A Great Hoax in the Great Pyramid of Egypt? | Ancient Architects
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- High up in the relieving chambers of the Great Pyramid of Egypt there are a number of workers quarry marks, red ochre graffiti that reveals the name of King Khufu.
This is one piece of evidence used by Egyptologists, and also many independent researchers, to date the Great Pyramid to the 4th Dynasty of the Old Kingdom.
And there isn’t just one solitary piece of graffiti. Khufu’s name does not appear just once. There are in fact 12-15 different instances of his name inside the relieving chambers, including different variants.
They were first discovered by Howard Vyse and John Shae Perring in the early 19th century, and it was the first solid piece of evidence that allowed us to put a time stamp on this enigmatic structure.
The Great Pyramid was built in the reign of Khufu - his name is written all over it.
But today, in the age of the internet, this dating evidence remains one of the most controversial subjects in relation to the Great Pyramid. So many people believe the graffiti is a hoax, created by order of Howard Vyse in the 1830s.
But why do so many people believe this? What solid evidence is there, and does it hold up to scrutiny?
Well, in this video, I’ll be taking an in-depth look at the Khufu cartouche graffiti and by the end, you’ll know whether or not this really is solid evidence to date the Great Pyramid to the reign of King Khufu.
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Contents:
0:00 Introduction
2:10 The Khufu Hoax Myth
3:54 Vyse's Discoveries
9:09 The Khufu Cartouches
11:06 The Controversy Over the Discovery
18:58 The Forgery Claims
20:18 Claim 1: The Words of Samuel Birch
24:39 Claim 2: An Eye-witness to the Forgery
29:39 Claim 3: The Journal of Howard Vyse
32:15 Claim 4: The Red Ochre was Radiocarbon Dated
35:53 Claim 5: Davison’s Chamber has no Graffiti
39:00 Claim 6: The Khufu Spelling Mistake
40:53 Claim 7: The Great Pyramid was Renovated
43:19 New Claims
51:40 What Did Vyse Actually Gain?
53:20 Graham Hancock and John Anthony West
58:50 Conclusion
Books:
Stower & Coburn, The Strange Journey of Humphries Brewer: Witness to a Forgery in the Great Pyramid? Part 1: Investigating the Legend: www.amazon.co.uk/Strange-Jour...
Stower & Coburn, The Strange Journey of Humphries Brewer: Witness to a Forgery in the Great Pyramid? Part 2: Uncovering the Truth: www.amazon.co.uk/Strange-Jour...
Creighton, The Great Pyramid Hoax: www.amazon.co.uk/Great-Pyrami...
Sitchin, The Stairway to Heaven: www.amazon.co.uk/Stairway-Hea...
Videos:
Yukinori Kawae, Relieving Chambers: • 【完全保存版】三大ピラミッド内部を一挙公開！...
Scott Creighton, Great Pyramid Hoax, Episode 2: • The Great Pyramid Hoax...
Braveheart clip: • Movie Mistakes: Braveh...
Joe Rogan Clip: ruclips.net/user/livetFlAFo78...
Billy Ocean Clip: • Billy Ocean - When the...
Gorlitz and Erdman: • Der Cheops Skandal: Di...
Sources:
Sketchfab Models of Relieving Chambers: sketchfab.com/hirokuni39
Howard Vyse, Operations: archive.org/details/operation...
Perring, Pyramids of Gizeh: digitalcollections.nypl.org/c...
Piazzi-Smyth, Life and Work: archive.org/details/lifeandwo...
Puckler-Muskau, Egypt under Mehemet Ali, Volumes 1-2: archive.org/details/egyptunde...
Hall of Maat Forum: www.maatforum.com/forum/list....
Graham Hancock Forum: grahamhancock.com/phorum/list...
Graham Hancock statement: web.archive.org/web/200302050...
Martin Stower website: web.archive.org/web/200302042...
John West & Graham Hancock's view (2011): grahamhancock.com/phorum/read...
Recent article by Scott Creighton: grahamhancock.com/creightons12/
Pyramid Mysteries Website: web.archive.org/web/201603261...
Graham Hancock Interview with John Anthony West: grahamhancock.com/interview-jaw/
Reisner Book: gizamedia.rc.fas.harvard.edu/...
Gorlitz and Erdmann Info: ahotcupofjoe.net/2013/12/not-...
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I had to cut out the clip from the Joe Rogan podcast at around 57 minutes as they ‘demonetised’ the video because I used a 20 second clip in context… Very lame. This was also done manually their end, not automatically… Double lame.
Perhaps @joerogan should have a talk with his social media team and ask why they're so lazy that they strike a clip with under 1% of duplication without even looking at it.
@@HistoryforGRANITEthey must need the £32 they’ll get from my video instead.
This is at least the third thing from Joe Rogan in about as many weeks that really comes off very negatively. Not a good look at all.
@@AncientArchitects Seeing as Joe is very alternative in his view of prehistory, I'd quit moaning.
UTube really sux butts in very specific and obvious ways when it comes to ”copyright" claims.
Congratulations on such a thorough analysis of a frustrating topic. You have my sincere thanks for making this video, because it's not one I'd ever want to make myself! As important as it was to scrutinize every accusation towards Vyse, the idea the man spent so much time, energy, and money to fake details is absurd. You don't document the pyramids better than ever before if you're going to include forgeries. People have been making up stories about the pyramids since they were built, but only a select few have ever worked so hard to search for the truth.
Thanks mate! Much appreciated 🙏
Glad to you posted.. your other favorite history Channel!
Not so much time and energy and it is not absurd.
I'm fairly certain that you would have done the same in depth research as Matt has...you always do!
Get a room you two
We can reconcile two theories by proposing that Khufu was an alien.
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This is too funny 😂 careful, the conspiracy theories might actually listen to this
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They’ve dashed off to beaver away on this ‘theory’ AS I’M TYPING THIS !!! 😮😮😮
We need to keep our minds opened to all options. The conclusion we have today are from our existing understanding from our technology from today and studies made without that knowledge decades ago. With science and time all the fake theories will be debunked. Don't forget the American government just admitted that aliens exist. They made few press conferences about the subject. The knowledge included in the pyramids is bigger than the knowledge humans had 6000 years ago. Also it is illogical for the ancient Egyptians to have been hunter gatherers and suddenly boom the started building pyramids just like that out of nowhere 😂
Just to make a quick side point it's not even graffiti they are quarry marks proof that the builders did their work for that day, month, week, whatever.
Yeah, I mix the terminology because it gets referred to as graffiti so often, but I think from now on I’ll refrain.
Its wonderful seeing all those marks which give insight to the process they were using, like the lines in the floor showing where the fine limestone would go, or marks showing where future work would be done. absolute proof this stuff was done by humans, obviously, but also that construction hasnt really changed that much, its just the materials and tools we're using that are new.
The fact that each hieroglyph is isolated to individual stones and doesn't cross lines makes it more likely they were painted at the quarry. Probably used to provide performance metrics to enforce discipline or productivity competition. Should that be the case I suspect there's many more to be discovered on the hidden faces of a great many blocks still in place.
@@AncientArchitectsIT WAS GRAFFITI!!! I ADMIT IT... I MADE THEM... ALIENS TOLD ME TOO!!! 😂😂😂
Quarry marks, proof of work,
don't be so ridiculous, it's an obvious forgery. You trying to convince that builders leave quarry marks on the finished product😂😂 or that the forman needed to go round the building checking for proof that it's being built by some daubing of paint.
Think about it eh
Okay already 437 comments, so this will likely get buried in the pile. Could comment on various things but will limit to main points. Three Italians have written a book you have not seen (Giza: La caduta del dogma) . I have translated some parts, including the chapter on this topic, to English which I could send you if desired. Am busy with my own paper on the topic. (Edit) There is also a follow-up book by Creighton The book which discusses Vyse's interactions with an expert in Cairo.
The whole concept of "quarry marks" and "gang names" is a bit confused. Much of the theory is from the dissertation by Ann Macy Roth, which, in turn, assumes that the relieving chamber marks are genuine and she used it to develop the theories, so using those theories as proof here is circular reasoning. In truth, her view is that the marks were put in place in situ, hence why she divides them into 4 groups as you show, the idea being different gangs worked on each side.
That contrasts with Vyse et al saying they were put on in the quarry. They both can't be right, but both could be wrong. Also, the idea that they were made by stone workers at the quarry is false ... such work could only be done by the scribe assigned to the team, who would a) write neatly, and b) not make mistakes. The whole idea of stones being cut for specific sides (ie to size) at the quarry is silly ... there is no reason why they would waste time and paint marking the blocks is also bizarre. If you wanted to mark them, it should be something like "West side, level 54, block 12" but I doubt they worked like that. Roth realised that, which is why she went with the "in situ" approach.... but then you need to explain why these marks are ONLY in the places Vyse discovered, and not anywhere else, for example in the new passage above the entrance, or the tunnel in the QC niche, or the other tunnel near the KC.
I waited for you to discuss the problematic upside down garbage cartouche (lady Arb west, on the right), but you did not. That's the Please Explain one. A trained scribe would not do that.
1st logical comment. Its very likely forged or something similar. too many plot holes. One is that workers didnt write hierglophycs, they only maybe could write the other type of egyptian language but not this. Egyptians were SO PROUD of cribes that they even made STATUES of SCRIBES! do you really think that workers could do it, furthermore as you said, why only here, inthis place.. we all could end this bs with 1 single carbon dating. but people are either arrogant or idiots, that is what stopping all advancing in our learning here
Thanks for your info. Never thought anyone but Vyse would have a hand in something like that. He's the only one who "noticed" them, and after the Muslims entered many yrs.before, (and probably the Romans before that?).
@nomadscavenger The Muslims and Romans did *NOT* enter the relieving chaimbers. _This is directly stated in this video_ !
It's a shame because I hoped AA would try approach this subject with a level of fairness. Your arguments are so compelling and they don't stop there, the fact at that time people were suspicious says it all tbh, these are not modern claims. He also forgets to mention the ending of funding for Vyse and the great external pressure he was facing to deliver or he was guaranteed to be shutting down all operations.
The Great Pyramid Hoax: Episode 1 - The Journal Speaks
The best proof for Vyse's innocence is the fact that Vyse was blivious about hieroglyphs and couldn't read them, but ALL graffitis are readable and make perfect sense.
Nope. There is some garbage. And Vyse was consulting with an expert in Cairo.
Are you going to back that up with anything other than "nope"?@@themoviesite
@@themoviesite and who was that alleged expert?
@@jpaulc441Source: trust me bro
I just look up 1827 they decifer the hieroglyphs
Hey man i just wanna say i have been a big fan of your channel for a long time and you have not only have provided me tons of information on a subject i love but you have also provided me with an equal amount of entertainment.
I was so psyched to see an hour long upload from you today. I can't imagine how much work goes into this but just so you know it doesnt go unappreciated.
Thanks so much for everything.
"Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please . . ."
'Mark Twain'
" The more i know about humans the more i like my dog! "
Mark Twain .
Its my life motto ! ! ! !
Oh lets all find a Mark Twain remark to back up our own position. Just like the Bible. And my great grandma. She had opposing platitudes for every occasion. 😂
@@garyclarke2808 "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man."
'Mark Twain'
@@helenamcginty4920 "It were not best that we should all think alike; it is difference of opinion that makes horse-races."
'Mark Twain'
@@helenamcginty4920 I didn't realize the Bible quotes Mark Twain...
A carbon dating of a sample of the ink may solve the problem.
I'm not sure if it can be carbon dated.
It was red ochre in a egg or oil or wax or something entirely different medium. You cannot date the ochre because you would then date stone that is perhaps milions of years old. Dating the used medium is also difficult because organic material can deteriorate by environment. If you are interested in this dating science read an article like : Painting the Palace of Apries I: ancient binding media and coatings of the reliefs from the Palace of Apries, Lower Egypt".
Actually, that wouldn’t be proof enough. Because Khufu might have graffiti the place up, but who’s to say he’s not just the one that found it and put claim to it by putting his name on it.
Modern candle smoke and soot that has settled on the surfaces of the chaimber will significantly throw off any carbon dating. You will need to collect carbon samples which have not been exposed to tourists for 200 years.
@@juliavixen176we’re not talking the publicly accessible area’s, the relieving chambers have been hardly visited since Vyse.
another things I really respect you following the evidence and not falling into dogmatic traps that many do. You had an opinion, but after being shown evidence to the contrary of your beliefs you went with the facts and not your biases. Thats a very rare thing in this world and kudos for not deleting your old videos its good for people to see the journey youve made
I don’t see any shame in changing opinions. I’m learning all the time and if hard, irrefutable evidence comes out tomorrow that it’s a forgery, I’ll happily say so. We just need to be thorough, logical, and follow the evidence.
@AncientArchitects Why haven't the quarry marks been carbon-dated by the Egyptian authorities to prove they were from Khufu's time and silence the sceptics once and for all?
@@HarryWolfHe explains that in the video.
Love these long videos! Must be a lot of work. Great stuff
Thanks so much Matt for your amazing research. I find so much information from you and the "History for Granite" channel which is so thought provoking and insightful. You have done an incredible job with your delving into this subject, and I congratulate you once again on your huge effort to collate all of the information regarding this topic. Keep up your great work which empowers all of us with the facts about these most interesting subjects!
My former work was road construction and tunnel repair and we often made marks and symbols in the cement at hidden places, maybe i get i get credited
in about 5-10000 years. Great research u did on this.
Do you include dates? Imprints of hands and pices of money?
@@tobiastho9639 Did dates but not money, needed them myself.
I appreciate the in-depth research and analysis. I especially love your pictures and graphics in your slide shows in all your videos. They are terrific. Thanks much.
when they re discovered the pyramids, took all the sand away that was 1/3rd up them, cleaned all the salt from the flood away from inside, & outside, wiped them clean. then, they said we own them. fkn bs.. the flood was 13k ago, so, they were there 100,000 yrs ago.. as factories. you cant date rock, & you cant say a building is dated by pottery, thats crap, or writting on the walls..
There are dozens of tombs from dynasty 4 - 6 at Giza with inscriptions naming the pyramids by their theophoric names. they name Khufu's pyramid by her sacred name "merj akhet Khufu" (meaning "the pyramid of Khufu's horizon").
Sorry you haven't convinced me ! So Khufu builds a monument bigger than anything ever but the only markings are builders graffiti? Why wouldn't khufu have put his cartouche in atleast one area. Nope I don't believe it.
This is an excellent channel and I have no idea why it's never been in my suggestive feed until recently but I'm glad I found it. Definitely top-notch content!
Yes, please make a video about others evidences of Kufu been the builder! Great video btw! Been following for many years now. Still get excited every new video. Thank you.
The painting/symbols you see in the shaft (the robot video) seem to be almost the same exact color.
Yep. Same substance I bet.
Why would egyptian government want those samples back, and why they never did the testing them self's.
I can't trust Egyptian authorities for this exactly motive
The samples are useless for testing because they include surface contamination. People have been burning modern candles in the chaimber for two hundred years, and the soot will be covering every surface.
well we can guess! Cover up.
Well most importantly, it sets a precedent of how aggressively they will pursue such offenders to deter future copycats letting them know how petty they will be and will have any crumb you take seized and returned to Egypt. Also, it would be the most accurate means of knowing exactly what was chipped off.
Thank you for the time and effort you put into these episode's, really find them interesting and have learnt a lot about old Egypt, through your channel and the HistoryforGranite channel, both are exerlant .
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The only genuine graffiti type paint ocre would be one that was impossible for us to get to to forge it. Was like the one found behind the Queens Chamber shaft stones when they drilled an hole through the blocking stone would be believable.
Not really ocre is used in paints today you only need the mineral and a binder to make the paint.
@@manoo422forge as in fake, not create. They are saying the location wouldn't be reachable by anyone other than the builders
@@manoo422 I'm not talking about making the paint, I'm on about where the paint inscription is found. Such as an area where a human can easily get access to then they can forge the inscription where'as an impossible area like the one behind the blocking stone proves that is genuinely done by the builders.
@@davidcorbett341 The case for them being real is quite strong since what was written wasnt know at the time they were found. There is also quite a lot of it which makes forgery less likely as it would have to have been copied from somewhere...
@@manoo422 when was that paint inscription found, what year. Is there any photograpic evidence from then?. It could of been painted much later.
I'm willing to bet that the quote by Pückler-Muskau is a translation error and he meant something like "they're almost like new" or something like that.
Given the positioning of the markings, it seems highly unlikely they were put by the teams that laid the stones, and less likely by the team moving the stones. The markings don't seem to overlap multiple stones and also appear both vertically and horizontally in respect with the position the stone is laid (except for what appears to be straight lines going across multiple stones - more likely by the team laying it). But why do the markings only appear in that place, if they were putting these markings on stones at regular intervals, or for every stone? Other stones that were hidden have been exposed over time (through blowing them up, stealing outer granite casing stones etc), so should we not be able to see other markings in other locations?
Have similar markings been found in any other pyramids as well?
If other markings have not been found like this anywhere else, does this imply somehow those stones were more special or required some kind of traceability back to the workers that quarried/shaped them? It just seems odd to find worker markings only in this location for the relieving chamber stones.
"does this imply somehow those stones were more special"
I would say that's definitely not out of the question. The stones visible in the relieving chambers are some of the only *limestone* blocks that are key structural elements of the pyramid. Most other limestone is only really there to fill out the volume. It definitely makes sense for the stones that could bring the center piece of the whole project down (if they were miss-placed) to be traced more diligently.
Or maybe stones were usually placed with the graffiti on the top or bottom (where they were ground away when fitting stones to each other). And these stones in the relieving chambers are some of the few stones where their measurements are important enough that they had to be placed in other orientations.
And the gaps between outer casing stones are so exposed to the elements that you wouldn't have found graffiti there after a few dozens or hundreds of years, let alone thousands.
But as said, absence of evidence (for more graffiti) isn't evidence of absence (of more graffiti).
@@Pystro Good points. I also understand absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. However would we not expect other earlier explorers to have mentioned any markings they came across as they revealed fresh stone?
I admit that I don't know enough about this topic at all, just posing questions.
As a sheetrock worker I can tell you my graffiti is never on the finished side of the wall.
@@paulbean_me Your position as a sheetrock worker is irrelevant. For a start, it isn't a finished wall, but part of the inner structure never to be seen by public. Second, the markings go behind stones, meaning if someone wanted to fake it they would have to remove several tonnes of existing stone, likely to cause a collapse, only to be put back together again.
@darrenb3830 As a retainment wall builder, I've signed plenty of rocks that you'll never see unless you take them down.
They have do a CT scan under the edge of the stone to see if the writing goes UNDER the block.
LOL, a CT scan wouldn't reveal anything.
You know CT uses X-rays right? How is that going to produce anything useful for stone materials…
I tried to read a couple different books by Sitchen, and they were horrible. Many times he doesn't say that maybe this so and so might be this, but instead says that it is, even though he has no proof. Claiming certain megalith structures are launch pads for alien spaceships, and other outlandish things, while having absolutely zero evidence. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Sitchin has none.
When I was young I loved the books by Erich von Daniken. But when I learned of all the counter arguments there was nothing left of the excitement and mystery.
I am 100% convinced now "alien" technology is involved but not the little green men type nor is the pyramid for aliens to use. I believe an AI probe (aliens exploring the galaxy would send out smart AI robots basically not themselves after all some travels are 1000s of years). I believe the gravity drive used by this space craft dragged some space debris into a collision path with earth. The AI would be under no interference instructions but then has found it has accidentally almost wiped out intelligent life here 12k years ago (we know now massive extinction and likely multiple space rock impacts).
So as a result it watches and concludes it must re seed civilisation or humans may actually not make it. It's prime place is exactly in the middle of all the earth's land masses to allow us to spread out again the pyramid a giza
Now first of all it can't interfere it would be well aware doing so could doom us to failure. So it helped in a manner that we couldn't "notice". It would be well aware how civilisations start God's etc. It probably scribed instructions on tablets to get the ball rolling (know any myths about that!?)
It didn't have random stuff to hand out but it did have manipulation of gravity and material. This is why the people found themselves able to "build" with help they didn't know they were getting. They were even able to "scoop" out what should have been solid granite.
Only the AI machining and design could create the old stone vase carvings. But it also had to make people work so that's why not all of the pyramid is machined. If you had machines you would machine it all you wouldn't machine some and do some by hand if you didn't have to.
It could be there was a machine they could use from this AI tech this was the god period. However in order to prevent this from becoming human history AI would ensure this machine stopped working any time they wrote about it or recorded anything to do with it.
Ai tried to re seed humanity in multiple places. Obviously without the "help" blocks became heavier cutting and machining much harder hence standards collapsed once it left but it got them going
This is the ONLY explanation that allows that level of technology to have existed but then be wiped out without a trace. If it was a previously civilization machines machinery other artifacts MUST exist but they don't. And yet their result delicate thin pots survive.
It's the only explanation that covered all bases
Once could expand as to why it chose a pyramid and of this size it may well have chosen a monument that it could reference even from light years away send a signal and either confirm they were still surviving like some radar type deal OR it may considering humanity was almost wiped out, have plans on ensuring no further problems and protecting them from something like huge solar flares etc. After all mankind was almost done for it had to make sure nothing else took us out before we got back on our feet
I like noght skarabs idea of having the heaviest granite blocks allready on site and raise them up a coarse at a time
Except.... one can see that during construction the plans changed ATLEAST 2 times during construction. Original idea, the mastaba burial: subterranean burial. Then the Queen's chamber, then the final king's chamber.
The thing that really struck me about the cartouche you first showed (knowing you were going to talk about it as a forgery) is the surety of the paint strokes and the comfortable stylization of the birds. (I'm an artist and my mind is drawn to details like that) If it was a forgery, they practiced a *lot* before doing it on the pyramid wall...and they were very confident using a paintbrush on a rough awkwardly positioned surface. Painting that cartouche couldn't be done first try by an unpracticed hand just from looking at Khufu's cartouche in a book. It would have looked like a toddler painted it (it doesn't). Unless he took a native hieroglyphics artist with him -- for instance, someone who made trinkets (or forgeries) for tourists -- I don't think an archeologist *could* have put it/them there with that kind of time crunch and as a last-minute decision.
What you've shown doesn't look "sloppy" (as detractors declared). It just wasn't intended as a decoration, obviously. They're signatures, workman's signage. Saying they're sloppy is akin to saying a handwritten letter is sloppy just because they didn't write the entire thing out in manuscript calligraphy. It's a silly accusation.
Sure, someone could have put all that there long after the pyramid was built (I don't suppose they've done any radiocarbon dating on the paint?) for reasons, but it's hard to believe that particular archeologist did it under the circumstances given. He would have needed weeks to do it himself or really good help to accomplish it quicker, he would have had to practice for many hours in secret, or to have spent time searching out a hieroglyphics artist willing to do that. Just, uh-uh.
Yeah definitely only an artist with a good hand know how to paint and how to use a brush for make "shitty" graffiti on purpose like those in a dark room with only candles without spilling anything and without a single error
Exactly! Looks like how I would sign my work on a house on some obscure beam, swift, sure strokes without any thought about 'constructing' the letters at all. Who ever wrote that had been doing it all his life. These writings make the pyramids come alive - more so than all the cold stone and complex passages. Aliens my ass!
Actually the inscription would have been done at the quarry in bright sun. An ancient barcode for delivery and crew ID.@@donaldfuck
well, to be fair, the man was extremely talented at drawing and reproducing hieroglyphs, just look at Vyse's journals! I do think it's quite possible that he manufactured the marks, but that's just my own feeling.
Thank God for the gunpowder archaeologists doing what little real exploration has actually been done. Now for decades we’ve been stuck with Egyptologists who are content to play guessing games and paddy cake in perpetuity
Speaking as an uneducated construction worker, I must say that this may be evidence of a “Topping Out” ritual of some sort. We still practice a variation of it today by having workers scribble signatures and such on the final beam placed on a skyscraper. I thought it had roots in Scandinavia but after seeing this, perhaps the ancient Egyptians deserve credit. 😊
Food for thought, anyway…
Obviously, forged by aliens to throw us off the trail. They are always one step ahead of us with that advanced technology.
Yeah of course aliens with spaceships and advanced technologies needs to build some huge pyramids of fucking stone
Howdy from Temple, Texas, USA! Great content, thank you!
Thank you 🙏
The quality of your work is amazing. It's better than all tv documentaries i've ever seen on ancient Egypt. It's just packed with information and nice visuals with no meaningless filler content. Just a pure top tier RUclips Channel. The same goes for HistoryforGRANITE.
Thank you guys for the work you do. I'm going to Egypt in November because of it.
That cartouche has been proven a fake because it doesn’t annotate Khufu’s name properly
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Interesting that Khufu didn't display his name or inscribe anything anywhere in the pyramid.
Like a monument and/or altar.
Captain Cavilgia took up residence for a short while, in davidson's chamber? As in, he lived in it for a little while?
I can't even imagine going in once, for 5 minutes, into such a confined space, so deep inside the pyramid.
These old explorers were some hardcore dudes.
He camped in there, yes! He was a bit… er…. On the crazy side… by all accounts.
At least there were no insects or bats!
didn't Aleister Crawley "have his honeymoon" in the king's chamber?
Flinders Petrie was on that kinda eccentric side too!
Paul Brunton wrote a fascinating book ‘A search in Secret Egypt’ which has a chapter on his overnight stay in the Kings chamber.
if you tear down a skyscraper, you would find work crews' marks on some of the steel, especially on a bigger or more important piece.
Logical facts are so hard to debate. Another Excellent video!
Cheers for watching
@AncientArchitects
Thank you for continuing to relentlessly pursue the truth, and present the evidence without bias. There are so many who state their ideas as facts and you never do that. You let us draw our own conclusions based on the facts. It's very much appreciated by me and by others who have a great interest in the ancient world.
Great investigative video Matt! Thanks again for creating this thoughtful well researched and presented content.
And where is your evidence to present on whatever you claim to know or be true? That`s right, you have none after a few critical contrary questions (no offence). And that is by design, as this Prison Planet is filled up till the rim with deception, lies, propaganda, indoctrination, confusion and re-written "History"-books, as real Truth and evidence on truth are not allowed on this Planet. Just because I stated something unknown to most humans without any evidence doesn`t mean right away it is not true or did not happen. If I claim something to be true, but present no evidence, and so do you, both statements have the same value and can be both true or not true. As long as there is not one human being on this Planet that can present and come up with ALL complete Mathematical secrets on the Great Pyramid of Giza, no human should claim to know any (full) truth or knowledge what they are looking at as there might be more to this story and therefore incomplete (not much different as sponsored science is adjusting their findings every few years). More Mathematical discoveries are discovered every week by individuals. Sounds more like humans are slowly catching up what they are dealing with....or not. There is always more to something and therefore never the full Truth. Human Ego also likes to be predominant on this Planet, which is part of an (unknown) Infinite Universe in seize, time and dimensions.
And where is your evidence to present on whatever you claim to know or be true? That`s right, you have none after a few critical contrary questions (no offence). And that is by design, as this Prison Planet is filled up till the rim with deception, lies, propaganda, indoctrination, confusion and re-written "History"-books, as real Truth and evidence on truth are not allowed on this Planet. Just because I stated something unknown to most humans without any evidence doesn`t mean right away it is not true or did not happen. If I claim something to be true, but present no evidence, and so do you, both statements have the same value and can be both true or not true. As long as there is not one human being on this Planet that can present and come up with ALL complete Mathematical secrets on the Great Pyramid of Giza, no human should claim to know any (full) truth or knowledge what they are looking at as there might be more to this story and therefore incomplete (not much different as sponsored science is adjusting their findings every few years). More Mathematical discoveries are discovered every week by individuals. Sounds more like humans are slowly catching up what they are dealing with....or not. There is always more to something and therefore never the full Truth. Human Ego also likes to be predominant on this Planet, which is part of an (unknown) Infinite Universe in seize, time and dimensions.
And where is your evidence to present on whatever you claim to know or be true? That`s right, you have none after a few critical contrary questions (no offence). And that is by design, as this Prison Planet is filled up till the rim with deception, lies, propaganda, indoctrination, confusion and re-written "History"-books, as real Truth and evidence on truth are not allowed on this Planet. Just because I stated something unknown to most humans without any evidence doesn`t mean right away it is not true or did not happen. If I claim something to be true, but present no evidence, and so do you, both statements have the same value and can be both true or not true. As long as there is not one human being on this Planet that can present and come up with ALL complete Mathematical secrets on the Great Pyramid of Giza, no human should claim to know any (full) truth or knowledge what they are looking at as there might be more to this story and therefore incomplete (not much different as sponsored science is adjusting their findings every few years). More Mathematical discoveries are discovered every week by individuals. Sounds more like humans are slowly catching up what they are dealing with....or not. There is always more to something and therefore never the full Truth. Human Ego also likes to be predominant on this Planet, which is part of an (unknown) Infinite Universe in seize, time and dimensions.
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Videos like this are what make RUclips great. Thanks man. 👍
Thank you. Enjoy!
thank u Matt, did a video exactly on the same topic some months ago and was praying for somebody to explain the whole thing, you know the Italian trio that wrote "Giza, la caduta del dogma" they say in the journal of Vyse, he tells Perring and Mr. Hill to actually draw the cartouche themselves,,,which sounds a lil bullshit, but, did u see this in the journal? apparentely it is available JUST at the British Museum😅
That is a misreading of the journal. Again, I mention Martin Stower a lot, and he transcribed to passage in question and it mentions nothing of the sort. I may go and have a look at it soon by appointment and photograph each page.
@@AncientArchitects wonderful thank u
Superb research, Matt. Really enjoyed this.
Can you tell us where can we see the virtual imagages of the chamber that you used on the video?
Did anyone test the red ochre for age or did I miss a trick ?
Yep you missed the part where he explained that ochre is made from ferric oxide, which is inorganic, and could have been formed millions of years ago. you can only carbon date organic items, like say bone etc, it could also have been touched by potentialy thousands of people, leaving human sweat/oils on it since it was discovered.
When paint dating is used to prove if a painting is forged, it's proven because the forger used a paint that contained something that did not exist at the time it was supposed to be painted, like say titanium white, so the prescence of titanium in the pigment would prove it is a modern forgery
If they used an organic binder for the paint like egg, or animal fat, then it may be possible, but highly unreliable. Organic matter doesn't tend to last for over 4,000 years except in extreme circumstances, so would prove nothing.
@@viciousfish6145 Come on, if the writing is still there - the binder is still there as well, be it animal fat or egg. If there are so many cartouches, the Egyptian authorities should take a sample from some of these.
@@JC-XL it won't convince the people who want to believe in aliens, you know the ones who arrived here from light years away, but left no trace other than copper or stone, so why destroy an important artifact until we maybe have an accurate, provable way to analyse it properly.
Remember, it's easier to fool someone than convince them they have been fooled.
@@JC-XL don't get me wrong I want to believe, that would be the best discovery ever, but common sense says it's not likely.
I would like to see a comparison done between the Masons marks & the name of the King
Is the style the same? are the pigments the same? carbon dating? thickness of the brush?
Not saying the Pyramid is older than Ancient Egypt but
It's as old as the Sphinx
I mean, why even write the kings name? the Masons knew who he was
It's hard to perpetuate a hoax if you don't copy and paste a bit. Then leave the hard analysis to others, whom can be ignored and subjected to ad hominem attacks.
Mr. Sibson, your contributions are going to reverberate far into the future. God bless you, sir, & keep up your -good- excellent work.
Brilliant! Case closed. And, yes, please make another video about the Khufu evidence, I am sure it will fascinating.
GREAT video as always, would love to see a video on the topic of the other evidence for the great pyramid being built for Khufu
Thank you
Thinking that someone who builds a huge genius structure like the Great Pyramid and then only has his name written on it with poorly made graffiti doesn't equate to thinking at all. That is a ridiculous notion to begin with.
The casing stones have fallen off, the wall is eroded, the temple is in ruins. You are looking at the skeleton of the original construction.
The brush strokes in Vyse’s journal of the bird in the cartouche are different than those on the blocks. Another piece of evidence her didn’t forge them.
On the blocks, you can see that the bird’s head, belly, and BACK leg are done in the same stroke. It’s the front leg in the journals.
Thanks for these great videos Matt!!
You can read a response from author Scott Creighton, and then an open discussion here: www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/375217-vyses-secret-cache-the-proof/#comment-7714122
Thanks Matt.
You can also see in Vyse’s journal an expanded view of the circle with lines in the middle. It’s above the larger cartouche, with a number 1 linking the expanded circle with the larger cartouche. Seems that Vyse was not happy with the level of detail in the larger cartouche and wanted to expand on it. Excellent video by the way!
hi and hmm why not carbon date the paint?
Damage. Was attempted illegally before
The sample is contaminated with modern carbon.
I do hope that in the future, it will possible to carbon date the red paint used for the graffiti. And compare it to the red paint that can be seen in inside the tiny space at the end of one of the "air shafts". Hopefully, some day in the future, a tiny robot can go in there and scrape some paint of. Anyway, an absolutely magnificent video! Incredible work! Thanks for sharing!
Great research, and compelling analysis through a critical lens, as usual! Thank you for sharing your passion!
The Greek historian Herodotus named Khufu (Kheops) as the builder. Furthermore, numerous Egyptian hieroglyphic texts name Khufu as the builder. So, it's not true to say that these inscriptions are the only evidence we have.
but whole Egypt is full of hieroglyphs beautifully carved and painted on the walls, and here on the greatest monument someone with red marker put 3 hieroglyphs.. cmon man are you serious
Maybe because putting texts inside tombs was not common during reign of fourth dynasty? Ever thought of that?@@vladislavgorshkov737
@@vladislavgorshkov737what about the carvings of Khufu himself and his name at his funerary temple and the causeway which are attached to the pyramid? And you can’t just say “he built around a pre-existing structure” because even Hancock admits the pyramids are 4500 years old.
@@yungclinky you are likely to be right, since I do not possess that research, especially that it is known fact that Khufu boat was recently discovered and dig out near the Khafre pyramid. However, I mean that few hieroglyphs written on awkwardly placed blocks inside pyramid is evidence that the worker or our time charlatans left their mark - which in no way can tell anything about the legacy of greatest monument on Earth
@@vladislavgorshkov737 I get your point for sure, however those heiroglyphs are proven to be official workers marks and not either a hoax or as an official feature made to be seen by the public. We know they are workers marks because of both what they translate to and the fact many of the marks and Khufu cartouches (there are many of these in the relieving chambers of the great pyramid) are cut off by other rocks being mortared halfway on to them, if that makes sense.
When was the first publication of the horus medju name for Khufu? And who by?
31:11 You missed the correction above the cartouche where the 3 lines are clearly shown within the O shaped glyph. It is marked with a '1' (or a tick) not an '*' this time. It is further proof that You are correct and have restored to Vyse his name :-) 37:45 I am stunned that you mentioned that filthy name in decent society. I am glad that you are in a better place, this has been a tour de force. A true name restored and perhaps Hancock's Half Hour needs some redeeming. I think that this is one of your best ever presentations :-)
Graffiti survived duizend of years but since its discovery it already faded away😅
Love your videos Matt can you talk about the pyramids that are in China
One day! There is just a lack of good info sadly.
@@AncientArchitects oh ok I hope you can also there has been some theory’s you might like that the mythical xia dynasty emperors are buried in those pyramids and maby even the 1st mythical emperor
Another Excellent Video! I do believe that the tomb that was dug under it was the first tomb of someone else, and Khufu decided to build his tomb over this older very holy site/tomb. I just hope they explore the new void.
Thanks for watching
Ah, another happy moment watching your videos. Keep em coming.
Any visible quarry markings were very likely cleaned up soon after initial construction. This is supported by the fact that markings have only been found in spaces that were originally sealed up. Otherwise the markings would have been seen and recorded by various historians, even if they had corroded away and faded out later on.
We now have samples of undeniable quarry marks. Up the queen's shaft (both) you can find a bit of red graffiti.
Scrape some off with a new robot, compare to these and presto.
Yet, the name is wrong.
The king’s name was UfuRa, not Khufu.
The circular glyph was a Ra circle, not a Kh-sieve.
(Note, the king’s name goes to the end - ie: Ufu-Ra.)
See the Abydos king-list.
The cartouches of all the early kings have a Ra, not a sieve.
Early kings were the son’s of the Sun-god, not a sieve.
The incorrect spelling suggests a fake.
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@@RalphEllis your 'son of Ra' argument is probably not correct... I do believe Djdefre was the first to use 'the son of Ra' epitaph 😉
The only problem is why hasnt anyone tried to carbon date those paintings? I mean there are plenty of them, all the same age(if they are original).
If at least one of them was dated 2500BC,it would be a substantial proof, that Khufu built the pyramid. Im sure they did the testing, but results are not available for some reason(whether its because they are forgery or smth else), still this is strange to say the least.
Also Cartouches are drawn to be seen. It would be a different story if all those paintings were done for construction purpose(for ex to indentify which stone goes where), like some numbers or brief descriptions, but those are clearly "i was there" type of paintings.
This is a solid argument towards official point of veiw, but for me its still not enough to claim with 100% certainty that Great pyramid is Khufu's project.
Carbon dating is a destructive process. Why carbon date the cartouches when you can carbon date the pyramid? THIS HAS BEEN DONE SEVERAL TIMES STARTING BACK IN THE 1980s. The pyramid IS dynastic in age.
It’s incredibly difficult to date paint, it relies on the organic binder used. You need to ensure it’s uncontaminated and you need a big sample size. You’d end up destroying a lot. And you may get nothing. It’s a tough call.
You can only carbon date organic material that has... you know... carbon in it. Ochre does not necessarily contain carbon.
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But Khufu's Pyramid has a large amount of organic material in mortar. This has been carbon dated many times.
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I'm surprised you wrote this. I know you are aware of the mortar dating of Khufu's Pyramid.
Superb analysis- we welcome such a intellilectual analysis on the complex theory of the giza pyramid structure being a energy power station-
Both of you, AA & HFG, are much deserving of our thanks! 😊
Why would any workman write on a granite stone that this stone is going to Khufu's construction?
The only explanation is that they were building more than one pyramid at the same time.
Ths for this great vid Mat! True historical detective :-) Looking at the comments below I think it would be a good idea to show more supporting evidence from the Giza plateau. There is also the Merer papirus.
When Kufu looked at the pyramid in AWWW he saw it in the same context we do Now as an Ancient Enigma of geometric perfection and Absolutely No idea how such a thing was accomplished as many had and would try to top or even mirror it and failed to come close.
Excuse my excitement, but this video is FUCKING AMAZING!!! I always learn new things about Egypt from your channel, I love it!
Wow, thanks 🙏
At this point knowing how the pyramid was built is more important than knowing who built it
Thank you for all the research you have done to give us this video - one of your best - so informative and so enjoyable. Thank you again.
@ 31:12 it looks like in Howard’s journal he also uses a 1, similar to the asterisk to refer to an even more detailed version of the circle drawn just above the more detailed drawing.
He was a clever bloke, and we have no reason to doubt his credibility.
wood discovered in the great Pyramid was carbon dated to 500 years before Khufu. And it's actual date can be even much older than that. Therefore the "Khufu" graffiti is irrelevant to it's date of construction
A tree can be 100's of years old before it's harvested and then recycled for yonks years more!
@johnnisbet-pn2oc It is very hard to imagine a piece of wood should survive 500-600 years. I would be hard pressed to find such wood. Maybe the frame of a painting in a museum. My grandfather's massive oak table (family heirloom) is less than 100 years old. The wood found in the air shaft seems to be unremarkable, not a piece of furniture, so it is a stretch to imagine it should survive 1/2 a millennium!
I meant that the Pyramid's actual date of construction could be much much colder than the 3,k y.o wood piece, *"NOT"* that the wood piece could be could be much colder than. In any case the 3,k BC. Wood piece proves that the GP predates Khufu by *at least* 500! years. Therefore the ,Khufu cartouches refer not to the pharaoh but to some other person or thing
What I meant was that the 3,k y.o wood piece proves that the GP predates Khufu by *at least* 500 years. Meaning that the GP could be even much older than the wood of 3,k BC.
The GP has been found to have a preservative effect on organic matter as various sorts of animals getting lost & dying inside were found perfectly preserved. I did an experiment with a raw Inside a small thick cardboard pyramid and after a couple weeks, instead of rotting it became like perfectly preserved. So why not wood also?
Yet, the name is wrong.
The king’s name was UfuRa, not Khufu.
The circular glyph was a Ra circle, not a Kh-sieve.
(Note, the king’s name goes to the end - ie: Ufu-Ra.)
See the Abydos king-list.
The cartouches of all the early kings have a Ra, not a sieve.
Early kings were the son’s of the Sun-god, not a sieve.
The incorrect spelling suggests a fake.
R
it sure has been misspelled a lot the last 4000 years...
The info in this whole video and even graham Hancock don't agree with that assessment.
Ppl don't want to give ancient Egyptians any credit cause their ancestors didn't built it
You seem to or must have knowledge of the name translated in hieroglyphs and I think you may be correct as I don't see pushback and I think that may be because greater minds prevail and none in opposition are of a caliber to not be made a fool. I don't disbelieve nor believe what you say but I will remember and continue to consider there is a mountain of information lost and to be discover in searching for truth.
@RalphEllis
Very interesting. Pretty enormous claim: all these people are chasing the wrong name? I wouldn't know. I'm a layman. But that's my first reaction. Fascinating. Can you give some links maybe or references, something we can use to chase up that line?
Another excellent video Matt! Great work!
Thanks mate. Hope you’re doing well!
Another amazing video on a subject that is the equivalent of a Mine Field. Great job!
Keep the mystery alive. Keep the funding coming. It’s all a business.
It is… this like this need to be put to bed.
@@AncientArchitects Yup! And Egyptology is a big business. Keep up the good work brother. 🫡
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Excellent video. Horace Medjudu is the key. It completely removes implantation theory motive. Love the video. I would love a video on the external evidence of Khufu construction.
Mentioning Sitchin et al immediately casts doubt
He has no credibility. Not when you really look into his work.
It seems to me that the pyramid has been built up and renovated, and added to, many many times throughout history. And as such, even if the cartouche graffiti was real, it doesnt show the age of anything.
Thanks for spending a hour debunking the hoax theory I never knew about. I must read the right kind of articles these days. Gave up with von Daniken and UFOS over 50 years ago. Keep up the good interesting work.
Fantastic analysis, can you do one on Khafre's Pyramid and Menkaure's Pyramid showing how they were assigned to the pharaohs?
May not be a hoax but it's just as valid an indicator of age as all the other graffiti in there -- that being: not a good indicator at all
Since I think its been established that these marks a pure graffiti i.e. they reference the gangs working in the quarry only? My problem is if they were done at the quarry then why are so many stone blocks orientated to face into the chambers because the quarry men didnt place the blocks...Also why have they only been found facing into the relieving chambers and nowhere else in the pyramid, that wouldnt seem credible.
The paint is very delicate. Any part of the pyramid that has had people and bats rubbing up against it for thousands of years would have it removed. And likely the original builders would not have left any paint on the visible interior faces of the walls. So the only place the paint could be seen is in inaccessible spots. We do see similar paint within the 'air shafts' emanating from the Queen's Chamber. Similar paint is also found on the backs of casing stones and other masonry that detaches from the various pyramids.
They can be seen in the gaps too, so they’re on numerous faces of these blocks. These chambers are the only ones totally sealed for 4,500 years. So not insects, bats or humans have been in there to destroy them.
It is wonderful to see that there are still people who are capable of accepting that they may be wrong, and when presented with the evidence, can change their mind.
A video on all workers markings? Sign me up!
So go to modern day graffiti in old buildings, is it done during the building’s lifetime or once it’s found deserted?
Another thing that has encouraged people to believe that it’s a hoax is the sudden collapse in knowledge and skills of building and making structures and artefacts.
The dynastic Egyptians reclaimed the sites and rebuilt / repaired as best as they could. Same thing happened in South America.
At Tannis in Egypt you can see clear destruction including massive heat damage all coming from the same direction, with the only logical explanation being an explosion or some other kind of cataclysmic event hit the area.
Sudden? They kept building pyramids until the New Kingdom.
@@AntonSmyth-od6rc Mud brick pyramids no less.
One thing I dont understand is why discovering that there are a couple of empty gaps is so interesting other than the writing. More information is better, but its hardly exciting.
Is there any correlation between the chambers above the Kings chamber and the enigmatic plates on the right side of the Dendera Light Hieroglyph? Both halves of the Dendera glyph representing the kings and queens chamber respectively.
Since most of the buildings and temples at Dendera were built during the Ptolmaic period I doubt it but it’s not impossible they were inspired by the design.
Hancock stands where the money is. Time to put him with Sitchin, where he belongs.
Didit anyone else notice that the cartoshe is written sideways, instead of vertically. what ancient Egyptian would do this?
It could have been written on the block vertically at the quarry, but it was rotated when installed in order to fit with the surrounding blocks. I don't think the marks were written after the blocks were installed. They were written before installation. That's why they are in multiple orientations including upside down.
maybe they placed the stone 90° HAHAHA
We know that the workers took care of the geometric position. Any line between two blocks is original, they were made before the positioning of the stone blocks. If you find a continuity of red lines behind the blocks, we know that they are original from that period
Yes Matt there are more pieces of evidence to Khufu built the pyramids . What amazes me are those people who think that archaeologists are fools .They are all scientists dedicated in the search for knowledge .Only the book writers have an agenda and that is to sell books to the gullible .
To me, without detailed caligraphy analysys this leads nowhere. It could be easy for an expert to determinate if one man or two men did it, and with what hand. Why no one does it? Beats me...
Since the Wood found on the claw tool located in the Queens shaft is over 7000 years old, then all artifacts & inscriptions of a newer Carbon Dating are just proof that these Societies were clueless as to the ORIGINAL Construction of the Megolithic Structure, built there. Killjoy was here, obviously mean he built this! Lol😂
@fennynough6962
Can you give us some references and/or links to support this, please?