Mercedes EQS 580 4Matic driving impressions & summary
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When the Tesla Model S and X first came out in Germany there were obviously Mercedes S class owners trying them out, and months later trading them back into the Mercedes dealerships - I was in the market for a second hand Model X and the surge in second hand Teslas was noticeable. I think they probably wanted to be green but missed the S class luxury too much. I first sat in the concept EQS at the Paris motor show - the same year that Model 3 was displayed - this is faithful to the version I saw. The EQS will clearly win with S class drivers and anyone else who can afford it, and with that wealth they won’t mind that it’s a bit thirstier. I want one too.
Yes same here. Came out of a fully loaded E63 into my Model S. I've had it three years and am now fed up with the lack of things "I want" rather than what Elon wants. It's a superb EV (been the best for years) just such a shame it's wrapped up in a flaky US quality car. This looks a great overall solution at a similar price point to "facelift" S.
Tesla will never be like a Mercedes, but to be fair, there is a big price difference.
@@nicoR_ftw Not over here there isn't, a new Plaid is $175k USD in the UK.....
I just had an EQS 580 for the whole day yesterday but unlike Bjorn it had the 19" super efficient tires and there is no model S that is this efficient or has this much range, it was truly impressive. I was driving in Germany on the Autobahn and went full speed whenever it was possible and at the end of the day the car was reporting around 25kw consumption after driving over 210 km/h whenever possible. (also a bit of city driving but mostly autobahn)
If I went 120km/h max which is still way faster than Bjorn can do in Norway it would have been propably under 20 kw easy and on winter tires in winter. Well german winter but still.
Whoever fitted those tires on Bjorn's press car has completely destroyed the efficiency. He should try to get hold of another EQS with proper tires and compare it.
@@Glomby Great to hear! Do you mean 20kWh? no kW? Yes 21" Winters seems like a spectacularly bad idea. I always have 21" Summer wheels and 19" Winters for mine, helps offset some of the range loss.
Fortunately I had a 580 for a whole day yesterday from the local Mercedes dealer. Before I go into details: I am used to driving a S-class car for many, many years as my father always bought the latest model. So I can really compare the "old world" with the new world.
This car is so absolutely stunning, I want one right now! I live in Hamburg/Germany, so one of the first things I did was taking the car to the Autobahn. I have a Porsche 992 4S so I know accelaration. But when I put the pedal to the ground in the EQS it was shocking... in a positive way, as the accelartion started instantly, there was no "second of thoughts" like in a Porsche with a turbo. Really great. I am sure: the EQS was faster.
This car is unbelievably comfortable in all seats, I picked up my childs and they loved it to sit in the back, enjoying the space and the seats fitting like a glove. And the trunk is really, really big, so the car actually has a practicle use. The little child said: this car is in every point better than your Porsche, sell that one and buy this!
I you can drive this car... it really is the best at the moment! Amazing bulit qoaulity too.
BUT: when I took it back to the dealer suddenly there was no sound anymore, no music oder rado... nothing... from no source. I tried DAB and MP3 via bluetooth... nothing. Stopped the car, shut it down, restart... no effect. Strange. I tried to find out if maybe I made a mistake, but I didn't push any buttons when the music stopped. I am sure an update will fix this little problem.
I'm in love, actually :-)
If you have a software running it has some bugs also. Not a big deal an update will solve that.
From Tesla Bjørn to MB Jørn
In a test by German magazine Auto Motor & Sport of the lower power, 1 motor, 2 wheel drive version of EQS (called 450+) the car was driven 640 km from Munich to Berlin on one charge and it had 40 km charge left upon arrival, implying a 680 km range real world highway range. The driver aimed at keeping the speed at 130 km/h during the drive. Lower power and slightly less weight (and possibly smaller wheels) means the 450+ goes approx. 80 km further than the 580 4MATIC Björn is testing here. In addition to the differences between the two versions, one also has take into account the fact that Björn is driving in sub-zero temperatures (-4 to -18 degrees Celsius) - the German test was done in summertime - and that the topography in Norway is very different to the Munich-Berlin autobahn stretch. Having analysed every test I’ve been able to find on the EQS - I am seriously considering switching my Tesla P85D for an EQS - my conclusion is that the EQS 580 4MATIC goes ~400-450 km on one charge on the highway in sub zero temperatures and ~550-600 km in the summer (the 50 km difference in each case captures differences in driving styles, topography and temperatures (big difference between -1 and, say, -20)). The highway range for the 450+ should be ~480-530 km in winter and ~630-680 km in the summer.
In winter no heat pump is a deal breaker. Plus the suspension is too unsettled.
It's a good thing to have 400km of range but honestly how often do you need that mouch? I drive a lot 660km a week. 4 times 165km.
Finally an honest review about the EQS. This car is a gem!
And it's their first round with this level car. I wonder how much they'll improve with the next gen versions. I know the exterior styling puts people off, but they nailed the interior. I think it's amongst the industry's best interiors for a EV.
Well it is Mercedes S-class. The best of the best! Seems no matter if it's gas/diesel/electric it is awesome! EQS just got level 3 autopilot testing permit on German autobahns.
Not the EQS. The S-Class.
@@Icarusier wrong. s class and eqs. to be clear: the eqs and (ice) s class cars are in the same class in mercedes wording, it is just in ev.
I believe the MB accepted the challenge to build what they consider the best option on that range of market for EV. They took their time and here is the result. All the companies are doing their efforts also but Mercedes make a great product. Only time will put every of those car where they belong in terms of costumers, but, EQS come very strong and it will make people which have those money to doubt between their choices. And that's a good news for costumers... more choices means more where to choose. I like it. Thanks Nyland for show us your feelings about this car. Hope you get to see this girl again!!!
Well said
I have driven a 1988 W126 (S Klass), and even on that car you feel the comfort compared to cars built less than 5 yrs ago, and even more if the trip is long.
When I reach 80 km/h I can turn off the stereo, because at that stage the old Diesel and the windnoise is getting so loud. (VW T3) Looking forward to my first EV. Must be mindblowing.
Tesla boys are converting to Mercedes gentleman.
Really enjoyed that love the camera angle 👍
The equivalent of sentry mode is urban guard and it does the same thing
Order an EQE when it is available. It is cheaper and smaller but should have the same tech.
I dream about an EQE, a EQE wagon version and a EQE cabriolet version....
Please test the rear wheel drive version in summer to see how big the difference really is.
The final words with the girl!
Best story ever 🥳🙈😆
Nice comparison at the end of the vacation :) Bra jobb, Bjørn :)
The german tester dove on the autobahn 640 km and had 40 km left. This car can go in summer 700 km
You can do that with no stops as you won’t even feel tired by the end of it
Munich to Berlin on one charge 💪🏼 Really impressive! Not the biggest fan of the exterior … but i admire the form follows function approach!
Andreas, the test you are refering to was done by the German magazine Auto Motor & Sport and the car driven was the single motor, 2 wheel drive 450+. Lower power and slightly less weight means it goes further. Apparently around 80 km further than the 580 4MATIC Björn is testing here. You also have to take into account that the topography in Norway is very different to the Munich-Berlin autobahn stretch. Finally, the temperature in Björn’s test varies between -4 and -18 degrees Celsius. My conclusion, having analysed every test I could find on the EQS - as I am seriously considering switching my Tesla P85D for an EQS - is that the EQS 580 4MATIC goes around 400-450 km on one charge on the highway in sub zero temperatures and 550-600 km in the summer (the 50 km difference in each case is to capture differences in driving styles, topography and temperatures (big difference between -1 and, say, -20)). The highway range for the 450+ should be 480-530 km in winter and 630-680 km in the summer.
Great, could you give the link? Kind regards
@@almoines1
The original video where he did the Berlin-München Test is not on RUclips, the Journalist did it for some programm on TV ( Vox)
Here is another vid where he talks about it:
ruclips.net/video/38Mqc41uBrw/видео.html
Great review Bjorn, thank you for this series. Looking forward to the EQE review when it become availalble.
Yeah the EQE is my target.
Funny observation: The car is so quiet that the indicator stalk sounds like a big massive clash of plastic components! 😀
It is
They didn't bother to pay attention to the blinker sound as many MB drivers don't even know what it is and what for :) Anyhow, yes, a very cheap-sounding piece of plastic.
Maybe you get most of the things you like about the EQS from the upcoming EQE and that would then make more sense for you as a daily driver?
I wish EQE has same trunk design, opening like a HB
@@mrmerm agreed.
Blinker sound is way too anoying, nevertheless, I‘d take it 😉
Anakin’s pod racer sounds the same like vivid flux…
The eqs will remember all your preferred driving configurations etc, and not go to defaults, if you have a stored driver profile & log in upon entry (a front passenger can also store a profile with the passenger screen).
Loved the review. loved the analogy in the end, very poignant. I could feel your longing hahaha.
the sound when accelerate is like from star wars movies wow!
52:46 - I looked in the manual. These massage program prompts are called "Suggestions." They are random because they "learn" over time. They can be configured with the driver profile settings.
The selected seats for the pre-heating can also be configured so the rear can be shut off by default.
Lol - woke me up at What’s UP ... so quiet!
I think Tesla has some competition.
Not really. EQS will steal customers from fossil cars. People who want Tesla would never buy EQS anyway.
@@bjornnyland your overlooking the EQE as well.
Great to see some alternatives for people who don't like tesla! Personally I love my model 3, but I love the planet more. Get EVs guys!
@@RogerM88 Compared to ICE they are still far less toxic (including gas, motor oil etc) and parts don't break or need maintenance due to simpler and fewer moving parts. Many Teslas now come with batteries with mostly iron which is very abundant and hardly toxic in of itself. Also no cobolt of course.
I'll definitely keep mine for at least a decade. Even if I get another car it's convenient to keep this in my house in Spain.
Regardless, which do you honestly think is better long term? ICE or BEV? Batteries can be almost 100% recycled.
The preheat and abiliy to prefer certain charge providers for ALL MB would REALLY be appreciated.. ;)
Great video absolutely love the car to but yes very expensive to buy and run that’s why it is the best. Maybe the new model could compete with it we will see big thumbs up for it though 👍
You've graduated to connecting with a cars driving dynamics, interior fit and finish
Great intro :)
Me also wants it. I got exactly the same feeling when I tested it, but I also have absolutely no need for it.
Björn, any thoughts on the lack of heatpump which you do not mention in the video? Could that be a reason for the high consumption?
rear steering is practically shortening wheelbase, therefore nimble feel
Great luxury electric car. Buyers for this car would be similar to a buyer for Lucid Air.
Buyer for a Model S is looking for different things entirely, Performance & very high teck in a Very Premium car, not a buyer who is looking for the absolute best in luxury.
Buy it Bjorn!!!
I will drive the EQS tomorrow and I think I will also want it and not that I need it either.
So I drove the EQS 450+ full option and I understand why you want it! It's amazing, stuff like when you stop at a traffic light it shows a video feed on the hyperscreen it was very handy a as some traffic lights in Belgium you can't see the light well when there are 3 lanes. The massage is amazing the wave massage moves up and down from butt to shoulders. The workout assistant makes you do exercises and in combination with the energize app it can monitor your heart rate! Fingerprint, face recognition and voice recognition to load your profile works great. The self driving in Belgium worked great even on normal city roads without lane markings it stays in the lane and adapts perfectly to the speed limits even at roadworks it read the signs and adjusted accordingly it also drove around cars that where park half on the road. The HUD is also great really feels like the arrows are really there as they follow the road and streets so well. The ride quality and comfort is next level I drive a very comfortable full option Audi A7 with air suspension and my A7 was much better than all other EV I tried like Hyundai ioniq 5, Kia ev6 and the BMW iX but the EQS is much better! Also my brother who has a jaguar i-pace ev400 was in love with this car he didn't want to come out of the car. Sure there are some quirks like the sometimes laggy videofeeds and ui lag but there is no better EV out there!!
You can get active TPMS with temperatur and pressure on fat e-tron as an extra option...
Those indicator stalks are very clunky and loud, assume a new tech for them that needs refinement.
The sound of the turn signal stalk is not premium.
My EQA definitely will change lanes on its own, when you put the indicator on in a multi-lane road.
Will wait for MOPF
24:30 I guess that is not a bug but a feature. If the car reach its destination, there is usually no need to charge as fast as possible. Usually cars are parking for a while at the destination. Preheating would waste energy.
is it possible to turn the main central screen off when doing your daily commute as it can be annoying particularly at night ? I did program a button on the steering wheel to that effect in my Jaguar i-pace.
The few drawbacks are thankfully minor enough to be corrected and improved on by software updates
Why is the clicking of the blinker so terrific when snapping back? Sounds like in a former ICE.
It sounds kinda cheap at least on video
Probably because the part most likely is the same with just a different plastic cover over it. That's the reason why big car makers can push volume at low-ish price if they want. They try to use common parts on as many platforms as possible to cut costs in the supply chain.
@@Sandzsteedt all cars i have owned since the 80s and forward sound better than this pfeeeeeeerrrr.
as we say in norway: "Løp og kjøp!!!" 😅
I Also like that car and i think you should get it, the Confort level and the design and how it drives you can't get that on other car, eficiency is good but confort is better ...
450+ is not thirsty. Look at the tests of herr Alexander Bloch. He measured 16KWH/100km at 110 km/h at the deutsche autobahn. 4WD is always bad for economy. Battery heating, interior heating, tyres and very low temperatures do the rest in this test. I would suggest Björn to do the 1000 km again in summer with the 450+. It will beat the hybride car on top of the list, i am sure.
Tesla AWD are super efficient.
The ECO charge option have primarily to do with discussion about charge losses and is not associated with saving battery life (that’s only a side benefit) In the engineering. The “Fat” E-Tron was in fact the car that have started this discussion. Furthermore it’s important to remember at WLTP rating it’s consumption with!!! Charging losses… so ECO charging improved WLTP rating a quite important fact for the car manufacturers…
What kind off app is Björn using to se battery temp and stuff?
He is so gonna buy one; and should.
Releasing smell in the car is best when you're alone.
That MB dashboard at night - worse than an xmas tree - makes my mind go back to my SAABs with a "night panel" switch.
#MercedesBjørn !!! 😁👍
Now seriously, I tryed an E class and even had suspension in the front seats!!! 🤯
Forget Tesla, Mercedes Benz and the other German premium manufacturers are also No. 1 when it comes to e-cars.
I didn't know that Germans had a sense of humour.
@@marcsimmonds7814 Most of the time they don't have a sense of humor either, but they have the best cars in the world, Whoopee, Tesla has them, but do you buy a car for such nonsense?
This entire UI looks like a WinAmp skin from 1998.
Mercedes did thei best on all points and EQS shows that supremacy
When will you test the BMW i4 ?
😀
Does anyone know if you still have to go through a traditional dealership - with an upselling salesperson - to buy a Mercedes EV? Can it be purchased like a Tesla, Rivian, or Lucid? I don't ever want to go through a dealership experience again.
I tried EQA And EQS although EQA smaller than EQS interior awesome but ofcourse 400-450km range big let down I believe in 5 years they will find a way to increase this range to 1000km, Its okay if you live in Europe all countries in Europe are small but when you live in Canada, The US or Australia you need range issues needs to be address. EQS 450+ looks good but twice expensive than EQA
4:56 "YO WHAT'S UP"
Doesn’t your dongle work on the Mercedes to use the more detailed app?
Please buy it, I will order one 😍😍
16:45 how many of noticed that smart wiper system which did that perfect variable speed wiping at to the last 3 swipes..shieeet
its a beauty
I wants too!
But can’t!
Sounds like road and tire noise are transferred to the interior significantly, or is their an automatic recording volume level going on that fools us?
The whispering later in the video gives the answer
Why is she switching so much between front, rear and all-wheel drive? I do understand that she needs AWD for acceleration, probably rear wheel drive for coasting, and front wheel drive for regen but she seems to be constantly switching.
Great car BUT when the video started there was this loud banging noise and it took a minute to figure out it was the indicator stalk resetting. All that sound proofing and they get a stalk from a truck 🙁. One new test you can try is take it to your local supermarket, park up and go and do some shopping. Question: Will it fit in a parking place. Will it still be there when you get back. How many dents will it have etc etc
Shut up
S-class = Smooth class
Bjorn-senpai, any plans to contact Genesis and test G80e?
Not available in Norway.
I was hoping that Genesis might have one or two under a blanket in the EU. :(
In the summer when they get new roads in norway they use chalk before painting the stripes in the raod, and tesla could even auto stear without any issues.
The new Fiat 500e remember the last regen every time you start it. It also have wireless Android Auto and Apple Carplay..
why do you use a left turn signal at roundabout when entering?
To increase efficiency of the roundabout. Everyone should do it.
Wonder if they’ll do an AMG version;).
@T L Cool. Hadn’t head.
This is from Mercedes' Press information regarding if the car has a heat pump or not (Page 55):
"A heating circuit for the interior is coupled with the powertrain cooling circuit. As soon as the heating
is on, the heat flows through the heating heat exchanger (small heating circuit, electric heater). If
waste heat is present in the powertrain, the system switches to the large circuit. Only if its heat is not
sufficient, for example at particularly low outside temperatures, is additional heat generated via the
high-voltage PTC booster heater (so-called register or series connection). Due to this efficient waste
heat utilisation, additional heating is often no longer necessary in the temperature range above 5°C,
which occurs particularly frequently. "
Link: media.mercedes-benz.com/article/a4bd32ba-7733-43ac-b866-4f76d4bb410c/(lightbox:document/278ff3a7-ac54-44bd-899d-a737af566b55)
Now im 99% sure the EQS has no heat pump as it uses a PTC booster heater, this partially explains why the consumption is relatively high in winter conditions.
Why is the the turn signal stalk so loud and vibrates like a 1999 Kia?
59:10 on vacation and you meet a girl DIN Bjorn get poetic! Im concerned what the EQS has done here........poetry is just never DIN......but i like this.
EQS might be good but try 40kmh at a speed bump in any Hydropnuematic suspension Citroen the car will not even move, you feel nothing......so how far have we come in suspension.
can't wait you tesla model 3 LFP with very cold weather test! I see you did a -18c video for the Mercedes so I suppose cold weather is there in your country!
Next step. Make a gls suv!!
If Aliens landed on earth in a flying saucer tomorrow and we gave them one of these it would be more advanced and more comfortable than their flying saucer.
Does anybody know if you can turn that centre screen off altogether?
Yes
@@bjornnyland Thank you Bjørn.
That was fun and it says HD1080,,, but it doesn't look it.
Dear Björn, you don´t know how greatful I am for all your information. What is the most comfortable Tesla according to you, for long european trips?
@@rikmarx107 Tnx buddy!
Model 3
@@bjornnyland Tack så mycket!
The trolls whining about the exterior looks are the same puppets that
used to dis the Tesla model 3 by saying it looked like a Dodge Neon...
Move on already!
It's a fancy car, but it's also very thirsty and looks like a huge Ford tarus. It must be nice to drive given the luxury and noise levels, but given the price, it should. I hope the ride quality filters down to the affordable and efficient models..
Only in the winter... in the summer you get 650+ km of range ( real world test, not lab). It is not thirsty at all.
@@tzarcoal1018 Bjorn calls it thirsty. Until he says otherwise, it's thirsty. My point is that a car designed 10 years ago was more efficient. I would think new designs would be putting that to she, not making inertial chariots.
@@treborheminway3814 A model s, or model 3 is less efficient. It was the big ass snow tires and the very low temperatures that that caused the bad results, but in general it has better effiency than any tesla and this while being considerably heavier!
the car is silent but switching the turn unbelievable loud, I would hate it, sound slike something broke at the car
If Elon send you the promised Tesla Roadsters you can change one of them into an EQS family car.
it has no heat pump
Hilarious 😂
Starwars inspired sound.
Come on, Bjorn, dont betray hyundai ionic
It’s a great car.
I just don’t trust the battery. Leasing only
We are in a time anyway where cars become more and more like smartphones, every year there is a new model with a couple new features you want and if you have the model from 5 years ago, everybody will point and laugh at you. So I guess 3 years leasing and then get the newest model is not a bad option anyway.
@@freibier EQS owners will, but there is a second hand market. If we throw this cars away like smartphones we should give up this planet immediately
Great car but at that price range it should be 😅
Now I also want one :( shiiiiiiiiiiiiit……
Wonder what will happens when Tesla buys Daimler? I wonder?