Stephen A. & Mad Dog Russo’s HEATED debate on Barry Bonds & Roger Clemens missing the Hall of Fame

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  • Опубликовано: 25 янв 2022
  • Stephen A. & Mad Dog Russo’s HEATED debate on Barry Bonds & Roger Clemens missing the Hall of Fame
    Stephen A. Smith and Mad Dog react to David Ortiz being elected into the Baseball Hall of Fame in his first year on the ballot and weigh in on Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens not being elected into the Hall of Fame.
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  • @jamesjefferson3809
    @jamesjefferson3809 2 года назад +389

    This segment should be renamed “2 New Yorkers Yelling at Each Other”😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @brandonmoucatel9630
      @brandonmoucatel9630 2 года назад +10

      Haha classic

    • @bigh9884
      @bigh9884 2 года назад +3

      Steven A is annoying

    • @spidaman2475
      @spidaman2475 2 года назад +4

      I was about to say this lol just yelllllling. It's too early in the morning lol

    • @cracked586
      @cracked586 2 года назад +1

      Hard hat summer coming up… BING BONG

    • @tonyrivas6429
      @tonyrivas6429 2 года назад +3

      Haha! Two dudes just chatting in front of Dunkin Donuts...

  • @WrestlingIsReal649
    @WrestlingIsReal649 2 года назад +487

    No way Barry bonds ain’t in the Hall of fame but the Astors still have there World Series rings smh 😭😭😭

    • @Jojo7190_
      @Jojo7190_ 2 года назад +55

      I’m not even a baseball fan, and I was wondering like did they forget about that?😭

    • @dnice4145
      @dnice4145 2 года назад +67

      Baseball applies a moral standard when it suits them.

    • @Frankieefootballmundial
      @Frankieefootballmundial 2 года назад +5

      Ok what about Garrit cole should he be inducted in the hall of fame because of spider tack

    • @Frankieefootballmundial
      @Frankieefootballmundial 2 года назад +8

      Jose altuve shouldn’t be in the hall of fame

    • @JovaniMiller0401
      @JovaniMiller0401 2 года назад +1

      🤦

  • @stephonaugustin1384
    @stephonaugustin1384 2 года назад +342

    I almost thought this was a First Take throwback. I thought that was skip 😂😂

    • @harrygibbs912
      @harrygibbs912 2 года назад +2

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @zona2009
      @zona2009 2 года назад +10

      Love it. First Take has not been the same since. Actually been watching Undisputed recent instead of First Take

    • @Marlo_189
      @Marlo_189 2 года назад +1

      😂😂

    • @vishnupur
      @vishnupur 2 года назад +1

      Bro 😂😂😂

    • @__Edub__
      @__Edub__ 2 года назад +1

      @@zona2009 I think it might be the lack of a consistent host. You don't know who you're going to get.

  • @ireneuszskica558
    @ireneuszskica558 2 года назад +271

    Lmao Stephen A finally found skips long lost brother

    • @adriansmith5279
      @adriansmith5279 2 года назад +14

      For reals. Is like Mad Dog is Skip Bayless Twin Brother from another Dimension!

    • @knight9k
      @knight9k 2 года назад +2

      Yep!

    • @SantosPhillipCarlo
      @SantosPhillipCarlo 2 года назад +4

      What does that make Stephen A, black Mike Francesa?

    • @bigh9884
      @bigh9884 2 года назад +1

      Skip Bayless never screamed as much as Russo

    • @jeremygosu6216
      @jeremygosu6216 2 года назад +1

      I would argue mad dog is crazier, lol

  • @undisputedshulk2148
    @undisputedshulk2148 2 года назад +524

    Need to see more mad dog and Stephen A. This is an all time segment.

    • @hudsonlawrence
      @hudsonlawrence 2 года назад +17

      totally agree. finally a match in entertainment style and experience for Stephen A

    • @gabrielvazquez1691
      @gabrielvazquez1691 2 года назад +8

      For that to happen ESPN would need to make what’s called a good decision. Two decades ago they would. Now, tbd

    • @sush139
      @sush139 2 года назад +2

      It is! It is!

    • @thorndavidvideos
      @thorndavidvideos 2 года назад +3

      100% in agreement, that was awesome!

    • @akmo7766
      @akmo7766 2 года назад +3

      AGREED!! they make a GREAT TEAM!!

  • @JS121
    @JS121 2 года назад +207

    Literally cannot make out a single word from the two of them.
    All time classic clip

    • @danielwest9955
      @danielwest9955 2 года назад +8

      This is without hyperbole one of the greatest crossovers of all time.

    • @AngeloBx
      @AngeloBx 2 года назад +15

      REAL NEW YORK TALK

    • @sush139
      @sush139 2 года назад +3

      My point exactly! This is WWE level entertainment….so messed up and yet so riveting.

    • @worldisfilledb
      @worldisfilledb 2 года назад

      You idiots using that word wrong lol morons 😂

    • @1ZosoLZ
      @1ZosoLZ Год назад

      You lames didn’t watch first take in it’s prime in 2011-2014. It was like this every day and without annoying ppl like Molly

  • @rell_5000
    @rell_5000 2 года назад +35

    7x MVP, 8x Golden Glove, 40-40 club. 500 homers and 500 stolen bases smh. The man would see one pitch a game and still send it. Try as they might, it's IMPOSSIBLE to wipe Barry Bonds from the history of the game...

  • @YaBoyyJohnNBA
    @YaBoyyJohnNBA 2 года назад +367

    Never though I'd see a Mad Dog Russo and Stephen A Smith debate LMAO. Btw Barry Bonds should be in the HOF

    • @lk5388
      @lk5388 2 года назад +19

      As far as i'm concerned. The baseball hall of fame is fraudulent.
      Writers put emotion over merit for their consideration. The entire voting criteria needs to be changed, with the writers excluded entirely. Let the hall alumni conduct all their voting.

    • @Ruouiji
      @Ruouiji 2 года назад +2

      Wrong.

    • @FGPlus
      @FGPlus 2 года назад

      Mlb is a mess

    • @YaBoyyJohnNBA
      @YaBoyyJohnNBA 2 года назад

      @@lk5388 TALK ‼️

    • @billysummers1616
      @billysummers1616 2 года назад +2

      Bonds cheated. To have that big of an unfair advantage isn't fair to the other players, tarnishes the integrity of the game, and alters the record books to inaccurate numbers. Should be 0 tolerance for cheating, all the Astros should be banned too, and let's see if anyone goes onto cheat in the future.

  • @raeedbrown8532
    @raeedbrown8532 2 года назад +104

    Barry bonds was the best player in baseball for years before the steroid accusation

    • @PPM209
      @PPM209 2 года назад +6

      Exactly….. he didnt need steroids

    • @ericdraven8784
      @ericdraven8784 2 года назад

      @@PPM209 so why'd he use steroids then??? 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

    • @PPM209
      @PPM209 2 года назад +4

      @@ericdraven8784 thats the point im making idiot

    • @ericdraven8784
      @ericdraven8784 2 года назад +2

      @@PPM209 that's not answering the question, idiot!! 😂🤣😂🤣

    • @PPM209
      @PPM209 2 года назад

      @@ericdraven8784 😈

  • @auburnmann3630
    @auburnmann3630 2 года назад +59

    Two New Yorkers arguing over baseball ( or sports in general) rarely gets old

    • @Ruouiji
      @Ruouiji 2 года назад +4

      It gets old fast to those of us who (thankfully) arent' NYer's! LOL

    • @yasinrahim7766
      @yasinrahim7766 2 года назад +2

      @@Ruouiji nah I love it two people arguing over something they both have a love and passion for

  • @rondevincenzo6327
    @rondevincenzo6327 2 года назад +175

    This is ridiculous, they allow sports writers to hold a vendetta against great players (bonds and clements) who never tested positive but then allow others in who were also mentioned in those ped reports. Take the vote away from the writers and give it to the players! Big papi is great and deserves to get in but this sucks.

    • @lk5388
      @lk5388 2 года назад +13

      Its because the writers were never great. They are petty, vindictive and fallow.

    • @cliffordfernandez3524
      @cliffordfernandez3524 2 года назад +3

      @@lk5388 they’re pathetic never was’
      Sports writers r nothing
      MOre than opinion makers like the rest of us who get paid to write high school to college level essays
      That’s it
      They’re not important
      Nobody reads their bs anymore anyway n nobody knows who they are

    • @paleo704
      @paleo704 2 года назад +9

      Big Papi was in the Mitchell Report. The media has lost all credibility

    • @liarzdice
      @liarzdice 2 года назад +5

      It's because Bonds and Clements weren't friendly with media. Hall of fame at this point means nothing to me. Might as well be on par with the home run derby.

    • @maxmx767
      @maxmx767 2 года назад +2

      You kind of have a point on this except on the part where you try to deny Bonds and Clemens used steroids
      Bonds actually got indicted when his name came up into the BALCO investigation while his trainer also did jail time because he refused to testify against Bonds.
      I believe Bonds used steroids but MLB was complicit
      He should be in the HOF
      MLB should admit they knew player were using PEDs

  • @ThePatman1980
    @ThePatman1980 2 года назад +82

    Barry Bonds would've still been in the HoF without steroids. He was a blue-blood of the sport. A child prodigy like Mozart. His godfather was Willie Mays, who many consider a top 5 legendary baseball player.

    • @MrFooliofocker
      @MrFooliofocker 2 года назад +12

      He didn’t need the home run record to be a Hall of Famer. That’s what most of these writers don’t understand.

    • @dustindover4988
      @dustindover4988 2 года назад +2

      He wouldn't be the Home run leader tho. All these records he broke should have a * next to them

    • @dustindover4988
      @dustindover4988 2 года назад +3

      @@MrFooliofocker he would've never broke Hank Record. He needed 100 home runs in those last few years to beat the record. You can't tell me steroids didn't help him hit those home runs to catch the record

    • @MrFooliofocker
      @MrFooliofocker 2 года назад

      @@dustindover4988 you are missing the point. Even without the record, he deserves to be in the HOF.

    • @HamAndCheeze
      @HamAndCheeze 2 года назад

      His cousin was Reggie Jackson

  • @tyty4525
    @tyty4525 2 года назад +196

    Molly ruins everything like everything she’s the most insufferable person in sports media

    • @mrjdbrn
      @mrjdbrn 2 года назад +13

      I thought it was just me

    • @allannixon5113
      @allannixon5113 2 года назад +11

      Please get rid of her and give the job to charlie that filled in for her I can't remember her last name

    • @SarignCleric
      @SarignCleric 2 года назад +5

      @@allannixon5113 Charliey Caruso, former "reporter" for WWE

    • @cobrakainevereverdies6940
      @cobrakainevereverdies6940 2 года назад

      *If she was Black, she'd be the Queen of all QUEENS*
      STOP IT !!!!

    • @jaywashington8381
      @jaywashington8381 2 года назад +25

      @@cobrakainevereverdies6940 naw a annoying women is annoying no matter the race.

  • @juicelord4792
    @juicelord4792 2 года назад +351

    Stephen A. Is right in this one. I don’t agree with hardly anything he’s been saying these past few years but this is spot on. Baseball benefited immensely from Bonds and other PED accused stars. Now we want to act like they don’t exist??? Even in Bonds case, he was a HOF caliber player before the scandal really took over the sport.

    • @wook1990
      @wook1990 2 года назад +41

      @@PPM209 And yet you just moved the goal post to try and make your argument.

    • @joeyportia6476
      @joeyportia6476 2 года назад +33

      @@PPM209 They already did. Ortiz is in. And hate to break it to you, majority of the players in the HOF were likely using, too.

    • @ThomasCrovvn
      @ThomasCrovvn 2 года назад +10

      @@PPM209 they did for Ortiz

    • @christopherantoine9657
      @christopherantoine9657 2 года назад +6

      They can let Barry have the records, but not the glory of ending his baseball legacy where it belongs. It seems like the MLB is trying to erase the steroid era and make it seem like it never existed

    • @leemarvin5738
      @leemarvin5738 2 года назад +9

      I agree with SAS too. Papi tested positive and Bonds and Clemens were HOFers way before the steriod stink. A Pete Rose didn't bet on baseball so all should be in. What's good for the goose.....

  • @djarmstrong4099
    @djarmstrong4099 2 года назад +341

    1. Bonds was already on route with his play to have HOF numbers long before any use.
    2. The only thing they really have against Bonds was his size difference from the beginning of his career to the end of it.
    3. If you already have known steroid users in the HOF and you’re letting other players in who have failed actual testing no reason to keep him out

    • @manleystax8142
      @manleystax8142 2 года назад +6

      u gave his first dose? smh

    • @David-lf6rr
      @David-lf6rr 2 года назад +15

      it’s more of the fact that he kind of ruined baseball history. if he would’ve just got 50 homers a year and didn’t touch aaron’s records, he probably would’ve got in. he shattered every record and has kind of taken away the mystique of baseball

    • @djarmstrong4099
      @djarmstrong4099 2 года назад +25

      @@David-lf6rr if you really look at his numbers it wasn’t no crazy jump throughout his career if his numbers dropped his walks went up but pretty much he was a constant player. If you go and look at his Padres days and his early giants days you could s e if he really put effort into it he was going to break records. That’s why it’s so outrageous that he’s not in when he should have been a first ballot he had no wild spike or a crazy fall off in his bad years he either was hurt most of that year or he had hella walks because nobody was pitching to him

    • @David-lf6rr
      @David-lf6rr 2 года назад +5

      @@djarmstrong4099 but it’s indisputable that he doesn’t break the all time home run records without steroids, that’s the point

    • @twoodbeats
      @twoodbeats 2 года назад +7

      DJ can you tell me who is in the Hall that we know that is linked to PEDs? Not trolling, I am genuinely curious in the answer you give

  • @raynorferguson5434
    @raynorferguson5434 2 года назад +174

    If Bonds was a " Media Darling" he would already be in the HOF. The man is arguably the GOAT

    • @oscarthegrouch4574
      @oscarthegrouch4574 2 года назад +2

      Cause he’s a cheater

    • @daiviera9569
      @daiviera9569 2 года назад +5

      Goats don’t cheat. Sorry bonds don’t deserve it. Nor does sosa or McGwire.

    • @jeffsullivan4150
      @jeffsullivan4150 2 года назад +10

      @@daiviera9569 ....and David Ortiz? What about him?

    • @themaskedmet3097
      @themaskedmet3097 2 года назад +15

      @@oscarthegrouch4574 Gimme a break....
      ..In a league were probably 50% of players were cheating Bonds was Clearly the BEST nobody else juicing was anywhere near him.........

    • @oscarthegrouch4574
      @oscarthegrouch4574 2 года назад

      @@themaskedmet3097 cry some more

  • @christopherpryor4055
    @christopherpryor4055 2 года назад +80

    The best argument Stephen A Smith has made in a long time.

  • @thanos2727
    @thanos2727 2 года назад +30

    The same writers who voted bonds to win MVPs and on all time great decade and century teams... are the same ones who now keep him out of the HOF . The hypocrisy is mind boggling

  • @-XKHAN-
    @-XKHAN- 2 года назад +45

    Can you write MLB without mentioning Bonds an Clemens?? Absolutely Not!! Hall of Famers

    • @user-dz4ty5tj7q
      @user-dz4ty5tj7q 2 года назад +1

      You can

    • @trevmac8362
      @trevmac8362 2 года назад

      Bonds would have bankrupted The Hall by getting in.. It would cost a fortune to make a Bronze steroid head that size

  • @briansanders1926
    @briansanders1926 2 года назад +17

    Everybody was on something. You cant just ignore an era of the game that basically saved the league.

  • @david.draper
    @david.draper 2 года назад +54

    The World needs a Mad Dog Russo and Stephen A Show!

    • @diaclethian1
      @diaclethian1 2 года назад +3

      exactly

    • @Ruouiji
      @Ruouiji 2 года назад +3

      No it doesn't. We have enough talking heads as it is!

  • @patrickneblett4049
    @patrickneblett4049 2 года назад +22

    I love it when first take talk about baseball and other sports rather than the laker 99% of the time.

  • @themaskedmet3097
    @themaskedmet3097 2 года назад +37

    Bonds went from a HOF player to a Baseball GOD when he used......If you threw a pitch to him in the strike zone, He was going to either hit it over the fence or make hard Contanct somewhere.....That level of dominance will never be seen again, and had never been seen before......

    • @mariocisneros911
      @mariocisneros911 2 года назад

      Hey he stood on top of the plate with plastic armour. That alone isn't a level field for the pitcher.others before and after didnt do that. He cheated to get more hits and homers

    • @themaskedmet3097
      @themaskedmet3097 2 года назад +3

      @@mariocisneros911 Bonds is the only guy in Mlb history to crowd the plate?? Give me a break..........Also that's not his problem, If a pitcher didn't like were he was standing they had every opportunity to throw one up n In n back him off......

    • @mariocisneros911
      @mariocisneros911 2 года назад

      @@themaskedmet3097 the umpire would have kick the pitcher out after Bonds made an uproar. The opposition would have lost that pitcher

    • @ken2win671
      @ken2win671 2 года назад

      The team injected him with so much fluid that how he suppose to know what’s in his body. They set this guy up form the get go

    • @themaskedmet3097
      @themaskedmet3097 2 года назад +4

      @@mariocisneros911 The fact of the Matter is......Bonds is SOOOO much better then any of his piers u can come up with excuses all day.....He completely outplayed the rest of the field, I honestly don't care if he "Wore body armor" everyone had the opportunity to do that, and at that time a bunch of guys did.....You can come up with 1000 excuses why he was so good.......Steroids, Everybody else did them to.....Body Armour, Everybody else could of warn it if they wanted too......The guy still got on base at a freaking 550. Clip......Nobody was even CLOSE to that, With the same exact advantages bonds had

  • @TheInferno0099
    @TheInferno0099 2 года назад +22

    This is exactly how I imagined an argument between Stephen a smith and Russo to go

    • @bigh9884
      @bigh9884 2 года назад +1

      Screaming over each other to get a word in.

  • @bengiey2k
    @bengiey2k 2 года назад +27

    Barry Bonds does not have to be in the HOF to be remembered forever as one of the greatest baseball players with or without PED.

    • @Osideous
      @Osideous 2 года назад +3

      true, but Barry Bonds deservers to be in the HOF. the HOF is fraudulent now.

    • @thunderousooner527
      @thunderousooner527 2 года назад

      @@Osideous very true because of Frank Thomas Mike Piazza pugs Rodriguez Jeff Bagwell and Big Papi were PED users. Those players should never be in the Hall of Fame..

  • @dukedematteo1995
    @dukedematteo1995 2 года назад +84

    This is the question to ask Russo.....Did you have a clearly elucidated "steroids = No Hall" standard in say 1999 or 2000? The answer for every voting sportswriter is No. You can't retroactively apply it 7 years after the fact. Rules, laws and norms typically don't function that way. They should be in.

    • @stephenscott8632
      @stephenscott8632 2 года назад +1

      Great point...

    • @rickbrenner6079
      @rickbrenner6079 2 года назад +1

      Exactly!!!

    • @flame-sky7148
      @flame-sky7148 2 года назад +1

      That’s actually what it’s all about.

    • @JOKICisdGOAT
      @JOKICisdGOAT 2 года назад

      Well some time things go on that the consequences are not known of. Maybe in 99 or 00’ they weren’t aware of the level of use steroids were being taken at and they didn’t fully understand the advantages gained by them. Maybe some professionals and scientists but I can assure you the public didn’t understand the science behind them like they do now because of continued education on the matter. It’s kind of like cigarettes they put into place everyone could do it at first heck there wasn’t even age restrictions in the beginning but as time goes and more data is collected and processed the truth about the substance come to light and so Congress takes steps to right there wrongs. Maybe baseball saw the unfair advantage that a lot of individuals were taking the positions of very promising young talented players who stayed natural. being surpassed not by hardwork or years of dedication to a craft but rather by individuals who decided to put a substance into their body with long term Heath impacts and they couldn’t keep up because they refused to tear there body down. It’s a difficult situation. I love bonds and Sosa! But until we got honest and do a one place standard system across the board for those to get in and base it just off of the level of play on the diamond a player put up I can’t support it because the biggest tragedy the hall of fame has ever committed still hasn’t been righted and Rose deserves to be in.

    • @dukedematteo1995
      @dukedematteo1995 2 года назад

      @@JOKICisdGOAT the case against Rose is much stronger precisely bc of what I'm talking about. It was well known for decades that gambling on baseball would keep you out of the Hall. It was only clear to any player that steroid use (of any kind) would severely jeopardize your HOF chances in about 2004, 2005. Clemens and Bonds had no real idea what they were risking their legacy bc they can't predict the future. They had no idea people would suddenly start really caring about steroids and wanted heads to roll.

  • @mark84g5
    @mark84g5 2 года назад +127

    Barry Bonds was an amazing player with or without the steriods

    • @wilrob53
      @wilrob53 2 года назад +23

      Couldn't agree more...he has the best plate discipline of all time, didn't swing at a pitch until he got one he was looking for. Steroids can't help with that.

    • @elitekingsclash7140
      @elitekingsclash7140 2 года назад +4

      The true GOAT

    • @kloften6792
      @kloften6792 2 года назад +3

      The Caped Crusader - Exactly, Bonds continued to hit home runs after he quit using.

    • @Ruouiji
      @Ruouiji 2 года назад

      But he had never hit more than 49 hrs in a year, before them!

    • @Nighthawk-8050
      @Nighthawk-8050 2 года назад +4

      Agree the reason why Barry bonds is not in the Hall of Fame because of his personality towards the media

  • @InvestBetter.
    @InvestBetter. 2 года назад +40

    You can't tell the history of elite major league baseball players without featuring Bonds and Clemens
    He didn't fail any drug test. He didn't sign any document, excluding him from The Hall
    The writers who vote, and The Hall of Fame aren't doing their job if they don't include the best players
    On their plaques, make the case, both ways, the good and the bad, but let the fan make the final judgement.

    • @lagosfury5142
      @lagosfury5142 2 года назад +1

      Your HEAD does not grow like that
      ....other things on your body can get bigger..but not your head,THAT size in 15 years..it just doesnt happen

  • @jmar5127
    @jmar5127 2 года назад +37

    All Baseball did by not letting Bonds in is make him bigger than every Hall of fame convo, Inductions etc forever

  • @jamesoptics8449
    @jamesoptics8449 2 года назад +24

    Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and Pete Rose all= HALL OF FAME!!!!👍

    • @seanswinton6242
      @seanswinton6242 2 года назад +4

      I definitely think Pete Rose deserves to be there. He never bet against a team he was managing. He was the complete baseball player and he did it without steroids.

    • @brettt141
      @brettt141 2 года назад +3

      @@seanswinton6242 cause you are an idiot and dont know that Pete Rose ACCEPTED the ban from the HOF in agreement that MLB wouldnt investigate his gambling further.

    • @seanswinton6242
      @seanswinton6242 2 года назад

      @@brettt141I appreciate the immaturity of your response. Name calling a total stranger like a prepubesant child is juvenile. If doing such a thing feeds your ego and enhances your manhood, enjoy yourself. You just exposed your character to the world. My opinion on Pete Rose being in the MLB Hall Of Fame was the result of the legitimate and real work he put in with no steroids or PED's like those recently admitted or are under consideration. His stats and video speak for itself. Yes, legally he did accept the ban from baseball. Yes it is legally binding. However times change, people change, and so do opinion. Just because a ban is said to be permanent doesn't mean it has to be eternal. Like laws can be changed, bans can be lifted. I believe you can't tell the story of the Cincinnati Reds "Big Red Machine" without including Pete Rose and same goes for a sincere and true history of MLB. Remember, alcohol was once banned during Prohibition, now you are free to go and buy alcohol if you wish. I feel eventually Pete Rose will be placed in the Hall Of Fame, it will moat likely be posthumously. Especially now that sports betting has become mainstream and big business.

  • @kcrandle33
    @kcrandle33 2 года назад +8

    I am NOT a fan of baseball at all, but back when Sosa, Bonds, McGwire, Griffey, and these guys were doing their thing baseball was fun to watch, and the only reason I watched was to see them hitting home runs chasing that record.

    • @jtremaine23
      @jtremaine23 2 года назад +4

      Yes sir! I haven't watch a game in years. It's boring to me now lol.

  • @MrFooliofocker
    @MrFooliofocker 2 года назад +5

    Russo never agreed with Bonds being in. I remember calling his radio show 14 years ago and he shut me down immediately. But there’s no question Bonds should get in. If not the inconsistencies in the process, look at the numbers alone. And I’m not even talking about the Home Run Record.

  • @altonf62
    @altonf62 2 года назад +13

    I remember MLB was riding on Bond, and Sosa was smashing those HR. Baseball ratings were trash before then and MLB knew it but ignore it because of the rating. But it is what it is. Hypocrisy at it finest.

    • @tonykiriakidis5219
      @tonykiriakidis5219 2 года назад

      It was never bonds and Sosa. It was Mark McGuire and Sosa. Bonds steroid season came after the epic steroid seasons of Big Mac and Sosa

    • @trevmac8362
      @trevmac8362 2 года назад

      Give me a WS game 7 - 10 inning complete game 1-0 shutout *JACK MORRIS* over steroid regular season HR's by Sosa or McGuire any day

    • @mical2great
      @mical2great 2 года назад

      @@trevmac8362 your a HUGE reason why baseball boring...nobody wanna watch a 2 hour game for 1 score and good pitching. Just like nobody wanna see a 3-6 defensive game in football

    • @cortezwatson9212
      @cortezwatson9212 2 года назад

      @@tonykiriakidis5219 bonds was better than them every season

  • @jemelmoore7329
    @jemelmoore7329 2 года назад +9

    Get Molly outta here

    • @Rezzylite
      @Rezzylite 2 года назад +3

      Jalen Rose said the same thing

  • @babygoat_szn2548
    @babygoat_szn2548 2 года назад +3

    Mike Piazza? Ivan Rodriguez? Jeff Bagwell? David Ortiz? HOF? But Bonds can't get it? Clemens can't get in? Arod?

  • @likeitornotwithmichaellane4896
    @likeitornotwithmichaellane4896 2 года назад +5

    “Hold on, Molly”. 😂😂😂😂😂 The best part.

  • @mathewsbusiness1263
    @mathewsbusiness1263 2 года назад +9

    Molly talks too much and her voice is whiny/annoying! 😫

  • @-C.S.R
    @-C.S.R 2 года назад +12

    Who else wants the mad dog
    Stephen A. Smith show?!?

  • @dking2ushawty21
    @dking2ushawty21 2 года назад +7

    Man, I wanna see more of this. Everytime one makes a good point the other one comes back and makes a better point. 🤯🤯

  • @JoseMarquez-wz3fr
    @JoseMarquez-wz3fr 2 года назад +18

    If mike piazza made it in the hall of fame then they should as well… There only gonna let the ones they like in the hall of fame…

    • @Xenlacasa45
      @Xenlacasa45 2 года назад

      Voting: Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.

  • @yungstarz13
    @yungstarz13 2 года назад +8

    Most NY conversation I've ever heard feels like a spike lee movie

    • @SantosPhillipCarlo
      @SantosPhillipCarlo 2 года назад

      Only thing missing: Mike Francesa! Of course, love this as it is too.

  • @lordoz2578
    @lordoz2578 2 года назад +7

    ESPN needs to hire mad dog. He and Sas are perfect for each other

  • @shaund823
    @shaund823 2 года назад +21

    Some players used PEDs in that era, some used cocaine in the 80’s, some used pinetar or other substances to help, some bet on the game and some stole signs with video cameras. Baseball is one of the few sports where some elements of cheating or asterisk necessity are prevalent throughout its history. There is the moral argument for people that did it the right way but without the asterisk they seem to be losing history as for example the hits leader and home run leader are not in the hall of fame. Not to mention at that time due to the standards of the league it is virtually impossible to prove who did or didn’t break the rules. Sure Ortiz gets away with a potential positive test but who knows if that was an isolated incident;( I think of it like drinking and driving; it’s illegal and yet it often occurs and is done by more than are willing to admit it, just because you only got caught once or have yet t be caught does not invalidate that possibility). So I feel it should be treated as we assume the worst and judge from there allowing for asterisk to help explain the history and then allow the development of the game to show how it progressed.

    • @Xenlacasa45
      @Xenlacasa45 2 года назад +1

      Ortiz continued to play for many more years well after the steroid era and produced great numbers. Cano got busted melky Cabrera got busted and suspended Ortiz did not.

    • @shaund823
      @shaund823 2 года назад

      @@Xenlacasa45 and many people viewed Barry Bonds as a hall of famer before any steroid use was alleged. The true thing is no one will ever know if and when on any of the allegations. Extremely unlikely but hypothetically one of the notable steroid scandal players could be telling the truth; I doubt it but that possibility exist because of the lackluster handling of testing by MLB and the fact we are not omniscient. My main point was that because of this; anyone associated with such allegations should be treated equally because they don’t really know who was or wasnt connected to PEDs from that era. I would be willing to bet that there was countless others that never were caught or lacked the natural abilities that some of these people had to be superstars even with PEDs and the fact that juicing doesn’t just equate to HRs automatically.

    • @Xenlacasa45
      @Xenlacasa45 2 года назад

      @@shaund823 Idk man sounds like a hate campaign against Ortiz. Nobody would have said anything if Ortiz got it last year or any other year. He played well after the steroid era at a high level hitting over .300. In a era where cano melky Cabrera etc it was the testing era they got caught Ortiz never tested positive if he was on the juice he would’ve got caught

  • @TheGENeralsoldier
    @TheGENeralsoldier 2 года назад +13

    Stephen a found his new skip lmao

  • @TheCloudyminded
    @TheCloudyminded 2 года назад +7

    I seen Bonds run from one side of the field to the other and jump over the wall to catch a home run ball. It’s was amazing!

  • @angelhd7446
    @angelhd7446 2 года назад +10

    Now yall want to talk MLB? Yall forgot to talk about the 2021 World Series. 😆

  • @zona2009
    @zona2009 2 года назад +7

    First Take talk about baseball??? Love it. Something other than basketball

  • @Acast009
    @Acast009 2 года назад +9

    The issue with PED banning rule is there seems to be one rule for Bonds and others while other people who were caught are not held to the same rule because they cried in a news conference afterwards. There is no go consistent standard which is an example of why baseball sucks now and all never reach the levels it did during that era.

    • @Xenlacasa45
      @Xenlacasa45 2 года назад

      Baseball sucks to you but those that love baseball are in for a treat with Vladamir Guererro jr a natural modern day bonds

  • @carlgarrett4947
    @carlgarrett4947 2 года назад +9

    Those voters only did that to make Barry Bonds look bad. …..but they just made the Hall
    Of Fame look bad , by not having baseballs home run leader not in the Hall Of Fame. ….and let’s not bring up anything about morals before Jackie Robinson played

    • @Xenlacasa45
      @Xenlacasa45 2 года назад

      Bonds had ten years to get in and his votes actually increased drastically to over 60% compared to 30% in just 2013! Bonds simply didn’t get enough votes but more then 60% of the writers voted him in that’s more then half. Too bad you need 75%

  • @terencewright9972
    @terencewright9972 2 года назад +6

    I enjoyed this debate between Screaming A & Mad Dog Russo

  • @JayRicoche
    @JayRicoche 4 месяца назад +1

    The cops came to my house thinking there was an argument, it was these big mouths on my tv.

  • @andrewturner7615
    @andrewturner7615 2 года назад +21

    Did they really just bring a Skip Bayless Look a Like for ratings??!?!! 😂😂, ESPN never fails

  • @Wil_Dasovich
    @Wil_Dasovich 2 года назад +91

    Stephen A speaking facts tho

    • @billysummers1616
      @billysummers1616 2 года назад +2

      They cheated, it gives the players now the green light to use steroids to inflate their numbers and get in the HOF. The only way to stop cheating is for 0 tolerance, the records mean nothing now, it's the equivalent of transgender males shattering girls records because they have testosterone/male genetics. Everyone should use steroids if it's just a fine/suspension.....

  • @sergastarita371
    @sergastarita371 2 года назад +5

    I thought that was skip bruh

  • @mr.pudding51
    @mr.pudding51 2 года назад +2

    Finally, a calm, sensible discussion about Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens.

  • @MrLoddyDoddy
    @MrLoddyDoddy 2 года назад +8

    Barry is the greatest baseball of all time. Keep the records if you want to

    • @reallifelebowski4732
      @reallifelebowski4732 2 года назад

      *ZERO RINGS* and horrendous in the playoffs -- Sub standard fielder --- not even close

  • @pcharl01
    @pcharl01 2 года назад +10

    Did Bonds ever test positive? I thought the only thing that linked him was sealed testimony that leaked about him taking the clear or cream on accident?

    • @malikq2115
      @malikq2115 2 года назад +10

      especially since Ortiz tested positive for steroids smh

    • @vincew4297
      @vincew4297 2 года назад +6

      No he never tested positive, which makes this whole thing even more of travesty

    • @whitenoisejack
      @whitenoisejack 2 года назад

      No, he actually did test positive. Twice. That came out in the federal indictment that was unsealed in 2007. They had a positive test on him from November 2000, the year he jacked 49 HRs.

    • @vincew4297
      @vincew4297 2 года назад +1

      @@whitenoisejack I’ve read differently that it was HGH in his system not steroids, either way there are many players like Mike Piazza, Jeff Bagwell, and obviously big Papi that failed and are still in the HOF

    • @whitenoisejack
      @whitenoisejack 2 года назад +1

      @@vincew4297 Oh you're right, so many of those guys were doping. I'm sure if Barry had been on better terms with the media, he may have gotten in.
      But yeah, according to the federal indictment, it was anabolic steroids. The indictment says this: "During the criminal investigation, evidence was obtained including positive tests for the presence of anabolic steroids and other performance-enhancing substances for Bonds and other professional athletes." So it sounds like it was anabolic and other substances. And then in 2003 he was shown, in court, positive tests for anabolic steroids.
      Great player either way, but yeah, that whole era is tainted with that stuff. I have to admit though, in 1998, I watched every McGwire/Sosa homerun with rapt attention!

  • @Xenlacasa45
    @Xenlacasa45 2 года назад +6

    This is great mad dog knows baseball and can keep up with Stephens energy

  • @cbfbmc
    @cbfbmc 2 года назад +1

    Than u wonder why people are turn off the these sports shows.9 yrs these writers sitting on there high horse not voting for bonds and Clemens yr 10 have a change of heart.

  • @ThePimpn22
    @ThePimpn22 2 года назад +8

    Am I missing something , Barry Bonds was accused but never proven right ?

    • @whitenoisejack
      @whitenoisejack 2 года назад +1

      No, actually the feds had two positive PED tests on him. That came out in the federal indictment in 2007.

    • @MikeB-mo1tk
      @MikeB-mo1tk 2 года назад +2

      He admitted to using "The clear" but said he didn't know it was roids

    • @whitenoisejack
      @whitenoisejack 2 года назад

      @@MikeB-mo1tk That's true. And I just can't see any reason a trainer would knowingly put anabolic steroids, a body-altering substance into a treatment and give it unknowingly to his client unless they had an agreement. So you know where I stand on Bond's knowledge of the whole thing.

    • @whitenoisejack
      @whitenoisejack 2 года назад

      @@MikeB-mo1tk Which again, is pure comedy, right? Hey, I'm an elite athlete making 11 million per year. I'm going to hire you as my personal trainer and you can put WHATEVER you want into my body. You think LeBron or Brady would allow that? Nah, Bonds lied in court about not knowing what it was because they gave him immunity before he testified, so he couldn't be prosecuted for lying. I mean, I get it, professional athletes' contracts are tied to financial incentives. And MLB had banned steroids in 1991, but for some STRANGE reason (ticket sales) weren't testing for them until 2003. Go figure.

  • @nathanabraham7416
    @nathanabraham7416 2 года назад +15

    David Ortiz tested positive for PEDs and still was first ballot. This is blackballing at its finest

    • @alaskaguyd963
      @alaskaguyd963 2 года назад

      No, he didn't.

    • @LandoLove8
      @LandoLove8 2 года назад

      @@alaskaguyd963 yes he did

    • @lloydbonafide3398
      @lloydbonafide3398 2 года назад

      @@LandoLove8 isnt something as simple as Adderall considered PED? Richard Sherman got tested for peds and thats what it was.

    • @LandoLove8
      @LandoLove8 2 года назад +1

      @@lloydbonafide3398 yes but he didn't test for Adderall. He tested for steroids. There's no justification behind letting Ortiz in and not Bonds. Especially since Bonds never actually tested positive se just all know

  • @aljm81
    @aljm81 2 года назад +5

    Mad dog was getting his flow toward the middle and end. I hope he makes more appearances.

  • @tony84.
    @tony84. 2 года назад +2

    5:15 What a great spot! More Mad Dog debating Stephen A. This was fun.

  • @nujabeez6573
    @nujabeez6573 2 года назад +1

    I hear this type of arguments when I go to the barbershop lol

  • @ddsmagic2806
    @ddsmagic2806 2 года назад +7

    They need Mad Dog Russo more

    • @Joseph-lz5er
      @Joseph-lz5er 2 года назад

      Unfortunately they don't talk about baseball on this show.

  • @quincyjohnsonii
    @quincyjohnsonii 2 года назад +3

    Stephen A.: I'm yelling!
    Mad Dog: I'm yelling too!
    Molly: I'm gonna yell stuff, but only while you're both yelling stuff.

  • @mikejenkins1270
    @mikejenkins1270 2 года назад +2

    Why is Mad Dog's mic so much lower than Stephen's?

  • @BeefPapa
    @BeefPapa 2 года назад +1

    I've never understood why McGwire and Sosa saved baseball in 98. I was glued to the 96 and 97 world series. Both great series with drama.

  • @wook1990
    @wook1990 2 года назад +11

    Two of the biggest loudmouths in sports going at it.

  • @ThePatman1980
    @ThePatman1980 2 года назад +7

    Roger Clemens needs to be in HoF for his Oscar-worthy performance as Skidmark in Kingpin (1996), the 2nd greatest bowling 🎳 movie ever behind The Big Lebowski (1998). 🤣

    • @rickbrenner6079
      @rickbrenner6079 2 года назад

      Ha Ha Ha:). Two of my favorite films of all time:). Kingpin (1996) and The Big Lebowski (1997). God are they classic comedies that can be watched multiple times without getting bored. I thought there was no way for the Coen Brothers to top themselves after Fargo (1996), but it only took them one more year to do so with Lebowski:) The 90s was such a great decade for films in general:)

  • @lowh9330
    @lowh9330 2 года назад

    I'm speechless 😶, I have been waiting on this subject and I still do not know what to say about it, this is CRAZY

  • @Giustified
    @Giustified 2 года назад +2

    I'm in favor on having a mix of past HOF inductees and fans the right to vote who goes to Cooperstown. The writers too can have a vote (along with their media peers) on what media personal get voted in right next to Bud Abbot and Lou Costello.

  • @lolakusoro5336
    @lolakusoro5336 2 года назад +4

    All the damm yelling in the morning 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @EightFrancs
    @EightFrancs 2 года назад +2

    The baseball HOF is a mockery without Barry Bonds in it.

  • @joynertodman9387
    @joynertodman9387 2 года назад +3

    Astros still have their rings and trophy yet Bonds doesn’t get elected into the hall of fame 🤣 MLB is a joke

  • @bigp74gd
    @bigp74gd 2 года назад +3

    Not even a baseball guy but this was an all-time great segment.

  • @jwalkhooligan3597
    @jwalkhooligan3597 2 года назад +4

    People like Ty Cobb are in the Hall let them in

  • @flame-sky7148
    @flame-sky7148 2 года назад

    This is good stuff, heated 🔥

  • @ThePatman1980
    @ThePatman1980 2 года назад +3

    I never liked Barry Bonds' personality either like many other people who hated him, but man, he could swing a bat better than any hitter I've ever seen. What a sham. My Angels beat them in 2002 but we had to keep walking him.

    • @vincew4297
      @vincew4297 2 года назад

      And when you guys didn’t walk him he crushed some of the furthest home runs I’ve ever seen in my life. Barry hit a homerun in that series in 9th inning with 2 outs and to this day I’m not even sure if that ball has ever hit the ground. One of the guys from the Angels dugout you could read his lips saying “that’s the furthest ball I’ve ever seen hit.”

  • @smashboogietheilladelic5740
    @smashboogietheilladelic5740 2 года назад +3

    Rose , Bonds and Clemens need to be In there can’t forget my man Lou Whitaker too!

  • @831farmeros2
    @831farmeros2 2 года назад +3

    Bonds and Clemens belong in the ⚾️ HOF!!!! So does many more superstars from the 80s and 90s!!!

  • @EE-bg1de
    @EE-bg1de 2 года назад +1

    I found myself saying "Shut up Molly".

  • @LancerJak
    @LancerJak 2 года назад

    LOUD NOISES!

  • @CommonNotCommon24-7
    @CommonNotCommon24-7 2 года назад +3

    This was loud and funny 😂😂😂

  • @jondavis9812
    @jondavis9812 2 года назад +8

    If you want to say if a player used steroids they're ineligeble, I can respect the opinion but don't necesarily agree with it. But HOW ON EARTH can you have others (ortiz this year among many others) that have officially tested positive
    in the hall. Just makes zero sense

    • @brendangilmartin4002
      @brendangilmartin4002 2 года назад

      Ortiz never used steroids. But ok.

    • @alaskaguyd963
      @alaskaguyd963 2 года назад +1

      Ortiz never tested positive for steroids.

    • @zeno4649
      @zeno4649 2 года назад +1

      @@alaskaguyd963 yes he did... Google

    • @zeno4649
      @zeno4649 2 года назад

      @@brendangilmartin4002 Google is your best friend smh 🤦🏾‍♂️

    • @alaskaguyd963
      @alaskaguyd963 2 года назад +1

      @@zeno4649 He didn't. Google

  • @lifescope
    @lifescope 2 года назад +2

    These two are amazing together

  • @raajbundles
    @raajbundles 2 года назад +2

    There Is Plenty Of Racist In The Baseball Hall Of Fame I Don’t Hear Anyone Saying Anything About That, Bonds Should Be In Period, They Always Tryna Hold A Brother Down

  • @lacedricgipson4295
    @lacedricgipson4295 2 года назад +3

    First take just found their new analyst to replace Max. Also like seeing Stephen A talk about baseball for once

  • @robertmcphaul1807
    @robertmcphaul1807 2 года назад +5

    I agree all of them should go in for the main reason because MLB knew what was going on. They did so much dirt, and no one is pointing the finger towards them. Messing with the baseball and etc. Sad that it's all about the writers and those that basically never played the game.

  • @ceez8731
    @ceez8731 2 года назад +1

    These guys have chemistry. This is awesome!

  • @lakersblood
    @lakersblood 2 года назад +1

    Thought I saw Skip fir a quick second 😂

  • @inlivingcolor...abroad6099
    @inlivingcolor...abroad6099 2 года назад +7

    Chris ‘Mad Dog’ Russo is a LEGEND in NY sports radio.
    They need to get Mike Francesa on there next 😂😂😂

    • @Ruouiji
      @Ruouiji 2 года назад

      That's why I never heard of him lol!

  • @dejones803
    @dejones803 2 года назад +7

    Bonds had 2 HOF careers, before and after the roids

    • @tonykiriakidis5219
      @tonykiriakidis5219 2 года назад

      And what about Clemons?? You can’t defend bonds and avoid Clemons

    • @MikeB-mo1tk
      @MikeB-mo1tk 2 года назад

      How do you know when Bonds started juicing?

  • @juliangonzalez4726
    @juliangonzalez4726 2 года назад +1

    Mad Dog & Stephen A… I miss them from the Sirius XM radio days! This could be the new Skip and Stephen A on First Take! I would love it! They both rant and yell and I’m here for it 👏🏽

  • @alexlee6993
    @alexlee6993 2 года назад +1

    Thought that was Skip Bayless for a sec ;D

  • @NinersGiantsNation
    @NinersGiantsNation 2 года назад +5

    I thought that was skip Bayless for a second!

    • @hehel5163
      @hehel5163 2 года назад +1

      Bro me too lol

  • @wesapollo8144
    @wesapollo8144 2 года назад +5

    Gotta love Mad Dog. Need more!!

  • @BrunoJaws
    @BrunoJaws 2 года назад +1

    I remember working security at Padre Stadium back in the days and seeing players like Sammy Sosa Jeff Bagwell Ken Camanetti Kevin Brown Mark McGwire Greg Vaughn Barry Bonds Jason Giambi. They were more jacked and ripped than NFL players. Im speaking for 80 percent of the players i saw up close looked like body builders it was the steroid era. Barry Bonds was a great player hall of famer before the juice but the old writers have there favorites.

  • @jfromthed6030
    @jfromthed6030 2 года назад +1

    It Would be nice to wake up every morning to watch mad dog and Stephen A on first take 💯😭

  • @ThePatman1980
    @ThePatman1980 2 года назад +11

    The Kid, Ken Griffey Jr., is still my all-time favorite baseball player. A lefty but with the perfect swing. No hitch. The best Angel I've ever seen was Vladimir Guerrero. I didn't watch when we got Mike Trout.

    • @Ruouiji
      @Ruouiji 2 года назад +3

      Had Ken Griffey Jr. not gotten hurt so often, he would have easily bashed over 800 hrs! He would be the true HR King!

    • @jtremaine23
      @jtremaine23 2 года назад +4

      @@Ruouiji But we could also say, had Bonds not been walked so much (& a lot intentionally), he would have still had more than Griffey and remained the HR King. Even in his last year in the league & at age 43, he lead in walks.

    • @marcomayorga3482
      @marcomayorga3482 2 года назад +1

      @@jtremaine23 true

    • @trevmac8362
      @trevmac8362 2 года назад

      Vladimir Guerrero was boss