I don’t think we’re ever going to see The Blackwater Massacre, it’s an event that was so terrible ,everyone who was there doesn’t want to talk about it It’s a myth, a legend
This was very well done and capitalized on alot of the lore and details we knew about the massacre. John being shot, Callander boys being shot, Dutch killing the girl and Micah egging it on. Only thing missing is how Charles burned his hand
@@fredcheckam and the only thing that is missing to me is what happened to Arthur first horse bodienca did she end up getting shot while they came in town and helped the gang the whole thing is confusing they need to show what happened
This game is already a masterpiece imagine if a durectors cut made blackwater thefirst mission then it goes back to Dutch's origin then rdr2 and then rdr in one game? Sure you can play them separateky but all the stories in one would be hella sick. And hella long. 150 hours of masterpiece
I have a little twisted theory that Dutch was personally after the woman on the boat all along when he thought it would get him revenge he could afford. Maybe she had something to do with his daddy or Annabelle’s relative who might snitch, to Pinkertons or O’Driscolls.
Micah might not care about Annabelle or anybody else but he Enjoys her Sufferage cause he'll be the one to Lead the Pinkertons to the Gang. Mac & Davey had a Big shootout themselves couples Dutches Men & Women gets Killed the Callander bros gets Butchered themselves Mac saves Davey then prays that Dutch doesn't go Crazy after all this while Milton presses him he doesn't get anywhere but don't kill em then Buries him after he dies slowly while London Rickett looks on from a Distance seeing the Downfall of the Van Der Linde Gang Dutch & mr.Ricketts saved John when he was Young but fight against the Gang at Blackwater probably see John get Shot as he Resiliently fight off the Pinkertons going to the Area he got Mauled by Wolf's see what he's become
That actually would've been a good idea, maybe even a day or two before the ferry, so we could of seen a bit of the real estate scam Arthur and Hosea were cooking up. And maybe we might of gotten some dialogue do the Callander boys. That would've been cool
I understand this sentiment, however, I heard it described that part of what makes the Blackwater disaster such a big deal is that the player (and many of the gang members) don’t actually know what happened. It gives the recurring question of, “what happened on that boat”, in chapter 1 so much depth and weight. It makes you want to see what happened because of the mystery behind it. Why did the job go sideways? Why did Dutch go nuts and break his own “code”? We want to play the Blackwater Massacre so much because the mystery behind it was done so well. Oftentimes, when telling a story, the things left unexplained give more value to the story than what is explained.
I feel like they should have put the Blackwater Massacre at least in the start so we could play it. Just like Trevor, Michael and Brad did the bank robbery in Prologue
If only there was a DLC which sets you a couple years behind red dead 2 with the last mission being the massacre, playing as Charles first meeting the gang and what he was doing before
I don’t get why rockstar can’t figure this out seriously you don’t have to make another red dead redemption simply just make a dlc of missions leading up to the blackwater robbery and then the robbery/ massacre itself like wtf rockstar
They’ll never make a story dlc again. They’re too greedy to give up on gta online so red dead 2 is basically dead now. I doubt they’ll ever elaborate on the massacre either since it’s meant to be ambiguous
My question is why was blackwater robbery the most impactful one, they also had a massacre when robbing valentine and there’s another one when Arthur breaks out Micah from prison
Because black water was the most deadly one and no valentine don’t count cause you can either sneak your way out or shoot your way out and if your talking about sheep and goats mission that was not a massacre yes the town had to be rebuilt most the time but it was not a massacre Micah’s strawberry breakout was a massacre for sure but not a robbery black water was a robbery and a massacre as 40 or 50 was killed
It’s the amount of money stolen in addition to all the lawmen and innocents killed. The amount of money that the Gang tried to steal and was lost was somewhere in the millions in today’s value, whereas with Valentine, it was just a massacre.
Nice concept, with alot of detail taken from the game, except for 1 reeeeeaaallly big, obvious problem. The massacre took place ON A FERRY, not in the streets of blackwater.
Im replaying this game because when it released i never got past chapter 2 but now that i know what happens, i always antagonize dutch, micah, bill & javier and stopped donating to camp
Dutch debería ser el siguiente protagonista de RD3 y jugar la masacre de black water con dutch y donde está landon riquets y por qué estuvo involucrado excelente cortó
Seria aburrido jugar como Dutch, no tiene sentido. No hay redención que es el titulo de juego, no hay más historia que contar, es más entretenido prescenciar una decadencia que una historia sin conflictos. Hay que aceptarlo la historia de la Banda de Van Der Linde está terminada. Lo único que se podría hacer es continuar la historia de Jack pero tampoco tiene sentido
Hey guys, I'm going to do a video on the details of the Blackwater massacre and reasoning and acting out the Blackwater massacre. I wanted to ask my friends to shoot pictures of the Blackwater massacre online, but I don't have enough staff, so I wonder if I could use a few minutes of your video. I will put your link under the video.Look forward to your reply
When you play as John, 8 years have passed since the blackwater massacre, so I’d assume that his face has been forgotten by then. Plus, he goes by Jim Milton, which adds ambiguity to the mystery of his true identity.
@@BeatdownkioskmanIn chapter 1 Arthur and Hosea was the leaders of the heist if you go back in chapter 1 ducth says how they missed Arthur during the heist cause they said Arthur was the main one held the shootout down
Arthur has a huge bounty on his head and is well known by the pinkertons, whereas John is an unknown gun who doesn’t get on anyone’s radar until they find him in RDR1
You can’t get Mac or jenny in the game only Davey and Sean but I’m almost certain he read the journal to make this and I don’t think it says that Sean actually did so he might of left him out because of that
Before Mac & Davey got Wounded they prob told Arthur go with your Lady Linton if anything goes Horribly wrong thag dying aint worth it after many of there Comrades died but just like John did he did go back them Callander boyz still fought like Lunatics, but Cared dearly for Arthur but yet by Chapter 6 at a Desperate Attempt to save the Gang he would've lived a bit Longer after Leaving couldn't Rest a little somewhere then died Natural Sickness while John Escapes then Kills Micah on the Bridge then Burns him Alive but then Dutch will go after John
Very well put together mini movie!!! The fact that a guy with 177 subs can put together a decent prologue type movie and Rockstar (the biggest gaming studio in the world) Cannot, or more over will not, speaks volumes.. Good job sir! 🫡
@@silentkilla3587no he wasn't the only people that was involved in the incident was Arthur and Hosea ,dutch , bill Javier,Mac , Davey, Jenny Jean Arthur bill and Mac and was involved in the blackwater masscurare not ferry Mac was with them the gang got split up
Sun of a bitch so similar to anakin killing doku I hate Micah even more I don't blame duch it wasn't his fault as Micah already got in his head and was manipulative to duch I feel sorry for him so great to see though the truth about what happened in black water
Yes he was there, The only reason he stayed in the gang was the money of blackwater (micah was not part of the gang he was more like partner , Micah had his own gang) and the blackwater robbery was his idea
@@thewolfyt141xd he didn’t participate in the robbery, but he most certainly was there for SOME of the shooting. He was a big reason why most of them got out alive. I think maybe you haven’t played chapter 1 enough. Specifically the John Marston rescue mission😉
@@mitchellriner3522 Friend, don't talk if you don't know, of course I played the game (I'm about to finish it for the second time) but clearly even the newspaper says that I didn't participate in the robbery, what I think was that Hosea and Arthur realized that the robbery went off Badly they went to help but I don't think they got directly into the shooting because Javier said "if it weren't for you" what I feel was that they only helped in the escape and that's where Jimmy Brocks probably saw it.
Meanwhile elsewhere, Arthur and Hosea is trying to pull off a real estate scam.
Arthur was at the massacre but he wasn’t on the ferry
@@Tunova Arthur and Hosea were busy planning their real estate scam for the day after the ferry job until it went bad
@@Tunova Arthur wasnt in massacre he was scamming someone with hosea. Its in his diary too
@@Giupeppe098 😐😑
@@XxKillerJayxX ehm what,you ok man?
Imagine the game started like this
Then the Hell ride up north and chapter 1 starts
It would have been great.
I think that rdr3 is gonna start a few months before the black water massacre and end with the ride north but that’s just my guess
@@nayuta577 nah rdr3 will be the entire orgin of the dutch gang
@@nayuta577the only fault is that they will have to do a free roam
@@Cheez_Doodlezz yeah, it could start like this
Nice attention to detail: John specifically stated that Micah encouraged Dutch to kill Heidi McCourt
I’ll have faith in part 2 of this movie
Still waiting.😂😂😂
@@misterm3596 Aaah! All doubting. Have some faith! Some god damn faith, son!
I don’t think we’re ever going to see The Blackwater Massacre, it’s an event that was so terrible ,everyone who was there doesn’t want to talk about it
It’s a myth, a legend
This was very well done and capitalized on alot of the lore and details we knew about the massacre. John being shot, Callander boys being shot, Dutch killing the girl and Micah egging it on. Only thing missing is how Charles burned his hand
@@fredcheckam and the only thing that is missing to me is what happened to Arthur first horse bodienca did she end up getting shot while they came in town and helped the gang the whole thing is confusing they need to show what happened
We really need this story to unfold. Dutch always have a place to connect in Blackwater, her mother was also buried in there.
Agent Milton's mother died in the incident also, often overlooked fact
@@LedZeddwhat ? Was it stated in the game ?
@Kira-xk2rf In either a letter or newspaper but it's actually cut content turns out. Still cool tho IMO
rdr3
@@LedZeddit was actually Fordham’s mother who died in the massacre
Arthur and Hosea: We had a god damn plan!
i love that the choke charles did was a bit more accurate
This game is already a masterpiece imagine if a durectors cut made blackwater thefirst mission then it goes back to Dutch's origin then rdr2 and then rdr in one game? Sure you can play them separateky but all the stories in one would be hella sick. And hella long. 150 hours of masterpiece
I want a director's cut
“They knew we were coming. Just like your ferry job at Blackwater.” - Arthur Morgan
I’d give anything for a real Red Dead live action series that covered this. Great video brother! Awesome attention to detail.
I have a little twisted theory that Dutch was personally after the woman on the boat all along when he thought it would get him revenge he could afford. Maybe she had something to do with his daddy or Annabelle’s relative who might snitch, to Pinkertons or O’Driscolls.
You sir are a genius
but why would micah care to encourage him?
@@turkeeytcos he's a murderous physcopath and sucked up to Dutch.
Micah might not care about Annabelle or anybody else but he Enjoys her Sufferage cause he'll be the one to Lead the Pinkertons to the Gang. Mac & Davey had a Big shootout themselves couples Dutches Men & Women gets Killed the Callander bros gets Butchered themselves Mac saves Davey then prays that Dutch doesn't go Crazy after all this while Milton presses him he doesn't get anywhere but don't kill em then Buries him after he dies slowly while London Rickett looks on from a Distance seeing the Downfall of the Van Der Linde Gang
Dutch & mr.Ricketts saved John when he was Young but fight against the Gang at Blackwater probably see John get Shot as he Resiliently fight off the Pinkertons going to the Area he got Mauled by Wolf's see what he's become
@@turkeeyt because he's like that
This i how rdr2 should have started. When the gang started robbing and being wanted at black water. I wish it started like that😮
That actually would've been a good idea, maybe even a day or two before the ferry, so we could of seen a bit of the real estate scam Arthur and Hosea were cooking up. And maybe we might of gotten some dialogue do the Callander boys. That would've been cool
could be a cool DLC idea I guess
It takes away from the mystery of it all and then we wouldn’t be able to say “What really happened on that boat?”
I understand this sentiment, however, I heard it described that part of what makes the Blackwater disaster such a big deal is that the player (and many of the gang members) don’t actually know what happened. It gives the recurring question of, “what happened on that boat”, in chapter 1 so much depth and weight. It makes you want to see what happened because of the mystery behind it. Why did the job go sideways? Why did Dutch go nuts and break his own “code”? We want to play the Blackwater Massacre so much because the mystery behind it was done so well. Oftentimes, when telling a story, the things left unexplained give more value to the story than what is explained.
The only time I've seen one of these where they actually HAVE a ferry present
I think Rockstar should have done this as a DLC. And the blackwater robbery could have been as epic as Heat or The Wild Bunch combined.
It would completely disregard what the 2nd and 1st red dead was about, if they wanted us to know what happened on the boat they would’ve just told us
amazing work dude! This needs more views.
little did you know…
I feel like they should have put the Blackwater Massacre at least in the start so we could play it. Just like Trevor, Michael and Brad did the bank robbery in Prologue
The legend of Heidi McCourt
If only there was a DLC which sets you a couple years behind red dead 2 with the last mission being the massacre, playing as Charles first meeting the gang and what he was doing before
this is a great idea
Good work all around on this really accurate to the lore and it was nicely done.
This. This is greater then Dutch’s plan..
Well done this is good work
I don’t get why rockstar can’t figure this out seriously you don’t have to make another red dead redemption simply just make a dlc of missions leading up to the blackwater robbery and then the robbery/ massacre itself like wtf rockstar
They’ll never make a story dlc again. They’re too greedy to give up on gta online so red dead 2 is basically dead now. I doubt they’ll ever elaborate on the massacre either since it’s meant to be ambiguous
its because yall dont realize the blackwater massacre is meant to be a mystery, if it werent a mystery it wouldve already been elaborated on
@@astraphys1csthat’s exactly what I’m saying
Damn, this is some quality content!
Cant wait for part 2 thank u for the movie 💪🏻
I was juste waiting for the scene of killing Heidi McCourt ..
God job.
This is amazing!!!!!---
My question is why was blackwater robbery the most impactful one, they also had a massacre when robbing valentine and there’s another one when Arthur breaks out Micah from prison
Because black water was the most deadly one and no valentine don’t count cause you can either sneak your way out or shoot your way out and if your talking about sheep and goats mission that was not a massacre yes the town had to be rebuilt most the time but it was not a massacre Micah’s strawberry breakout was a massacre for sure but not a robbery black water was a robbery and a massacre as 40 or 50 was killed
It’s the amount of money stolen in addition to all the lawmen and innocents killed. The amount of money that the Gang tried to steal and was lost was somewhere in the millions in today’s value, whereas with Valentine, it was just a massacre.
@@NuggetchungusSaint denis was a massacre
Magnificent.
13:56 was that guy just using that carbine like it was a lancaster repeater? what the hell
You can see him cock it with his thumb
No?
Good job on this
Nice concept, with alot of detail taken from the game, except for 1 reeeeeaaallly big, obvious problem. The massacre took place ON A FERRY, not in the streets of blackwater.
it was both, they had to shoot their way off the ferry AND out of town
This video is so well done 😊 it could almost be an official introduction movie by Rockstar like the one they did with GTA San Andreas.
@14:58, How many rounds are in Micah’s six shooters?
Other than that, pretty dang cool! Thanks for posting.
Looking forward to part 2.
Im replaying this game because when it released i never got past chapter 2 but now that i know what happens, i always antagonize dutch, micah, bill & javier and stopped donating to camp
Not bad good stuff man 👍
Blackwater should’ve been a series of prologue missions for RDR2
where is Arthur and Hosea?
They weren’t involved in this.
It’s been 2 years, where is part 2…
Who was the dude that died at 9:00
im gonna assume thats mac callander
He didn't die, the cops pick him up and kill him later
can you make what if undead nightmare occurred in RDR 2 or maybe in the epilogue we get Arthur as a Zombie
Yes. Give us this mysterious monster.
Perfect!!
They really need to make blackwater massacre game
How did you make Dutch and Micah etc in their normal attire instead of the winter uniform rampage gives?
In rampage if u spawa someone you have an option called warderobe and u can change their outfits
@@Kraczorek ah I see although I knew a day after this but I forgot to update but thank you still I have forgot now as I left rdr2
That’s so good made!!
THAT WAS BRILLIANT I REALLY ENJOYED IT PART WILL BE GOOD SUBBED TO YA CHANNEL BUDDY
Pretty sure the shootout started on the ferry😄
Where’s the challander boyz ? Davey & Mac ?
Mac was the one getting sniped when he was guarding
@@Kraczorek wait what ? I never seen him
@@ricoyoungflip24 8:51 thats him dying. i didnt see davet tho
@@Kraczorekfinally saw it thanks 🙏🏻
@@Kraczorekbut I’m not gonna lie it’s more better if Mac survived the Black water massacre.. Him and his brother Davey
How do you make these?
Dutch debería ser el siguiente protagonista de RD3 y jugar la masacre de black water con dutch y donde está landon riquets y por qué estuvo involucrado excelente cortó
Seria aburrido jugar como Dutch, no tiene sentido. No hay redención que es el titulo de juego, no hay más historia que contar, es más entretenido prescenciar una decadencia que una historia sin conflictos.
Hay que aceptarlo la historia de la Banda de Van Der Linde está terminada.
Lo único que se podría hacer es continuar la historia de Jack pero tampoco tiene sentido
@@alejo7365se podría expandir a través de DLCs para explicar algunos eventos que no se mostraron en pantalla
yo creo que fue como en rdr1 dutch agarro a la señora como lo hizo con el policia de la prision que salvamos a jonh
I wish the game started like this before Colter happens
Like imagine this being the tutorial
Can I ask a question.
You did a great job , but I will point out something : John did not have those scars at that time.
well he can’t use a John model without the scars unless he uses Arthur marston
i think the creator did a pretty good job hiding the side of johns face with the scaring
i just want to be able to play this heist.
We need more... 🗿🔥🔥
just amazing
Hey guys, I'm going to do a video on the details of the Blackwater massacre and reasoning and acting out the Blackwater massacre. I wanted to ask my friends to shoot pictures of the Blackwater massacre online, but I don't have enough staff, so I wonder if I could use a few minutes of your video. I will put your link under the video.Look forward to your reply
I don’t know how Arthur isn’t aloud in black water but John is
When you play as John, 8 years have passed since the blackwater massacre, so I’d assume that his face has been forgotten by then. Plus, he goes by Jim Milton, which adds ambiguity to the mystery of his true identity.
@@ToasterPogbut Arthur wasn't there
@@KingsD3adhe was associated with the gang so they knew him by then, even though he wasn’t actually participating in the heist
@@BeatdownkioskmanIn chapter 1 Arthur and Hosea was the leaders of the heist if you go back in chapter 1 ducth says how they missed Arthur during the heist cause they said Arthur was the main one held the shootout down
Arthur has a huge bounty on his head and is well known by the pinkertons, whereas John is an unknown gun who doesn’t get on anyone’s radar until they find him in RDR1
WHY IS THERE A RDR COMMENT SECTION EXPLAIN SOMEONE
Loved when it showed Mac davey Jenny Sean
You can’t get Mac or jenny in the game only Davey and Sean but I’m almost certain he read the journal to make this and I don’t think it says that Sean actually did so he might of left him out because of that
@@AdmiralNeIson could have created Jenny from the journal tho
This just took too long to setup 😢
13:48
Dutch killed a girl. In a bad way
WE NEED MONEH
Before Mac & Davey got Wounded they prob told Arthur go with your Lady Linton if anything goes Horribly wrong thag dying aint worth it after many of there Comrades died but just like John did he did go back
them Callander boyz still fought like Lunatics, but Cared dearly for Arthur but yet by Chapter 6 at a Desperate Attempt to save the Gang he would've lived a bit Longer after Leaving couldn't Rest a little somewhere then died Natural Sickness while John Escapes then Kills Micah on the Bridge then Burns him Alive but then Dutch will go after John
Wish we had dlc of the event
Very well put together mini movie!!!
The fact that a guy with 177 subs can put together a decent prologue type movie and Rockstar (the biggest gaming studio in the world)
Cannot, or more over will not, speaks volumes..
Good job sir! 🫡
Pleassse part 2
Where is Arthur
In his Diary he Arthur wrote that he was doing something else with Hosea at the time
Real estate scam with Hosea
@@JeroldBoy0407no he was there
@@JeroldBoy0407Arthur was shooting from the boat that was the masscurare the fery wasn't
Landon RIcketts was involved in this incident
I always wonder what he was doing during the event
My headcanon is that he had no direct involvement with the incident he just happened to pass by blackwater at the same time
@@silentkilla3587no he wasn't the only people that was involved in the incident was Arthur and Hosea ,dutch , bill Javier,Mac , Davey, Jenny Jean
Arthur bill and Mac and was involved in the blackwater masscurare not ferry Mac was with them the gang got split up
@@Drexzzz4Why were you there????
He is mentioned as being involved. So he was most likely there.
@@silentkilla3587probably drinking in the saloon and overheard a shootout idk
I love the movie😀
They should’ve had a prologue.
y dijieron que su cerebro quero impregnado a la pared y que jonh lo vio
Interesting
Painful
where is arthur
He wasn't with the gang, he was going to do another hit with Hosea.
Sun of a bitch so similar to anakin killing doku I hate Micah even more I don't blame duch it wasn't his fault as Micah already got in his head and was manipulative to duch I feel sorry for him so great to see though the truth about what happened in black water
I'm your 69th subscriber
Micah Blackwater????????
Yes he was there, The only reason he stayed in the gang was the money of blackwater (micah was not part of the gang he was more like partner , Micah had his own gang) and the blackwater robbery was his idea
Make more please the video
I would have fire at Dutch
Fake cus John was not aport of what happened in blackwater
😊
yes he was bruh
Everyone that’s played this game several times knows that Arthur and all the other boys were apart of the shootout
Arthur never participated in the Blackwater shooting because he was with Hosea doing the real estate scam.
@@thewolfyt141xd he didn’t participate in the robbery, but he most certainly was there for SOME of the shooting. He was a big reason why most of them got out alive. I think maybe you haven’t played chapter 1 enough. Specifically the John Marston rescue mission😉
@@mitchellriner3522 Friend, don't talk if you don't know, of course I played the game (I'm about to finish it for the second time) but clearly even the newspaper says that I didn't participate in the robbery, what I think was that Hosea and Arthur realized that the robbery went off Badly they went to help but I don't think they got directly into the shooting because Javier said "if it weren't for you" what I feel was that they only helped in the escape and that's where Jimmy Brocks probably saw it.
A waste of Time
I need a rdr3 with charles moves in Canada but with backstory of what happened when Dutch rescue him and blackwater massacre