Vince Staples EXPOSES Why RAP Is NOT Considered ART
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- Опубликовано: 12 окт 2023
- Vince Staples EXPOSES Why RAP Is NOT Considered ART #vincestaples #rap #curtissking 🔴 SUBSCRIBE TO CURTISSKINGTV: bit.ly/subcktv
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Bro, I realize you are speaking to rappers. But truth be told, your words are wisdom for ALL creatives. Artist, STAND UP!
Speaking To All DIYers! 💪
Underrated comment
Always including everybody which in turn puts the original intended listener dead last will further promote stagnation and decline. Thank you…
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I fully respect what Vince was saying in this video. Rap is different from hip-hop, but most don't understand that. Hip-hop is a way of life, but it reflects in our word usage and content delivered. That's art. Rap is just negative and tares down our community, while degrading both men and women. That's not art. The pictures that hip-hop paints are beautiful creations, while rap is Pre-K finger painting. Just my opinion.
Music is Art.... Rap is Art
Hip Hop is are, rap is dead.
hip-hop/rap it's all the same now @@polyverse1
@@polyverse1 Hip Hop is a Culture. Rap, like Spray Painting or Break Dancing is an art form which one used to express themselves in said hip hop culture 🙄
@@polyverse1 incorrect. Just because you have a bias opinion making it right to you don’t mean its right to everybody else …respectfully
Music is art , hip hop is art , rap is something you do.
I remember when it was good for a person to not get it when you first heard it, but got it the 3rd, fourth time around. When it became about the money, the Art died.
Vince hasn’t told a lie since ‘77
😂😂😂
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Hip-Hop/Rap is so undervalued.
*Outcast was definitely an Art.*
Rap is clearly an art form. Most rap now though is leaning more towards the entertainment side, meaning the motivation behind even making the music is instant approval and admiration by the largest number of people possible, and of course money.
Most of this approval, admiration and money isn’t coming because of talent and or skill. It’s because of looks, trendiness, shock value, and very heavy marketing. There are artists who aren’t even appreciated by the masses, and don’t see any significant wealth in their time, but have created timeless art that’s appreciated later on. There are some artists who never gain a massive fanbase but are highly developed skill-wise and greatly appreciated by a small subset of people. There only seems to be space for the rap entertainers to develop these days.
Rap is art when done right period
Looking at it objectively, the play is brilliant. Since music became phenomenon as through performance and recording, businessmen taught to capitalize off of the “feeling”, and monetizing the audience for their money and success. The truth of the matter is, you could do this for money, do this for art’s sake, or both. The biggest thing, whatever you do, do it to the fullness of your convictions. Every avenue has a give and take. You can choose. Just DO WHAT YOU CAN ONLY DO. You have the space to do it how you want, and youre production’s have a place and an audience.
You have no idea how much your videos motivate me to keep pushing. God bless you.
remember never let anyone tell you to quit and then turn around and ask for money to help you with youre career
Curtis king is one of the realest for saying that this shit is possible, that's just wholesome asf
omg that verse at end just put icing on the cake bro just walked all over the beat talking that talk PREACH 🙏🏾🔥💎
The bars at the end though! Fire 🔥🔥 Watching this before I go to work, so motivating!
all the way from South Africa, I Salute you King.
There was a guy that lived a neighborhood over from us when I was a kid, that would constantly be on his porch writing. Writing what? No idea. But he was ALWAYS out on his porch writing. Every single time. LOL. He was an old man at the time. My dad would say "When he dies, someone's gonna inherit whatever he was writing and flip it for millions." LOL
I’ve been fighting with this my whole career and I noticed the disrespect more once I got into other industries. Rap is seen as toxic and not often artistic, I’ve been 8 years making music and I have had many supporters but a year of Acting/Modeling I got more respect for my craft there than my whole time in music, more money too. Film and fashion are held to higher artistic standard and it’s unfortunate rap gets boxed into this. We perpetuate it by feeding into the 1.99 song mentality like he said.
Sooooo glad I found this channel! Where is the original interview?
"There's a Basquiat right now" AGREED!!! I feel like "R5 Alive - The Greatest Album Ever" is that!!!
Another great video! And You snapped on the track at the end! 💪🏾🔥
Solid video!! And bro that rap at the end 👏🏾🙌🏾 Crazy!
liked it 1000 times cause the last part 2 slick
Everything you said, man, agree 100 percent couldn't put it better subbed cheers
Btw, CK, you killed that rap you put at tha end of each video! Amazing King! Thorough yet simple.
You're a TRUE ARTIST💪🏾💪🏾👑
And THANK YOU for what you do and provide for tha people! This so much more than hip hop talk...1
I love seeing us share and build together the time is now
Needed this
Great video man! 🙏
I rewound this about 3 times. ❤ Keep this vibe going. It'll help a lot of people. #imho
Rap is art if its creative different or new.
That was beautiful. Gave me chills
As a artist u really b giving me motivation
Great breakdown &🔥 Rhyming at the end so I subscribed & I'll check your other videos from here on👍
Thank you Curtis I'm a fan of you I'm go check your music out
Curtisssssss Kiiiiiing muh boi, me lad!! FriendO!
Top drawer as always homie!
Can he rap in double time 😂 i felt that
Most recently, Jay-Z's Magna Carta Holy Grail phase did quite a bit to propel rap to images and places we had never seen... on that fine art level.... i want to see more people pushing folks to that height (imagery and all) (Kendrick - Em - Jay - Kanye - Badass - Mac - Pac - Cormega - Nas - Rakim - Blk Thought - Mos Def - Tribe, these types of MCs)
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That Jay z worship is wild and mostly oldheads be doing it when there is far more thought provoking rappers who don’t get no acknowledgement unless they die.
@@sinsoreshippromotesconform8218 you're missing the point. Jay literally shot some of his videos in a museum with a known performance artist and amongst fine art... he forced ppl outside of hiphop to see him and his art in a different light. if you feel ppl "worship" him (i don't), then i guess he did his job 🤷♂ don't hate, take notes - guess those thought provoking rappers should be making legacy moves before they die then
@@sinsoreshippromotesconform8218 what has your point got to do with this discussion one thing I realised about this generation is that the stans and worshippers are the haters not the fans
Thank you King.
Bro is your song you rap on the end available on Amazon, gives me the chills in a good way...Love that track
Thank you fam 🙏🏽 it’s a part of a project I’m working on that’s dropping possibly in December
Awesome:)@@CurtissKingTV
Once again, we have someone (vince) needing white validation to consider anything we do "Valuble". Van Gogh never sold his paintings, if he ever did it wasn't for much money.
True Art appreciates with time only, the fact Missy is an example here is the value, stop waiting till Vivian Westwood says it.
Dope Bars in the end fam!! 🔥💯 New sub 💫
bruh this is the realest thing I heard in a while this got me fired up ima go create right now lol
I started a ghost kitchen called Westbrook eats and it’s helping me sell more music I made a taco combo that came with a album I made and only sold to the people who got the taco combo
nice one 💫💯
Great video Fam🔥
Well. Live shows tickets go up for hundreds and thousands of dollars per person, though. Average consumers of music are not able to attend. Also, history shows that art consumption was mainly afford to the wealthy and it may go back to that.
““He who is faithful in a very little thing is faithful also in much, and he who is unrighteous in a very little thing is unrighteous also in much.”
Luke 16:10
Amen
Great video
Inspiring fr
sick verse at the end!
Thank you fam
Vince need to go into management atp. Use that game to change the game.
Snapped At The End 🔥🔥🔥
Rap didn't challenge the labels or nothing they failed to create on their own time and create their own ecosystem....
That song at the end tho 🔥🔥🔥 really talkin
bro you touch my heart on the DIYers
That’s me that posted the Vince Staples clip on IG….thanks for the Love.
Ahh word! I’m about to link you in the description fam
@@CurtissKingTVsalute fam
Ur bars are gold 💯
your track at the end of vid is bumping
Art is art. it doesn't matter how much it sells for.
Therefore art thou, LOL!!!!! Great observation of the rap genre and art in general.
Now I understand RZA’s decision to make Once Upon a Time in Shaolin an extremely rare and incredibly expensive album
Profound !
The 😮flow at the end is very nice. What song is that 🤔
RAP is still art though, the highest form of art even, its music born out of poetry
Fye🔥🔥🔥
I relate to that it don't matter whatchu look like coz when the art is good is good...I am one of those producers making Amazing Art but I don't look good coz I'm poor but when you listen to my shit I guarantee you goen feel somethin💥!!!
That song was dope at the end
Y I only drop albums.. each album is a piece of art
This! I was just saying how i don’t think artist are making an album and then selecting the singles from it they put our singles see what hit and then build an album and it have no meaning or any creativity to the album when they do it that way.
that song is heat too wow
When you look at bigger picture of our music you see same struggle in diff time periods. When you know history you see how dope we are to subconsciously rap or paint our original cultural customs. When you see a bigger picture the question rooted in criticism becomes individually accountability for misusing internet while those before fought harder with less resources while we complain.
Here's a concept, deteriorating streams. Meaning, that with every purchase the quality drops. So you pay high price for an artists music. As the owner you can't share it or have it copied. Like vinyl records. You get the one copy of it. Basically stop selling streams and sell hard-copy materials.
I'm a 39 year old rapper who has wasted alot tine not rapping. I'm gearing up to get back at it for 2024. Any advice.
That shit hard bruh✊🏾🎶
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Rap is an mainstream pop industry creation . HIP HOP is a living breathing culture that Dj, MC, dance, beat boxing, fashion, slang , Graf CAME FROM. HIP HOP is something you can Live, rap is not.
Banksy is our Basquiat
Diyer is one of greatest podcasts ever on screen on empowering artist I love this podcast this show deserves international recognition.
Wow that Prince picture in the background that is what's up the truth man the truth
Comparison is the thief of joy. Where's the value in comparing art when art is subjective? This is more reflective of how music consumers are different from art consumers. Assume art consumers have more money than music consumers hence why the price points are different.
I haven't seen the video yet but I have a thesis as to why people think so. First off sampling is taking an already perfected and finished song and scratching it up to make a new beat out of it which is an art form in itself but it takes less talent and is less creative than the actual musicians who arranged and put together the original song. I also think hiphop has lowered its standards throughout the years in terms of rapping skills, just about anybody can come into the rap game and not even know how to rap these days so people don't take it as seriously. Lasty, some people view rapping as just talking in your regular voice without having to vocalize or do any tricks with your voice as opposed to other genres that require playing instruments and singing which is not as easy to most people as putting words together and flowing over a beat in your natural talking voice.
All of these aren't to downplay hiphop although I will 100% stand by saying it is the most easiest genre to do. Rapping (being lyrical) is very difficult especially when you're putting together an album, free styling, or battle rapping and it absolutely is an art form in my eyes. I view it as spoken word.
That song slap homie
I read somewhere when money steps in the room art steps out.
Rap is still art. The industry is promoting the garbage though because it makes quick money.
4:20 LMAOO Gave me flashbacks to so many conversations at partys. "You should try tictok! so easy to blow up on there!" like ok yah just i'll sell ur soul real quick by looking like a clout goblin for 2 weeks of fickle online attention.
Very insightful perspective but everything he stated is true
Rap has lost it's artform awhile ago.. When Basquiat was Hip Hop. He was a Writer during Hip Hop's most artistic era. An era when success was local, hence the term Allcity. Back then many artist , Bboys, Dj's, Rappers, and even Writers shied away from commercial success, because they knew not only their creative freedom would disappear, but their unique style and expression would be widely duplicated and recreated , transforming this artform into a business. Fun Fact, Missy copied her whole act from the Legendary Writer /Rapper Ramellzee who introduced elements of futurism and avant-garde to Hip-Hop culture in the early 80's. Basquiat produced, arranged and did the cover art for his first single the acclaimed Be Bop.
lmao bro violated Shakespeare.
Wu-tang also made an album that was 1 of 1 but it was sold to that Martin Shkreli guy for like $2 million dollars.
these the same arguments me and my bro have with close friends and family. If I slave away for 15hrs its coo because its a "real job" but if I do the same and make money from music its frowned apon because its "NoT a ReAl Job" 🥴🥴🥴
There are a few rappers that I consider artist .
Everyone know missy elliot, no one knows who tf is that Sherman lady. All Vince do is whine like a baby
Can’t be art when major money becomes involved
Plus rap isn’t art anymore and on a mainstream level it hasn’t been an art form since it’s inception. Rapping about destroying your own community isn’t a form of art. But immature shit sells. And stop wit the Nipsey bs, nobody talked about him until he died and I was a fan since 2010. He was a gangbanger who promoted gangs. He never came against the crips who are a negative aspect to the neighborhood he claimed to love
@@YoungTCashdamn can’t argue with that
Rap is to pedestrian and mainstream. It’s and found anywhere so it’s not special and anything that’s to common and mainstream is special and people don’t revere or pay high prices for common things.
I WISH YOU PEOPLE THAT CLAIM YOU LOVE YOUR ART, START TAKING CONTROL OF YOUR ART.. AND STOP GOING TO A RECORD LABEL FOR A CONTRACT.. EVERYONE TAKE YOUR MUSIC OFFLINE AND BUILD A WEBSITE AND SELL YOUR MUSIC FROM THERE.. DO NOT ALLOW YOUR MUSIC ON ANY SITE UNLESS THAT SITE PURCHASES A LICENSE FROM YOU OR YOUR COMPANY. THATS HOW YOU'LL GET THE $9.99 FOR A SINGLE, $15.00-$25.00 FOR A ALBUM AND MOST OF ALL THE PROPER RESPECT YOU DESERVE. DO NOT ASK ANYONE IF YOU SHOULD DO THESE THINGS, JUST DO IT. BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE DONT REALLY KNOW HOW TO DO ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH MUSIC, BUT YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE HELPING/WORKING FOR YOU AND YOU THINK THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING BUT THEY DONT. THEY ARE JUST HIDING BEHIND GOOD CONVERSATION AND PEOPLE THAT THEY KNOW AND YOU DONT KNOW, SO YOU THINK THEY ARE SPECIAL BUT MOST OF THEM ARE USELESS. GET RID OF THEM IF THEY DO NOT AGREE WITH REAL INDEPENDENCE, BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO IT LIKE THAT, EVERYONE HAS TO PUT IN REAL WORK AND REAL MONEY. AND THAT'S THE BREAKING POINT.
Rap has a Pulitzer I think that's a start
Damn....
I am the game changer to Hip Hop the disrespect to the art
It’s funny because this conversation is about 3 years old and people just catching up
True: Rap is an ART. Yet, is a very old primitive art form (50yrs). Kid's Play. Everyone can participate in it.
Whether something is considered art or not has nothing to do with its marketplace value. Rarity and uniqueness is what creates marketplace value. Paintings hanging in certain art galleries are valuable not just because they are art, but because they are originals or at least rare re-productions. Rap music is mass-produced. That is why copies of rap songs and albums are cheap. Vince Staples is talking faster than he is thinking.
R.i.P Shakespeare
Of course Shakespeare had bars!! Shakespeare wrote sonnets! He wrote at least 145 (!!) 14-line poems, that rhyme, written by him. He kinda was a rapper🤷🏾♀️.
I don’t think high school teacher’s consistently convey WHY his plays are important. We have sitcoms, we have movies. The plays he wrote are considered the blueprint for modern narrative structure (3 acts, rising tension, psychological drama instead of glorified morality tales) of drama & comedy.
Ask yourself, what were the plays like before him? In terms of western culture: Greek & Roman styles. But those didn’t have punchlines. Those didn’t handle romance the way we see it today. But it’s found in Shakespeare tho.
Sleep on the Bard of you want to. People still take ideas from his plays, the conflicts between characters.
True, he is over-represented in the cannon of Western classics.
Inclusivity and exclusivity in the marketplace due to commercialism is a detriment to rap, as well as art work in general. As both a painter and a rapper, I have the unique perspective of knowing this paradigm. The levels to it are too nuanced and detailed for yt comment.