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Gina has problems with her new RV and now no one wants to touch it. Did she get a lemon?
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I've had a similar situation but a Coleman 17b from camping world have issues with it. Couldn't get in. Finally got in and they had it for 2 and 1/2 months. They fixed some stuff. There was two page list. I get it back what they fixed is so shoddy I could have fixed it myself but I said hey you know it's under warranty and they got to fix all this stuff. Let him fix this too. It's just a lot of little stuff but it's like molding issues staple sticking out. They replaced my kitchen cabinet because it was all warped on the bottom. The new one now all the paper is coming off. I mean I can go on and on about the stuff going on and pretty good camper overall but it's just horrible. They had my camper for 2 and 1/2 months and now I got a cracked toilet too and I didn't have a cracked toilet before. I'm missing a piece out of my air conditioner that wasn't missing. There is a lot of stuff that happened
In the spirit of helping people out, why not do a video on why you should never buy a slide out unit..
Then buy polyurethane and painters tape and seal all joints again..
When she said Camping World, I immediately knew it to be a catastrophe !
Camping World Rv's and service are at the bottom of the barrel!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@markeverettjohnson99 Never buy an RV from C.W. I don't care what or how much it is, NEVER buy from C.W. I also suspect that they get rejects from some manufacturers as a cost cutting measure (but I have no evidence to back that claim up, it just seems that they have more troubled units is my personal experience after talking to others), so customers are at a disadvantage even before they drive off the lot.
@@brianjrichman I made that mistake in 2022. I will never deal with CW again.
Please no General RV or Camping World. When will people learn.
Yes, they have had a bad reputation for a while now.
Buying an RV in the present day makes buying a Time Share look like a genius decision.
Good one! Thanks for watching
Yup, we inherited a timeshare and really enjoy it with our family. Nice pools, food and spa services. Never had any problems with it except high pressure to buy more points. Nope. We are happy with the points we have.
Lawyer says people should wait and not buy a camper now. Poor quality and consumers dont have any rights because of the contracts that they make the purchasers sign when you buy.
Awesome!🤣💪👍
Just too funny!! But all so very true!!
That poor woman having to deal with this. Shame on the manufacturer.
I know it. Feel free to share to help get the word out. Thanks for watching.
Thank you.
Berkshire Hathaway is the parent company of Forest River. Warren Buffett bought the company in 2005.
The RV industry is definitely broken.
I'm sure hoping they wake up before they cause themselves to go out of business. Thanks for watching and stay tuned.
@@LizAmazingI don’t know if they even will. The business plan of most corporations nowadays are to own such a large chunk of the market share consumers have little choice, so it indefinitely keeps them in business despite bad quality. This is across the entire economy.
@@Fitz710You are correct. But it's even worse. I've worked in manufacturing for almost 20 years now. I have watched quality decline across many areas of manufacturing. This is a systemic issue deep within our economy. Every company tries to push out as much product as they can, as quickly as they can, as cheaply as they can. This is why Boeing has parts falling off planes, and trains are derailing. They are choosing quantity over quality.
This is also a monetary issue. When our currency is devalued as much as ours has been, companies have to make their products out of cheaper materials to keep them profitable & affordable. If they build quality products with quality materials, no one will be able to afford them. This is why common household appliances that used to last decades are practically disposable now.
Don’t buy anything from Camping world
I keep hearing nightmares from camping world…
We had nightmare from one in Minnesota. Sold it then next year and bought a trailer from a family owned dealership
Sadly it’s not just Camping World.
Yup. Camoing World and General RV should be avoided.
Nobody is surprised that camping world gave her the run around.
Indeed! Thanks for watching
Liz amazing is no longer your typical RV travel channel. The channel has transformed into a customer help channel. Her subscriber numbers have escalated accordingly. Go get them, Liz.❤
Haven't seen Liz for a while, is she still doing videos with that guy she was traveling with a while ago?
@mr.mcbeavy1443 Liz is still doing videos. She has turned into a customer advocate for RV owners who are getting shafted by manufacturers. She married another fellow. He doesn't get into the videos.
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Ok, thanks...so she must have married someone other than the fellow she WAS doing videos with just a year or two ago.
@@mr.mcbeavy1443 that's what manrock said
She’s found her niche.
I can’t even begin to imagine the frustration these poor people feel. It must feel like a never ending nightmare.
They have landscapers building RV's.....
When do you ever hear about a positive experience with Camping World? Nuff said.
I will say their store is a good resource! Thanks for watching
Well I was thinking about buying a camper maybe not anymore 😢
Pre 2019/Covid! All big companies: quality is out! Nobody wants to work for minimum wage!
I bet Liz is overwhelmed by calls. She is only one person. I admire your knowledge!
Thank you so much, Sandra! Yes, my email in box is full!!! Sure appreciate you being here!
Covid Camper and Camping World!!! Ugh!! What a horrible combo!!! I feel so bad for Gina! Liz, You are Amazing!!
It's all Sleepy J-ed 🤣
I’ve been addicted to these RV trouble videos. I’ve even got my parents hooked too
Link bans everyone.
Thanks for being here!!!
Me too! And I don't even own a camper.
An example on how a Billion dollar industry can pass along the warranty repair cost to the consumer
Liz is totally amazing for sure 😊
I appreciate you exposing the GREED of these manufacturers.
Now,,,,,,why in the world would anybody in their right mind purchase anything new?
Because they aren't doing their research, and they get their emotions all wrapped up in it and it clouds their better judgement.
@@backtoasimplelife RV Manufacturers need a huge Class Action Lawsuit and federal regulations to change their behavior. Without that, they'll keep doing it. I remember I had a 2021 Coachmen Chaparral that had water leaks right off the lot. I brought it in for warranty service and they fixed that area. About 4 weeks later, the back of my camper started delaminating. Brought it back again, and they "Fixed" it. Once I got it back again, it started delaminating again 2 weeks later, and the outlets on the back side of the camper stopped working. I took the outlets out and it was beyond soaked back there. I could wring the insulation out like a sponge. A lot of the inner wood was starting to rot and get soft. I brought it back in again, and this time they wouldn't touch it. They said it needed the whole back end of the camper replaced, and it had to be done by the manufacturer, (which is a 3 day drive from where I am) I called Coachmen (Owned by Forest River) and told them about the issues, etc etc. They claimed that the earliest they'd be able to fix it was in October of 2022. (I called them in January of 2022) So for those months I waited, I had the whole camper covered under a tarp to avoid more water leaks. Once I had paid and arranged for the camper to be delivered over there, Coachmen called me one week before my appointment and said they cant do the work because the warranty expired in June of 2022 unless I paid for the costs (Which was quoted at above $23,000) Coachmen decided to not honor my warranty even though I had set the appointment up 6 months before my Warranty expired. A bunch of back and forth and hardly getting any help from Coachmen, in late November of 2022, I told them that if they didnt fix my camper, or buy it back that I would be seeking advice from a lawyer. They ghosted me when I said that. A week later I called them and threatened one final time, and the man on the phone literally said "Bring it. Sue us" and then he hung up the phone. A few days later, I hired a lawyer, and the lawyer found they were in breach of warranty contract because they didn't fix my camper even though they were aware of the issue long before the warranty was up. My lawyer sent lawsuit papers to Coachmen with his findings, and this was brought into court in March of 2023. The case went on for a couple days and Coachmen's lawyers were working really hard to convince the judge that they were unaware of my campers issues (which was countered by proof that an appointment for the issue was set up in Jan of 2022. In the end, the Judge THANKFULLY Ruled in my favor, and forced Coachmen to buy my camper back and awarded me $6000 ontop for my troubles. Coachmen refunded me the cost of the camper (Which was about $60,000) so I got $66,000 in my settlement. However, after I won the case against Coachmen, Coachmen called me a few weeks later and told me I was banned from any Coachmen store or lot and that they would not sell me another camper again. Good Riddance to them. I purchased a slightly used 2018 Jayco in June of 2023 and this camper has had zero issues other than the microwave not working. But that was a cheap fix.
I own a Cedarcreek. But I would not set foot on Camping Worlds lot to buy anything. Mine has been good so far with minor trouble. But my dealer has taken care of all of my issues without the big wait. This ladys story is sad and I hope Forest River steps up here and does the right thing.
Yes, me, too. I'm looking forward to doing a happy update. Thanks for watching and stay tuned.
This woman should get a Full Refund and Damages for Mold Exposure. What a Scam to run out time on their Warranty so they can give a final Nope! Forest River’s Strategy is to ignore you Liz. Make them Pay!
She should also be reimbursed for all the money she paid having her unit transported.
There should be a lemon law for RV’s
We spent a lot of money on these rig’s and should be protected. Hopefully video’s like this will help make changes happen. Thank you Liz for keeping us informed.
We have the Magnuson Moss Act, but we do need more. Thanks for watching
There are lemon laws for RV’s. Plenty of attorneys out there to help. Same laws as for regular vehicles.
@@hasonlavajunk9774 It's not the same laws as for regular vehicles otherwise they wouldn't have had to explicitly exclude RVs from the regular vehicle lemon laws. If they weren't excluded then this indeed would not be as big of an issue. The specific "RV" lemon laws you are referring to make it easy for manufacturers to get away with selling junk.
@@davidb.5544 sorry, you’re wrong. I just lemon lawed mine recently. It was exactly like a car. They gave me three options on how to proceed.
1. Return unit with full repayment plus interest.
2. Return for replacement.
3. Cash and keep, fix it yourself.
2022 Thor motorhome. Had body fitment issues that weren’t fixed after three attempts.
@@hasonlavajunk9774 what state are you?
Camping world was a horrible experience for us!! They make terrible things. Horrible business practice by all companies involved. Shame on all of them!!
Yep. And I haven't heard good things about Camping World for ages. Thanks for watching.
Sorry to hear that Erin. Just too many people with bad experiences
She needs to hire an attorney who specializes in litigating RV cases. Forest River is crap. I owned a 2016 FR toy hauler. I was overwhelmed with joy the day I sold it.
Noe somebody else has your problems.
@@davidhouston5783 they got a good price and I repaired everything before they bought it. I hope they enjoy it. It was a PIA for me.
Absolutely disgraceful behavior by dealer and manufacturer. How do they expect anyone to want to buy their campers. Wow… hope this gets resolved.
Thank you Rich for your support
My wife and I are empty nesters now. We were considering buying an RV or camper since my job allows me to work from anywhere. Not anymore. Liz thank you for your hard work! You've saved us from making a $200k mistake. Since the rv and camper industry no longer knows how to make a quality product, we will not be buying.
Buy an Oliver Travel Trailer- it’s fiberglass and the build quality is that of a yacht! Oliver’s are a true 4 season travel trailer.
Find a good used one. I've owned several older used campers which were awesome. RV's were just made better back in the day. This whole "light weight BS" does nothing but upsets folks when they find out cardboard gets weak when it get wet.
Why in the world would you spend 200k on a camper? Has everyone gone insane?
Liz, your call to action to rally support for change within the RV industry is truly inspiring and showcases the power of community in advocating for accountability and transparency.
Thanks so much, Scott. I do believe it is making a difference. So glad you are here!
@@LizAmazing It's heartening to hear that you're feeling the impact of your efforts, Liz. Your dedication to making a difference in the RV community is commendable, and I'm grateful to be a part of this journey with you.
Hi Liz. Oh my, another Camping World nightmare! I hope you can help this woman. No one deserves to be treated like this.
As soon as I heard she bought it from Camping World, I knew what was coming.
I get bombarded with Camp World ads on my phone. I wouldn't buy a garbage truck from them. It is good that you continue to expose manufacturers for their poor excuse for what they sell. It is time people stop buying from these criminals. These stories confirm what I have been hearing from RV'ers all over.
Actually they build exceptional garbage trucks.
Oh, that was good!!
Can I please say once again IF you are buying any RV any RV always get a full inspection hired by you. Get an inspection if they will not let you have an inspector then walk away because what are they hiding? I am so sorry what this person had to go through there needs to be lemon laws for RVs.
Yes, sound advice for sure! Thanks for watching.
Marcus Lemonis CEO of Camping World loves the help people on tv . Maybe 😏?
I wish that was true. I reached out to the # provided by CW. The gal was rude and didnt want to be bothered. Others have reported that the customer service complaint # is a waste of time. I contacted BBB to be at least compensated for the damage they caused. Factory promised to fix it, but they didn't. My original warranty claim (water leaks, electrical shorts and mold) was first reported in Dec 2022. My camper is ruined now.
Yes. Get inspection. Unfortunately I later found out that my walk thru was done with another a diiferent camper and Vin#. They said too late " you already signed the paperwork". Lets not blame the victim. Both CW and factory have not honored the warranty contact and caused damage to my camper. I should be compensated.
Junk, it's nothing but junk, I'm not going to say anything regarding what should be done,I want my country back!
These days simply inform the dealer and manufacturer that they are about to have a million veiws to their potential customers. The photos tell all.Out of business is what they need!
I've never owned a camper, I always tent camp. I prefer my cabin cruiser for outdoor time. I've looked at campers many many times....but always had the feeling, DON'T DO IT" LOL they're all junk! I watch all your videos, and as I said, I will never own one. I just watch because I have tremendous respect for the tireless and brave work you are doing! You are one amazing woman, thank you for all you do!!!!!
Most are junk. Not all but most
Wow, thank you so much for your kind words! Fortunately there are some well built used RVs out there. But the new stuff coming out of Elkhart has been suspect these past four years.
@@LizAmazing Yes Liz, there are many great RV's, I was just speaking in generality. ;-)
I've heard from many that Camping World is never the place to purchase an rv from.... this is supposedly common behavior from them...
Yeah, I haven't heard good things either. Thanks for watching, Melissa.
What good is a warranty if they can't/won't fix anything and the repairs take so long that the warranty expires in the mean time?
Time to start hounding @ForestRiverInc to fix it. It is disgusting how these manufacturers are screwing over their customers. Don't even get me started on @CampingWorld, that is a colossal mess, and they DO NOT care!
Thanks for watching and your support
Go after Warren Buffett
I feel so bad for these RV buyers the aggravation, money lost and time they missed by not able to use them. Something is definitely wrong with this industry. Most people that buy RVs aren’t wealthy people. Liz you are amazing.
Yes. I sure hope the RV industry turns this thing around. Otherwise they are going to put themselves out of business. Thanks for watching.
The warranties on these things are almost useless. They can't or won't fix them and the repairs take so long the warranty express anyway.
I totally agree Billy.
Would like to see congress pass a RV Lemon Law that is similar to the automotive lemon law. I’m glad I’m not looking at a Forest River and will share this video with all I meet.
We have the Magnuson Moss Act, but we do need more protection for sure. Thanks for watching
Not going to happen because most RV manufacturers are owned by Wall Street. Warren Buffet with Berkshire Hathaway along with Thor Industries bought most of the mom and pop builders to dominate the RV industry.
I owned a RV motorhome for two years, always something to fix or something didn't work right, long trips on the road, a few breakdowns, after two years I had had enough and sold it. Never again and haven’t looked back. My wife and I are back to being happy again. We went back to renting a room at a hotel, motel or condominium. It was just so much easier. My advice is don’t be fooled by others and all the RV and camping B.S. stuff they tell you.
Camping World is not the one to take full blame. If the RV manufacturers made them as they should then this would be a completely different story. Building garbage never gets you very far.
from what I understand when the warrantee is up, they determined that is the life of the trailer, I worked at a cargo trailer factory, and they had a three-year warrantee and that was the life of the trailer, kind of tells you what they think of the quality of their own companies' products.
So true Danny. Maybe they should force the RV manufacturers to give at 3 years.
Another sad story. I feel so bad for all these people but so happy you are working for these people. Congratulations on 127K. I know you are lying low but hope you are enjoying life and having some fun.
I sure am, thanks Dan! I'm excited to be sharing some happy news about the folks that I am helping. Stay tuned.
Sure will. Friday evening uploads are great. Thanks Liz.
I am glad these manufactures and dealers are finally getting exposed, sad for the buyers who spending a lot of money on these units and than they give them the run around at the time of need. Crazy !
Indeed. I sure hope these videos are a wakeup call for the mfrs.
How sad that these people spend that much money on these RV’s and have all those problems. I enjoy your videos. I like happy updates.
Yes! I have some happy stories coming up. Stay tuned. And thanks for watching. Also, feel free to share this video to help get the word out. I do want to do a happy update for Gina for sure!
Forest River is owned by Berkshire Hathaway a billion dollar corporation which sole purpose is to generate shareholder value. I think once a company has so many layers of insulation from the consumer their focus remains on the profit margins and to hell with standing up and doing the right thing and correctly fixing this ladies RV. Since state legislators and the courts have failed to deal with the RV industry maybe the Federal courts would do a better job of enforcing consumer protection laws.
I'll buy a Class-A motorhome when Toyota starts building them.
Toyota or Honda
Ooh, I sure wish they would!!! Thanks for watching.
I agree!😊
I wish!!!!
Unfortunately, Toyota is having major issues with many of it's latest vehicles.
I'm convinced that all glowing, positive reviews for many RVs are just purchased by the manufacturer and not genuine. They will not stand up for their own cheaply made products.
Maybe. I didnt think of that. Thanks for watching.
At this point the only travel trailer i would ever buy new would be A oliver.
The biggest issue with RVing is getting service. The industry is blowing up, has been blowing up but not enough technicians out there. They need to start RV repair schools nationwide.
Yes, that is so true. Thanks for watching, Barry, and stay tuned for an update.
Like everything else, there never seems to be enough nurses or doctors in many locations, and the RV service tech needs to work hard at bringing in new talent as well! But I say 'quality tech's' are what's needed, not the same guy that checks your rig out at Camping World, that's for sure.
@@LizAmazing Oh, I will...Keep ringing the bell Liz;)
Lemon laws need to be changed in every state to hold RV manufacturers and dealers to the same standard vehicles are held to. Nothing will change otherwise.
We had a FR unit at one time...I was glad we were able to sell it. Never will own another, the service was lacking at best and as you can see from this video, the craftsmanship is nonexistent.
With everything that has been going on with RV manufacturers and dealers I see only one option (for me at least) and that is to not buy another camper in the U.S. until the industry changes its practices.
Yep. Or consider buying a well built used one. Thanks for watching.
(ALL) the industries & businesses mentioned in this video-BEWARE BEWARE BEWARE. And yes, first, locate a qualified inspector, then start your RV search and NO inspection then NO sale.
Thank you Liz
My understanding is that Camping World contract has many exclusions which state that Camping World is not responsible for the warranty on the unit. I’m concerned that when this person called Forest River, Forest River told her that she would have to go through the dealer. If it’s not a dealer warranty and it’s only a manufacturer warranty, why would the customer have to go through the dealer to get warrantyservice. Attorneys need to be involved in these RV transactions.
It sure is a frustrating maze sometimes. Thanks for watching, Steve, and stay tuned.
Hi Steve. Thanks for watching and your feedback. Its been to dealer and to factory in Indiana. So far has been in for service a total of 192 days. More damge caused while at dealer. This is how my camper was returned to me from Forest River Plant#20 in Topeka, IN. Now I cant even open my awning.
You’re amazing Liz. This has to be the most depressing, yet necessary, work being done in the entire RV industry. I had been thinking about buying an rv for 3/4 time living but now I’m kind of gripped after watching all these tales of woe. Is this just a fundamentally corrupt industry? Should I avoid it entirely? I’d really appreciate your advice. Keep up the good work!
This very same situation happen to me and i have been fighting them since 2020. I had the very same situation as this lady (have) to include Forest River keeping 5000 dollars in reimbursements unless i sign a waiver.
Same bedroom floor issue that i paid them to fix. Forest river destroyed my rv along with forest river.
Sadly mine was two years old when i asked for help here so im screwed for life. Yet i have the very same issues and more here.
My awning was damaged. The bedroom floor is a disaster and so much more.
No help for me from anywhere tho. I hate these oeople with a passion.
So many horror stories that you share Liz. In my life, I have made two RV purchases, one and 2013 and another in 2016. Both of these RVs have held up very well. After seeing all of your videos , particularly this one, I don’t think I want to even dare buy another RV.
I am SO thankful to you Liz for these videos, you talked me out of buying a RV and for that i am grateful.
Sorry to hear that! Not a good time to buy new, but trailers and fifth wheels built in 2018 and before tend to be well-built. The motorhome sweet spot is 2002 to 2008. Before you buy, join the Facebook group of the model to get the scoop from owners. And always get an inspection. Another advantage of buying used is the seller has typically gotten the kinks out. Thanks for watching. For more about what to buy used see my recent video: ruclips.net/video/JSo5n2B62MA/видео.html
Attorney. I wouldn’t do anything until I called an attorney, and if it cost me some money, I would sue the living daylights out of this company. I wouldn’t even mess around with this runaround. If I got water, mildew, and appliance was not working they’re coming to get that thing and they’re bringing me a brand new one.
My heart breaks for these dear people. $66,000, is not a low end purchase. It should be bulletproof other than minor things here or there. I sure hope she helps you
Feel so sad for that lady. After going to Camping World once, I have never ever never been back. they try to add up all kinds of crap to your bill and by the way, I bought a used camper that had black tanks FULL of you know what. and the frig didnt work at all on propane.
It didn't need to it was running off the black tanks.
This lady absolutely came to the right person to get results. New to your channel but I am very impressed with what you have been able to accomplish for other people.
Thank you so much for your support, Joe! I sure hope to have a positive update in this case. Feel free to share this to get more people on board.
Hi lady...we are so sorry to keep hearing about how this industry is going to the dogs...that poor lady...said it before ...doing a fantastic job..thank you...J&A2ofus
If I bought a camper, it will be fiberglass.. No stick built junk for me! Go 'em Liz!
We all need to go RV shopping with hidden cameras 😎
Yeah, just waste their time hanging out at camping world like you are going to buy a pricey unit.
In my opinion, the time portion of RV warranties should be suspended for the amount of time they are sitting around waiting to be worked on at the dealer or service provider so they can't stall it out with a run-around-circle-jerk.
This is so disturbing to see this poor gal have to fight for what she paid top dollar for. I am starting to wonder if the people they hire are totally incompetent. Also, I can vouch for Camping World, they are the very worse. When we bought a brand-new 2013 Freedom Elite Class C motor home, we had a water line slow leaks under the sink, Camping World could not fix the problem after 2 visits and would leak again after each camping trip. I hired a home plumber, and he fixed the problem in half an hour, and has been good going on 5 years now. Keep up the good fight Liz. You give these people hope.
Truly shame on these sellers. They simply do not care. Thanks for helping these people and telling their stories.
What a contrast....Toyota in my opinion is fantastic overall in helping any customer....now there are some bad stories...but the RV industry is off the charts terrible. These poor souls spending big bucks on junk.
Dealing with Camping World was your first mistake....I honestly don't know how they've managed to stay in business
If you buy a slide out make sure it has awnings over each slide out or you will 100% get water intrusion and mold.
I have been involved in RV for a long time ...all of them are nothing but trouble on wheels...even the expensive ones are made with the lowest quality materials...and poor craftsmanship there is no craftsmanship convicts put them together It's the only people they can get to work there.. RVs equal trouble.. non-stop trouble really... You've been warned
I feel so bad for this lady. It appears she has done everything asked of her. She has more patience than I probably would have had! 😤😡
Forest River is owned by Warren Buffett and Berkshire Hathaway Inc. I had heard that when Warren Buffet came on board, he had a meeting with all upper management. In that meeting he was quoted as saying something like “If we can’t build them right then we won’t build them at all.” I was encouraged when I heard this. Unfortunately it appears that something is not right here and when I hear stories like this I become leery of buying anything with the Forest River name on it!
I have quite simply learned that you NEVER BUY AN AMERICAN MANUFACTURED RV. Always order a caravan from the UK. They are not nearly as large or luxurious as American designs but they are high quality and last for years. 😢
And typically many thousands of dollars less.
Yes! I've been hearing good things about them!!! Thanks for watching
Why get an inspection when Campers are junk before they leave the lot.
This is the reason why i would never buy an rv of any kind because none of the manufacturers stand behind their product. Build them as cheap as possible then sell them for an astonishing amount of money and then forget you exist.
Poor woman. This breaks my heart.
Drove by a lot near Squeim Washington and saw a bunch of Grand Design rigs there and thought god help the poor bastards that buy those pos’s. It’s terrible how bad things have gotten. I’ve owned a a couple of FR rigs and thought they were pretty good but then again they were 2010 and earlier. Cheers
Yes. I sure hope things turn around soon. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Where's Judge Judy when you need her
I know it. Somebody call her. Thanks for watching.
Yes, I ❤ Judge Judy!! I so need her!
She still on TV deciding against every pretty girl she encounters.
Judge Judy would let you know how smart you are for buying one in the first place, I'd think.
Camping World and Forest River are becoming synonymous with "shit." Liz, I know they're pressuring you and trying to silence you but I promise to NEVER even consider any dealer or RV you've called into question on ANY issue that has not been publicly resolved. FU manufacturers and dealers! Liz IS amazing! Also know I will NEVER sign away my right to sue in my own state if I ever end up with a POS product of yours.
Maybe OSHA , could be called in to inspect , her trailer and take their findings to the company, because she has past evidence of quality , complaints with the manufacture , mold Is a health hazard so she should also lawyer up . Because if a company is exposing the public to health hazards then OSHA , can get involved . She can also get her local STATE REP , and local congress representative , involved they can usually get the ball rolling quickly .
Hi Liz, you should start a spreadsheet and track all the people that call you regarding mfg, type of problem, RV year, RV type, did they reach out to mfg., dealer, etc and you can think of even more. This would make it easy for you to keep track of but you will also have records of all mfg defects per model. Basically ur starting a big data base. This will carry a lot of weight later when you are in front of Congress fighting for all the rv owners.
There really is no excuse for crappy manufacturing and service. Company CEOs, engineers and management get paid a lot to figure this out and improve their company. The issue is that consumers put up with poor service, high prices, gouging, alacarte pricing, and sub-par manufacturing so why should they change.
I watched a video the other day where people loved this basic no frills camper (it was a small hard side and I don't remember the name) and campers were buying it bc it was cheap. There have been hundreds of complaints and consumers know about all these issues, but they still buy it. When they buy it they put hundreds and thousands in it fixing it up, but they call it customizing and are proud of it. I was like, what? You buy a NEW cheap camper you know is falling part and you call fixing all the manufacturers work customizing...LOL
This is diff than renovating or buying an old camper or rv and fixing it up bc problems are expected with age and there is a big base that makes their own or renovates older rvs or campers..
Unfortunately, this backward thinking is what we've come to expect and settle for bc were trying to convince ourselves the opposite of reality.
Why is this all put on the consumer? An RV or camper coming out the manufacturers door should not be as bad as what's being experienced by others and yourself.
Ive been rv shopping for over two years. Everytime i find multiple owner reviews of problems in the first year i take them off my list. The money for a camper is 30 days away , and i have no campers on my list. That says it all! Im renting one, $50,000 was the cheapest camper i found. No f-ing way am i throwing it away on any campers! Im done searching.😢
Yep, it's amazing how expensive these new RVs have become. If you are still shopping, I would consider buying used. Not a good time to buy new, but trailers and fifth wheels built in 2018 and before tend to be well-built. The motorhome sweet spot is 2002 to 2008. Before you buy, join the Facebook group of the model to get the scoop from owners. And always get an inspection. Another advantage of buying used is the seller has typically gotten the kinks out. Thanks for watching. For more about what to buy used see my recent video: ruclips.net/video/JSo5n2B62MA/видео.html
It seems, after looking at the many campers on the market, there are very few dissing 'Brinkley' to date. It might be the only one I'd choose, albeit it's more expensive than many others, there again if your paying for quality, it may be the best route!
Buy a restored airstream. You'll be lovin it.
Camping World has an atrocious reputation when it comes to selling AND repairing RVs. Our Forest River RVs are pre 2019 and have had minor issues. I see these videos of post 2000 RVs being of very poor quality and what the owners are made to suffer through. Unconscionable behavior by the dealers and manufacturers. Keep up the good work, Liz!
You know what the unfortunate thing about this channel is? Its been needed for years! Just glad its here now.....thank you for all your efforts to support those who watch and also share their sad stories!!
So sorry for this lady. Is Camping World and Forrest River just blowing her off because she’s a woman hoping she will just give up? I always felt that Camping World sucked after dealing with them once but I thought Forrest River was better than this.
How do they get away with this stuff. I will never buy from a manufacturer that would do what this one is doing.
RVs in general have a well earned reputation for being trouble prone. Destination trailers are built to an even worse standard than regular RV’s. The frames and suspensions are far less robust as they are going to mostly sit in one spot. They need to be handled with kid gloves when they are moved , many problems can arise a few bumps in the road.
I have come to the conclusion that you pretty much need to own most repairs, fix them yourself. The manufacturers deserve to have accountability for their shoddy products. As RV owners we should start the process by submitting proposals to our senators to reign in this out of control industry.
I have a 1972, 26 footer, I fixed it by tearing it down to the frame and building a real building, or tiny house. All campers are made of garbage, every time always.
We've been RVing for over 20 years. Mark another manufacturer off the list. I really thought Forest River was better than this considering we owned a Rockwood for a few years and it served us very well. My oh my how things have changed. It's absolutely heart breaking. I knew how horrible CW was. Doubt that will ever change. Here's to hoping FR does what is right by their customer.
We have a 1996 Chevrolet Rockwood hi-top conversion van...has real wood and built rock solid. Sorry to hear they have joined the "Don't buy list'
She needs an attorney, Now!!!
Forest River owned by Berkshire Hathaway a multi billionaire and like most mega rich don't give a damn about the consumer. The RV business is in crapper if I was to buy a camper today it would be one before the pandemic. Been hearing bad reports on Camping World also.
Yeah, I have enough headaches in my life.Don't need an r v to create more
Another Great Video Liz! Stay safe out there!!
Read a report today that said RV sales are way down and prices are being slashed. Hmm, wonder why. People are sick of being screwed over.
I grew up camping with my dad and brother in a small 5th wheel. We had some wonderful weekends together that I'll never forget. Dad passed away a few years ago, and I started looking at different RVs after reminiscing about our adventures. My wife and I love visiting the national parks and the California coast, and she was really excited about the idea. After doing a bunch of research, I don't think I'm comfortable buying 95% of the RV products currently out there. Maybe we'll save up until we can afford one of the fiberglass trailers like Oliver or Bigfoot. I'd rather a smaller, more expensive product that's better quality than something that's going to fall apart after a year.
Cedar Creek was top of the line. I paid $$ hoping to avoid this. I also heard even RVs > $150,000 having the problem. Perhaps rent one so you can go out and remember your dad. Sounds like he would want you to. Sorry for your loss.
Thank you very much for your kind words. ❤ @@Gina-misalsa
Love you Liz❤
Love you, Ed! Sure appreciate your being here!
Yikes .. This is a common thing wow .. I am glad I did go into RVing, Forest River and Camping World you showed us your true color
LAWSUIT LAWSUIT LAWSUIT - Lemon Law - the manufacturer must that RV back for the original cost of it from your purchase plus any pain and suffering you may have experienced because of the issues. That mold and mildew issue that you presently have you will never be able to get rid of it all and it was going to cause major health concerns for you
Can you imagine what would happen to those uncaring employees at Forest River or Camping World if she was the daughter of a 1950s mafioso member? "When's Bill coming to work today? He's late."
Don't you know it!
Never CW never Forest River. They owe you a buyback!
Indeed! I sure hope I can report back with happy news. Thanks for watching and stay tuned.
Always get a good, reliable inspector to check out the RV before you hand your money over.
I feel very bad for her , too bad these manufacturers dont care about the quality of their products and just push them out the door. It will keep me from buying new! I sold my rv and have not replaced it yet. Still looking for the right one but I am being cautious 😊
I just watched another RV blogger basically blame the work force. IMHO it is not the basic employee. The problem is i believe the QC aka Quality Control. But you can’t blame QC, for they are led and directed by the leadership at the manufacturer. Hence, it is the upper leadership. I really tired of hearing it is the employees. It is not, it is the upper leaderships and their greed.
It's the employees. Who do you think puts the stuff together like that? Jesus.
The QC guys are also... *EMPLOYEES* that don't give a shit or don't know their jobs because they're hired to check a skin color box off the list.
It's entirely the employees.