WELCOME BACK, Brother!!! I can't wait for your tutorial because I could use help with Gen 3. I am ESPECIALLY stuck with the I/O for my 500 series rack, because my UAD X8p had NO problem pushing audio through it, but i'm having issues registering a signal from the Orion 32+
Hi. The buffer size limit for the Antelope Orion 32+ Gen 4 depends on the configuration of its driver bundle. When using the firmware option supporting 128 channels via Thunderbolt, the maximum buffer size is 512 samples. Alternatively, in the configuration for 64 channels, the maximum buffer size increases to 1024 samples.
Very good reviews and very Honest :) I have been working with the Orion studio for over a year and its been very stable and reliable... Not sure i would be looking at upgrading until these issues are ironed out with both the Orion 32 gen 4 nd the control surface which you also reviewed.
@@fadygergis I have a 9.1.6 Atmos studio using Focal st range and you can hear the difference with the Antelope very clearly :) I was always on at them two years ago to make a control interface for Atmos and also update the software in their currant range to allow Atmos :) But think they won't do this as they want to sell the new units :(
@user-jz1yr9oj9z agreed. They are pushing the Gen4 for Atmos. But also they updated the converters on the Gen 4 to match the galaxy converters which is their high end line.
Hi Fady, just to clarify you can go lower than 512 buffer size, just not 1024? What is the lowest buffer setting at 48kHz? This video came at the perfect time as Im looking to expand to a hybrid workflow and analog summing. I was looking at getting an apollo x16 to pair with my x8p, but the cost for I/O is way too much. To get similar I/O with UAD you would need to spend about $8k on 2 x16, and I dont really use UAD plugins or the dsp Btw, that speaker tuning bult-in is genius, not sure if antelope is the first to do it but I can see everyone else copying that feature
Yes correct you can go lower but not higher. My sources said that they are working on a firmware upgrade that would eventually allow it to go to 1024 by decreasing the I/O but I don’t believe it till I see it 🤷♂️
@@fadygergis Gotcha, would love to see a breakdown of the Monitor tuning. I asked antelope and they said it processes the signals in realtime so you can track with it on, unlike a trinnov where it adds a decent amount of latency. I'm very interested in this since it's just and eq and can be used to account for 3db or so peaks/nulls in your room that you cant seem to fix with acoustic treatment
Thanks, really useful video. I've just bought the Gen 4 - I don't think I will have the same problem as you as I tend to record more traditionally (used to 24 tracks) so, I think the largest thing I've ever done is like 40 tracks plus inserts. I am running everything through an analogue desk, hence wanting the ins and outs that the Gen 4 provides. Hopefully all will be fine!
Great review! Just wanted to change my gen2 to gen4. Thinking about AFX. Its strange that its not working in gen4. So,you said that u solve this problem with realtime plugins. How did u do that?)
Hi! I have had serious Mac driver problems with Tb2 connection in 2017-18 with my Discrete8 (although I found its sound superior to anything I heard before), so I had to return it to seller. I mean, sometimes Launcher didn’t launch, sometimes I realized that Afx plugins stuck and even if I changed parameters, it didn’t follow it soundwise. Have you experienced any similar glitches?
Thanks for your review! I'm totally sold on the Orion Gen 4 converters - the quality is top-notch! I was super pumped to invest in it. However, I'm reading too much concerns about Antelope's quality control and their ability to solve issues (i.e the dedicated FB user group). It's a dealbreaker for me. I'm at a crossroads where I might have to sacrifice I/O and converter quality for more stability and updated sustainability. I don't want to spend most of my days fixing issues; vs focusing on recording and mixing music...
I personally had zero issues with the unit or their customer support. Matter fact their customer support you can actually get a person to talk to over the phone via UA which is only emails.
I also have concerns about Antelopes sloppy software approach. I bought a Pure2 a year ago and it's quality is amazing. However the Mac OS version of the associated software has mistakes on it and it's clear from my emails with Antelope they have no intention of fixing it. Interesting too that the Sound On Sound review of the Orion 32 Gen3 (SOS September 2019) criticises the associated software. So much as I would love an Orion 32, I just can't risk it.
Thank God someone is talking about this. Have been thinking about this since it came out. Question if you would be so kind to help: was it stable on Mac? I know you decided to change it because of the ins/outs problems with thunderbolt… hope they solve it fast! Have heard mixed results on it stability. Thank you for the video btw! Great stuff. Simon 🎹
Hi, Mr. Fady Gergis , i have questions Sir about a good windows pc with CPU voor audio productions, what do you need for stable working, also the I/O connections in many DAW not stable ( Cubase crasht and all the expensive plugins) in pro version. i will new startup with Ableton 12 suite. Sir engineer.
thank you fir this video, I was about buying one unit but as a windows user this is a no no! only 32 in and 32 out for what the unit is capable of and the 512 buffer maximum? Well I guess this is for MAC users, and I will be stuck with windows until the end of 2025. Thanks for the info, you save me a headache!
Thank you! I'm a home studio musician on 32 Gen 1 and lots of outboard gear, so have been imagining I would eventually grab a Gen 3 for more analog I/O and better converters. Now I have the chance to grab a Gen 1 Crane Song Avocet at a fantastic price which for me is mostly about its D/A conversion. But this Gen 4 would be a significant converter improvement for me plus needed I/O. Do you have an opinion about how this Gen 4 converters might compare to the Avocet?
The Gen 4 converters are absolutely amazing. They are the same converters they have in their galaxy unit. I am actually selling my Gen 4 as I upgraded to the galaxy.
The Galaxy has extra ( Dante / HDX / AFX ) those are the main differences if those matter to you. Also you can use my code and get extra 10% off of their website.
Correct with the Gen 4 to unlock that feature you have to buy the license from their website unless you buy MRC and it will come with a license automatically.
@@fadygergis Thank you for the great review here, Fady. Appreciate what you do. Was literally about to switch to gen4 from an older Apollo setup next week, but not sure I can live with that approach from Antelope. Really grateful for your review! Thanks again!
THANKS so much for clarifying the completely horrible and unusable fact that you can only work in max. 512 buffer size in your DAW😞 - major deal breaker!!
My only gripe was the physical displays on it are pure false advertising. Horrid, bland, backlight bs, and nothing like the visual advertisements. Everything else is T&A!! Meaning I love it for their support and hw and drivers! I sent the UA X8P back to UA and it’s because their email support AI are equally horrible. Antelope picks up the phone and even offer dedicated routing support.
I wanted to love this Gen 4 but the Customer Service....SUCKED and I sent it ALL Back ....Converters....32 in 32 out...GREAT...and I bought the Monitor Immersive BUT ...SOFTWARE ISSUES from HADES....went to Focusrite HAPPY NOW
My only gripe was the physical displays on it are pure false advertising. Horrid, bland, backlight bs, and nothing like the visual advertisements. Everything else is T&A!! Meaning I love it for their support and hw and drivers! I sent the UAD X8P and it’s because their email support AI are equally horrible. Antelope picks up the phone and even offer dedicated routing support.
Hi! I have had serious Mac driver problems with Tb2 connection in 2017-18 with my Discrete8 (although I found its sound superior to anything I heard before), so I had to return it to seller. I mean, sometimes Launcher didn’t launch, sometimes I realized that Afx plugins stuck and even if I changed parameters, it didn’t follow it soundwise. Have you experienced any similar glitches?
WELCOME BACK, Brother!!!
I can't wait for your tutorial because I could use help with Gen 3. I am ESPECIALLY stuck with the I/O for my 500 series rack, because my UAD X8p had NO problem pushing audio through it, but i'm having issues registering a signal from the Orion 32+
shoot me an email and I will help you. I am currently using Gen 3.
Fady@heartbeatproductions.org
I am finishing up a new routing video for the Gen 3
@@fadygergis AWESOME!!!
Hi. The buffer size limit for the Antelope Orion 32+ Gen 4 depends on the configuration of its driver bundle. When using the firmware option supporting 128 channels via Thunderbolt, the maximum buffer size is 512 samples. Alternatively, in the configuration for 64 channels, the maximum buffer size increases to 1024 samples.
Very good reviews and very Honest :) I have been working with the Orion studio for over a year and its been very stable and reliable... Not sure i would be looking at upgrading until these issues are ironed out with both the Orion 32 gen 4 nd the control surface which you also reviewed.
Thank you. Glad this was helpful
@@fadygergis I have a 9.1.6 Atmos studio using Focal st range and you can hear the difference with the Antelope very clearly :) I was always on at them two years ago to make a control interface for Atmos and also update the software in their currant range to allow Atmos :) But think they won't do this as they want to sell the new units :(
@user-jz1yr9oj9z agreed. They are pushing the Gen4 for Atmos. But also they updated the converters on the Gen 4 to match the galaxy converters which is their high end line.
I had a good deal where they offered me the mrc with it, when I bought the gen 4.
thats awesome!
great vid, thanks.....i am in the process of switching from Apollo to a different interface and Antelope is at the top of the list
cheers
Glad this was helpful
Hi Fady, just to clarify you can go lower than 512 buffer size, just not 1024? What is the lowest buffer setting at 48kHz? This video came at the perfect time as Im looking to expand to a hybrid workflow and analog summing. I was looking at getting an apollo x16 to pair with my x8p, but the cost for I/O is way too much. To get similar I/O with UAD you would need to spend about $8k on 2 x16, and I dont really use UAD plugins or the dsp
Btw, that speaker tuning bult-in is genius, not sure if antelope is the first to do it but I can see everyone else copying that feature
Yes correct you can go lower but not higher.
My sources said that they are working on a firmware upgrade that would eventually allow it to go to 1024 by decreasing the I/O but I don’t believe it till I see it 🤷♂️
@@fadygergis Gotcha, would love to see a breakdown of the Monitor tuning. I asked antelope and they said it processes the signals in realtime so you can track with it on, unlike a trinnov where it adds a decent amount of latency. I'm very interested in this since it's just and eq and can be used to account for 3db or so peaks/nulls in your room that you cant seem to fix with acoustic treatment
@@camshash I just finished that video and about to launch it the next couple days. It will have info about what you just asked for.
Thanks, really useful video. I've just bought the Gen 4 - I don't think I will have the same problem as you as I tend to record more traditionally (used to 24 tracks) so, I think the largest thing I've ever done is like 40 tracks plus inserts. I am running everything through an analogue desk, hence wanting the ins and outs that the Gen 4 provides. Hopefully all will be fine!
You are welcome.
Great review! Just wanted to change my gen2 to gen4. Thinking about AFX. Its strange that its not working in gen4. So,you said that u solve this problem with realtime plugins. How did u do that?)
Is there a way to conect the db25 outputs to a a77h? And how do i choose if is left or right?
Such a helpful and clear vid, thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Hi! I have had serious Mac driver problems with Tb2 connection in 2017-18 with my Discrete8 (although I found its sound superior to anything I heard before), so I had to return it to seller. I mean, sometimes Launcher didn’t launch, sometimes I realized that Afx plugins stuck and even if I changed parameters, it didn’t follow it soundwise. Have you experienced any similar glitches?
Thanks for your review! I'm totally sold on the Orion Gen 4 converters - the quality is top-notch! I was super pumped to invest in it. However, I'm reading too much concerns about Antelope's quality control and their ability to solve issues (i.e the dedicated FB user group). It's a dealbreaker for me. I'm at a crossroads where I might have to sacrifice I/O and converter quality for more stability and updated sustainability. I don't want to spend most of my days fixing issues; vs focusing on recording and mixing music...
I personally had zero issues with the unit or their customer support. Matter fact their customer support you can actually get a person to talk to over the phone via UA which is only emails.
Also I am selling an Orion Gen 4 as I upgraded to galaxy. Let me know if you are interested. The unit is 2 months old.
I also have concerns about Antelopes sloppy software approach. I bought a Pure2 a year ago and it's quality is amazing. However the Mac OS version of the associated software has mistakes on it and it's clear from my emails with Antelope they have no intention of fixing it. Interesting too that the Sound On Sound review of the Orion 32 Gen3 (SOS September 2019) criticises the associated software. So much as I would love an Orion 32, I just can't risk it.
@@fadygergis still available for sale?
Sorry it’s gone!
Are you gonna do a tutorial for the routing system ? Please
you mean for the Orion Gen 4?
Yeh I am currently working on filming it.
Yes thank you =)@@fadygergis
Thank God someone is talking about this. Have been thinking about this since it came out. Question if you would be so kind to help: was it stable on Mac? I know you decided to change it because of the ins/outs problems with thunderbolt… hope they solve it fast! Have heard mixed results on it stability. Thank you for the video btw! Great stuff. Simon 🎹
In regards of stability so far works great for me. No issue.
@@fadygergis thank you for your fast answer and great to know!! 😊
Same here I have no issue. The installation on my Mac m1 was a pain in the ass tho.
Hi, Mr. Fady Gergis , i have questions Sir about a good windows pc with CPU voor audio productions, what do you need for stable working, also the I/O connections in many DAW not stable ( Cubase crasht and all the expensive plugins) in pro version. i will new startup with Ableton 12 suite. Sir engineer.
thank you fir this video, I was about buying one unit but as a windows user this is a no no! only 32 in and 32 out for what the unit is capable of and the 512 buffer maximum? Well I guess this is for MAC users, and I will be stuck with windows until the end of 2025. Thanks for the info, you save me a headache!
Thank you! I'm a home studio musician on 32 Gen 1 and lots of outboard gear, so have been imagining I would eventually grab a Gen 3 for more analog I/O and better converters. Now I have the chance to grab a Gen 1 Crane Song Avocet at a fantastic price which for me is mostly about its D/A conversion. But this Gen 4 would be a significant converter improvement for me plus needed I/O. Do you have an opinion about how this Gen 4 converters might compare to the Avocet?
The Gen 4 converters are absolutely amazing. They are the same converters they have in their galaxy unit.
I am actually selling my Gen 4 as I upgraded to the galaxy.
Thanks for the Video. Can we have lower (Lower than 512) Buffer size with USB connection?
You’re welcome. And yes you can.
Hello, thanks for the video. Are there buffer sizes smaller than 512?
Yes it goes down like all other interfaces. Just doesn’t go higher than 512 when using thunderbolt
@@fadygergis Thanks!!!
Great review
Do you know if they have fixed this 512 samples lock problem?
Yes they released a new update recently to fix that issue.
@@fadygergis thx for the info!
Would you recommend this one or the Galaxy 32?
Can get a very good deal on the Orion including the MRC controller
The Galaxy has extra ( Dante / HDX / AFX ) those are the main differences if those matter to you.
Also you can use my code and get extra 10% off of their website.
Wait. No 1024 buffer size via USB? Shocking. Thank you for this information! Saved my wallet.
No that’s incorrect.
You can get 1024 via usb. You can’t get 1024 via thunderbolt for right now.
Can the gen 3 do 1024 buffer size?
Yes because I/O is limited to 64
Is the buffer size present also in the Galaxy 32?
no the Galaxy 32 doesn't have the buffer size issue. because its 64 I/O so buffer size can be up to 1024 without an issue.
Sorry, did you say we’d need to buy a license to eq an output??
Correct with the Gen 4 to unlock that feature you have to buy the license from their website unless you buy MRC and it will come with a license automatically.
@@fadygergis Thank you for the great review here, Fady. Appreciate what you do.
Was literally about to switch to gen4 from an older Apollo setup next week, but not sure I can live with that approach from Antelope.
Really grateful for your review! Thanks again!
I am happy it’s helpful
@dgk_recordings glad this was helpful
Can you use the room eq for Cue output?
What do you mean? I am not fully tracking with you.
in lu of not having an EFX rack can the room correction processing be used to "brighten a headphone mix" ?? @@fadygergis
Having just two channels with effects for vocal recording is all we need. The manufacturers just keep missing this.
THANKS so much for clarifying the completely horrible and unusable fact that you can only work in max. 512 buffer size in your DAW😞 - major deal breaker!!
I believe they are working on an update to fix this.
Лучше бы взяли RME UFX III, она намного лучше чем AA или UA, проверено лично!
nice....but never intrested in anthing antelope...kool vdeo
Why not ?
@@fadygergis burl b80 mothership
My only gripe was the physical displays on it are pure false advertising. Horrid, bland, backlight bs, and nothing like the visual advertisements. Everything else is T&A!! Meaning I love it for their support and hw and drivers!
I sent the UA X8P back to UA and it’s because their email support AI are equally horrible. Antelope picks up the phone and even offer dedicated routing support.
I wanted to love this Gen 4 but the Customer Service....SUCKED and I sent it ALL Back ....Converters....32 in 32 out...GREAT...and I bought the Monitor Immersive BUT ...SOFTWARE ISSUES from HADES....went to Focusrite HAPPY NOW
My only gripe was the physical displays on it are pure false advertising. Horrid, bland, backlight bs, and nothing like the visual advertisements. Everything else is T&A!! Meaning I love it for their support and hw and drivers!
I sent the UAD X8P and it’s because their email support AI are equally horrible. Antelope picks up the phone and even offer dedicated routing support.
Hi! I have had serious Mac driver problems with Tb2 connection in 2017-18 with my Discrete8 (although I found its sound superior to anything I heard before), so I had to return it to seller. I mean, sometimes Launcher didn’t launch, sometimes I realized that Afx plugins stuck and even if I changed parameters, it didn’t follow it soundwise. Have you experienced any similar glitches?