i’ve been a professional climber for 45 years now and i have a hard time trusting some equipment and i have used standard prusik, and i just started using a hedden and a klemheist which works equal for me with hollow block loops , everything about a hedden works so much better than a standard prusik, they load fast and unload super easy , i wish i would have done it years ago lol , i would have saved years of my life lol
@DavidWilliams-wr4wb I appreciate your experience. You are probably using larger diameters which are more forgiving. I like Hedden as a backup but the Longhorn Agile hitch is unbeatable for a primary.
@ actually i use 9.8 sterling lifelines and 6.8 mm hollow block 2 aramid , they bite in so good on a hedden or a klemheist, i was telling a guy at work when he didn’t want to change until i showed him how much faster and just all around structurally better because it’s just as strong and easy to unload and just an fyi it’s nearly impossible to tell the difference with a klemheist that’s upside down and backwards or a hedden , i don’t know who went first? hedden or klemheist but they are great hitches , thanks for your sharing with the world!
I’m very content with the 5-2-3 - bridge mode DSRT, soft bridge with foot loops and compact with rings for pole hitch climbing, all pre - tied, six hitches on my rope. Will add carbariners to the bridge mode hitches when needed. I can climb any tree
@@jrbtc you know it, one fall and it’s over… safety first… and why I love the versatility of a universal type jrb system. I often will throw on a redundant tether at hunting height and if I get in a jam climbing can always switch to the other end of my rope. But the compact 5-2-3 is so reliable. My only problem has been in setting the maverick with my pole sometimes the hitch gets shook out of shape and then jams when I set it, not realizing the locking loop has gotten out of place, but I can always retrieve the rope with my pole. My recent solution has been to use the jrb end loop to secure the rope end so that it stays in place. Which prevents the hitch from losing its geometry. I use about 2-3 foot of rope past the hitch and tie a modified highwayman’s hitch with the end loop around the main climbing rope, that keeps the maverick from swishing around as I work it up the tree with the pole, otherwise the rope end swings around rearranging the lock loop. Thanks to you I have greatly advanced my climbing technique…MERRY CHRISTMAS!
Hey Joe, happy holidays. Yes, i suppose we are all getting the same questions and seeing the same posts right now. I put out my first Hedden video 11months ago recommending it as a backup. But that message got lost in the vid because i put a lot of other info in it too. Before making a dedicated one on backup, i wanted to run a strength test and that required a long drive out to RnA. I have a long list of videos to do in the future too. There's always going to be some overlap. Cheers
If your right hand is the brake hand feeding rope into the safeguard, and your left hand is pulling the lever, how will the hedden knot be tended on the way down?
I am able to tend the Hedden down with the same hand operating the lever. But this video is not specific to any particular device. The details on how we operate it may vary between different devices.
@jrbtc great content John. This question posted here is why so many using the mad rock back things up below the device. A demo where you show tending the hitch would be very eye opening to many.
I know the Madrock Safeguard instructions specifically say “do not tie a knot on the braking side of the rope. It may cause the cause the Safeguard to break.”
@alancoutts4990 no. See this page for more info. In a backup situation, my priority is readiness to hold. If we ever found ourselves on it, we just need a plan for getting our weight off of it. See this page and the referenced self rescue video for more information. jrbtreeclimbing.com/content/friction-hitches/
Yes, a hollow block Prusik loop can be used to tie any of the friction hitches which are created with a loop, including the Hedden. Be sure you have an appropriate diameter and that you test it for hold.
Love your videos. Question if you don’t mind: What size (diameter) hitch rope would you use if your static line is 11mm, and what length and how many loops would you recommend?
Thank you for your comment sincerely. I have diameter recommendations on the CORD page, link below. 8mm cord on 11mm rope is generally a good combination. Now, i am not sure exactly what you're creating. A Hedden? A hedden hand Ascender with the Bull hitch? Or something else? jrbtreeclimbing.com/content/cord/
thanks for the quick reply. Yes, I’m going to use it to create a Hedden as a backup to my mechanical. I’m also studying your system and will incorporate some of it into my climbing method. Up til now I have been using a Knut hitch as a backup, but I don’t like the way it bunches up against my mechanical ascender. Thanks again for the information, and the link.
@samfreeman1178 i just tied a Hedden for you... for reference, if ya start with 6ft of 8mm cord, and ya tie it into a loop with a Hunter's Bend with nice tails, you can form a 3 wrap Hedden on 11.4mm rope and you'll have about a one foot loop which will put some breathing room between your device and the cinching part of the Hedden. I have a video on Hunter's Bend. I hope it makes sense. I always buy more cord than i need, then tie what i want to tie, get the size right and make your CUT last. Good luck
@jrbtc that's exactly what I was trying to do. I'm still new at thir saddle hunting thing, and I have been using a tether and climbing with sticks. I like to hold onto the line as I pull myself up, and the other day I noticed that if I slipped and my hand was on the rope, my first instinct was to grab the rope. In doing that I would be pulling downwards on my backup Hitch, therefore creating a free fall situation, so to speak. I decided that having a long enough Hitch that my hand can be below the Hitch, rather than above would be a smart move. That got me to looking at the hidden. I hope this makes sense. Once again, thanks for your help.
@samfreeman1178 yes, our instinct is to hold on, but if we hold onto the wrong thing, like a Blake's hitch for example, it has the opposite effect. It's called a suislide by some. A properly dressed Hedden is very reliable. If you're on Facebook, you can ask questions in the JRB Tree Climbing Facebook group.
I have a couple of extra sewn loops I'm going to give to a couple friends using mechanical devices and show them the set up. There is no reason not to use a back up.
@urbanarcher3535 If you turned it upside down an redressed it. Klemheist isn't as reliable though. Hedden bites harder. Read this. www.animatedknots.com/klemheist-knot
i’ve been a professional climber for 45 years now and i have a hard time trusting some equipment and i have used standard prusik, and i just started using a hedden and a klemheist which works equal for me with hollow block loops , everything about a hedden works so much better than a standard prusik, they load fast and unload super easy , i wish i would have done it years ago lol , i would have saved years of my life lol
@DavidWilliams-wr4wb I appreciate your experience. You are probably using larger diameters which are more forgiving. I like Hedden as a backup but the Longhorn Agile hitch is unbeatable for a primary.
@ actually i use 9.8 sterling lifelines and 6.8 mm hollow block 2 aramid , they bite in so good on a hedden or a klemheist, i was telling a guy at work when he didn’t want to change until i showed him how much faster and just all around structurally better because it’s just as strong and easy to unload and just an fyi it’s nearly impossible to tell the difference with a klemheist that’s upside down and backwards or a hedden , i don’t know who went first? hedden or klemheist but they are great hitches , thanks for your sharing with the world!
@DavidWilliams-wr4wb let me know what you think of this.
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Love your info, John. Great work!! Happy Holidays 👍
I’m very content with the 5-2-3 - bridge mode DSRT, soft bridge with foot loops and compact with rings for pole hitch climbing, all pre - tied, six hitches on my rope. Will add carbariners to the bridge mode hitches when needed. I can climb any tree
Agreed, but we still have a responsibility to share what we know about safety with our friends who think they are safe following the crowd.
@@jrbtc you know it, one fall and it’s over… safety first… and why I love the versatility of a universal type jrb system. I often will throw on a redundant tether at hunting height and if I get in a jam climbing can always switch to the other end of my rope. But the compact 5-2-3 is so reliable. My only problem has been in setting the maverick with my pole sometimes the hitch gets shook out of shape and then jams when I set it, not realizing the locking loop has gotten out of place, but I can always retrieve the rope with my pole. My recent solution has been to use the jrb end loop to secure the rope end so that it stays in place. Which prevents the hitch from losing its geometry. I use about 2-3 foot of rope past the hitch and tie a modified highwayman’s hitch with the end loop around the main climbing rope, that keeps the maverick from swishing around as I work it up the tree with the pole, otherwise the rope end swings around rearranging the lock loop. Thanks to you I have greatly advanced my climbing technique…MERRY CHRISTMAS!
The innuendo is strong with this one lol
Scott from New York Saddle Hunter just put out same kind of video 2 weeks ago
Hey Joe, happy holidays. Yes, i suppose we are all getting the same questions and seeing the same posts right now. I put out my first Hedden video 11months ago recommending it as a backup. But that message got lost in the vid because i put a lot of other info in it too. Before making a dedicated one on backup, i wanted to run a strength test and that required a long drive out to RnA. I have a long list of videos to do in the future too. There's always going to be some overlap. Cheers
If your right hand is the brake hand feeding rope into the safeguard, and your left hand is pulling the lever, how will the hedden knot be tended on the way down?
I am able to tend the Hedden down with the same hand operating the lever. But this video is not specific to any particular device. The details on how we operate it may vary between different devices.
@jrbtc great content John. This question posted here is why so many using the mad rock back things up below the device. A demo where you show tending the hitch would be very eye opening to many.
I know the Madrock Safeguard instructions specifically say “do not tie a knot on the braking side of the rope. It may cause the cause the Safeguard to break.”
@@rangerdog316 yeah you’re right. My question was assuming the knot was above the safeguard
John, will more wraps make it easier to brake?
@alancoutts4990 no. See this page for more info. In a backup situation, my priority is readiness to hold. If we ever found ourselves on it, we just need a plan for getting our weight off of it. See this page and the referenced self rescue video for more information.
jrbtreeclimbing.com/content/friction-hitches/
Could you use a hollow block for this?
Yes, a hollow block Prusik loop can be used to tie any of the friction hitches which are created with a loop, including the Hedden. Be sure you have an appropriate diameter and that you test it for hold.
Love your videos. Question if you don’t mind: What size (diameter) hitch rope would you use if your static line is 11mm, and what length and how many loops would you recommend?
Thank you for your comment sincerely. I have diameter recommendations on the CORD page, link below. 8mm cord on 11mm rope is generally a good combination. Now, i am not sure exactly what you're creating. A Hedden? A hedden hand Ascender with the Bull hitch? Or something else?
jrbtreeclimbing.com/content/cord/
thanks for the quick reply. Yes, I’m going to use it to create a Hedden as a backup to my mechanical. I’m also studying your system and will incorporate some of it into my climbing method. Up til now I have been using a Knut hitch as a backup, but I don’t like the way it bunches up against my mechanical ascender. Thanks again for the information, and the link.
@samfreeman1178 i just tied a Hedden for you... for reference, if ya start with 6ft of 8mm cord, and ya tie it into a loop with a Hunter's Bend with nice tails, you can form a 3 wrap Hedden on 11.4mm rope and you'll have about a one foot loop which will put some breathing room between your device and the cinching part of the Hedden. I have a video on Hunter's Bend. I hope it makes sense. I always buy more cord than i need, then tie what i want to tie, get the size right and make your CUT last. Good luck
@jrbtc that's exactly what I was trying to do. I'm still new at thir saddle hunting thing, and I have been using a tether and climbing with sticks. I like to hold onto the line as I pull myself up, and the other day I noticed that if I slipped and my hand was on the rope, my first instinct was to grab the rope. In doing that I would be pulling downwards on my backup Hitch, therefore creating a free fall situation, so to speak. I decided that having a long enough Hitch that my hand can be below the Hitch, rather than above would be a smart move. That got me to looking at the hidden. I hope this makes sense. Once again, thanks for your help.
@samfreeman1178 yes, our instinct is to hold on, but if we hold onto the wrong thing, like a Blake's hitch for example, it has the opposite effect. It's called a suislide by some. A properly dressed Hedden is very reliable. If you're on Facebook, you can ask questions in the JRB Tree Climbing Facebook group.
I have a couple of extra sewn loops I'm going to give to a couple friends using mechanical devices and show them the set up. There is no reason not to use a back up.
If the hedden breaks the rope, wouldn't you want something else?
@@davidmurphy-transformative376 that was a strength test. It's not possible for us to generate those kinds of forces if we are managing slack.
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Isn’t that also known as the Klemhiest?
@urbanarcher3535 If you turned it upside down an redressed it. Klemheist isn't as reliable though. Hedden bites harder. Read this.
www.animatedknots.com/klemheist-knot
Same as auto block
@michaelhoskins7276 they are both tied with a Prusik loop, but are very different in performance and size. Hedden bites hard.