Embrace the mess. Baseball has always been about what they can get away with, players saying they’ve caught the ball and hasn’t, sign stealing, pitchers juicing the ball, umps making shitty calls and making it up with the next pitch. I don’t agree about using steroids in baseball but it is a part of the history of the best game! With that said HOF should let all these guys in the hall with an exhibit at the HOF with that era. These players had HOF numbers before the juice. And my gawd Rose needs to be in. The conversation is a great one about their numbers and that’s another thing I love about baseball!
Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriguez, Mark McGwire, Roger Clemens and more all need to be in the Hall of Fame. No more who did this or that, the stats speak for themselves that's it! There are players who used and got in so you can't scrutinize everyone.
That's debatable... Rose didn't do a thing to his body to make his stats unnaturally better. The others did. We know exactly how good Rose was... the other we don't. Can you say for sure that McGwire hits over 500 HR's without the stuff?
@@stewgotz1 Never to throw a game though. Always bet in the favor of his own team. Rose will get into the HOF but they'll just wait until he's dead to make an example out of him. They may do the same with Bonds and others but still.. big difference between the infractions.
You can tell Clemens just loves the game. He could not care less about the Hall now, especially since Rose, Bonds, and Schilling aren't in either. So much generational talent not represented in the museum of the game. Even the Black Sox, one of the worst blights in baseball history, are showcased as such in the Hall.
Take a look at how the standard for the Hall has been watered down in the last 30 years. Most of these guys getting in don't stack up to the guys that got in 50-60 even 70 years ago
Ehhh... I love that Beltré got in to the Hall of Fame... I'm ok with Mauer getting in... But the BBWA and Baseball Hall are full of crap and doesn't even really matter anymore... Two of the greatest if not The Greatest players of all time at their respective positions are not in the Hall of Fame... More ex players and/or managers should be on the voting committee.... Jose Canseco can be called a lot of things, but everyone he said did PED's turned out they did them. Several of the players he mentioned are in the Hall of Fame. And Bonds & Clemens don't get in. ??? Never tested positive and no facts or proof. Only assumptions and speculation. Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame too, but that is a whole other conversation!! It is a popularity contest now. Writers and Voters given too much power and control over who they want in the Baseball Hall...
Ummm. I want to be married to Ana de armas. But unfortunately we don't live in a fantasy world. Do u understand what Pete rose did or are u just unaware? The single biggest rule for any professional sport is to not bet on games if you are involved in influencing the outcome. Which he flagrantly broke, and was absolutely unapologetic about it. So I think it would be a disgrace for him to be in the hall of fame. Judging him as a player who bet on baseball. He could have 10 thousand hits and i wouldn't give a shit. He could be a bad guy, I don't care. Good guy, I don't care. He knew what he was doing and he disgraced the game he supposedly loved. He's fine, he's not in jail (anymore) he just can't be in the hall. Judging as a player, no fucking way.
Pete Rose should be in....never ever cheated on the field. But the druggies who used PEDs cheated the game, cheated the fans in order to enrich themselves should never be allowed in.
This is the second time of him talking about how much he would have made if the played today. Well with tougher PED tests and that inappropriate affair with underaged McCready, probably would’ve been banned for life, possibly served jail time. He’s in denial. It’s sad.
The Hall of Fame has become a joke. There are a ton of guys who are in who have no business being there. Clemens, Bonds, Manny, ARod should absolutely be in.
Pete Rose would have been in the Hall of Fame. He was offered a short suspension if he would admit to betting. He wouldn't and signed the agreement for a lifetime ban because of his own pigheadedness.
He may be an idiot in all facets of life but he is a baseball savant. The hit king needs to be in the hall. Not in his DNA to admit wrong or apologize. Lots of highly successful people are like that. Think of an ex President who may be one again.
Yes you right it should be about what they did on the field they never proved anything against them only allegations bonds McGuire they all belong no one is perfect
Like it or not, the HOF has a character clause. No other professional hall has one. I encourage you to peruse Pete Rose's wikipedia page - just skim it, even - then tell me if that's a man of high character.
HOF is a joke. Pete has paid his dues, he needs to be elected. Clemens the same along with Bonds. When guys like Helton, Walker, Bagwell, Biggio and Rolen are getting in😂 It’s for GREATS despite whatever numbers they might have.
AROD paid his dues. He missed a year. How much is enough? Seriously, David Wright? Terrible. Your argument on Sheffields defense is the same on Andrew Jones. Last 5 years of his career he was fat and in the strip clubs…
I'd rather let in ped guys than Pete rose. Not that I'd advocate for that. But, if your a gambler (even if u always bet on the reds) u aren't betting for them 162 games a year unless you are just stupid. And whether u bet on ur team to win or lose is absolutely irrelevant. Sorry roger.
David Ortiz is in the HOF, so why not let Clemens and Bonds in.
David got it because he was a great personality dude 😂 free pass From the mlb ofc
Love how MLB & owners are putting betting windows in the actual stadiums while maintaining Rose shouldn't get in.
Bond Clemens and Rose!
Lots of good knowledge from Roger.
Keeping Clemson out of the Hall of Fame, Only makes the Hall of Fame seem Fraudulent.
does Roger age?!?! he does not look 60something
Embrace the mess. Baseball has always been about what they can get away with, players saying they’ve caught the ball and hasn’t, sign stealing, pitchers juicing the ball, umps making shitty calls and making it up with the next pitch. I don’t agree about using steroids in baseball but it is a part of the history of the best game! With that said HOF should let all these guys in the hall with an exhibit at the HOF with that era. These players had HOF numbers before the juice. And my gawd Rose needs to be in. The conversation is a great one about their numbers and that’s another thing I love about baseball!
The second they let one rule breaker in, the need to open the door for everyone.
That's not true.. different circumstances entirely. Rose should absolutely be in the hall of fame. Clemens should not.
@@timotmon big papi had a positive ped test in 2003. Roger Clemens never did.
Look it up.
Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriguez, Mark McGwire, Roger Clemens and more all need to be in the Hall of Fame. No more who did this or that, the stats speak for themselves that's it! There are players who used and got in so you can't scrutinize everyone.
That's debatable... Rose didn't do a thing to his body to make his stats unnaturally better. The others did. We know exactly how good Rose was... the other we don't. Can you say for sure that McGwire hits over 500 HR's without the stuff?
He gambled
@@stewgotz1 Never to throw a game though. Always bet in the favor of his own team. Rose will get into the HOF but they'll just wait until he's dead to make an example out of him. They may do the same with Bonds and others but still.. big difference between the infractions.
@@stewgotz1 MLB gambles on its own games with a huge stake in Truefan and Draftkings. They have skin in the game.
You can tell Clemens just loves the game. He could not care less about the Hall now, especially since Rose, Bonds, and Schilling aren't in either. So much generational talent not represented in the museum of the game. Even the Black Sox, one of the worst blights in baseball history, are showcased as such in the Hall.
True, but they're not actually in the Hall.
Ortiz got in just saying, 50% is a media darling vote
Take a look at how the standard for the Hall has been watered down in the last 30 years. Most of these guys getting in don't stack up to the guys that got in 50-60 even 70 years ago
Joe mauer 😂😂😂😂 todd helton
Nice set.
thanks!
@@ScottyBraun-FoulTerritory 😁
Clemens teaching his splitter in Japan is cool
Ehhh... I love that Beltré got in to the Hall of Fame... I'm ok with Mauer getting in... But the BBWA and Baseball Hall are full of crap and doesn't even really matter anymore... Two of the greatest if not The Greatest players of all time at their respective positions are not in the Hall of Fame... More ex players and/or managers should be on the voting committee.... Jose Canseco can be called a lot of things, but everyone he said did PED's turned out they did them. Several of the players he mentioned are in the Hall of Fame. And Bonds & Clemens don't get in. ??? Never tested positive and no facts or proof. Only assumptions and speculation. Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame too, but that is a whole other conversation!! It is a popularity contest now. Writers and Voters given too much power and control over who they want in the Baseball Hall...
I want Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame, judge him as a player.
Ummm. I want to be married to Ana de armas. But unfortunately we don't live in a fantasy world. Do u understand what Pete rose did or are u just unaware? The single biggest rule for any professional sport is to not bet on games if you are involved in influencing the outcome. Which he flagrantly broke, and was absolutely unapologetic about it. So I think it would be a disgrace for him to be in the hall of fame. Judging him as a player who bet on baseball. He could have 10 thousand hits and i wouldn't give a shit. He could be a bad guy, I don't care. Good guy, I don't care. He knew what he was doing and he disgraced the game he supposedly loved. He's fine, he's not in jail (anymore) he just can't be in the hall. Judging as a player, no fucking way.
@@rossdilworth3412 so you admit that you don't know a fuckin thing about baseball.
Pete Rose will not. He did not apologize when given the chance. He should be in tho
Pete Rose should be in....never ever cheated on the field. But the druggies who used PEDs cheated the game, cheated the fans in order to enrich themselves should never be allowed in.
Baseball Hall of Fame and the Rock N Roll Hall must be run by the same idiots
I don't think Pete Rose will be allowed just because he's passed, Joe Jackson still hasn't gotten in.
This is the second time of him talking about how much he would have made if the played today. Well with tougher PED tests and that inappropriate affair with underaged McCready, probably would’ve been banned for life, possibly served jail time. He’s in denial. It’s sad.
Yeah he is a dirtbag. I remember his roid rage incident where he threw a broken bat at Mike Piazza.
The Hall of Fame has become a joke. There are a ton of guys who are in who have no business being there. Clemens, Bonds, Manny, ARod should absolutely be in.
Live in the Bible belt
Forgiveness is the talk of the town. It's a game for F..k sake. A game. Put Pete in. I'm nobody USA and forgive him.
If Pete Rose gets into the Hall of fame then they would have to put Shoeless Joe Jackson in too! Just saying!
Pete Rose would have been in the Hall of Fame. He was offered a short suspension if he would admit to betting. He wouldn't and signed the agreement for a lifetime ban because of his own pigheadedness.
He may be an idiot in all facets of life but he is a baseball savant. The hit king needs to be in the hall. Not in his DNA to admit wrong or apologize. Lots of highly successful people are like that. Think of an ex President who may be one again.
Why are these players who were so great not getting in the hall of fame
Politics
STEROIDS!
Yes you right it should be about what they did on the field they never proved anything against them only allegations bonds McGuire they all belong no one is perfect
Like it or not, the HOF has a character clause. No other professional hall has one.
I encourage you to peruse Pete Rose's wikipedia page - just skim it, even - then tell me if that's a man of high character.
If you didn't suck the media off during your career, they'll make you pay.
A Juicer wanting a Gambler in The Hall of Fame
HOF is a joke. Pete has paid his dues, he needs to be elected. Clemens the same along with Bonds. When guys like Helton, Walker, Bagwell, Biggio and Rolen are getting in😂 It’s for GREATS despite whatever numbers they might have.
AROD paid his dues. He missed a year. How much is enough? Seriously, David Wright? Terrible. Your argument on Sheffields defense is the same on Andrew Jones. Last 5 years of his career he was fat and in the strip clubs…
Steve Garvey and Dave Parker are not in the Hall of Fame. To hell with Cooperstown
Roger Clemens defends Mr. I Thought She Was 16. Mindy McCready is unavailable for comment.
Baseball has the biggest scandals
Well, one liar defending another. How quaint.
He’s not in the HOF bc he’s a fkn cheater to the game
Clemens wants a cheater in so he can get in too. First a gambler, then a PED cheat.
I'd rather let in ped guys than Pete rose. Not that I'd advocate for that. But, if your a gambler (even if u always bet on the reds) u aren't betting for them 162 games a year unless you are just stupid. And whether u bet on ur team to win or lose is absolutely irrelevant. Sorry roger.