They sold it for over 100k because they knew the Tesla fanboys would pay anything regardless of common sense. This should be no surprise to anyone. Good video though
What you describe about waiting 1-2 years for the price to drop is EXACTLY what Tesla wants you to do. At the beginning of production they can’t make that many so production costs are high but demand is high so they can charge whatever they want. Eventually, production increases, economy of scale takes over, margins improve, demand slows, so price drops. Moral is if you want to be the first to own a new Tesla model, be prepared to stomach insane depreciation because they price cars based purely on supply and demand.
Exactly. You pay your money, you take your choice. The car was obviously worth it to him at the time he bought it. Tesla don't promise to maintain prices artificially high if their production costs drop. This whole video reeks of entitlement.
@@jonathanridder The cost of the model S had dropped precovid. During covid however Tesla jacked up their prices because they could. The other manufacturers experienced it too but it was the dealerships that were adding the ridiculous ADMs to prices, the car companies besides didn't start jacking up prices till the end of covid during peak inflation. Now that interest rates have gone up and demand has dropped, Tesla is dropping prices to avoid idling their plants.
exactly what i was thinking too. tires wear like that due to camber. i worked at a tire shop and that wear pattern is a dead giveaway. this guys a retard
Seriously! Guy shows a setup with obviously the wrong wheels and tires, can't fit a toothpick between the edge of the tire and the fender, and wonders why it eats tires!
I had to replace the OEM 21 inch tires every 5k miles as well. I downgraded to the 19 inch rims and tires and the inner tire wear problem gone. The 19 inch tires now last more than 20k miles. Unlike the previous 21 inch wheels, which were a staggered configuration, the new 19 inch tires are square configuration so I can rotate them and make them last even longer.
to be honest anything above 17-18 inches on a car is purely for cosmetics and has no benefits in performance, usability, comfort, range and durability at all
Liked and responding because this comment needs to be higher up. Amateur with an amateur video vying for clicks. This dope fooled me into clicking too, but the top comments show this guy for what he is.
Also, my philosophy is never buy a new car no matter the company… I should clarify… the amount of depreciation would be similar to a used one (of course there are exceptions). I am not saying everyone should buy a used car instead of new, all I am saying is that in my experience, buy a used car (if the odometer is less than 90,000 miles) can save lots of money… but whatever you do, make sure the used or new car isn’t a lemon
Surprised a knowledgeable car guy didn’t realize he bought at the highest dealer markup era in modern history due to the supply issues at the time … all the dealerships from every car maker were jacking up their prices… now they can’t give them away
Anyone who bought a new car after the first half of the pandemic made the same mistake. The car my parents bought depreciated by 10,000 euros in one year just at the sale price after the pandemic. On top of that, it has more technical problems than an old car. And it's obvious that you're going to get a bad price at the buyback, they have to make a profit again when they re-sell the car you used
What are you talking about. Toyota is still jacking up prices used couple year old toyotas are higher than MSRP in dealerships. because dealers are still saying F you if you don't want our car for this insane price someone else with more money than brains will come buy it.
I've bought and sold my share of cars for over fifty years, and the one thing I've learned is never rush into any "new" innovative auto design offering especially with the EV craze where we are just beginning to uncover all the cadavers lurking within that system.
You smart 👏 unlike some whining little spoiled girls complaining because they couldn't wait for the prices to go down like they always do. Whaa..whaa.. 😂 he's probably single or has a prostitute for a partner because nobody could possibly stand being around this person for two minutes. Ugh! Someone please tell the little girl to shut their trap.
A lot of “regular” cars had huge markups in 2021. Now, they are discounted below msrp. How is that any different than Tesla? You can’t negotiate Tesla prices, so their online prices have fluctuate with market demand. How is that hard to understand? Everything was inflated in 2021, Tesla vehicles were no different.
There is certainly a reason. I bought a brand new (zero miles) 2023 Tesla Model Y and I totally regret it. I have not driven it much. So far I have put only 1000 miles on it (ten months later). Now, suddenly my card key and phone key went out (failed) and I can’t open my car. I understand that electrical failure can occur in any electrical vehicle, but if it’s raining really hard, which it was, one should at least be able to open their car and get into their car while they are waiting for the tow truck, having a comfortable spot to BE IN to think about what to do in this kind of EMERGENCY. Opening a car and getting into a car is such a basic feature and Tesla has made this basic feature impossible even under basic minor electrical failure. The point is that I should not be having these kind of problems with a brand new car this early and so early into the new ownership of a brand new car. I also suspect Tesla is deliberately sending these kind of failures over the WIFI air connection as a means to keep owners consistently paying for these silly needless unnecessary repairs, thus a deceitful scheme of unnecessary dependency and consumerism of unnecessary needless car repairs upon customers. If you’re planning to live in your car, don’t do it with a Tesla. Buy yourself an internal combustible engine car or van instead and will be much more reliable. What I hate about Tesla is that their vehicles are controlled solely by software and WIFI. The problem with this is if your software and/or WIFI fails or malfunction, then you will not be able to open your windows or doors, and can’t even open your car. Tesla should install backup manual door locks and back up manual window openings in case the software, or electrical system, or WIFI fails. Being able to get inside your car, during basic minor car failure, is a basic feature that we all need. What if I need to get my wallet and my driver’s license that was left inside my Tesla??? I won’t be able to access any important belongings left inside my Tesla because Tesla vehicles can’t offer a basic feature as opening your car regardless of any kind of electrical failure. Being able to access (open your car) regardless of any kind of basic minor vehicle failure, is a basic feature in all internal combustible engine vehicles. This basic feature (being able to open your car) in Tesla vehicles, on the other hand, is not a given basic feature and impossible even under basic minor electrical failures. I see the writing on the wall and it’s ugly. Tesla is imposing too much control on their vehicles, and seem to be pushing some deliberate electrical and software failures over the air, with the purpose of keeping Tesla car owners dependent on needless unnecessary car repairs, thus a deceitful scheme of dependency and consumerism of unnecessary needless car repair expenses. Don’t buy a Tesla. Don’t fall for the trap. The original concept of electric vehicles was never luxury, but rather that of economy and avoiding or minimizing car failure and avoiding expensive car repairs and avoiding dependency of expensive car maintenance and expensive car repairs, oil changes, smog checks, unreasonable fuel prices, etc. Unfortunately, it seems that Tesla has complied to the undercover Illuminati Masonic government and has deliberately corrupted the electric vehicle concept into a world order of needless and unnecessary dependency and consumerism. Electric vehicles should be cheaper in price cost than internal combustible engine vehicles because it is commonly known that it is a lot cheaper to manufacture an electric vehicle because electric vehicles require less parts and less labor to manufacture, but the undercover Illuminati Masonic government has deliberately made electric vehicles more expensive than they should be. It also seems that the electric vehicle industry, now headed by the undercover Illuminati Masonic government, is trying to discourage and possibly trying to stop people from living in their cars. Times are getting tough and challenging for many people, and living in their cars is the only way to survive. I believe everyone and anyone of the common class today will face at least some kind of emergency, whether it be their house burning down, unexpected moving of residence, tough economic times, temporary job loss, etc, and more often than not will need to be able to sleep in their car for any of these kinds of unexpected emergencies. For Tesla vehicles to be unreliable and unable to at least offer the basic feature of opening your car immediately and easily, regardless of any kind of basic minor electrical failures, is a sign of either an imprudent vehicle design or corruption. Paying thousands of dollars to ask yourself everyday, “Will my brand new 2023 Tesla Model Y open today???,” is simply not worth it. I don’t know what other electric vehicle companies are like, but this is my experience and regrets with Tesla. My best advice is don’t buy electric vehicles and certainly do not buy a Tesla. If electric vehicles give you more problems than internal combustible engine vehicles, then they are simply not worth it. The electric vehicle industry, especially Tesla, need to make certain basic features, such as opening your car, manually savvy and manually easy. If you can not open your brand new electric vehicle manually regardless of the electrical and software failure, that is a big problem, and the worst problem I have ever seen with the purchase of a brand new vehicle, especially if you are stuck in the middle of nowhere, and heavy rain doesn’t make it any easier. Again, paying thousands of dollars to ask yourself everyday, “Will my brand new 2023 Tesla Model Y open today???,” is just simply not worth it. Moreover, Tesla designed a very poor protection in their vehicles from the invasion of mice and rats. Mice and rats can easily invade most Tesla vehicles, if not all, and chew up the electrical system and result in hundreds of dollars in damages. Some sources say that Tesla accidentally designed their wiring insulation with soy base and other plant base ingredients. This of course, is a possible factor for Tesla vehicles being a food attraction and nest attraction to mice and rats, but yet Tesla refuses to be held liable and accountable for their poor design in this area and claims that it is the consumers fault. “Will I have to wait a week, two weeks, a month just to be able to open my 2023 Tesla Model Y?” Again, such real worries and real problems are just simply not worth it. Sorry Tesla, but you lost my trust and created nothing but problems and fear in my Tesla vehicle experience. Sorry Tesla, but never again. All of you Tesla prospectors reading this response are very lucky that I was kind enough to share my experience with you, instead of being evil and letting you suffer through the same experience as well. Tesla is simply not worth it, not now at least. Tesla is really taking advantage of their costumers. I hope that Tesla can shape up and truly promise a good honest product in the near future, but until then, I certainly don’t recommend Tesla vehicles to anyone at this present time.
The camber issue is a problem (though note that you said “factory spec” and not actually using factory wheels. If this happens with factory wheels then it would be worthy of a recall) but also, the plaid is a toy. There’s cars twice the price with worse problems and worse performance.
This is what happens when you change wheels from stock with obviously different back spacing and lower the vehicle. It happens on most cars that are modified in this way.
@@lukeatmadik4644if it was a matter of weight then something else like a Chevy Tahoe would have the same problem. His wheels stick out more than the stock wheels do, so there is more leverage. He even said the camber is off. If he would put the stock wheels back on and have it at the normal ride height, the tires would last a lot longer.
I have a 2013 S P85+. It comes with 21” staggers. Looks nice but obviously it’s got the same rear tire issue, because you can’t swap them to the front. I ended up buying a used set of classic model S 19”s. No issue since…. Ride much smoother with less road noise.
This guy has spent more money on tires than I spent on my 2002 Lincoln Town Car that I bought in 2007. Seventeen years later, it's still my daily driver!! You would think after spending $140,000 on this Tesla, you would get more than half of a steering wheel.
@ JustinJohnson-id1sl-- Almost everyone that I know that has an EV, has a spouse that has a gas car. They use the EV for shorter city runs and charge at home. They use the gas car for long trips. At least a third of the miles that are on my car are from long trips, so I don't think that I would ever buy an EV.
The thing with gap insurance is if you wrecked your car your regular insurance would pay for an equivalent replacement car. You could continue to make your payments on $140,000 and have the $62,000 replacement car exactly the same as the one in this video because that is what it is worth.
@stevenrivers8386 Anecdotal evidence isn't really evidence big dog! Tesla easily has the highest customer satisfaction rating and repeat buyer rate, a quick google search of "tesla repeat buyers" and "tesla customer satisfaction" can save you a lot of heartache. Or,,, maybe just keep yelling over the internet, maybe it'll change people's minds, idk :)
@stevenrivers8386the dealerships were marketing them up by so much becuase they were popular. Now the cost of cars will plummet once it reaches the peak
In 2021 many cars were going for well over MSRP as dealers added 30%-50% for high demand vehicles. You aren’t comparing unseen dealer markup during that period.
@@pepechill8118he is probably old enough to have a job as a tech where he understands that IT and engineers are the ones that create problems and dont listen to the techs creating their design
This guy is an idiot... this is like watching a comedy show. I can't stop laughing at his stupidity for buying a 140k car, LOL! That right there is stupid in its own right. If it were a Ferrari or something like that, then okay, but it's a freaking Tesla, Hahahahaha! Usually, I feel bad for people like him, but I just can't because of his sheer stupidity! Every single car depreciates the second you pull it off the lot!
ya this guy looks like he put aftermarket rims on the car too... and uses super low profile tires.. and acts surprised... bet if he went down a rim size and used meatier tires theyd last 20k-30k miles. dude is a dousche the way he even talks is annoying.
Happended to my mothers Tesla model X within the first year. Tesla service accused her of "aggressive driving"... only time I've seen her aggressive was when she responded to that claim in the service office
Nonsense. I track my Tesla, have videos of me doing donuts and drifting, driving off road, and Tesla service has never once questioned anything with warranty claims.
Tires aren’t made by Tesla, and the S and X have an adjustable ride height. It’s not their responsibility if you drive around on the lowest ride height and don’t keep your car in alignment.
I bet you were smiling when you had the shiny newest thing on the block. Then all the kids got them and your toy didn’t seem so special anymore. Hard to feel sorry for a guy bragging about all his luxury car purchases.
@VehicleVirgins : Tesla may have deliberately set the camber to such a high negative angle because it greatly improves handling when cornering. But I can see why the rapid tire wear would be an issue. Basically, you decide whether you want an inexpensive car for transportation, or an expensive toy for fun driving. But most buyers would probably never research this particular point, which is what makes it dangerous.
Dude i had the exact same problem on my lowered Model 3 with 20inch rims. Went through 3 sets of rear tyres in 1 year. Finally installed adjustable cambers and toe arms with a good non-tesla alignment... problem gone.
I subscribe to the *"Wham Bamm Tesla Cam channel"* . There is a lot of accidents where the Teslas hydroplane . A known heavy car loosing their grip while #ICE vehicles Whizz on by N/P. Now I can understand how this happens. With the wear being inside and people who is used to #ICE vehicles, not having to rotate their tires all that much. Yes , now I can understand the hydroplaning. 😳
I test drove a Lexus GS-f today and your video made me feel good about potentially spending $40,000 on a bulletproof reliable 8 cylinder Lexus. I’ve never felt quite comfortable with Tesla.
😂 This seems like *"The Toyota Corner"* . Even when people do their homework, there is other crap 💩 that pops up that you didn't think about or know about. I am thinking of getting a 2024 Toyota Tacoma, *_"but never buy the first series"_* . So I will wait until the twenty twenty five's are on the dealership lots, and get one of those. All negative issues should be addressed. 👌 Remember all the problems people had with the first series twenty twenty two Tundra 😳 🧐
Thanks! Finally someone tells the truth. On my Tesla P85D, almost $10,000 on tires to go 100,000 miles! That's why I did not buy a new Model S Plaid. I checked and sure enough 9 years later Tesla's Model S performance car STILL DOES NOT HAVE ADJUSTABLE REAR CAMBER ARMS! How can this be?
Totally had a rear tire blowout in my "S" on Malibu Canyon road one morning taking my kid to school. Exactly what you are showing here is what happened to me. A year later I had to put $4,200.00 into suspension work, broken control arm, and all new bushings. Can't afford to replace the two headlights that randomly turn off and I have to manually turn them off and back on while driving at night.
Yeah I had two S's they just had endless repairs for years, I dumped Tesla a few years ago it's just not worth it in the long run. Maybe the non-S models are better? Someone else can find out.
Greetings from Central Europe. Considering that the Tesla car company has maintained the status of the most defective brand in the world, including the worst workmanship, from the very first year of production, and it's been like this year after year, and the worst thing to choose is the S model, I have to ask: What are you surprised about? What did you expect? With all due respect = you got what you wanted, so enjoy it. If I didn't hear the same thing every year = what a disaster Tesla is, then I would feel sorry for Tesla owners, but I can't feel sorry for anyone like that.
To be fair if you can afford a Rolls Royce Cullinan then you probably live with the 40% price drop and 8000 km tyre changes but am deeply appreciative of your vlog as I could never justify spending endless money and parting with my beloved 16 yr old Hyundai i30.
But then you cant make a yt vid bleating like a woman about how unfair it all is. Everyone knew the value would plummet due to how quickly EVs are advancing.
I think for Tesla cars it makes more sense to lease. That way you're not stuck with a huge loan in the event of a sudden price drop and can upgrade every few years to the latest model!
I think for Tesla cars it makes more sense to avoid haha. If you want to drive one find a sucker who overpaid for a rattlebox and have them take you for a ride in theirs.
@@AmitPatel-vp2ev I have a Type R and am highly satisfied with it haha. And I paid 31k for it (gently used with a lot of goodies) at the start of 2020 (pre-pandemic) and it's now worth 30k. (obvi inflation happened in the meantime). Still ridic for what you get compared to some Teslas which lost half their value in a year.
Not really. In the US, many buy cars they actually can't afford and take out huge loans on them - to them, having > 30 k $ negative equity in a car can be serious trouble. The problems of accelerated depreciation after the manufacturers cut prices isn't new. It probably goes back to the golden days of the Ford Model T when ole' Henry lowered prices whenever some innovation would reduce production costs by a few bucks. In Europe, FIAT did pretty much the same with most of their mass models in the 2000s and 2010s. Initially, they advertised New models like a must-have fashion article and when demand dwindled, sharply lowered prices to maintain sales - with early buyers ending up holding cars much longer than they would have liked to.
@@doomsday9973 You could - if you were imprudent enough to buy one on borrowed money. Don't assume that people buying a 130,000 $ car can afford to do so. Many who do can't - and with 30 k $ negative equity in play, theft or an accident can be ruin.
Almost everyone who bought in 2021 paid more - most at dealerships that charged 10k+ called a market adjustment. Definitely more a timing issue than anything else. i agree that 5k on a set of tires is ridiculous though - glad you pointed that out. Hopefully Tesla addresses this issue. On higher speck cars in your price range they would sell for 30k or more over MSRP so your pretty close to everyone else. It was a good time to hold off, but you have also generated revenue through your videos on youtube so hopefully this helped you recoup some of the costs of the depreciation.
@@Furiousbanner Tesla has millions of them. but they have effective marketing to brainwash millions more of mindless drones. highly effective. the rims and tires are OEM. He said it in the video.
My Plaid with the 19s hasn’t had any of those issues in 35k miles. My yoke peal is the only issue I’ve had in 2 years. Love the car but the price cuts do suck big time for people like us that paid full price 😩
nice for me i’m about to pick one up or maybe wait little longer see if they drop even more 😂 basically saved myself half the cost just by being patient, worth it.
100% agreed, and is not a new thing at all. I bought a 2014 Model S 85, $114k at the time. Went through tires like a mofo, and not only the drive tires, the fronts too. Was changing out tires every 7k miles. I happened to get lucky and notice because I stuck my hand on the inner edge of the tire, just by chance while inspecting and caught a metal thread in my finger from the ripped up tire about to fail. Got sick of the car and got rid of it 2 years later.
Tesla model X plaid 2022 owner and like so many others I’ve seen the car depreciate by about 30 grand and in less than two years I’ve owned it. Besides the fact that you don’t get the advertised mileage, I’ve dealt with a plethora of issues with the car breaking down so much to point where I’m returning the car under lemon law. Tesla offered to Repurchase the vehicle. Luckily, I’m receiving all my money back l, minus the PPF install and winter tires that I had to purchase because it just comes with the worst possible tires for winter weather in my opinion… Taking long trips to Vermont and I’m a snowboarder so yes, winter tires is a necessity. I do love the technology of a Tesla. I think they’re amazing cars, but in terms of range, they are just not quite there yet. I’d rather put gas in a car for five minutes than have to wait 20 minutes plus to charge my car each time on long trips… Time is money and there’s been times I probably get about 250 miles if that on an average of a 315 mile range that Tesla claims… That is just not good enough for me I read online somewhere by someone who put it quite well, Tesla is a rich man’s second car.
Imagine you have this kind of experience with this company and still went ahead to pre-order the first-generation cyber truck. Honestly, as normal sane person, my first thought is either i don't believe his true frustration with his current car experience or this guy is so freaking rich and insane.
Or just plain stupid, lacking all smarts and common sense. 10K in tires in 25,000 miles, duh, you have a LEMON or a vehicle. I We will never own an electric car, not until the grid is everywhere, maybe 2099 ? Cybertruck > Lots of Honda copy, the suspension, the under bed trunk and more. But wait, there are few delivered and few proven to be reliable. Not only is it an electric truck, it will get stranded without many charging stations and is not made to float. Deep mud nd soft sand, forget it.. FAIL
Imagine - all the horrible things that Elon has done and said since this guy bought the car and his main complaint is that it is costing him money because the price on the new cars has put him underwater. I assume that he can not see past the nose on his face. We are budgeting and saving for an EV. I like the APP for Tesla more then the competitors, but I can not trust anything that they say - and that is a deal breaker. Rented a MY and an Ioniq 5 for a week and enjoyed both of them - but Tesla has them beat on the charging front.
I can second all of this 😂 although I switched to 19s and tire life is a peach.. still not ok. Great car, super convenient, got smashed on depreciation 😂
So you don't have the issue on the 19's? I actually have an order in for a new plaid and went with the 19's cause I figured the tire price alone would be annoying for the 21's, didn't even know about this issue. I drive a lot so if I have to change tires every 5k miles it would be basically every 1.5 months or so lol
7k miles Plaid on my 19s, all good. Pissssssssed about the depreciation, worst ever. Most likely cancel my Cybertruck Beast since they screw us over in price drops
@TrackSlayers All hail the king of the ring! Show your respect to this man everyone. Mans has the world record for the nurburgring lap time and daily drives a plaid. envious
Does the camber issue remain today? Does the issue apply only to the 19" Tempest wheels? Some online forums claim the issue applies only to the 21" wheels, but they provide no evidence, and camber settings don't care about wheels, right?
Tesla's price drops have affected the entire EV market. So is the solution to the tire issue installing adjustable control arms so that camber isn't fixed?? Seems like a straight forward fix.
Yes, but instead of installing N2itive camber arms, Parker choose to only install the drop links they offered him free for advertising, which made the issue worse. Then he turns around and acts surprised and crys about it.
Won’t work, the car needs the aggressive camber because of how much it weighs. Tires contact patch increases as weight transfers to outside wheels in corner, less aggressive camber would decrease grip as tires load up. That is very bad.
@jacobd1432 it just won't corner as well bro You are way off. Having full contact and even wear is logical. Aggressive camber is for racing. The car will handle the weight evenly now and not just under cornering. Genius Lmao
@@cuinican1980 brother this thing weighs as much as a gothic cathedral. An even contact patch on a car this heavy with this suspension on tires this wide is going to turn the camber positive in any slightly aggressive driving. Oh no a deer! Lemme swerve so I can… well I guess spinning off the road into a forest at 70 mph is nice this time of day.
@jacobd1432 Bro, im 43 , I was a manager for Firestone in my 20's for 7 years. My Brother has a speed shop in Tampa Florida. Called Induction Performance, we specialize in GTR and Supras and anything with Turbos and Super Chargers. You Sir are 100% wrong. The aggressive camber helps with handling. Just because you have a 305, 295, 335 size tire means you have more tire. If I take any vehicle and cha he the settings with a camber kit. I can get more contact on the street. Therefore more rubber more grip hitting the pavement. The only thing this will change is the ability to take a corner 'faster'. That's it, only change it does. My wear on my tire is more even. Supports the weight 'BETTER' because the weight is distributed by the entire width of the tire now. Not just the inner edges. You not only wrong you are wrong about your entire thought process. You literally think this even holds the weight better. Doesn't matter the car weighs 5k. Having camber and toe set properly. Turns you into a Cadillac. Nice and smooth and stable. You want to take turns on the track in track mode. Change the tires and rims out. With your set of racing cup tires at the ready. Adjust your camber for the corners. Have some fun. When your done, switch back the rims to your driving rims and tires. Adjust the camber back. You have a Cadillac again. I own a Model S performance as well as a Model S Plaid. I also own a ZR1 corvette as well as a Shelby GT500 SuperSnake. You Sir, are a boy. Boys don't like learning from Men. It's how I was when I was 16 years old. I thought I knew it all. I'm Audi5000G, God Bless Stay Safe
He's just a whining little girl who couldn't wait for prices to drop but elected to pay the higher price that's common with new model electronics. It's called recoup cost just like a new brand TV and new medicines. The companies always have to recoup the upfront design and engineering cost. 🤷♂️
Tesla was never well known for build quality, handling or vehicle dynamics. Just being electric and going quickly in a straight line. I’m guessing as more people catch on about this, the depreciation will get worse and worse….which we’re starting to see now.
correction...it's price is 62 grand, and you owe 100k + interest. Some of you need to look at an amortization chart sometime and see that you are paying at least double the loan amount when you add in interest. Loans are always a bad idea.
Taking Tesla's loan option seems beneficial to me because in my case I would invest the money that I would be temporarily saving for that purchase. If you take right now the Model X Plaid for example, you have to put down roughly $15k-$20k, and pay ~$1,250 a month over 8 years (so $120,000 over 8 years). The total cost will be about 22% higher than purchasing it in one go (so $33k more, which is not double at all btw, no idea where you got that from), but you can make a hell of a lot more than $33k within 8 years by investing the $120,000 you don't spend immediately. So loans are a blessing if you know how to invest.
The other thing about Tesla, like no other manufacturer. Is within a model year, they are making improvements. So the year you bought, costs probably were a lot more. As they improve manufacturing and costs come down, they can reduce the vehicle price. That seems less of an issue as the tire problem. As for gap insurance. I didn't think they ever offered that at the bank. That is something you talk to your auto insurance company about (at least that is how I've always understood it).
You've got two major problems. First is the Michelin Latitude Sport tires are defective and not designed for the weight. In this case, it's not the camber but cornering that does the inside edges in. The second problem is the rear camber is -2.4 to -2.5 degrees in low (not very low) on all S/X refresh...not just Plaid. You can fix this with aftermarket upper arms or shims. The shims weren't possible before the refresh because the upper arms pre-refresh attached to the cradle with tabs rather than laterally with bolts like they do on the refresh. Agree tesla really needs to fix this. It was also bad pre-refresh but it's even worse now. My X Plaid had exactly the same inner edge wear at 10K miles despite the tread across the tire being almost evenly worn.
Oh ok it is really a bad design and parts use from Tesla. That confirms that fact that they are great in launching rocket. But when it comes to make quality cars, they have never succeeded, very much the same for all american manufacturers unfortunately
@@conglin6965 The design is actually very good but their choice of fixed alignment values was picked for track performance so they could get those crazy record lap times on stock unmodified cars. Unfortunately those values are not the best for tire wear. Half the problem is simply the tire itself which is why they ditched the Latitudes finally.
I owned a Tesla Model X from 2016-2021, the best car in 40 years, no issues, no range anxiety, no charging in the cold problems, the Falcon Doors worked flawless. The Tesla X saved my life going 65 mph in Kansas City on 435 south loop. A very large Church like chair fell from the back of a truck. I did not have time to respond but guess what, the car steered left to avoid the chair crashing into my windshield and likely severely injuring me or worse. Then steered back into the original lane to avoid a car to my left rear blind spot. There no amount of features better than collision avoidance. For Tesla its routine to help its drivers, its built into the design of this EV
dont feel bad, you are not alone, many people got buried buying cars the last 4 years, they were paying way over sticker "their own fault" and now they are so far under water that their options are very limited. you really cant blame tesla, they were selling them for what people were willing to pay for them at the time and that has changed so they have no other option but to lower the price. its the market, not tesla.
@@SVEVelsen upsell scam? People wanted to buy them like crazy, they couldn't make as many to cover the demand, so they did what any other sane person owning a business would do, raise the prices to the max, as much as people are willing to pay. It's not a scam, people just wanted to buy it so badly they paid a shit ton of money, it's the people in the wrong, not Tesla. This is the mentality that got my country (argentina) to such a huge inflation, nobody ever looks for prices and always pay whatever the stores are selling their stuff for, they can't just not buy the thing and wait for the prices to drop.
The tire issue should be a class action against tesla. 5000miles and tyres failure in one of the fastest cars ever.. Musk is a conman as far as lm concerned..engineering genius..be real!!
Totally understand your frustration. End of 2021 was a terrible time to buy a car, even though rates were so low. Used car prices were super inflated at the time, as well. On the flip side, there were a number of people who ordered Plaids when the price was $110k, but then got delivered when they were $130k but were locked into their original price, so they probably felt pretty happy then, and now their cars are down a more reasonable percentage from their purchase price. For me, a current model 3 owner, and former S owner, who wants to get back into an S, this drop is a blessing because used S prices are going to drop as well, allowing me to get much more car for my money.
When looking for a used model S I'd take this tire issue into account. I think they fixed that issue with newer ones. They reworked suspension and frame. Also making it perform better on track.
Greetings from Europe. Unfortunately I can't say if this is 100% true, but it is a fact that here in Europe people are talking a lot about the Model 3 made in China and made in Germany. The difference in quality is said to be striking, and you will also pay 5,000 to 8,000 euros more for a new piece made in Germany than for a piece made in China.
I ordered my Plaid when ordering first started. The initial price was $120k, not $110k and then Tesla raised it to $130k at the Plaid event in June 2021. I got locked in at $120k even though the car was $10k more expensive when I picked mine up in Aug 2021.
I am definitely disappointed that the price dropped after I had bought a M3 in 2020, but at the same time, I'm also happy because it means that the same care is more accessible and is even more reasonably priced. It just means that when my current one dies or gives out, I can get whatever the newer one is at a better price and likely with more kinks and bugs worked out.
What really happens is production of the car gets more efficient and they lower the price because they can now supply much more, it’s a way of controlling supply & demand which is great but obviously flawed
@@DemonTied not flawed, the same thing happens with all tech, the first gen cell phone costs a ton, 3 years down the road it's cheep and the kinks have been worked out. it would be flawed if when they reduce the production costs and didn't pass on those savings to customers, you always pay a premium to have the first batch.
@@robgilmour3147 in terms of the car market this would never happen, if anything car prices only go up. I mean I think it’s great because it made it possible for me to get a MYP but I’m sure the early adopters don’t think it was so great. I get what you mean though but it’s just an objectively controversial move on teslas part, benefitted many people (including themselves cuz more yearly sales) but also massively devalued it for many people as well. Imagine you buy a $75,000 2021 car and a few years later you’d be lucky to get 28k out of it, must suck lol
I'm 63 and I haven't spent $10,000.00 on tires in my WHOLE life. My current car a Ford 2016 Explorer that is an 4WD model with 89,000 + ml and it's still on it factory tires. Here in Miami some people are only getting 700 to a 1000 miles on a set of EV tires. It seems the rubber compound doesn't like the hot Florida roads.
I 100% support you Parker, and will continue to support you, but as an early investor in the company, you’re forgetting one of the biggest points here, the cost of battery manufacturing and battery technology in general has changed drastically over the years. I paid $173,000 for my 2017 Tesla Model X P100D. At the time that was the fastest model available and it was fully loaded. Most people don’t even believe me when I tell them I paid that much. (Even though I still have the window sticker) As an original early adopter in the technology, and you being able to have the vehicle first before anyone else, we pay the price. I had mine before anyone and I was super excited to be able to smash on any cars out there and have a 0 to 60 of 2.7 seconds in a 6,000lb SUV. Naturally, as technology gets better and batteries become more available to provide higher mileage and more performance, the price is going to come down. At the end of the day, you have to remember that it’s not really a car, but more like a computer.
Thanks man. While it’s true batteries have gotten cheaper, the F150 lightning, Rivian and Taycan have maintained their msrps to respect their customers. The Taycan has increased in price by $5k since 2021, not decreased by 42k
@@VehicleVirgins yeah but like stated above, you can’t compare TESLA to Legacy auto manufacturers cause it’s completely different. The whole game plan from Elon was to bring sustainable electric vehicles to the market that people can afford and this is all part of his original plan that he wrote up bringing the pricing down to an affordable level. On top of that, pricing has come down due to the overall cost of battery technology coming down as well.
@@VehicleVirginslol. It appears you are complaining about the company following their mission statement which is to consistently make the cars more affordable therefor expediting the transition to renewable energy. There are countless people in this thread that have experienced the price drops. It also appears you just have no clue what is happening in the macro scheme of things and how all the other automakers are doing.
Everything you covered in this video are good points other than the price drop. They were trying to figure out what good pricing is for their car and adjusted it accordingly after 2 years. This is totally fine, and it's the price you pay for getting the newest of the new tech. You are basically beta testing a hype product the second it comes out. The tire issue is very serious however and needs to be fixed.
This could be true if there weren’t price drops for their whole like up. I’m in the whole 20k and I have the model Y. And that’s not counting depreciation. I bought it for 62k and now they’re selling at 40k. It’s not just the model S
@@anttij2973 Teslas are still selling like hotcakes brand new so I don't know what you are talking about. The Plaid was a new model lineup / edition to the S model line and thus they were seeing how the market accepted their initial pricing. I assume they adjusted it based on demand and sales potential if they reduced it.
@@dyrandoms sucks to be you. You didn't value your money enough to wait for the price drops, being that they were clearly too expensive and since the very first year they were talking about making manufacturing more efficient to sell for cheaper, as their goal was always to make cars affordable enough to replace regular gas vehicles. This is just common sense, and you lacked some of it.
@@rRekkoHow could he wait for price drops that weren’t told to the public or employees? That happened in the morning and Tesla employees would wake up to the news?
Sorry, I used to love your videos, but this one is just ridiculous. Being an early adopter of the world’s first premium sedan priced hyper-car, then crying out because of the recent price drop is just childish. As a Tesla investor you should have known Tesla is scaling up production of every model by letting it partially finance by early adopters. It was the case with the early model S, X, both S and X performance versions, even with the model 3 performance. Why should it be different with the Plaid. On the other hand, talking about alternatives to the Plaid, there are literally none. No premium priced sedan with hyper-car performances. You could alternatively go for fully speced “slow” Amgs and Bmw M, which all cost more than the Plaid, however they all have close to 50% depreciation in two years time regardless of new car price development. At least in Germany you can’t sell a fully speced two years old E 63 Amg for more than a 50-55% of a new one, for a simple reason, coz. more than 90% of those cars are leased, and only very few people would actually buy it. Regarding tire wear, it seems you keep forgetting you drive a 1000+ hp car with hypercar performances. This car’s performances are only comparable to something like Bugatti Veyron, however Bugatti is a pure two seater hypercar, and it’s suspension is set to be used on track. Contrary to that, Plaid is a comfortable sedan which needs to provide decent comfort comparable to that of an E class Mercedes or 5 series Bmw. Those are completely opposite requirements when comes to suspension settings. On top of that, Plaid comes standard with an height adjustable air suspension, meaning actual camber is being changed considerably between the two extremes, the lowest and the highest suspension setting. And here comes the catch, while the car needs to provide reasonable camber also in its highest suspension setting in order to ensure safe road holding when all 1000+ hp are released in a curve, in its lowest setting the camber will of course be more extreme which would lead to a higher tire wear. But that’s the case with all powerful premium sedans which need to provide decent wheel travel. It had been the case with all my Bmws M, and it’s apparently even worse with Audis RS. It’s also the case with my Plaid, but far from that what I have experienced with M cars. now, it again depends on your air suspension settings. I usually set mine to the middle setting. However, it seems you permanently use the lowest suspension setting, and it looks like you have even lowered the suspension on your Plaid. This of course increases the camber again and causes excessive tire wear. On top of this, the tires you are using are way to wide, there’s literally no space between the tire and the fender left. In Germany that’s not permitted and the car would lose driving permission. Hopefully this video was meant as a joke, it simply does not comply with the professionalism you have been providing through the years.
@@ricardosimon1975 Also there’s no denying that because content consumers love to rag on Tesla as of late, especially so called “car enthusiasts”, content creators are incentivized to make content that criticizes Tesla.
Hmmm, I have a '20 Tesla MS LP+ with 30K miles, yet to replace tires. Comes with free SC charging for life of ownership. No complaints, great car, best I've ever driven. I used to be hot rodder in my youth.
I'm pretty sure those rims you are running aren't OEM. You can even see those rims don't fit the car, why would you still run with them? No wonder you'll get tire issues. Also if the camber is an issue, get it aligned properly. About the depreciation, nobody told you the car wasn't gonna depreciate in value so why would you cry about it.
@@Resist4 Fake News : old Bmw Z4M coupe kept it's value, Porsche GT3RS always increase their value, Porsche 930 Turbo, same for Porsche GT4 and Porsche 718 Spyder, Ford GT 2005, Ford GT 2022, Lancia Delta Integrale HF and enough other wanted cars. Cars that depreciate in value are cars that most people do not desire. A 1980s Lancia Delta Intergrale HF with Martini Colors was 40k back in the days now it is way over 150k.
@@THEREALZENFORCE Don't throw out that Trump fake news line. Very few cars every appreciate, that's why I said inherently they are depreciating assets. In fact, financial advisors will say the same thing.
"Fools rush in" rushing in to buy the first of something often has its drawbacks. Waiting and seeing the problems then deciding is generally more beneficial. This is for most things in life.
I haven't had the tire issue at all with my Tesla S Plaid, but I have the base OEM 19inch wheels and all-season tires. This must only be an issue with the 21 inch wheel option. The insane price drops is what's been getting me. The car is at least fun and crazy fast, but like Parker I now HATE Tesla. I was able to get GAP through my insurance company for $80 per year.
My 2013 p85+ with 21" at least initially burned through inside edges in 10k miles. The problem isn't as severe as it used to be. Not sure if it's due to a different variant of Michelins I'm using on them now. That said, the price thing sucks, but the entire car market was over priced in 2021, and tesla specifically was fighting through supply constraints. Used cars were selling above the cost of new cars then. Things have changed.
Anyone know if these tire issues also exist with the model 3? As far as the price drop causing your car to be worth less, while that definitely sucks, if you can afford a $140,000 car, I am not sure how bad I can feel for you.
The factory tires on my 2019 model 3 lasted 53k miles. I replaced them with the hardest rubber I could find and those tires are about worn out at 144k miles. The issue is the auto adjusting air suspension on the model S. Model 3 and Y don't have that issue.
Any model I think is flawed, just don't buy this brand, quality is just bad, our X and S had many failures, everything is just falling apart after a year.
Looking healthy man, been a while since I watched one of your videos. In regards to the video, you can usually get gap insurance through your automobile insurance (and it is usually way cheaper). Speaking of the lower price, just look at it like you were rich enough to buy it before the drop. 99% of the people out there cannot even buy it at the lower price if it makes you feel better (in other words not many people are going to cry tears for someone in the 1% complaining about losing some money).
We bought our first Tesla Y just before the price drops started in 2022, and while slightly frustrating, it's always been part of Tesla's masterplan, and it doesn't stop me from wanting to continue buying Tesla's. It's an EV land grab for volume and Tesla has plenty of room in their margins to drop prices in order to maintain selling what they produce. The internal combustion vehicle production process has fully extracted all material efficiencies from the process, which is why you don't see manufactures dropping prices like Tesla can.
This isn't just a Plaid or even a Model S issue. I've been driving Tesla Model S and X variants since 2015. The tyre wear issue has been a problem since day one on both the S and the X. The X wears the inner edge on the rears, the S wears the front outer edges. Cars are as perfectly aligned as it is possible to get with the limited range of adjustment available and tyre pressures are per manufacturer. I'm lucky to get 10,000km's of normal commuting out of a set on either X or S. The price drops have also been an issue since at least 2017.
Had the tyre issue in my model s p100d too, price drops are weird and just push off loyal customers. I keep mine due to free supercharging and needing to travel to regional area regularly. Would rather a 992 911t but can’t be bothered.
If there wasnt a price drop I wouldnt be driving a Tesla now, and sometimes you have to pay to play early in the game. It sucks but you got to experience the awesome car early but on the other side had to pay the steeper price.
Had the exact same problem in my Chevy Volt, just buy 4 tires once, you never rotate the tires ever, you just need to replace the 2 front tires , twice a year… problem solved, don’t rotate tires ever, back tires stay brand new forever
By the way, I upgraded to the Tesla Model 3 long range, I know that I will have this problem with any electric vehicle, save yourself this tire flaw, never rotate tires, big mistake, buying 2 tires is a lot easier than replacing 4 ❤❤❤😂😂😂 and now you know!! 😅
When the Plaid came out it was a one of a kind vehicle as far as performance, and Tesla had control of the EV market. People were paying significantly over MSRP for low mileage used Plaids for a while. Tesla charged what they did because people were willingly buying them. Now the EV market is much more saturated and there is more competition. Tesla had to cut prices to maintain sales. Simple as that. Its unfortunate for owners who bought a while ago, but that's the price you pay for buying almost anything when it is new and cutting edge. Eventually everyone else gets in on it and prices have to come down.
It’s not only with the plaid. I had the same on the p85D model s and on our model X p100D We changed the arms and got some aftermarket rubbers combine with a bit offset tire set, that helps.
My 2021 Plaid has 19" wheels with 12,000 miles 3 track days and autocross and my tires are fine. The price drop sucked but this is not a problem for new owners. They are getting the deal of their lifetime right now and I would advise them to get one. 2021 Taycan Turbo S were 220k with a few options and they are selling for 150k. Yeah I am not happy about the price drop either.
@@VehicleVirgins Hey, I agree with you I paid $136k and we didn't get the tilting screen and the steam gaming capability. Tesla should give us even trade-ins/at no cost for 2023 Plaids or some kind of rebate or enable full FSD for free which is zero cost for them.
@@VehicleVirgins Why did you think getting the larger wheels was a good idea? Low profile large wheels need to go away and never come back. They will wear out quicker, can be more easily damaged and drastically reduce range.
EXCEPT, the stock 19's look soooo gay! Like a 16 yr-old, pimple-faced dork on a first date. IF that's what you want to see everyday, go for it!@@Resist4
The price of the car is falling because Tesla optimizes their production of the cars like no other manufacturer in the world. This is their main focus. Tesla also claimed it for many years that their focus is to make EVs affordable. They are also doing it across their whole lineup of models, not just the top spec cars. The car you bought cost much more to make than the same car which is built today, so Tesla is probably adjusting the price to keep similar profit margins. Take any other manufacturer and they probably would have kept the price to take all that extra profit margins away from the customers. Even if you payed more than what it cost today, that car is still outperforming other cars which cost 10x more, so is it really a big deal? You also made a lot of videos using that vehicle which probably payed off for that difference in price already. At that time you bought it, it was also the only car with such specs, so you payed for exclusivity. People who buy high tech gadgets first always overpay several times more than what the same gadgets cost later after mass adoption. For example, compare it to buying some large size fancy TV screen today and then 2 years later and its price will probably drop similarly like this Tesla
I absolutely agree with you! You paid for exclusivity and I applaud Tesla for lowering their prices and allowing consumers to get into their vehicles at lower prices. Any other manufacturer would have 100% pocketed the extra profit. I can't believe people are annoyed at a product going down in price. I say this as a model 3 performance owner. I'm happy others can get into the vehicles at a lower price.
@@jordanchopra5038 Dude, anyone who works in the auto industry would tell you ONLY Tesla fanboys are OK with what Tesla did. Don't forget they raised their prices over the last couple years and then went ahead and dropped the price of Model Y's 14K ya know their number one selling car. They are no longer a startup. They are the most valuable car company in the world. They don't get a pass for screwing over hundreds of thousands of customers out of billions of dollars. Not to mention they stay profitable due to tax incentives and continue to ask the GOV for more money to build EV infrastructure for their semi's. All while their rest of industry made their own investments. Tesla's are the new Chrysler 200. If you pull up to a lot to trade your car in. GOOOOD LUCK unless you have 15K in your pocket to cover the negative equity.
From the model S manual: Tesla recommends rotating the tires every 6,250 miles (10,000 km) or if tread depth difference is 2/32 in (1.5 mm) or greater, whichever comes first. Tire rotation is an essential part of tire maintenance. It helps maintain an even treadwear pattern which enhances the tire's overall wear quality, decreases road noise and maximizes tire life. Vehicles with staggered wheels and non-directional tires can be rotated side-to-side (left-to-right) but not front-to-back as the front and rear tire size is different. Left-to-right rotation can increase tread life by changing the direction of rotation for each tire and balancing shoulder wear.
What other car has dropped their MSRP 30%? I've never seen it. Theres a big difference between an $800 phone and a $140,000 car. Even still Apple INCREASES their price of the iphone every release
@@ethan424040I guess Autopilot and carbon-sleeved electric motors is old technology, to say nothing of building the quickest acceleration car in the world short of a Rimac Nevera
@@VehicleVirgins you knew Tesla was not like every other car company and they want to make EV's affordable to the masses. Note to self...stop buying cars costing over $100,000. And the GAP insurance thing is something you should have. known about prior to financing the car.
Tesla is a new manufacturer. As they streamline their processes and optimize production, cost will come down. They did not make 40% when they initially sold the car. Battery tech and everything has come down a lot in prices. Tesla is adjusting their prices partly due to lower cost of production.
To be fair, at the time you bought the car, the car market was insanely high priced. Used Teslas were going for 10-20% over be price. There are tons of people who sold teslas at a profit. It was just an insane time, and it seems tesla has had costs come down and adapted their prices from a time when costs were extra high, which somewhat inflated the prices back then. The tire, however, isn't a new issue. I've had a 2013 p85+ for a decade. It has had similar wear, and I've gone through rear tires relatively quickly. That said, the lack of other maintenance over the last decade has easily made up the cost. My similarly aged f-150 goes through all terrain tires nearly as fast with a similar price tag. It also has cost 10,000 more in maintenance, without including the cost of gas, tires, and oil. I've gone through at least 3 more brake replacements in a similar 200,000 miles to my model s. I did just get a used 2022 plaid. I picked it up for 90k with 9k miles. This price drop hurts, but most of the depreciation was already built in as used car prices have dropped (along with the new prices on plaids coming down). I've got 7k+ miles on that car since i bought it. I haven't checked the inside of the tires, but until your videos, i wasn't as concerned, as i figured it was just like my 2013. I should also check the inside of my 2013s tires, as it's been a bit, but i don't remember this issue being as prominent since moving away from the Michelin supersport ps2 tires. That said, the fact that it is still an issue is crazy. It's also crazy that you haven't had it fixed in the aftermarket if tesla won't fix it. Is that not possible? All in all, these concerns didn't convince me to cancel my roadster or cybertruck orders, but definitely given me something to think about.
I just bought a 2014 Tesla model S 85 with 61k miles for $15,000 minus the $4,000 point of sale tax credit, so it cost me $11,000 plus tax and license. The out the door total $12,900. The tires have a date code from 2017 so they have been replaced once in the last 10 years and stil have 50% tread left. The car works great and the battery still has 90+% of it's original capacity. What's not to like? If you are an early adopter of any new technology you will pay dearly for it that is normally how things work. You have to be patient if you don't want to pay dearly for new tech.
I totally understand the concern about the tire, that's a legitimate concern and yes it should be corrected. As far as the price of the car, how's that any different than paying over for a car cuz you want the new version?
Because he didn’t do that. Imagine buying a house at sticker then the developer builds more of the same house next year and they list for 40% less. I would feel betrayed.
Sucks to have any issues with the car. About the price drop, i bought 2 year old fully speced rs5 for 75k. Brand new was 130.000€. Didnt lose as much as the plaid but its fairly close.
Audi R8 is the all time king of depreciation btw there is nothing depreciated with the plaid, just keep it as long as a normal life span and there wont be any depreciation. actually teslas hold their value extremely well, not comparable to ice cars at all.
I have 2022 model S LR and had two flat tires. Both times there were nails in them. 19 inch wheels is better than 21 inches. I am glad I chose the LR vs. plaid. LR is crazy fast enough (0-60 in 3 seconds).
Model S and X sold all day long before the interest rates went up and Elon lost his mind. They were the first two Models the company offered for mass production. You underestimate how many rich people there are and Tesla over estimated and are finding out.
Very informative video. I have the exact same plaid. After seeing your video I had my tires checked and as you can guess I had the same problems with the rear tires. This is a scary problem. The tread looked great with normal inspection. I had cords showing through on both back tires.
Nice that you did not point out the easy solution. Put 19 inch tires on it. OR... this is a real difficult solution, replace the rear arm with an adjustable chamber arm!!! I know, spending $40 on this would probably bankrupt you, but for the "look" you can dig deep.
Nicely said. There's taking a bath, and there's taking a BATH! The tire issue should've been an immediate recall. It's astonishing to think they obviously know the problem exists, and just choose not to address it. Is this all Tesla models, or just S and/or Plaid?
@@curlyjoe5020 Greetings from Europe. Tesla happens to be a very fun car. Although I don't own it, I have a lot of fun watching videos of the quality of the workmanship, or reading about the problems that the owners are going through. The roof of the Model Y flew off when it was driving a new Tesla home from the dealer. Or there were no brakes on the rear axle. Model Y cracks in the body, Tesla braked poorly = there were no brake pads. With Plaid -car overheats within 5 minutes on track = you have to buy Track Package(TP) for $20,000 will be upgraded SW. I don't want TP, I just need an upgrade. You can't upgrade without TP. Purchase of TP installation and hurray for the circuit. The car no longer overheats within 5 minutes ... it overheats within 4 minutes. Tesla announces that the problem is being worked on and stops communicating. The owner is satisfied that he lost 1 minute for 20,000 USD... Tesla points to the Taycan and its loss of power in the second drag race, the Tesla has no loss even after 20 drag races. The American magazine wanted to make a sensation out of it, so there was a big Test 10x 0-60. And the Taycan started between the first and last run, the loss was so small that there was no point in talking about it. And Tesla the first 2 tests ok but from the 3rd test the performance drops. in the 10 test Tesla needed three times the time for 0-60. Then the Taycan started to overheat again .. the bike can't even handle it on the circuit... Later it was spoiled by the S Plaid owners who started asking about the temperature problem... it wasn't the Taycan it's the Plaid. In 2021, Tesla is ranked #1 by Consumer Reports as the most reliable, trouble-free car. That's the same ranking as in 2020. I'll open Consumer Reports car reliability results for 2020 and 2021... Both years the same ranking - Tesla is second to last. No other car will provide you with so much fun. One of the last defects of the Model S and another model is that it can happen that the steering wheel falls off...I like how Tesla takes care of customers. For example, in winter it is essential to keep your feet warm. With the Tesla Model 3, they can do it. You set the temperature to 22°C and your feet feel 50°C and the car soon becomes a sauna. Tesla replied that the error is on the user's side, because no one has complained yet. Tesla buys cars from disgruntled owners and immediately sells them without fixing the problem. Tesla's lawyers came up with an interesting statement and informed that the lifespan of a Tesla car is 250 - 300,000 km, while E. Musk claims 800,000 km. Record run of 1.2 million km Model S stated E. Musk. He just forgot a few details, changed the engine 5 times and the battery 3 times. Battery price 20,000 USD😎
@@Mijanboy Yes, Tesla is a piece of junk. One correction: In 2021, Tesla X ranked dead last, and the next years second to last. It's a crap car. "Fun" is no fun when the car is breaking down on you. "he Tesla Model X and Audi E-tron ranked dead last in this segment for reliability, while the Kia Niro EV ranked “well above average reliability.” The Nissan Leaf and newer Ford Mustang Mach-E scored “above average reliability.” High-end electric SUVs were among the least reliable vehicles in the survey overall.Nov 18, 2021 Consumer Reports 2021 auto reliability survey: How Tesla ..." Tesla is a horrible company...I can understand why Audi, who had been making EV for just a few years, could score so low, but Tesla has been making EVs for a dozen years at that point, and seemingly learned nothing. No excuse.
Great point on gap insurance. Also, hard to compare a mfg selling to a dealer vs a mfg going straight to consumer. Of course the margins are better for Tesla. That also gives them the freedom to constantly adjust pricing to spur demand as we've seen across all models.
Another option is to insure it all... And fly away for the weekend to relax. When you come back from relaxing, you find that you are without a car... such bad luck.😎😇
They sold it for over 100k because they knew the Tesla fanboys would pay anything regardless of common sense. This should be no surprise to anyone. Good video though
What you describe about waiting 1-2 years for the price to drop is EXACTLY what Tesla wants you to do. At the beginning of production they can’t make that many so production costs are high but demand is high so they can charge whatever they want. Eventually, production increases, economy of scale takes over, margins improve, demand slows, so price drops. Moral is if you want to be the first to own a new Tesla model, be prepared to stomach insane depreciation because they price cars based purely on supply and demand.
This.
Tesla S started production in 2012. So, I should wait 10 years or so?
Tesla made it clear that it’s goal was to lower the price. !!!
Exactly. You pay your money, you take your choice. The car was obviously worth it to him at the time he bought it. Tesla don't promise to maintain prices artificially high if their production costs drop. This whole video reeks of entitlement.
@@jonathanridder The cost of the model S had dropped precovid. During covid however Tesla jacked up their prices because they could. The other manufacturers experienced it too but it was the dealerships that were adding the ridiculous ADMs to prices, the car companies besides didn't start jacking up prices till the end of covid during peak inflation. Now that interest rates have gone up and demand has dropped, Tesla is dropping prices to avoid idling their plants.
I slammed my car on links with no adjustable camber arms and have no clue why im eating up tires 🤦♂️ They should recall you.
I 10000%agree. He is a little bit stupid.
Amen brother!
exactly what i was thinking too. tires wear like that due to camber. i worked at a tire shop and that wear pattern is a dead giveaway. this guys a retard
lmao yea the dude is utterly clueless smfh
Seriously! Guy shows a setup with obviously the wrong wheels and tires, can't fit a toothpick between the edge of the tire and the fender, and wonders why it eats tires!
"On the way to race at thermal club..." 10 seconds later. "I don't race this car..." Stop the bullshit
There are obviously other options than racing the car you drive to the location. Perhaps having a separate track car or just spectating.
@@Maurus200 what I thought
not into spectating?
I had to replace the OEM 21 inch tires every 5k miles as well. I downgraded to the 19 inch rims and tires and the inner tire wear problem gone. The 19 inch tires now last more than 20k miles. Unlike the previous 21 inch wheels, which were a staggered configuration, the new 19 inch tires are square configuration so I can rotate them and make them last even longer.
Too much common sense...
U replaced the wheels? why didn't you just replace the tires.?
to be honest anything above 17-18 inches on a car is purely for cosmetics and has no benefits in performance, usability, comfort, range and durability at all
My tires are fine. I just hate carrying the car everywhere I go.
@@KimoKimochii what? Are you serious? Perhaps you are drivning a Rav4 or similiar
Here is the title of the video where he lowered the car: I SLAMMED MY TESLA PLAID SO LOW IT'S DANGEROUS!
Liked and responding because this comment needs to be higher up. Amateur with an amateur video vying for clicks. This dope fooled me into clicking too, but the top comments show this guy for what he is.
Exactly what I was thinking
Also, my philosophy is never buy a new car no matter the company… I should clarify… the amount of depreciation would be similar to a used one (of course there are exceptions). I am not saying everyone should buy a used car instead of new, all I am saying is that in my experience, buy a used car (if the odometer is less than 90,000 miles) can save lots of money… but whatever you do, make sure the used or new car isn’t a lemon
That's just being cheap.
nah man just go with a toyota, most reliable car company you'll find
@@micham8278 Possibly, but then again, the depreciation of driving a car off the lot… besides a 250GTO (Ferrari)… all for thought
@@bluegang2320 My brother likes his Mazda… (Japanese cars seem to be reliable)… or?
.The model s originated in 2012, hardly a "new car"! Put the bong pipe down amigo.
Surprised a knowledgeable car guy didn’t realize he bought at the highest dealer markup era in modern history due to the supply issues at the time … all the dealerships from every car maker were jacking up their prices… now they can’t give them away
Anyone who bought a new car after the first half of the pandemic made the same mistake. The car my parents bought depreciated by 10,000 euros in one year just at the sale price after the pandemic. On top of that, it has more technical problems than an old car. And it's obvious that you're going to get a bad price at the buyback, they have to make a profit again when they re-sell the car you used
What are you talking about. Toyota is still jacking up prices used couple year old toyotas are higher than MSRP in dealerships. because dealers are still saying F you if you don't want our car for this insane price someone else with more money than brains will come buy it.
@@UnlockingCentralFloridaproof
I've bought and sold my share of cars for over fifty years, and the one thing I've learned is never rush into any "new" innovative auto design offering especially with the EV craze where we are just beginning to uncover all the cadavers lurking within that system.
Elon fanboys gonna kneel, it's sorta what they do.
@@humanonearth1some people are smart and wait, and some people act like whining little girls. 😂
You smart 👏 unlike some whining little spoiled girls complaining because they couldn't wait for the prices to go down like they always do. Whaa..whaa.. 😂 he's probably single or has a prostitute for a partner because nobody could possibly stand being around this person for two minutes. Ugh! Someone please tell the little girl to shut their trap.
Facts
It's like Apple 🍎, in fact telsa is a apple iPhone On 4 wheels
A lot of “regular” cars had huge markups in 2021. Now, they are discounted below msrp. How is that any different than Tesla? You can’t negotiate Tesla prices, so their online prices have fluctuate with market demand. How is that hard to understand? Everything was inflated in 2021, Tesla vehicles were no different.
lol at your “my new cybertruck” videos on your profile after watching this 😂
There is certainly a reason. I bought a brand new (zero miles) 2023 Tesla Model Y and I totally regret it. I have not driven it much. So far I have put only 1000 miles on it (ten months later). Now, suddenly my card key and phone key went out (failed) and I can’t open my car. I understand that electrical failure can occur in any electrical vehicle, but if it’s raining really hard, which it was, one should at least be able to open their car and get into their car while they are waiting for the tow truck, having a comfortable spot to BE IN to think about what to do in this kind of EMERGENCY. Opening a car and getting into a car is such a basic feature and Tesla has made this basic feature impossible even under basic minor electrical failure.
The point is that I should not be having these kind of problems with a brand new car this early and so early into the new ownership of a brand new car.
I also suspect Tesla is deliberately sending these kind of failures over the WIFI air connection as a means to keep owners consistently paying for these silly needless unnecessary repairs, thus a deceitful scheme of unnecessary dependency and consumerism of unnecessary needless car repairs upon customers.
If you’re planning to live in your car, don’t do it with a Tesla. Buy yourself an internal combustible engine car or van instead and will be much more reliable.
What I hate about Tesla is that their vehicles are controlled solely by software and WIFI. The problem with this is if your software and/or WIFI fails or malfunction, then you will not be able to open your windows or doors, and can’t even open your car. Tesla should install backup manual door locks and back up manual window openings in case the software, or electrical system, or WIFI fails. Being able to get inside your car, during basic minor car failure, is a basic feature that we all need. What if I need to get my wallet and my driver’s license that was left inside my Tesla??? I won’t be able to access any important belongings left inside my Tesla because Tesla vehicles can’t offer a basic feature as opening your car regardless of any kind of electrical failure.
Being able to access (open your car) regardless of any kind of basic minor vehicle failure, is a basic feature in all internal combustible engine vehicles. This basic feature (being able to open your car) in Tesla vehicles, on the other hand, is not a given basic feature and impossible even under basic minor electrical failures.
I see the writing on the wall and it’s ugly. Tesla is imposing too much control on their vehicles, and seem to be pushing some deliberate electrical and software failures over the air, with the purpose of keeping Tesla car owners dependent on needless unnecessary car repairs, thus a deceitful scheme of dependency and consumerism of unnecessary needless car repair expenses.
Don’t buy a Tesla. Don’t fall for the trap. The original concept of electric vehicles was never luxury, but rather that of economy and avoiding or minimizing car failure and avoiding expensive car repairs and avoiding dependency of expensive car maintenance and expensive car repairs, oil changes, smog checks, unreasonable fuel prices, etc. Unfortunately, it seems that Tesla has complied to the undercover Illuminati Masonic government and has deliberately corrupted the electric vehicle concept into a world order of needless and unnecessary dependency and consumerism.
Electric vehicles should be cheaper in price cost than internal combustible engine vehicles because it is commonly known that it is a lot cheaper to manufacture an electric vehicle because electric vehicles require less parts and less labor to manufacture, but the undercover Illuminati Masonic government has deliberately made electric vehicles more expensive than they should be.
It also seems that the electric vehicle industry, now headed by the undercover Illuminati Masonic government, is trying to discourage and possibly trying to stop people from living in their cars. Times are getting tough and challenging for many people, and living in their cars is the only way to survive.
I believe everyone and anyone of the common class today will face at least some kind of emergency, whether it be their house burning down, unexpected moving of residence, tough economic times, temporary job loss, etc, and more often than not will need to be able to sleep in their car for any of these kinds of unexpected emergencies. For Tesla vehicles to be unreliable and unable to at least offer the basic feature of opening your car immediately and easily, regardless of any kind of basic minor electrical failures, is a sign of either an imprudent vehicle design or corruption.
Paying thousands of dollars to ask yourself everyday, “Will my brand new 2023 Tesla Model Y open today???,” is simply not worth it. I don’t know what other electric vehicle companies are like, but this is my experience and regrets with Tesla. My best advice is don’t buy electric vehicles and certainly do not buy a Tesla.
If electric vehicles give you more problems than internal combustible engine vehicles, then they are simply not worth it. The electric vehicle industry, especially Tesla, need to make certain basic features, such as opening your car, manually savvy and manually easy. If you can not open your brand new electric vehicle manually regardless of the electrical and software failure, that is a big problem, and the worst problem I have ever seen with the purchase of a brand new vehicle, especially if you are stuck in the middle of nowhere, and heavy rain doesn’t make it any easier. Again, paying thousands of dollars to ask yourself everyday, “Will my brand new 2023 Tesla Model Y open today???,” is just simply not worth it.
Moreover, Tesla designed a very poor protection in their vehicles from the invasion of mice and rats. Mice and rats can easily invade most Tesla vehicles, if not all, and chew up the electrical system and result in hundreds of dollars in damages. Some sources say that Tesla accidentally designed their wiring insulation with soy base and other plant base ingredients. This of course, is a possible factor for Tesla vehicles being a food attraction and nest attraction to mice and rats, but yet Tesla refuses to be held liable and accountable for their poor design in this area and claims that it is the consumers fault.
“Will I have to wait a week, two weeks, a month just to be able to open my 2023 Tesla Model Y?” Again, such real worries and real problems are just simply not worth it. Sorry Tesla, but you lost my trust and created nothing but problems and fear in my Tesla vehicle experience. Sorry Tesla, but never again.
All of you Tesla prospectors reading this response are very lucky that I was kind enough to share my experience with you, instead of being evil and letting you suffer through the same experience as well. Tesla is simply not worth it, not now at least. Tesla is really taking advantage of their costumers. I hope that Tesla can shape up and truly promise a good honest product in the near future, but until then, I certainly don’t recommend Tesla vehicles to anyone at this present time.
The camber issue is a problem (though note that you said “factory spec” and not actually using factory wheels. If this happens with factory wheels then it would be worthy of a recall) but also, the plaid is a toy. There’s cars twice the price with worse problems and worse performance.
This is what happens when you change wheels from stock with obviously different back spacing and lower the vehicle. It happens on most cars that are modified in this way.
That’s what I was thinking. He only mentioned it once.
@@lukeatmadik4644if it was a matter of weight then something else like a Chevy Tahoe would have the same problem. His wheels stick out more than the stock wheels do, so there is more leverage. He even said the camber is off. If he would put the stock wheels back on and have it at the normal ride height, the tires would last a lot longer.
You'd get fined here in Switzerland driving around with a wheel configuration like that. My Model S doesn't have this issue.
Did you miss the point where he said these are 100% factory spec wheels that you can option the car with?
The wheels are stock config, car is stock, car isn't lowered, it's just you didn't watch the video bro @daveragsdale7970 lmfao
I have a 2013 S P85+. It comes with 21” staggers. Looks nice but obviously it’s got the same rear tire issue, because you can’t swap them to the front. I ended up buying a used set of classic model S 19”s. No issue since…. Ride much smoother with less road noise.
And NOBODY but a full time race car driver could ever tell the diference in handling
This guy has spent more money on tires than I spent on my
2002 Lincoln Town Car that I bought in 2007. Seventeen years later, it's still my daily driver!!
You would think after spending $140,000 on this Tesla, you would get more than half of a steering wheel.
@franknew9001 😂🤣. I’m back to gas not going back to Tesla that’s for sure.
@ JustinJohnson-id1sl-- Almost everyone that I know that has an EV, has a spouse that has a gas car. They use the EV for shorter city runs and charge at home. They use the gas car for long trips.
At least a third of the miles that are on my car are from long trips, so I don't think that I would ever buy an EV.
The thing with gap insurance is if you wrecked your car your regular insurance would pay for an equivalent replacement car. You could continue to make your payments on $140,000 and have the $62,000 replacement car exactly the same as the one in this video because that is what it is worth.
Thank you Tesla for actually doing what you promise and reducing the price of your vehicles. 😍
@@howard5992 That's the average Tesla fanboy.
Any sane person would never ever buy a Tesla again after this.
There’s a reason why most people who buy a Tesla never buy another brand again, they’re far superior products.
@stevenrivers8386 Anecdotal evidence isn't really evidence big dog! Tesla easily has the highest customer satisfaction rating and repeat buyer rate, a quick google search of "tesla repeat buyers" and "tesla customer satisfaction" can save you a lot of heartache. Or,,, maybe just keep yelling over the internet, maybe it'll change people's minds, idk :)
@stevenrivers8386the dealerships were marketing them up by so much becuase they were popular. Now the cost of cars will plummet once it reaches the peak
@@lord_flashheart Any sane person would not take advice from this video.
In 2021 many cars were going for well over MSRP as dealers added 30%-50% for high demand vehicles. You aren’t comparing unseen dealer markup during that period.
Exactly, Tesla just added the mark up themselves instead of a dealer getting it.
IT nerds describing factory camber is hilarious
calling other people "IT nerds" how old are?
He is probably old enough to have a job as a tech where he has experienced -> through the process of having to work with engineers
@@pepechill8118he is probably old enough to have a job as a tech where he understands that IT and engineers are the ones that create problems and dont listen to the techs creating their design
@@pepechill8118" how old are? "????????????????????
Calling someone a nerd in 2024 is crazy work. You really got him with that one bud 🤓
Rich guy complains that his expensive car depreciated too fast and the tires were out with a 1000hp powertrain😂
and he's running high performance low profile tires. for a reason. he drives *vigorously*
lol loving it 😂
This guy is an idiot... this is like watching a comedy show. I can't stop laughing at his stupidity for buying a 140k car, LOL! That right there is stupid in its own right. If it were a Ferrari or something like that, then okay, but it's a freaking Tesla, Hahahahaha! Usually, I feel bad for people like him, but I just can't because of his sheer stupidity! Every single car depreciates the second you pull it off the lot!
ya this guy looks like he put aftermarket rims on the car too... and uses super low profile tires.. and acts surprised... bet if he went down a rim size and used meatier tires theyd last 20k-30k miles. dude is a dousche the way he even talks is annoying.
He’s owned Rolls Royces, Ferraris, Lamborghinis and he’s FINANCING a Tesla?!?! What in the world is going on here?
An avid car buyer, and doesn’t ask about gap insurance during a purchase. Could you imagine?
Rich guy problems, I guess... 🤷♂️
@@jasonl4571 Rich? With a car on finance, and super concerned about depreciation? This is somebody heavily in debt.
@@mikelovesbaconhe has a half a million cullinan hes not broke 🤦
@@mikelovesbaconlol I doubt he’s broke…he sound like he’s been rich since he’s been born.
Well never mind lol I just went to his RUclips. Buddy been doing millions of views for years 😂
Happended to my mothers Tesla model X within the first year.
Tesla service accused her of "aggressive driving"... only time I've seen her aggressive was when she responded to that claim in the service office
how can it be agresive driving when the inside is worn out..
Nonsense. I track my Tesla, have videos of me doing donuts and drifting, driving off road, and Tesla service has never once questioned anything with warranty claims.
Tires aren’t made by Tesla, and the S and X have an adjustable ride height. It’s not their responsibility if you drive around on the lowest ride height and don’t keep your car in alignment.
anecdotal fallacy
@stennan I got accused of the same thing by Tesla service 😂. Never getting another tesla again.
I bet you were smiling when you had the shiny newest thing on the block. Then all the kids got them and your toy didn’t seem so special anymore. Hard to feel sorry for a guy bragging about all his luxury car purchases.
@VehicleVirgins : Tesla may have deliberately set the camber to such a high negative angle because it greatly improves handling when cornering. But I can see why the rapid tire wear would be an issue. Basically, you decide whether you want an inexpensive car for transportation, or an expensive toy for fun driving. But most buyers would probably never research this particular point, which is what makes it dangerous.
Dude i had the exact same problem on my lowered Model 3 with 20inch rims. Went through 3 sets of rear tyres in 1 year. Finally installed adjustable cambers and toe arms with a good non-tesla alignment... problem gone.
Agreed just like I said... Industry standard...
Gas cars don't have this problem how much you spent turkey
You lowered it. You messed with the geometry.
I subscribe to the *"Wham Bamm Tesla Cam channel"* .
There is a lot of accidents where the Teslas hydroplane . A known heavy car loosing their grip while #ICE vehicles Whizz on by N/P.
Now I can understand how this happens.
With the wear being inside and people who is used to #ICE vehicles, not having to rotate their tires all that much. Yes , now I can understand the hydroplaning. 😳
Take out some of the batteries so it weighs less and get a camber kit and tyres Will last longer.
I test drove a Lexus GS-f today and your video made me feel good about potentially spending $40,000 on a bulletproof reliable 8 cylinder Lexus. I’ve never felt quite comfortable with Tesla.
I also like the 12 cylinder Toyota Century, what a wonderful car! 😁
Ya that's b/c tesla's suck. But elon bf's don't care.
@@humanonearth1 L😂L
The Great Elon lost one of his "boyfriends" in this video 😂
😂 This seems like *"The Toyota Corner"*
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Even when people do their homework, there is other crap 💩 that pops up that you didn't think about or know about.
I am thinking of getting a 2024 Toyota Tacoma, *_"but never buy the first series"_* .
So I will wait until the twenty twenty five's are on the dealership lots, and get one of those.
All negative issues should be addressed. 👌
Remember all the problems people had with the first series twenty twenty two Tundra 😳 🧐
@@humanonearth1 why do they suck?
Thanks! Finally someone tells the truth. On my Tesla P85D, almost $10,000 on tires to go 100,000 miles! That's why I did not buy a new Model S Plaid. I checked and sure enough 9 years later Tesla's Model S performance car STILL DOES NOT HAVE ADJUSTABLE REAR CAMBER ARMS! How can this be?
Totally had a rear tire blowout in my "S" on Malibu Canyon road one morning taking my kid to school. Exactly what you are showing here is what happened to me. A year later I had to put $4,200.00 into suspension work, broken control arm, and all new bushings. Can't afford to replace the two headlights that randomly turn off and I have to manually turn them off and back on while driving at night.
I’m so sorry to hear that. Unreal.
Yeah I had two S's they just had endless repairs for years, I dumped Tesla a few years ago it's just not worth it in the long run. Maybe the non-S models are better? Someone else can find out.
Greetings from Central Europe. Considering that the Tesla car company has maintained the status of the most defective brand in the world, including the worst workmanship, from the very first year of production, and it's been like this year after year, and the worst thing to choose is the S model, I have to ask: What are you surprised about? What did you expect? With all due respect = you got what you wanted, so enjoy it. If I didn't hear the same thing every year = what a disaster Tesla is, then I would feel sorry for Tesla owners, but I can't feel sorry for anyone like that.
@philjamison7893 dont you have warranty on the car ?
@@Mijanboy I am not sorry for Tesla owners because they are mostly dicks who brag they drive a Tesla
To be fair if you can afford a Rolls Royce Cullinan then you probably live with the 40% price drop and 8000 km tyre changes but am deeply appreciative of your vlog as I could never justify spending endless money and parting with my beloved 16 yr old Hyundai i30.
But then you cant make a yt vid bleating like a woman about how unfair it all is.
Everyone knew the value would plummet due to how quickly EVs are advancing.
Its almost as if buying a car brand new instead of second hand is the most well known waste of money
"i just went to a race and my tyre started to lose air rapidly but yeah I don't race my car"
I know what a 🤡
I think for Tesla cars it makes more sense to lease. That way you're not stuck with a huge loan in the event of a sudden price drop and can upgrade every few years to the latest model!
Leasing cars from US dealers is a very bad idea - unless you've got money to burn.
I think for Tesla cars it makes more sense to avoid haha. If you want to drive one find a sucker who overpaid for a rattlebox and have them take you for a ride in theirs.
I just checked leasing ,not bad but insurance is crazy as you need full coverage and not cheap.
Look into cars with better build quality and reliability. High-end luxury cars are over engineered and prone to expensive problems.
@@AmitPatel-vp2ev I have a Type R and am highly satisfied with it haha. And I paid 31k for it (gently used with a lot of goodies) at the start of 2020 (pre-pandemic) and it's now worth 30k. (obvi inflation happened in the meantime). Still ridic for what you get compared to some Teslas which lost half their value in a year.
This has been another episode of First World Problems.
Tune in next week where we discuss what to do when your maid calls out sick.
Comment of the day :)
Not really. In the US, many buy cars they actually can't afford and take out huge loans on them - to them, having > 30 k $ negative equity in a car can be serious trouble.
The problems of accelerated depreciation after the manufacturers cut prices isn't new. It probably goes back to the golden days of the Ford Model T when ole' Henry lowered prices whenever some innovation would reduce production costs by a few bucks.
In Europe, FIAT did pretty much the same with most of their mass models in the 2000s and 2010s. Initially, they advertised New models like a must-have fashion article and when demand dwindled, sharply lowered prices to maintain sales - with early buyers ending up holding cars much longer than they would have liked to.
Comment of the year lmao. Guy with a 130k car bitching about its value dropping and maintenance costs. I can’t…
@@doomsday9973 You could - if you were imprudent enough to buy one on borrowed money.
Don't assume that people buying a 130,000 $ car can afford to do so. Many who do can't - and with 30 k $ negative equity in play, theft or an accident can be ruin.
@@notroll1279 this guy is not one of those people lol. That’s who I’m referring to.
Almost everyone who bought in 2021 paid more - most at dealerships that charged 10k+ called a market adjustment. Definitely more a timing issue than anything else. i agree that 5k on a set of tires is ridiculous though - glad you pointed that out. Hopefully Tesla addresses this issue. On higher speck cars in your price range they would sell for 30k or more over MSRP so your pretty close to everyone else. It was a good time to hold off, but you have also generated revenue through your videos on youtube so hopefully this helped you recoup some of the costs of the depreciation.
thats not a timing issue. only tesla does this.
i'm negative 30 grand on my plaid, i'm stuck with it
@@Van-life-4-Jesus thanks to elon
@@deficator750 There was a price drop, but EVERYONE was paying more for cars in 2021, new or used, EV or ICE. Dealers were charging insane markups.
Tesla is doing the right thing by reducing price.
Use OEM tires and rims and get your alignment set by Tesla and maintain air pressure as mentioned by manufacture
You must be fun at parties.
@@paulpieper4356 and you must be boring af
one of Tesla’s alt accoumt
@@Furiousbanner Tesla has millions of them. but they have effective marketing to brainwash millions more of mindless drones. highly effective. the rims and tires are OEM. He said it in the video.
@@paulpieper4356you must be compensating for something
My Plaid with the 19s hasn’t had any of those issues in 35k miles. My yoke peal is the only issue I’ve had in 2 years. Love the car but the price cuts do suck big time for people like us that paid full price 😩
Allah ensures, dont worry.
nice for me i’m about to pick one up or maybe wait little longer see if they drop even more 😂 basically saved myself half the cost just by being patient, worth it.
You plaid double
You didn't pay full price, you over paid for a tweaked Model S.
You got your 15 minutes , I also would like to buy a toy that became an instant clasic and sky rockets in value.
100% agreed, and is not a new thing at all. I bought a 2014 Model S 85, $114k at the time. Went through tires like a mofo, and not only the drive tires, the fronts too. Was changing out tires every 7k miles. I happened to get lucky and notice because I stuck my hand on the inner edge of the tire, just by chance while inspecting and caught a metal thread in my finger from the ripped up tire about to fail. Got sick of the car and got rid of it 2 years later.
I have a 2017 model s 90d with 106k miles and just purchased my 3rd set of tires. If one drives hard, expect to go through tires faster.
@@shou635you'd expect to go through tire faster, but not every 7k miles...
Tesla model X plaid 2022 owner and like so many others I’ve seen the car depreciate by about 30 grand and in less than two years I’ve owned it. Besides the fact that you don’t get the advertised mileage, I’ve dealt with a plethora of issues with the car breaking down so much to point where I’m returning the car under lemon law. Tesla offered to Repurchase the vehicle. Luckily, I’m receiving all my money back l, minus the PPF install and winter tires that I had to purchase because it just comes with the worst possible tires for winter weather in my opinion… Taking long trips to Vermont and I’m a snowboarder so yes, winter tires is a necessity. I do love the technology of a Tesla. I think they’re amazing cars, but in terms of range, they are just not quite there yet. I’d rather put gas in a car for five minutes than have to wait 20 minutes plus to charge my car each time on long trips… Time is money and there’s been times I probably get about 250 miles if that on an average of a 315 mile range that Tesla claims… That is just not good enough for me I read online somewhere by someone who put it quite well, Tesla is a rich man’s second car.
Imagine you have this kind of experience with this company and still went ahead to pre-order the first-generation cyber truck. Honestly, as normal sane person, my first thought is either i don't believe his true frustration with his current car experience or this guy is so freaking rich and insane.
Amen!
Or just plain stupid, lacking all smarts and common sense. 10K in tires in 25,000 miles, duh, you have a LEMON or a vehicle. I We will never own an electric car, not until the grid is everywhere, maybe 2099 ? Cybertruck > Lots of Honda copy, the suspension, the under bed trunk and more. But wait, there are few delivered and few proven to be reliable. Not only is it an electric truck, it will get stranded without many charging stations and is not made to float. Deep mud nd soft sand, forget it.. FAIL
Imagine - all the horrible things that Elon has done and said since this guy bought the car and his main complaint is that it is costing him money because the price on the new cars has put him underwater. I assume that he can not see past the nose on his face.
We are budgeting and saving for an EV. I like the APP for Tesla more then the competitors, but I can not trust anything that they say - and that is a deal breaker.
Rented a MY and an Ioniq 5 for a week and enjoyed both of them - but Tesla has them beat on the charging front.
No. He is a content creator. He knows tens of thousands of potential views await him once he starts YT videos about his CT.
It's called business expense .he buys them to create content on RUclips and generate views.
We seen your videos, and we know damn well did you’re racing that plaid drifting burning tires and all types of crazy shit in that plaid.
I can second all of this 😂 although I switched to 19s and tire life is a peach.. still not ok. Great car, super convenient, got smashed on depreciation 😂
So you don't have the issue on the 19's? I actually have an order in for a new plaid and went with the 19's cause I figured the tire price alone would be annoying for the 21's, didn't even know about this issue. I drive a lot so if I have to change tires every 5k miles it would be basically every 1.5 months or so lol
yeah not a single issues on the 19s@@esk1mo
7k miles Plaid on my 19s, all good.
Pissssssssed about the depreciation, worst ever. Most likely cancel my Cybertruck Beast since they screw us over in price drops
Quit whining and keep the car,why should someone else buy your discards.
@TrackSlayers All hail the king of the ring! Show your respect to this man everyone. Mans has the world record for the nurburgring lap time and daily drives a plaid. envious
Does the camber issue remain today? Does the issue apply only to the 19" Tempest wheels? Some online forums claim the issue applies only to the 21" wheels, but they provide no evidence, and camber settings don't care about wheels, right?
Tesla's price drops have affected the entire EV market. So is the solution to the tire issue installing adjustable control arms so that camber isn't fixed?? Seems like a straight forward fix.
Yes, but instead of installing N2itive camber arms, Parker choose to only install the drop links they offered him free for advertising, which made the issue worse. Then he turns around and acts surprised and crys about it.
Won’t work, the car needs the aggressive camber because of how much it weighs. Tires contact patch increases as weight transfers to outside wheels in corner, less aggressive camber would decrease grip as tires load up. That is very bad.
@jacobd1432 it just won't corner as well bro
You are way off. Having full contact and even wear is logical.
Aggressive camber is for racing.
The car will handle the weight evenly now and not just under cornering.
Genius
Lmao
@@cuinican1980 brother this thing weighs as much as a gothic cathedral. An even contact patch on a car this heavy with this suspension on tires this wide is going to turn the camber positive in any slightly aggressive driving. Oh no a deer! Lemme swerve so I can… well I guess spinning off the road into a forest at 70 mph is nice this time of day.
@jacobd1432 Bro, im 43 , I was a manager for Firestone in my 20's for 7 years. My Brother has a speed shop in Tampa Florida. Called Induction Performance, we specialize in GTR and Supras and anything with Turbos and Super Chargers.
You Sir are 100% wrong. The aggressive camber helps with handling. Just because you have a 305, 295, 335 size tire means you have more tire.
If I take any vehicle and cha he the settings with a camber kit. I can get more contact on the street. Therefore more rubber more grip hitting the pavement. The only thing this will change is the ability to take a corner 'faster'. That's it, only change it does. My wear on my tire is more even. Supports the weight 'BETTER' because the weight is distributed by the entire width of the tire now. Not just the inner edges.
You not only wrong you are wrong about your entire thought process. You literally think this even holds the weight better.
Doesn't matter the car weighs 5k. Having camber and toe set properly. Turns you into a Cadillac. Nice and smooth and stable.
You want to take turns on the track in track mode. Change the tires and rims out. With your set of racing cup tires at the ready. Adjust your camber for the corners. Have some fun.
When your done, switch back the rims to your driving rims and tires. Adjust the camber back. You have a Cadillac again.
I own a Model S performance as well as a Model S Plaid. I also own a ZR1 corvette as well as a Shelby GT500 SuperSnake.
You Sir, are a boy. Boys don't like learning from Men. It's how I was when I was 16 years old. I thought I knew it all.
I'm Audi5000G,
God Bless Stay Safe
You kept it for two years…. For a guy that can afford to change cars I’d say the fact you kept it means it’s great
He's just a whining little girl who couldn't wait for prices to drop but elected to pay the higher price that's common with new model electronics. It's called recoup cost just like a new brand TV and new medicines. The companies always have to recoup the upfront design and engineering cost. 🤷♂️
Tesla was never well known for build quality, handling or vehicle dynamics. Just being electric and going quickly in a straight line. I’m guessing as more people catch on about this, the depreciation will get worse and worse….which we’re starting to see now.
Facts
it has more features, and the autopilot (which other cars do have, but they are far more expensive)
Buy a Maserati and then you will understand how lucky you were with Tesla
correction...it's price is 62 grand, and you owe 100k + interest. Some of you need to look at an amortization chart sometime and see that you are paying at least double the loan amount when you add in interest. Loans are always a bad idea.
Taking Tesla's loan option seems beneficial to me because in my case I would invest the money that I would be temporarily saving for that purchase.
If you take right now the Model X Plaid for example, you have to put down roughly $15k-$20k, and pay ~$1,250 a month over 8 years (so $120,000 over 8 years). The total cost will be about 22% higher than purchasing it in one go (so $33k more, which is not double at all btw, no idea where you got that from), but you can make a hell of a lot more than $33k within 8 years by investing the $120,000 you don't spend immediately.
So loans are a blessing if you know how to invest.
Double the loan? I think your math is very off 😂
The other thing about Tesla, like no other manufacturer. Is within a model year, they are making improvements. So the year you bought, costs probably were a lot more. As they improve manufacturing and costs come down, they can reduce the vehicle price.
That seems less of an issue as the tire problem.
As for gap insurance. I didn't think they ever offered that at the bank. That is something you talk to your auto insurance company about (at least that is how I've always understood it).
You've got two major problems. First is the Michelin Latitude Sport tires are defective and not designed for the weight. In this case, it's not the camber but cornering that does the inside edges in. The second problem is the rear camber is -2.4 to -2.5 degrees in low (not very low) on all S/X refresh...not just Plaid. You can fix this with aftermarket upper arms or shims. The shims weren't possible before the refresh because the upper arms pre-refresh attached to the cradle with tabs rather than laterally with bolts like they do on the refresh. Agree tesla really needs to fix this. It was also bad pre-refresh but it's even worse now. My X Plaid had exactly the same inner edge wear at 10K miles despite the tread across the tire being almost evenly worn.
so you are saying its his fault not Tesla's? lol
@@Ferengi23 Nope. Just saying what he can do to fix this mess of a problem.
Oh ok it is really a bad design and parts use from Tesla. That confirms that fact that they are great in launching rocket. But when it comes to make quality cars, they have never succeeded, very much the same for all american manufacturers unfortunately
@@conglin6965 The design is actually very good but their choice of fixed alignment values was picked for track performance so they could get those crazy record lap times on stock unmodified cars. Unfortunately those values are not the best for tire wear. Half the problem is simply the tire itself which is why they ditched the Latitudes finally.
@@sorka95032 oh ok , thanks for the technical explanation. 👍🏼
I owned a Tesla Model X from 2016-2021, the best car in 40 years, no issues, no range anxiety, no charging in the cold problems, the Falcon Doors worked flawless. The Tesla X saved my life going 65 mph in Kansas City on 435 south loop. A very large Church like chair fell from the back of a truck. I did not have time to respond but guess what, the car steered left to avoid the chair crashing into my windshield and likely severely injuring me or worse. Then steered back into the original lane to avoid a car to my left rear blind spot. There no amount of features better than collision avoidance. For Tesla its routine to help its drivers, its built into the design of this EV
Was that Autopilot or Full Self Driving?
dont feel bad, you are not alone, many people got buried buying cars the last 4 years, they were paying way over sticker "their own fault" and now they are so far under water that their options are very limited. you really cant blame tesla, they were selling them for what people were willing to pay for them at the time and that has changed so they have no other option but to lower the price. its the market, not tesla.
The Tesla parts upsell scam was definately Tesla's decision
@@SVEVelsen upsell scam? People wanted to buy them like crazy, they couldn't make as many to cover the demand, so they did what any other sane person owning a business would do, raise the prices to the max, as much as people are willing to pay.
It's not a scam, people just wanted to buy it so badly they paid a shit ton of money, it's the people in the wrong, not Tesla.
This is the mentality that got my country (argentina) to such a huge inflation, nobody ever looks for prices and always pay whatever the stores are selling their stuff for, they can't just not buy the thing and wait for the prices to drop.
Yep
sure you can blame Tesla for demanding overly high prices the last years...
The tire issue should be a class action against tesla. 5000miles and tyres failure in one of the fastest cars ever.. Musk is a conman as far as lm concerned..engineering genius..be real!!
Totally understand your frustration. End of 2021 was a terrible time to buy a car, even though rates were so low. Used car prices were super inflated at the time, as well. On the flip side, there were a number of people who ordered Plaids when the price was $110k, but then got delivered when they were $130k but were locked into their original price, so they probably felt pretty happy then, and now their cars are down a more reasonable percentage from their purchase price. For me, a current model 3 owner, and former S owner, who wants to get back into an S, this drop is a blessing because used S prices are going to drop as well, allowing me to get much more car for my money.
When looking for a used model S I'd take this tire issue into account.
I think they fixed that issue with newer ones. They reworked suspension and frame. Also making it perform better on track.
Stay away from the used p85's
@@zbirdmusic Why is that? I was thinking at least a 100D, or P100D, or the newer 2020 Dual Motor.
Greetings from Europe. Unfortunately I can't say if this is 100% true, but it is a fact that here in Europe people are talking a lot about the Model 3 made in China and made in Germany. The difference in quality is said to be striking, and you will also pay 5,000 to 8,000 euros more for a new piece made in Germany than for a piece made in China.
I ordered my Plaid when ordering first started. The initial price was $120k, not $110k and then Tesla raised it to $130k at the Plaid event in June 2021. I got locked in at $120k even though the car was $10k more expensive when I picked mine up in Aug 2021.
I am definitely disappointed that the price dropped after I had bought a M3 in 2020, but at the same time, I'm also happy because it means that the same care is more accessible and is even more reasonably priced. It just means that when my current one dies or gives out, I can get whatever the newer one is at a better price and likely with more kinks and bugs worked out.
What really happens is production of the car gets more efficient and they lower the price because they can now supply much more, it’s a way of controlling supply & demand which is great but obviously flawed
@@DemonTied not flawed, the same thing happens with all tech, the first gen cell phone costs a ton, 3 years down the road it's cheep and the kinks have been worked out.
it would be flawed if when they reduce the production costs and didn't pass on those savings to customers, you always pay a premium to have the first batch.
@@robgilmour3147 in terms of the car market this would never happen, if anything car prices only go up. I mean I think it’s great because it made it possible for me to get a MYP but I’m sure the early adopters don’t think it was so great. I get what you mean though but it’s just an objectively controversial move on teslas part, benefitted many people (including themselves cuz more yearly sales) but also massively devalued it for many people as well. Imagine you buy a $75,000 2021 car and a few years later you’d be lucky to get 28k out of it, must suck lol
I'm 63 and I haven't spent $10,000.00 on tires in my WHOLE life. My current car a Ford 2016 Explorer that is an 4WD model with 89,000 + ml and it's still on it factory tires. Here in Miami some people are only getting 700 to a 1000 miles on a set of EV tires. It seems the rubber compound doesn't like the hot Florida roads.
buy the right treadwear tires. i buy continental sports i used to buy for my high hp bmws and put it on my tesla awd lr and so far so good.
They Hot Rod the Tesla because they never had a fast car before! Mostly Young Punks Blowing their money what little they have after rent and Beer
The money they save by not buying gasoline is used to buy new tires every 3 months. There's always a catch.
Na! Just punk lead foots! I got over 50,000 on my tires on a Tesla! I’m 73 and don’t drive like a shit head!
I 100% support you Parker, and will continue to support you, but as an early investor in the company, you’re forgetting one of the biggest points here, the cost of battery manufacturing and battery technology in general has changed drastically over the years.
I paid $173,000 for my 2017 Tesla Model X P100D. At the time that was the fastest model available and it was fully loaded. Most people don’t even believe me when I tell them I paid that much. (Even though I still have the window sticker)
As an original early adopter in the technology, and you being able to have the vehicle first before anyone else, we pay the price. I had mine before anyone and I was super excited to be able to smash on any cars out there and have a 0 to 60 of 2.7 seconds in a 6,000lb SUV.
Naturally, as technology gets better and batteries become more available to provide higher mileage and more performance, the price is going to come down. At the end of the day, you have to remember that it’s not really a car, but more like a computer.
Thanks man. While it’s true batteries have gotten cheaper, the F150 lightning, Rivian and Taycan have maintained their msrps to respect their customers. The Taycan has increased in price by $5k since 2021, not decreased by 42k
@@VehicleVirgins You already knew that Tesla isn't like the legacy automakers, so you can't compare them.
@@VehicleVirgins yeah but like stated above, you can’t compare TESLA to Legacy auto manufacturers cause it’s completely different. The whole game plan from Elon was to bring sustainable electric vehicles to the market that people can afford and this is all part of his original plan that he wrote up bringing the pricing down to an affordable level.
On top of that, pricing has come down due to the overall cost of battery technology coming down as well.
@@VehicleVirginslol. It appears you are complaining about the company following their mission statement which is to consistently make the cars more affordable therefor expediting the transition to renewable energy. There are countless people in this thread that have experienced the price drops. It also appears you just have no clue what is happening in the macro scheme of things and how all the other automakers are doing.
Everything you covered in this video are good points other than the price drop. They were trying to figure out what good pricing is for their car and adjusted it accordingly after 2 years. This is totally fine, and it's the price you pay for getting the newest of the new tech. You are basically beta testing a hype product the second it comes out. The tire issue is very serious however and needs to be fixed.
This could be true if there weren’t price drops for their whole like up. I’m in the whole 20k and I have the model Y. And that’s not counting depreciation. I bought it for 62k and now they’re selling at 40k. It’s not just the model S
@AilecMusic
Why would anyone buy that brand? How can you trust them anymore? How do you know they won't drop the price radically again?
@@anttij2973 Teslas are still selling like hotcakes brand new so I don't know what you are talking about. The Plaid was a new model lineup / edition to the S model line and thus they were seeing how the market accepted their initial pricing. I assume they adjusted it based on demand and sales potential if they reduced it.
@@dyrandoms sucks to be you. You didn't value your money enough to wait for the price drops, being that they were clearly too expensive and since the very first year they were talking about making manufacturing more efficient to sell for cheaper, as their goal was always to make cars affordable enough to replace regular gas vehicles.
This is just common sense, and you lacked some of it.
@@rRekkoHow could he wait for price drops that weren’t told to the public or employees? That happened in the morning and Tesla employees would wake up to the news?
Sorry, I used to love your videos, but this one is just ridiculous. Being an early adopter of the world’s first premium sedan priced hyper-car, then crying out because of the recent price drop is just childish. As a Tesla investor you should have known Tesla is scaling up production of every model by letting it partially finance by early adopters. It was the case with the early model S, X, both S and X performance versions, even with the model 3 performance. Why should it be different with the Plaid. On the other hand, talking about alternatives to the Plaid, there are literally none. No premium priced sedan with hyper-car performances. You could alternatively go for fully speced “slow” Amgs and Bmw M, which all cost more than the Plaid, however they all have close to 50% depreciation in two years time regardless of new car price development. At least in Germany you can’t sell a fully speced two years old E 63 Amg for more than a 50-55% of a new one, for a simple reason, coz. more than 90% of those cars are leased, and only very few people would actually buy it.
Regarding tire wear, it seems you keep forgetting you drive a 1000+ hp car with hypercar performances. This car’s performances are only comparable to something like Bugatti Veyron, however Bugatti is a pure two seater hypercar, and it’s suspension is set to be used on track. Contrary to that, Plaid is a comfortable sedan which needs to provide decent comfort comparable to that of an E class Mercedes or 5 series Bmw. Those are completely opposite requirements when comes to suspension settings. On top of that, Plaid comes standard with an height adjustable air suspension, meaning actual camber is being changed considerably between the two extremes, the lowest and the highest suspension setting. And here comes the catch, while the car needs to provide reasonable camber also in its highest suspension setting in order to ensure safe road holding when all 1000+ hp are released in a curve, in its lowest setting the camber will of course be more extreme which would lead to a higher tire wear. But that’s the case with all powerful premium sedans which need to provide decent wheel travel. It had been the case with all my Bmws M, and it’s apparently even worse with Audis RS. It’s also the case with my Plaid, but far from that what I have experienced with M cars. now, it again depends on your air suspension settings. I usually set mine to the middle setting. However, it seems you permanently use the lowest suspension setting, and it looks like you have even lowered the suspension on your Plaid. This of course increases the camber again and causes excessive tire wear. On top of this, the tires you are using are way to wide, there’s literally no space between the tire and the fender left. In Germany that’s not permitted and the car would lose driving permission.
Hopefully this video was meant as a joke, it simply does not comply with the professionalism you have been providing through the years.
I think he was pushed on doing this video.
@@ricardosimon1975
Also there’s no denying that because content consumers love to rag on Tesla as of late, especially so called “car enthusiasts”, content creators are incentivized to make content that criticizes Tesla.
Hmmm, I have a '20 Tesla MS LP+ with 30K miles, yet to replace tires. Comes with free SC charging for life of ownership. No complaints, great car, best I've ever driven. I used to be hot rodder in my youth.
I'm pretty sure those rims you are running aren't OEM. You can even see those rims don't fit the car, why would you still run with them? No wonder you'll get tire issues. Also if the camber is an issue, get it aligned properly. About the depreciation, nobody told you the car wasn't gonna depreciate in value so why would you cry about it.
He said they're factory rims.
@@australienski6687 those aren't lol
@@matthijspijpker What brand are they then?
@@australienski6687 The look like AG I think AGL75
That sucks that the values dropped so harshly after you bought, but I'm super glad the prices are coming down
I bought my NEW 2019 Model 3 for 35K. Now CarMax offer me 27K after 4 Years with 25K miles Very good Deal for Model 3. Only lost a little money.
All cars lose money because they are inherently depreciating assets.
@@Resist4 Fake News : old Bmw Z4M coupe kept it's value, Porsche GT3RS always increase their value, Porsche 930 Turbo, same for Porsche GT4 and Porsche 718 Spyder, Ford GT 2005, Ford GT 2022, Lancia Delta Integrale HF and enough other wanted cars. Cars that depreciate in value are cars that most people do not desire. A 1980s Lancia Delta Intergrale HF with Martini Colors was 40k back in the days now it is way over 150k.
@@THEREALZENFORCE Don't throw out that Trump fake news line. Very few cars every appreciate, that's why I said inherently they are depreciating assets. In fact, financial advisors will say the same thing.
@@Resist4 Google the prices on the used car market then to see that i am correct.
Compare it to the value losses of 5 to 10 year old Tesla cars.
@@THEREALZENFORCEthose are the exceptions. 99% of cars depreciate, and you also can’t predict which cars won’t
"Fools rush in" rushing in to buy the first of something often has its drawbacks. Waiting and seeing the problems then deciding is generally more beneficial. This is for most things in life.
I agree, just like most stocks. It is a mistake to buy an IPO hype
I haven't had the tire issue at all with my Tesla S Plaid, but I have the base OEM 19inch wheels and all-season tires. This must only be an issue with the 21 inch wheel option.
The insane price drops is what's been getting me. The car is at least fun and crazy fast, but like Parker I now HATE Tesla.
I was able to get GAP through my insurance company for $80 per year.
its a 21" wheel / performance tire thing
Right there with you brother; will NEVER buy another Tesla. Love my Plaid but despise Tesla
I’ll buy the plaid with that discount this is good for new customers.
My 2013 p85+ with 21" at least initially burned through inside edges in 10k miles. The problem isn't as severe as it used to be. Not sure if it's due to a different variant of Michelins I'm using on them now.
That said, the price thing sucks, but the entire car market was over priced in 2021, and tesla specifically was fighting through supply constraints. Used cars were selling above the cost of new cars then. Things have changed.
@@Matt.e_Blackwhat's your next car gonna be?
Anyone know if these tire issues also exist with the model 3?
As far as the price drop causing your car to be worth less, while that definitely sucks, if you can afford a $140,000 car, I am not sure how bad I can feel for you.
The factory tires on my 2019 model 3 lasted 53k miles. I replaced them with the hardest rubber I could find and those tires are about worn out at 144k miles. The issue is the auto adjusting air suspension on the model S. Model 3 and Y don't have that issue.
Any model I think is flawed, just don't buy this brand, quality is just bad, our X and S had many failures, everything is just falling apart after a year.
It does not, it only effects S/X that run 295 or wider
My model Y is fine after 2 yrs, almost no tire wear
Just because you buy an expensive car doesn’t mean you’re any less aware of the value you’re getting for your money
Solution: follow guidance to use chill mode and medium suspension setting for all city driving and then lower at 60 mph. This will fix your issue.
He lowered the stock suspension too lol
Why spend over 100K to use chill mode??? Just buy a performance model 3 half the price.
I did this...didn't work. Tires still wore out at 5k miles.
saw the like/dislike ratio and knew this was gonna be good lol
The tire issue is life-threatening, but the depreciation you can get over.
that isn't depreciation per se, they dropped the new car price
It's commonSENSE it will devalue
Devalues because the brand is too cheap to upgrade the body style even after 10 years!
Devalues becuz other big hitters are releasing luxury evcars full of outstanding tech like Mercedes
I recommend buying a Bugatti Veyron = it will train you perfectly on the topic of tires. You'll just have to watch...
So, a tech bro complaining about his tech bro issues? "I floor it regularly, but want my regular tires to last for years."
It’s not about that. Even if you floor it all the time, it shouldn’t eat a set of tires every 5k miles.
@@unconventionalideas5683 Electric produces torque like you haven't seen in your life. Take a ride you'll understand.
Looking healthy man, been a while since I watched one of your videos. In regards to the video, you can usually get gap insurance through your automobile insurance (and it is usually way cheaper). Speaking of the lower price, just look at it like you were rich enough to buy it before the drop. 99% of the people out there cannot even buy it at the lower price if it makes you feel better (in other words not many people are going to cry tears for someone in the 1% complaining about losing some money).
So true....
healthy? hes balding
We bought our first Tesla Y just before the price drops started in 2022, and while slightly frustrating, it's always been part of Tesla's masterplan, and it doesn't stop me from wanting to continue buying Tesla's. It's an EV land grab for volume and Tesla has plenty of room in their margins to drop prices in order to maintain selling what they produce. The internal combustion vehicle production process has fully extracted all material efficiencies from the process, which is why you don't see manufactures dropping prices like Tesla can.
This isn't just a Plaid or even a Model S issue. I've been driving Tesla Model S and X variants since 2015. The tyre wear issue has been a problem since day one on both the S and the X. The X wears the inner edge on the rears, the S wears the front outer edges. Cars are as perfectly aligned as it is possible to get with the limited range of adjustment available and tyre pressures are per manufacturer. I'm lucky to get 10,000km's of normal commuting out of a set on either X or S. The price drops have also been an issue since at least 2017.
You need a bottle of wine to go along with this, for relaxing purposes only... hehe
He probably had so many and then came out in frustration 😂
Had the tyre issue in my model s p100d too, price drops are weird and just push off loyal customers.
I keep mine due to free supercharging and needing to travel to regional area regularly.
Would rather a 992 911t but can’t be bothered.
If there wasnt a price drop I wouldnt be driving a Tesla now, and sometimes you have to pay to play early in the game. It sucks but you got to experience the awesome car early but on the other side had to pay the steeper price.
Had the exact same problem in my Chevy Volt, just buy 4 tires once, you never rotate the tires ever, you just need to replace the 2 front tires , twice a year… problem solved, don’t rotate tires ever, back tires stay brand new forever
By the way, I upgraded to the Tesla Model 3 long range, I know that I will have this problem with any electric vehicle, save yourself this tire flaw, never rotate tires, big mistake, buying 2 tires is a lot easier than replacing 4 ❤❤❤😂😂😂 and now you know!! 😅
When the Plaid came out it was a one of a kind vehicle as far as performance, and Tesla had control of the EV market. People were paying significantly over MSRP for low mileage used Plaids for a while. Tesla charged what they did because people were willingly buying them. Now the EV market is much more saturated and there is more competition. Tesla had to cut prices to maintain sales. Simple as that.
Its unfortunate for owners who bought a while ago, but that's the price you pay for buying almost anything when it is new and cutting edge. Eventually everyone else gets in on it and prices have to come down.
One of a kind performer? The M4 xDrive with an "over the air update" runs in the 9s too. Plenty of cars have been running those times before
"I bought a Rolls Royce, I know cars aren't investments. I'm still complaining about a price drop even when I said I wouldn't complain."
It’s not only with the plaid. I had the same on the p85D model s and on our model X p100D
We changed the arms and got some aftermarket rubbers combine with a bit offset tire set, that helps.
When set tire settings r calibrated with the air suspension on low it’s a bit better two
This should not be something the costumer has to handle. Name another company that has so much negative camber it destroys tires?
for the 1st time I'm considering buying a Model X & changing my superb 2015 Mercedes ML which has been brilliant, great video !
My 2021 Plaid has 19" wheels with 12,000 miles 3 track days and autocross and my tires are fine. The price drop sucked but this is not a problem for new owners. They are getting the deal of their lifetime right now and I would advise them to get one. 2021 Taycan Turbo S were 220k with a few options and they are selling for 150k. Yeah I am not happy about the price drop either.
I regret not getting the 19s
@@VehicleVirgins Hey, I agree with you I paid $136k and we didn't get the tilting screen and the steam gaming capability. Tesla should give us even trade-ins/at no cost for 2023 Plaids or some kind of rebate or enable full FSD for free which is zero cost for them.
@@juanmedinar20dont be lazy sell your car elsewhere!! I want your wheels
@@VehicleVirgins Why did you think getting the larger wheels was a good idea? Low profile large wheels need to go away and never come back. They will wear out quicker, can be more easily damaged and drastically reduce range.
EXCEPT, the stock 19's look soooo gay! Like a 16 yr-old, pimple-faced dork on a first date. IF that's what you want to see everyday, go for it!@@Resist4
The price of the car is falling because Tesla optimizes their production of the cars like no other manufacturer in the world. This is their main focus. Tesla also claimed it for many years that their focus is to make EVs affordable. They are also doing it across their whole lineup of models, not just the top spec cars.
The car you bought cost much more to make than the same car which is built today, so Tesla is probably adjusting the price to keep similar profit margins. Take any other manufacturer and they probably would have kept the price to take all that extra profit margins away from the customers.
Even if you payed more than what it cost today, that car is still outperforming other cars which cost 10x more, so is it really a big deal? You also made a lot of videos using that vehicle which probably payed off for that difference in price already. At that time you bought it, it was also the only car with such specs, so you payed for exclusivity. People who buy high tech gadgets first always overpay several times more than what the same gadgets cost later after mass adoption. For example, compare it to buying some large size fancy TV screen today and then 2 years later and its price will probably drop similarly like this Tesla
I absolutely agree with you! You paid for exclusivity and I applaud Tesla for lowering their prices and allowing consumers to get into their vehicles at lower prices. Any other manufacturer would have 100% pocketed the extra profit. I can't believe people are annoyed at a product going down in price. I say this as a model 3 performance owner. I'm happy others can get into the vehicles at a lower price.
This is complete nonsense
Ya new tech always cost more to produce in the beginning. But I agree that the 21” tyre options need to be looked into to improve usability.
@@jordanchopra5038
Dude, anyone who works in the auto industry would tell you ONLY Tesla fanboys are OK with what Tesla did. Don't forget they raised their prices over the last couple years and then went ahead and dropped the price of Model Y's 14K ya know their number one selling car. They are no longer a startup. They are the most valuable car company in the world. They don't get a pass for screwing over hundreds of thousands of customers out of billions of dollars. Not to mention they stay profitable due to tax incentives and continue to ask the GOV for more money to build EV infrastructure for their semi's. All while their rest of industry made their own investments.
Tesla's are the new Chrysler 200. If you pull up to a lot to trade your car in. GOOOOD LUCK unless you have 15K in your pocket to cover the negative equity.
Exactly on point! 💯
From the model S manual:
Tesla recommends rotating the tires every 6,250 miles (10,000 km) or if tread depth difference is 2/32 in (1.5 mm) or greater, whichever comes first.
Tire rotation is an essential part of tire maintenance. It helps maintain an even treadwear pattern which enhances the tire's overall wear quality, decreases road noise and maximizes tire life.
Vehicles with staggered wheels and non-directional tires can be rotated side-to-side (left-to-right) but not front-to-back as the front and rear tire size is different. Left-to-right rotation can increase tread life by changing the direction of rotation for each tire and balancing shoulder wear.
I still love my model 3 and it has saved me tons of money! It is totally worth it if you are tired of spending monthly gas payments often over $200.
It’s no different than any other new technology. They are always super pricey at first…. Then they drop with more production
What other car has dropped their MSRP 30%? I've never seen it. Theres a big difference between an $800 phone and a $140,000 car. Even still Apple INCREASES their price of the iphone every release
There is no new technology in a Tesla. They are terrible at building basic car technology that has been around for decades.
@@VehicleVirginsEXACTLY
@@ethan424040I guess Autopilot and carbon-sleeved electric motors is old technology, to say nothing of building the quickest acceleration car in the world short of a Rimac Nevera
@@VehicleVirgins you knew Tesla was not like every other car company and they want to make EV's affordable to the masses. Note to self...stop buying cars costing over $100,000. And the GAP insurance thing is something you should have. known about prior to financing the car.
Tesla is a new manufacturer. As they streamline their processes and optimize production, cost will come down. They did not make 40% when they initially sold the car. Battery tech and everything has come down a lot in prices. Tesla is adjusting their prices partly due to lower cost of production.
To be fair, at the time you bought the car, the car market was insanely high priced. Used Teslas were going for 10-20% over be price. There are tons of people who sold teslas at a profit. It was just an insane time, and it seems tesla has had costs come down and adapted their prices from a time when costs were extra high, which somewhat inflated the prices back then.
The tire, however, isn't a new issue. I've had a 2013 p85+ for a decade. It has had similar wear, and I've gone through rear tires relatively quickly. That said, the lack of other maintenance over the last decade has easily made up the cost. My similarly aged f-150 goes through all terrain tires nearly as fast with a similar price tag. It also has cost 10,000 more in maintenance, without including the cost of gas, tires, and oil. I've gone through at least 3 more brake replacements in a similar 200,000 miles to my model s.
I did just get a used 2022 plaid. I picked it up for 90k with 9k miles.
This price drop hurts, but most of the depreciation was already built in as used car prices have dropped (along with the new prices on plaids coming down).
I've got 7k+ miles on that car since i bought it. I haven't checked the inside of the tires, but until your videos, i wasn't as concerned, as i figured it was just like my 2013.
I should also check the inside of my 2013s tires, as it's been a bit, but i don't remember this issue being as prominent since moving away from the Michelin supersport ps2 tires.
That said, the fact that it is still an issue is crazy. It's also crazy that you haven't had it fixed in the aftermarket if tesla won't fix it. Is that not possible?
All in all, these concerns didn't convince me to cancel my roadster or cybertruck orders, but definitely given me something to think about.
I just bought a 2014 Tesla model S 85 with 61k miles for $15,000 minus the $4,000 point of sale tax credit, so it cost me $11,000 plus tax and license. The out the door total $12,900. The tires have a date code from 2017 so they have been replaced once in the last 10 years and stil have 50% tread left. The car works great and the battery still has 90+% of it's original capacity. What's not to like? If you are an early adopter of any new technology you will pay dearly for it that is normally how things work. You have to be patient if you don't want to pay dearly for new tech.
I totally understand the concern about the tire, that's a legitimate concern and yes it should be corrected. As far as the price of the car, how's that any different than paying over for a car cuz you want the new version?
Because he didn’t do that. Imagine buying a house at sticker then the developer builds more of the same house next year and they list for 40% less. I would feel betrayed.
Well this is the price you pay to be the cool kid 😆 🤣 😂
Sucks to have any issues with the car. About the price drop, i bought 2 year old fully speced rs5 for 75k. Brand new was 130.000€. Didnt lose as much as the plaid but its fairly close.
The difference is audi make real car, not an ipad on wheels. The leather on the steering wheel or seat will not tear apart within the next 20years…
@@conglin6965 To be fair, the material quality isn't that great in the audi. Lot's of noises. But i'm still happy with my car.
@@Tohaj You are not the first one telling me that unfortunately. I guess all manufacturers start cutting corners now 😩
Audi R8 is the all time king of depreciation btw
there is nothing depreciated with the plaid, just keep it as long as a normal life span and there wont be any depreciation.
actually teslas hold their value extremely well, not comparable to ice cars at all.
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl I have an RS5. I was actually looking at the R8 and it has increased in price lately.
I have 2022 model S LR and had two flat tires. Both times there were nails in them. 19 inch wheels is better than 21 inches. I am glad I chose the LR vs. plaid. LR is crazy fast enough (0-60 in 3 seconds).
Welcome to the EV world, you can’t be mad at Tesla for trying to sell cars, the model S and X don’t sell a lot due to the model 3 and Y.
Model S and X sold all day long before the interest rates went up and Elon lost his mind. They were the first two Models the company offered for mass production. You underestimate how many rich people there are and Tesla over estimated and are finding out.
That price delta is insane. I would lose my mind if I bought it at $140K.
The new NSX is worth 140K.
The Tesla? Never!!
the videos made with the early plaid can buy you plenty plaids@@mr.2cents.846
If you can afford to take out a 140k loan on a new car you shouldn't be worried about that. That, or you're just incredibly financially irresponsible.
Imagine agreeing to buy a car, then being angry that someone else won’t pay off your loan.
This issue should be immediately reported to the NHSTA, and if TESLA does nothing, then file a class action lawsuit against them.
Very informative video. I have the exact same plaid. After seeing your video I had my tires checked and as you can guess I had the same problems with the rear tires. This is a scary problem. The tread looked great with normal inspection. I had cords showing through on both back tires.
ok that is concerning
Get 19”.
You set out to wear out your tires prematurely to get clicks.
Nice that you did not point out the easy solution. Put 19 inch tires on it. OR... this is a real difficult solution, replace the rear arm with an adjustable chamber arm!!! I know, spending $40 on this would probably bankrupt you, but for the "look" you can dig deep.
I love shitty normal inspections
Nicely said. There's taking a bath, and there's taking a BATH! The tire issue should've been an immediate recall. It's astonishing to think they obviously know the problem exists, and just choose not to address it. Is this all Tesla models, or just S
and/or Plaid?
Both the model s and model s plaid!
PS5's
You're talking about a company who had a 'Re-direction Unit' that purposely suppressed complaints. It's a company without honor.
@@curlyjoe5020 Greetings from Europe. Tesla happens to be a very fun car. Although I don't own it, I have a lot of fun watching videos of the quality of the workmanship, or reading about the problems that the owners are going through. The roof of the Model Y flew off when it was driving a new Tesla home from the dealer. Or there were no brakes on the rear axle. Model Y cracks in the body, Tesla braked poorly = there were no brake pads. With Plaid -car overheats within 5 minutes on track = you have to buy Track Package(TP) for $20,000 will be upgraded SW. I don't want TP, I just need an upgrade. You can't upgrade without TP. Purchase of TP installation and hurray for the circuit. The car no longer overheats within 5 minutes ... it overheats within 4 minutes. Tesla announces that the problem is being worked on and stops communicating. The owner is satisfied that he lost 1 minute for 20,000 USD... Tesla points to the Taycan and its loss of power in the second drag race, the Tesla has no loss even after 20 drag races. The American magazine wanted to make a sensation out of it, so there was a big Test 10x 0-60. And the Taycan started between the first and last run, the loss was so small that there was no point in talking about it. And Tesla the first 2 tests ok but from the 3rd test the performance drops. in the 10 test Tesla needed three times the time for 0-60. Then the Taycan started to overheat again .. the bike can't even handle it on the circuit... Later it was spoiled by the S Plaid owners who started asking about the temperature problem... it wasn't the Taycan it's the Plaid. In 2021, Tesla is ranked #1 by Consumer Reports as the most reliable, trouble-free car. That's the same ranking as in 2020. I'll open Consumer Reports car reliability results for 2020 and 2021... Both years the same ranking - Tesla is second to last.
No other car will provide you with so much fun. One of the last defects of the Model S and another model is that it can happen that the steering wheel falls off...I like how Tesla takes care of customers. For example, in winter it is essential to keep your feet warm. With the Tesla Model 3, they can do it. You set the temperature to 22°C and your feet feel 50°C and the car soon becomes a sauna. Tesla replied that the error is on the user's side, because no one has complained yet. Tesla buys cars from disgruntled owners and immediately sells them without fixing the problem.
Tesla's lawyers came up with an interesting statement and informed that the lifespan of a Tesla car is 250 - 300,000 km, while E. Musk claims 800,000 km. Record run of 1.2 million km Model S
stated E. Musk. He just forgot a few details, changed the engine 5 times and the battery 3 times. Battery price 20,000 USD😎
@@Mijanboy Yes, Tesla is a piece of junk. One correction: In 2021, Tesla X ranked dead last, and the next years second to last. It's a crap car. "Fun" is no fun when the car is breaking down on you.
"he Tesla Model X and Audi E-tron ranked dead last in this segment for reliability, while the Kia Niro EV ranked “well above average reliability.” The Nissan Leaf and newer Ford Mustang Mach-E scored “above average reliability.” High-end electric SUVs were among the least reliable vehicles in the survey overall.Nov 18, 2021
Consumer Reports 2021 auto reliability survey: How Tesla ..."
Tesla is a horrible company...I can understand why Audi, who had been making EV for just a few years, could score so low, but Tesla has been making EVs for a dozen years at that point, and seemingly learned nothing. No excuse.
Great point on gap insurance. Also, hard to compare a mfg selling to a dealer vs a mfg going straight to consumer. Of course the margins are better for Tesla. That also gives them the freedom to constantly adjust pricing to spur demand as we've seen across all models.
Gap insurance usually only goes to 115-120% of value. He would still be underwater.
@@LadyGodiva-hi3ym Sure, if it's dealer sold. Plenty of 3rd party options go up to 150%. Which is still cutting it close!
Another option is to insure it all... And fly away for the weekend to relax. When you come back from relaxing, you find that you are without a car... such bad luck.😎😇
My car insurance company offers gap insurance, not the bank. I think my bank requires it if I were upside down in my loan.
More money than sense😂. When will they ever learn? Ya being ripped off😂