Tesla Autopilot Hits a Deer (and I think it will happen again.)
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Human brains are "too excellent" at filtering out cognitive noise. This is a huge problem for Tesla's imperfect autopilot technology.
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Wow I'm not pro or against Tesla but you could have totally avoided this accident. The deer was visible from very far away and you had plenty of time to take action but yet you didn't slow down or reposition once. What would've happened if there was a pedestrian that didn't got picked up by Autopilot? You should reconsider your license because if you can't even avoid this, you are danger on the road in my opinion.
pin of shame :D
Disagree. Tesla puts out technology that is not ready for real-life usage and gets permission to do so. If this was an airplane, you wouldn't blame the pilots. All psychological factors MUST be taken into account by Tesla and the regulator before letting those cars out
Did you even watch the video? Let me guess, you skipped straight to the clip of her hitting the deer.
@@endless_universe2023 They literally tell you that you still need to observe the street and be ready to intervene.
@@endless_universe2023 Usually in airplane accidents, the pilots are the first suspects, because of "human error". Often pilots even have to go to jail, because software bug search and verifying takes a really longtime (usually even years to be completed).
«I love my Tesla» a sign of living in an abusive relationship with a multibillion dollar company.
It’s wild she talks about the psychology of habituation… but not about her own bias towards this company.
>Be me, deer
>walking in grass by the road
>worried about iPad having charging issues lately
>See car headlights
>Is that the nice iPad lady on youtube?
"Hey! My iPad is having charging issues, can you take a l---"
In some states fresh roadkill venison, reported in a timely fashion is donated to feed disabled veterans. Always report large ungulate roadkill ASAP.
Exactly. I had ran into a small herd of deer ( or they ran into me) and one was hit bad enough that it ended up in the ditch. I immediately reported it and when the authorities came they asked me if I wanted it and if not the6 had a list of people who would.
I love technology. With that said I don't think this feature should exist on a vehicle that is driven on public roads outside of a strict testing environment UNTIL it has been tested and validated as meeting a minimum safety standard (which doesn't yet exist) for self driving cars. I'm sure Tesla owners will disagree with my opinion on this but to me this is just as dangerous as being intoxicated behind the wheel. After a few drinks you may get most driving tasks right but the risk of getting them wrong goes way up. As correctly stated in the video this could have been sooo much worse if the victim had been a person.
I want my A I car to be tested like a vaccine....oops, I guess that is how they did it!
Yeah but you're not thinking like Musk:
By the time Tesla automotive is eventually killed by the competition, Tesla will be sitting pretty atop a treasure trove of valuable self-driving data and telemetry. That data alone will be worth billions to any other car maker or better yet, can be licensed to them for the same.
Yes, Tesla automotive will become a service and not a car maker, hence why their "cars" have had no real mechanical engineering advancement in nearly a decade. There's some other going ons aside but that is the one that has been the most obvious, to me at least.
Heck if it hits cops on the side of the road anything is possible. Did you call the highways dept there to pick up the dead deer? It is not true autopilot like in aircraft. It should never have been called Autopilot. It is assisted driving.
Aircraft autopilot is not an "automatic pilot." The autopilot will hold a heading. It will not "steer" along a winding road. It will hold a specific altitude or descend or ascend to a set altitude if so programmed by the pilot. Autothrottle, if available, can attempt to hold a set airspeed. It will not stop at traffic lights or brake for obstructions. If another aircraft appears in front of the plane the autopilot will maintain heading, altitude, and speed right into that aircraft. The human pilot must maintain the same scan of the gauges and the area surrounding the aircraft as if they were operating the controls themselves. And many a human pilot has made the same mistake of trusting in the autopilot as it flew the aircraft straight into the ground. .
Name should be "advanced cruse control" because as this and other accidents videos prove, there is very limited intelligence in the Autopilot.
aircraft autopilot is actually horrible. Aircraft autopilot has crashed many times, and killed thousands of people.
Thanks much for posting, I’ve been waiting for this. I can sense how hard for you this has been. You have turned it into a valuable lesson for all.
That was one of the most easily avoidable deer accidents
I think this is the point she is making. I would feel awful for the poor animal. Also Tesla Repairs are notorious for just writing off the entire car for a thrupenny bit spigot.
@@Drew-Dastardly can you explain the last 3 words, not native speaker so I dont know that modism
@@alenasenie6928 Hi Alen, native english speaker here. I have no idea what that means either !
@@grahamjoss4643 I believe he meant “threepenny” and was referring to the battery pack coolant fitting ordeal from one of Rich Rebuilds’ recent videos.
@@alenasenie6928 native speaker here, you'd have to be reasonably well read or old to understand those words. Thrupenny is older English shorthand for three penny (like tuppence is for two pence aka two pennies)
Bit is slang for a small thing (I think). I've only ever seen it used like "a two bit XYZ" meaning something only worth two bits. I feel like the commenter may have misused it by combining thrupenny with bit which is redundant but I could just be ignorant.
A spigot is a small tap or spout like thing, it's a technical term probably common in the mechanical or plumbing fields.
Probably Google what I just said to double check (I will be)
Update: a bit is a coin. So a thrupenny bit is a 3 pence coin.
Tldr he's saying they'll write the car off to avoid replacing even a small cheap part
Of course there was a "I love my Tesla" at the beginning. It's the mantra of the faithful.
Cult cult cult!
Do you have some way of getting access to the logs of the FSD computer ? It would be interesting to know if the computer completely missed the deer or if it just saw the deer and thought it wasn't a danger.
There's a mode in which you see what the car thinks it sees.
I saw a couple almost accidents in which the car clearly rendered a vehicle but didn't react to it at all.
A part of the problem is the feature's name itself. "Autopilot" suggests it's at a much higher level of autonomy than it actually is. On the vehicle autonomy scale, "autopilot" is only at level 2 out of 5 (0 is totally human controlled; 1-2 is driver assist and partial automation; 3-4 needs little human input; and 5 needs no human input). At level 2, the system still relies on the human for situational awareness.
I think level 2 is the most dangerous level (aside from 0), because it's capable enough that the driver is lulled into believing it is operating at a higher level than it actually is. Our mental filters go into effect and our reaction times (assuming we're even watching the road) go to hell so we can't even take over quickly enough when we need to.
I'm sorry you had to go through this. It's always rough on the soul after hitting an animal. Thank you for sharing it, though. It's important that the message be out there that "autopilot" really isn't as capable as people think it is.
Yeah, you have to consider also that they won't up it to 3 anytime soon because it is more a law thing than a capabilities thing,they can't sell a fully autonomous vehicle, so they dont have fully autonomous measures put into them even when it is already capable of it, even with this edge cases, every edge case is an extra data point for all the cars to learn, that is the magic of this technology, can you imagine how far we would be if every mistake one person does is used by everyone in the future to learn how to avoid that mistake?
In airplanes, nobody expects that autopilot lets the pilot and copilot get up and go to the cabin for a meal. You're supposed to be at the controls and ready to take over at any moment. But I welcome your petition to ICAO to force a name change to clear up any confusion.
Aircraft have had autopilot for years And no way could it take off, navigate and land by itself safely. It's a shorthand and most folk understand it has limitations.
@@mikem6549 Aviation autopilot can land just fine on its own -- pilots prefer to be in full control during landing, so that's a feature rarely used for commercial flights. Most of the navigation between stops is handled by autopilot these days. They can even avoid collisions automatically via the TCAS system (the planes communicate with each other and negotiate different altitudes well in advance). Auto takeoff has been tested successfully, but isn't allowed for commercial flights yet.
And just like folks have no idea what aircraft autopilot can and can't do, most of them don't have any idea of the limitations of Tesla's "autopilot" either. Unlike airplane pilots, drivers get no training in what the system can and can't do (a car dealer quickly rattling off features at you does not constitute training), nor do drivers get training in how to maintain alertness and awareness while the computer controls the vehicle, nor do drivers have the benefit of a copilot that they can share/delegate/trade alertness and awareness duties with to mitigate the effects of mental filters and fatigue.
Other car manufacturers have features to confirm the person behind the wheel is at least semi-aware -- for example, the car beeping at you if your hands leave the wheel for too long (the lane-keeping system on mine does that). Tesla's computer doesn't even confirm that a person is actually sitting in the driver's seat! (A fatal "autopilot" crash earlier this year had no one in the driver's seat.)
please google the definition of "autopilot"
Sorry about your accident, but thank you for bringing attention to the downfalls of relying on autopilot. I was unfortunate to have a similar incident with a feral hog. I was treating myself to a snack as I traveled the last few miles to my house on a similar roadway. Because it was 1 am, I was driving in the center of the empty highway and under speed as a precaution, however nothing could prevent contact with the suicidal pig who bolted from the dark brush and stuck his head under my front tire.
a relative of mine was showing off his tesla to me uncle and summoned the car to him when they was only a few feet away from it uncle on door side relative in front, he summons it and it failed to see my uncle and run over his toes and when the relative came closer to see what happened the telsa then detected them and would not move off uncles toes cos it was not clear..... AI i feel is still not ready
Jeez. That must have been crazy
I like gas stations, I like getting to choose which company to buy my energy from, and not being forced to buy from the one attached to my house.
I just do not understand right to repair advocates such as yourself and Louis Rossman loving Tesla? They are just as bad as Apple if not worse when it comes to right to repair.
3:37 “ I didn’t see or react to the deer”. Seems to me this statement of admission could or may be used as a means to prove driver inattention. Might want to edit that part out.
It's too late once it's on the internet and why editing it out if it's a fact that she didn't see the deer?
Is the deer going to fucking sue her. Stfu
@@msegelquist The deer's family is going to.
The explanation about habituation is why I wont buy an automatic car. I really believe until every car is self drive everyone needs to be as switched on as possible.
Should've field dressed it and taken it home ... That's good eatin...
One time I hit a deer on a semi, I pulled over and saw the Deers family waiting for their buddy :( felt pretty guilty, but I saved a piece of the antler to remember him
Also very illegal
@@LooselyRigorous What law ?
@@LooselyRigorous most likely not illegal in dear infested places
Plot twist: The autopilot wasn't even on, jessa just hates deer
Car did not react . But you also does not react. Poor deer died of technology and human fault.
More awareness should have saved his life.
I think that was her point. Both human error and technological errors played a role here. And frankly, Tesla should call it “driver assist,” not “autopilot.”
this is why seeing people driving with autopilot on scares me, I know they can't be paying 100% attention to the road and their surroundings. I always give them a few car lengths and a lane or two when I can, and as this tech trickles down to cheaper cars, it will probably start happening more often. hopefully it's a case of it's bad before it gets better
The thing is, it shouldn't need to be perfect, it only should be better than humans, and it is very close, for every story per kilometer there are many more for regular cars killing something, so it is better than humans, it does decrease accidents by a lot, you dont expect humans to be perfect drivers before having a license but you expect automated cars to be perfect? There is always going to be an outlier, an edge case, that a human would have done better, but in the day to day, were most accidents happen, there is no comparison, the automated cars are already at least as good as ourselves.
By the way, people themselves tend to drive in automatic mode, they dont pay attention to the road and a car with just the cameras pays way more attention, it doesn't blink, it doesn't get tired, and I think it made that choice with the data it had, the probability of a car that was not present in the sensors appearing, under those circumstances in many laws the car has to keep driving even if it kills the animal, in fact, even if it is a human.
Do people with kids in the car or engrossed listening to some podcast have 100% attention on the road ?. If you have 100% attention you should be in the car alone, with the radio off and only thinking about the act of driving, anything else you don’t have 100% attention on driving 🤷
You're teaching a very important lesson here Jessa.
This video must be shared as much as possible.
That was your fault you should have seen that a mile off. A good workman does not blame his tools. You're hands and EYES need to be focused on driving. Can't blame the car for your lack of attention.
I wish the deer near me would wear reflective harnesses and have traffic sense. Alas, nobody gets a mile's notice.
Why would your hands and eyes be on driving when the car is doing the driving ?. You’re essentially a glorified passenger. As technology moves on you will eventually be the passenger.
But that was her whole point, she was paying attention, at least the amount her brain permitted. Did you not watch the part about habituation?
nonono youre HOLDING it wrong...
You know what? I don't care. AP saved my life because it saw a speeding audi that overtook on the wrong lane with a 80+ kph speed difference. It's not perfect. It's in many cases really stupid.
It is however much, MUCH better than the AP on an airplane. I have yet to see people demand that Boeing or Airbus rename their Autopilot to something else.
Now as for "Full Self Driving"? That's something else. I think Elon seriously underestimates the complexity and corner cases. But time will tell.
@420KinK This. What I do think Elon is guilty of is the whole expectation due to the "FSD" name. He said it's weeks off and now years later we're still not there. It's getting better though, and without pushing boundaries you're not gonna move ahead.
It's not just that the autopilot should be better, it's that you should know better than to rely on technology that's not 100%.
Why are you relying on technology to drive your car when it's not that hard to drive?????
Why do pilots rely on autopilot to fly instead of manually flying the plane ?
A meanwhile solution fo this problem is in my opinion: to use the autopilot differently. The autopilot, at this point (as long as its not perfect, as you said it correct) should be only another ''safety level'' ... that means: the autopilot should not drive - but instead : take control in situations where an accident gets unavoidable by human reaction speeds IF the autopilot doesnt take control. In that sense i also saw video footage where Tesla avoided accidents in split seconds which were just not avoidable by human reaction speeds.
So - as long the autopilot isnt perfect - this kind of usage of autopilot should be :
The human drives , and the autopilot just takes control in clearly specified situation were an accident gets unavoidable by humans, but can saved by the autopilot. Thats how it should be, i think.
Personally I would not have waited, I would have taken control and braked early on my own. As good as teslas are in moving forward with advancing cars abilities it simply is ahead of itself and waiting for tech to catch up. Elon made the mistake of going all camera, should still have thermal in the front to collaborate with the camera.
That really is a brilliant idea with the thermal camera. That would work much better than the cameras they now use.
Kinda missing the point. She didn't "wait". She made a point to emphasize how the brain loses focus in that scenario and how if others were reliant, it would happen to them too. It's easy to say you'd break early, but you'd have to not be engaging autopilot to be fully attentive.
@@sdelyoushay I got the point. My point was clear that I wouldn't have waited. I understand the emphasis on brain focus issues, and my point is that I strive to maintain focus beyond the average, and is why I do the things that I do and get paid the money for doing it.
The issue with thermal cameras is how the camera tells between reflected heat off buildings etc and real things. Anyone that has used a thermal camera knows about the fake hotspots on the tops of glass ics that reflect heat from somewhere else.
@@tastytechaddictsmtb I understand, had my time with thermals in the army. But a thermal working together with onboard frontal camera will do better than either one by themselves.
"What if this had been a runner? What if this had been someone's dog? What if it had been a child?" No offense, but what if you were paying attention and didn't outsource your driving to Silicon Valley? Can't take your concern too seriously if you were using that deer to test the effectiveness of your autopilot, which is what you seemed to be doing.
I live in Indiana and if you know anything about deer running out in front of you they tell you not to swerve or brake but to speed up and hit it. So if what you say is true the tesla did exactly what they tell people to do if a deer runs out.
Tesla fans: Tesla autopilot is better than human drivers
Tesla cars: Hits a slow moving deer that you could see a mile away.
Asking perfection of anything is a fools errand. That said I hate auto pilot anyway because I do not trust it.
Thanks so much for sharing this, Jessa. I can't believe more people haven't viewed this video and learned something from your experience. I'm a long distance truck driver who carries dangerous goods, and I have to deal with animals constantly crossing the road, while trying to manage a 53 metre road train grossing 170 metric tonnes. There is no room for complacency with four trailers that sway at the flinch of the steering wheel and could roll over easily. I've been able to maintain alertness with a fully manual prime mover that has never let me down since I started driving road trains in the early 2000s. I hope this system is refined to perfection better than humans before it's implemented into heavy transport. There's no margin for error.
I would have loved to see the Tesla’s screen right before hitting the deer, did it show anything off to the side of the roadway?
I think Tesla should use Thermal/Infrared cams to detect these kinds of situations. Visible information alone is great, but even humans have difficulty processing objects during the darkness of night despite the headlights shining on the animal. I mean if it was daytime, we (and the camera) would have seen it much earlier, but since it was night, things get delayed to the last few milliseconds since it needs the headlights to bring it into focus. Thermal is the key to this puzzle IMO.
I'm sorry you had to experience this. I appreciate your analytical thinking to show how easily it can happen and I hope it brings you some comfort. It would have left me quite shaken as well. Sending virtual hug.
Yes me too Tesla should be at fault for this…she’s right auto pilot shouldn’t be an option unless it is perfect. And is clearly not perfect. And for all the people saying her license should be taken. Need to also think. If I had a Tesla (in auto mode) would I take my eyes off the road even for a second??
It would be interesting to see the accident report from the Tesla logs would show what was going on. If it deemed the driver safety greater than the possibility of injury from an abrupt stop.
@420KinK That's not the question. The question is what did autopilot process, and what is the possibility that the autopilot considered going trough a deer a safer choice than to be breaking
great video, super useful, but i really dont think there was a need to show the dead deer...
Jessa, Thanks for the post. It is interesting. Maybe, with the turn, the camera saw it as a stationary object on the side of the road. Instead of freezing at the sight of headlights, it started to run at the last second. I have seen a Tesla stopping for small objects, this size of a deer, in the middle of the road. I don't know if radar could have prevented this accident. This could have happened to any driver and it happens to semi drivers all the time at night. The Tesla continuously records allowing people to easily upload. Thanks for the upload. Hopefully, they can fix this problem with an update. Animal lovers will not like this post, for sure. Take care.
If that had been a child or even and adult I would expect you to go to prison for negligent manslaughter or whatever equivalent laws they have in your area, so why take the risk?
Presumably the AI has been more trained to detect humans than animals yet.
@@tophan5146 You really think the AI is THAT good it can tell the difference? I kind of doubt it.
Of course it is that good.
@@tophan5146 Because Elon said so?
@@stusue9733 Modern AI can detect emotions from human face. Of course it can distinct a basic human shape.
Incoming Tesla fanboys to tell you what you done wrong and how Tesla is amazing.
Exactly!
Fanboy Sample A: “It’s beta, you still have to keep your hands on the wheel. It’s quasi-manual/autopilot”.
Fanboy Sample B: It’s a perfect system and the driver did nothing wrong. It just didn’t have time to react. They will fix it in the near future.
"NONO YOU SEE IT DETECTED IT AND INTENTIONALLY RAN IT OVER!!!"
xD
What was the damage to the Tesla? Also, what's the law in NY on accidental roadkill? Venison is good food.
Roadkill is the worst. They're so busted up inside it's not worth it. Trust me.
@mowgli2071 Last couple deer I hit (Dark country roads. Deer strikes are a thing...), I tied them across the trunk lid & swung by the nearest police station to report the kill. Then butchered one for myself. (Dropped the other off to be butchered for the foodbank as I had no use for it myself.)
Holy shit libertarians
Seriously this happens to me sometimes when I'm driving myself, my head goes into autopilot, capable of missing some information...
im curious as to *why* the car didnt stop or slow down. is there data as to what the computer was seeing (not the camera)?
Yeah, the detection, classification and prediction data would be interesting to see.
i have my own autopilot. It's called the cerebellum.
She's allowed to love her car and have an accident, the two aren't mutually exclusive. The technology was a contributing factor, but she shows personal accountability by opening the video with "I had an accident", then closes with remorseful flowers. Hindsight is 20/20; the best we can do is learn something from our experiences.
this experience shows exactly why it's insane to give control to autopilot on cars; totally avoidable kill for a human driver, absolutely homicidal for a computer, didn't slow down for a sec, just ran over the poor deer like nothing; besides legal consequences, if it was a human killed like that, the guilty feeling would consume her for the rest of her life
Geez what if it was a child, boulder or debris falling from a truck, this is a massive failure.
That isn't the only way this kind of accident is going to happen. All the "mistakes" that drivers make that really ARE "no fault" are going to happen WITH this technology. Case in point: I was coming home from work. It was daylight. I had just come off of a stop light, so wasn't even going 30mph. I was in a mildly wooded area. A deer jumped from a slight slope on the right side of my car just as I was passing. It hit the left front fender and put a pretty good dent in it. I didn't see the deer anywhere, so I don't know what happened to it. I saw the EXACT SAME ACCIDENT happen at 40mph on my way to work the next morning. The guy in front of me was just cruising along and a deer jumped from the woods, hit his left front bumper, and careened off into a driving range we were passing. The deer got up and walked away. In both of those cases, the Tesla wouldn't have been able to stop any more than it stopped here. While it likely SHOULD have made some effort, it likely didn't detect the obstacle in time. And while YOU might have been able to see it, I believe most of this type of technology will lead to more accidents like this because it will be easier and easier to "let the computer do it."
Unless you are going to add some sensors to the vehicle that gives it some kind of heat vision for wooded areas, it will be very difficult for it to do better. Especially with a limited resolution camera. I don't even know if its equipped with infrared and ultrasonic obstacle detectors and if it has them (I'm sure it has something, maybe expensive LIDAR detectors) how well they even work. It is an incredibly complicated system. The fact that it works as well as it does likely contributes to your sense of "let the computer do it" that you mention is termed "habituation". But, that was always the main reason I was against this kind of technology. I don't think it will ever work as well as a human even does (as flawed as that obviously is). And when the car doesn't stop for a jogger, or baby stroller that it just doesn't see, what's going to happen after that?
It’s easy to stop it happening again ⬇️
Turn it off and never use it again! The car doesn’t care, the computer system doesn’t care!
It’s You that has to live with the consequences , weather it be an animal or a group of Girl Scouts selling cookies
The only difference between the animals and the children? You don’t have to explain what happened to the animals families?
Tesla had no fucks to give for that deer
Just wait till the Apple car becomes a thing.
It will be wrecking pear trees.
tesla is the apple of cars
Interesting and I appreciate you talked about this. I hope you make a follow up video regarding whether you'll change your habits somehow.
I would be totally shaken, just like you said, what if it was a human. I can't even afford a Tesla, but if I could and have AP/FSD for free, I would not use it for regular driving, because I know I would become complacent very easily.
Autopilot should be made illegal, the driver needs to be control at a times.
lol drivers being in control at all times, that would be a nice world.
Not that I disagree about this beta test needing to end..... but, given the amount of drivers I see on their phones wondering all over the road I'm not so sure. Sure self drive sucks in the sense of "not being perfect", but is worse than your average driver?
@@stusue9733 any normal driver would have seen that deer easily and stopped way before hitting it.
@@MrPlytiger So you are saying a normal driver never hit a deer?
I think you may mean "any driver paying attention would have seen that deer easily and stopped way before hitting it."
I'm not saying FSD is perfect, far from it, it would appear to be a steaming pile. But given the effort most people put into driving I'm not sure its that bad in comparison. Which one is easier to fix? lol
That is a fantastic explanation of just how far we have to go if autonomous vehicles are going to become mainstream. Love your work, Jessa.
Hard to say what would happen, here in Texas out in the hill country we have lots of deer. In the 40 years that I lived here I have hit a few. From time to time we have young people that have tried to avoid a raccoon and then hit a tree, we just don't know what the outcome would be.
The young deer never learned to estimate the distance to headlights at night. Never will. You need to drive way below the speed limit to be able to break and avoid deer collisions but then will anger people behind you for slow driving speeds and endangering people behind you when performing emergency stop.
Autopilot is not FSD. FSD has not been released, it's only bèta with a select group of beta testers.
You can't blame Autopilot for this, it's not made to replace the driver, it's made to assist the driver.
If you hit something while on Autopilot it's 100% your fault (or the object you hit, if it can not be avoided), you didn't pay attention.
FSD is made to replace the driver (in the future) but that takes time and effort, a lot of effort.
AP is supposed to stop for moving objects in front of the car.
@@JessaJones I've seen no claims it can do that. Maybe if it sees a moose.
No wonder, we haven’t seen you here in a while, Jessa. Take care, and R.I.p deer. Hope its off to a better place.
Well, I mean, it's in a ditch and not on the road. So, technically, I'd say it is in a better place. Although it could be served on a plate as venison, which I think is probably the best place. Looks as though it won't quite make it there.
It is unforgivable that there was not the slightest tap on the brakes from the AEB. Telsa engineers should be ashamed.
Lane keeping and other aids have made drivers horrible. Road tripping with a tesla owner in a rented jeep. They got behind the wheel and immediately ran off the road, lane keeping wasn't there. They left the car running and walked away when arriving at the destination. This goes deeper than FSD.
Who turned off the high beams?
I thought it might have done the correct thing in not swerving, but after seeing the video it should have slowed and tried to avoid like we are taught. Plus it has heat vision and should be able to detect something so close to the road. Did it brake after impact or did you step on the brakes?
Heat detection is so obvious. A moving heat signature (human/animal) should do something.
Does the Tesla have thermal imaging, though?
From the looks of it, it has cameras with only two primary colours in their filter array (not RGB). And maybe there is no IR/UV blocking filter, either.
The problem here was not so much detection as anticipation. The deer stood still well outside the car's path until the car was a little too close to stop before it. Then it walked in front of the car. Deer can do that. Human drivers tend to anticipate that, and slow down, just in case.
However, Louis Rossmann pointed out that Teslas actually *do* get "spooked" by things on or near the road, quite often. Annoyingly so. It would be interesting to see a summary of all obstacle and danger detection and classification. With numbers of evasions and collisions. And stats for animal encounters in particular.
Glad your okay and glad it wasn't a child running after a ball or something.
The fact it didn't break means the noise didn't dip down sending the deer through the windshield.
How bad is the car anyways? Just some cracked plastic?
Just don't use that crap Jessa. No way you can put your life in that beta testing equipment.
The EV lack of noise is probably more at fault than Tesla autopilot.
Wheel noise dominates above 20-30 mph, so I doubt it.
@@hermanrobak1285 only time you'll hear wheel noise far enough in the distance is when an 18 wheeler hits the rumble strip to get back into the lane. "Loud pipes save lives" 👍
Technically this was your fault. If this was a person that was killed, you'd be held responsible. That said, the failure of a technology that can put a person in such a position of trust would be a contributing factor, at the very least.
It's pretty obvious you weren't paying attention to your level 2 autonomous system. Your fault. Sounds like you don't really want to take responsibility for it though. It's an evolving beta program, in which you don't even have the latest version of. My autopilot FSD has gotten significantly better over the years, but any accidents along the way would have been my fault. Just like this accident is YOUR fault. Don't worry, Tesla will definitely let you know when they are ready to assume liability. Until then, fix your car and pay attention when you are driving it.
Me thinks you may have missed the point.
@@stusue9733 What is the point O great oracle? Criticizing a product in the middle of development lol.
@@ultrastoat3298 Well if you are going to do said development on a public road.... yeah
@@stusue9733 Ok, where is your criticism over very other TACC system with lane keep out there provided by legacy auto?
@@ultrastoat3298 Show me a video of legacy auto AEB taking out a "clearly visible" deer and I will gladly criticize it. But again that is missing the point. Science seems to say the human brain isn't good at monitoring automatic systems(at least to the level required to take over with 0 warning time). It seems you don't like that. It seems you believe that doesn't apply to you.
That deer accident was entirely avoidable. The autopilot does not absolve you of your responsibility as the driver. You are driving the vehicle at all times, not the autopilot. It's called a 'driver-assistance system' for a reason. If you have an accident, it is your fault, because you either didn't make yourself aware of the limitations of the system, or you deliberately used it irresponsibly. I'm all for blaming Tesla, in my opinion their marketing of the FSD capability is nothing short of criminal and it is high time that this is regulated much more strongly. But the final responsibility for any accidents lies with you and nobody else.
yea she's an idiot no offense... she spent way too much on this video trying to justify her killing a deer, when this is straight user operator issue... she's a KAREN trying to justify her wrong doing
Well you’re clearly in the wrong here. Tesla auto pilot is in beta and you should know it’s not going to be perfect and you still need to oversee the car as it drives you.
What happened here is you’ve allowed the car to plow into a deer that was visible from more than enough distance away that you could have easily avoided this accident. Its YOUR fault. Not the cars or the deers.
If it was a pedestrian YOU hit then you’d be in big trouble.
Shame on you for making out like because the car didn’t do anything to avoid the accident when it’s you that has to take control instead of being on your phone or whatever. Pay attention!
Stan
jessa i know how you're feeling. watching this and listening to you brought it all back. it's a lousy feeling to be carrying around.
My family has owned/owns 5 Teslas with EAP, FSD, and Base AP. I agree it's very easy for habituation to occur. One way to think of it is you're the instructor pilot that is hovering over the controls, ready to take over if your student pilot fucks up. That way of thinking has helped me a lot to not zone off. When used properly, it allows you to be more aware of vehicles in your surroundings and overall drive more safely
What I wonder about this is, if the driver is truly 100% on top of the system at all times, ready to take over with 0 notice, they have all the normal driving stuff to deal with + on top of that constantly checking "is it doing what I would be doing?, do I need to take over yet? yet? yet?" .. at what point does it become easier to drive yourself and have the safety systems monitor you and act when you fail to act? i.e. I'd rather drive myself than supervise a learner driver.
@@stusue9733 I definitely feel safer with autopilot on. I think of it as 2 sets of eyes on the road which is better than 1. The autopilot is doing most of the work keeping you in your lane and keeping enough distance from the car in front, allowing you to be more aware of your surroundings. Even off autopilot, the car will steer away if you're going to hit something. Like if you are changing into the same lane as another driver.
It's also statistically safer, less accidents happen on autopilot with the same distance driven. However, that statistic is not representative of autopilot as a whole because I feel like most drivers wouldn't turn on autopilot in areas where they think autopilot would have trouble performing well.
BUT if you have to be on full alert in instructor mode... then what is the whole f point of the FSD? Absolutely no point. In fact, you are in a worse situation that requires more effort than not having it at all!!!! Maybe it does make you a better driver but I don't think most people are expecting to have to become a driving instructor when they are paying for FSD. It is certainly not something you would even contemplate as the development of a 'driverless car'.
you probably had the dinner hunting mode engaged, classic easter egg
I get your point about the car not braking and it could have been avoided and what not but. if you were paying attention to the road. like your supposed to be. you would have avoided the accident yourself. stop trying to blame the car. it's like a pilot trying to blame a plane crashing into a mountain on a clear day just because he had autopilot turned on. put your phone down and pay attention to the road. the car would have not seen it as a hazard until it crossed the white line even then it only crossed the white line half a second before impact. that's how the cars work they scan the road lines and any object in between the road lines. it simply does not care about objects on the side of the roads otherwise they would be braking and swerving away from objects all the time causing even more of a hazard.
@timemachine_194 the hell are you talking about. You can use auto pilot but atleast pay attention to your surroundings and avoid objects on the road. Again it's the same with a pilots auto pilot. Do you think both the pilot and the co pilot just stop paying attention to what's in front of them? No! One goes on break while the other PAYS ATTENTION.
Where is the proof of:
1. you were on Autopilot?
2. Autopilot actually saw and noticed the deer?
She loves her Tesla, she wouldn't just lie about being on Autopilot. Regarding Autopilot seeing the dear, I think she means the deer being captured in the video. However if she is able to ask Tesla for the FSD visualisations of this night then we can see what the FSD "saw" the deer as.
@@evthink sure. It has happened before that Tesla lovers blame the car for insurance reasons.
Thank you so much. I'm an "ret" tech who worked on a pipeline and was a mechanic. My wife gets mad a me for telling our kiddos that "there's no such thing as an accident". Like the conditioning you explained so well, people tend to become conditioned to what should be. I'm a firm believer of "murphy's law" and try my best to keep alert. Is it tiring, yeah, but it's made me a retired tech. Aloha
I would have to agree.
An "accident" is a failure somewhere. You just have to dig till you identify them.
Failure to plan properly
Failure to follow the plan
Failure to train
Etc etc
There was an incident where I work awhile back, and while I thought the staff was mostly at fault, the root cause still led back to administration.
Lack of planning, providing proper equipment, and lack of proving competency.
Luckily there were no serious injuries. The staff was reprimanded, but I made it clear it wasn't negligence on their part, albeit I feel stupidity played a role, but root cause was an administrative failure.
I hope my insurance company is not paying for negligent or irresponsible drivers! ☺️
ummmm of course it is. Otherwise they would get to keep all the cash.
It's the deer's fault. Oh well.
Title makes it sound like the autopilot drove out to hit a dear. Dear runs in front of car on autopilot and gets hit. Happens everyday with human driving.. you need more accidents on autopilot to wire your brain to pay more attention.
@@devilselbow there was a human driver lol she just trusted a beta system
@@devilselbow they are all beta don’t believe the hype none of this stuff is ready we are just being used as always
The mistake was buying this dumb car
This is pretty sad.
What did the car look like afterwards???
I find it astonishing that insurance companies will cover vehicles that are fitted with this feature. I would not personally want to use it. If you were in full control the video shows that you had plenty of time to see the deer and stop. Here in the UK I think this would be classed as either dangerous driving or wreckless driving - both are serious offences - if the car collided with a human regardless of whether the tesla did not perform as 'expected'.
Here in the U.K. they’re also trialing fully autonomous self driving cars. Then the onus will be on the car itself.
Perhaps someday self driving will be competent enough that the manufacturers will put their money where their mouth is and accept liability. Otherwise, expecting customers to actually be attentive enough to override and second guess every decision the car makes feels like it would be more stressful than actually driving myself.
There will never be a tesla or any electric car on my drive way. I drive Electric tuc tucs with solarpanels on the roof the only digital stuff is the speedometer radio and USB for media but it got sucky speakers so I don´t use it.
I hate to be the one to tell you this but people whom put their faith in computers to do things we should be doing because of ever changing situations are borderline fools. When driving we are presented with ever changing situations some we simply can't predict and then we turn around and put that control in the hands of a programmer. Sure driving requires a lot of concentration and even more so the better one gets at it as I, for one, can predict things up to two cars in front of me and several cars behind me. I do this by experience and yes it does take a lot of concentration and I am tired when going on long trips when I reach my destination. I don't put my faith in things I know a computer can't predict as no one knows everything. I've hit a dear, but in reality the dear hit me as I did come to a complete stop as I predicted the dear was going to make a run for it and the dear was unable to stop and slammed into me. It got up after almost totally the car with a look on it's face as if to say I'm sorry and walked off. In the end we both lived as I was driving the car and keep very aware of my surroundings and predicted what the dear was going to do before it did it a computer simply can't do that.
We must stop being lazy and do things that put our lives and the lives of others in danger into the hands of machines that can't possibly predict the situation as we can do when we are paying attention.
My point was that…we can’t. Our brains will not allow us to simply choose to “pay attention” any more than you can instruct your brain to “pay attention” to the feeling of your ass on the chair for more than a minute or two.
Can you say when driving you’re 100% focused on driving at all times ?. E.g kids in the car, the music, thinking of non driving related things. All of these things are distractions. Driving aids have saved more people from accidents than they have caused.
good thing is was only a deer and not a deere
If only they had microvision automotive lidar equipped
I found a compilations video channel of Tesla cams, and the 4th story in "TESLA AUTOPILOT VS IDIOTS IN CARS - 15 CRASHES, FAILS & SAVES | TESLACAM STORIES #72" shows the car missing entirely the deer that crossed in front, with way much time to react!! Cheers from Portugal
I've been warning in youtube videos comment section about this same thing.
Too many people scaffolded against me.
Thank you for making a video about this problem!
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There's a deer on the highway, he was knocked down, on the highway Bambi
He was hit on the main street, he left bloodstains on the concrete
He was pulled by the front wheel, he was struck down, he was roadkill
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You've been hit by--
You've been struck by--
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Careful what you wish for. Avoiding something in the road has killed as many of those trying to avoid as those that do. Infared alarm systems is something that we have the technology for to alert a driver and prepare a vehicle to avoid. Yes. We should do better.
I think even today it is too much to expect AP to deal with something like that. I recently dealt with 2 deer on the opposite sides of the road. I saw them first and started braking. AP was disengaged but the ADAS systems did try to assist once the deer was close enough for it to react. I think if you expect the car to be able to solve a problem like this you will be complaining about more phantom braking as a result.
Or, hear me out…….. just drive the damn car yourself like we’re supposed to! What if that had been someone’s kid due to our laziness to drive? I’m not against Tesla but 100% against having our car drive for us.
Autopilot is not FSD, Full Self-Driving. It is intended primarily for freeways, though it will work on well marked highways. However, it is NOT intended to consider every possible event. FSD is working on that, but is $10,000 extra, and since it is still in beta is not expected to be anywhere close to perfection.
Just had an accident in my Tesla Model 3. I ran over a deer that had been hit by a truck. It was still alive kicking. It was right on the middle of the fast land on I-70 West. Unfortunately, I didn't see the deer on time to change lanes and had no option but drive through it. My autopilot was on, but it didn't see the deer either. The bottom of my Tesla was damaged, but not the front or grill in front (quite surprising). The car behind me which ran over the deer after I did got badly damaged. Anyway, I couldn't drive my Tesla home. Lesson, you need to be quite alert with the autopilot on.
Ignoring driver response, Tesla not-quite-FSD should have slowed down or, given no oncoming or following traffic, could have swerved - as in famous "moose test". Somebody at Tesla should be fired for allowing this woefully incapable software on the streets. Uncle Sam should crack down, too.
I have heard what you have to say on this. Now, if the deer had been a person, first thing that would occur would be a police investigation. They would say that you had time to react. As in, you saw the deer moving to the road at a point in time where you could have stopped if required. (Australian law understanding)
As the driver of the vehicle, you are required to do everything in your power to prevent an accident, even if its not your fault. If they find that your brakes weren't good and this caused the accident, you are at fault. If you aren't paying attention, this is also your fault. What we really have here is a dependence issue, you are depending on technology too much to avoid an accident, and you are doing this clearly knowing that the technology has issues, they even warn you. So, you are aware of this.
I have said this before and I will say this again, this technology the way it is currently designed is not good for safety. We already have an over dependence on mirrors and a lack of head checking as a result, which does result in many change of lane accidents. We can't even trust drivers with this, then you have rear vision displays, and drivers again, aren't doing head checks. My wife literally will drive over fucking anything as a result, one time she slammed into the letterbox, how is that even possible?
A real adult needs to take full accountability of their actions and not rely on some stupid fancy tech that some electric jesus told them to use. He hasn't any real world experience in the automotive industry, he fails to understand the safety risks, and you will be taking the brunt of this should anything go wrong.
Smart braking technology like in Audi, where you never know its there until one day a car in front slams on the brakes and it prevents you from hitting them. But this bullshit of having lidars around your car and cameras and all that nonsense. Look, your wasting your time, you are the driver, drive your car and stop being bloody lazy.
How did the car look afterward ?
Autopilot, FSD, whatever Tesla wants to call it sucks and anyone who actually paid for it should get a full refund. Paying to beta test this death trap is ridiculous. In fact if you gave it a moment's thought you should come to the realization that Tesla actually should be paying the owners for access to all their driving data since their ML algo's are totally dependent on it. Meanwhile Teslas are just regular cars with a fancy ipad on the dash, not sure what the hype is all about.
Which version of autopilot? If it's not 10.x it is like using a 2013 iphone.
Looks exactly like that AZ fatality a year+ ago, except that time it was a lady on her bike, and the Tesla did not brake, slow down, or take evasive maneuver. Looks like they haven't figure out the problem.
That was an Uber.
@420KinK it litterally was Teslas fault but ok keep blindly following the con artist known as Elon musk