The State of Movie Criticism + My Thoughts on the Chris Stuckmann/Madame Web Controversy
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Do you find movie criticism to be valuable and resourceful...or obsolete and toxic? Recently, the subject got a giant spotlight when a video by Chris Stuckmann went viral. Here are my thoughts on the importance of movie criticism as well as my take on the controversy surrounding Stuckmann.
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This made me legit LOL
Ur so funny
You’ve easily become my favourite movie critic over the last few years just because of how honest and articulate you are with all your positives and negatives.
I agree ! Always appreciate your candidness and enjoy this video
Agreed
Criticism isn’t bashing. It’s not bullying. It’s not being a meanie. It’s ridiculous to say it’s “bashing artists and filmmakers”
I think it’s more so the people that don’t have more to their thoughts beyond calling something trash.
I mean sometimes yes it can be turned into it especially by more toxic people but it isnt that overall
@jadenbryant9283 and those are fine, he’s not talking down to fair criticism. More so the rage part of RUclips, social media, etc. It’s just his choice.
If you say everything is good, then you’re also saying everything is bad.
Of course. If you create a film or anything else in any other expressive medium, you receive public criticism, whether it's positive or negative, constructive or destructive, perceptive or stupid. Deal with it.
Old Chris Stuckmann would have made a hilariocity out of modern Chris Stuckmann.
This perfectly encapsulates his fall from grace. Damn shame.
I feel the same about Stephen Colbert
His movie will need to be great for it to have been worth it.
there hasn't been a fall of grace. its like you guys didn't even watch this video. @@El_Wanderer91
@@solarplexus7 and Howard Stern.
Remember when Chris Stuckmann did hilariocity reviews? Good times.
Oh yeah. I completely forgot about those!
I miss those
I was just about to comment that. No shade towards Chris but since he made changes I just don't find enjoyment or value in his channel anymore. It's too bad at one point he may have been my favourite reviewer on RUclips.
Yeah. Chris Stuckman wants you to forget about those vidieos. Whould you kindly?
Shhhhh, we're meant to forget about those
That bit you did with the roof caving in was spot on. Makes no sense that filmmakers think they are immune to criticism after making a bad product because "they put a lot of effort into creating their vision." Don't understand how sports broadcasters can be so critical to all these athletes playing poorly and get no flack, but telling people a movie is bad is forbidden
Very true. It is a consumer product. If the customer is not satisfied, then they have a right to say so.
I wish he would have given some examples of you know, filmmakers *actually* acting like they are immune to criticism.
@@Stew91Just look at some modern feminist movies. The product can be objectively bad, but instead of taking responsibility for the poor ticket sales/ratings they shame and slur the "toxic men and fanboys" for ruining people's perception of their product. Do not even try to tell me they don't do that; every Mary Sue article does this. Then you find out that ironically, it was the men who make up the majority of the demographic that watch their "female-centric" projects. Absolutely hilarious.
@@chomosuke0720 Exactly. This is the way that feminist movies make themselves critic proof. 2016 Ghostbusters female reboot was a very very bad piece of filmmaking on every level. If you acknowledged it was horrible, you were a toxic male who hated female-driven movies. In today's woke society, doing this can get you cancelled. This makes men afraid to say the truth, so they give it a pass on paper.
Stuckmann's not a movie critic anymore, because he now won't do both halves of the job, yet he feels quite comfortable criticizing movie studios based on inference and supposition. It's a strange twist.
The sad part is that, for all the valid complaining about media and how it isn't above criticism, the state of film criticism itself is in worse shape than that of media. Most of the RUclips channels now on the "bash Chris Stuckmann" bandwagon aren't really knowledgeable film critics either, and many have their own predictable "anti-woke" dog-whistle axes to grind to get viewership. I would never go the majority of these people for an objective or informed opinion of a film, so many of them looking at Stuckmann's critical qualifications should also take a look at their own.
Most people don’t have time to watch every movie like movie critics, so just find a movie critic with similar taste and they will find hidden gems for you
That's why I follow Jeremy Jahns. 90 percent of the time if he likes it, I will too
I work at a theater so I go maybe 3 times a week
Hollywood Chris is going to lose his shirt if he stops doing what got him 2 million subs
Exactly. That is why I like 3C and this guy and I like their attitude. My movie taste is all over the place for real but I've found 2 or 3 YT critics that I have a similar taste in and I know they give honest reviews. I trust YT critics way more than "Professional critics" who have studied the art of cinema for forever.
Or just go with your gut feeling and watch any movie that makes you want to watch it.
Bashing Madame Web saying it’s OBVIOUSLY the Studio’s fault with absolutely no evidence to back it up. Then you find interviews with the director and writers and they talk about how it’s exactly what they wanted and how proud they are of it…. Someone’s lying.
Every single viewer should read your comment. Absolutely based.
It's obviously the latter. Because studios are more prone to imply the rule of don't talk about how horrible working on this was.
Keep in mind that they are often contractually obligated to lie. There are many cases when filmmakers came out later, after the contract expired, and given us their true feelings. Granted, I do agree Web was mostly likely at least partially the fault of the creatives, but we cannot be certain without more information. This is why, as Cody pointed out, Chris's video is really just pointless. There is very little evidence he is intentionally lying about anything.
The director and writers. They are the ones lying in this instance.
"Then you find interviews with the director and writers and they talk about how it’s exactly what they wanted and how proud they are of it"
Newsflash: People sometimes lie. Especially when actors are contractually obligated to appear in promotional interviews about the movie they are in and their contract (and etiquette) demands they can't say anything openly negative about the movie _if they ever want to be hired by any studio ever again!_ Becausen o director or studio likes it if actors bite the hand that feeds them.
Totally agree about Chris's perceived "holier than thou" attitude.
But the thing that annoyed me most about that video is how nakedly disingenuous it is. It is painfully obvious he wants to ride the SEO wave without breaking his new "value" system.
He knew what he's doing. ☹️
100% and that’s what stood out to me as well. Not whether or not he liked Madame Web.
@@CodyLeachYThe definitely did not like it, haha. That part of the video was so funny to me. He obviously wanted everyone to know he hated it... so it was like a review by omission, hahah.
It would honestly be clever if it wasn't so obvious 😂
Holy Smokes, I thought you were dead... For the record, no I haven't watched or kept up with anything other than the microwave videos... Also I'm socially awkward, please don't eat me in my sleep!
And this is why Mr.Cody Leach, is my favorite RUclipsr. This was a Masterclass video, and I agree 100% with you.
He kind of looks like Chris stuckmann
I do think there can be too much negativity in film discourse. "Your Movie Sucks" and "Cinema Sins" are examples of channels that use "criticism" as a shield for being obnoxious and nit-picky
But art will always be open to criticism. There's no way around it
lol you do realise cinema sins obviously isn’t being fully serious??
@@step9624 Weird, because back when he was also doing serious review videos the criticisms were basically identical to those in the sins videos.
@@step9624 Of course, but I don't think you can deny their influence on film criticism has been pretty ugly. Loads of people use those "sins" as if they are valid criticisms
I miss when Cinema Sins was like a video version of going to IMDB and looking up a movie's goofs section. It felt like they went to IMDB, took the goofs section, and then broke down the movie to actually show all the goofs. But it's not like that anymore.
@@step9624 , Cinema Sins was pretty good when they started out. It was like seeing the goofs section from a movie's IMDB page being put into video format and actually showing the goofs. It's not like that anymore.
Cody, love the channel. Here’s the issue with Stuckmann (who I have watched on RUclips for years) is that is refusal to give honest criticism of movies is that he has now become part of the insular Hollywood crowd now, that refuses to criticize others in the same crowd, even though their work probably deserves it. That’s it in a nutshell.
That’s HIS choice though. People are making videos on this like it’s cancer lol
He wants to be a director in Hollywood and trashing other colleagues work will get him blacklisted in the town. Why so many people care so much I don't understand. I liked him then and I like him now and he's entitled to find his own happiness. People try and tell themselves that being I'm Hollywood would be a vapid and empty existence but I think you all are just lying yo yourselves to make yourselves feel better. I think being a famous actor making millions would rule and I'm not in denial of that.
Your review of "Talk To Me" was quite literally what made me go and see that movie as I had no hope in horror anymore but man that movie was fantastic.
Doubt
How do you have no hope in horror? It’s literally at its best right now.
It was lame.
You had no hope for horror after 2022 gave us an extremely high quantity of good horror?
@@alexmaverick6647 literally
I was all about Stuckmann for about 6 years. When he changed, I found your channel and you are the go to now. I still pop in on Chris, but, I enjoy the notes of critical evaluation.
What really makes me mad is that people say he's doing it because he wants a career and now can't criticize movies at all because he wants to make it in Hollywood but the whole video is about how corrupt and greedy movie studios are
Yes exactly.
Right! Didn’t they even watch it? He basically said it had to be written by AI. He very much so shit on the movie without outright bashing it.
Two things can be true at once the studio is primarily at fault for this movie being bad and Chris is still a Hollywood shill who buries his head in the sand you know it's okay to critique people's work directors do it to each other all the time.
Which makes him doing this even the more strange then. Because one would think or assume he is becoming "a shill". He didn't exactly help himself here and now I'd wager he will get more criticism thrown his way. So he's literally become Chris Cuckmann
At the same time like Cody said. Chris has apparently openly admitted thats why he switched focus and won’t critique films.
I watched Chris’s vid and that was immediately the thought that i got. It’s rare that film makers 💩 on other film makers films in public.
So Chris just stopped all together.
I love the example you gave during the end of this video, Cody, because it's ABSOLUTELY true. It doesn't matter what part of the work industry you're in, you're going to have someone that's above that will tell you do things that make no sense what so ever. It's just the nature of the work force.
Robert Eggers flat out said that the studio kept him reigned in for The Northman....while it annoyed him he acknowledged it made a much more watchable cohesive narrative.
It's obviously not for all films. But what Sony is doing with the Spider-Man property. Warner's with DC and other things like cancelling films. The head of Disney forcing Marvel to put quantity over quality. Worrying about byouts. The studio is the problem, a lot of times.
@@georgioevans1289 Obviously…but blanket statements about the studio being the sole reason for madame webs awful quality is absurd.
@@halphpint7400You hit the nail on the head sir. Chris put heaps of praise on Bullet Train (a Sony produced film). Somehow the studio didn't doom that one to fail, but that doesn't fit the narrative Chris is trying to push right now.
@@funk0tron All the grifter were prasing Bullet train for being anti woke and same grifter are saying Madame web is woke. You mean to say same studio greenlight a anti woke and woke movie😂😂😂Man babies are mad bcuz some guy say he just want to do positive review.
@@IronLad-wn1ih Not sure what you're after here. I don't have an issue with Sony so I don't care if the movie is viewed as woke or antiwoke. My issue is Chris saying it's all Sonys fault for why this movie sucked and no blame goes to the director or writers. Chris doesn't praise Sony when it puts out a bunch of good movies he likes like Buklet Train, Missing, The Spider man animated movies, No Hard Feelings, and so forth. I'm saying Chris is being a hypocrite.
Being needlessly positive in your criticism is just as toxic as being needlessly negative.
6:10 yeah I did that one time, Winnie the Pooh blood and honey blocked me on Twitter
Me too lmao
Hey I want to get blocked too. That guy who made that film is a hack
@@maskedman5657 woah, careful. You might actually get blocked even though you didn’t say much.
@@finlaywelburn I'm actually looking forward to it. That movie is hot garbage
@@CodyLeachYTThis is why I will ignore the sequel, even if it is good. The way the filmmakers responded to criticism made me lose any respect I would have had for them. Take the criticism, and use it to improve. Legitimate criticism is probably the best way of getting better.
What Chris is doing isn't nobel. He only started dodging honest reviews because of his upcoming film. He didn't want to be targeted.
Critical drinker was right in dissing him
I agree
Critical Drinker is an asshole, and anyone who thinks otherwise is very likely a real life asshole, as well. I am NOT saying he was wrong about Chris, but I would use someone who isn't a total jackass as a better example.
Yep. Completely agree also
when Chris decided to not give negative reviews to films, I left his channel. I understand from his POV, but I want people who will give me their honest review on a film, and not skip reviews because the film might be bad and they don't want to tick off Hollywood. Angry Joe did this with games....he started to not to give negative reviews on games so as to not tick off sponsors, and his channel started to go downhill.
I mean, I think he is still giving honest reviews of the movies he likes, he’s just choosing not to spend time reviewing movies he dislikes, which is fine.
Maybe I missed when that was happening but Angry Joe gives scathing videogame reviews ALLLLLL the time lmao
wft? angryjoe destroys pretty much every single game that needs to be destroyed at a regular base. i honestly have no clue what you're talking about.
I stopped watching Chris for the exact same reason. I feel like he kind of betrayed his core audience in a way. But I quit Angry Joe for a very different reason. His TDS was way too off the charts
Which is so funny because him being Angry about a bad game or a bad aspect of a game is his entire fucking gimmick.
If a creator cant be honest and authentic I have no desire to watch them. Just like if a movie is going to pander or preach I have no desire to see it. Very few youtubers walk the line between positive and negative criticism well, but you are always on point and fair with your issues Cody. Never change.
Star Wars (1977) had a lot improvements by the studio. Han Solo replacing a frog man being one.
You also have to give major credit to Marcia Lucas (George Lucas’s ex-wife) and her editing for saving the film. Without her, Star Wars wouldn’t be where it is at this very moment in terms of its impact and legacy.
@@carter_lovejoy Just want to clarify it had like four or so editors that had equal parts (includes george, though that's obvious), I wish that one video of that didn't get so popular as it's missing so much info and gets a lot of stuff wrong from its own sources. To try and tldr: they saved it from their own previous rough edit, that in of itself saved it from a single previously fired editor. This process also didn't really have any studio meddling, as far as I know.
@@magicalchicken5667exactly
I did NOT expect to sit through 25 minutes of this video but you grabbed me and kept my attention the entire time! And for a guy like me who has SERIOUS A.D.D. that's saying something! Well done sir!
Tremendous video, Cody. You broke down how valuable our time and money is and how you as a critic can help people dont waste either when choosing what movie they go to. Ive watched you for lomg enough to know where our tastes differ and when they jive and then use that to help me decide what flicks i wanna spend my time and money on. As always your honesty is much appriciated
I don't like when people only do positive reviews, I'm sorry, I don't find these people credible.
i'm glad people like you still keeping it real and jeremy jahns, when ya don't like something ya critizise it and in a humor way, chris has to understand life is not all rise and shine and positivity, life isn't fair and sometime you have to be real with it and acknowledge it
Loved the section about the sponsorships, really interesting information.
Chris and Jeremy have been big inspirations for me. I get that there is a lot of work going into filmmaking, I work in locations on film sets. But we shouldn’t be scared to critique films. Plus, the crew got paid. I’m sure they’ll be fine lol also I’ve been a fan of yours for a while too man. Keep it up Cody!
I unsubbed from stuckmann because its clear to me that he’s a sell out who’s just trying to get work in hollywood and playing nice with the idiots in hollywood who’ve been turning put garbage these last several years
I grew up loving Siskel and Ebert and guys like you and Sean Chandler have filled that void they left behind so thank you Cody!
Completely agree with everything you said here Cody. Also, thank you for the insight into sponsored videos etc. I didn’t know anything about that at all. I appreciate your transparency in this video. It’s why you’re a trusted reviewer for me.
This has to do with a bigger issue than just rejection of Film Criticism but criticism in general on anything... modern audiences are incredibly sensitive, emotional, and taking things at face value too much and will reject anything that is not positive... this is toxic positivity movement, and it impacts all corners of life now.
That’s exactly what I think it is. People have started equating genuine respectful critique with hateful bullying. As someone who was ACTUALLY bullied throughout my school years, people need to gtfoh with that false equivalence.
You are absolutely right. This is the key issue here. And stuckmann is the poster boy/girl
It reminds me of the "everyone gets a participation trophy" movement. It's stupid and boring.
@@peytonandamber9457but cinema is not a competition, so it's dumb to think it is lmao
@@elpeluca7780It's very much a competition and always has been...
There are two people at my job that always roll their eyes at me whenever I give a negative opinion on any movie. Both of them have told me that I just need to enjoy the movie and not think about it. Both of them feel that movies aren't supposed to be analyzed or critiqued, and you're supposed to just take a movie in and enjoy it for what it is, and not analyze themes or how a sequel is supposed to fit into a greater franchise.
What they're saying makes absolutely no sense to me.
I agree with you, I can't stand people that basically say you should have zero standards and just be a happy moron every time that you watch a movie. That was pretty much what most critics said about Dial of Destiny, just be happy and don't think.
I worry about the generation who grew up watching Cocomelon and other brain-melting "content" growing up. They would be perfectly happy watching glowing lights for two hrs and call it a good movie.
@@bigdreams5554I mean i grew up watching Teletubbies and still have a functioning brain so I doubt that has anything to do with it 😅
I can enjoy a movie for what it is, and critique it. X Men Origins is one of my favorite movies, and its horrible.
That's a terrible way to see movies. There's a message in every movie, and the experience is best when you identify and analyze these themes.
wow you really nailed exactly what we are looking for in a reviewer, ive watched you casually for awhile, but the reason i am watching you, is because of others you mentioned, have started to be less of a way to get a gauge for me how movies are, thanks for this, this was really well thought out!
Very eloquent and informative. This is how you do constructive criticism.
Honestly at 23 minutes I found this very relatable!!! My twin and I started our own movie podcast this year and right away the criticism was material people wanted to hear instead of our agenda on the certain topics.
I’ll always love Chris and have much respect for his decision but I miss when he would be an actual critic of a film he’s seen. I always found his opinions to be insightful and helpful to breaking down why a movie is the way it is, ya know.
Criticism isn’t the same as it used to be though. People love to go for the low hanging fruit and bash anything negative just cause it’s the wave. That being said, you are very much appreciated Cody. Salute!
Not sure what you mean, Siskel and Ebert could be pretty rough on movies, actors, writers and directors. I love hearing people talk about movies in a positive or negative way.
@@Mickey-1994there are so many RUclips ‘critics’ now who ONLY make videos about bad films. It gets more engagement.
@@Mickey-1994 We're talking about the Internet culture and self-employed self-styles RUclips movie critics. Not Siskel and Ebert, who are an entirely different, pre-internet generation.
@@TF2CrunchyFrog I can't help it if you don't understand.
Excited to hear your thoughts man
Everything you said about Chris was fair and I agree with you. It rubbed me the wrong way when he said that I don't give bad reviews because I respect filmmakers and I love movies too much. That was BS from Chris.
It's not just film criticism, it's criticism in any way, shape or form of anyone or anything. Without criticism there can be no progression or growth.
Chris supporting Better Help is lowkey disgusting if you know all the controversies around them
He doesn’t care as long as he’s getting the $ for it, he’s a massive hypocrite
@@step9624 I actually had no problem with Chris's vid but when Cody pointed out the better help sponsorship I suddenly realized how much of a hack Struckman is. This is pathetic.
@@souvikdeb808You do realize that is NOT what Cody was saying, right?
Also, something being low-key disgusting, every company on Earth is shady. Unless it is especially despicable, like Monsanto, NXIVM, big tobacco, or big pharma, if you expect only non-corrupt companies to be your sponsors, you will have almost none.
Very well ll thought out and spoken commentary in this video. So glad to hear coherent intelligent conversation. Great video Cody!
This is the best video I've seen on this topic. Well thought out and informative without feeling reactionary.
I'm confused. When did Chris Stuckmann ever say negatively criticizing films is a bad thing? I think he just personally chooses not to. Whats wrong with that?
2 things. In response to the Chris Stuckmann situation.
1. I do think Movie Criticism is slowly dying off. Because alot of people just don't take film criticism seriously unless it's about a movie they hate
2. The people who were the naysayers in Chris Stuckmann's section have the strangest form of Short Term Memory loss since Chris literally made a video saying how he looks at movies in a different light because of him working with movies now.
Like obviously if he wants to be a film maker he can't criticize films the say way because people are gunna be reluctant to hire him. Like do you honestly turn on your tv and here movie makers bashing other film makers? Of course not. Because they have a rep and a career to maintain.
it's a dead art. It's actually been dead for almost a decade.
Also, working in the movie industry itself or knowing the good & bad parts of it can affect how you critic a movie. A lot of people would say "they made it bad on purpose" when that's not the case ever, unless the whole movie crew is super burned out or abused by higher-ups.
Yes but on the other hand, who would want to continue to monetize someone like that? Just get out of the critic game and concentrate on trying to be one of the guys you used to diss, then. Cant have it both ways.
Chris Stuckmann really wants to convince people that when the movie is bad it's only the studio that's at fault and the amazing creatives were victims. Sorry, but there can be both studio interference AND shitty creatives. There are bad directors, there are bad writers and there are bad actors. It's perfectly reasonable to criticize them.
I've always loved your reviews Cody, your not afraid to say the flaws of a movie and you give a fair balanced opinion overall on your experiencing with seeing the movie.
Not that it has to be said, but Cody Leach is 100% the gold standard when it comes to movie criticism/opinions on YT.
I appreciate it
Thank you for clarifying about sponsorships, it’s very enlightening to those of us who don’t have the RUclips insider information
All ya gotta do Cody is ask John Flickinger
He's been quite open about how Chris became a superior gate keeper and axed John
What you explained with the Plane job is EXACTLY what my job just did, wvery department is so far behind and their grand idea was we'll do a meetong every monday morning. Absolute insanity.
Stuckmann sold out. He wont ever get a view from me again and I hope his "movie" bombs
Go to hell
You articulated your points so well man, that’s not easy to do when it comes to hot topics. Great video.
I still watch Stuckmann occasionally but I definitely watch your criticisms more nowadays because I love your raw and often brutal honesty and the casual way you say exactly how I feel about movies about 95% of the time 😂
Having said that, thank you for explaining your opinions on why Stuckmann did that video. For a while there, I did wonder if he did it just for the views but because I’ve been his subscriber for a long time, I felt that his reason went deeper than that. I really appreciate you clarifying what RUclipsrs go through with ad sponsorships. Again, your honesty astounds me and I absolutely love it.
Great video. I found your channel because I resonated with your taste and perspective, but I’ve stayed with your channel because I also value where and how we may differ. You do a great job acknowledging things you like about movies, things you don’t, and things you don’t like but you understand why others might. That’s why your channel has become my go to for film criticism. You are fair, insightful, and authentic. In a way, you give us permission to agree and to agree to disagree. Keep going. I’m here for it all.
Also I wanna point out the other side. Saw X is a great example. We both had low hopes for that because of the recent entries but after seeing your review and particularly your out of theater reaction I actually got excited to see it and may not have otherwise 🤘
You are right my dude. Well said, and thanks for the “behind the scenes” about how video sponsorships work. I was curious.
I really don't think Stuckman is throwing shade at anybody. If he did, he would be bashing his own old self. He never said he regretted his Hilarocity reviews and he did not take them down . I think his decision was a smart one because he believes that being a movie critic is not compatible with his new role as a creative. Making a bad review might mean that a producer of a movie that you just bashed won't be willing to invest in your project There is nothing wrong in protecting your own interest.
As long as you stay aware that all critics have biases and it’s their own opinion and never look at a movie critics review as anything objective I see no reason why anyone should be upset by anything a “critic” says.
Exactly. I don't know why some people find that hard to do.
@@rinzzzzie718 when I was a kid I had a bad habit of doing that with video game reviews lol but since the age of like 16 I’ve never seen a review of some form of entertainment or media as anything more than entertainment or media itself.
Damn good video. I think was a super coherent, fair and well articulated stance and overview of the topic.
Great discussion, Cody. I watched it all the way through. You and Sean Chandler are the two film critics I most enjoy.
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There are so many awful movies nowadays, and to Stuckmann the main reason is too much studio interference? So otherwise, most movies would be great? This has to be the most ridiculous argument of all time. I think many critics (like Mark Kermode, for example) noted that, at least in the case of Madame Web, it was bad because everyone involved - director, producer, actors, and everyone else in the production team, just wouldn't be bothered.
By definition, a "critic" has to point out the good as well as the bad in all movies. Renowned critics like Ebert, Siskel, Kael, etc., were often sarcastic and even brutal in their remarks. If you refrain from saying anything that might offend and moreover, the first three of your 8 -minute video consist of advertising some other product, please do something else instead.
I’ve been reviewing movies 14 Years now on RUclips. I have met some great people. Even Director Trish Sie, she Directed the last Step Up movie and the third Pitch Perfect film. She’s now working on the Netflix film Players. Have not seen Chris’s video just yet… But I agree 💯
Stuckmann can create whatever he pleases. if he wants to go this route of only praising movies, not criticizing them, good for him and his channel must produce such income, that why would he waste time watching garbage and creating a video when he can do literally anything else. no problem there and like you say, whoever doesnt like it can simply unsubscribe and watch any of the thousands of channels that are more balanced.
the problem with the video he made was that he was telling people how they need to stop watching movies that are butchered by blatant studio interference and to "decide with our wallets"...and yet he wont give an honest review on a bad movie. and this is just hypocrisy and even sort of arrogance...
he cant just have it both ways. either he should give balanced reviews, or stick to this route he chose. and if he actually wanted to speak about studio interference sometimes butchering movies, fine, but he should have omitted anything and everything about Madame Web...
Thanks. I do appreciate your channel
Remember when stuckman was like funny? Like when he reviewed the fanatic? But now he is such a suck up to Hollywood it's disgusting
He was never funny. He was milk toast at best.
If you don't suck up to Hollywood, you cannot have a career in Hollywood, unless you have already made it very, very big. It is what it is.
When you reviewed spider-verse (both films) and I heard you say, “it’s not a movie for me but I still enjoyed it” (because you aren’t a huge fan of animated film) I didn’t get mad at you instead I thought, if he doesn’t like animation but still liked this… that means I’m going to love it. Because I’m a huge fan of animated film.
Movie criticism will never die
I actually think that it’s really healthy that this is such an active conversation right now in the community. I still think that people look at it wrong with needing to be on one side or the other, but to me, we’re doing what we should be doing, which is examining something that we love in a deeper way. With that you’re always gonna have different takes. Cody, I think you are spot on with so much that you are saying. I agree with your viewpoint a very great deal and I also think it’s so informative to learn the business side of RUclips that I did not know. That helped me look at the video in question through a different lens for sure. Stellar work my friend.
"I actually think that it’s really healthy that this is such an active conversation right now in the community."
Except 99% of people involved in this topic on social media are just using it as an excuse to ostracise the next person from the "nerd community", sending hate messages at Stuckman over a non-issue. Because modern Internet culture has adopted the 4chan model: it is all about hate and many love to gang up on anything or anyone who used to be popular (be it RUclipsr or a celeb or whatever) from the anonymity of their chairs, because collectively hating something makes them feel better about themselves.
Now in regards to someone's comment that, "Criticism isn't bashing" well that's correct it shouldn't be that.
Criticism is giving a mature, thought out, and sensible breakdown of what they felt worked and did not work for a film. And then with that followed by if they liked or disliked the film overall.
And that's why I like coming to RUclips mostly versus fan groups as their reactions are more childish. Many even just bash films for the sake of bashing them to try and fit in as if they were in high school.
It's the toxic fandom that I partly would like movie criticism to die out. We have the "It sucks!" "Hollywood has run out of ideas", "You ruined my childhood!" mentality today.
Fans either forget or don't know that making movies is an art that is surreal, creative, and imaginative work that film artists share with us.
Instead the self-entitled world we live in today has no appreciation or respect due the films or the artists that create them. Not only the film but some film artists get bashed as well just over not liking their film(s).
They treat movies like a classroom assignment that has to have a particular structure and criteria that has to be met. And all of that while meeting the unrealistic expectation of appealing to every individual fan.
Many fans today cannot take the adult approach of just experiencing different things to find what they like. They act as if they don't know that they will not like everything. And that the things they don't enjoy they can just move on instead of making it a point to bash the films they don't like relentlessly and going way overboard.
It is just plain ridiculous.
Hollywood has run out of ideas is a statement thats so outdated. And this ain't true after watching indie animated shows. It has less to do with new ideas but rather the funding and having creative freedom to make an original movie.
Disneys Wish had the potential to be a good movie which is why theres so many animatics of people who wanted to see what the original concept was because the final film feels so corporate
@noobmasterruben5167 that's true yet so many still have that mindset saying it plus other regurgitated phrases as well like, "It ruined my childhood!".
Film artist who are fans of an original film is sometimes inspired to create their own version of these FICTIONAL stories with a new concept. My thing is if this ruins someone's childhood then they didn't have much of one to begin with LMAO!
I love Chris, in fact, I didn't knew that he was under fire for that video. I remember a video when he said that he only wanted to do videos for the movies that he likes, even though the algorithm in you tube shows that "hate videos or negative videos" are usually are more discussed or get more exposure or whatever it is named nowadays. I love him for that. Some critics enjoy to slams contents only for the clicks. Look what's happening to marvel, or IGN reviews, hatred is becoming a new way of to make money and that's happening in all RUclips. So, I think this is just another artificial outrage. The man has an opinion, and you can share it or not. What's clear to me that he loves cinema and for that I'll keep watching his videos.
You make a number of good points, but I don't know why Stuckmann should care about your business model or whether the majority of those in the over-saturated RUclips media-review market are left behind. In terms of the quality they offer, many should be left behind, particularly those who have to sound an "anti-woke" dog whistle in every video in order to mobilize bias instead of providing informed opinion. If you're somehow beholden to following trends, then that's your own objectivity compromised right there. For better or worse, and whether he can now maintain it or not, Stuckmann EARNED his "privileged position" through hard work; he doesn't "owe" other reviewers anything, especially those who are now jumping on the "Stuckmann bashing band wagon" for fun AND profit.
I said that he earned that position and never once said he owes anyone anything. You horribly misrepresented my point.
@@CodyLeachYT - Fair enough, and I apologize if I did. It is funny, however, to look at Chris' position as "privileged" if it's acknowledged THAT he earned it, as opposed to just saying he's just in a different position in the media-review food chain from other people. Where does "privilege" really come into it?
It's certainly fair to say that his success gives him advantages that other RUclipsrs don't have, but what of it? Somehow Stuckmann needs to be more "self aware" that others aren't at his level of success because he now wants to do things differently than he previously did, even though he and his channel "don't have to innovate or evolve" while he's also theoretically free to "do his own thing"?
One thing that he's probably very aware of right now is that there certainly is no "fraternity of critics" - everyone and his brother just "has" to make a video on this "controversy." Some of these videos ARE well done and add to a valid discussion, but almost all are also playing to current trends and their own business model.
Maybe his critics need to be more self aware as well.
I don't think Stuckmann is really casting shade on what other people do. I think his failure as a critic has far more to do with now only wanting to do half the job and a willingness to now pan studios but not movies.
But there's also just too much supposition for me in the entire thing, from Chris supposedly knowing how Sony works to other people reading his video as some kind of attack or cynical "clickbait" ad-money grab. Sticking to the facts, there just isn't all that much to this "controversy", so people throw in their theories to pad it out and give it a life of its own - and that, as much as anything else, is a comment on the current state of movie criticism, particularly on RUclips.
I certainly agree that everyone, inside the movie business and outside of it, is responsible for their own levels of performance and apathy. Anyway, you provided good food for thought.
Thank you for making this video! Most of us feel the same way about current day Hollywood. Sadly, the same thing has happened to the modern day gaming industry. These industries have traded in their loyal audience for ESG scores, and it's completely unacceptable. What sucks is they'll never learn their lesson because our government will just bail them out when things get dire.
"im not gonna bash on chris stuckman" proceeds to bash on chris stuckman lmao. you sounds super jelly dude. chris stuckman is arrogant who used kickstarter money for his tattoos, but youre literally doing the same thing youre accusing him of lol. taking advantage of chris bashing "for my fans". legit.
the ONLY legit movie critic on youtube anyway is jeremy jahns cuz he never bothers with this drama shit lol.
Never bashed him once in the video…but I don’t expect someone who uses the term “jelly” to understand nuance.
@@CodyLeachYT lol sure dude whatever you say
Chris Stuckmann doesn’t criticize movies anymore because he doesn’t want people to criticize his movie.
No, man. It is because he is a professional in that industry. Speaking negatively of people you may end up working with burns bridges and can end your career. This is true in ALL industries. Chris has been very direct that this is his reason for the change. He has not told other critics to stop making negative reviews. Cody got that impression, but it is just that, an impression, and Cody explicitly pointed that out.
Adam Does the movies was correct about Chris, it does feel like he wants to have his cake and eat it too.
When I was little I used to rent movies. No one in the store ever told me, "That movie is bad because of studio interference". I also sometimes watched movies in the cinema. No one there ever said, "There was probably studio interfere". I never read about such a thing in the newspaper. In school movies were rarely talked about at all and if it was, they said, "The Fast and the Furious is so good" or "Paranormal activity is the scariest movie of all time". No one knew about studio interference and talked about it. It wasn't until very late, when I started watching review channels around three years ago, that I learned that this was a thing. Where was I supposed to learn about that when the info wasn't there to teach me about it? It was either you or Chris who told me about it the first time I heard of it. Even after learning that this is a thing, I never think about it when I hear that a movie is good or bad, so for that reason I thought that Chris's video was interesting, because I hadn't heard all of that before.
I noticed Chris stuckman doesn't use the letter grades anymore. I miss those.
You know the world is messed up when someone wanting to be positive causes controversy
That’s an oversimplification of the controversy imo
The reason I stopped watching movie review channels was because I usually watched the review after I saw the movie and if I enjoyed the movie, hearing someone dump on it just isn’t fun for me. It pretty much coincided with the MCU dip in quality. I get that they aren’t making “good films” very often anymore, but I enjoy seeing these characters on the big screen and I just struggle supporting someone who doesn’t enjoy it like me
My only issue with movie criticism is that everybody thinks they are a critic and forget how to have fun. I'm not saying every movie needs to be loved or every movie is great. What I am saying is that it's becoming a thing where if it's not this grand movie or serious movie or even an Oscar bait movie, people shit on it. If it's just a dumb, fun time at the theater, it's awful. For example, Argylle. I loved Argylle. It's so much fun, it's so dumb, and I enjoyed myself. Meanwhile, Twitter people decided because it wasn't this serious spy action adventure, it was bad. If it didn't work for you, that's fine. If you had a bunch of issues with it, that's also fine. It's all about how you portray your issues, like cody said. If you can articulate problems you had in a way that's not just "oh its mid", then I will listen to what you have to say even if I disagree. That's what Cody is best at and why I love watching his reviews. He famously wasn't a fan of Halloween 2018, it's my favorite in the franchise. But because he actually knows what he's talking about, I couldn't be mad.
I appreciate your level headedness with your points made. I just really think others are overreacting. He hasn’t called most of his videos actual reviews for awhile anyway. And I sort of get not wanting to spend one’s energy on things you don’t like. He’s not putting down actual thoughtful critics either, just encouraging more thought beyond just “trash” or the rage videos.
Respect your opinion but it Still feels more like cope or at the very least gives disingenuous vibes to me even if its not intended
@JohnnyGoboy I don’t think it is personally. You could still tell he didn’t care for the movie in the video and he’s been honest about his change of approach for a couple years now.
@@BloodeeJacob then he should review it objectively and properly. He's opening a massive hole for himself when shelby oaks launches
@JohnnyGoboy he didn’t even label it a review in the first place. And he was still honest which is why I can tell he didn’t like it lol And yeah there will be an internet mob on him now to ironically prove his points. 😆
Adam Does the movies was right about Chris, he wants it both ways.
@Cody fun watch good discussion piece. I say all the time it is good to see you share your fandom and call them as you see them. Hope weekend is a good one
There doesn't seem to be any real critics who write anymore. Just RUclipsrs with ordinary opinions. Where are the real journalists like Roger ebert? I myself studied film in college and been watching films my entire life. I'm 39. I'm no gene Siskel. But I can tell you without a doubt. 99% of the youtubers out there know nothing about film. At least half of them have never even heard of some of the classic films like citizen Kane or the song of Bernadette or black narcissus. 90% of the younger gen zish ones don't know who gene Hackman or holly hunter or people like that are. And 99% or more have never held a film camera in their entire lives and have lived their entire lives on a cell phone. I'm no baby boomer but I'm old enough to know the real deal. Freedom of speech, expression and free will of course will always be allowed. But in this world celebrity used to mean something. Hard work in art used to mean something. If you don't know who sidney Poitier was. Then in my opinion maybe you have no business being a "film person". Solution. Keep your day job. Make a cat video. Keep your mouth shut. That goes for everyone including me. But if you are Tom Cruise. If you can make a billion dollars and you know what you're doing. Then go for it.
I definitely agree with you on this!!! It’s almost like people have this off feeling about his video just like you did, and maybe can’t put their finger on why. Some people have expressed that negative feeling in other ways. But you got it 🎯
I hope it’s not how it seems too, I was a long term watcher of his and spoke to him briefly years ago on twitter and always found him to be down to earth but maybe he’s gone into the movie world and thinks he’s a bit better than all us regular RUclipsrs now 😢
Great video! ✨👏🏻
I've done this for years, I have my favourite movie channels on here (Yours, Movie Timelines, Goodbad flicks, Horror geek, Brandon Tenold, Horror culture, fanboy flicks etc) and i watch those fairly religiously, I don't agree with all of your movie tastes or even all of the views expressed in them but I like the personalities, I enjoy the humour and the effort that's put into the videos and I get a decent amount of entertainment value out of them. It literally costs me NOTHING in return other than to watch like and subscribe so i wouldn't have the audacity to rant and demand anything from any of the channels I watch, like you say, if I don't enjoy the content you guys produce, don't watch it, I've done it plenty of times. There's very popular channels out there I don't enjoy for one reason or another, Chris Struckmans is one of them, YMS is another, yet I don't go on there to spout shit at them, I just don't bother watching. It means literally fuckall to them that one insignificant pauper like me isn't watching their videos, yet the damage I could do to them mentally, by leaving shitty comments and getting angry and in thier face is immense. There's no need for it.
I watch channels I enjoy, leave comments pertaining to the content, occasionally say thank you and then i switch off. I form a bit of a bond with people like yourself with watching so regularly, I'm not stupid, I know the bond is not mutual because people like yourself don't see me or even know I exist for the most part but that's the thing you get as a viewer from watching certain channels, it's just a shame that some viewers can't separate the fact that the experience they're having while watching a video, is not the shared experience the creator is having from posting it, it's not like having a one to one conversation.
I personally prefer bad movie reviews, i think it lends itself to good entertainment a lot more than glowing reviews do, there's just something so entertaining about watching someone melt down over a really bad film lol People need to realise though that no one is ever going to have the exact same tastes and thoughts as ourselves, no one. There'll always be films you like that I don't and vice versa, getting angry over it is silly.
Not only is giving creators grief just an unpleasant thing to do but some RUclipsrs just can't handle any form of criticism no matter how polite it is, I learned this the hard way a few years ago when watching a channel i enjoyed called Minty comedic arts, where the only issue i had was the mic the guy was using was tinny and not very good, it sounded awful and was off putting, so i jokingly asked him to buy a better mic in the comments and he exploded and gave me a load of grief, writing baby noises and posting hate filled stuff at me. I learned that day to just not watch channels I have any kind of issues with because the people running those channels are not always the mentally sane and nice people they portray themselves as, some of them have issues lol
The best thing to do as a viewer is just like and subscribe, occasionally leave a funny or thankful comment and piss off lol There's no point getting bent up on other peoples life choices, views or movie critiques, everyone's different, that's just a fact of life.
I am a fan of Chris's reviews and have been for a long time. Especially his passion for anime. People also I think like Chris who actually has a family, jobs, obligations. Came over adversity in much sense. That is challenging and commendable. So if many put him down I say they should cut him some slack.
I miss stuckmanns top 10 worst of the years.
I finally got around to watching this video, mainly because I got burnt out on watching lots of other videos on this topic, most of them rubbish. I wanted to watch this one when I was fresh, because I had a feeling that Cody would have a lot of good things to say.
I loved watching this, you brought up so many good points about why criticism is not only necessary, but can be genuinely joyous. I’m someone who still finds value in Many of Chris’ videos, but I found the way you navigated this subject to be respectful and insightful.
Your point on film not being exempt from criticism just because of studios and your hilarious plane story were highlights for me. Reminded me of ridiculous decisions made in former jobs of mine.
I respect the time and effort you put in to tackling this subject with the sincerity and seriousness it deserves.
Also, I also think the first Friday is boring as shit 🤣
It’s like a family that all smokes, and then one of them quits. The ones that still smoke are gonna have something to say. Nothing wrong with that person choosing to make a change.
Working under people who don't have any idea of what they're doing gives me PTSD level flashback.
Literally had a supervisor pull power on a machine whose process has to be verified and tested prior to use because he was certain you could hook multiple plugs to it despite being told otherwise.
Nice job, thankfully he knew nothing about the tools and equipment he was supervising and thus accidentally sabotaged several processes.
He’s afraid that if his movie sucks, he’ll look like a fraud while trashing other movies. Also, totally get the holier than thou vibes.
This is your best video. I am so beyond tired of a lot of movie people pretending everything is good and film twitter is so insanely guilty of this. Everything over there has to "rock" or "rule" and if someone says otherwise they get trashed.
When you are producing entertainment you can criticize it. When you produce propaganda they shoot you for criticism.
Your analysis of Chris' comments....... completely on point
I have listened Chrish for almost three year´s now. So i consider him a some what, close friend and here is what he meant... I think he has stated many times, he doesn´t consider himself of being better than anyone else.
14:04 - 14:12 you're actually the reason i watched the John Wick movies, and it's one of my favorite series of all time. that also inspired me to watch more action movies and it's becoming one of my fav genres because of your videos cody
If you're a movie critic then no movie should be off limits, if you hate it you don't have to completely dunk on it, if your articulate enough (which you should be doing this job) then you can put out a balanced critic.
Roger Ebert had a favorite story about when he was working at the Chicago Sun-Times and had written a "four-star review" of Ingmar Bergman's "Cries and Whispers." A reader called the paper and asked him if he should go see it (I guess this person didn't actually read reviews -- which, as any critic will tell you, is often the case). Ebert said he thought it was a masterpiece, and maybe the best movie of the year. "Oh," said the caller. "That doesn't sound like anything we'd want to see." Well, that was Ebert's version of the conversation, anyway.
The point is: Nobody can tell you how YOU should "feel" about a movie, or what your experience is or was or will be. A critic's job is that of any intelligent reporter: Report what you see, cite specific examples, and explain the reasoning that brought you to your conclusions. It's like building a case in a court of law. Actual, specific evidence is the foundation of the argument. Sure, all criticism -- and all filmmaking -- is autobiographical and subjective to a large extent. But opinions about anything are worthless unless the person spouting them can explain how and why they got there, and provide the actual evidence -- in this case, by citing actual moments (images, gestures, line readings, juxtapositions of shots) from the movie itself. Otherwise it's not criticism, it's just pontificating. I would never tell someone (especially a stranger!) to go see something. A critic figures that the audience is made up of adults who are capable of gleaning information from a "review" or whatever and making up their own minds. Consumer reporting directives are not only unnecessary but presumptuous.
@23:00 Amen to that Cody! You tell it like it is and it's why I sub to your channel because you don't hold back on anything👏👏👏