Numbers wise he should be in the hall of fame. Pete is his own enemy with what happened to him. Saling his autograph outside of Cooper's town and MLB offices reasons yes not in
I think Stephen A is incorrect. Not only aren 't ANY of the players from the Black Sox scandal that were involved, eight of them, in the Hall of Fame, but some of the players that didn't even take money, but just knew about it and didnt alert the club, were also thrown out of baseball. Joe Jackson, who did take money, but if you look at his stats, he certainly didn't seem to throw the world series, also was thrown out. I really think that the only thing that has kept Pete Rose out of the HOF is his own arrogance.
Yes Most stadiums now have sport books It unbelievable the hypocrisy I think Pete Rose will eventually get in but it will be posthumously unfortunately & THAT is shameful
@@hawgslayers29 Joe Jackson was paid $5000 to throw that series. His performance was very good, but this is a guy who hit over .400 more than once. Whether he did his best or not is irrelevant; he took money from gamblers to lose on purpose.
The rule is clear and every ballplayer knows it. If you bet on baseball, you are banned for life! No exceptions. No second chances. What is there about that don't people understand?
People don’t understand that your actions have consequences. Pete Rose is being punished cause he opened Pandora’s box. MLB made an example out of him. Don’t let him in until he passes away.
Sometimes I wonder had the black sox scandal never happened would the league have been as strict? They fined the guy a measly $50,000 ...Here's an idea...Fine him $100,000 and let him in the hall!
by way there isnt a single 1919 black sox player who was banned in the HOFother who werent banned by Landis are in the Hall, and yes Shoeless Joe Jackson and Pete Rose both belong in the HOF
I don't know. He lied about betting for 15 years, finally "comes clean" but said he never bet against his own team. Who knows?And his bats were corked. That's like PED's for singles hitters.
You can’t gamble on a game where your a coach or a manager… It completely ruins the game. Whether he only bet on his own team to win as he alleges we can never really believe that or know if that’s true… plus it makes more sense to bet against your team… Throwing a game is much easier than winning a game. I hope Pete Rose has a good life and he was a great great player but he should not be in the hall of fame
His biggest mistake is when he came back to the Reds as a player manager. The moment he bet in a position of power, he also did it as a player because his contract stated his role be 2 positions, an active player & manager. If Rose had just retired as an active player, he doesnt break Ty Cobb's record, but he'd definitely be forgiven for his betting days as manager. But his case today was laid to rest when Lou Piniella took over for him the season after his ban & went wire to wire & won a WS championship in 1990. That was a total indictment on Pete Rose: what did he do wrong with that team that Lou got so right? Keep out!
Stephen Smith I agree with you 100% I never heard no one put it any better your let steroid users drug addicts back in the game and they forgive everyone but they won't forgive mr. Rose one of the greatest baseball players ever to play the game and I hope one day he does get inducted
Many years the HOF considers players who have been on ballots for years and they get in based on sympathy. Stop handing out sympathy awards and put in the greatest hitter ever.
Green Bay Packer legend Paul Hornig was caught betting on football..not only was he allowed to keep playing, he was a first ballot HOF inductee..didn't seem to ruin his team, the league, the game or the museum in Canton..
Baseball is the most pearl-clutching sport in American history. They took a decade longer than other major sports institute replay review. Teams like the Yankees still have a facial hair policy.. A FACIAL HAIR POLICY! MLB wants to act like it’s still directly after the 1919 “black sox” got caught throwing the series and they have to show that they won’t stand up for it. It’s been 104 years. Pete Rose has 4200+ hits! He could have murdered people after his playing career and he would still deserve a spot in Cooperstown. Also.. skip can go fuck himself. Dude has some of the worst takes of any sportscaster in this country.
Embarrassing. Rose is a scumbag, he accepted his punishment to avoid further investigation. Think about that, he took the ‘plea’ because he knew there was worse to come, he’s a coward and a corrupt cheat.
As a player , what he did as a player. He made Money for baseball in working 25 years 61-86..minor league to the major league. . Getting his team to championships. The guy on the right is a hypocrite in that betting has , is tolerated . There is professional betting . People involved in sports and broadcasting are making money than and today and tomorrow.
I agree with Smith. The simple fact is that Rose did not do anything to affect the results of a single game in an unethical manner. Everyone who used performance-enhancing drugs did exactly that. Rose did not cheat, the others all did. That the others should be forgiven and he should not be is a moral travesty. This is not Black Sox because Rose never bet against his own team. The argument was made that Rose should be penalized because he affected how bookies calculated odds? I’m sorry, but it was not Rose’s responsibility to uphold the ethics of oddsmakers, and that that should outweigh upholding the ethics of the game itself is beyond asinine.
These people always want to change the damn rules to suit them and set a horrible precedence. Everyone who gambles will point to Pete and say but Pete gots away wif it's.
I am 55 years old, a Baseball (Mets) Fan since 1969, Rose was the Best Hitter I ever saw, but, a SOB of the field, he should be in the Baseball Hall of Fame as a Player. Scott :-)
Many say Michael Jordan was allegedly betting on basketball in the 90's. During his first retirement press conference he stated, "Five years down the road, if the urge comes back, if the Bulls will have me, if David Stern lets me back in the league, I may come back." Why would he say if David Stern will have him back? It sounds like he was forced out, and to save face he retired quietly. He was under investigation for gambling prior to his retirement. In fact, the day he retired the investigation stopped. Some give that as a reason he left basketball the first time. If Michael Jordan had bet on basketball like Pete Rose bet on baseball, than there is no reason Pete Rose is not in the hall of fame today...
It is a well known fact that he was told to retire to avoid a scandal. Not sure I can blame Stern if he told him lay low for two years to let the gambling not get out in the open.
Pete rose should be in the hall of fame because of his numbers on the field baseball not letting Pete rose in the hall of fame is as stupid as the NCAA takeing away joe paternoster wins at penn state while he’s still alive then they give paterno all his wins back to him after he died that makes makes no sense to me at all
With respect to the greats of the game, the Hall of Fame doesn't matter anymore. Rose shouldn't have gambled while still in the league obviously, but he didn't throw ballgames , and that makes a difference.
Skip your wrong on the one. Pete should be in the Hall of Fame. It;s been 30 years now and he has paid the price for his sins. Let it go and Put Charley Hustle in the Hall.
I've seen a lot of players in baseball and football that should have banned them from their sport! Roberto Alomar, spitting in an umpires face, Steve Howe, had countless number of problems with street drugs. Players going into stands to fight fans. Mets player throwing firecrackers at Dodger fans and seriously injuring them. A football player punches and knocks out his girlfriend in an elevator. Another football player runs a dog fighting business. Those are just some of the ones I can think of off the top of my head. All of these athletes never got banned from their sport! They had mentioned about criminals getting their freedom back with less time for punishment! The message I got from the Pete Rose, ban is you can commit any crime but never gamble!!! Tommy Lasorda's message can be tossed in the trash! I grew up in the beach cities of L.A. and was a Dodger fan until I saw a new Dodger that just signed a 325 million dollar contract and took a knee to our nations colors! I haven't seen a game since and didn't even know the Dodgers won the 2020 World Series until days later! I remember when he pulled other starting pitchers out of a game after giving up only a couple of runs and when Fernando Valenzuela pitched, Lasorda kept him in the game until he gave up 8 or more runs and very little chance for the team to come back. I would say that politics is very much a part of sports and I think, Pete Rose, pissed off the wrong politician! If we had a national vote to get Pete Rose, into the HOF, I think it would be surprising to the idiots who wants to keep him out! Pete Rose, earned a spot in the Hall! I'll not watch another game until he's inducted! I haven't eaten any ice cream since 2008. So, that will be a piece of cake!!! Feb. 2022
they are compleatly glossing over the fact the rule that banished Pete Rose rule 21 states that the player should be life time ban only if he ban on a game the player on the team which there is no proof that he placed a bet on or against his own team and there will never be proof cause it doesnt exist he didnt bet on his own team he stated it in his own book and yes there is a credibility problem with rose but its ridicules that pete rose is ban for something that they are just guessing on
Theres no denying how he earned his nickname, dude was one of the most competitive athletes ever. He couldn't cheat his way to 4256 hits, dude is legit. Put him in the damn HOF!
Sai B exactly. Put him in as a player not a manager. He is one of the most talented players ever he deserves in. He made bets as a manager not a player. How come PED users get in? Using PED is cheating, Rose didn't cheat for his stats. And I know this is another sport but OJ is in the NFL Hall of Fame. We all pretty much know he murdered 2 people. But he stays??
If you watched him over his entire career, especially toward the end, alot of that "Charlie Hustle was for show. I've seem him head diving into 2nd or 3rd base alot even when the throw wasn't going to those bases. Crowd loved it though.
@@haydencloud3619 OJ was acquitted so that means he was innocent. Plus he was voted in the HOF before the so called murders. And betting as a manager is worse than betting as a player. As a manager you can control the outcome of the game since you're the one making decisions. As a player you just control you.
@@hennylo68 “OJ was acquitted so that means he was innocent” Lmfao no.. it doesn’t. It means he was not found guilty of the charges against him.. The prosecution shot for the moon with first degree murder charges, which require proof of premeditation. Clark and Darden mounted one of the most horrific prosecutions of all time. Just because he was found not guilty of the charges against him does not mean he did not kill those people… anyone with half a brain knows he killed them.. and the only reason he was found not guilty was because Marcia Clark and Chris Darden went for gold with the charges. They also were absolutely dreadful at jury selection and Marcia Clark might be the most disillusioned prosecution lawyer I have ever seen in my life with how she expected African American jury members to come to a guilty verdict directly following the Rodney king incident. She might be the worst person at reading a room in the history of people.. and my god.. the absolute idiocy of Darden suggesting OJ try the glove on.. Anyone.. ANYONE with half a brain cell in OJ’s seat would make damn sure it looked like the glove didn’t fit. The only reason he was acquitted was because the prosecution was possibly the worst in US history.
@@haydencloud3619He was a player manager, but he was never going to make it a manager. I think the lifetime ban should mean until they due and after they become eligible to be reinstated. Joe Jackson and tigers should be eligible 100 years later, they can decide not to put them in based on their playing careers before the 1919 WS.
I agree with sas here, if their gonna give others a pass they should give Pete one for a lot of reasons. If they came down hard on everyone then I would be ok with Pete staying away but that isn’t the case
Bullshit, his hits stand. He should go in the hall. If they're going to let Ty Cobb in the HOF, Pete Rose is an angel compared to that. Fact Check: None of the 8 players inplicated in the black sox scandal are in the HOF.
As I watch MLB Network and see the sports betting odds scrolling across the bottom of the screen, see and hear the MLB broadcast personalities promoting fantasy sports betting on air, and see sports gambling companies as major sponsors of MLB; it's time to reinstate Pete Rose and "Shoeless" Joe Jackson and induct them into the Hall of Fame. If MLB is going to actively and blatantly encourage people to bet money on MLB games by promoting sports gambling in an invasive manner, what Pete and Joe did doesn't matter anymore.
Stephen A. makes a great argument balancing the facts with fairness and historical context...and then Skip goes and argues points that Stephen A. didn't even dispute - trying to represent those facts as his rebuttal. Stephen A. wins running away.
The man on the right is small minded. Reminds me of family members who never forgive.. . But are blind when others commit the same act , but have no influence, so have no opinion. But on Rose they do. He has a platform
If Baseball did not have a big problem with Pete Rose betting on Baseball neither would Skip have a Problem with Pete Rose...Skips entire Argument is based on how Baseball feels...If Baseball felt Pete was a MURDERER than Skip would too...Skip YOU are the one missing the Big Picture not Stephen A
Long as u bet on you your team own I don't think know it's a problem, if u bet on the opposition, that's wen there is a problem because that means you are throwing the game, if you bet on yourself it just shows how confident u are in yourself, shunt be a problem
And Keith Hernandez battle in the games while he was a player there's a lot of players that are still betting on games so don't give me that crap he deserves to be in it and that's it he paid his price
Peter Luk I forgot that Pete threw an entire World Series for money, it’s been proven he bet on his team to win. But we’ll let all the dudes who used PED’s to allowed to be voted into the game
You knew what Skip was going to say before he opened his mouth, and you knew he was dead wrong. Rose bet on baseball. Bonds, Mcgwire, Clemens. All used PEDs to get the numbers they have. Bonds and Clemens just got 65% of the HOF vote on the last ballot. Rose never cheated. He bet on his team to win. The "others" probably wouldnt be half as good without the drugs. Yet they have a chance at the hall. Wtf is wrong with baseball? I could understand if he bet on his team to loose and threw the game. But not if he bet on them to win and then worked his ass off to do so. 4200 hits says "I always work harder than you do, I want to win!!"
Pete rose should be in the hall of fame as a Yankees fan I don’t agree with him not getting in the hall of fame I know he messed up he didn’t take steroids like bonds did
"Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason why it was put up" - Kenesaw Mountain Landis...OK, it was GK Chesterton, but, if you understand the existential crisis that resulted in baseball gamblers being banned from the sport, you'll understand why Pete Rose can't be in the HOF.
zipadeed00dah There is a difference. Those banned by Landis and those previous were banned for throwing the games, therefore undermining the public trust in the games’ outcomes. None of Pete’s bets affected the outcome of games or were to throw games. Maybe you need a better understanding of that historical crisis?
Skip he bet on games, but he never bet against his team. He bet on his team to win and cover the points. Still not right, but he never shaved points. It has been 30+ years . Give the man his due. He is 80 years old. Give him his one last day in the sun. HOF
WELL SKIP....HUNDREDS OF OTHER PLAYERS CROSSED LINES THAT SHOULD NEVER BE CROSSED AND SSSSSSSSTILLLLLLL PLAYED AND/OR ARE PLAYING!!! GET PETE ROSE WHERE HE BELONGS...THE HALL OF FAME!!!
Pete rose did everything with his natural skill unlike the large percentage of athletes doing PEDs, and he can't get credit for what he achieved with raw talent. We forgive the ones who put their bodies in harm to hit the ball farther and throw faster...
Volkz337 Amen, brother! How the steroid criminals aren’t stoned when they are within a hundred yards of a baseball park is beyond me. They’ve tainted the statistical fabric of the game.
Joe Jackson was a great player in. his day and would have been in the Hall of Fame had he not been convicted for gambling. Rose did the same thing and that's the way it goes. Can't allowed him in..
@@HoboJoe1416 as bad as this sounds.. the home run battle between McGuire and Sosa followed by Bonds setting the all time record is what revived baseball. I wish It wouldn’t have taken PED’s to get there, but it’s true nonetheless. Baseball was dying, and the sudden spark of home run records kept it alive.
Pete Rose could have murdered a few people after he retired and still been a first ballot unanimous hall of fame’r. Baseball hierarchy is almost nothing but pearl-clutching purists who won’t be alive to see the 2040 season.
If you don't believe other athletes have not gambled on their sport, you're being willfully naive. The arguments against Rose are bogus and outdated. It's like holding Prohibition-era charges against breweries.
Now with all the betting fango and all the commercial betting - appalling
Pete Rose should have his own FLOOR in the Hall of Fame!
heck yeah-4th floor #4256!
Hell, he can have his own building. Right next to the HOF, just not in it.
Exactly, well said
bakershan3825 You ‘re too young to even watch him
SuperPat88 you got it ! Great idea my favorite my old mans favorite
Numbers wise he should be in the hall of fame. Pete is his own enemy with what happened to him. Saling his autograph outside of Cooper's town and MLB offices reasons yes not in
NO Fn way!!! He violated the first commandment of Baseball. Never Forgive never Forget.
Shut up and look at the stats dickhead
I think Stephen A is incorrect. Not only aren 't ANY of the players from the Black Sox scandal that were involved, eight of them, in the Hall of Fame, but some of the players that didn't even take money, but just knew about it and didnt alert the club, were also thrown out of baseball. Joe Jackson, who did take money, but if you look at his stats, he certainly didn't seem to throw the world series, also was thrown out. I really think that the only thing that has kept Pete Rose out of the HOF is his own arrogance.
Why does shortani making $700M who got caught betting and Pete Rose is banned - shameful
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John Deming lol but the Astros can cheat and get away with it !! Wow smh
Yes Most stadiums now have sport books It unbelievable the hypocrisy I think Pete Rose will eventually get in but it will be posthumously unfortunately & THAT is shameful
Completely agree with Stephen.
Pete Rose should be in the hall of fame period.. Big Papi tested positive and he's in the hall of fame
True baseball fans hold Pete Rose in high regard despite the gambling
No we don’t.
Pete Rose is 81 years old, MLB should be in the hall of fame!
The Baseball Hall of Fame will never be legitimate as long as Pete Rose and Joe Jackson are not in it.
Joe Jackson took money from gamblers to purposely lose. Pete Rose bet on his own team to win. These are not the same situation.
@@MrSprigg joe Jackson hit over .300 that series
@@hawgslayers29 So what? He was talented enough to do that even when he was deliberately not playing at his best. That makes what he did even worse.
@@MrSprigg you serious right now ? Nobody trying to throw a game is gonna hit .375 in a series . I promise you that
@@hawgslayers29 Joe Jackson was paid $5000 to throw that series. His performance was very good, but this is a guy who hit over .400 more than once. Whether he did his best or not is irrelevant; he took money from gamblers to lose on purpose.
The rule is clear and every ballplayer knows it. If you bet on baseball, you are banned for life! No exceptions. No second chances. What is there about that don't people understand?
People don’t understand that your actions have consequences. Pete Rose is being punished cause he opened Pandora’s box. MLB made an example out of him. Don’t let him in until he passes away.
Sometimes I wonder had the black sox scandal never happened would the league have been as strict? They fined the guy a measly $50,000 ...Here's an idea...Fine him $100,000 and let him in the hall!
Steven A "banging the drum" for Pete Rose.
Should be in the Hall of Fame it’s not even a question
I agree with Stephen A, put the man in the hall. You cant deny what he gave to MLB...
If he bet during his time as a player I understand but he only did as a manager
by way there isnt a single 1919 black sox player who was banned in the HOFother who werent banned by Landis are in the Hall, and yes Shoeless Joe Jackson and Pete Rose both belong in the HOF
He’ll never be in the HOF. He’s banned for life.
Sorry Pete, you violated the one rule from which there is no return.
I hate when Skip makes a good point.
I don't know. He lied about betting for 15 years, finally "comes clean" but said he never bet against his own team. Who knows?And his bats were corked. That's like PED's for singles hitters.
Skip does not want Pete Rose nor Terrell Owens to be (their sport) Hall of Famers based only on non-cheating non-stats issues.
You can’t gamble on a game where your a coach or a manager… It completely ruins the game. Whether he only bet on his own team to win as he alleges we can never really believe that or know if that’s true… plus it makes more sense to bet against your team… Throwing a game is much easier than winning a game. I hope Pete Rose has a good life and he was a great great player but he should not be in the hall of fame
His biggest mistake is when he came back to the Reds as a player manager. The moment he bet in a position of power, he also did it as a player because his contract stated his role be 2 positions, an active player & manager. If Rose had just retired as an active player, he doesnt break Ty Cobb's record, but he'd definitely be forgiven for his betting days as manager. But his case today was laid to rest when Lou Piniella took over for him the season after his ban & went wire to wire & won a WS championship in 1990. That was a total indictment on Pete Rose: what did he do wrong with that team that Lou got so right? Keep out!
Yes, but Pete also built most of the core of that team along with the GM. But Lou also had to manage egos and injuries too.
Stephen Smith I agree with you 100% I never heard no one put it any better your let steroid users drug addicts back in the game and they forgive everyone but they won't forgive mr. Rose one of the greatest baseball players ever to play the game and I hope one day he does get inducted
tone tone yep
Criminal
Has any player from the Astro’s been penalized by MLB for cheating to gain advantages to help them out?
@@ticman1962 Nope and they were more guilty than the coach at the time
Right on Stephen A! 100%.
Many years the HOF considers players who have been on ballots for years and they get in based on sympathy. Stop handing out sympathy awards and put in the greatest hitter ever.
Green Bay Packer legend Paul Hornig was caught betting on football..not only was he allowed to keep playing, he was a first ballot HOF inductee..didn't seem to ruin his team, the league, the game or the museum in Canton..
And Alex Karras is also in the Hall of Fame now.
Baseball is the most pearl-clutching sport in American history. They took a decade longer than other major sports institute replay review. Teams like the Yankees still have a facial hair policy.. A FACIAL HAIR POLICY! MLB wants to act like it’s still directly after the 1919 “black sox” got caught throwing the series and they have to show that they won’t stand up for it. It’s been 104 years. Pete Rose has 4200+ hits! He could have murdered people after his playing career and he would still deserve a spot in Cooperstown.
Also.. skip can go fuck himself. Dude has some of the worst takes of any sportscaster in this country.
He also was caught betting the day of the Super Bowl too, as in he had been gambling the day of or night before the game even.
And that’s a different sport and different circumstances. Nice try though.
He a joke in boxing but he’s actually speaking the truth here
If Barry bonds didn’t get stripped of his most home runs for getting caught for juice.Then he should be in the hall of fame.
Growing up in the seventies, not one kid did not want to play like Pete. He better go in before he dies. I won't watch the game anymore because of it.
Embarrassing. Rose is a scumbag, he accepted his punishment to avoid further investigation. Think about that, he took the ‘plea’ because he knew there was worse to come, he’s a coward and a corrupt cheat.
Well said!
Most Major League umpires bet on baseball how else can you explain their absolute blindness from day to day.
Reason 9595 why I hate Skip Bayless
caleb reichenbach he thinks Pete is the only person who did it, tons of famous coaches did as well. Still do, just don't get caught.
Pete Rose is a Hall of Famer.
As a player , what he did as a player. He made Money for baseball in working 25 years 61-86..minor league to the major league. . Getting his team to championships. The guy on the right is a hypocrite in that betting has , is tolerated . There is professional betting . People involved in sports and broadcasting are making money than and today and tomorrow.
Forgiveness is one thing but.
I agree with Smith. The simple fact is that Rose did not do anything to affect the results of a single game in an unethical manner. Everyone who used performance-enhancing drugs did exactly that. Rose did not cheat, the others all did. That the others should be forgiven and he should not be is a moral travesty. This is not Black Sox because Rose never bet against his own team. The argument was made that Rose should be penalized because he affected how bookies calculated odds? I’m sorry, but it was not Rose’s responsibility to uphold the ethics of oddsmakers, and that that should outweigh upholding the ethics of the game itself is beyond asinine.
Pete Rose would've had 5000 hits if he actually didn't try because of a bet..
I BET he had nothing to do with that
2,165 Doubles? The record is 792 by Tris Speaker.
Billy Causgrove you’re right!! Rose is 2nd all time though with 746 I have no idea why it says 2,165
Pete was betting on his team to win. It would be very different had he bet to lose and then threw games
It goes to the integrity of the game.
I hear alot of " If's " coming out of Skips mouth. If this happened, if that happened, If if if if. Hey Skip IF the queen had balls she'd be king!
These people always want to change the damn rules to suit them and set a horrible precedence. Everyone who gambles will point to Pete and say but Pete gots away wif it's.
Oh for fucks sakes he's literally one of the greatest players to ever step foot on a baseball diamond...pretty simple
I am 55 years old, a Baseball (Mets) Fan since 1969, Rose was the Best Hitter I ever saw, but, a SOB of the field, he should be in the Baseball Hall of Fame as a Player. Scott :-)
Pete rose is in the hall of fame. He has multiple jerseys, bats, balls, and helmets encased in Cooperstown
Betting on baseball is the number one cardinal sin! How come you guys don’t get it? It’s posted in every locker room.
Many say Michael Jordan was allegedly betting on basketball in the 90's. During his first retirement press conference he stated, "Five years down the road, if the urge comes back, if the Bulls will have me, if David Stern lets me back in the league, I may come back." Why would he say if David Stern will have him back? It sounds like he was forced out, and to save face he retired quietly. He was under investigation for gambling prior to his retirement. In fact, the day he retired the investigation stopped. Some give that as a reason he left basketball the first time. If Michael Jordan had bet on basketball like Pete Rose bet on baseball, than there is no reason Pete Rose is not in the hall of fame today...
It is a well known fact that he was told to retire to avoid a scandal. Not sure I can blame Stern if he told him lay low for two years to let the gambling not get out in the open.
Pete rose should be in the hall of fame because of his numbers on the field baseball not letting Pete rose in the hall of fame is as stupid as the NCAA takeing away joe paternoster wins at penn state while he’s still alive then they give paterno all his wins back to him after he died that makes makes no sense to me at all
With respect to the greats of the game, the Hall of Fame doesn't matter anymore. Rose shouldn't have gambled while still in the league obviously, but he didn't throw ballgames , and that makes a difference.
Skip your wrong on the one. Pete should be in the Hall of Fame. It;s been 30 years now and he has paid the price for his sins. Let it go and Put Charley Hustle in the Hall.
OMG i cannot believe I agree with Stephen Smith!
Seriously weird... like kissing a first cousin weird... 😂🤣😂🤣
Tornado Of Souls me too he was right on
Yeah because he's showing support for a white man
can managers bet on games now?
ONCE YOU OPEN PANDORAS BOX YOU CAN'T UNDO IT
pete rose should be in the hall period
I've seen a lot of players in baseball and football that should have banned them from their sport! Roberto Alomar, spitting in an umpires face, Steve Howe, had countless number of problems with street drugs. Players going into stands to fight fans. Mets player throwing firecrackers at Dodger fans and seriously injuring them. A football player punches and knocks out his girlfriend in an elevator. Another football player runs a dog fighting business. Those are just some of the ones I can think of off the top of my head. All of these athletes never got banned from their sport! They had mentioned about criminals getting their freedom back with less time for punishment! The message I got from the Pete Rose, ban is you can commit any crime but never gamble!!! Tommy Lasorda's message can be tossed in the trash! I grew up in the beach cities of L.A. and was a Dodger fan until I saw a new Dodger that just signed a 325 million dollar contract and took a knee to our nations colors! I haven't seen a game since and didn't even know the Dodgers won the 2020 World Series until days later! I remember when he pulled other starting pitchers out of a game after giving up only a couple of runs and when Fernando Valenzuela pitched, Lasorda kept him in the game until he gave up 8 or more runs and very little chance for the team to come back. I would say that politics is very much a part of sports and I think, Pete Rose, pissed off the wrong politician! If we had a national vote to get Pete Rose, into the HOF, I think it would be surprising to the idiots who wants to keep him out! Pete Rose, earned a spot in the Hall! I'll not watch another game until he's inducted! I haven't eaten any ice cream since 2008. So, that will be a piece of cake!!! Feb. 2022
they are compleatly glossing over the fact the rule that banished Pete Rose rule 21 states that the player should be life time ban only if he ban on a game the player on the team which there is no proof that he placed a bet on or against his own team and there will never be proof cause it doesnt exist he didnt bet on his own team he stated it in his own book and yes there is a credibility problem with rose but its ridicules that pete rose is ban for something that they are just guessing on
Even though it was a ga't telmbling issue, I'm shocked Stephen A didn't tell Pete Rose to stay off the weeeeeeeeeeeed lol
Theres no denying how he earned his nickname, dude was one of the most competitive athletes ever. He couldn't cheat his way to 4256 hits, dude is legit. Put him in the damn HOF!
Sai B exactly. Put him in as a player not a manager. He is one of the most talented players ever he deserves in. He made bets as a manager not a player. How come PED users get in? Using PED is cheating, Rose didn't cheat for his stats. And I know this is another sport but OJ is in the NFL Hall of Fame. We all pretty much know he murdered 2 people. But he stays??
If you watched him over his entire career, especially toward the end, alot of that "Charlie Hustle was for show. I've seem him head diving into 2nd or 3rd base alot even when the throw wasn't going to those bases. Crowd loved it though.
@@haydencloud3619 OJ was acquitted so that means he was innocent. Plus he was voted in the HOF before the so called murders. And betting as a manager is worse than betting as a player. As a manager you can control the outcome of the game since you're the one making decisions. As a player you just control you.
@@hennylo68 “OJ was acquitted so that means he was innocent”
Lmfao no.. it doesn’t. It means he was not found guilty of the charges against him.. The prosecution shot for the moon with first degree murder charges, which require proof of premeditation.
Clark and Darden mounted one of the most horrific prosecutions of all time. Just because he was found not guilty of the charges against him does not mean he did not kill those people… anyone with half a brain knows he killed them.. and the only reason he was found not guilty was because Marcia Clark and Chris Darden went for gold with the charges. They also were absolutely dreadful at jury selection and Marcia Clark might be the most disillusioned prosecution lawyer I have ever seen in my life with how she expected African American jury members to come to a guilty verdict directly following the Rodney king incident. She might be the worst person at reading a room in the history of people.. and my god.. the absolute idiocy of Darden suggesting OJ try the glove on..
Anyone.. ANYONE with half a brain cell in OJ’s seat would make damn sure it looked like the glove didn’t fit.
The only reason he was acquitted was because the prosecution was possibly the worst in US history.
@@haydencloud3619He was a player manager, but he was never going to make it a manager. I think the lifetime ban should mean until they due and after they become eligible to be reinstated. Joe Jackson and tigers should be eligible 100 years later, they can decide not to put them in based on their playing careers before the 1919 WS.
Pete is the man and baseball puts his bat and other memorabilia in the hall of fame and not him shame on MLB
I agree with sas here, if their gonna give others a pass they should give Pete one for a lot of reasons. If they came down hard on everyone then I would be ok with Pete staying away but that isn’t the case
Why do Americans keep saying that they have the greatest country in the world?
Why is it wrong to bet on your own team
Bullshit, his hits stand. He should go in the hall. If they're going to let Ty Cobb in the HOF, Pete Rose is an angel compared to that. Fact Check: None of the 8 players inplicated in the black sox scandal are in the HOF.
Not really, those hits were with corked bats.
Wow, actually agree with Stephen A on this. Disgusting Skip.
As I watch MLB Network and see the sports betting odds scrolling across the bottom of the screen, see and hear the MLB broadcast personalities promoting fantasy sports betting on air, and see sports gambling companies as major sponsors of MLB; it's time to reinstate Pete Rose and "Shoeless" Joe Jackson and induct them into the Hall of Fame. If MLB is going to actively and blatantly encourage people to bet money on MLB games by promoting sports gambling in an invasive manner, what Pete and Joe did doesn't matter anymore.
My mental hall of fame 😭😭😭 skip kills me son
Stephen A. makes a great argument balancing the facts with fairness and historical context...and then Skip goes and argues points that Stephen A. didn't even dispute - trying to represent those facts as his rebuttal. Stephen A. wins running away.
Yes and it goes back to Stephen's point about forgiveness in society AND sports. That Pete has gotten none. By those that have the final say.
Betting on baseball was established stephen.
The man on the right is small minded. Reminds me of family members who never forgive.. . But are blind when others commit the same act , but have no influence, so have no opinion. But on Rose they do. He has a platform
If Baseball did not have a big problem with Pete Rose betting on Baseball neither would Skip have a Problem with Pete Rose...Skips entire Argument is based on how Baseball feels...If Baseball felt Pete was a MURDERER than Skip would too...Skip YOU are the one missing the Big Picture not Stephen A
Long as u bet on you your team own I don't think know it's a problem, if u bet on the opposition, that's wen there is a problem because that means you are throwing the game, if you bet on yourself it just shows how confident u are in yourself, shunt be a problem
This is the reason why I do not watch anything with Skip Bayless!
Didn't help my pay check out, and I don't care.
This is the most articulate well thought out argument put forth by Steven A. I agree 100% put Pete in the HOF! & put Skip in a hole.
I have to agree. BTW, any other such accomplished athlete in ANY sport ever been shunned like Pete?
A sport he help popularize for an era!
PED use doesn't delegitimize the game?
And also remember Pete Rose bet as a manager as a player he should be in the hall as a manager you can't be in all just do it that way
I full hardly agree with Stephen A Smith
And Keith Hernandez battle in the games while he was a player there's a lot of players that are still betting on games so don't give me that crap he deserves to be in it and that's it he paid his price
There was never any evidence that Pete Rose bet as a player none so I don't know what he's talking about
@@frankfindout1505 He was betting and using corked bats as a player also. Yes, he admitted that he bet as a player.
14 Charlie Hustle HOF
I can think of 4256 reasons why Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame.
"Brother been servin' 26 years and countin' 😂😂😂
But they said fk Barry
If you are going to put Rose in the hall then how about Joe Jackson?
Peter Luk Shoeless?!
Peter Luk Shoeless?!
Peter Luk I forgot that Pete threw an entire World Series for money, it’s been proven he bet on his team to win. But we’ll let all the dudes who used PED’s to allowed to be voted into the game
Joe Jackson played very well during the 1919 World Series.
Fartin Barton ???
You knew what Skip was going to say before he opened his mouth, and you knew he was dead wrong. Rose bet on baseball. Bonds, Mcgwire, Clemens. All used PEDs to get the numbers they have. Bonds and Clemens just got 65% of the HOF vote on the last ballot. Rose never cheated. He bet on his team to win. The "others" probably wouldnt be half as good without the drugs. Yet they have a chance at the hall. Wtf is wrong with baseball? I could understand if he bet on his team to loose and threw the game. But not if he bet on them to win and then worked his ass off to do so. 4200 hits says "I always work harder than you do, I want to win!!"
Also i do agree with Skip on the part he said about credibility. But there is no evidence Rose ever threw a game as a player or manager.
@@jps8997 All we have is his word that he didn't, and Rose was a serial liar.
Pete rose should be in the hall of fame as a Yankees fan I don’t agree with him not getting in the hall of fame I know he messed up he didn’t take steroids like bonds did
"Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason why it was put up" - Kenesaw Mountain Landis...OK, it was GK Chesterton, but, if you understand the existential crisis that resulted in baseball gamblers being banned from the sport, you'll understand why Pete Rose can't be in the HOF.
zipadeed00dah There is a difference. Those banned by Landis and those previous were banned for throwing the games, therefore undermining the public trust in the games’ outcomes. None of Pete’s bets affected the outcome of games or were to throw games. Maybe you need a better understanding of that historical crisis?
zipadeed00dah Oh how wrong you are
Not having the best player in history in to your hall of fame it’s a joke
Smith is on point with his take.
Does Pete Rose belong in the Hall of Fame? Yes. Will he ever get in? No.
Rose should never be in a hall of fame, he’s a liar and won’t tell the truth, no matter how many years it’s been...
Skip he bet on games, but he never bet against his team. He bet on his team to win and cover the points. Still not right, but he never shaved points. It has been 30+ years . Give the man his due. He is 80 years old. Give him his one last day in the sun.
HOF
WELL SKIP....HUNDREDS OF OTHER PLAYERS CROSSED LINES THAT SHOULD NEVER BE CROSSED AND SSSSSSSSTILLLLLLL PLAYED AND/OR ARE PLAYING!!! GET PETE ROSE WHERE HE BELONGS...THE HALL OF FAME!!!
Great ball player. Statutory rapists shouldn't be in the HOF though.
Anybody know rhe name of the name of the background song?
Pete For The Hall Of Fame!!
Pete can bet on baseball now draft kings etc..
Smith is full of hot air.
Pete rose did everything with his natural skill unlike the large percentage of athletes doing PEDs, and he can't get credit for what he achieved with raw talent. We forgive the ones who put their bodies in harm to hit the ball farther and throw faster...
Volkz337 Amen, brother! How the steroid criminals aren’t stoned when they are within a hundred yards of a baseball park is beyond me. They’ve tainted the statistical fabric of the game.
Joe Jackson was a great player in. his day and would have been in the Hall of Fame had he not been convicted for gambling. Rose did the same thing and that's the way it goes. Can't allowed him in..
Yep, and he was fucking incredible...gimme a God damn break
@@HoboJoe1416 as bad as this sounds.. the home run battle between McGuire and Sosa followed by Bonds setting the all time record is what revived baseball.
I wish It wouldn’t have taken PED’s to get there, but it’s true nonetheless. Baseball was dying, and the sudden spark of home run records kept it alive.
Pete Rose could have murdered a few people after he retired and still been a first ballot unanimous hall of fame’r.
Baseball hierarchy is almost nothing but pearl-clutching purists who won’t be alive to see the 2040 season.
If you don't believe other athletes have not gambled on their sport, you're being willfully naive.
The arguments against Rose are bogus and outdated. It's like holding Prohibition-era charges against breweries.
Hit king 👑