Enjoyed this video? Subscribe for more! → link.gratefulglamper.com/subscribe Want More? → video.gratefulglamper.com/youtube/channel/rvlifefavorites Thank you RV Mattress for sponsoring! Visit rvmattress.com/grateful to get 25% off your mattress with code "grateful"
Perhaps you could interview the park owners and give a less biased report. There are reasons for these rules. Because of the laws in place in many blue areas there is no way to evict for non-pay situations. Some owners also wish to run a higher end park. I personally prefer 55+, no squatters, junk RV's, dogs and children because I prefer quiet and peace of mind on vacation. I look for parks that fit my desires. You have choices, not rights over business owners. I also like pools that are not full of screaming pissing kids, already raised mine.
The age restriction is why we bought a smaller, new RV. What kills me is when you arrive at a RV Park/resort and they have old, unkept (at least on the outside) RVs parked in their parks that obviously aren't moving anywhere. There are only a handful of parks like this. Then you have those parks that try to hide the over 10 years old RVs but while exploring the park you find them. At least here in California. I don't understand why there are restrictions for short term stays but then you see these old, falling apart RVs. Why are they there?!? We have been doing upgrades to our travel trailer only to ensure it's safe and is better than it was when we bought it. And trust me, those with RVs know all of the manufacturing problems that COVID brought on. These new RVs that were being mass produced are crap. Oh sure it looks beautiful when you go to buy it. Then you start discovering all the problems. I thank God everyday for my husband. He was a Journeyman ASE Certified mechanic. He has caught problems before the RV companies have.
Sorry, ma'am, but it's scorched-earth war with snobbery disguised as "throw-away mentality". How these swine must chortle when they sell their 10yo RV for five-figures when they know the buyer will be restricted.
Someone needs to begin cataloging these places and build it into an app as a filter so everyone who cares can deliberately not patronize such places. Voting with your dollars is a powerful action.
We stayed in an upscale “campground” in Vegas. It was absolutely beautiful. The sites were all large, and privately owned. Owners could rent their sites, when they weren’t using them. The campground had restrictions on the age of the units and the type of units allowed. Our unit was a year old, but only 35 feet. It wasn’t as high end as most of the rigs, and was much smaller. We could feel security keeping a close eye on us. The lists of rules were lengthy. Let me say that most people would not be comfortable camping in that campground - so not allowing older units, and only allowing class A pushers, did everyone a favour. The rules protected the wealthy owners, and ensured a very immaculate, and peaceful stay. They had rules about everything - so plenty of Karen’s to go around.
Sounds like a great idea for an app. I've been looking for such an idea, but I really know nothing about rv camping. I have a cot and rarely even bother using a tent.
Here's the thing,. I don't want to be "in community" with the people who make these rules anyway. These are the people who think HOAs are a good idea too.
Not willing to name these campgrounds is actually not helping the community. I understand you’re trying to be the “nice guy” but why would you be nice to a company that disrespected you by questioning the quality of your RV? Would you name a Walmart if their security stopped you from going in because you weren’t dressed correctly? Name them.
@rickcockcroft7590 until the last couple years I wouldn't have believe it either, but.... people throw "defamation" around these days like frozen water bottles at a NYC block party....
I think many are missing two important points. First, the RV parks are a private “business.” They can set whatever rules they want as long as they do not violate a local, state, or federal law. Just as a retailer can trespass you, the parks can say they don’t want you. Secondly, support those that support you. You have a wallet. You also have a voice. You have YT channels, forum/community presence, social media. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Grass roots campaigns can be and are effective.
And businesses that reject people for dumb reasons should be exposed to the public and BLACKLISTED. If they have the right to deny public accommodation, then customers should have an absolute right to boycott them.
I'm an truck driver. I travel the Country. I see old Bounders, Wonderlodges, and Bus Conversions all the time. And they're in better shape than the new junk rattling down the highway with crooked slideouts, flapping roofs, obvious bent frames, warped siding, and smokin brakes.
@@spyder000069 -- The ones on the side of the roads in Los Angelos is an entirely different problem. There are homeless people living in them and most of them won't run anymore. That is an entirely different story not related to this one.
- and the oldies, are repairable (no proprietary fittings, no longer available 2 yeas after production model ceased), craftmanlike interiors. Modern rigs, all staples glue and plastic - fillers and lining materials.
In 2006 we had reservations at an RV Park in San Diego. We pulled up to check in and were told that we couldn't stay there because of restrictions. Our trailer was a T@b which was quite unique at that time. It was a vintage DESIGN but it was only 6 months old. The 10 year rule was tossed at us. I showed the clerk the title. Still denied and she refused to call the manager. There were no vacancies in any of the other campgrounds and we didn't know at the time how to boondock. Finally, I just refused to leave and told the clerk to either call the manage or the police because I was NOT leaving. A couple of hours later, the manager showed up and put us in a campsite. The sting of discrimination was a useful lesson to me in empathy for others to whom that rule actually did apply.
@@jackstitt1395 I don't remember the name of the RV Park. It was in San Diego and a member of Passport America at that time. It was very nice and had some waterfront sites.
Name and shame. Certainly a business can decide who its customers are but the consumer and community can decide to not patron them at all, with or without a new or old RV.
As someone considering entering the RV community, it’s stuff like this that makes me think twice. There should be a published list of resorts that have stupid restrictions like this. Let peer pressure put an end to this
You should really think about it the RVs today are made like s***. I'm serious they're made very cheap especially during the pandemic very low quality is what I'm hearing
Don't buy one, especially one of the more expensive new ones if you aren't willing to fix the brakes, replace engine parts or tinker with appliances. Were I alone and unable to repair a larger RV, I would get a camper van that's cheaper and easier to fix, but even with that, you need to know basic maintenance at least. If you aren't willing to learn, do not get one.
I don't have a problem with campgrounds having rules like this -- it tells you that you probably don't want to be there. Name & Shame the offending sites.
Yeah but what if it becomes a trend and you have a nice older rig and you end up stuck at the side of the road. In theory there's always Walmart but they could close their parking lots one day and then what? I'm no expert. Just wondering.
Those are silly rules that you support. Imagine telling those with a car over 15 yrs can't park in a parking lot to go buy groceries. What narrow mind would agree with such a goofy rule of age of a camper?
I tried semi retirement in 2015 w a trip to Florida for the winter, I made reservations for Ocala Fl, paid my first 2 months, upon arrival the very next morning, management showed up w a 12 page contract that I was expected to sign right then and there, without having my coffee, i explained I do no transactions without coffee, breakfast and coffee. The ‘ manager ‘ was indignant, came back 7 mins later and demanded I sign or leave immediately. Without a refund, I called my bank, cancelled the transaction. I went to another campground and was told they don’t accept toyhaulers, but they recommended a campground that did.Upon my 7 months in Florida over that winter I checked out numerous campgrounds as I have done the past. 45 years. About 7% at the time had age restrictions for RVs as well as the vehicle that towed them, Never went back to Florida, I’m a gypsy traveler instead. My home base is Vermont. I should mention I’m 70, I’ve camped for 50 years, I’ve owned 27 RVs to date.
In Texas, Port Aransas, to be exact, there is an RV resort, that not only restricts age, but also length. Your RV must be at least 24 feet, as well as less than 10 years old…
@@curtbilyeu8701 Thanks for that. My first ‘camper’ if you would call it that, was a Nimrod, a sorta pop up without cables, it was simplistic, ice box, 2 small beds. It was awesome. I lost my Weekend traveler, (a 32’ single slide) amongst other things, July 10, 2023,here in central Vermont due to the flood.
Oh my goodness…I would LOVE to talk to you about RVing in Vermont! My son just moved from TX to Burlington, VT to get his Ph.D. in neurological biology. If you see this, please PM me! I just retired and bought my RV last year. 😊
Don't post the name of the campground to shame them - post it so we don't bother attempting to book with them. I love my 2004 Itasca Suncruiser 38R! Won't be talked out of it!
If you look at the last video of this subject in the comment section I mentioned said campground. Many of the talking points I addressed when I put them on blast. Nobody should have to lie to spend premium dollars to stay in your resort. Ill put my 2004 American Eagle against anything in their campground.
No, post the name so those of us who don't have older RVs can actually go to parks that DON'T look like downtown Los Angeles with all their junk RVs. Please boycott all these parks so it frees up space for those of us who are not whiny little babies and want to go to nice parks.
@@davidandbilliejo4203 Like she said you need names to hold these ppl accountable. Of course you won't stay at that campground. We need to make sure this doesn't become the norm.
It's not a question of accountability. People simply deserve to know the policies before they show up. If I know a business isn't going to sell a service to me, I'm not going to bother showing up. It's also not malicious to advertise their own policies for them, but that requires naming them.
I’m so glad I came across this video! My boyfriend and I are moving from Texas to Arkansas and are going to build an RV park. We will have to start small and then build it bigger as we can. We just bought a BEAUTIFUL 1998 Vogue V DP for $31k and brand new, it was $425k! It’s in pristine condition! We are NOT going to put an age restriction on the RVs that visit our park. The only thing I would ask is for the guests to keep their area clean and leave it the way they found it. Just be respectful. I think that’s fair.
That is more than fair, it's down right human! In fact, I really like it when people go the extra mile and make the place better. I regularly pick up street garbage when I see it. My RV is 1999, it's all I can afford, but I have just as much fun with it as someone who buys a new model. I'm not better than you, unless you are the type that throws garbage on the street!
I have a 1993 Class C, we remodeled the whole inside and outside over the cab, but kept the original on everything else. I’m proud to be a vintage camper owner. Thanks for making this video safe travels
The WORST aspect of RV life is having to audition to RV parks to see if you are “good enough” to stay there. F them. I would always seek out the simpler more affordable options without all the judginess.
I retired and worked overnight security at a really big, really nice campground. They're trying to vet out the multiple troublemakers running around the country champ. Ever think about that?
@@DQ_MineThere are tent sites at almost every campground if you can’t shell out for wheels so that’s a moot complaint. There are also cabins if you like. Try a reasoned argument instead of a whine next time, and throw in some knowledge too.
Should totally mention the names of the camp grounds. They are never going to change until the weight of the community begins crushing them. You guys have a very large following, and there are other RUclipsrs out there that would join in I am sure. Insurance is a cop out if they even try to use it as a reason. You can insure a manufactured home in tornado alley, they can afford to have insurance for your very well kept older RV. They build all of that stuff into the cost of a stay. What a world we live in these days.
Our goal with this video was not necessarily to trash these two campgrounds (they own two - one is a 55plus in The Villages and one is in Tampa) but rather to bring awareness to the absurd policies these campgrounds (and many others) are enforcing. Thanks for watching
@@GratefulGlamper I don't believe that stating who they are is trashing them. You are simply providing a service to the rest of the community by giving them knowledge. Ultimately it's up to you guys, but to me stating facts is no different than if you were to go there and stay, and then do an unbiased review, or for that matter to buy a product and offer a review (which you do regularly and many of us have benefited from) that may contain facts about the product that do not shine a bright light on it. Just my two cents. Love your content and nothing but respect for you guys here.
This is like helping without helping! Falls under “thanks for nothing” category!!!! This is like that backhanded compliment That good intention that the road to heck is built out of Treating the symptom when a cure is available 🤷🏽♀️IJS!
My policy has always been refusal to go anywhere with an age rule. Did that even when our rig was brand new. If they even ask, I say “doesn’t matter, I’m rejecting you. Bye.”
Thank goodness for honest people in the world like this. Thank goodness I decided to take two years to research this more as I am a tent camper at heart. The lifestyle sounds amazing as I am a traveler at heart but….. 1. Too many want-to-be influencers. If that’s their thing, go for it but please be genuine. Put your phone down and enjoy the hike for goodness sake. 2. Hedge funds have started buying up RV parks. Profit before people & families. I understand that people are in business to make money, but there has to be some kind of balance. People who volunteer or work at national parks or RV parks, are generally extremely wonderful people & they are trying to adapt to the new reality and demand. Be kind to them. 3. Probably one of the best points you made was this. RVs that were built pre-Covid are much more reliable and built better than any new RVs today. This is a known fact in the RV world. 4. Don’t be afraid to share the campground owners with the community. I want to apply the 80/20% rule. 20% of bad RVs are ruining it for the other 80%. Having said that there are some people that are struggling out there but my limited experience has proven to me that they are some of the best & most respectful guests. Safe travels everyone.
I'd wager the RV Manufacturing Association has a [secret] deal with select RV Resorts forcing as you said, the decrease in value (trade in) for older RVs forcing RV owners to buy newer RVs. This practice is not unheard of in other industries. The challenge is proving it.
@@kidynamite58 and/or have in addition to owning a % in the specific rv resort they may own a % in the holding company that owns multiple rv resorts to keep this requirement at the level of the parent company to keep the employees of the resort in the dark
It makes you wonder if we can contact a state legislator to create some kind of set of laws to prevent this practice, as it can be argued like the video says, cause wastefulness, and discriminate between RV owners arbitrarily. Being a full time RV owner, I'm recognizing that we don't have as many protections as someone who lives in a brick and mortar apartment.
@@stephenscorzo I'm sure the RV companies have lobbyists who keep state and federal congressmen and representatives in their pockets. Nobody represents the little guy anymore.
While I'm not an RVer, when my wife and I were looking to get into RVing we found that getting a well kept older used model was the way to go for us. Before we bought we checked into several RV parks in areas we were interested in just to find out that most won't allow an RV over 10 yrs old, some were generous and would allow up to 15yr old. This stopped us from getting an RV since we didn't want to spend the huge amount on a new rig of lesser quality.
Guess I watched this one day too late. I meticulously veted several options this past week, almost purchased a new one, but then found a used one immaculately cared for and with only one tiny scratch on the frame paint, it is 11 years old but looks outstanding. Completely agree with you an older well cared for RV is the best way to go, now just have to find a campground that allows such a unit into it.
Our DP is now 12 years old and when we run into a campground that has an age restrictions, we just tell them “No Thank You” and put the name in our journal and pass it on when we find like minded people so they do not run into that situation.
@@raymondcasso7966 Portal RV Resort, Moab, Utah. That is the only one we have run into since we went on the road last October and we stay at a different campground every week. So far 25 states and 12,000 miles.
I just came across your video because of the title. We are in Australia, and I really hope that campgrounds here will NOT start this rule. Since the Cov** thing a lot has changed here in Australia as well, especially the pricing. So many campgrounds increased their prices in a way that no 'normal' family would be able to go there like they used to do. It's just not affordable anymore. You are absolutely right in terms of sustainability. Why should a fully functional and perfect vehicle be sent to the wrecker place, just because it is too old to be parked on a certain campground? It sounds like these operators are driven by politics behind the scene, if you look at the bigger picture. Especially if more and more campgrounds/caravan or rv parks changing to this rule. On the other hand, perhaps see it that way: they don't deserve and get your money. Spend it on businesses who deserves it. Happy travels and greetings from down under.
we looked at buying an RV to tour the USA. when we found out a used RV would be denied access at a lot of RV parks, we quickly decided to NOT buy one. these parks are putting themselves out of business!
That’s unfortunate. I had no idea it was that common. I’ve been looking at older RVs because I’m not a millionaire. It’s sad that even RV camping is now for the wealthy only. I guess they’re trying to keep the “riff raff” (Full time van dwellers, some of whom might be homeless otherwise) out, but it seems like if the RV is in running condition, it’s not a situation where someone is running a lab out of their broken down old camper that’s on blocks. Because it actually functions enough to drive them to the campground!
@@CuteBirdAwarenessLeague Buy what you like regardless of age and go camping. There are thousands of places you can go to that have very few restrictions.
We have a 1984 Yellowstone. It is immaculate for its age. We love older campers and motorhomes. Built better they are. We knew about some having age limits but had not even thought about it hurting resale / resale value. These HIGH AND MIGHTY campgrounds need to be BOYCOTTED and or sued for discrimination and devaluing campers / RV'S. In the end we do not have to nor will we ever support such a campground. Love your videos. Safe travels to you all.
They have the right to association, meaning they can set rules like this, or prices to keep out a clientele they don’t want. But boycott is the name of the game.
@@tylerfb1I'm not so sure anymore. Yes there are currently no laws in place limiting private property owners from doing this, but no one has been sued yet. One could argue that if this is in fact a right then HOAs could force you to rebuild your home, regardless of its condition and simply because of its age. While i agree, and most rv park owners also agree, that a camper older than 10 years is subject to an approval process, the are some places that blanket deny simply on age. They seem to be very rare though because the community is straight up 1 starring them over it.
I’m also have a classic RV it’s a 1994 and the parts are kind of hard to find if you don’t mind me asking where I can find parts for my classic pusher I would appreciate it thank you and happy camping safe travels
We should press the campground routing apps (RV Life, All Stays, Campendium, etc...) to make this a very visible category on each website listing. Including letting people know that there are no age restrictions, as opposed to just omitting the rating. I have a 2020 (not $1.5m) but would be happy bypassing any restrictive campgrounds. Plus that is important information for people with the older trailers to know. I never pay attention but cannot recall noting any campgrounds with age restrictions in RV Life.
Unfortunately with how popular RVing has become, there are others who will game this system to their advantage and gladly stay in a park with all newer than 10 year coaches, yuppy campers.... It's a shame, but those people are out there....
Great idea! If we stay at a campground and notice they have age restrictions in their rules, we should leave a review mentioning these restrictions and give them an average rating.
Just got out of the rv life beginning of this year. The amount of ways they are discriminating against campers is RIDICULOUS! You are only touching the tip of the ice berg. What till you experience the discrimination again your family size in the amount of people. That they allow to camp. They even do this at state parks! We have 10 children under 15 but we were denied so much it literally forced us out of our travels. I’m glad you did this video exposing the not so glam side of rv life .
maybe they wanted to avoid all the noise that to many kids can cause in a site? did you ask them why? are the sites pretty tight? that could cause problems for older ones perhaps? there could be alot of reasons, while I understand that campgrounds need some regulation to avoid alot of problems (which ir probably why the rule exists) many are worried about the tanks leaking etc, maybe they had people come and cause problems? I dont think they are trying to discriminate but have to consider the other guests perhaps? i am thinking there were alot of problems and they had to regulate against it, perhaps? i understand wanting to have fun but sometimes that fun can decrease the fun for others? I dont know never owned a park or even used one.
RV age restrictions even more frustrating now considering new RVs are plagued with major quality issues. A well-maintained, 15-year-old coach is likely to be better than something built since about 2019. Pressuring people to unload rigs that are in great shape and paid for in order to use something with worse build quality they have to pay tons of money for seems counterproductive. And big time thumbs up on the environmental impact of pressuring people to buy huge, new RVs when they already have one that's perfectly fine.
I 100% agree. We had a very well maintained 08 and traded up only to get a 22 with more problems than the 08. The kicker was we only traded because we were getting rejected from lower 48 parks for age restrictions. Otherwise I miss the 08 and liked it better.
Our RV inspector also works in the service department at one of our local RV dealership. He told us don’t buy anything post Covid /2020. He said everything was mass produced to keep up with the demand. He said it’s all junk. He thinks this will put some of the manufacturers out of business. Nobody will be buying them once the public starts researching RV and TT. They will be buying used. Making for older models forcing the age discrimination obsolete. 🤞
@@mikecagle984 it wouldn't be the first time RV makers took over their industry, predatorily. It happened in the 70s when one major bought the rest. It's possible they are subsidizing losses, if any, for instituting age restrictions. Perhaps it works also as advertising within a defined market segment- to see the new bling all around may encourage Jonesing or competitive upbuying.
This rule is great. Allows rest of us to buy older RVs much cheaper and helps me finding RV campground where there is lower chance to encounter snobby super rich RVers that I try to avoid.
We have been full timing for 18 years. We retired our fifth wheel and it is on a lot in Casa Grande Arizona. We now travel in a big arctic fox truck camper. Our truck is a 5500 Dodge and we had a special utility bed built and then we purchased our truck camper. Total cost was $118,000. We were turned away from four different RV parks over the years because we had a “truck camper“. Yet there were permanent residents at the campground living in old RVs that did not look roadworthy. Another campground turned us down because we had a cat. They allowed dogs but didn’t allow cats. We even told him we don’t allow our cat outside that he would stay in the RV. They never gave us a reason.
I stayed in a campground in Buena Vista some years ago. They followed you to the spot and checked for any leaks. We had a water leak from the water hose and had to shut water off till we could fix it ( no washer….😅.) I did appreciate the fact that they cared about that kind of stuff. At the time, there was no age related restrictions…..
One of the biggest things I don't like about those policies is, say you are comfortably retired, living the dream in a new unit that isn't affected bt that policy, but your kids or friends who have units that are affected. So, you won;t be able to camp with family and friends due to that discrimination!
Yeah I thought the point of family camping was to pile out of the RV into lawn chairs around a campfire roasting hotdogs, playing guitar and telling stories while the kids ran around and went to bed late. I guess this is sheer horror to the 1% now, to which everyone is pandering. And that's the relevant issue: the stratification of wealth at the top. You either worked for your money or earned it passively through investments; making for unrelateable ghost stories. Wealth simply strums a different folk tune.
I'm with you. Age-restricting is bad for the economy, the RV community and the environment. We should value older things that are well-built and well-maintained. 👍👍
RV parks are private business and they know what works for them. And it's only certain camps in nicer locations that have the restrictions. I think what they are saying makes a statement about who they want staying in their parks. Most retaurants partk the BMWs and Mercedes in front of the entrance for a reason.
I’m just trying to learn the RV experience. This video is helpful! Seems to me that the community could force sites to tell all, post, such details BEFORE booking. Rejection after the expense to get there is unacceptable.
As a family with a small travel trailer, our unit is 5 yrs old. We camp 3-4 times a year in places 2-6 hrs from home. Our tailer was built just pre-covid and has been solid with relatively no issue in quality. Given the relatively little use, and because we take care of our unit, it's disheartening to hear we may only be 5 yrs away from being blocked from certain parks. Especially when the exact same floor plan is being built today with the exterior nearly the same +/- some color differences. We intend to continue using our TT for the forseeable future. We are typically state park campers, so we haven't encountered this issue..yet, but the closer we get to 10 years, the more it becomes a concern. Next year with be our 6th.
I am 74 years old and traveling solo. I bought a travel trailer within my budget means this past January. Was wanting to camp and bring my K9 companion with me. Well, my travel trailer is a vintage 1962 model, it is in very good condition with a decent enough paint job. Not the colors I would have chosen, but nor is it a psychedelic paint job either. In doing research while doing a few minor interior modifications, I did find out to inquire about the 10 year rule. In doing so - before I could ever even hit the road with my travel trailer - I was given two rejections due to the age of the travel trailer (not me lol). My dog is acceptable!! The campgrounds were in Houston and Dallas Texas. I had family & friends there. I wanted to stay for four - five days and visit. That’s it and the rates weren’t cheep either. One place wanted a picture, and I complied. The other just repeated that they had a 10year rule. This has deterred me from going camping a little, and I am very disappointed. I am now having to limit my stays to state parks, burea of land management land, etc. I was hoping for a clean & safe place to stay for a few days at a time, and travel a bit. I will do more research and inquiries as to where me, my k9, and 1962 Tepee travel trailer will be welcomed.
Personally, I don't like snobs and try to avoid them. I can't understand why anyone would want to be around other folks anyway. That's not camping, it's parking in a glorified parking lot surrounded by snooty "people". NO THANKS!
Charity it's a little more complicated than just age, it also involves type of Rv as well. My family have been RV park owners for over 70 years in a town that is a favorite destination. With regard to age of RV, we do have a 15 year limit imposed in the last 4 years. While we have Manager's discretion clause on admissibility the real issue is we have RVs showing up that are on their last leg and the owners intend to park that RV and never leave. When they stop paying rent and electricity for weekly or longer tenants they game the system knowing that an eviction process is required in this state (squatting). Once the judgement is issued to get them out (4 months later) they walk away from what is a pile of RV junk and now it cost $4K to have the unit declared abandoned and re-titled so it can be removed legally. This happens way too much and has become very expensive, so the rule was put into place to reject any RV that didn't have a reasonable market value based on condition or was 15 years old or greater unless the condition exception applied. Every RV is inspected for full functionality before it's allowed into the park for more than a night or two. Units with obvious issues, in other words tenements on wheels are rejected regardless of age. Old units that are clearly restorations or in stellar in condition are admitted no problem. Now on another issue, this RV discriminatory practice didn't just start with RV age, it started with Class A only resorts which personally pisses me off. My personal Fifth-wheel rig is over $250K, young and in like new condition but I'm not allowed to be in the same park/resort as somebody with a $50K FR3 class A. Now let's examine that. I think you're great and provide excellent content objectively.
I personally don't want to stay at any snooty Class A only parks. And by the way my FR3 Class A was $98K brand new in 2019. Can't imagine any for $50K.
@@marksilvestro450 and who pays that cost? That was mentioned in the comment, because the absconding client isn't paying, and owes fees already. The parks can't afford to do this. Unfortunately, some (a minority) are ruining it for the majority, again. The discretion of management is great, if you can find good managers.
100% agree. We have a 2021 model MH, and if this question is asked, we tell them, then tell them that we will take our business elsewhere. it's my money, and I don't intend to use MY money to be around snobs.
This is common, has been sense the 80s and 90s, most time it is not the rv parks fault, it is county or city ordnance. Chatt tn and the county its in hamiltion has the 15 year rule, you got to park in another county if over 15 year old. 15 year old is kind of new rules in the 80s most places where 10year old. Around 2000 lots of places extended the 10 year old rule to 15 year old. Before buying a RV know the age rules, 10 year or older rv has little value, if to be used for camping. Its the law in plenty of places.
Here's the thing: these str the CGs that are the most crowded , rule-ridden, and generally unfriendly anyway. People who go to these locations are often competitive and insular.
I have a 5th wheel dutchman that was built in 84. We take it out for extended weekends. It's old, it looks old and it need a lot of restoring. but it travels down the road good and everything works well, albeit it needs a lot of updates and its getting that. Me and the wife take our kids out for extended weekends and have a wonder full time. What it doesn't have is tv's, wifi, or a working radio. And the stove has never been used. What it does have is a few board games, a deck of cards for rainy days, a bike rack, and the essential's to cook over the pit. (don't through your trash in the pit please)... and last but not least relaxing lawn chairs. The best thing it has is smiling faces and wonderful memory's! And even if I only paid 4k for it, the times we have in it are priceless. I'll probably never sell it and if I get turned down from a camp ground because it squeaked once or its 40 yrs old being pulled by a brand new F350 Then I wont be giving my well earned money to stay there. And I will go down the road to the state grounds!!!
The problem, most state campgrounds are booked full during the summer months unless you get a reservation well in advance, midweek you can sometimes get a spot but weekends are impossible.
@robertsmida9601 you would have to plan months if not a year in advance to get into campgrounds around us on a weekend. The days of, hey let's go camping and fishing this weekend are gone.
Years ago we purchased a 1969 Kencraft travel trailer and spent 2 years redoing the entire plumbing, wiring, exterior, interior, etc. when we were done it was a thing of beauty. All original solid ash paneling, a four burner stove and full size oven, 10 gallon water heater with an expansion tank so the pump wouldn't cycle on and off. the list went on and on. I even gutted the bathroom due to water damage and completely rebuilt it using the original pink tube/shower and chrome finish trim. So sad that some parks are to "high class" to think that anything with age is worthless. Our Kencraft was built like a tank and rode so smooth. They don't build them like that anymore.
The age limit also discourages people from wanting to RV for the first time since they would probably be used, as I know it will for me. Some RV parks should promote that they take older RVs as a marketing ploy.
I first encountered this 7-years ago in Pennsylvania. I was able to stay the winter, but was asked to leave in the spring. I was told no long-term spots were available for RVs older than 10-years old. I was told that it was for insurance reasons. I have a 1996 45-foot Newell Coach that is now worth about $85k, but when new it was $900k, that is a diesel pusher with no gas. It is an entirely electric coach except that it does have a heater that can use diesel if not plugged in. My old coach was worth more than half of the RVs at the park I was staying at. I asked if I could store it there and I was refused. I carry upper limits comprehensive & collision coverage and a $1M umbrella policy, and that did not matter. The place I was staying at is Oak Grove Park & Sales in Hatfield, PA. Another group that is restricted from entering RV Parks are the folks that have skoolies, school buses that are converted into RVs. The big problem with this restriction is that why would anyone buy one if the useful life is only 10-years? There would be no resale/trade-in value and if you bought one gently used (under 5-years old), you would a have limited time of use. The RV Manufacturers should be fighting this tooth and nail and parks that have this policy should be boycotted until they change their policy.
If I owned a Campground and my insurance company came at me with crap like that...I would ditch them and find another insurance company not trying to tell me how to run my business.
My wife’s aunt and uncle owned an RV park in OR back in the ‘90’s. They didn’t allow converted school buses either. They did at first, but had too many bad experiences with hippy types using drugs in the campground (it’s Oregon, the state is full of them), so stopped letting them in. We loved going up to stay with them.
I think there needs to be a list posted on the internet so everyone can see. Those even with newer RVs might avoid too. This rule is totally discrimination.
I agree and would add that if we all stuck together and avoided them because of their discrimination (and made it known that we were avoiding them), they might rethink their policy. I don’t think the policy is horrible but I think there should be photo exceptions like the examples you showed in your video. In an age of high debt families and being pressed from all sides, I don’t like that some rv parks are making this “”too old” policy
I have a 1989 5th wheel towed by a 1996 truck. I recently returned home from an approximately 1000 mile round trip. I do keep my RV in good shape although it isn’t perfect as replacement parts can be hard to get like fender flairs. Does my truck and RV work fine? Of course. Was it the oldest in the parks I went too? No.
I often roll into campgrounds after-hours and it’s never been a problem with I just set-up quietly in an empty spot, pay in the morning and then hit the road. About 15 years ago I rolled into a nearly empty one in South Carolina once that had the nicest landscaping and bathhouse I’ve ever seen. I climbed into my homemade camper that I was pulling with my vintage truck and was awakened at dawn by an unhappy security guard who informed me that campground was for “million dollar and up RV’s” and that I had to go. I offered to pay the nightly fee and he told me just to leave immediately before they towed me. Your content is great! Thank you!
This is an issue close to my heart as I am 74, and live in an RV, in an RV park. My reason is to live tiny, within decent distance from work (yes, I still work. I love my job and don't intend to retire.) My home is now 11 years old, I've owned it for going on 4 now. I want to keep living in this particular RV, I keep it well maintained, just like you would any other home, and don't want to replace it. I'm sure this will become an issue at some point. Thank you for this video and I hope that the discussion continues as time goes on.
This video kind of outlines the problems we face as full time RV owners. We don't quite have the same rights and protections as people who live in a brick and mortar apartment. It also affects people, a lot of people that our my neighbors are retired pensioners, people who have to migrate between jobs, and this would absolutely hurt them if they had pulled up and had been kicked out. It's a practice that I hope some legislation fixes, I think we need legal representation and a voice out there.
@@andreeahoudini5908 are you saying homeless people are getting denied? because rv resorts are very expensive and most likely out of their price range, its out of mine as i'm cheap and refuse to pay for amenities that i'm not going to use, I like state parks.
@andreeahoudini5908 most "homeless" people aren't blessed enough to have so much as a tent to pitch, no pot to piss in, nor window to throw it out. So, those whom are fortunate to have an RV, regardless of condition, are a step ahead. On either front, they should not be discriminated, punished, or looked down upon as lesser humans - as your comment comes crossed. 😢 Not all "homeless" people are so of their own choosing. 🙄 😒 😑 Nor are many able, let alone willing, to go into hock till their great grandchildren are grown to live beyond their means in order to keep up with the Joneses. Before countering with maintenance, blah, blah, blah, that costs money, physical ability, n a generally clear head - which are impacted purely by virtue of being "homeless." Suffice it to say, mental health is the culprit to many a woes when homeless, especially when coupled with the stigmas of homelessness. It's sad to constantly hear such negative references regarding homeless people. It sounds like being homeless is criminal. Well, the only criminal component of homelessness I see is that it exists in a country that is so rich n has seemingly more vacant properties than homeless people to occupy them. I understand that some homeless people are so of their own choosing, or due to poor choices in life. They bare the brunt of paying the piper... That's not the case for the majority...😢 If they are "parked on the side of the road in beat up rvs," I guarantee you it's not their first choice. A beat up rv is better than a doorway, park bench, or bush. This video isn't about homeless or poor folks with substandard rvs, though. If folks of reasonable means n nice, well maintained rvs are restricted, due to the age, can you not imagine why there are those "beat up rvs" on the side of the road? "You don't know what it's like till you're there." "Empathy goes a long way." ✌️
@@alicial6072sadly, many state parks are quite discriminatory towards homeless people - on so many levels. 😢 😔 Then, there's the issue that even when the homeless can manage to pay to stay, most do so at the expense of having enough to afford maintenance on their rvs, if they are lucky enough to have one. ✌️
So the owner of a private campground shouldn't be aloud to have a their own rules??? Come on. If you disagree with a rv resort rules then don't go there. However, saying it should be illegal is flat out crazy talk.
First of all, I love the shirt you're wearing!! Our RV is less than 5 years old and if some campground asks us for the age of our camper we go elsewhere. Somebody needs to build a campground for nostalgic RVs or something.... You can't get in if your camper is newer than 5 years old? I absolutely love well kept nostalgic RVs! .... Those who own them should be able to show them off!
We RV'ers are all sick and tired of both sides of this issue. Some older RV's and some newer ones look like falling apart junk and should be in parks. Yes, I know that sometimes, (like mine), it's all we can afford, but I'm one of the many, many, many repairing and fixing mine up. I've heard "camp rules," "state law," "insurance," till my ears ache. No state I know has laws against 10 year old RV's staying in RV parks. SHARE the names of the RV parks. When we all start "going elsewhere" with our money, only then things will begin to change.
Actually, California has begun implementation of Senate Bill 210. This law mostly effects commercial trucks, but it also applies to diesel pusher RVs like mine. And as you suggested, I have no intention of going into California again.
@@jeffbyrd7976 The person you replied to didn't suggest not going to California, you brought that up. The ban is for semis and buses over 14,000 lbs and manufactured prior to 2010. It has to do with the amount of pollution in the air caused by these older, diesel vehicles, nothing to do with how they look. I don't understand why you're trying to conflate two separate issues.
I really enjoyed this video. WE purchased a 2005 Sunline and completely renovated it. It is much better than the newer ....um....crap....we had looked at prior to our purchase. This is very sad. Many years ago, when I was traveling as a single mom and took my kids all kinds of places in a tent. We met some of the best folks, who were camping near us, in their big Class A's, and we were just in a tent. So the community thing is a major deal. It is what made me want to explore and travel even more. I loved meeting new folks from all walks of life. I agree, that is the glue and the foundation of us nomads.
My wife and I were rejected a few times by parks, because we had a truck camper. Mind you it was a brand new Host Mammoth and F-450, with a combined value of $155K, the stigma of the run down, leaking TC exists and frankly made us mad. Even with photos and validation of its age, they said no. We ended up in all occasions, literally camping down the road, at the next facility, who were more than happy with us being there. One site actually said they opened because of their neighbors restrictive nature and have been booming ever since. We've since sold that set up and are going back in with a small TT.
Refusing RV's also affects the local economies. Fewer RV'ers means less money for the towns the parks and resorts are in. Business people need to think about that too.
I agree once we stop using these companies they will be forced to rethink their rule of age, how dare you refuse because I don’t want to be in debt… I will not go to these places even though mine is an 2018, because we have to stick together
There are plenty of RVs. Nobody's business is being hurt. You guys are delusional to think that denying a few old RVs makes a bit of difference to a communities economy. The fact is, most people with older RVs are also much more frugal and spend less money in those communities.
RV Parks can be quite cruel. Some of them can kick you out because your door is too loud, something you can't fix easily or prove for that matter is you. I think we need legal representation and laws to protect RV owners from despicable RV Parks.
My wife and I own a newer travel trailer and I completely agree with you. So, when I am planning a trip, I try to only use State Park Campgrounds or COE Campgrounds and try not to use Independently owned Campgrounds.
I just bought a 26 year old 25’ class A and setting it up for boondocking. (Solar, lithium batteries etc etc) and plan to camp at national/state parks, blm and such. I’m so over campgrounds. The costs and lack of a camping experience is what drove me in this direction.
We have a 1965 Airstream Globetrotter. It’s beautiful and functional. Everywhere we go people come up to talk to me about it. They want to look inside and everyone loves it. I haven’t been turned down by an RV park for age yet, but I heard it could happen. I could have a new one, but ours is so cool, why would I?
The person who commented and who's family has owned an RV park for generations is spot on about the squatter issue. Perhaps what truly needs to happen is campground owners (and associations) in these particular states where the laws work against the Cg owners from getting rid of squatters need to lobby for changing the laws or creating one's excluding campgeounds. Campground sites are more akin to the renting of a hotel room than an apartment or house. A campgeound owner should be able to call a tow truck and tow out a squatter within a much shorter time if the camper fails to pay accordingly or has major system failure that could cause health and safety issues for all involved. This would get to the root of the real issue and fear of getting saddled with squatters or unsafe rigs. ANOTHER THOUGHT TOO...if asked the agent of your rig, turn around and ask the campground what year was their last electrical upgrade? Age of their bath houses and septic systems? Is their pool and hot tub operational and open? Hmmmmm??? Cheeky yes but fair that we expect modern up to date services for our site fees.
Nice clap-back and I'm saving this in my head if it ever comes up! I can never think these things up on my own. Southern girl and my default is to Thank Someone even if they're rude to me. 🙄
I agree, I think that you should have access to their systems too. I can't imagine a nice 2025 model RV going into some RV Resort that has inadequate power that can overload their electrical, or powerful dirty water, all which I've encountered from some nice parks. I think things should work both ways. I ultimately think that pricing out RVers is a big mistake and will ultimately fail as a business plan because no one wants RVing to be like Gulfing. That and in modern times living in an RV is a viable survival option than homeownership for many young people or retirees (two common demographics).
I am 76, my camper is 52. My little 13 foot Scotty is in better shape than when it was built. Many upgrades to better and safer equipment. I am on the road an average six days a month; one time recently a 31 day winter trip. My camper is in the most beautiful condition and the Vintage appeal is outstanding. I have been using and restoring these older campers for over 30 years and enjoy them greatly. Total investment on this one about $4000 for four plus years of use. Show me one of these modern vehicles that will still be around at that age. Only ever had one age problem but that went away after they really looked at it. If it passes all DOT requirements then that should be the only requirement. The problem is the RV snobs that don't feel they should have to be parked next to an older one. Campers use to be friendly, helpful and clean. I can't drive any more and am glad my time is over because the future for us looks sad. I wish you all smooth roads, great weather and a cozy camp fire. Go say Hi to the people on both sides of you.
I gotta 2000 winnebago and i've sunk in money on it. I think it's better to just look at the state of RVs rather than the age, because i've seen nasty newer ones too.
The park that I have a permanent spot in allows everything from car camping to million dollar buses. Also has a primitive tent camping area. It also has mobile homes and tiny houses for those of us with long term leases.
For rv parks to have this ten year rule is just outrageous! My wife and my policy is screw them! We go elsewhere! We own a tiffin motorhome that’s ten years old but looks like the day we purchased it! My god these rv parks should be boycotted! Who’s going to start a website that begins the boycotts? Let’s name them All and pass it around!
It's been our experience that the age restricted campgrounds are usually the higher priced options, so we avoid them. While a boycott might deter some, elitests will want to go there to avoid us "trailer trash". I'd rather avoid those folks anyway.
Why are you so worried about a few parks that don't allow older RVs. There are plenty that do allow old RVs. KYD was just at an Airstream only RV park and I didn't see a single comment about how outraged other RVers were that they weren't allowed in to that park. Some restaurants require dress codes and they can deny you if you don't comply. What's the difference?
Driving yesterday I saw an oldtimer like me driving a 1950's station wagon that was immaculate. Other cars were taking pictures of his ride. Dude was living the dream.
Most RV campgrounds are worried about an RV catching fire from electrical, I have a 1997 Holiday Rambler Alumalite Custom and replaced all electrical outlets to GFCI outlets and replaced all water shutoff valves to newer 1/4 turn as well as complete rebuild better than any new RV and a lot of people do this and still they are refused at campgrounds ridiculous.
10 years ago I bought a 1994 Coachmen Destiny 34' diesel pusher. It was ridden hard and put up wet - used as a permanent home with a household toilet to boot. It ran great with excellent mileage and with multiple upgrades (e.g. immediately changing to an RV toilet and then totally replacing the rotting, wood-framed basement with custom welded aluminum frame and doors). In 2013 we used it to take our pre-teen granddaughters on a 5-week tour. It cruised at a leisurely 62 mph averaging 10 mpg; boondocking twice and camping at multiple RV parks through almost all the states east of the Mississippi and Canada without issues. I never gave its age a thought; back then it probably wasn't a "thing". Two years ago I had to "retire" it when a careless deer attacked the front valence causing damage that couldn't be replaced and rebuilding would exceed its insurance value ($21K). So now solo, with my 2021 21DS TT (a Forest River "Max", towed by 2005 Silverado "Mabel"), I learn that it probably has 7 years of usable life left. I'm 82 and it'll probably be unsafe for me to drive, let alone tow by then, so I'm lucky in that I can "let it go to pot" and still be able to spend lots of money on "high class" RV parks if I want to - NOT! My choice of where to rest my head while trekking is at a reasonably priced, full hookup RV park wherever I happen to be - along the road less traveled...
Although one RV Park asked the age of our trailer, they never verified it during check-in. So our trailer will always be only 8 years old when making reservations. 😅
lol, that's exactly what crossed my mind while I was watching this. Even though it'll never apply to me, I have a 17' 1995 Roadtrek ... which I love. They can keep their snooty resorts and I'll keep my $$! Their loss. I'm a quiet, clean, respectful, low-maintenance camper lady.
I spoke to someone that owns and operates an RV Park, she said that the reason there is an "age restriction" on RV's is not because it is old or ugly, it is because that often people abandon their RV's and Campers at campgrounds if the amount of renewal is more expensive than the value of the camper. Though I was surprised that someone would abandon their campers, it made sense that it could be a problem. I have an '87 Gulfstream Sunsport that has been renovated, so mine is pretty nice and is very solid and I would never leave it. Too much "blood, sweat and tears" as well as resources in this Rig to leave it behind.
I apologize, no offense meant, but I find that hard to believe - that a person would make a reservation just in order to abandon the trailer. Seems like a lot of expense and trouble to go through, when that sort of unethical behavior would be achieved for even less by just driving out into the sticks and abandoning it there. (Which we have seen near our home, btw...)
My parents had a campground where they ended up crushing 2 campers that were left behind. I would ask for pics and then decide. Private campgrounds are required to rent a site.
@@noodgenoodgerson2660 In the more populated parts of the Northeast there aren't many sticks left where someone wouldn't notice an abandoned vehicle. The land owner has to deal with getting rid of it. More complicated if it has a title. If you junk your old vehicle it usually costs.
This is unbelievable. I was not aware of those restrictions. Makes me furious as I am new to RV'ing. Recently retired after a long professional engineering career. Having no family left (just me and my dog) I dreamed of traveling, exploring, and seeing the entire US. Learning now that my travel plans will be restricted because I bought an older RV (it's better than what I could have bought new for the same investment) is disillusioning to say the very least. Thank you for your video. It's enlightening.
We just got an older camper when my mom passed away we decided this would be a great way to honor her My belief this would be family time. THANK U for your video s
Interestingly it's not just RV campgrounds that have the 10-year age limit. In trucking there are some customers that will reject trailers that are over 10 years old, including Ford Motor Company and International Paper. So it makes me wonder where the 10-year age limit came from, who came up with 10 years?
I’m an older RV’er and never stayed at a “fancy resort “ type park, but my 1970’s, clean, remodeled class C RV was refused at even some no frills parks.
I used to be an apartment manager for a very large national management company. We had to take classes on discrimination - and how to avoid it at all costs. Everyone must be treated the same. The only qualifiers were passing a credit and crimminal check. You could not be disqualified because you wore old clothes or had a classic car parked in the drive. My point is: One good discrimination lawsuit will take care of this nasty little problem; it's just a matter of time before some resort gets hit with a very expensive discrimination lawsuit.
Unfortunately I don’t believe that it would apply in this situation since the people are welcome but not their equipment … I don’t agree with these policy’s at all nor do I understand them New rv’s break and breakdown all the time so it’s not like they can make a valid claim of risking having one stuck on their site … maybe they are trying to avoid people abandoning old ones at parks ?!
What would be very entertaining, would be yearly visitors with the same rig who has been welcomed with open arms for several years suddenly being told that they are no longer acceptable. Needs to be someone with ties into the legal or justice system or the money and good friends of same. Kind of like the speed trap Village on the west side of Columbus Ohio, they finally pulled over the wife of a congress critter on the flimsiest of reasons. That community no longer exists, they were primarily making money off of traffic stops.
@@greygoose4x46 My guess is that at one time a junk RV broke down and the owners just abandoned it to the resources and cost of the park to remove it. There are some horrible-looking RVs parked in the trees that don't even look livable so I understand what the park owners are trying to avoid. If Charity and Ben don't do some research into this then we'll never know (from them) the reason. I asked them to interview the park owners and to find out what prompted this "rule."
Not all discrimination is illegal. It's not illegal to discriminate on the basis of an RV's age. So a lawsuit would not be successful. (Not saying I agree with this lousy practice -- I don't. Just saying that a lawsuit wouldn't go anywhere.)
My parents had an older Winnebago that they purchased used. My father was a mechanic so he had no doubt that he could keep it running. I am so glad that they did not experience this type of discrimination.
We have heard about this situation, one time we had to send them a picture of our RV, our motor home is 2003, we have never had a problem like that but we are not living 24/7 as we were 2 years ago. Our MH is not the best looking but it is not falling apart either. As some commenters said that our older models are made so much better than the newer ones. My son has owned 3 brand new RV's and has been in the shop so many more times than our "older" MH. Good video, much needed. New subscriber here BTW 😉😉
if I were a campground owner, I would encourage vintage RV and camper owners to come to my campground. Like you said some of these older models are literally works of art on wheels. The love and care that is embellished onto these classic models shows by the pride, the owners having them. The fact that they have been updated to still be used for their original function as a testament to their craftsman ship, and to the owners who maintain them. I would even go so far to set up different sections in the campground to where people that had 50s and 60s campers camp together. 70s and 80s campers the same. But only if they want to. Make each section fit to the time where you can park. I can’t help but wonder do they have a restrictions on vehicles at the campground? What if someone owns a 57 Chevy coupe? Are they not allowed to park it there?
I agree. My first experience with arrogant RV parks was when we were traveling with a brand new popup camper. "Sorry, only Class A motor homes allowed." Now we travel with a 10+ year old hybrid camper. It's in pristine condition with new decals and canvas. If they don't want our business, fine. Honestly we prefer military campgrounds but everyone can't do that. We also have large batteries and an inverter generator so we can boondock too. We have crossed the Country several times since I retired five years ago. Most campgrounds are 90+% filled with full-time residents. People are living in campgrounds, not travelling full-time but living in a camper stationary. In California and similar regions RV parks are always full so they can choose the big money customers and I can drive right by.
I had heard about this practice and it is a bit concerning considering that my wife recently bought an air stream to fix up that is from 1977. It is crazy to think that we would be denied or have to "audition" to spend our money at a campground. I guess they are trying to keep out the riff raff, the unwashed, the uncouth? Personally we like seeing the old classics that are well kept and still providing lots of smiles to their owners.
I agree. Aren't these restrictions meant to keep the riffraff out? In this case, however, they have a mint-condition RV worth more than most of the others. There should be some kind of exception to these rules for classic restored and mint RV's.
I wouldn't worry about it. My wife and I have been camping since 1992 and have only found 2 or 3 like this. We've found more motorhome and 5th wheel only campgrounds ( no travel trailer) than age restrictions. Have a Jesus filled day Greg in Michigan
I completely agree with you having experienced the same discrimination in our travels down the west coast. We were fortunate in one place because it was their off-season, so most of their regular guests were not there, and being late at night...and pouring rain... the person took pity on us and parked us in a back corner where we couldn't be easily seen... and we were only there overnight. Fortunately, a lot of places up here in Canada haven't adopted that rule...yet... but I can see the writing on the wall, so we just purchased a new-to-us 2020 class A so we don't get stuck with our plans over the next 4 years as we enter retirement.
The first campground I tired to get into asked me what the year of my rig was then told me no because it was too old. I ran into two more like that in the Tacoma area of Washington. One was Rainier View RV park and the lady told me that they just adopted the ten year rule and while I may see some rigs that are older than ten years old, once they leave they can't come back. Quite frankly, the very few in the Tacoma area that didn't have age restrictions were RV ghettos. A lot of parks I've looked at plainly state age restriction apply. I don't hate on them over it, I just move on but my rig is outfitted for boondocking with solar so I could care less if they want me in their park or not. Full hookups is a nice luxury I enjoy occasionally but I don't have to have it. I've asked about the reason for age restrictions and they said it was because, for one, there's some serious ghetto rigs running around and I can understand that because I've seen them. We're not talking about nice, well taken care of rigs. I've seen rigs such as a Class C with the entire cab over area duct taped. A lot of older rigs have roof issues and when it rains they cover the roof with any tarp they can find. It makes the whole park look ghetto. Now you're on vacation for a few weeks and have your kids with you and the park put next to a rolling crack house, what are you going to think? Age restrictions also means they can charge more for a site. Where I used to use the dump station I sked what they get for a site and they told me $85 a night. I choked and that was about 4 years ago. This place in Ventura, California was right next to highway 101 and that highway gets noisy. Another reason I've been given for age restrictions is rigs older than 10 years old tend to break down more often than those that are less than ten years old. I know, I know, not My rig but they're just going with the numbers like insurance companies do. They don't want their vacationing guest, or any other guests, having to hear someone working on their rig. Finally, if they use an arbitrary reason such as X years old then they can dodge the discrimination bullet. They don't have to justify why they didn't want to rent a site to you in particular. There's no racial, religious, sexual identity, or any other members of the protected classes they have to fear if they don't rent them a site. They just say they have RV age restrictions, no matter who you are. I can understand a lot of their rationale even though it may not apply to me but that's life and I just move on. If they don't want me then fine, I don't want to be where I'm not wanted anyhow. I hope all this helps understand their point of view.
Even at that, it kind of creates RV classes where there shouldn't be. I think that it punishes people for trying to find a viable economical choice in these hard times to live in. It's kind of like if you have a neighborhood of people who are black and Hispanic, and you want to keep them out of your neighborhood by doing something like checking credit or looking at names on the applications and deleting them because they're Hispanic. Yes I see their point of view, but if this isn't resisted or fought against, this can impact the ecosystem of RV Traveling. As it is, I think we don't have as many protections as someone who lives in a apartment does.
@@stephenscorzo True; but the level of rent charged for an apartment in a high-end building in a prime location also perpetuates class divisions. Home prices in the best neighborhoods keep out the poor and even the middle class. It's the way the world works.
The Retreat at Shady Creek is like this. They have a FIVE year limit on their rigs. It’s over $1,000 a month. Our RV is 6 years old and very very clean and better looking than half of the rvs in there. We were refused entry. I talked to local residents and they said just say it’s newer than that, but I didn’t want to lie and quite honestly give them a dime of my money because of their restrictions and rudeness. We stayed closer towards Dallas and loved it much more.
This is one of many reasons why I'm building a stealth box truck camper and will be staying off grid year round. RVing has changed so much for the negative since I last owned one 10 years ago.
I refused to leave and told them I'm sueing for discrimination..the karen called police, they made let me stay cuz j drove 1500 miles with no reservation. J just showed up! I also had bank put stop payment on check along with CC, afterwards telling them I didn't get services I was supposed to pay for any further action they could deal with my attorney, never heard back from them again. You need to fight these discrimination places
Amen!! We have a 2022 (made in September 2021) Jayco Jay Flight SLX Baja. I guess we must have gotten the first one to be produced or it was used as a parts trailer. The solar wires were not run where they were supposed to be. We've had 2 recalls - one which we brought to their attention for an inverted flame on the burner while using the heater. Another was a propane tank valve. Now we found out their AC put in it is not placing the excess water outside the trailer but in-between the walls. Windows aren't sealed. And the whole frame is leaning. Thankfully we don't rely on going back to an RV repair location. My husband and I will fix it ourselves.
I would really have a problem, my tow vehicle is 46 years old and travel trailer is 23! I have never been refused mostly because we don't tend to stay at "RV Resorts". We are traveling to see what's outside the resort ,and don't have the time or desire to use the restore "amenities". We are looking for a safe place to park.
We have been camping for over 30 years now,but one thing we drew the line at was camping above our means like in an RV Resort,we camp in state parks mostly and have never missed having the experience of staying in an over priced over evaluated resort,we camp with the common everyday working class people and stay within our league knowing we don't feel comfortable living above our means or possibly someone thinking we thought we were better than them
I said something similar! We have beautiful state parks here in Ohio. Very affordable and some can handle these big rig full hookups. We used to go to Florida every year. Gave up on that in 2012! Too hot and crowded even in January!
You're not alone. I have a classic 1989 HMC Hawkins Motor Coach 31 foot Class A motor coach. It was $225,000 in the 1980's. It looks better than most of the newer ones in Parks and campgrounds. However, I finally found a great place. Thousand Trails RV Resort. The South Beach Oregon location will take a look at your rig and give you the okay or no. There's not a really strict policy here.
We have a 2007 but we take great care of it and renovated the whole inside and keep up w the outside and we have also ran into this problem! It’s so frustrating!
I live in Western Washington and had a 1997 Class A and I lied about its age if a park asked. It was absolutely beautiful outside. Traded it in for a 5th wheel for more room, I need 2 bathrooms. You are absolutely correct about vehicle age discrimination. We only upgraded because we now live full time.
I also wonder if these rules have to do with the areas there around. I lived in california and palm springs had a few of these kinds of places, it just kind of was a get a way for the older rich folks when you visited them.
I have an 84 BlueBird Wanderlodge that is close to a twin of the one KYD had. It's my dream RV and I did not want anything newer than an 86. I think if they want to keep uncared-for RVs out, they should have something like "please include recent picture if your RV is older than X." I agree with all the points you made, great video!
Enjoyed this video? Subscribe for more! → link.gratefulglamper.com/subscribe
Want More? → video.gratefulglamper.com/youtube/channel/rvlifefavorites
Thank you RV Mattress for sponsoring! Visit rvmattress.com/grateful to get 25% off your mattress with code "grateful"
This looks like classism, and elitism to me.
I understand why you can't call out the camp grounds. But I sure can, if you need help let me know. This is ridiculous and very angering.
Perhaps you could interview the park owners and give a less biased report. There are reasons for these rules. Because of the laws in place in many blue areas there is no way to evict for non-pay situations. Some owners also wish to run a higher end park. I personally prefer 55+, no squatters, junk RV's, dogs and children because I prefer quiet and peace of mind on vacation. I look for parks that fit my desires. You have choices, not rights over business owners. I also like pools that are not full of screaming pissing kids, already raised mine.
The age restriction is why we bought a smaller, new RV.
What kills me is when you arrive at a RV Park/resort and they have old, unkept (at least on the outside) RVs parked in their parks that obviously aren't moving anywhere. There are only a handful of parks like this. Then you have those parks that try to hide the over 10 years old RVs but while exploring the park you find them. At least here in California. I don't understand why there are restrictions for short term stays but then you see these old, falling apart RVs. Why are they there?!?
We have been doing upgrades to our travel trailer only to ensure it's safe and is better than it was when we bought it. And trust me, those with RVs know all of the manufacturing problems that COVID brought on. These new RVs that were being mass produced are crap. Oh sure it looks beautiful when you go to buy it. Then you start discovering all the problems. I thank God everyday for my husband. He was a Journeyman ASE Certified mechanic. He has caught problems before the RV companies have.
Sorry, ma'am, but it's scorched-earth war with snobbery disguised as "throw-away mentality". How these swine must chortle when they sell their 10yo RV for five-figures when they know the buyer will be restricted.
Someone needs to begin cataloging these places and build it into an app as a filter so everyone who cares can deliberately not patronize such places. Voting with your dollars is a powerful action.
We stayed in an upscale “campground” in Vegas. It was absolutely beautiful. The sites were all large, and privately owned. Owners could rent their sites, when they weren’t using them. The campground had restrictions on the age of the units and the type of units allowed. Our unit was a year old, but only 35 feet. It wasn’t as high end as most of the rigs, and was much smaller. We could feel security keeping a close eye on us.
The lists of rules were lengthy. Let me say that most people would not be comfortable camping in that campground - so not allowing older units, and only allowing class A pushers, did everyone a favour. The rules protected the wealthy owners, and ensured a very immaculate, and peaceful stay. They had rules about everything - so plenty of Karen’s to go around.
@@jtb8155 Elitist, I’ve worked on boats my whole life and couldn’t imagine restrictions like this at marinas.
Haha, I just wrote that!
Sounds like a great idea for an app. I've been looking for such an idea, but I really know nothing about rv camping. I have a cot and rarely even bother using a tent.
Here's the thing,. I don't want to be "in community" with the people who make these rules anyway. These are the people who think HOAs are a good idea too.
You nailed it!! Karen's are everywhere !! Ugh!
I agree!!
HOAs, LOL. Fascist micro nations.
That's a good and positive way to look at, but sometimes discrimination is a problem, too.
HOA's are good for keeping house trailers out of your neighborhood. We have an HOA and it's completely useless.
Not willing to name these campgrounds is actually not helping the community. I understand you’re trying to be the “nice guy” but why would you be nice to a company that disrespected you by questioning the quality of your RV? Would you name a Walmart if their security stopped you from going in because you weren’t dressed correctly? Name them.
To not get sued I am guessing
I don’t think you can be sued for a factual statement.
@rickcockcroft7590 until the last couple years I wouldn't have believe it either, but.... people throw "defamation" around these days like frozen water bottles at a NYC block party....
@@mdtomchick1563They have no case if you're telling the truth!
RV park south of Carson city NV has age restrictions
I think many are missing two important points.
First, the RV parks are a private “business.” They can set whatever rules they want as long as they do not violate a local, state, or federal law. Just as a retailer can trespass you, the parks can say they don’t want you.
Secondly, support those that support you. You have a wallet. You also have a voice. You have YT channels, forum/community presence, social media. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
Grass roots campaigns can be and are effective.
And businesses that reject people for dumb reasons should be exposed to the public and BLACKLISTED. If they have the right to deny public accommodation, then customers should have an absolute right to boycott them.
Absolutely correct.
I'm an truck driver. I travel the Country. I see old Bounders, Wonderlodges, and Bus Conversions all the time. And they're in better shape than the new junk rattling down the highway with crooked slideouts, flapping roofs, obvious bent frames, warped siding, and smokin brakes.
Not the ones on the side of the roads in los angeles. Thats is probably what they are trying to avoid.
😘
@@spyder000069 -- The ones on the side of the roads in Los Angelos is an entirely different problem. There are homeless people living in them and most of them won't run anymore. That is an entirely different story not related to this one.
@@lifequest7453 Straight FACTS 😉👍🏽
I agree!
Wow. The older ones were MADE SO MUCH BETTER.
- and the oldies, are repairable (no proprietary fittings, no longer available 2 yeas after production model ceased), craftmanlike interiors. Modern rigs, all staples glue and plastic - fillers and lining materials.
Ours is an aluminum frame, not wood.....
As someone who lived in a 1965 holiday rambler 32’ trailer for two years back in the 1980s… I completely agree with you.
Brought Airstream to my mind!
Why I always buy older rv's.
In 2006 we had reservations at an RV Park in San Diego. We pulled up to check in and were told that we couldn't stay there because of restrictions. Our trailer was a T@b which was quite unique at that time. It was a vintage DESIGN but it was only 6 months old. The 10 year rule was tossed at us. I showed the clerk the title. Still denied and she refused to call the manager. There were no vacancies in any of the other campgrounds and we didn't know at the time how to boondock. Finally, I just refused to leave and told the clerk to either call the manage or the police because I was NOT leaving. A couple of hours later, the manager showed up and put us in a campsite. The sting of discrimination was a useful lesson to me in empathy for others to whom that rule actually did apply.
Which RV park was that?
@@jackstitt1395 I don't remember the name of the RV Park. It was in San Diego and a member of Passport America at that time. It was very nice and had some waterfront sites.
Because this rule is not really about age, it's about maintaining a certain look of affluence. Don't wanna let the poors in.
Horrible. Sorry that happened.
Good for you!
Name and shame. Certainly a business can decide who its customers are but the consumer and community can decide to not patron them at all, with or without a new or old RV.
As someone considering entering the RV community, it’s stuff like this that makes me think twice.
There should be a published list of resorts that have stupid restrictions like this. Let peer pressure put an end to this
You should really think about it the RVs today are made like s***. I'm serious they're made very cheap especially during the pandemic very low quality is what I'm hearing
Don't buy one, especially one of the more expensive new ones if you aren't willing to fix the brakes, replace engine parts or tinker with appliances. Were I alone and unable to repair a larger RV, I would get a camper van that's cheaper and easier to fix, but even with that, you need to know basic maintenance at least. If you aren't willing to learn, do not get one.
@@jamesralph6460 Never purchase an RV that isn't at least 10 years old.
I've heard that also@@jamesralph6460
@jamesralph6460 always been low quality lol
I don't have a problem with campgrounds having rules like this -- it tells you that you probably don't want to be there.
Name & Shame the offending sites.
KOA stands for Karens Out and About 😂
@@AngelAPAVLOVSCornDog 😆
Yeah but what if it becomes a trend and you have a nice older rig and you end up stuck at the side of the road. In theory there's always Walmart but they could close their parking lots one day and then what? I'm no expert. Just wondering.
Walmart's an option - at some locations.
Those are silly rules that you support. Imagine telling those with a car over 15 yrs can't park in a parking lot to go buy groceries. What narrow mind would agree with such a goofy rule of age of a camper?
I tried semi retirement in 2015 w a trip to Florida for the winter, I made reservations for Ocala Fl, paid my first 2 months, upon arrival the very next morning, management showed up w a 12 page contract that I was expected to sign right then and there, without having my coffee, i explained I do no transactions without coffee, breakfast and coffee. The ‘ manager ‘ was indignant, came back 7 mins later and demanded I sign or leave immediately. Without a refund, I called my bank, cancelled the transaction. I went to another campground and was told they don’t accept toyhaulers, but they recommended a campground that did.Upon my 7 months in Florida over that winter I checked out numerous campgrounds as I have done the past. 45 years. About 7% at the time had age restrictions for RVs as well as the vehicle that towed them, Never went back to Florida, I’m a gypsy traveler instead. My home base is Vermont. I should mention I’m 70, I’ve camped for 50 years, I’ve owned 27 RVs to date.
In Texas, Port Aransas, to be exact, there is an RV resort, that not only restricts age, but also length. Your RV must be at least 24 feet, as well as less than 10 years old…
dam, you are a camping badass. if i owned a camping park you would get the royal treatment.
Yeah, sorry but you are not camping.....lol
@@curtbilyeu8701 Thanks for that. My first ‘camper’ if you would call it that, was a Nimrod, a sorta pop up without cables, it was simplistic, ice box, 2 small beds. It was awesome. I lost my Weekend traveler, (a 32’ single slide) amongst other things, July 10, 2023,here in central Vermont due to the flood.
Oh my goodness…I would LOVE to talk to you about RVing in Vermont! My son just moved from TX to Burlington, VT to get his Ph.D. in neurological biology. If you see this, please PM me! I just retired and bought my RV last year. 😊
Yes, I suppose it is camping, but your aerial views of many of these campgrounds show the antithesis of what I want in a camping experience.
Yes. The LAST place I want to stay in is somewhere that bills itself as an "RV RESORT"
@@DS-cv3sw Cool. Great for you. Others love that, especially for kids.
Don't post the name of the campground to shame them - post it so we don't bother attempting to book with them. I love my 2004 Itasca Suncruiser 38R! Won't be talked out of it!
They are forcing themselves a Boycott of these parks.
If you look at the last video of this subject in the comment section I mentioned said campground. Many of the talking points I addressed when I put them on blast. Nobody should have to lie to spend premium dollars to stay in your resort. Ill put my 2004 American Eagle against anything in their campground.
Well said. My thoughts exactly.
Great Idea! Not only that, but the mere presence of Peer Pressure, could very well have a Positive Effect on the RV Industry! Let's DO IT!
No, post the name so those of us who don't have older RVs can actually go to parks that DON'T look like downtown Los Angeles with all their junk RVs. Please boycott all these parks so it frees up space for those of us who are not whiny little babies and want to go to nice parks.
We the RVers must hold these campgrounds accountable. We can't do that without knowing the campgrounds names!
Or you just don't stay at campgrounds with such policies. They are in it to make money. If they aren't making money, they will change their rules.
@@davidandbilliejo4203 Like she said you need names to hold these ppl accountable. Of course you won't stay at that campground. We need to make sure this doesn't become the norm.
Please someone start a age restriction list by State. Have a email we can send to names/location to.
AGREE! We own a newer RV and I still wouldn't support this park or any that have age restrictions.
It's not a question of accountability. People simply deserve to know the policies before they show up. If I know a business isn't going to sell a service to me, I'm not going to bother showing up.
It's also not malicious to advertise their own policies for them, but that requires naming them.
I’m so glad I came across this video! My boyfriend and I are moving from Texas to Arkansas and are going to build an RV park. We will have to start small and then build it bigger as we can. We just bought a BEAUTIFUL 1998 Vogue V DP for $31k and brand new, it was $425k! It’s in pristine condition! We are NOT going to put an age restriction on the RVs that visit our park. The only thing I would ask is for the guests to keep their area clean and leave it the way they found it. Just be respectful. I think that’s fair.
That is more than fair, it's down right human! In fact, I really like it when people go the extra mile and make the place better. I regularly pick up street garbage when I see it. My RV is 1999, it's all I can afford, but I have just as much fun with it as someone who buys a new model. I'm not better than you, unless you are the type that throws garbage on the street!
❤👍
Location in Arkansas?
That's the way it should be 👍 good luck with your RV park plan.
Why to pay u?
I have a 1993 Class C, we remodeled the whole inside and outside over the cab, but kept the original on everything else. I’m proud to be a vintage camper owner. Thanks for making this video safe travels
The WORST aspect of RV life is having to audition to RV parks to see if you are “good enough” to stay there. F them. I would always seek out the simpler more affordable options without all the judginess.
Try downtown Los Angeles, you’ll love it.
I retired and worked overnight security at a really big, really nice campground. They're trying to vet out the multiple troublemakers running around the country champ. Ever think about that?
@@bobbybooshay8641like people that move in and refuse to leave? Who are the troublemakers?
@@bobbybooshay8641
So, if you are not wealthy, you automatically get judged and punished. Great.
@@DQ_MineThere are tent sites at almost every campground if you can’t shell out for wheels so that’s a moot complaint. There are also cabins if you like. Try a reasoned argument instead of a whine next time, and throw in some knowledge too.
Should totally mention the names of the camp grounds. They are never going to change until the weight of the community begins crushing them. You guys have a very large following, and there are other RUclipsrs out there that would join in I am sure. Insurance is a cop out if they even try to use it as a reason. You can insure a manufactured home in tornado alley, they can afford to have insurance for your very well kept older RV. They build all of that stuff into the cost of a stay. What a world we live in these days.
Major agreement here. Until we start naming names, the problem will only get worse.
Our goal with this video was not necessarily to trash these two campgrounds (they own two - one is a 55plus in The Villages and one is in Tampa) but rather to bring awareness to the absurd policies these campgrounds (and many others) are enforcing. Thanks for watching
@@GratefulGlamper I don't believe that stating who they are is trashing them. You are simply providing a service to the rest of the community by giving them knowledge. Ultimately it's up to you guys, but to me stating facts is no different than if you were to go there and stay, and then do an unbiased review, or for that matter to buy a product and offer a review (which you do regularly and many of us have benefited from) that may contain facts about the product that do not shine a bright light on it. Just my two cents. Love your content and nothing but respect for you guys here.
This is like helping without helping! Falls under “thanks for nothing” category!!!!
This is like that backhanded compliment
That good intention that the road to heck is built out of
Treating the symptom when a cure is available
🤷🏽♀️IJS!
Liz Armstrong would have named names.
My policy has always been refusal to go anywhere with an age rule. Did that even when our rig was brand new. If they even ask, I say “doesn’t matter, I’m rejecting you. Bye.”
If everyone was willing to act on principal like you do, it'd be better for so many RV owners!
Good ANSWER.
Go the extra mile to call them out on it in online reviews.
Reserve America is extremely un-American
DEMAND all the campground utilities and buildings and pavement fall within the SAME age restrictions
Thank goodness for honest people in the world like this. Thank goodness I decided to take two years to research this more as I am a tent camper at heart. The lifestyle sounds amazing as I am a traveler at heart but…..
1. Too many want-to-be influencers. If that’s their thing, go for it but please be genuine. Put your phone down and enjoy the hike for goodness sake.
2. Hedge funds have started buying up RV parks. Profit before people & families. I understand that people are in business to make money, but there has to be some kind of balance. People who volunteer or work at national parks or RV parks, are generally extremely wonderful people & they are trying to adapt to the new reality and demand. Be kind to them.
3. Probably one of the best points you made was this. RVs that were built pre-Covid are much more reliable and built better than any new RVs today. This is a known fact in the RV world.
4. Don’t be afraid to share the campground owners with the community.
I want to apply the 80/20% rule. 20% of bad RVs are ruining it for the other 80%.
Having said that there are some people that are struggling out there but my limited experience has proven to me that they are some of the best & most respectful guests.
Safe travels everyone.
I'd wager the RV Manufacturing Association has a [secret] deal with select RV Resorts forcing as you said, the decrease in value (trade in) for older RVs forcing RV owners to buy newer RVs. This practice is not unheard of in other industries. The challenge is proving it.
Believable, let's take it a step further, how many of these RV resorts in question are actually owned by one RV manufacture or another?
@@kidynamite58
and/or have in addition to owning a % in the specific rv resort they may own a % in the holding company that owns multiple rv resorts to keep this requirement at the level of the parent company to keep the employees of the resort in the dark
It makes you wonder if we can contact a state legislator to create some kind of set of laws to prevent this practice, as it can be argued like the video says, cause wastefulness, and discriminate between RV owners arbitrarily. Being a full time RV owner, I'm recognizing that we don't have as many protections as someone who lives in a brick and mortar apartment.
My thoughts exactly!!!
@@stephenscorzo I'm sure the RV companies have lobbyists who keep state and federal congressmen and representatives in their pockets. Nobody represents the little guy anymore.
While I'm not an RVer, when my wife and I were looking to get into RVing we found that getting a well kept older used model was the way to go for us. Before we bought we checked into several RV parks in areas we were interested in just to find out that most won't allow an RV over 10 yrs old, some were generous and would allow up to 15yr old. This stopped us from getting an RV since we didn't want to spend the huge amount on a new rig of lesser quality.
Wow generous. Thanks so much for allowing me to spend my money to come to your park with my less than 15 year old tv. 🤢🤮
Guess I watched this one day too late. I meticulously veted several options this past week, almost purchased a new one, but then found a used one immaculately cared for and with only one tiny scratch on the frame paint, it is 11 years old but looks outstanding. Completely agree with you an older well cared for RV is the best way to go, now just have to find a campground that allows such a unit into it.
Amen
Wanna bet the campgrounds own the RV making companies :)
I'm at the looking stage right now and I'm about to get a 10 year old motor home. Thanks to this video, I will be doing more homework.
Our DP is now 12 years old and when we run into a campground that has an age restrictions, we just tell them “No Thank You” and put the name in our journal and pass it on when we find like minded people so they do not run into that situation.
Do you think you can share this info?
@@raymondcasso7966 Portal RV Resort, Moab, Utah. That is the only one we have run into since we went on the road last October and we stay at a different campground every week. So far 25 states and 12,000 miles.
@@Lescqe3uj have you been to a KOA?
@@raymondcasso7966 yes, no issues with KOA
Appropriate Response.
I just came across your video because of the title. We are in Australia, and I really hope that campgrounds here will NOT start this rule. Since the Cov** thing a lot has changed here in Australia as well, especially the pricing. So many campgrounds increased their prices in a way that no 'normal' family would be able to go there like they used to do. It's just not affordable anymore. You are absolutely right in terms of sustainability. Why should a fully functional and perfect vehicle be sent to the wrecker place, just because it is too old to be parked on a certain campground?
It sounds like these operators are driven by politics behind the scene, if you look at the bigger picture. Especially if more and more campgrounds/caravan or rv parks changing to this rule.
On the other hand, perhaps see it that way: they don't deserve and get your money. Spend it on businesses who deserves it. Happy travels and greetings from down under.
we looked at buying an RV to tour the USA. when we found out a used RV would be denied access at a lot of RV parks, we quickly decided to NOT buy one. these parks are putting themselves out of business!
As one owner said poorly maintained rigs have jeopardized all.
If they start losing money they'll change their policies.
That’s unfortunate. I had no idea it was that common. I’ve been looking at older RVs because I’m not a millionaire. It’s sad that even RV camping is now for the wealthy only. I guess they’re trying to keep the “riff raff” (Full time van dwellers, some of whom might be homeless otherwise) out, but it seems like if the RV is in running condition, it’s not a situation where someone is running a lab out of their broken down old camper that’s on blocks. Because it actually functions enough to drive them to the campground!
@@CuteBirdAwarenessLeague Buy what you like regardless of age and go camping. There are thousands of places you can go to that have very few restrictions.
That really is horrible! I hope they realize regardless if you give the name they will end up suffering financially! As they should! 🤨
We have a 1984 Yellowstone. It is immaculate for its age.
We love older campers and motorhomes. Built better they are. We knew about some having age limits but had not even thought about it hurting resale / resale value.
These HIGH AND MIGHTY campgrounds need to be BOYCOTTED and or sued for discrimination and devaluing campers / RV'S.
In the end we do not have to nor will we ever support such a campground.
Love your videos.
Safe travels to you all.
So basically, your boycott is meaningless since you wouldn't be allowed to patronize these RV parks anyways.
They have the right to association, meaning they can set rules like this, or prices to keep out a clientele they don’t want. But boycott is the name of the game.
@@tylerfb1I'm not so sure anymore. Yes there are currently no laws in place limiting private property owners from doing this, but no one has been sued yet. One could argue that if this is in fact a right then HOAs could force you to rebuild your home, regardless of its condition and simply because of its age. While i agree, and most rv park owners also agree, that a camper older than 10 years is subject to an approval process, the are some places that blanket deny simply on age. They seem to be very rare though because the community is straight up 1 starring them over it.
I’m also have a classic RV it’s a 1994 and the parts are kind of hard to find if you don’t mind me asking where I can find parts for my classic pusher I would appreciate it thank you and happy camping safe travels
Most corporate RV Resorts are over priced anyway.@@tylerfb1
We should press the campground routing apps (RV Life, All Stays, Campendium, etc...) to make this a very visible category on each website listing. Including letting people know that there are no age restrictions, as opposed to just omitting the rating.
I have a 2020 (not $1.5m) but would be happy bypassing any restrictive campgrounds. Plus that is important information for people with the older trailers to know. I never pay attention but cannot recall noting any campgrounds with age restrictions in RV Life.
That is a VERY good suggestion
Unfortunately with how popular RVing has become, there are others who will game this system to their advantage and gladly stay in a park with all newer than 10 year coaches, yuppy campers.... It's a shame, but those people are out there....
Oh I LOVE this Idea!!
Great idea! If we stay at a campground and notice they have age restrictions in their rules, we should leave a review mentioning these restrictions and give them an average rating.
@@davidpearson2581 Or _below_ average.
Just got out of the rv life beginning of this year. The amount of ways they are discriminating against campers is RIDICULOUS! You are only touching the tip of the ice berg. What till you experience the discrimination again your family size in the amount of people. That they allow to camp. They even do this at state parks! We have 10 children under 15 but we were denied so much it literally forced us out of our travels. I’m glad you did this video exposing the not so glam side of rv life .
maybe they wanted to avoid all the noise that to many kids can cause in a site? did you ask them why? are the sites pretty tight? that could cause problems for older ones perhaps? there could be alot of reasons, while I understand that campgrounds need some regulation to avoid alot of problems (which ir probably why the rule exists) many are worried about the tanks leaking etc, maybe they had people come and cause problems? I dont think they are trying to discriminate but have to consider the other guests perhaps? i am thinking there were alot of problems and they had to regulate against it, perhaps? i understand wanting to have fun but sometimes that fun can decrease the fun for others? I dont know never owned a park or even used one.
RV age restrictions even more frustrating now considering new RVs are plagued with major quality issues. A well-maintained, 15-year-old coach is likely to be better than something built since about 2019. Pressuring people to unload rigs that are in great shape and paid for in order to use something with worse build quality they have to pay tons of money for seems counterproductive. And big time thumbs up on the environmental impact of pressuring people to buy huge, new RVs when they already have one that's perfectly fine.
I 100% agree. We had a very well maintained 08 and traded up only to get a 22 with more problems than the 08. The kicker was we only traded because we were getting rejected from lower 48 parks for age restrictions. Otherwise I miss the 08 and liked it better.
Our RV inspector also works in the service department at one of our local RV dealership. He told us don’t buy anything post Covid /2020. He said everything was mass produced to keep up with the demand. He said it’s all junk. He thinks this will put some of the manufacturers out of business. Nobody will be buying them once the public starts researching RV and TT. They will be buying used. Making for older models forcing the age discrimination obsolete.
🤞
Which makes me wonder - are these rv park in cahoots with the rv manufacturers?? Just asking...
@@mikecagle984Ooooooooo GREAT POINT!!!!!! TOUCHE
@@mikecagle984 it wouldn't be the first time RV makers took over their industry, predatorily. It happened in the 70s when one major bought the rest. It's possible they are subsidizing losses, if any, for instituting age restrictions. Perhaps it works also as advertising within a defined market segment- to see the new bling all around may encourage Jonesing or competitive upbuying.
This rule is great. Allows rest of us to buy older RVs much cheaper and helps me finding RV campground where there is lower chance to encounter snobby super rich RVers that I try to avoid.
There you go. Turn lemons into lemonade!
I would understand resorts but a normal RV park I wouldn't understand
@@wacio haha good point
You have a great philosophy of life.
same way I feel about apartment/condo buildings..more room for the rest of us
We have been full timing for 18 years. We retired our fifth wheel and it is on a lot in Casa Grande Arizona. We now travel in a big arctic fox truck camper. Our truck is a 5500 Dodge and we had a special utility bed built and then we purchased our truck camper. Total cost was $118,000. We were turned away from four different RV parks over the years because we had a “truck camper“. Yet there were permanent residents at the campground living in old RVs that did not look roadworthy. Another campground turned us down because we had a cat. They allowed dogs but didn’t allow cats. We even told him we don’t allow our cat outside that he would stay in the RV. They never gave us a reason.
That’s absolutely ridiculous.
That is no more offensive been trying to sneak in a fish in a dish! How crazy are these people?
Your own condescention towards "old RVs that did not look roadworthy" doesn't exactly inspire any sympathy for you...
@@nodak81 Is TROLL your middle name?
I stayed in a campground in Buena Vista some years ago. They followed you to the spot and checked for any leaks. We had a water leak from the water hose and had to shut water off till we could fix it ( no washer….😅.) I did appreciate the fact that they cared about that kind of stuff. At the time, there was no age related restrictions…..
One of the biggest things I don't like about those policies is, say you are comfortably retired, living the dream in a new unit that isn't affected bt that policy, but your kids or friends who have units that are affected. So, you won;t be able to camp with family and friends due to that discrimination!
Very true - thanks for the comment and for watching
Good - no Great - Point!
Yeah I thought the point of family camping was to pile out of the RV into lawn chairs around a campfire roasting hotdogs, playing guitar and telling stories while the kids ran around and went to bed late. I guess this is sheer horror to the 1% now, to which everyone is pandering. And that's the relevant issue: the stratification of wealth at the top. You either worked for your money or earned it passively through investments; making for unrelateable ghost stories. Wealth simply strums a different folk tune.
@@mikemotorbike4283 100 %
You can find plenty of spots to camptogether. Maybe not in the Keys in February, but plenty of other spots.
I'm with you. Age-restricting is bad for the economy, the RV community and the environment. We should value older things that are well-built and well-maintained. 👍👍
RV parks are private business and they know what works for them. And it's only certain camps in nicer locations that have the restrictions. I think what they are saying makes a statement about who they want staying in their parks. Most retaurants partk the BMWs and Mercedes in front of the entrance for a reason.
I’m just trying to learn the RV experience. This video is helpful! Seems to me that the community could force sites to tell all, post, such details BEFORE booking. Rejection after the expense to get there is unacceptable.
I completely agree with you. Replacing an rv every 10 to 15 years is unaffordable for most people in the USA especially now.
As a family with a small travel trailer, our unit is 5 yrs old. We camp 3-4 times a year in places 2-6 hrs from home. Our tailer was built just pre-covid and has been solid with relatively no issue in quality. Given the relatively little use, and because we take care of our unit, it's disheartening to hear we may only be 5 yrs away from being blocked from certain parks. Especially when the exact same floor plan is being built today with the exterior nearly the same +/- some color differences. We intend to continue using our TT for the forseeable future. We are typically state park campers, so we haven't encountered this issue..yet, but the closer we get to 10 years, the more it becomes a concern. Next year with be our 6th.
I am 74 years old and traveling solo. I bought a travel trailer within my budget means this past January. Was wanting to camp and bring my K9 companion with me. Well, my travel trailer is a vintage 1962 model, it is in very good condition with a decent enough paint job. Not the colors I would have chosen, but nor is it a psychedelic paint job either. In doing research while doing a few minor interior modifications, I did find out to inquire about the 10 year rule. In doing so - before I could ever even hit the road with my travel trailer - I was given two rejections due to the age of the travel trailer (not me lol). My dog is acceptable!! The campgrounds were in Houston and Dallas Texas. I had family & friends there. I wanted to stay for four - five days and visit. That’s it and the rates weren’t cheep either. One place wanted a picture, and I complied. The other just repeated that they had a 10year rule.
This has deterred me from going camping a little, and I am very disappointed. I am now having to limit my stays to state parks, burea of land management land, etc. I was hoping for a clean & safe place to stay for a few days at a time, and travel a bit.
I will do more research and inquiries as to where me, my k9, and 1962 Tepee travel trailer will be welcomed.
Stay in State Parks. They do not have age restrictions.
Personally, I don't like snobs and try to avoid them. I can't understand why anyone would want to be around other folks anyway. That's not camping, it's parking in a glorified parking lot surrounded by snooty "people". NO THANKS!
@@MuskratOutdoorsamen to that! Why the hell would anyone want to stay there anyway.
Unacceptable. I am so sorry!!! Sadly, there are a great deal of unconscious souls out there!!! Sending love & light, dear friend!!! 🙏😇💫
Just HOA's full of Karens...who wants to be around that
Charity it's a little more complicated than just age, it also involves type of Rv as well. My family have been RV park owners for over 70 years in a town that is a favorite destination. With regard to age of RV, we do have a 15 year limit imposed in the last 4 years. While we have Manager's discretion clause on admissibility the real issue is we have RVs showing up that are on their last leg and the owners intend to park that RV and never leave. When they stop paying rent and electricity for weekly or longer tenants they game the system knowing that an eviction process is required in this state (squatting). Once the judgement is issued to get them out (4 months later) they walk away from what is a pile of RV junk and now it cost $4K to have the unit declared abandoned and re-titled so it can be removed legally. This happens way too much and has become very expensive, so the rule was put into place to reject any RV that didn't have a reasonable market value based on condition or was 15 years old or greater unless the condition exception applied. Every RV is inspected for full functionality before it's allowed into the park for more than a night or two. Units with obvious issues, in other words tenements on wheels are rejected regardless of age. Old units that are clearly restorations or in stellar in condition are admitted no problem. Now on another issue, this RV discriminatory practice didn't just start with RV age, it started with Class A only resorts which personally pisses me off. My personal Fifth-wheel rig is over $250K, young and in like new condition but I'm not allowed to be in the same park/resort as somebody with a $50K FR3 class A. Now let's examine that. I think you're great and provide excellent content objectively.
Thanx for that explanation.Answers alot.😎👍
Have the rigs towed as illegal parks...
Thanks for taking the time to explain from a business owners perspective.
I personally don't want to stay at any snooty Class A only parks. And by the way my FR3 Class A was $98K brand new in 2019. Can't imagine any for $50K.
@@marksilvestro450 and who pays that cost? That was mentioned in the comment, because the absconding client isn't paying, and owes fees already. The parks can't afford to do this. Unfortunately, some (a minority) are ruining it for the majority, again. The discretion of management is great, if you can find good managers.
100% agree. We have a 2021 model MH, and if this question is asked, we tell them, then tell them that we will take our business elsewhere. it's my money, and I don't intend to use MY money to be around snobs.
❤️🙏
Oh, I do more than that! I leave a review: "Added to my "RV - Age Discrimination List" .
That's all you ever need to say..
This is common, has been sense the 80s and 90s, most time it is not the rv parks fault, it is county or city ordnance. Chatt tn and the county its in hamiltion has the 15 year rule, you got to park in another county if over 15 year old. 15 year old is kind of new rules in the 80s most places where 10year old. Around 2000 lots of places extended the 10 year old rule to 15 year old. Before buying a RV know the age rules, 10 year or older rv has little value, if to be used for camping. Its the law in plenty of places.
Good. It frees up a spot for the rest of us. I hope you all boycott these parks because the overcrowding is ridiculous.
Here's the thing: these str the CGs that are the most crowded , rule-ridden, and generally unfriendly anyway. People who go to these locations are often competitive and insular.
Here is a question..we have a 2017 A Liner that we tow with a 2008 Chevy Impala. Does that boot us out??
The only way to get change is to put pressure on them. Release the name.
Yes. Tell us where not to stay. I’ll vote with my wallet.
@@WireEd1966 Agree! 👍
Yes please!
Sounds like it's many more than 1 place w that rule
@@atimko123 Yes, but the other places are reasonable and flexible and will allow an older RV if it's in good condition.
I have a 5th wheel dutchman that was built in 84. We take it out for extended weekends. It's old, it looks old and it need a lot of restoring. but it travels down the road good and everything works well, albeit it needs a lot of updates and its getting that. Me and the wife take our kids out for extended weekends and have a wonder full time. What it doesn't have is tv's, wifi, or a working radio. And the stove has never been used. What it does have is a few board games, a deck of cards for rainy days, a bike rack, and the essential's to cook over the pit. (don't through your trash in the pit please)... and last but not least relaxing lawn chairs. The best thing it has is smiling faces and wonderful memory's! And even if I only paid 4k for it, the times we have in it are priceless. I'll probably never sell it and if I get turned down from a camp ground because it squeaked once or its 40 yrs old being pulled by a brand new F350 Then I wont be giving my well earned money to stay there. And I will go down the road to the state grounds!!!
The problem, most state campgrounds are booked full during the summer months unless you get a reservation well in advance, midweek you can sometimes get a spot but weekends are impossible.
@@Candanciee so true we run into this problem every time
@@Candanciee And who's fault is that that you didn't plan????
@robertsmida9601 you would have to plan months if not a year in advance to get into campgrounds around us on a weekend. The days of, hey let's go camping and fishing this weekend are gone.
Years ago we purchased a 1969 Kencraft travel trailer and spent 2 years redoing the entire plumbing, wiring, exterior, interior, etc. when we were done it was a thing of beauty. All original solid ash paneling, a four burner stove and full size oven, 10 gallon water heater with an expansion tank so the pump wouldn't cycle on and off. the list went on and on. I even gutted the bathroom due to water damage and completely rebuilt it using the original pink tube/shower and chrome finish trim. So sad that some parks are to "high class" to think that anything with age is worthless. Our Kencraft was built like a tank and rode so smooth. They don't build them like that anymore.
I'd just give the 'age' of your RV as the year you completed the rebuild.
The age limit also discourages people from wanting to RV for the first time since they would probably be used, as I know it will for me. Some RV parks should promote that they take older RVs as a marketing ploy.
I first encountered this 7-years ago in Pennsylvania. I was able to stay the winter, but was asked to leave in the spring. I was told no long-term spots were available for RVs older than 10-years old. I was told that it was for insurance reasons. I have a 1996 45-foot Newell Coach that is now worth about $85k, but when new it was $900k, that is a diesel pusher with no gas. It is an entirely electric coach except that it does have a heater that can use diesel if not plugged in. My old coach was worth more than half of the RVs at the park I was staying at. I asked if I could store it there and I was refused. I carry upper limits comprehensive & collision coverage and a $1M umbrella policy, and that did not matter. The place I was staying at is Oak Grove Park & Sales in Hatfield, PA.
Another group that is restricted from entering RV Parks are the folks that have skoolies, school buses that are converted into RVs.
The big problem with this restriction is that why would anyone buy one if the useful life is only 10-years? There would be no resale/trade-in value and if you bought one gently used (under 5-years old), you would a have limited time of use. The RV Manufacturers should be fighting this tooth and nail and parks that have this policy should be boycotted until they change their policy.
If I owned a Campground and my insurance company came at me with crap like that...I would ditch them and find another insurance company not trying to tell me how to run my business.
Manufacturers love the restrictions. It means more people will be pressured into buying a new vehicle.
My wife’s aunt and uncle owned an RV park in OR back in the ‘90’s. They didn’t allow converted school buses either. They did at first, but had too many bad experiences with hippy types using drugs in the campground (it’s Oregon, the state is full of them), so stopped letting them in. We loved going up to stay with them.
I think they prob give kick backs to parks that enforce age restrictions to help drive new sales.
I think there needs to be a list posted on the internet so everyone can see. Those even with newer RVs might avoid too. This rule is totally discrimination.
I agree and would add that if we all stuck together and avoided them because of their discrimination (and made it known that we were avoiding them), they might rethink their policy. I don’t think the policy is horrible but I think there should be photo exceptions like the examples you showed in your video. In an age of high debt families and being pressed from all sides, I don’t like that some rv parks are making this “”too old” policy
💯
YESSER! WE NEED A LIST.
@@penkac According to my calculations, 2003 is 21 years old.
@rosel368 How do you define "rust bucket"? Just curious........
I have a 1989 5th wheel towed by a 1996 truck. I recently returned home from an approximately 1000 mile round trip. I do keep my RV in good shape although it isn’t perfect as replacement parts can be hard to get like fender flairs.
Does my truck and RV work fine? Of course. Was it the oldest in the parks I went too? No.
I often roll into campgrounds after-hours and it’s never been a problem with I just set-up quietly in an empty spot, pay in the morning and then hit the road. About 15 years ago I rolled into a nearly empty one in South Carolina once that had the nicest landscaping and bathhouse I’ve ever seen. I climbed into my homemade camper that I was pulling with my vintage truck and was awakened at dawn by an unhappy security guard who informed me that campground was for “million dollar and up RV’s” and that I had to go. I offered to pay the nightly fee and he told me just to leave immediately before they towed me. Your content is great! Thank you!
I'm in S.C. What was the name of THAT campground and where was it located?
Sounds to me like the Epitome of Snobbery! What's next, Demanding your RV is driven by a Uniformed Chauffeur?!!
Sheesh! And I bet they didn't even have the insight to be ashamed of themselves. I wonder how much that Security Guard's RV is worth?
@@noodgenoodgerson2660 Probably doesn't own one.
This is an issue close to my heart as I am 74, and live in an RV, in an RV park. My reason is to live tiny, within decent distance from work (yes, I still work. I love my job and don't intend to retire.) My home is now 11 years old, I've owned it for going on 4 now. I want to keep living in this particular RV, I keep it well maintained, just like you would any other home, and don't want to replace it. I'm sure this will become an issue at some point. Thank you for this video and I hope that the discussion continues as time goes on.
This video kind of outlines the problems we face as full time RV owners. We don't quite have the same rights and protections as people who live in a brick and mortar apartment. It also affects people, a lot of people that our my neighbors are retired pensioners, people who have to migrate between jobs, and this would absolutely hurt them if they had pulled up and had been kicked out. It's a practice that I hope some legislation fixes, I think we need legal representation and a voice out there.
@@stephenscorzo I agree.
I think this is one of the best videos you have produced. You are dead on correct. Denying campers simply based on RV age should be illegal!
It’s the homeless people parked on the sides of the road with beat up rvs
@@andreeahoudini5908 are you saying homeless people are getting denied? because rv resorts are very expensive and most likely out of their price range, its out of mine as i'm cheap and refuse to pay for amenities that i'm not going to use, I like state parks.
@andreeahoudini5908 most "homeless" people aren't blessed enough to have so much as a tent to pitch, no pot to piss in, nor window to throw it out. So, those whom are fortunate to have an RV, regardless of condition, are a step ahead. On either front, they should not be discriminated, punished, or looked down upon as lesser humans - as your comment comes crossed. 😢
Not all "homeless" people are so of their own choosing. 🙄 😒 😑 Nor are many able, let alone willing, to go into hock till their great grandchildren are grown to live beyond their means in order to keep up with the Joneses. Before countering with maintenance, blah, blah, blah, that costs money, physical ability, n a generally clear head - which are impacted purely by virtue of being "homeless." Suffice it to say, mental health is the culprit to many a woes when homeless, especially when coupled with the stigmas of homelessness. It's sad to constantly hear such negative references regarding homeless people. It sounds like being homeless is criminal. Well, the only criminal component of homelessness I see is that it exists in a country that is so rich n has seemingly more vacant properties than homeless people to occupy them.
I understand that some homeless people are so of their own choosing, or due to poor choices in life. They bare the brunt of paying the piper... That's not the case for the majority...😢
If they are "parked on the side of the road in beat up rvs," I guarantee you it's not their first choice. A beat up rv is better than a doorway, park bench, or bush.
This video isn't about homeless or poor folks with substandard rvs, though. If folks of reasonable means n nice, well maintained rvs are restricted, due to the age, can you not imagine why there are those "beat up rvs" on the side of the road?
"You don't know what it's like till you're there." "Empathy goes a long way."
✌️
@@alicial6072sadly, many state parks are quite discriminatory towards homeless people - on so many levels. 😢 😔 Then, there's the issue that even when the homeless can manage to pay to stay, most do so at the expense of having enough to afford maintenance on their rvs, if they are lucky enough to have one.
✌️
So the owner of a private campground shouldn't be aloud to have a their own rules??? Come on. If you disagree with a rv resort rules then don't go there. However, saying it should be illegal is flat out crazy talk.
I totally agree with you and feel your pain. So if you have a new trailer and your tow vehicle is more then 15 years do they reject them also.
First of all, I love the shirt you're wearing!!
Our RV is less than 5 years old and if some campground asks us for the age of our camper we go elsewhere.
Somebody needs to build a campground for nostalgic RVs or something.... You can't get in if your camper is newer than 5 years old?
I absolutely love well kept nostalgic RVs! .... Those who own them should be able to show them off!
That place already exists... it's called Quartzite Arizona 🤣
We RV'ers are all sick and tired of both sides of this issue. Some older RV's and some newer ones look like falling apart junk and should be in parks. Yes, I know that sometimes, (like mine), it's all we can afford, but I'm one of the many, many, many repairing and fixing mine up. I've heard "camp rules," "state law," "insurance," till my ears ache. No state I know has laws against 10 year old RV's staying in RV parks. SHARE the names of the RV parks. When we all start "going elsewhere" with our money, only then things will begin to change.
Actually, California has begun implementation of Senate Bill 210. This law mostly effects commercial trucks, but it also applies to diesel pusher RVs like mine. And as you suggested, I have no intention of going into California again.
@@jeffbyrd7976 The person you replied to didn't suggest not going to California, you brought that up. The ban is for semis and buses over 14,000 lbs and manufactured prior to 2010. It has to do with the amount of pollution in the air caused by these older, diesel vehicles, nothing to do with how they look. I don't understand why you're trying to conflate two separate issues.
Yes! Money talks
@@christinef7739 Either way, the policy is discriminatory.
@@judyross182 Either way what? I don't think you're following what jeffbyrd said. His comment doesn't have anything to do with the video.
I really enjoyed this video. WE purchased a 2005 Sunline and completely renovated it. It is much better than the newer ....um....crap....we had looked at prior to our purchase. This is very sad. Many years ago, when I was traveling as a single mom and took my kids all kinds of places in a tent. We met some of the best folks, who were camping near us, in their big Class A's, and we were just in a tent. So the community thing is a major deal. It is what made me want to explore and travel even more. I loved meeting new folks from all walks of life. I agree, that is the glue and the foundation of us nomads.
I have heard this happening for RVers. It is a shame. Thank you for speaking out and sharing. I always enjoy your videos.
My wife and I were rejected a few times by parks, because we had a truck camper. Mind you it was a brand new Host Mammoth and F-450, with a combined value of $155K, the stigma of the run down, leaking TC exists and frankly made us mad. Even with photos and validation of its age, they said no. We ended up in all occasions, literally camping down the road, at the next facility, who were more than happy with us being there. One site actually said they opened because of their neighbors restrictive nature and have been booming ever since. We've since sold that set up and are going back in with a small TT.
@@alexford5214 yes the market will speak. If there are enough people desiring that style of park, they will stay in business, and if not...
Refusing RV's also affects the local economies. Fewer RV'ers means less money for the towns the parks and resorts are in. Business people need to think about that too.
They care about themselves, and nothing else. They would turn away Mary, mother of Jesus, if she were pregnant since "she's unsightly."
I agree once we stop using these companies they will be forced to rethink their rule of age, how dare you refuse because I don’t want to be in debt… I will not go to these places even though mine is an 2018, because we have to stick together
There are plenty of RVs. Nobody's business is being hurt. You guys are delusional to think that denying a few old RVs makes a bit of difference to a communities economy. The fact is, most people with older RVs are also much more frugal and spend less money in those communities.
Individual RVs are not that valuable. Businesspeople who survive consider everything as they must.
RV Parks can be quite cruel. Some of them can kick you out because your door is too loud, something you can't fix easily or prove for that matter is you. I think we need legal representation and laws to protect RV owners from despicable RV Parks.
My wife and I own a newer travel trailer and I completely agree with you. So, when I am planning a trip, I try to only use State Park Campgrounds or COE Campgrounds and try not to use Independently owned Campgrounds.
I just bought a 26 year old 25’ class A and setting it up for boondocking. (Solar, lithium batteries etc etc) and plan to camp at national/state parks, blm and such. I’m so over campgrounds. The costs and lack of a camping experience is what drove me in this direction.
We have a 1965 Airstream Globetrotter. It’s beautiful and functional. Everywhere we go people come up to talk to me about it. They want to look inside and everyone loves it. I haven’t been turned down by an RV park for age yet, but I heard it could happen. I could have a new one, but ours is so cool, why would I?
Ferrari grade.
There is very little obvious differences between the vintage air streams and the newer ones!
Perhaps you should test a rv park that has an age restriction.
The person who commented and who's family has owned an RV park for generations is spot on about the squatter issue. Perhaps what truly needs to happen is campground owners (and associations) in these particular states where the laws work against the Cg owners from getting rid of squatters need to lobby for changing the laws or creating one's excluding campgeounds. Campground sites are more akin to the renting of a hotel room than an apartment or house. A campgeound owner should be able to call a tow truck and tow out a squatter within a much shorter time if the camper fails to pay accordingly or has major system failure that could cause health and safety issues for all involved. This would get to the root of the real issue and fear of getting saddled with squatters or unsafe rigs. ANOTHER THOUGHT TOO...if asked the agent of your rig, turn around and ask the campground what year was their last electrical upgrade? Age of their bath houses and septic systems? Is their pool and hot tub operational and open? Hmmmmm??? Cheeky yes but fair that we expect modern up to date services for our site fees.
ADA COMPLIANT
Well said!
Nice clap-back and I'm saving this in my head if it ever comes up! I can never think these things up on my own. Southern girl and my default is to Thank Someone even if they're rude to me. 🙄
You sound like a ten year old child.
I agree, I think that you should have access to their systems too. I can't imagine a nice 2025 model RV going into some RV Resort that has inadequate power that can overload their electrical, or powerful dirty water, all which I've encountered from some nice parks. I think things should work both ways. I ultimately think that pricing out RVers is a big mistake and will ultimately fail as a business plan because no one wants RVing to be like Gulfing. That and in modern times living in an RV is a viable survival option than homeownership for many young people or retirees (two common demographics).
I am 76, my camper is 52. My little 13 foot Scotty is in better shape than when it was built. Many upgrades to better and safer equipment. I am on the road an average six days a month; one time recently a 31 day winter trip. My camper is in the most beautiful condition and the Vintage appeal is outstanding. I have been using and restoring these older campers for over 30 years and enjoy them greatly. Total investment on this one about $4000 for four plus years of use. Show me one of these modern vehicles that will still be around at that age. Only ever had one age problem but that went away after they really looked at it. If it passes all DOT requirements then that should be the only requirement. The problem is the RV snobs that don't feel they should have to be parked next to an older one. Campers use to be friendly, helpful and clean. I can't drive any more and am glad my time is over because the future for us looks sad. I wish you all smooth roads, great weather and a cozy camp fire. Go say Hi to the people on both sides of you.
I so agree. Safety and maintenance should be a concern, *not* the age of the RV. 🙂
I gotta 2000 winnebago and i've sunk in money on it. I think it's better to just look at the state of RVs rather than the age, because i've seen nasty newer ones too.
I managed a campground for many years and I totally agree a pic of camper tells the big story.💯
The park that I have a permanent spot in allows everything from car camping to million dollar buses. Also has a primitive tent camping area.
It also has mobile homes and tiny houses for those of us with long term leases.
Can you give me the name and Location please.
@@charlesritter6640 Periwinkle Park Sanibel Florida near Ft Myers/Cape Coral.
@@mikeholtorf3456 Thanks Mike I appreciate the information.
For rv parks to have this ten year rule is just outrageous! My wife and my policy is screw them! We go elsewhere!
We own a tiffin motorhome that’s ten years old but looks like the day we purchased it! My god these rv parks should be boycotted! Who’s going to start a website that begins the boycotts? Let’s name them
All and pass it around!
It's been our experience that the age restricted campgrounds are usually the higher priced options, so we avoid them. While a boycott might deter some, elitests will want to go there to avoid us "trailer trash". I'd rather avoid those folks anyway.
@@jimlynch9390100% what we do!
Why are you so worried about a few parks that don't allow older RVs. There are plenty that do allow old RVs. KYD was just at an Airstream only RV park and I didn't see a single comment about how outraged other RVers were that they weren't allowed in to that park. Some restaurants require dress codes and they can deny you if you don't comply. What's the difference?
Driving yesterday I saw an oldtimer like me driving a 1950's station wagon that was immaculate. Other cars were taking pictures of his ride. Dude was living the dream.
Yeah, we value classic cars and shun classic RV's- it's not right
Most RV campgrounds are worried about an RV catching fire from electrical, I have a 1997 Holiday Rambler Alumalite Custom and replaced all electrical outlets to GFCI outlets and replaced all water shutoff valves to newer 1/4 turn as well as complete rebuild better than any new RV and a lot of people do this and still they are refused at campgrounds ridiculous.
10 years ago I bought a 1994 Coachmen Destiny 34' diesel pusher. It was ridden hard and put up wet - used as a permanent home with a household toilet to boot. It ran great with excellent mileage and with multiple upgrades (e.g. immediately changing to an RV toilet and then totally replacing the rotting, wood-framed basement with custom welded aluminum frame and doors). In 2013 we used it to take our pre-teen granddaughters on a 5-week tour. It cruised at a leisurely 62 mph averaging 10 mpg; boondocking twice and camping at multiple RV parks through almost all the states east of the Mississippi and Canada without issues. I never gave its age a thought; back then it probably wasn't a "thing". Two years ago I had to "retire" it when a careless deer attacked the front valence causing damage that couldn't be replaced and rebuilding would exceed its insurance value ($21K). So now solo, with my 2021 21DS TT (a Forest River "Max", towed by 2005 Silverado "Mabel"), I learn that it probably has 7 years of usable life left. I'm 82 and it'll probably be unsafe for me to drive, let alone tow by then, so I'm lucky in that I can "let it go to pot" and still be able to spend lots of money on "high class" RV parks if I want to - NOT! My choice of where to rest my head while trekking is at a reasonably priced, full hookup RV park wherever I happen to be - along the road less traveled...
Although one RV Park asked the age of our trailer, they never verified it during check-in. So our trailer will always be only 8 years old when making reservations. 😅
Nice
lol, that's exactly what crossed my mind while I was watching this. Even though it'll never apply to me, I have a 17' 1995 Roadtrek ... which I love. They can keep their snooty resorts and I'll keep my $$! Their loss. I'm a quiet, clean, respectful, low-maintenance camper lady.
Why should you have to lie to get a place to stay?
Yep. What that don't know can't hurt them.
That's basically what I did with my Mini. When I made a reservation the motorhome was always nine years old.
I spoke to someone that owns and operates an RV Park, she said that the reason there is an "age restriction" on RV's is not because it is old or ugly, it is because that often people abandon their RV's and Campers at campgrounds if the amount of renewal is more expensive than the value of the camper. Though I was surprised that someone would abandon their campers, it made sense that it could be a problem. I have an '87 Gulfstream Sunsport that has been renovated, so mine is pretty nice and is very solid and I would never leave it. Too much "blood, sweat and tears" as well as resources in this Rig to leave it behind.
I apologize, no offense meant, but I find that hard to believe - that a person would make a reservation just in order to abandon the trailer. Seems like a lot of expense and trouble to go through, when that sort of unethical behavior would be achieved for even less by just driving out into the sticks and abandoning it there. (Which we have seen near our home, btw...)
@@noodgenoodgerson2660 I hear you, me too... though I guess for some people, a camper or motor home is somewhat disposable.
My parents had a campground where they ended up crushing 2 campers that were left behind. I would ask for pics and then decide. Private campgrounds are required to rent a site.
@@noodgenoodgerson2660 In the more populated parts of the Northeast there aren't many sticks left where someone wouldn't notice an abandoned vehicle. The land owner has to deal with getting rid of it. More complicated if it has a title. If you junk your old vehicle it usually costs.
This makes no sense…they could just contact a tow company to haul it away if that happened.
One of the things I love about camping is camping with an older couple that has an older RV and learning from their experiences
This is unbelievable. I was not aware of those restrictions. Makes me furious as I am new to RV'ing. Recently retired after a long professional engineering career. Having no family left (just me and my dog) I dreamed of traveling, exploring, and seeing the entire US. Learning now that my travel plans will be restricted because I bought an older RV (it's better than what I could have bought new for the same investment) is disillusioning to say the very least. Thank you for your video. It's enlightening.
Charity and Ben, Thank you for calling-out these ‘selective’ campgrounds. I agree with you 100%!
We just got an older camper when my mom passed away we decided this would be a great way to honor her My belief this would be family time. THANK U for your video s
Interestingly it's not just RV campgrounds that have the 10-year age limit. In trucking there are some customers that will reject trailers that are over 10 years old, including Ford Motor Company and International Paper. So it makes me wonder where the 10-year age limit came from, who came up with 10 years?
We have been traveling the country for 35 years and have never once been asked the age of our camper. Maybe because we avoid the fancy resorty types.
I’m an older RV’er and never stayed at a “fancy resort “ type park, but my 1970’s, clean, remodeled class C RV was refused at even some no frills parks.
I used to be an apartment manager for a very large national management company. We had to take classes on discrimination - and how to avoid it at all costs. Everyone must be treated the same. The only qualifiers were passing a credit and crimminal check. You could not be disqualified because you wore old clothes or had a classic car parked in the drive. My point is: One good discrimination lawsuit will take care of this nasty little problem; it's just a matter of time before some resort gets hit with a very expensive discrimination lawsuit.
Do RV parks do credit and criminal background checks?
Unfortunately I don’t believe that it would apply in this situation since the people are welcome but not their equipment … I don’t agree with these policy’s at all nor do I understand them
New rv’s break and breakdown all the time so it’s not like they can make a valid claim of risking having one stuck on their site … maybe they are trying to avoid people abandoning old ones at parks ?!
What would be very entertaining, would be yearly visitors with the same rig who has been welcomed with open arms for several years suddenly being told that they are no longer acceptable.
Needs to be someone with ties into the legal or justice system or the money and good friends of same.
Kind of like the speed trap Village on the west side of Columbus Ohio, they finally pulled over the wife of a congress critter on the flimsiest of reasons. That community no longer exists, they were primarily making money off of traffic stops.
@@greygoose4x46 My guess is that at one time a junk RV broke down and the owners just abandoned it to the resources and cost of the park to remove it.
There are some horrible-looking RVs parked in the trees that don't even look livable so I understand what the park owners are trying to avoid.
If Charity and Ben don't do some research into this then we'll never know (from them) the reason. I asked them to interview the park owners and to find out what prompted this "rule."
Not all discrimination is illegal. It's not illegal to discriminate on the basis of an RV's age. So a lawsuit would not be successful.
(Not saying I agree with this lousy practice -- I don't. Just saying that a lawsuit wouldn't go anywhere.)
My parents had an older Winnebago that they purchased used. My father was a mechanic so he had no doubt that he could keep it running. I am so glad that they did not experience this type of discrimination.
We have heard about this situation, one time we had to send them a picture of our RV, our motor home is 2003, we have never had a problem like that but we are not living 24/7 as we were 2 years ago. Our MH is not the best looking but it is not falling apart either. As some commenters said that our older models are made so much better than the newer ones. My son has owned 3 brand new RV's and has been in the shop so many more times than our "older" MH. Good video, much needed. New subscriber here BTW 😉😉
if I were a campground owner, I would encourage vintage RV and camper owners to come to my campground. Like you said some of these older models are literally works of art on wheels. The love and care that is embellished onto these classic models shows by the pride, the owners having them. The fact that they have been updated to still be used for their original function as a testament to their craftsman ship, and to the owners who maintain them. I would even go so far to set up different sections in the campground to where people that had 50s and 60s campers camp together. 70s and 80s campers the same. But only if they want to. Make each section fit to the time where you can park.
I can’t help but wonder do they have a restrictions on vehicles at the campground? What if someone owns a 57 Chevy coupe? Are they not allowed to park it there?
I agree. My first experience with arrogant RV parks was when we were traveling with a brand new popup camper. "Sorry, only Class A motor homes allowed." Now we travel with a 10+ year old hybrid camper. It's in pristine condition with new decals and canvas. If they don't want our business, fine. Honestly we prefer military campgrounds but everyone can't do that. We also have large batteries and an inverter generator so we can boondock too. We have crossed the Country several times since I retired five years ago. Most campgrounds are 90+% filled with full-time residents. People are living in campgrounds, not travelling full-time but living in a camper stationary. In California and similar regions RV parks are always full so they can choose the big money customers and I can drive right by.
I had heard about this practice and it is a bit concerning considering that my wife recently bought an air stream to fix up that is from 1977. It is crazy to think that we would be denied or have to "audition" to spend our money at a campground. I guess they are trying to keep out the riff raff, the unwashed, the uncouth? Personally we like seeing the old classics that are well kept and still providing lots of smiles to their owners.
I agree. Aren't these restrictions meant to keep the riffraff out? In this case, however, they have a mint-condition RV worth more than most of the others. There should be some kind of exception to these rules for classic restored and mint RV's.
I wouldn't worry about it. My wife and I have been camping since 1992 and have only found 2 or 3 like this. We've found more motorhome and 5th wheel only campgrounds ( no travel trailer) than age restrictions.
Have a Jesus filled day
Greg in Michigan
I completely agree with you having experienced the same discrimination in our travels down the west coast. We were fortunate in one place because it was their off-season, so most of their regular guests were not there, and being late at night...and pouring rain... the person took pity on us and parked us in a back corner where we couldn't be easily seen... and we were only there overnight. Fortunately, a lot of places up here in Canada haven't adopted that rule...yet... but I can see the writing on the wall, so we just purchased a new-to-us 2020 class A so we don't get stuck with our plans over the next 4 years as we enter retirement.
The first campground I tired to get into asked me what the year of my rig was then told me no because it was too old. I ran into two more like that in the Tacoma area of Washington. One was Rainier View RV park and the lady told me that they just adopted the ten year rule and while I may see some rigs that are older than ten years old, once they leave they can't come back. Quite frankly, the very few in the Tacoma area that didn't have age restrictions were RV ghettos. A lot of parks I've looked at plainly state age restriction apply. I don't hate on them over it, I just move on but my rig is outfitted for boondocking with solar so I could care less if they want me in their park or not. Full hookups is a nice luxury I enjoy occasionally but I don't have to have it.
I've asked about the reason for age restrictions and they said it was because, for one, there's some serious ghetto rigs running around and I can understand that because I've seen them. We're not talking about nice, well taken care of rigs. I've seen rigs such as a Class C with the entire cab over area duct taped. A lot of older rigs have roof issues and when it rains they cover the roof with any tarp they can find. It makes the whole park look ghetto. Now you're on vacation for a few weeks and have your kids with you and the park put next to a rolling crack house, what are you going to think?
Age restrictions also means they can charge more for a site. Where I used to use the dump station I sked what they get for a site and they told me $85 a night. I choked and that was about 4 years ago. This place in Ventura, California was right next to highway 101 and that highway gets noisy.
Another reason I've been given for age restrictions is rigs older than 10 years old tend to break down more often than those that are less than ten years old. I know, I know, not My rig but they're just going with the numbers like insurance companies do. They don't want their vacationing guest, or any other guests, having to hear someone working on their rig.
Finally, if they use an arbitrary reason such as X years old then they can dodge the discrimination bullet. They don't have to justify why they didn't want to rent a site to you in particular. There's no racial, religious, sexual identity, or any other members of the protected classes they have to fear if they don't rent them a site. They just say they have RV age restrictions, no matter who you are.
I can understand a lot of their rationale even though it may not apply to me but that's life and I just move on. If they don't want me then fine, I don't want to be where I'm not wanted anyhow.
I hope all this helps understand their point of view.
Even at that, it kind of creates RV classes where there shouldn't be. I think that it punishes people for trying to find a viable economical choice in these hard times to live in. It's kind of like if you have a neighborhood of people who are black and Hispanic, and you want to keep them out of your neighborhood by doing something like checking credit or looking at names on the applications and deleting them because they're Hispanic. Yes I see their point of view, but if this isn't resisted or fought against, this can impact the ecosystem of RV Traveling. As it is, I think we don't have as many protections as someone who lives in a apartment does.
@@stephenscorzo True; but the level of rent charged for an apartment in a high-end building in a prime location also perpetuates class divisions. Home prices in the best neighborhoods keep out the poor and even the middle class. It's the way the world works.
I love my 1979 Airstream Class A. It is in excellent condition and very popular where ever we go. I believe it is better than any new RV.
The Retreat at Shady Creek is like this. They have a FIVE year limit on their rigs. It’s over $1,000 a month. Our RV is 6 years old and very very clean and better looking than half of the rvs in there. We were refused entry. I talked to local residents and they said just say it’s newer than that, but I didn’t want to lie and quite honestly give them a dime of my money because of their restrictions and rudeness. We stayed closer towards Dallas and loved it much more.
The Retreat at Shady Creek is In Aubrey, TX, just north of Dallas
This is one of many reasons why I'm building a stealth box truck camper and will be staying off grid year round. RVing has changed so much for the negative since I last owned one 10 years ago.
I agree that someone should post a list of RV sites that have RV age restrictions. The consumer speaks loudly and I’d want to know.
If they ask age, they don't get my money.
I refused to leave and told them I'm sueing for discrimination..the karen called police, they made let me stay cuz j drove 1500 miles with no reservation. J just showed up! I also had bank put stop payment on check along with CC, afterwards telling them I didn't get services I was supposed to pay for any further action they could deal with my attorney, never heard back from them again. You need to fight these discrimination places
My brother and nephew work in the RV industry. The new ones are absolute JUNK!
I agree! Since the pandemic all of the rigs are poor quality.
Amen!! We have a 2022 (made in September 2021) Jayco Jay Flight SLX Baja. I guess we must have gotten the first one to be produced or it was used as a parts trailer. The solar wires were not run where they were supposed to be. We've had 2 recalls - one which we brought to their attention for an inverted flame on the burner while using the heater. Another was a propane tank valve. Now we found out their AC put in it is not placing the excess water outside the trailer but in-between the walls. Windows aren't sealed. And the whole frame is leaning. Thankfully we don't rely on going back to an RV repair location. My husband and I will fix it ourselves.
100% with you! Restrictions based on equipment, age restrictions, etc. is total nonsense. Zero chance I would ever give them a dime!
I would really have a problem, my tow vehicle is 46 years old and travel trailer is 23! I have never been refused mostly because we don't tend to stay at "RV Resorts". We are traveling to see what's outside the resort ,and don't have the time or desire to use the restore "amenities". We are looking for a safe place to park.
We have been camping for over 30 years now,but one thing we drew the line at was camping above our means like in an RV Resort,we camp in state parks mostly and have never missed having the experience of staying in an over priced over evaluated resort,we camp with the common everyday working class people and stay within our league knowing we don't feel comfortable living above our means or possibly someone thinking we thought we were better than them
I said something similar! We have beautiful state parks here in Ohio. Very affordable and some can handle these big rig full hookups. We used to go to Florida every year. Gave up on that in 2012! Too hot and crowded even in January!
You're not alone. I have a classic 1989 HMC Hawkins Motor Coach 31 foot Class A motor coach. It was $225,000 in the 1980's. It looks better than most of the newer ones in Parks and campgrounds. However, I finally found a great place. Thousand Trails RV Resort. The South Beach Oregon location will take a look at your rig and give you the okay or no. There's not a really strict policy here.
We have a 2007 but we take great care of it and renovated the whole inside and keep up w the outside and we have also ran into this problem! It’s so frustrating!
I live in Western Washington and had a 1997 Class A and I lied about its age if a park asked. It was absolutely beautiful outside. Traded it in for a 5th wheel for more room, I need 2 bathrooms. You are absolutely correct about vehicle age discrimination. We only upgraded because we now live full time.
It's nice to see another Western Washington (state) resident. 🙂
I also wonder if these rules have to do with the areas there around. I lived in california and palm springs had a few of these kinds of places, it just kind of was a get a way for the older rich folks when you visited them.
If you were really interested in helping RVs with older RVs, what you would do is do a video on the campgrounds that refuse RVs over 10 years old!!
Yes, have all RVers boycott those campgrounds as some time in the future ones new RV will be 15.
Perhaps the "you" in your suggestion about "...what you would do..." ought to be the "you" in your mirror. There's nothing stopping you.
I have an 84 BlueBird Wanderlodge that is close to a twin of the one KYD had. It's my dream RV and I did not want anything newer than an 86. I think if they want to keep uncared-for RVs out, they should have something like "please include recent picture if your RV is older than X." I agree with all the points you made, great video!