What Went Wrong? - Hello Neighbor

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  • Опубликовано: 2 дек 2024

Комментарии • 7 тыс.

  • @IDONTGETTHEPOINT
    @IDONTGETTHEPOINT 2 года назад +72146

    The developers of Hello Neighbor really focused too much into making it into a 'RUclips playthrough' game. You can have fun watching someone else struggle through the puzzles, but to try and play it yourself feels like a chore.

    • @spiired6469
      @spiired6469 2 года назад +969

      This comment sums it up .

    • @bloodyhell8201
      @bloodyhell8201 2 года назад +1519

      @@spiired6469 no, it divides it up.

    • @snappieboi5026
      @snappieboi5026 2 года назад +910

      @@bloodyhell8201 no , it subtracts it up.

    • @Cheese-0001
      @Cheese-0001 2 года назад +781

      @@snappieboi5026 no, it squares it.

    • @fireflare908
      @fireflare908 2 года назад +684

      @@Cheese-0001 no, it multiplies it

  • @postagestamp8365
    @postagestamp8365 2 года назад +7314

    That early footage with the player blocking the door in a room. That was scarier than the final game.

    • @malte291
      @malte291 2 года назад +1095

      The original concept was so good. An AI that can actually outsmart the player would be pretty much revolutionary in video games and could make horror games 1000x better.

    • @reiverdaemon
      @reiverdaemon 2 года назад +429

      @@malte291 that's why alien isolation was so good

    • @peautbuttersandwich7701
      @peautbuttersandwich7701 2 года назад +13

      true lol

    • @belkYT
      @belkYT 2 года назад +249

      It actually terrified me and made my heart beat 6x faster. I’m unironically serious.

    • @uwu-chan
      @uwu-chan 2 года назад +51

      Why is this true? I skipped it cause I got way to scared “lol”

  • @GreenHatter
    @GreenHatter 2 года назад +12711

    The fact Alpha 1 has the best shading sums up the whole game

    • @zero.Identity
      @zero.Identity 2 года назад +709

      had the alpha back then. liked it, hoped for the best. then alpha 2 came out. fonfused me a bit, was ok. then, i jus saw the update to alpha three, not even trying it, and never reading about it again. never playing it again or just having it on my pc

    • @planescaped
      @planescaped 2 года назад +163

      @@zero.Identity Sounds like a perfect game for the hidden folder.

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад +230

      It really says something when both the announcement trailer and the very first alpha build are way scarier than everything that comes afterward.

    • @HenryJr_T
      @HenryJr_T 2 года назад +13

      @@zero.Identity you took the right decision

    • @wifieatscheese
      @wifieatscheese 2 года назад +3

      Ikr

  • @16Nire61
    @16Nire61 Год назад +7881

    Kinda feels like the devs saw everyone doing weird parkour in the early alpha builds and thought, “Oh, this must be how people want to play!” instead of realizing it was just folks poking around and exploring however they could in an incomplete game.

    • @Omarlol3rd
      @Omarlol3rd Год назад +571

      Holy shit you solved why hello neighbors full game is just parjour

    • @Pairofscissorspng
      @Pairofscissorspng Год назад +157

      I think the best idea was to just add a parkour mode

    • @gabrielguedes6166
      @gabrielguedes6166 Год назад +302

      I simply despise games that force parkour into such a crude and bad engine. The physics in this game screams "Indie" and has the same jankiness as old Fallout games. It's just bad

    • @unclebaba3463
      @unclebaba3463 Год назад +101

      ​@Gabriel Guedes hey, old fallouts physics engine is at least fun, I love seeing boxes flying across the Mohave like tumble weeds

    • @Headspr0uter
      @Headspr0uter Год назад +61

      Probably 5% that and 95% the fact that creating and testing a parkour course requires a lot less time and talent than an AI that learns from your mistakes.

  • @atrinoch7437
    @atrinoch7437 2 года назад +10529

    literally went from "horror mystery game" like Amnesia, to "zany platformer" in a few months. The drastic shift of tone killed this game

  • @dream__soda7900
    @dream__soda7900 2 года назад +6141

    The game feels like a collection of the mobile game ads turned into a game.

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад +315

      Forme personally, Hello Neighbor felt like one of those cheap Roblox obby games that you would frequently find on the front page all the time.

    • @dream__soda7900
      @dream__soda7900 2 года назад +18

      @@HankJWimbleton-v1m yup

    • @MrWolfSnack
      @MrWolfSnack 2 года назад +73

      @@HankJWimbleton-v1m Keep you active long enough to not notice the high memory usage and all your information being skimmed to a Russian server farm

    • @slavdog3180
      @slavdog3180 2 года назад +47

      That’s actually respectful to mobile games, they’re way worse than this

    • @AndrewBarsky
      @AndrewBarsky 2 года назад +16

      Can we just appreciate how we all understand EXACTLY how much of a trashing this is.

  • @testingphaze4853
    @testingphaze4853 2 года назад +8606

    The early gameplay demo video is genuinely more terrifying to watch than the later alphas and even the full release. Says a lot about the downfall of the game

    • @Aasha
      @Aasha 2 года назад +45

      Right!?

    • @acyde125
      @acyde125 2 года назад +695

      Getting chased by a tposing unstoppable demon in an endless white space is infinitely more scarier than what we got

    • @bobuxdoesmemes924
      @bobuxdoesmemes924 2 года назад +12

      Alpha 3 was terrifying though

    • @averydavis5741
      @averydavis5741 2 года назад +8

      @@acyde125 erase (more)

    • @Unpug
      @Unpug 2 года назад +1

      @@acyde125 haha

  • @nickname_on8725
    @nickname_on8725 Год назад +6590

    I like how the neighbors AI seems to get worse at every single alpha release. It is literally evolving backwards.

    • @PlasticCogLiquid
      @PlasticCogLiquid Год назад +296

      I think that's why they added "CHAPTERS." They realized they couldn't pull off a good AI without screwing it up so they needed to start from a clean slate for each chapter in Unity. As long as they have a nice level plane for a starting area the neighbor AI can at least chase you around for a part of the level but as you progress it will probably just bug out after a while and they didn't want to deal with it, so time to click "New Scene."

    • @stupidclowv
      @stupidclowv Год назад +64

      Probably because they were too lazy to update the ai

    • @Where_da_cheese_at
      @Where_da_cheese_at Год назад

      @@stupidclowv why you cry

    • @raisinwaisin
      @raisinwaisin Год назад +82

      “evolving backwards”
      you mean “devolving”? 😂

    • @okimightcomeback
      @okimightcomeback Год назад +63

      ​@@raisinwaisinno, *evolving backwards*

  • @AlexDayz
    @AlexDayz 2 года назад +9466

    I feel this game tried to be too many things at once. It’s a stealth game where you avoid the neighbor. It leans into horror elements. It’s a platformer. It’s a puzzle game. It’s got deep convoluted lore. While some of these could’ve worked together they should’ve just stuck with one or two. What initially drew people to the game was the AI of the neighbor learning from your previous failures (boarding up windows, checking closets, etc.). They should’ve focuses on that and stealth elements rather than try to make it a mix of everything

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад +615

      Remember when Hello Neighbor actually used to be a stealth-horror game about breaking into your neighbor’s house? Yeah, me neither. It’s depressing how the developers really turned their game into a weird puzzle-platformer and desperately tried to leech off the popularity of FNAF…

    • @PopIkiru
      @PopIkiru 2 года назад +203

      I think they could have succeeded with all of these elements if the puzzles made sense, and they lessened their complexity. Same with the platforming. Plus if they had the neighbor be proximity based while in the house (or have a patrol mode) it would have fixed the issue.
      Maybe the items you’d collect would help you make less noise (quieter shoes, etc) or even have a way to disable the neighbor for a certain amount of time. In a way, I’d say that FNAF security breach’s stealth features would have also helped here (being able to throw something to get the neighbor to investigate it specifically)
      I loved the neighbor adapting to your choices when I watched it. I also loved how nonsensical the house became in layout. I fully agree with you though. The game tried to be too many of the popular youtuber games at once. They could have honestly separated the features into two different games.

    • @marsybarz
      @marsybarz 2 года назад +61

      Honestly the house size was also so annoying

    • @codym5352
      @codym5352 2 года назад +180

      What happened was the creepy dev had a Matpat obsession and literally started screwing with the game JUST to get Game Theory to talk about it more as free publicity. Like LITERALLY started developing the game SPECIFICALLY based around Matpat playing it, it was disturbing.

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад +103

      @@PopIkiru I think everything would've been far better if the developers introduced an option for procedurally-generated houses, each with its own different layouts, rooms, and puzzles. That way, it would give the game a lot more replayability and content without dragging out the pacing for too long. One reasonable explanation for this inclusion is that the Neighbor move between different houses to cover up his footsteps.
      I've also thought it would be cooler if there's an implementation of the AI Director from Left 4 Dead, which overlooks the progression and behavior of the player, by shaking up the difficulty to either reward or punishes them depending on their playstyle accordingly. For example, if you continue to play the game aggressively and loudly (i.e. breaking doors and windows, setting off cameras, vandalizing his property too many times, etc.), the Neighbor's AI will become more confrontational and persistent. However, if you continue to play the game cautiously and stealthily (i.e. tiptoeing carefully through the corridors, sabotaging his traps, distracting him with an alarm clock, etc), the Neighbor's AI will become a lot less suspicious of his surroundings.

  • @mtallmen184
    @mtallmen184 2 года назад +32324

    The publisher desperately tweeting at MatPat to care about their game again is one of the saddest things I've ever seen

    • @ayrtonjoga
      @ayrtonjoga 2 года назад +4213

      ​@Levi Chicwown Did Scott Cawthon kept begging for marketing of bigger channels to make the FNAF series popular? No, because he just wanted to create a good game with detailed lore and was confident enough to just let the games grow naturally without looking desperate for attention
      And he didn't had a great record of creating games either

    • @maybeoptify
      @maybeoptify 2 года назад +2003

      I feel an uncanny amount of second hand embarrassment from this

    • @amsyarzero
      @amsyarzero 2 года назад +1480

      @@SanicConnoisseur_91 Ayrton Joga is agreeing with you. The reason they mentioned FNAF is because both FNAF and Hello Neighbor are well-known in MatPat's community

    • @ayrtonjoga
      @ayrtonjoga 2 года назад +499

      @@amsyarzero Exactly! Thanks for clarifying them

    • @scarlett8782
      @scarlett8782 2 года назад +340

      meanwhile MatPat is just chillin, sipping a Diet Coke not giving a f* about their games anymore

  • @torgranael
    @torgranael 2 года назад +8677

    So the "deep lore" of this game is summed up very quickly? Your curiosity as a kid get's you kidnapped and you break out broken, beaten and scarred. Then 20 years later, you have a weird dream. That sounds like there was supposed to be an on the nose metaphor about childhood trauma, but hit the mark about as well as that jar of pickles entered the trolley.

    • @cats1970
      @cats1970 2 года назад +1133

      It’s so painful to me because the dream is very clearly based on a type of trauma therapy. It’s where you go back to your trauma and insert your current self to help the past you. You can use words, get the police to the scene, fight off the attacker, use magic. As long as it helps you in that horrible horrible situation.
      I’ve gone through that type of therapy. And it honestly did help so much to process a horrific thing I’d carried with me for years. But to put it in a dream makes zero sense. The protagonist used crack to cope with the trauma because he couldn’t resolve it by himself. It would’ve been so much less shitty of a plot point if they actually put it in context of trauma therapy.
      Sometimes you’ll visit the site of the trauma with your therapist to “defend yourself” as if it was happening today. To chalk that sort of intense treatment as “yeah sure you can diy it in your dream” is hollow, misrepresentative and frankly disgusting. Even a site revisit to point out the neighbour’s body after you murdered him or something would be stronger than this sad mess.

    • @BewareTheLilyOfTheValley
      @BewareTheLilyOfTheValley 2 года назад +321

      @@cats1970 How the hell do you have a game with a character with a crack addiction that then turns into a franchise for kids? 😂 I'm surprised that wasn't brought up.

    • @stingerjohnny9951
      @stingerjohnny9951 2 года назад +271

      @@cats1970 So basically it’s lucid dreaming weaponized against trauma? That’s fascinating!!!!
      Also like the person above me said, the fact this is treated as a kids franchise when the MC is literally having a crack fueled fever dream is hilarious to me 🤣

    • @icantthinkofanything798
      @icantthinkofanything798 2 года назад +32

      Yeah but that sounds like the beginning of the story, y'know? Only after that is there some kind of therapy and maybe meeting the neighbor again and there's this police type investigation where we learned what he actually did to the main character and what happened

    • @royalblanket
      @royalblanket 2 года назад +146

      @@cats1970 Holy shit. This is probably what they were going for. The game literally ends with you defending yourself
      ...Why make it a childrens game?

  • @pandazzz5282
    @pandazzz5282 Год назад +7192

    Hell, a better ending would have been the player waking up from the dream, but they were actually stuck in the basement as the neighbour had kidnapped them as a kid. They were just dreaming of themselves rescuing themselves.

    • @kydiasan21
      @kydiasan21 Год назад +880

      THIS! Every time I rewatch this video I think this would be the way to do the ‘just a dream’ ending. You never got out. You just imagined that you had, and imagined that your older self would come and save you.

    • @nananakeson
      @nananakeson Год назад +157

      Jesus Christ that's awesome

    • @lanaya3148
      @lanaya3148 Год назад +104

      Okay ngl this is good

    • @simonmalmstrom9593
      @simonmalmstrom9593 Год назад +205

      Honestly this comment alone would have made the game soooo much better. Tbh I can’t even fucking remember the ending of it because all I remember is that it had amazing potential then completely dropped the ball at the end and the ending was just shite. But I can 100% see how this game being a dream fits sooo well because of how dream like and almost child like feel the world has. Hell they could even make the different betas/alphas cannon as different dreams with having the more fantastical ones being the later ones as the child loses hope and becomes more delusional with the idea of escaping.

    • @MrLachapell
      @MrLachapell Год назад +20

      Are y'all ok ?

  • @sodakuwun0707
    @sodakuwun0707 2 года назад +655

    the devs have never heard the phrase "less is more"
    they just kept adding on tons of useless stuff until the game collapsed in on itself

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад +53

      The developers of this game should've listened to this quote:
      "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. It takes a lot of hard work to make something simple, to truly understand the underlying challenges, and come up with elegant solutions. It's not just minimalism or the absence of clutter. It involves digging through the depth of complexity. To be truly simple, you have to go really deep. You have to deeply understand the essence of a product in order to be able to get rid of the parts that are not essential." - Steve Jobs

    • @bobuxdoesmemes924
      @bobuxdoesmemes924 2 года назад +1

      @@HankJWimbleton-v1m Yes

    • @NamelessDragon21
      @NamelessDragon21 5 месяцев назад +1

      This is basically opm

  • @tellmeninetails5819
    @tellmeninetails5819 2 года назад +1490

    I remember the main appeal was the fact that the neighbour adapted to your attempts to break in, I don't think anyone thought moving away from that was a good idea.

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад +73

      Blame the developer’s incompetence or the publishers for changing the direction and making it follow the horror game trends that FNAF popularizes. I personally do believe that the publisher, TinyBuild, is the one contributing to the downfall of Hello Neighbor since they kept begging Matpat to make a theory video on the animated pilot.

    • @WhoAmIHmmm
      @WhoAmIHmmm 2 года назад +16

      @@HankJWimbleton-v1m if tinybuild is the reason of that then that sucks because I remember watching gameplays about the first game of the Tiny build owner but remastered (no time to explain!)

    • @DeathnoteBB
      @DeathnoteBB 2 года назад +13

      @@WhoAmIHmmm The game was “No Time to Explain”, to clarify for people who never knew it

    • @WhoAmIHmmm
      @WhoAmIHmmm 2 года назад +4

      @@DeathnoteBB oh, yeah thank you

    • @chaosinc.382
      @chaosinc.382 2 года назад +15

      That's how I first heard of this game, through an article about the fantastic adapting AI.

  • @Baconator96
    @Baconator96 2 года назад +6517

    The early version was deemed too scary because the neighbor t-posed while he was chasing you

    • @mapleflag6518
      @mapleflag6518 2 года назад +593

      They were intimidated by his dominance.

    • @Moshmaschine
      @Moshmaschine 2 года назад +585

      For some reason, that actually does creep me out quite a bit. Just so unnatural to see a person approach you with no visible signs of movement.

    • @omgnoi
      @omgnoi Год назад +97

      Yeah it was the only scary one to me lol

    • @TheMostActuallyRealDonaldTrump
      @TheMostActuallyRealDonaldTrump Год назад +13

      @@Moshmaschine pu-

    • @GrushV2
      @GrushV2 Год назад +9

      @@TheMostActuallyRealDonaldTrump tin

  • @Stillbraixentho
    @Stillbraixentho 11 месяцев назад +1815

    The neighbor actually learns from you,but since the game is so damn convoluted he just learns to be confused from your own confusion

    • @AbanonedChannel
      @AbanonedChannel 10 месяцев назад +104

      Poor dude is living the existence of free guy except the game has more bugs than oogie boogie

    • @Everything-Productions-Studios
      @Everything-Productions-Studios 7 месяцев назад +6

      So True bro-

    • @orestisgeorgatos6725
      @orestisgeorgatos6725 5 месяцев назад +20

      i wouldn't call it learning. it uses basic heat maps to establish where you go and patrol there more often and set traps there. hardly learning

    • @dankbonkripper2845
      @dankbonkripper2845 3 месяца назад +8

      ​@orestisgeorgatos6725 it gives the illusion of learning, and since all video games are simply about selling an illusion, it classes as "learning".

    • @orestisgeorgatos6725
      @orestisgeorgatos6725 3 месяца назад

      @@dankbonkripper2845 not how it works. it's still an illusion of machine learning

  • @kriminal7009
    @kriminal7009 2 года назад +4775

    Imagine coming up with a killer concept for a stealth/puzzle game and then ruining it by making it a weird parkour mess.
    Like, the neighbor adapting to entry and distractions makes for an interesting play through each and every time. That’s what people were hooked on in addition to the mystery of the basement.
    The weird house additions, convoluted story, and poorly crafted puzzles really stunt this game.

    • @migueeeelet
      @migueeeelet 2 года назад +132

      A great stealth AI is hard to make. Parkour and nonsensical puzzles can be crapped out with your eyes closed though!

    • @gamercentral2417
      @gamercentral2417 2 года назад +90

      @@migueeeelet but in alpha 1 the ai was actually good they just didn’t fix it

    • @summergamer7650
      @summergamer7650 2 года назад +126

      ngl, i feel like making the house bigger than it needed to be was one of the biggest downfalls

    • @dionylescailles4409
      @dionylescailles4409 2 года назад +78

      @@summergamer7650 seriously breaks immersion and adds too many issues. Normal inconspicuous house was the best by far.

    • @jadehodge972
      @jadehodge972 2 года назад +20

      @@dionylescailles4409 wouldnt even know how to beat it without youtube.... like dude who wouldve known to beat it ud need an umbrella out of everything.

  • @alcerdemon9768
    @alcerdemon9768 2 года назад +3635

    This is the first time ever I've seen a case of a game reaching its peak during its first Alpha

    • @MrBrandonStar
      @MrBrandonStar 2 года назад +35

      alpha is better

    • @dragonking528
      @dragonking528 2 года назад +9

      Have you heard about starforge?

    • @CadChamberlain
      @CadChamberlain 2 года назад +52

      DayZ is the same thing except theyve been in the alpha stage for like 8 years

    • @tobiasreiig5954
      @tobiasreiig5954 2 года назад +80

      cube world is a somewhat similar case...

    • @dragonking528
      @dragonking528 2 года назад +1

      @@tobiasreiig5954 yes

  • @PomMoei
    @PomMoei 2 года назад +7953

    i typically don't ever cringe at things, the word itself bothers me, but seeing the publisher tweet out to matpat begging to make a theory video really did it for me. i don't think that will ever leave my head, it's engrained within my soul.

    • @TheHypnosBunny
      @TheHypnosBunny 2 года назад +398

      I can't cringe at that because the only thing I think is that its so pitiful

    • @troyshin3924
      @troyshin3924 2 года назад +506

      @@TheHypnosBunny Right. It reminds me of those one hit wonders that continuously trying to fall back into relevancy. Very sad

    • @ivgorm9365
      @ivgorm9365 2 года назад +22

      no fucking way

    • @JBD0909
      @JBD0909 2 года назад +63

      I don't normally cringe either, but weeb profile pics do it to me.

    • @joaotanekosy
      @joaotanekosy 2 года назад +85

      I believe matpat is going to enjoy this comment 👀

  • @The-Omega-Blade
    @The-Omega-Blade Год назад +492

    "Act 1 has you starting out as a kid who looks about 30, kicking a ball down a street"
    Never has a statement been more true and baffling at the same time...

    • @HealthGage0336
      @HealthGage0336 4 месяца назад +9

      "I give it too much juice and it flies over the fence of our local NASA compound. Just bare with me"

    • @lunarialoonatic
      @lunarialoonatic 2 месяца назад +1

      No Fr I was confused until I saw the kid

  • @mellow_mallow
    @mellow_mallow 2 года назад +6575

    Jesus Christ that demo scares the shit out of me. Something about just seeing him floating towards you in the corner of your eye is really getting to me.

    • @fenudel2734
      @fenudel2734 2 года назад +356

      Thank god I‘m not the only one. Literally made the hairs on my neck stand up

    • @munchmongoose
      @munchmongoose 2 года назад +422

      The demo is the best product. Seeing something emerge closer to those concepts would have been amazing

    • @Julia-lk8jn
      @Julia-lk8jn 2 года назад +240

      you're right, it has all the ingredients: he doesn't look or move really human, you only catch short glimpses, and those background noises!
      Oh boy.

    • @dualtahunter4043
      @dualtahunter4043 2 года назад +274

      The early version of the neighbor was genuinely scary. Cold, emotionless, silent as a mouse but when he sees you, he was just this terminator-like beast, chasing you relentlessly. In the later versions he was just this senile old fart who was more of a nuisance than a villian

    • @C.I...
      @C.I... 2 года назад +85

      It reminds me of that Sherlock Holmes game demo, where Watson's AI wasn't finished, so he just teleported next to you while you weren't looking.

  • @charleschamp9826
    @charleschamp9826 2 года назад +6202

    I can't believe this game gives backstory to the Spy from TF2. I mean how else do you explain the three hands, who else could use the Deadringer and reload their revolver at the same time?

    • @Dr_Dan_
      @Dr_Dan_ 2 года назад +139

      i waited for this comment

    • @virtualashez
      @virtualashez 2 года назад +58

      I literally said the same thing omfg

    • @Dabadi4834
      @Dabadi4834 2 года назад +99

      MEET THE SPY

    • @cacovonluca
      @cacovonluca 2 года назад +144

      Hello Fortress 2 confirmed

    • @galaxymaster673
      @galaxymaster673 2 года назад +17

      best comment i’ve seen in a while

  • @namename2186
    @namename2186 2 года назад +5551

    Ight, pulling the "It was all a dream move" is the real warcrime here; not only because it robs the narrative of a satisfying ending, but because it allows the developers to make shit even more cryptic by including symbology and half baked psychological facts, which I assume was the point.

    • @mattbar6
      @mattbar6 2 года назад +26

      absolUTELY

    • @Zeromaru42
      @Zeromaru42 2 года назад +185

      It pulls the same Sin that Bendy Chapter 5 does and that Sin is unforgivable. It makes the entirety of the game you spent hours playing into a Dream out of nowhere with no prior hints or anything and it leaves the player unable to enjoy the experience. Unless you explicitly or somewhat hint at it beforehand it always just comes out as a Cop out. Of course the only way to hint at it in a cool way is to plan it from the start with actual thought and foreshadowing. Something very absent from a lot of the Games and Movies that pull it. When done right it can encourage theories and encourage replayability, but more often than not people just drop it in because they weren't able to come up with anything and they wanted to seem smart for something that better Games and Movies have done before.

    • @hohunch0
      @hohunch0 2 года назад +134

      @@Zeromaru42 facts when it's all just a dream, there really is no point to giving a shit about theories or the symbolism. Like you did all that just for a dream?

    • @Zeromaru42
      @Zeromaru42 2 года назад +44

      @@hohunch0 When Evangelion and Future Diary do it better because they had actual thought put into them.

    • @Hephera
      @Hephera 2 года назад +48

      the game literally tells you youre hallucinating and then you GO TO SLEEP next to a destroyed house and "wake up" to it having magically grown to a massive skyscraper with impossible physics. if you only realised it was a dream at the end that's kindve on you...

  • @smocast738
    @smocast738 11 месяцев назад +139

    I remember hearing about this game near the beginning. "It gets smarter, man! The game ADAPTS to your strategies! Isn't that neat?"
    It was..

  • @jaycob1830
    @jaycob1830 2 года назад +940

    The realistic look of the game in the first 2 versions made it way more real-feely and scary, when it got cartoony it almost felt like a joke

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад +95

      Personally, I really enjoyed how the atmosphere of the Neighbor's house throughout the earlier builds was very reminiscent of "liminal space" buildings. I think it would've been better if they should have expanded the whole aesthetic by transforming the basement into some Backrooms-style elaborate underground labyrinth full of surrealistic environments, reality-manipulation puzzles a la Superliminal, and geometry-defying architecture that messes up with your mind. Make it look like something from either Anemoiapolis or Stanley Parable.

    • @jaycob1830
      @jaycob1830 2 года назад +9

      @@HankJWimbleton-v1m I agree

    • @zigsteenine8650
      @zigsteenine8650 2 года назад +9

      @@HankJWimbleton-v1m that’s asking way too much from these developers lmao.

    • @kennypowers1945
      @kennypowers1945 2 года назад +2

      @@zigsteenine8650 or asking too much at all

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад

      @@zigsteenine8650 That’s just a fun suggestion.

  • @dysn3961
    @dysn3961 2 года назад +3203

    Best guess is that the original idea was a horror-like, but the publisher decided to have it more geared towards a younger audience so that they could market it out in spin off's

    • @Usammityduzntafraidofanythin
      @Usammityduzntafraidofanythin 2 года назад +68

      There is a movie genre equivalent for this, called 'thriller'.

    • @atanaZion
      @atanaZion 2 года назад +83

      Like FNaF, but bankrupt

    • @chocov1233
      @chocov1233 2 года назад +52

      @@atanaZion Creatively bankrupt.

    • @ilhambrewok7860
      @ilhambrewok7860 2 года назад +76

      Unfortunately, the same thing also happened with FNAF: Security Breach, which is so rushed and unpolished that it barely even considered to be a horror game anymore. I remember when the old trailers were originally going to be darker and slightly more mature, but the development team started to tone everything down to a minimum by making it family-friendly, marketable, and colorful, therefore killing off the atmosphere and unique charm of the original predecessors. Much like Hello Neighbor, FNAF: Security Breach had so much interesting potential, if only it wasn’t squandered by terrible execution and mismanagenent.
      I think everyone could agree that it’s quite ironic how FNAF is generally responsible and often stigmatized by some people for popularizing the whole “child-friendly indie horror game” subgenre into the mainstream (stuff like Bendy, Hello Neighbor, Baldi’s Basics, Poppy Playtime, etc), yet somehow deteriorated into its own stereotype despite establishing some of the cliches in particular (such as the bright, colorful characters and the so-called “hidden lore”). In fact, FNAF: Security Breach just felt more like a scathing parody of itself than an actual installment within the franchise.

    • @jonolas1626
      @jonolas1626 2 года назад +24

      @@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin Thats not what a thriller is tho

  • @morphstarchangeling8024
    @morphstarchangeling8024 2 года назад +2510

    The part that hurts the most out of all this has to be the part of it where the devs kick you in the balls by saying all the lore was just a dream and none of that theory crafting led to anything.

    • @thewhompingwampa2671
      @thewhompingwampa2671 2 года назад +297

      Which is pretty fucking hypocritical of them, considering that HN begs MatPat to theorise about it all on Twitter.

    • @Xegethra
      @Xegethra 2 года назад +55

      Theory stuff can get a bit iffy, fan theories are head canon that people take too seriously and con themselves into believing. But that being said, that's what you get when you don't bother to write a solid story/narrative. If you're going to leave stuff unmentioned then at least have an answer in the from of figuring it out, so people can find the truth and see what's going on, then there's some pay off, instead of leaving people to make up fan theories that don't go anywhere. But then you'd have actually write something. Otherwise fans are just pulling crap out of their arses.

    • @undertyped1
      @undertyped1 2 года назад +11

      Not really, i've never played it but I have a working brain, so I can tell what this game is actually about. It's obviously telling a story about trauma. The kid gets traumatised, and it screws him up as an adult. When he comes back to the house as an adult, it looks scary and larger than life, because that's how trauma works. You remember things more terrifying than they were.
      The things he does in act three are obviously meant to break through the trauma the character was going through. Whether the game itself was any good, I don't care, but I AM sad to see so many "paragons" of my species in the comment section. Critical thinking is well and truly dead if a simple story is too deep for so many people to figure out.

    • @enriquesanchez9016
      @enriquesanchez9016 2 года назад +11

      @@undertyped1 The story is not that complicated but it was executed TERRIBLY.

    • @unknownsword9042
      @unknownsword9042 2 года назад

      @-Random- How dare people try and market their product to make money so they can pay bills. I swear it is like nobody in these comment sections are adults with real problems.

  • @FourDozenEggs
    @FourDozenEggs 2 года назад +635

    "It's just a dream" is always a bad way to end a story. It objectively invalidates everything. None of the events mattered because they weren't even real. In order for a story to matter, there needs to be tangible consequences or at least threats of consequence.

    • @HydragonofDeath
      @HydragonofDeath Год назад +88

      There are ways to make the It's a dream ending work, but it has to be very carefully put toghether so that there still feels like a payoff for the entire experience, hello neighbor doesn't even try.

    • @paulmahoney7619
      @paulmahoney7619 Год назад +72

      9/10 if you want to make the "it's a dream" ending work, it has to be very clearly telegraphed from the start, making it clear that this is meant to be more an exploration of the psyche.

    • @Cinkodacs
      @Cinkodacs 9 месяцев назад +46

      ​@@paulmahoney7619Or make the dream matter in the end. Make the character do something due to the dream, maybe to avoid a tragedy. So many ways to handle it...

    • @CbOt7
      @CbOt7 9 месяцев назад +1

      Kind of reminds me of Little hope.

    • @frankisnot1148
      @frankisnot1148 8 месяцев назад +23

      ​@@Cinkodacs they could also lean into the hopelessness of it by having the player character wake up as a child in a neighbour's basement, if they REALLY wanted the "it's just a dream" ending.

  • @pgbrown12084
    @pgbrown12084 2 года назад +8603

    This developer is really focused on Let's Players and Theorists. If you look at their social media, they are desperately trying to get MatPat to make videos about their games. It's unfortunate. If they put the same amount of energy into making a quality game I feel like they could really succeed.

    • @ck7993
      @ck7993 2 года назад +956

      i remember when they directly pinged game theory 3 TIMES saying "YoU MiGhT WAnnA TaKe a PeeK a ThiS"

    • @ryebreadthebread
      @ryebreadthebread 2 года назад +644

      It feels like they care more about publicity than making a good and well rounded game

    • @liesdamnlies3372
      @liesdamnlies3372 2 года назад +59

      They're Russian. It’s more likely that at this point they’re just desperate to get enough money for a ticket to leave.

    • @elpenguinoofmexico1388
      @elpenguinoofmexico1388 2 года назад +393

      Yeah. If we look at five nights at freddy’s, the game that kinda made Game Theory famous, that game started off w/ little to no lore at all. Just some animatronics u had to avoid and some sprinkles of murder surrounding the franchise. The story didnt get properly expanded until the 2nd game. Things dont happen in an instant

    • @MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD
      @MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD 2 года назад +148

      @@ck7993 did you remember it from this video at 25:49 ?

  • @Andorzsiac
    @Andorzsiac 2 года назад +11466

    Markiplier was incredibly smart when deciding to drop this game, he hadn’t even touched the full release, but by the final alpha, he knew this game was gonna be shite, and lo and behold

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад +2527

      "There's a lot more stuff, but I can't honestly say that the stuff is better. And that's the one thing that I'll say about it because I'm expecting as the game develops, it's going to get like more logical and sensible and, you know, it just seems even more nonsensical than it was before. So there's a lot more, but it's less refined." - Markiplier

    • @3Guys1Video
      @3Guys1Video 2 года назад +65

      Damn

    • @klol-ld8jr
      @klol-ld8jr 2 года назад +334

      Wow he got it right on

    • @Felix-Felix
      @Felix-Felix 2 года назад +673

      @@TuriGamer While I agree that people "would still have watched it", he's the one doing the playthrough, and I don't believe he's struggling for views at the position he's in right now, so he can choose not to play a game if he's not going to give genuine reactions about it.
      Imagine watching a Markiplier video where he just constantly complain about the game, just like GeneralMcBadass used to do for Payday 2 at some point he was sick of it but still doing it for views.
      Just trying to be fair here, Mark likes being as genuine as he can be nowadays, so it's understandable if he sees the game won't be actual entertainment for HIS channel.
      That said, we're all free to stream the game ourselves if we think otherwise.

    • @nemtudom5074
      @nemtudom5074 2 года назад +24

      Did he ever say something about him dropping it, or did he just not play it anymore and moved on in silence?

  • @thespenserdavis
    @thespenserdavis 2 года назад +1713

    The perfect case study of "Quit while you're ahead." I still remember getting hooked on this game watching Let's Play vids of the Alpha and Beta versions... only to buy the finished version and realize five minutes in that the new nonsensical puzzles and mechanics made it downright unplayable.

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад +111

      Again, this is why I've always highly appreciated some cartoons like Gravity Falls. When it became critically acclaimed and reached astronomical heights of popularity, Alex Hirsch intentionally ended Gravity Falls sooner after two seasons to likewise avoid falling into the problematic demands of surpassing the series past what he originally intended and preventing the show from overstaying its welcome. Everyone likely questioned his decision and really wanted a third season, but because he prioritized his ability over the franchise he was able to create memorable quality works. And because of this, Gravity Falls doesn’t suffer from a “seasonal rot” and everyone still fondly remembers this series in good memory ten years after its official premiere. Same thing goes with Invader Zim and Avatar: The Last Airbender, although the former’s cancellation was because of different reasons alone (low ratings and expensive production budget).

    • @ilhambrewok7860
      @ilhambrewok7860 2 года назад +41

      @@HankJWimbleton-v1m Agreed. I honestly respect Alex Hirsch’s decision to intentionally end Gravity Falls after 2 seasons. It doesn’t really need a third season at all because it wrapped up almost everything on a satisfyingly high note. If the show didn’t get cancelled, however, its quality would’ve quickly plummeted down into the abyss and that franchise may get milked to death.

    • @Tony_Cardoza
      @Tony_Cardoza 2 года назад +11

      ​​@@HankJWimbleton-v1m He got that idea from Jerry Seinfeld, who had probably the original show that ended earlier than it could have (despite having 9 seasons), even after being offered something like several million an episode. (could have been a mil an episode, I cannot remember right now)

    • @TheBreakingBenny
      @TheBreakingBenny 2 года назад +2

      That's part of why I never wound up buying Hello Neighbor.

    • @salsatheone
      @salsatheone 2 года назад +2

      @@HankJWimbleton-v1m or you can simply call it "avoid jumping the shark".

  • @alexgo373
    @alexgo373 2 года назад +381

    This seems to be an issue with a LOT of russian game designers - for some reason they are incredibly contrarian when it comes to feedback and tend to double down on any system that players find frustrating. I guess the logic must be "if players are complaining that means they find this too difficult, meaning I should make it more of a focus because difficulty is good".

    • @r3qu0
      @r3qu0 Год назад +4

      Do you have any other examples?

    • @alexgo373
      @alexgo373 Год назад +75

      @@r3qu0 Older games mostly - havent played any for a while - Allods (aka Rage of Mages), Evil Islands, lots of things published back in a day by 1C.

    • @hardVatsuki
      @hardVatsuki Год назад +13

      literally me fr

    • @terrainrecords6038
      @terrainrecords6038 Год назад +21

      ​@@r3qu0 War Thunder

    • @AC-hj9tv
      @AC-hj9tv Год назад +6

      My Russian dev friends fr

  • @UltravioletNomad
    @UltravioletNomad 2 года назад +3702

    To me the biggest problem with Hello Neighbor is that it stopped being ABOUT the Neighbor. Most people will cite that the problems come when they seemed to revise the movement and took a downward spiral into a platformer, but coincided with that is the inclusion of the player model itself, and both of these signify a major negative change in the direction of the game. Mechanically it stopped being about the Neighbor and his learning AI to being about the house itself. Before the house was merely a tool for both you and the neighbor to interact with in this push and pull stealth battle, now the game lives and dies on the level design, and boy is the level design terribly loose. But then narratively, we also shift focus away from the neighbor and into the player character. Suddenly its a story about us and the neighbor is just the agent of chaos who sets the obstacles. While they definitely attempted to preserve the mystery of the neighbor, his motives and intentions are now secondary to this new story of a kidnap victim with PTSD. Its not really effective at telling this type of narrative, especially as the artstyle got more and more wacky as opposed to grim Burton-esque. The reality is, if you want to tell a mystery, then tell the mystery. The players role is just to be a new concerned neighbor, and as a video game we can fill that role, the player character doesn't need much of any backstory, just put something interesting behind that door and foreshadow it in the climb to achieve opening it. While the game wants us to dig into the motives of the neighbor, the big secret is blown in the first act, he has or was planning to hold a child hostage. It doesn't matter if hes doing it because his daughter and/or wife died, the secret is out before you even escape and hes taken care of after that. But then it gets worse with the flash backs, for one its confusing to understand what perspective any of them take, neighbor or the player, as they contain context for both characters. They use the dream thing to glance over the trippy stuff and the ridiculous final house, but that doesn't explain how the player's hallucinations elucidates us on the Neighbor's backstory. And while exact details are confusing and sparse, the big key points are right in your face with them. In fact I'd argue that between the flashbacks and cutscenes the game actually isn't cryptic enough and ruins any sense of mystery.
    Considering that they started to pour so much resources into the house, either for pandering to kids RUclips or a lack of ambition to actually refine what could have been really innovative stealth gameplay, they made no attempt to use the house to actually tell a compelling story, and the flashback sections are just a crutch to that affect, same as the box stacking is a crutch to any legitimate game design. The house isn't a place that is lived in and aside from that one room in the basement theres no context to who the neighbor really is hidden in the walls, its just wacky nonsense for the sake of wacky nonsense, and in that way, they failed to capture the reason why people love to dig into the lore of games like FNAF, the obvious success story they attempted to copy.
    Also yeah, I am now really suspect of the publisher of the game. I remember Tiny Build used to market themselves as a publisher that helps fund upstart devs with preserved creative control, but its obvious to me that you only get funding if they feel your product is marketable. Now that they have this IP that's big with children on RUclips, its become their sole focus, and the directions they are pivoting keeps turning towards this idea of shitting out content that either runs on potato pcs or on mobile keep kids buying, yet another way they are painfully attempting to copy the FNAF business model that was, until Security Breach at least, launching small but polished experiences that always brought a new mechanic to the table.

    • @UltravioletNomad
      @UltravioletNomad 2 года назад +164

      @@chronotone833 I remember when MatPat started playing the first two alphas, with the neighbor crying in the room, the Twitter post where he's reading Faust, it all seemed like we were heading somewhere really dark, but it ended up less frightening than an episode of Goosebumps. And it didn't even need to happen either. If Friday Night Funkin has taught me anything its that content does not need to be kid friendly to be marketable, they'll find it anyway and think the adult aspects are edgy and cool.

    • @TheMonaamohammed
      @TheMonaamohammed 2 года назад +37

      TL;DR

    • @13thKingMu
      @13thKingMu 2 года назад +35

      @@UltravioletNomad sometimes kids just like things that they don't even know the actual thing which started it like Squid games. The show is very dark and basically have actual gore with very good writing but unfortunately having lackluster ending that they hinted there'll be next season which most ppl expected it would going to be ruin the show.
      The show is very popular so much that other countries tried to milk it as a bootleg version of Squid games just for views purposes,same as fnaf and Poppy's playtime(this game somehow popular in my country that there're bootleg shirts and toys about it). Ppl just try to milk the franchise if it popular to kids that isn't Nintendo properties because they're milking their own franchise which is why they can ruined things that you like though fandom are much worse that something like fnaf gotten downhill due to them
      Edit:sorry if my English bad

    • @mugwithnocoffee2572
      @mugwithnocoffee2572 2 года назад +70

      Holy fuck, that's a lot of words

    • @Penguinmanereikel
      @Penguinmanereikel 2 года назад +20

      @@13thKingMu your English was mostly fine, but it fell apart a bit near the end

  • @dangernoodle3343
    @dangernoodle3343 2 года назад +2938

    I'm glad you mentioned the art style change because I feel like no one mentions how much that hurt the game. IDK what it is but the new art style they went for just ruined the unique style the game had in their previous alphas and really makes the game feel too cartoony

    • @adriansmith6708
      @adriansmith6708 2 года назад +25

      I am 12 and prefer old artstyle

    • @kryzzan7039
      @kryzzan7039 2 года назад +128

      @@adriansmith6708 ? (How the hell did this get 80 likes?)

    • @kaingussky7596
      @kaingussky7596 2 года назад +63

      I think the reason why the old art style is better is because the new one just has really no detail.

    • @valrend7374
      @valrend7374 2 года назад +9

      It reminds me a lot of the cat in the hat movie

    • @engineergaming1669
      @engineergaming1669 2 года назад +34

      Goofy ahh art style

  • @alexg9155
    @alexg9155 2 года назад +3154

    The story is basically Act 1, and after you get caught the kid is probably abused or something in the basement until he gets out years later at the end of Act 2, being traumatized for the rest of his life and having nightmares and whatnot. That's it. So much for deep lore and story.

    • @BallsInMyCup_
      @BallsInMyCup_ 2 года назад +108

      there are plenty of fan theories that logically use what the game portrays, so plot-wise i'd say there's enough to pick apart to be somewhat satisfied. the gameplay itself just isn't as compelling as it could have been.

    • @aboutthegiggins4236
      @aboutthegiggins4236 2 года назад +353

      @@BallsInMyCup_ lmao fan theories

    • @kennypowers1945
      @kennypowers1945 2 года назад +11

      It was good to me 🤷‍♂️

    • @kennypowers1945
      @kennypowers1945 2 года назад +10

      @@aboutthegiggins4236 better than the theories you have

    • @aboutthegiggins4236
      @aboutthegiggins4236 2 года назад +213

      @@kennypowers1945 fucking what ? Lol Did that even really make sense to you when you typed it out ,

  • @Morgannin
    @Morgannin 2 года назад +190

    20:00 "We're now much older and struggling from a crack habit, leaving us-"
    Okay slow down. I think we missed some plot development here, writers.

  • @roonkolos
    @roonkolos 2 года назад +995

    This game really could have spearheaded a "break & enter" sort of subgenre to Stealth games but they were way too busy trying to make a puddle appear deep rather than iron out the actual game itself

    • @ilhambrewok7860
      @ilhambrewok7860 2 года назад +56

      I remember watching Cr1TiKaL's playthrough of a Hello Neighbor knockoff in which you’re breaking into Adolf Hitler’s house (no, seriously). There’s also a crappy mobile game ripoff where you’re sneaking into SpongeBob’s house to steal all of his belongings. It’s amazing how both of them were somehow better than the original game itself.

    • @roonkolos
      @roonkolos 2 года назад +13

      @@ilhambrewok7860 yep. It's a strange sort of idea overall but it does have potential. At least I think it has potential. Just a shame one of the bigger potentials ended so poorly

    • @OtakuUnitedStudio
      @OtakuUnitedStudio 2 года назад +5

      Sad thing is, the mobile phone knockoffs that came out during the Alpha build days killed the possibility. Especially since none of those had actual endings. The genre was oversaturated with crap before the original was ever even finished.

    • @ZorotheGallade
      @ZorotheGallade 2 года назад +6

      I generally hate "simulator" games since they all appear samey and lazy, but Thief Simulator actually looks like what you would end up with if you went with that.

    • @anap1680
      @anap1680 2 года назад

      Mattpat did that

  • @docplays6508
    @docplays6508 2 года назад +1363

    Well like MatPat said in most recent theory, this game changed a lot lore wise cause some fan theories were able to guess the plot of the game but then they changed it just so people couldn’t guess how it was going to end

    • @bignerd3783
      @bignerd3783 2 года назад +136

      no that was security breach
      this one got shit because the devs chose theory bait/youtuber bait instead of making good gameplay

    • @Williamwillow_
      @Williamwillow_ 2 года назад +290

      @@bignerd3783 it was also the case for hello neighbor, the lore changed constantly with hello neighbor.

    • @testerwulf3357
      @testerwulf3357 2 года назад +142

      @@bignerd3783 I think it was mostly hello neighbor that did that..I mean after hello neighbor changed they started spamming mat for theories to get more attention.

    • @behindthecookie8653
      @behindthecookie8653 2 года назад +15

      I think the story and game has changed because of the audiences full of children.

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад +157

      @@behindthecookie8653 I remember when Hello Neighbor's setting was originally going to be a little bit disturbing and was targeted at a mature audience (from the information I've gathered about the older storyline, it was supposed to involve kidnapped children trapped inside the Neighbor's basement and satanic symbolism, both of which had already been foreshadowed by the Bible verses, and Johann Wolfgang von Goethe's Faust book), but they somehow decided to scrap everything about it.

  • @PrimmsHoodCinema
    @PrimmsHoodCinema 2 года назад +9311

    When they changed the chase music, I knew it was over lol.
    The first chase song was perfect. It was scary asf!!

    • @Lucas_OBrien
      @Lucas_OBrien 2 года назад +247

      True shit

    • @silentecho92able
      @silentecho92able 2 года назад +477

      @@Lucas_OBrien i still get a heart attack when that song hits my ears.

    • @CorruptTypes
      @CorruptTypes 2 года назад +384

      they really ruined the gam after taking that music away thern going to cartoony looks :/

    • @TalkativeGoofball
      @TalkativeGoofball 2 года назад +109

      Yep. Man it used to be so nostalgic and it was sometimes pretty scary. Not all too scary but creepy for sure. Man i loved it

    • @silentecho92able
      @silentecho92able 2 года назад +131

      @@TalkativeGoofball its a shame this game went to hell cause off a lot of stupid additions later on. In fact this game could have been similar to an Alien isolation game.

  • @Buckets50
    @Buckets50 Год назад +266

    I think the main issue they had was the concept for the AI is extremely ambitious and difficult to program. So I don’t think they necessarily chose the parkour route, it’s more that they reached their level of programming competency.
    It’s why most games like this have some sort of supernatural element so that the character chasing you can disappear and reorient without it looking janky.

    • @hilvystewy7298
      @hilvystewy7298 5 месяцев назад

      Oh, I didn't know fnaf SB animatronically were magic

    • @Buckets50
      @Buckets50 5 месяцев назад +11

      @@hilvystewy7298 you mean the animatronics that don’t move on screen, have pre-determined patterns and basically just teleport from one spot to another on a 2d image?
      Are you still confused by what my comment means?

    • @memewarranty
      @memewarranty 4 месяца назад +1

      @@Buckets50 Security Breach(FNAF 9) is a 3D free-roam game, my friend. And they disappear in thin air. Even here.

    • @Buckets50
      @Buckets50 4 месяца назад +4

      @@memewarranty FNAF has a supernatural element to its story so disappearing and reappearing works within the game as far as lore is concerned.
      The neighbor however is just some dude. If he disappeared it would immediately kill immersion and they’d have to change aspects of the lore in order to accommodate it. Are you still not understanding, my friend?

  • @bellarora9478
    @bellarora9478 2 года назад +3299

    I like a cheesy “he was a murderer” or “he’s trying to bring back his wife and daughter in some Frankenstein fashion”. You don’t always have to be deep in order to make a good game. The AI was already fantastic. The Alpha could have been cleaned up a bit, adding small details to the environment, patch up the story, and it could have perfect.

    • @unclebaba3463
      @unclebaba3463 Год назад +140

      Same, a simple story can still be a good story

    • @lunar_proxy
      @lunar_proxy Год назад +104

      i mean ain't that kinda deep enough anyway? having a guy turn a lil crayzee because his family died and having him keep people in his basement (either to recreate his family with his kidnapped victims or to frankenstein them idk)? that's pretty tragic. it works. having it be uncovered as you move around the house would've been neat, like maybe family photos or newspapers surrounding events, whatever. that works well enough to get youtubers to theorize and discuss the lore

    • @olivercharles2930
      @olivercharles2930 Год назад +70

      I would prefer some cartoonish shit with the neighbour actually trying to keep you discovering his goofy hobby or whatever. No need for a deep or dark story, and you can keep the horror up until the reveal.

    • @princam_4775
      @princam_4775 Год назад +5

      Mad Father moment

    • @theoneandonlyartyom
      @theoneandonlyartyom Год назад +68

      or like "turns out he's totally normal and you're some freak relentlessly invading his home"

  • @vangoghsseveredear
    @vangoghsseveredear 2 года назад +2144

    Fun fact: if the crowbar was red hot like that, it wouldn't be magnetic. It enters an austenetic phase and loses its magnetism. Therefore the puzzle was nonsensical from the start
    Source: I'm a welder and know metallurgy.

    • @DresDEAD617
      @DresDEAD617 2 года назад +84

      Off topic but what type of welder do you use? I use an arc welder

    • @vangoghsseveredear
      @vangoghsseveredear 2 года назад +241

      @@DresDEAD617 I'm a welder by trade. I use anything. Most of our work is stick and tig, but I held mig tickets too and worked in a shop before moving out to the field. Now I'm a boilermaker and work in power plants, refineries, shit like that.

    • @cyncir
      @cyncir 2 года назад +90

      I love your username

    • @MrLego3160
      @MrLego3160 2 года назад +149

      Can you confirm if a red hot crowbar stays red hot forever unless you use a watering can on it?

    • @mitzuriki
      @mitzuriki 2 года назад +4

      @@MrLego3160 THE FUCK?!

  • @bobthebadbucket9061
    @bobthebadbucket9061 2 года назад +2049

    They ended it in the worst way possible for a story. "And then he woke up"

    • @thorgidogofthunder
      @thorgidogofthunder 2 года назад +81

      i mean, you _can_ make that work. they just didn't.

    • @RIPraian
      @RIPraian 2 года назад +152

      @@thorgidogofthunder you can make it work but it’s one of if not the most basic and boring endings

    • @amunago080
      @amunago080 2 года назад +42

      @@RIPraian agreed, I just skip shit that "just a dream now" its played out and cheap now.

    • @GeorgeDCowley
      @GeorgeDCowley 2 года назад +7

      They also only did it for part of the story, leaving us with questions about the rest.

    • @timmyreobed5043
      @timmyreobed5043 2 года назад +45

      @@thorgidogofthunder
      It can work, but not as an ending. Omori did the "just a dream" thing perfectly, because the dream still has a ton of relevance to the plot instead of being a last minute cop-out.

  • @cutealiens
    @cutealiens Год назад +279

    Literally incredible that it went from that awesome, fun little tech demo to this giant, bloated, steaming pile of everything-but-what-was-in-the-tech-demo.
    Imagine if Hitman turned into a surrealist dreamworld platformer with puzzles that effectively require you to look up solutions.

    • @dysphoria_1.040
      @dysphoria_1.040 Год назад +7

      Imagine if we'd gone from original Hitman STRAIGHT to Absolution.

    • @aliencafe
      @aliencafe 11 месяцев назад

      @@dysphoria_1.040Absolution was my first Hitman game and man. I was SO confused.

  • @mastergecko1178
    @mastergecko1178 2 года назад +2223

    I feel like the devs of this game was just like: “Let’s make the wackiest nonsensical story possible, have some RUclipsr and Redditer come up with some theories and lore for the game and pretend that’s actually what we’ve meant to do the whole time.”

    • @Nonesens8557
      @Nonesens8557 2 года назад +12

      I think its cuz the developers doesn't want to be not lazy to make the story good

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад +86

      You could literally say the same comment to the developers of other indie horror games such as Bendy and Poppy Playtime.

    • @Gabe413
      @Gabe413 2 года назад +97

      @@HankJWimbleton-v1m because thats exactly what they did too

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад +69

      @@Gabe413 According to Chris Portal's explanation video about the controversy surrounding Bendy itself, developers of that game openly acknowledged in one interview that they only wrote the beginning and the end, with the middle being developed as they went along.

    • @LeviandTominHD
      @LeviandTominHD 2 года назад +8

      Proof Redditors ruin everything

  • @Otakupatriot117
    @Otakupatriot117 2 года назад +840

    It seems to me the biggest problem was there was a huge map full of items, but only one way to solve every puzzle. For example, if I needed to cool down a crowbar, I might think to stick it in the freezer. The fact there's only one way to do things is what always takes me out of games with "crafting" systems, and it seems like even the people who normally like those kind of games got fed up with how it was taken to the extreme here.

    • @ZorotheGallade
      @ZorotheGallade 2 года назад +39

      Yeah, Raft has the same problem. You can craft pretty much everything, but when you have to solve puzzles on the islands you need to find the fuses, crowbars, and other tools you could definitely make yourself (heck, you can craft a fully functional radar but not a crowbar? Do you have to find the one and only remaining crowbar in the world?) but you can't because the game wants you to find them in very specific places.

    • @frozenfoxgames5300
      @frozenfoxgames5300 2 года назад +17

      Or just do what Matpat did, and spend so much time trying to find a way to cool down the crowbar that when you do find a way its already cooled itself down.

    • @elvickRULES
      @elvickRULES 2 года назад +9

      It’s like a game with boards on a door, and having you need to chop it with an axe specifically and it won’t let you use a crowbar or hammer to pull out nails. One way only even though logically you could accomplish the goal already.

    • @VGamingJunkieVT
      @VGamingJunkieVT 2 года назад +5

      @@elvickRULES
      That's one thing I loved about Zelda Breath of the Wild. To some extent, it was a sandbox. They gave you the basic tools and said have at it.

  • @panqueque445
    @panqueque445 2 года назад +1304

    Honestly, the simpler this game was, the better it was. I never cared for the lore, it just kept getting more and more in the way. The lore is garbage and they bloated the hell out of an interesting game.

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад +74

      I personally don't really care about Hello Neighbor's lore that much. The explanations regarding the lore stuff just felt not fully accountable and extremely shallow, as all we got were told in half-assed symbolisms about childhood trauma, the Neighbor's background story being a metaphorical roller-coaster ride, and something about overcoming your fears? What? I've always just wanted a stealth horror experience about breaking into your neighbor's basement, nothing else.

    • @panqueque445
      @panqueque445 2 года назад +106

      @@HankJWimbleton-v1m Yeah. I was interested in the game when the story was just "your neighbor looks sketchy and is hiding something in his basement". The more they tried to complicate things, the more boring it got.

    • @jonathanpilcher337
      @jonathanpilcher337 2 года назад +12

      Now I'm just waiting for a developer to come along and make a serious stealth horror game that takes influence from alpha 1

    • @ilhambrewok7860
      @ilhambrewok7860 2 года назад +17

      @@panqueque445 Hello Neighbor’s lore just felt pretentious and lazy to me, as it constantly shoves obvious "symbolism" down the player and never does anything with it while acting "deep and serious" without any real effort.
      I don't think any of the elements they added in the final release, like the house on the neighbor's back or the childhood trauma stuff were truly symbolic. They basically wanted to slap everything together to make sure the game had enough content for $30 and to get it out as quickly as possible so it doesn't become obsolete. I was bored of the fucking vistas of plain white emptiness and bizarre stuff in the backdrop throughout the entire game. It was so amateurish and unintelligible. The rollercoaster cutscene was an extremely sloppy exposition dump, attempting to feed you the “plot” about the Neighbor’s background while putting no effort to the lore whatsoever. The minigames serves absolutely no purpose beyond either dragging out the game’s pacing, or providing us with poorly-told, blatant symbolisms about the main character’s childhood (such as frequently bullied in school by his classmates, being locked inside a pantry and starving for several days, and almost getting kidnapped by strangers while trapped in a supermarket).

    • @beansworth5694
      @beansworth5694 2 года назад +3

      @@HankJWimbleton-v1m It's possible to do that kind of thing well, and they dropped the ball with it. You can include intrigue with an actual meaning behind it in the stealth game, but you have to actually make it intriguing and not railroad the player into it while pretending to be profound with a half-assed product trying to do too many things at once without the proper development necessary to make any of them really work.

  • @thesupergamer5894
    @thesupergamer5894 Год назад +92

    Literally taking a writing course right now and one of the big things was that you should (almost) never end with your character waking up or realizing it was all fake

    • @superzockertvyt9630
      @superzockertvyt9630 10 месяцев назад +8

      It probably works better if the world looks kinds weird or if they make sure you know theres nothing you havent seen before in this world(everything has a memory attached to it because thats how dreams work)

    • @cynicalia
      @cynicalia 5 месяцев назад

      why not

    • @thesupergamer5894
      @thesupergamer5894 5 месяцев назад +7

      @@cynicalia because it means the entire book, story, movie, etc. was pointless... none of it happened, and none of it mattered

    • @cynicalia
      @cynicalia 4 месяца назад

      @@thesupergamer5894the friends we made along the way :)

    • @aaaaaaaaaaaaa-b6w
      @aaaaaaaaaaaaa-b6w 4 месяца назад +5

      I saw an interesting variation where the events of the story are all real but in the end the main character thinks it was all a dream
      But the events of said dream positively influence their life

  • @viralium104
    @viralium104 2 года назад +1789

    I remember being so hyped to find out what was in the basement, but when the game came out and it was this weird linear story, I lost interest. Finding out all these years later that the full game doesn't provide any actual answers is just so disappointing.

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад +176

      Yeah, all of that foreshadowing in the previous alphas (the Bible verses, Wolfgang Von Goethe's Faust book lying on the couch, the candles and pentagrams on the basement in Alpha 2, the painting of the Neighbor kissing somebody we haven't seen them yet, etc) turned out to be nothing.

    • @quinn799
      @quinn799 Год назад +3

      Saaaame

    • @ilikebunnies7633
      @ilikebunnies7633 Год назад

      ​@Noelle_Holiday Noelle, how is your dad doing? (Deltarune)

    • @cylerinque8354
      @cylerinque8354 11 месяцев назад

      When you start the game it's so exciting but when you finish it. It's just like, alright cool.

  • @LadyTeaBlossom
    @LadyTeaBlossom 2 года назад +5091

    I think it would've been interesting if they twisted the story. At first you think your neighbour is hiding a terrible secret (keeping people in his basement, murderer, etc.) And you try to find proof/release the victims. But when the game ends you're actually the antagonist, YOU are the nightmare neighbour breaking into the house because you're either crazy or a massive nosy Karen. Multiple endings would be great too like you either get arrested, the neighbour kills you in self defence, you can frame your neighbour oooooorrrr... You actually were right about him and you become his next victim.

    • @kakyoindonut3213
      @kakyoindonut3213 2 года назад +373

      your plot twist is great, but I didn't buy it. It's just to me that the original story could've worked if they did a better way at telling it, not by pursuing game theorist or big youtuber, just tell the damn story, and make good games

    • @thisperson345
      @thisperson345 2 года назад +300

      In the time you wrote this you already came up with a better story than the devs, congratulations

    • @pajwubx1809
      @pajwubx1809 2 года назад +63

      This sounds legitimately better

    • @joel9104
      @joel9104 2 года назад +38

      That sounds really good, you made a better plot in probably 10 mins than the devs did in about 2 years

    • @unstrungbeauty7208
      @unstrungbeauty7208 2 года назад +42

      @@kakyoindonut3213 The OG story has the pre-alpha man getting hit by the light pole that put him in a coma and he dreamed about the psychopath neighbor kidnapping the kids and boarding up the basement. You as the protagonist decided to go to the basement and rescue these kids without getting caught by the neighbor and getting out of the coma.

  • @bradleysmith9352
    @bradleysmith9352 2 года назад +1758

    This game is the definition of identity crisis. It doesn’t know what it wanted to be: A scary hide-go-seek game to a platform with non-sensible, out of worldly assets. I saw the ending coming, but I don’t understand how it could be the dream about the neighbour’s “lore/backstory” considering he never knew the neighbour personally. What made it worse is the second game made it Canon.
    Edit: No way: 1K? Thanks guys

    • @akuroashginishbav1943
      @akuroashginishbav1943 2 года назад +18

      I think you were supposed to be his child in the story or something, and the dreams were just memories

    • @CadgerChristmasLightShow
      @CadgerChristmasLightShow 2 года назад +37

      There's a second hello neighbor?!

    • @testerwulf3357
      @testerwulf3357 2 года назад +55

      I think most of it was a dream..which makes it worse. They put you through all those bs puzzels and stuff you didn't want only to be like "lol just a dream everything you did doesn't matter" till the last chapter.

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад +63

      @@testerwulf3357 This is why I’ve always hated the whole “it was all just dream” ending in video games. It’s so anticlimactic, done to death, and a shallow attempt for the developers to not bother answering all of the questions. That is, unless if it’s properly executed and felt rewarding to the player.

    • @bradleysmith9352
      @bradleysmith9352 2 года назад +2

      @@CadgerChristmasLightShow An actual game dedicated to hide and go seek with kids surprisingly enough

  • @timesnewlogan2032
    @timesnewlogan2032 Год назад +723

    Here's a better idea for the game: you get into the basement, and find out it's a sort of shrine to his dead son, centered around his grave. When the Neighbor finds you, you attempt to escape but nearly fall to your death, prompting him to save your life. After which, he sits down and reveals his son died in an accident while the house was being built, and he was never able to move on from it. The bizarre architecture was a means of coping, where each of the out of place puzzles was based on something his son enjoyed, or a moment they shared. You apologize, and he does the same, while smiling and thanking you, as the whole game made it feel like he got to play with his son one last time, and he feels like he can move on now. You return home, and out of your window, you see his house burning to the ground, as he smiles and waves goodbye before leaving the neighborhood for good, symbolically moving on from his past.
    It took me thirty seconds to come up with that.

    • @Foxhood
      @Foxhood Год назад +163

      Oh many where hoping for something along those lines. The real result being that the villian of the story, is revealed to be the player who simply wouldn't leave a clearly troubled person in peace, subverting the at the time popular and rapidly tiring "speculation bait" trope by showing there actually wasn't one.
      If only...

    • @Strafprozessordnung
      @Strafprozessordnung Год назад +35

      Sorry but also reads like something that you came up with in 30 seconds

    • @gabrielguedes6166
      @gabrielguedes6166 Год назад +134

      ​@@Strafprozessordnung and still sounds better than the current story

    • @Strafprozessordnung
      @Strafprozessordnung Год назад +22

      @@gabrielguedes6166 yup

    • @Epic-ft2bg
      @Epic-ft2bg Год назад +14

      @@gabrielguedes6166 true

  • @thesyndrome43
    @thesyndrome43 2 года назад +818

    Wait, so the whole time the story was basically:
    As a kid you see your neighbour acting weird, so decide to break into his house for some reason, only to find a bedroom in the basement, revealing him to be a kidnapper, then he captures you and locks you up, you escape and run away.
    Years later you go back home, the neighbour is long gone, you fall asleep on a couch and have a convoluted dream sequence about getting over your fears from that traumatic childhood event.
    that's it? I never played or watched much of the game but I remember seeing the hype and the "mystery" behind it, so for that mystery to be fairly common (albeit dark) and everything else just be LITERALLY made up nonsense because it's a dream must have been really disappointing for people looking forward to it.
    Also "it was a dream all along" was a trope that was tired 20 years ago, I remember watching shows in the early 2000's making fun of it, so for a writer to willingly choose to do that in this day and age is baffling, because I don't think I've ever once seen someone like that as an ending

    • @troodon1096
      @troodon1096 2 года назад +159

      "It was a dram all along" was already a tired trope when Wizard of Oz did that in 1939. It's a lot older than a 20 year old cliche.

    • @barryfraser831
      @barryfraser831 2 года назад +10

      I've read that officially, nothing that happened was a dream. Everything really happened.

    • @GiubileiFernando
      @GiubileiFernando 2 года назад +52

      Never played the game, when he mentioned it seemed like the basement opened up to a street and I saw the Exit sign over the door I assumed it was a door to parallel universes. The different houses could have been explained that way too.

    • @valletas
      @valletas 2 года назад +72

      "Its all a dream" only really works into serialised series where one episode can be as crazy as the director wants without breaking cannon
      When a fully fledge story ends with "its all a dream" not only do the viewer end up being let down but it also kills any potential the series has
      Why would you play a hello neighbor 2 if the first one already stablished that there are no consequences since its a dream?
      Like even if the gameplay was good i doubt many would want to play the sequel

    • @Hammerhead0276
      @Hammerhead0276 2 года назад +17

      It's exactly that, plus each time you get caught you have dreams that will indirectly tell you the trauma that made your neighbor a kidnapper. However, in a hilarious twist that I'm guessing they wanted to do for more game theories - They insist that despite going to sleep before Act 3 and waking up at the end of Act 4 - there is no dreaming in the game.

  • @orangexlightning
    @orangexlightning 2 года назад +432

    It started out as a unique "horror" game with a good premise, but then it devolved into random junk for the sake of being random junk.

    • @jcoolguy1548
      @jcoolguy1548 2 года назад +1

      I'd say it's more of a thriller than horror

    • @ilhambrewok7860
      @ilhambrewok7860 2 года назад +1

      The only reason it's categorized as "horror" is that when the Neighbor approaches you within a certain distance, there's an obvious thumping noise in the background and screen distortion (it was supposed to build tension but even then, they somehow bafflingly failed at that), and when you do get caught, being stared at by a guy staring right at your soul is more laughable than creepy, killing off all tension from the experience. They couldn't even do cheesy jumpscares right! It should’ve been considered to be a parody of horror games instead lol.

  • @corkplane3408
    @corkplane3408 2 года назад +2593

    The problem wasn't so much the narrative evolving or art style changing slightly. It was definitely the inconsistency of the puzzles, the game design directions with the platforming and the buggy gameplay surrounding those design choices. This is also a testament that you should do a closed-beta/alpha because people may like the early stages more and think that this is what the entire game should be. Then when you start taking things the direction you had originally planned, the public may resent these changes.

    • @QueSeraSeraaaa
      @QueSeraSeraaaa 2 года назад +89

      They went from interesting ideas and concept to a nonsensical "horror" game with broken gameplay and frustrating puzzles..
      They catered to the younger audience instead of the audience (regardless the ages), as a whole.
      Plus, they begged MatPat to make theories of their game..

    • @Infomaniac_Moment
      @Infomaniac_Moment 2 года назад +1

      Half Life 2 Beta anyone?

    • @ilhambrewok7860
      @ilhambrewok7860 2 года назад +25

      @@QueSeraSeraaaa Personally, I find the direction where they start appealing to the younger demographic to be a rather idiotic move and alienated their mature audience. It restricts the freedom to do whatever they want with their initial concepts and forcing them to tone everything down. Originally, the game wasn’t always had an overcomplicated story told through fragments, you just have to break into the Neighbor’s basement and that’s all about it.

    • @QueSeraSeraaaa
      @QueSeraSeraaaa 2 года назад +9

      @@ilhambrewok7860 I agree with you, when they catered to the younger audience, hell i’m sure a kid can’t complete the game alone..
      This game is based on stealth, i don’t see the horror.. nor i understand how this is labeled as such.

    • @MetroidChild
      @MetroidChild 2 года назад +5

      It went from a 3d take on clock tower (snes) to breath of the wild parkour, but vastly more scuffed.
      Add to that money grubbing (which was there from the start) and you got a recipe for disaster.

  • @mindergrewal6015
    @mindergrewal6015 8 месяцев назад +18

    THEN I WOKE UP IT WAS ALL A DREAM is how you end a story in a exam when you are running out of time . HAHAHA

  • @falloutfanfam9734
    @falloutfanfam9734 2 года назад +501

    Alpha 1/Pre alpha was so much fun. I wish they sticked with the less “stylised” mysterious stuff. I way preferred breaking into a house and being genuinely scared with a good adaptive AI rather than being chased by a big squiggly thing.

    • @connordorman117
      @connordorman117 2 года назад +2

      Saiko No Sutoka at least seems to be delivering on the premise of an adaptive A.I

    • @danitho
      @danitho 2 года назад +1

      Genuinely just being helpful here: stuck not sticked.

  • @judithsandoval8289
    @judithsandoval8289 2 года назад +214

    The first version seemed so good. Having the AI get smarter every time he found you while you try to solve puzzles. If they kept that the main focus it would’ve been soooo much better.

    • @kitkatty52211
      @kitkatty52211 2 года назад +1

      Some people are theorizing that it was a script and not actual AI but either way it was cool.

    • @lemons1559
      @lemons1559 2 года назад +11

      @@kitkatty52211 That's what AI is.

    • @kitkatty52211
      @kitkatty52211 2 года назад +2

      @@lemons1559 i mean that it wasnt an ai that adapts, that it was more of an animation of sorts.

    • @lemons1559
      @lemons1559 2 года назад +7

      @@kitkatty52211 Oh the trailer specifically? Yeah it looks more like a theatrical script.

  • @powdereyes2210
    @powdereyes2210 2 года назад +980

    I think the game mechanics in the 2014 version was way more interesting
    It made Neighbor seem more like he had much more control over your surroundings and would even freak you out by doing something unexpected
    And how the player could just block the door by pushing something in front of the door

    • @bloonsfamily2066
      @bloonsfamily2066 2 года назад +70

      also when you open a door in alpha 1 and the neighbor is standing there as if he knew you were there, oh and when you block a door with a chair and the neighbor just breaks the door off

    • @shadowsbane3
      @shadowsbane3 2 года назад +39

      you could lock the neighbor out in the first version by making him board up all the windows and then blocking the doors with him outside.

    • @forrestmacleod7848
      @forrestmacleod7848 2 года назад +33

      @@shadowsbane3 yes but that seems more like an exploit/cheese rather than an intended game mechanic. It probably took a while to set up and you most likely had to finesse the AI a bit, where as now you can just take two seconds to push a box in front of a door and he can’t get to you.

    • @HydragonofDeath
      @HydragonofDeath 2 года назад +15

      @@nemo1716 I dont think he intended that as saying he preferred the updated gameplay but moreso explaining how in the older versions you had to go out of your way to cheese and break the AI but in the newer versions you can do it without even trying. Meaning he meant the older versions were better.

    • @forrestmacleod7848
      @forrestmacleod7848 2 года назад +4

      @@HydragonofDeath thank you this is exactly what i meant lol

  • @judyh3707
    @judyh3707 Год назад +83

    I can't believe they went with that last act with a straight face, thinking it would be something besides a painful attempt at sentimentality

  • @PastelWorldDolls
    @PastelWorldDolls 2 года назад +1431

    They really took the "kid friendly horror game" thing to heart and it hurt the game. Unlike FNAF, which manages to be scary and still not super inappropriate, they just changed this from being creepy to kooky, for no good reason.

    • @dunsun6395
      @dunsun6395 2 года назад +47

      Look at security breach though

    • @_-Lx-_
      @_-Lx-_ 2 года назад +87

      No FNAF is still definitely a huge offender, the series had jumped the shark and become trash by 3 and that was only months after the first game.
      And security breach is an absolute unfinished abomination desperate for the audience of small children and furries.

    • @dunsun6395
      @dunsun6395 2 года назад +14

      @@_-Lx-_ i don't think it became trash after 3. Fnaf 4 was a pretty good game
      Of course it wasn't the same fnaf but what you had to do was still the same. You had to protect yourself from animatronics by checking out places
      But unfortunately in sister location everything went down

    • @Unknown-rm8zp
      @Unknown-rm8zp 2 года назад +28

      @@_-Lx-_ I think FNAF security breach might have a good game in paper but when you give your mature audience a 5 yo type of game, than obviously they are going to hate it. Not to mention Scott leaving the company after being called for his support of republican. Also, after seeing the game being hyped a lot, playing it for yourself might be unscary considering you have seen on animation 6900 times.

    • @CallForGrandPappy
      @CallForGrandPappy 2 года назад +29

      Fnaf went just as if even more off the rails, they turned a horrifying and intriguing premise into a convoluted mess which makes the Cod zombies storyline seem “simple” in comparison.
      Fnaf just sold very well.

  • @Pers0n97
    @Pers0n97 2 года назад +645

    A combo of the two good ol pitfalls that plague most indy games:
    - trying to put parkour in your game when the controls are just not good enough to pull it off
    - rely on a lot of object manipulation with clunky physics
    It even hit the other grand classic : Puzzle with only ONE solution despite the environment offering a lot of obvious alternative.

    • @seancrosby6837
      @seancrosby6837 2 года назад +12

      Sometimes physics manipulation works perfectly fine, like in Amnesia or Penumbra, both made by Frictional Games

    • @Pers0n97
      @Pers0n97 2 года назад +33

      @@seancrosby6837 because their physic wasnt clunky.

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад +50

      @@Pers0n97 Half-Life 2 has better physics manipulation and platforming than Hello Neighbor and that game is 18 years old. How did the developers screw up what’s already been perfected in the past?

    • @migueeeelet
      @migueeeelet 2 года назад +37

      @@Pers0n97 No, because Amnesia didn't rely on physics as a crutch to make its game interesting (same as Half Life 2).

    • @Pers0n97
      @Pers0n97 2 года назад +4

      @@migueeeelet That too.

  • @todtrash7799
    @todtrash7799 2 года назад +971

    This has a “you don’t understand this masterpiece” aura from the developers.

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад +102

      My reaction: "This game is the biggest load of hoohaa I've seen. Why do you insist we play this stupid thing?"
      A 9-year-old Hello Neighbor fanboy: "Am I the only one who understands the complexity of this cinematically ambitious masterpiece?"

    • @TheBonkleFox
      @TheBonkleFox 2 года назад +18

      @@HankJWimbleton-v1m Bruh I don't even remember kids having "hello neighbor" phases like we had with fnaf.

    • @pawnstarrickharrison7225
      @pawnstarrickharrison7225 2 года назад +1

      stop eating mah gawt dam corn

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад

      @@TheBonkleFox Yeah, me too.

    • @Fallensabre-uw7hb
      @Fallensabre-uw7hb 2 года назад

      ​@@HankJWimbleton-v1m a fellow GAOBAM fan I see.
      This GAME isn't stupid! YOU'RE stupid!!

  • @messsssylive
    @messsssylive 13 дней назад +3

    It’s been 2 years since this has been uploaded, but genuinely this game was all I could think about for a few months when I was 15. I swear I watched very person play it, every theory, every secret room, and believed so many fake videos people made about finding secrets. I was in love with the concept, the style, everything. And then as quickly as I was in love with it, it went away because people got frustrated with the direction it was heading and it just stopped being fun to play and theorize. They had this huge concept with no real ending in mind. They could have taken it slow and really hammered out the finer details instead of riding the train as fast as possible to the destination. The only good thing I like seeing about it is the speedrun of it tbh

  • @JustWowNick
    @JustWowNick 2 года назад +658

    You can tell this was one of the devs personal project, and the company they worked for hijacked it because they saw it could make money.

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад +73

      Executive meddling at it’s finest.

    • @WhoAmIHmmm
      @WhoAmIHmmm 2 года назад +15

      I don't think the publisher was connected to how shit hello neighbor is

    • @ilhambrewok7860
      @ilhambrewok7860 2 года назад +98

      @@WhoAmIHmmm Seeing how the publishers kept milking this franchise and kept bothering Matpat to make an analysis video on the animated series, I think it could be a possibility.

    • @WhoAmIHmmm
      @WhoAmIHmmm 2 года назад +3

      @@ilhambrewok7860 apparently the guy who tried to make matpat check out the game was someone joking around
      That's what I found in another comment

    • @ilhambrewok7860
      @ilhambrewok7860 2 года назад +58

      @@WhoAmIHmmm But I’ve also heard that apparently, the tinyBuild employee who is responsible for tweeting those tweets in question, was (allegedly) a MatPat fanboy. They were reprimanded and got fired from the company according to a public statement. Or, you know, that's what they want us to believe.

  • @noirlavender6409
    @noirlavender6409 2 года назад +1670

    the true problem with this is that the premise seemed okay innocent enough and fun, just a kid spying on his neighboor, that's all it should have been. Act 1 should have ended with something shockingly sad or creepy, like the Neighbor was just being overly protective because in that room he had his super ill wife or child, ending with a fun game and a short good experience. But they wanted to milk it as much as they could so instead of making a good cake they keep adding shit on top until it tasted, well, like shit.

    • @videoms1271
      @videoms1271 2 года назад +68

      IIRC the "lore" was he killed his kid in a car accident, that's why he's so reclusive and wierd

    • @EonTheAien
      @EonTheAien 2 года назад +101

      @@videoms1271 His wife was killed in a car accident he had a part in, and his son pushed his daughter off his roof

    • @EonTheAien
      @EonTheAien 2 года назад +78

      @@videoms1271 And yeah nah, lore's still shit

    • @videoms1271
      @videoms1271 2 года назад +26

      @@EonTheAien exactly why I said "lore"

    • @jiggycalzone8585
      @jiggycalzone8585 2 года назад +67

      I figured at most you go into the basement and its a larger than expected maze that reveals itself to be a secret backdoor to all the houses in the neighborhood including your own. You open the final door and find a clone of yourself. And information that says you were programmed to test his home defense system prototype so he can sell it to... lets say.. Black Mesa. Right before he sneaks up behind you and hits your off switch like every other time you get caught

  • @justabearbrowsingyoutube4968
    @justabearbrowsingyoutube4968 2 года назад +931

    I don’t think you were being “petty” when you mentioned the design change. It is strange to change the visual design of a game drastically that sudden between betas. From a somewhat neutral environment designed consistent with the overall game theme, to Loony Toon style without plot reasons would catch anyone off gaurd lol!

    • @DeathProductions200
      @DeathProductions200 2 года назад +6

      However it is good to note that if a design change does happen, its better to do so during the development stages rather than after you upload the full release

  • @jj48
    @jj48 Год назад +35

    When I first saw this game, I figured the ending was going to be that there was nothing sinister with the neighbor, and it turned out you've been harassing this poor guy over nothing, when all he wants is for people to stop breaking into his house.
    I still think that would have made a more fun twist.

  • @TheBappin
    @TheBappin 2 года назад +1187

    I love this concept of "big hyped game that disappeared almost instantly without anyone even noticing". How many games have I forgotten about that I was once hyped up about? How can i remember if i don't know what i need to remember? will you remember for me?

    • @Unknown-rm8zp
      @Unknown-rm8zp 2 года назад +52

      I have seen the same with every bad game of today, for eg Cyberpunk 2077 or else cyberbug 2077

    • @avenged-khaos
      @avenged-khaos 2 года назад +162

      @@Unknown-rm8zp except everyone still remembers cyberpunk

    • @dainyvick8262
      @dainyvick8262 2 года назад +47

      More like subnatica 2.

    • @williamrhea-banker3005
      @williamrhea-banker3005 2 года назад +65

      You remember a year or two ago when everyone was talking about that game "New World" and they claimed that it was the next step in gaming and everything? Like they made this game seem like it was going to change how developers made games, completely... and then it just disappeared... As far as I know, it still came out and everything, but it's really just another lackluster open-world RPG

    • @standardhuman8675
      @standardhuman8675 2 года назад +42

      idk if it made it big at all, but what about tattletail?

  • @Lenape_Lady
    @Lenape_Lady 2 года назад +786

    Nothing makes me more infuriated and want to immediately drop a game than convoluted, nonsensical, non-intuitive puzzles.

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад +54

      Puzzles, or at least well-designed ones, don't necessarily have to abide by the laws of physics to feel grounded in reality, but they do need to construct their own designated set of rules for the world to functionally operate. The player should be aware of the sandbox restrictions as well as whether the principal foundation they build upon is highly realistic to some degree, or slightly override conventional laws with more leniency and employs the whimsical level design for humorous effect, a la Looney Tunes or Tom & Jerry. However, Hello Neighbor is utterly lacking in internal consistency and self-contradicts itself when it comes to establishing its own rules, almost as if they desperately attempt to improvise everything as they went along.

    • @Lenape_Lady
      @Lenape_Lady 2 года назад +35

      @@HankJWimbleton-v1m Agreed. If the player can’t rely on information and experience they gained from completing previous puzzles in the game, or if the game physics/laws/rules constantly contradict themselves…it creates nothing but confusion and aggravation.

    • @letbrettlive
      @letbrettlive 2 года назад +2

      @@HankJWimbleton-v1m so are you saying im not actually dumb for not ever being able to finish the rest of the games because of not knowing what to do for the puzzles?

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад +9

      @@letbrettlive Don’t blame yourself for not knowing the solutions to the puzzles unless you’ve already watched some of those walkthroughs. Blame the developers for this questionable game design. It’s not the playerbase’s fault, by the way.

    • @MissPoplarLeaf
      @MissPoplarLeaf 2 года назад +9

      This is what made Portal so great - the earlier puzzles teach you all the basic concepts. Then the later puzzles get more complex, but they always use the same principles that the earlier puzzles used, just in new configurations, and sometimes requiring the player to combine those principles to solve the puzzles. When you figure out the next step, it's incredibly satisfying, because you naturally figured it out using the principles you learned before. I feel like this is one of the best design philosophies that you can use when designing puzzle focused games.
      It seems like Hello Neighbor just doesn't design its puzzles in intuitive ways like that at all. It's more like a blind guessing game.

  • @WantSomeWhiskey818
    @WantSomeWhiskey818 2 года назад +331

    This game went from promising to cynical within months. I was on the hype train until either Alpha 3 or 4, I forget which one specifically but it just felt like the devs were phoning it in because of how popular it was. The moment I knew it was a failure was when tinyBuild on twitter kept BEGGING MatPat to do a Game Theory on it which was just sad. It may have been financially successful but man, it flopped hard with what it tried to actually do. Its a damn shame, its such a good idea.

    • @SpellboundSpectre
      @SpellboundSpectre 2 года назад +14

      It tried to be AAA game, but just couldn’t accept it never would be past a b tier one

    • @Haurent
      @Haurent 2 года назад +3

      People even made songs about the damn thing, so you can guess the hype was reaaaal

    • @scottbecker4367
      @scottbecker4367 2 года назад +1

      @@SpellboundSpectre no, it tried to be FNAF. The problem is that FNAF actually had a decent gameplay loop. The lore was secondary.

  • @DreadlyKnight
    @DreadlyKnight Год назад +23

    When I was playing this, I remember the absolute worst part of the game after alpha 3 was that it was just nonsense. There was no rhyme or reason to the puzzles. It made no sense, none of it was even possible without outside knowledge or just throwing yourself at impossibilities nonstop until something worked or you stumbled upon the solution by accident. This game is exactly what a puzzle game should NOT be.

  • @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache
    @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache 2 года назад +10455

    I remember this game quite well, I still remember watching Dashie struggle through this game

    • @WickedWiz
      @WickedWiz  2 года назад +1700

      There was a moment where Markiplier basically gave up on the whole hype due to how nonsensical everything is.

    • @romanfuchs1932
      @romanfuchs1932 2 года назад +164

      Its the legendary man that does not have a Moustache. When will you get interviewed by Wicked Wiz?

    • @PatrickBergersen
      @PatrickBergersen 2 года назад +36

      Oh it’s you

    • @harlanjames8398
      @harlanjames8398 2 года назад +34

      @@WickedWiz that guys a bot he’s in practically every comment section

    • @Saftevand4
      @Saftevand4 2 года назад +135

      @@harlanjames8398 He's not a bot just somebody who is a verified commenter because youtube forced them to be one 🤓

  • @NiffisWorld
    @NiffisWorld 2 года назад +1252

    The problem with creating a game with a focus on an AI is, that the AI has to be good or better amazing. And thats hard to achieve. The first build in white with just the red neighbour could for all we know be a scripted event instead of an AI reacting to the player blocking the door or trying to run through different passages. Still, the first builds (alpha 1 and 2) seem to be pretty good and a lot of fun.
    But alpha 1 and 2 are builds where the AI works in a pretty small environment, so while thats good for the ai it also means theres only so much content. So they made the decision to create more content and the AI couldnt keep up with that (and they probably didnt manage to fix it in a way it could because the bigger the world and the more stuff to interact the harder it is to make a decent AI). With the AI as a focus gone because of the scope of the world, they needed a new focus which was platforming. While platforming isnt anything bad it took away from the premise that got people interested in the first place.

    • @wormsign2637
      @wormsign2637 2 года назад +31

      Why not multiple small houses with different puzzles and clones of Mr. Neighbor?

    • @NYKevin100
      @NYKevin100 2 года назад +76

      Or one big house, but there's two (or three) neighbors, each patrolling a different floor. Or cheat and use rubber banding to make the one neighbor seem smarter than he actually is (i.e. the hunt state has a higher speed when the neighbor is further away and out of line of sight, the idle state has a chance to "randomly" bring the neighbor to the same room as the player, the neighbor can teleport if he gets really far away, etc.). For that matter, I feel like you could just steal Left 4 Dead's "AI director" idea, tweak it a bit to fit the stealth gameplay, and it would still work fine. Of course, you'd first need to design a house that doesn't look like it popped out of Willy Wonka's chocolate factory, because you want the neighbor to semi-realistically pantomime "normal" behavior, and there's no such thing as "normal" when your floor is a shark-infested moat.

    • @TheSharkkyy
      @TheSharkkyy 2 года назад +50

      I agree with you. The only AI I've seen pull this off is Alien: Isolation

    • @pineforest1442
      @pineforest1442 2 года назад +2

      @@NYKevin100 I would’ve scaled down.

    • @pineforest1442
      @pineforest1442 2 года назад +2

      @@wormsign2637 I’m not sure I like the idea of neighbor clones.

  • @galaxy-eb9sp
    @galaxy-eb9sp 2 года назад +324

    fun fact! the person who bothered matpat on twitter got fired!

    • @WickedWiz
      @WickedWiz  2 года назад +172

      That is in fact, one fun fact!

    • @lexo632
      @lexo632 2 года назад

      Yahoo

    • @LOWBORN-the-LOATHSOME
      @LOWBORN-the-LOATHSOME 2 года назад +57

      Fun fact: MatPat hurled mad shade at this game in his Portal 2 video.

    • @hanzofactory
      @hanzofactory 2 года назад +52

      Good. I got major second-hand embarrassment from that shit

    • @kry4853
      @kry4853 2 года назад

      Context?

  • @Hunkonly6678
    @Hunkonly6678 Год назад +46

    It’s sad how the pre alpha was literally the best version it was the most realistic it was just a creepy man doing suspicious things in his basement and it would send chills down my spine when he would chase me

  • @Flaris
    @Flaris 2 года назад +1374

    In some ways they weren't wrong. It was certainly fun to a degree watching people delve into this game before release and trying to piece things together. It's a shame the game itself never lived up to it. If only it was closer to the original concept and the earliest pre-alpha builds. But...such is.

    • @samsamsamuelsamsamsamtheio8445
      @samsamsamuelsamsamsamtheio8445 2 года назад +14

      Keeping the realistic artstyle alone would’ve made it 100 times better

    • @skeletoninyourbody9896
      @skeletoninyourbody9896 2 года назад +2

      @@samsamsamuelsamsamsamtheio8445 no.
      It never had a realistic style idk what r u on

    • @loafstudios847
      @loafstudios847 2 года назад +9

      @@skeletoninyourbody9896 It did kind of. Let me explain simpleton, the effects doesn’t looks that goofy looks more realistic compared to the goofy style that the later alphas had

    • @peterjohnson11655
      @peterjohnson11655 2 года назад +15

      @@skeletoninyourbody9896 It wasn't photo-realistic or anything, but aside from the neighbor, everything in the house looked fairly lifelike. The Tim Burton-esque art style gave the game a more serious/intense feel, and contributed to the horror, imo. The new cartoonish art style really doesn't work for me. I feel like the original style hit the perfect balance between realistic and stylized, but the new one goes way overboard and takes away from the horror since everything looks so goofy looking. The removal of the original chase music also knocked the game's spookiness down a lot.

    • @jonathanpilcher337
      @jonathanpilcher337 2 года назад +7

      @@skeletoninyourbody9896 it obviously wasn't realistic but it was more realistic/darker than the very on-the-nose cartoony art style they opted for after, that's what they're saying

  • @frythechip7930
    @frythechip7930 2 года назад +418

    If I remember correctly, apparently all the lore, all the theories that were done on the early alpha versions of the game, the developers decided to throw most of that lore away and change it. So, MatPat's early theory video of Hello Neighbour was pointless. All the pictures they did a while back, where they hid lore in them, all pointless

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад +97

      Remember all the cool "hidden lore" stuff like the Bible verses, Wolfgang Von Goethe's Faust book lying on the couch, the candles and pentagrams on the basement in Alpha 2, the painting of the Neighbor kissing somebody, weird children's drawings scattered throughout the house, and the mysterious silhouette-like figure standing behind the Neighbor in one screenshot? Yeah, none of the stuff I've mentioned actually meant anything.

    • @frythechip7930
      @frythechip7930 2 года назад +45

      @@HankJWimbleton-v1m yea, a big disappointment. This game had so much potential and the developers nerfed it

    • @joel9104
      @joel9104 2 года назад +13

      They threw it all away so the matpat would make a new video to guess the new story

    • @queennamirivythorn2040
      @queennamirivythorn2040 2 года назад +24

      Exactly this. Like, why even make a story and hint about it if you’re going to throw a tantrum about people following and figuring out your hints? That and the game just plain being boring was such a drag.

    • @Thor-Orion
      @Thor-Orion 2 года назад

      @@HankJWimbleton-v1m BATIM?

  • @Luke-pt2qf
    @Luke-pt2qf 2 года назад +726

    To me, the whole Hello Neighbor thing fell apart when they started adding tons of weird shit to the house, like a security shark, train tracks, win turbines, etc. It kind of ruined the atmosphere of hiding away from the neighbour in his house, and changed it into a sort of looney toons feel. I would have left parkour out of the equation for sure, and fix all the major bugs it has.
    I seen a video on Hello Neighbour 2 and it's AI is super janky, and you can skip right to the end cutscene by breaking a window and climbing in.

    • @ethanlivemere1162
      @ethanlivemere1162 2 года назад +39

      The shark and tracks were in it from alpha 1 (though the tracks weren't accessible)

    • @spiffyavatar3611
      @spiffyavatar3611 2 года назад +23

      hello neighbor 2 is still unfinished and their taking feedback now so these glaring issues have been made aware and probably already fixed. The game has been continuously going through lots of reworks based on the feedback and it seems pretty fun now

    • @SharkPool_SP
      @SharkPool_SP 2 года назад +38

      To me it was the change of textures, alpha 1 had realistic textures and it felts more realistic, then after the textures got more and more cartoonish

    • @thesimpostor6251
      @thesimpostor6251 2 года назад +2

      lmao you can jump to the ending cutscene in FNaF: Security Breach, too, but just stratting and clipping through assets a few times

    • @Luke-pt2qf
      @Luke-pt2qf 2 года назад +1

      @@thesimpostor6251 Yeah, so?

  • @HECKproductions
    @HECKproductions Год назад +36

    it feels like a little child is trying to make up a sotry
    "and then un... uhhh... this happened... and then uh..... that happened and and and... and then there was a super big man uhhh... and uh you had to uhh... like jump or something?"

  • @ThePacMiner
    @ThePacMiner 2 года назад +228

    The game Granny kinda fulfilled that promise of being followed while sneaking around someones house, even though youre not trying to break in, but break out.

    • @ThePacMiner
      @ThePacMiner 2 года назад +31

      @The ultimate, one and only RUclips cooking channel in Granny, the titular antagonist does lay down bear traps and i think she even locks some doors. But its definetely not very fleshed out, nothing like the boarded windows or cameras.

    • @ThePacMiner
      @ThePacMiner 2 года назад +8

      @The ultimate, one and only RUclips cooking channel ah right, mustve misremembered how they worked.

    • @Breakaway-ic5gj
      @Breakaway-ic5gj 2 года назад +15

      I have heard there is a fangame called Hello Neibhour Alternate Reality which preserves alpha 1's spirit

    • @speedforce8970
      @speedforce8970 2 года назад +3

      I think even granny fell out after 1. The house in granny 1 is the best in the series imo and it also looks the best graphically to my eyes. Granny 2 and 3 just look worse I think and are way less scary too with way too many unfair feeling deaths.

    • @Contactdecline
      @Contactdecline 2 года назад

      your comment is nothing but complete facts. you got my like

  • @thebatmanofneo-gotham5667
    @thebatmanofneo-gotham5667 2 года назад +748

    I find it quite odd how the game took a focus towards parkour in its gameplay, when in truth, the way the house itself is modeled doesn't properly facilitate the necessity of parkour. Like, there are parts of the house that require nonsensical moves you need to perform in order to reach certain places, which only leads to moments of unfettered frustration.
    What makes the parkour even worse are the abundance of puzzles, which, as is stated in this video, are convoluted. You come across a certain section of the Neighbor's house you need to enter, but you can't do that unless you have a certain item, and you can't get that certain item unless you do this set of parkour moves. That gameplay cycle repeats over and over until you just become annoyed and fed up with the confusion.
    Simply put, the design of the house actively works against the implemented parkour system, which is further exacerbated by the mishmash of confusing puzzles. It's because of this that getting to where you need to go becomes a downright unenjoyable practice in trial and error, and when you're making a game, the very last thing you want for it is to be unenjoyable.

    • @migueeeelet
      @migueeeelet 2 года назад +19

      Parkour is a cheap gameplay thing to add. Just add jumps.
      Puzzles too. A proper puzzle, mind you, can be hard to make, but "roam around and find the button"? Now that's cheap.
      Oh also forcing hte player to suddenly use your physics engine for their puzzles/parkour is also another cheap gameplay trick.

    • @Contactdecline
      @Contactdecline 2 года назад +2

      comment spoke nothing but facts your comment gets a like from me

    • @Sushi-447
      @Sushi-447 2 года назад +2

      Bro this comment reminded me that mishmash is a word 💀

    • @jacoblineberry1788
      @jacoblineberry1788 2 года назад +2

      If I had to take a guess, I'd say they initially hoped they'd be able to surprise people by making the A.I. even better. If I were developing this game and took this direction, that would be the main thing driving my decisions.
      To put it into perspective, imagine if, first off, the parkor was better. Imagine if, once you figured out the physics, you could consistently do it. Now, imagine if the neighbor too could figure out parkor, and/or, he could potentially do it better than the average player who didn't have experience with Parkor.
      Now imagine that there are multiple ways to parkor your way to different goals, and the neighbor can figure out which way would work best to cut you off from whatever way you're currently using, and the more habitual you get in using this way, the better he gets at cutting you off.
      With that in mind, it would make sense to make things in a more fantastical tim-burton style world which also follows laws of physics and logic that would make more sense in a Tim Burton Movie.
      Now, also imagine you want to really sell this... what will scare away less people? Actually, let me rephrase that. What would... be the most friendly to merchandising and spreading? Tim Burton Style? Or, cartooney style.
      Now imagine you want to pump out updates on a monthly basis and you learn making an AI as good as the one defined is going to be even more difficult than the one you already designed, and you have to actually put care into the platforming to make it work.
      I honestly think they just gave up on their initial concept to a point because i turned out to be either too much work, or they couldn't figure out a way to actually do it. Or, something went wrong with something that was initially integral to doing it, and they could no longer rely on it.
      I don't think parkor on its own is bad. I don't think making your own solutions to parkor is bad... but the way this game did it feels less like an exciting version of that, like: "Oh, yeah! I get to figure this out myself! I see a lot of ways that might work or that I want to at least try and alter as I learn what works and what doesn't." and more like: "Oh, they provided a lot of boxes and stuff to stack and climb.... and the physics aren't consistent or smooth... and this is going to be a mess that is more relient on luck than a mix of planning, skill, and some luck."

  • @notmegaming9038
    @notmegaming9038 2 года назад +946

    The puzzles reminded me of the older Sierra games where sometimes a completely illogical combination of items was needed or in some instances of the older ace attorney games where multiple items could prove something but only 1 was acceptable

    • @hei7846
      @hei7846 2 года назад +63

      But the thing is no matter what happened Ace Attorney was a fuckin phenomenal game. The music the wacky characters and the designs. It never felt like they are milking the fanbase

    • @Mickael_Mineo
      @Mickael_Mineo 2 года назад +52

      @@hei7846 I love AA, really do. But there are times where you have to show X character ONE item in order to trigger a dialogue or action from them and certain chapters have like three to four rows of evidence to show.

    • @Trinthegay
      @Trinthegay 2 года назад +12

      Literally they could've made multiple options with the tons of evidence that u had but nooo it has to be a specific one.

    • @davidkanengieter
      @davidkanengieter 2 года назад +5

      Leisure Suit Larry series had a lot of item combos that made no sense and some you figured out by accident. Led to just walking around Spam clicking everything.

    • @KamenNepper
      @KamenNepper 2 года назад +8

      @A Catalan Liam yeah, but that one is great because it has batshit insane things that are only possible in ace attorney. crazy laws like attorneys getting sentenced to death if they lose the case or just (spoilers) being held at gunpoint for the duration of the trial. also the divination seance is imo one of the best mechanics in the game.
      dual destinies, on the other hand... but if we're talking about milking in the series, i feel like the second investigations game fits the definition better lol

  • @flamingcroatan3739
    @flamingcroatan3739 Год назад +14

    Employee: "What do we do about Lore?"
    Director: "Umm pfffffft EH throw in some vague clues, the theory hounds will fill in the gaps"

  • @dannytheman1313
    @dannytheman1313 2 года назад +594

    I remember the original story being about how the neighbor was actually your estranged father and how you were responsible for the death of your sister. That was where the whole thing with the coffin originally came in. Unfortunately once the hype machine started the game got too ambitious and thats where the downfall started.

    • @ilhambrewok7860
      @ilhambrewok7860 2 года назад +76

      Isn't that the whole story of Hello Neighbor: Hide and Seek, if I remember correctly? I mean, the difference is that you're playing as the Neighbor's daughter instead of his son.

    • @novustalks7525
      @novustalks7525 Год назад +3

      That's what the story is nowadays though

    • @ticklemedaddy
      @ticklemedaddy 11 месяцев назад +17

      ​@@novustalks7525 Nay, that was a last minute retcon, the final achievement even alludes to this

    • @novustalks7525
      @novustalks7525 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@ticklemedaddy what is the final achievement?

    • @ticklemedaddy
      @ticklemedaddy 11 месяцев назад +24

      @@novustalks7525 I believe it is "Like Father Like Son" which is earned after beating the giant Neighbor, maybe you have to do something to get it or if you get it either way... I wouldn't know

  • @nikumaeda
    @nikumaeda 2 года назад +326

    I completely forgot granny was inspired by this. This game was just completely wiped from my memory until this video
    You're telling me THIS had a series???? The last thing this game needs is more lore I think the first version that blew up was the best one, the concept was very simple then the game and the plot became overcomplicated for no reason

    • @pkmntrainerred4247
      @pkmntrainerred4247 2 года назад +8

      Granny was inspired by THIS?! I remember watching my younger cousin play it once, IDK why I didn`t recognize the similarities.... LOL I even helped him even tho I had literally no experience of playing it

  • @valentinemiller8680
    @valentinemiller8680 4 месяца назад +7

    The way this game went from "hey, your neighbor is a little weird and has something super secret in his basement, wonder what it is?" to this absolute fever dream is dumbfounding to me. If they just stuck to the way they had in the first alpha it would have been an interesting game that could have had a lot of interesting lore, but it seems with all of the later alphas and the final release, they forgot what the point of the damn game was. What does a giant Neighbor in an endless white void have anything to do with just seeing what weird crap your neighbor has in his basement?

  • @WhatTheFnu
    @WhatTheFnu 2 года назад +460

    "You need to cool down this crowbar."
    Normally, time would sort that problem out.

    • @SomeRandomUserrr1r23.
      @SomeRandomUserrr1r23. 2 года назад +2

      Ok

    • @tomaszzalewski4541
      @tomaszzalewski4541 2 года назад +3

      I give it 10 minutes max

    • @DaMightyHuuma
      @DaMightyHuuma 2 года назад

      Gab

    • @Reth_Hard
      @Reth_Hard 2 года назад +4

      When I was young many NES games had this kind of puzzles almost impossible to solve, except you couldn't just look on the internet for the solution so you would just waste hours trying every non-sense you could think of. If you were lucky a friend would know the solution or you would find it in a Nintendo magazine but most of the time you just had to give up...

  • @usm1le
    @usm1le 2 года назад +587

    I remember back when this game just started blowing up. It was mysterious, looking like a colorful childrens game outside but was actually scary on the inside. It had you thinking where to move and what to do. But the devs decided to make it too complex, especially the story.

  • @unicornman147
    @unicornman147 2 года назад +103

    That footage from the very early build of the neighbor chasing the player and trying to break into the room was way scarier than anything the company put out since, and it's just a poor quality model flying around in an untextured mass. It's true primal fear. Developers really dropped the ball by leaning into the childish mascot horror genre instead of expanding the potential this game originally had. A bunch of convoluted lore and nonsensical dream sequence sucks all the scary out.

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад +8

      It kinda reminds me of those NextBot servers on Garry's Mod, in which you're running away from either a static PNG or some t-posing character without animations. Yeah it may looked stupid at first glance, but they somehow managed to be genuinely terrifying.

    • @unicornman147
      @unicornman147 2 года назад

      @@HankJWimbleton-v1m You know, it's funny. I was just talking about those on forum the other day. The one with the player running away from the Selene Delgado png is genuinely terrifying. I found the video at night and had to wait until the next morning to watch it.

  • @northamerica5142
    @northamerica5142 5 месяцев назад +6

    If the devs wanted to make it a kids franchise, they could've stuck to the first act and the plot is literally "oh no I kicked my ball onto the neighbors roof, but he's an ass and won't give it back so I'll grab it" then you sneak around trying to get onto his roof and when he catches you, there's some silly animation where he kicks you out and yells at you like a grumpy old man. That would've made things so much more fun

  • @bdang67
    @bdang67 2 года назад +159

    I really like that you actually play the game and formulate your own opinion. Most just cover the story of how it went downhill, but it's unique to play through the whole thing yourself and create such a thorough, yet brief review of the history of the game.
    Thank you for your hard work, I enjoyed the video!

    • @PlasticCogLiquid
      @PlasticCogLiquid Год назад +2

      His experience was identical to mine as well :D I went through all the same steps and said all the same things. I love the graphics and the neighborhood.

  • @WickedWiz
    @WickedWiz  2 года назад +119

    This gave me multiple nose bleeds. 1000 likes and I'll play Hello Neighbor 2.
    Edit: Looks like I'm playing Hello Neighbour 2. This includes the Beta and full release when it comes out. I'll play the Beta in my next stream so be on the look out for the community posts. (I'm also aware that they disabled a few things in the beta so I'll keep that in mind and keep a fair but honest opinion about it.)

    • @WickedWiz
      @WickedWiz  2 года назад +3

      Cheers my dude, glad you enjoy the vids!

    • @jessegartung294
      @jessegartung294 2 года назад +2

      Do what went wrong with Temtem

    • @WickedWiz
      @WickedWiz  2 года назад +3

      Looks like some bootleg pokemon deviant art sim. I have to check this out! Thank you

    • @jessegartung294
      @jessegartung294 2 года назад +3

      @@WickedWiz your welcome I want to know I have a couple of theories about what happened behind the scenes

    • @GamerDevXD
      @GamerDevXD 2 года назад +1

      underrated youtuber

  • @VossMarionette
    @VossMarionette 2 года назад +533

    The ending should have had the player become the next “neighbor” and build his own ultimate house after that nightmare and years later had the player spy on a new kid on the block to show a perpetual cycle of insanity. Missed opportunity right there.

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад +92

      Perhaps for the second playthrough, they should have reversed the entire formula upside down, where you’re playing as the Neighbor stopping whoever is trying to break into your property.

    • @behindthecookie8653
      @behindthecookie8653 2 года назад +36

      This gave me Little Nightmares vibes.

    • @absolutesonic4266
      @absolutesonic4266 2 года назад +30

      Holy shit that's actually fucking genius

    • @quacker1008
      @quacker1008 2 года назад +14

      That feels so unoriginal

    • @raadalsalehy9223
      @raadalsalehy9223 2 года назад +6

      @@HankJWimbleton-v1m maybe it would unlock a co op mode where one players the neighbor try to stop the other player

  • @lepatpissang5760
    @lepatpissang5760 Год назад +21

    "what went wrong - Yandere Simulator" will be a huge one

    • @TooMuchSascha
      @TooMuchSascha 5 месяцев назад +2

      The game has to come out first though.

    • @lepatpissang5760
      @lepatpissang5760 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@TooMuchSascha good one, lmaoo

  • @dianananahh
    @dianananahh 2 года назад +122

    I see now! The push ability actually gave you a third hand, which sprouts out of your chest! What brilliant storytelling! So subtle.

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m Год назад +10

      Plot twist: The player character is actually a Vortigaunt from the Half-Life series

  • @Jamie-927
    @Jamie-927 2 года назад +174

    The fact one of the RUclipsrs they relied on so heavily to become popular could only beat the last few alphas by getting a step by step guide from the comments sums it up perfectly

    • @Mrmemes-hq1hn
      @Mrmemes-hq1hn 4 месяца назад

      was this dantdm?

    • @Sh12pen
      @Sh12pen 4 месяца назад

      From what I'm remembering about the era, yeah most likely ​@@Mrmemes-hq1hn

    • @Sh12pen
      @Sh12pen 4 месяца назад

      ​@@Mrmemes-hq1hnhaven't had to think about "turkeyboy64" since I was a secondary schooler, lol

  • @stressedpeach7749
    @stressedpeach7749 2 года назад +186

    Whenever i saw this game evolve it'd remind me of a chef who puts too many decorations on a cake, or a model who wears too many accessories. It feels like they believed in "bigger is better" and never cared to see if jt was too much.

    • @HankJWimbleton-v1m
      @HankJWimbleton-v1m 2 года назад +26

      Moral of the story: "You can put as much tasty frosting on a cake as you want, but if the cake is poorly baked, no amount of toppings can fix it."

    • @MaxwellDST
      @MaxwellDST 2 года назад +1

      @@HankJWimbleton-v1m ehhhh if the topping is good it can fix the cake.

    • @NormalHumanLikeYou
      @NormalHumanLikeYou 2 года назад +6

      ​@@MaxwellDST ehhhh no

    • @MaxwellDST
      @MaxwellDST 2 года назад +1

      @@NormalHumanLikeYou ehhhhh depends which topping

    • @thejaded
      @thejaded Год назад

      Very interesting way of thinking 😅

  • @PapyrusTheRoyalGuard1
    @PapyrusTheRoyalGuard1 4 месяца назад +10

    i think it would be cool if they made the neighbour move faster if the player is looking at him. like a 100 - 200% boost to movement but only if hes in the player's vision. woulda been so much scarier :P

  • @allim8335
    @allim8335 2 года назад +189

    in the nicest way possible i thought your community posts of your mental breakdown for this game were hilarious
    edit -- glad you made it through the game

    • @WickedWiz
      @WickedWiz  2 года назад +36

      I'm actually laughing at this comment so hard