Mate, just reading your comments / replies to a few folks down here and I wish to point out a few things perhaps you'd find both interesting and helpful. first one is biomechanics. If you have long torso and short legs as Ed Coan (as explains he himself in his instructional video - how to sumo) you'd see why it is such an advantageous lift for bodies built like that. This is to point out that while your personal experience and expertise are totally valid, they simply might not apply to many, many others. Second thing is, it is not about whether your style is exactly same as Ed Coan's or not, we/you are essentially talking about the biomechnics of a sumo lift that places feet NARROWER than it is normally done and its associated benefits/ drawbacks. ( plus, don't be angry, but what you show here is almost exactly of the same width Ed uses. ). From my personal experience, just like how a number of lifters down below have commented, I find this movement very comfortable which places least stress on my lower back (v.s doing conventional) and hip joints ( v.s sumo). This is how my body naturally chooses to do when picking up heavy objects from the floor where I am at my most comfortable, stable and powerful. Amusingly, you also gotta think that the nature of any kind of a compromise is , well, precisely a compromise - You just can't kill off both advantages while preserving none. Yes it's slower off the ground than a conventional but hey boy is it faster than a wide sumo! End of the day, It's persepective and far more importantly your limb to torso ratio (especially the length of your furmur as it dictates the degree of your knee and therefore lower back bend). Hope you find it helpful. Keep up the good work. p.s. check out Angelo Fortino. Probably the best deadlifter atm. And yes, he uses a beautiful, mechanically sound narrow sumo.
I think you have valid points. For myself however I felt the most comfortable in this ed coan stance sumo. Also, for me personally, this feels like the most natural way for me to pick things off the floor in general
Thanks for watching. I can appreciate that it feels "natural" but that's not always the most advantageous way to get the job done. And people keeping pointing to Ed Coan but his sumo stance isn't really as narrow as people make it out to be.
People (@c.w.p2295 @samuelclemons508) keep referencing lifters like Coan and SSJ Bob but those dudes still stand pretty wide relatively speaking. It's the Joel Seedmans of the world recommending a "squat stance deadlift" that makes no sense.
@@TonyBonvechio I get it, I'm in a weird spot where Im def not built for Sumo, conventional has always felt better but something still wrong about it. This is something I haven't tried, so who knows? I squat more then my deadlift, my squat is on point so maybe this is a thing?
I agree. I tried semi sumo because there's more glute involved hip extension than regular sumo which works the quads more with knee extension demands. Overall, semi sumo has a longer ROM and can tax your lower back more which are 2 negatives.
I agree about the knee extension demands (greater in sumo than conventional), but research seems to indicate that hip extension demands (glutes and hamstrings) are not significantly different in any deadlift stance. A common theory is that you feel your glutes more in sumo because you're in near-end range hip external rotation and abduction. But yeah, semi-sumo kinda sucks.
Mate, just reading your comments / replies to a few folks down here and I wish to point out a few things perhaps you'd find both interesting and helpful. first one is biomechanics. If you have long torso and short legs as Ed Coan (as explains he himself in his instructional video - how to sumo) you'd see why it is such an advantageous lift for bodies built like that. This is to point out that while your personal experience and expertise are totally valid, they simply might not apply to many, many others. Second thing is, it is not about whether your style is exactly same as Ed Coan's or not, we/you are essentially talking about the biomechnics of a sumo lift that places feet NARROWER than it is normally done and its associated benefits/ drawbacks. ( plus, don't be angry, but what you show here is almost exactly of the same width Ed uses. ). From my personal experience, just like how a number of lifters down below have commented, I find this movement very comfortable which places least stress on my lower back (v.s doing conventional) and hip joints ( v.s sumo). This is how my body naturally chooses to do when picking up heavy objects from the floor where I am at my most comfortable, stable and powerful. Amusingly, you also gotta think that the nature of any kind of a compromise is , well, precisely a compromise - You just can't kill off both advantages while preserving none. Yes it's slower off the ground than a conventional but hey boy is it faster than a wide sumo! End of the day, It's persepective and far more importantly your limb to torso ratio (especially the length of your furmur as it dictates the degree of your knee and therefore lower back bend). Hope you find it helpful. Keep up the good work.
p.s. check out Angelo Fortino. Probably the best deadlifter atm. And yes, he uses a beautiful, mechanically sound narrow sumo.
It's called a "narrow stance sumo". Been used for years. Didn't seem to hurt Ed Coan .
I'm talking narrower than what Ed used. When you look at Ed's stance it's still well outside his hips.
I think you have valid points. For myself however I felt the most comfortable in this ed coan stance sumo. Also, for me personally, this feels like the most natural way for me to pick things off the floor in general
Thanks for watching. I can appreciate that it feels "natural" but that's not always the most advantageous way to get the job done. And people keeping pointing to Ed Coan but his sumo stance isn't really as narrow as people make it out to be.
Whats the best stance to work around facet syndrome?
That's a question better aimed at a physical therapist, but from my understanding, whatever stance let's you keep your spinal neutral most reliably.
I know there are exceptions like SSJ Bob, but you have to give it a shot to see if you're one of those exceptions.
People (@c.w.p2295 @samuelclemons508) keep referencing lifters like Coan and SSJ Bob but those dudes still stand pretty wide relatively speaking. It's the Joel Seedmans of the world recommending a "squat stance deadlift" that makes no sense.
@@TonyBonvechio I get it, I'm in a weird spot where Im def not built for Sumo, conventional has always felt better but something still wrong about it. This is something I haven't tried, so who knows?
I squat more then my deadlift, my squat is on point so maybe this is a thing?
Angelo Fortino
I agree. I tried semi sumo because there's more glute involved hip extension than regular sumo which works the quads more with knee extension demands. Overall, semi sumo has a longer ROM and can tax your lower back more which are 2 negatives.
I agree about the knee extension demands (greater in sumo than conventional), but research seems to indicate that hip extension demands (glutes and hamstrings) are not significantly different in any deadlift stance. A common theory is that you feel your glutes more in sumo because you're in near-end range hip external rotation and abduction. But yeah, semi-sumo kinda sucks.