After a 4.5 month wait for a Civic Si, they sat me in the car and changed the deal, and after arguing with them to come down, still a 16% increase. I walked away and ended up in a Forte GT. And honestly I love it and got the manual transmission. It's everything the Si is and more... and cheaper. If you are a driver and can't afford some of the more expensive driver cars, this is a great car. A lot of fun and drivable as a daily car. I disagree with the assessment of the Harmon Kardon. For this price point it is an amazing sound system. Far better than the system in the Si. Get this car.
@@MWCRUSADER0508 Less attractive,less slower,less reliable. What rock you been living under?The civic looks like an alien ship,definitely not faster than the forte which there are multiple videos to prove you wrong and am pretty sure that all these older fortes on the road screams unreliable right,plus I see these on every light.Again honda has nothing on Kia!🤷🏽♂️
@@MWCRUSADER0508 I toy with people all the time who are driving the SI. My Forte is faster, prettier. Of course if the pretend drivers behind the wheel of the SI could actually drive, they might not disappear quite as fast in my rear view mirror. Get this car.
@@jumpermh well, when you have a DCT versus a Manual with a dud behind the driver, then I don’t see why the Forte wouldn’t win 😂! It’s alright, I’ll by a $600 tune for my Civic Sport 10th gen and wipe the floor of any Kia, Hyundai, GTI, etc.
I'm really wondering why Kia did so little press advertisement when this came out in Vegas last year. No one's heard of it and yet, it's the best in its segment imo
@@daphenom45 maybe, but these are mostly daylies and for this segment, 3-4k price difference is more important than minor track improvements. I'd still get a GTI CPO instead if i'm looking for something like this but that's another story
@@vladsaghin7644 mechanical LSD is far from minor lol you'd be surprised by how many of these dailies end up at the track and autocross; that said the ventilated seats alone would be enough to make me consider it
@@jalmonte91 yeah but the GLI is almost full second faster to second 60, mechanical LSD, MGB chasis, far superior dual clutch, I mean it literally put down the same lap time at VIR as a golf R by C&D; that car is a bargain for what it is. The GT is the car most people would love, but for the few pure enthusiast that are left I'll say GLI without a second thought. I mean I didn't start on APR tuning and aftermarket, that 2.0 is insane with just a tune
I drove this GT (none GT2 package) and an Optima SE and I have to say I enjoyed the Optima SE a lot better. Better looking, a lot more room and features, and felt less high school racer. For about the same price due to current events... the Optima is the car to buy right now!
@@jseels The Optima is definitely not the car to buy right now. Kia is about to launch the all new Optima with more aggressive design and new engine options.
As a car guy I tend to get a new vehicle every year because I get bored of what I have. Last year I bought a 2014 Optima SX and still love it. Fast, stylish, and economical. The 2021 optima looks fantastic and will likely be my next ride. Congrats to kia for what they've done in the last decade
I have the same car. I removed the summer tires the day I bought it. I’m surprised Kia would put those tires on in colder climates. I easily get 35mpg on the highway, but when I want to lay down the pedal, the car scoots.
Have the same car it’s pretty fun when you want to step on it especially from a dig. Has a ton of features and looks great! I get a good amount of looks & questions on my GT.
I just came across this video and enjoyed it. I actually just got this same car only in Snow White Pearl on Sunday and I absolutely love it so far. I traded in my Fiat Abarth which I loved since 2015 but it was awesome getting a car similar in things I had but I added a lot more space which is something I was needing now.
Just bought that car ( same color and package) last week. It was a 2020 with 3K on the odometer and it ran me 21500 OTD. It IS a fun car with decent backseat room. I like that the imitation leather seats keep you from moving. They are soft almost like cloth seats. Throw in the heat and ventilation in front and they are pretty comfy. It is a shame that most folks will bypass this model. Is it a GTI or SI killer? Probably not using competent drivers in both but it competes very well against them especially when you add the tech features and the price.
Just so everyone knows, the Kia Forte GT (even with the GT2 trim) does NOT come with dual zone climate control. It appears that Kia manufactured some vehicles specifically for reviews to use that had this feature equipped, but the production cars do not include it. I have a GT2 trim and do not have dual zone climate control. I’m currently waiting for a call back from Kia’s customer service to email or call me back regarding this but so far, I’m just being told that they’re “looking into the matter”. I get the feeling that Kia pulled some shady business with these cars. The dual zone climate control is the only missing feature that I have found so far.
Update: Kia's customer service keeps giving me the run around basically stating that their online builder is incorrect and that it states somewhere else that the Dual Zone Climate control is not a feature. I told them that that's all fine and dandy; but the fact remains that there WERE cars build WITH the feature. The website can be inaccurate all it wants but it doesn't change that fact that Kia built press vehicles with different specs than what actually come on the consumer vehicles.
I own 2020 GT, Kia Canada offers only GT trim (not like GT1 or 2)! It comes with dual zone climate control and bunch of other features (i.e. navigation, UVO)! However it does not come with memory and cooling seat options! GT drives like a champ! Can fight against Civic SI neck to neck in a drag race! BTW GT is a game changer with in this price range for sure! Stay safe.
MD MANIK HOSSAIN that’s interesting to know! I feel like I would rather have the heated and cooled seats rather than the dual zone climate control. Sucks that they don’t offer it there! Does your UVO app offer remote start? It doesn’t here in the US.
rocktheworld010 mate, UVO does offer remote start plus all option lies in that app for 5 years! Definitely its cool yae? I couldn’t agree more, cooled seat would be a great option to have in most of the parts in USA. Here in Saskatchewan, Canada its not a deal beaker because of the long winter! Did you buy GT? Thanks
Re the sticky seats. Believe me, they'll 'dry out' (from Aussie). Also, adaptive cruise control DOES stop the car, albeit, rather startlingly. ps. also try the Elantra (i30) GT [hatch, sedan or coupe] (at whatever is your local highest level) as they are almost 'brothers in arms'.
Hey buddies! Get the Forte GT (in Canada, there is no such GT 1 or 2 trim) and thank me later (if in general badge is not a prob for you). GT is the higher trim of Forte Model with more functional and user friendly features (i.e. safety plus, suspension, driving feel) compared with its’ counterpart Hyundae Elantra Sport in Canada! Tho both cars got the same HP, Forte GT is lill bit expensive I reckon. I own a 2020 4 Doors Forte GT with automatic DCT and I believe only Civic SI (comes with manual T ‘more engaging’, I do love SI~3K more than Forte GT; HP 205 but in practical Forte GT can reach 0-60 mph shoulder to shoulder) would able to compete against Forte GT within the economic, fuel efficient sporty or grand touring, sleeper and/or small sedan classes of car (~30K CAD). If you are a guy who want a lill faster car than regular point A to B drive sedans, I suggest you then compare the following cars with Forte GT in-terms of HP, pricing, interest rate (if needed), features, int and ext design, any trade-in equity (especially if there is any negative owe amount, I found Kia’s customer service is top notch in SK) and warranties before you buy one (reliability and resale value of Corolla and Civic are higher than Forte or Hyundae Elantra- I personally believe; I had both Honda and Toyota Cars in past, but Kia and Hyundae are not so far from there, and they are changing the game these days and will continue doing this): Forte GT vs Civic SI vs Civic Touring vs Civic Sport Forte GT vs Corolla XSE Forte GT vs Mazda 3 Sport Forte GT vs Hyundae Sport Forte GT vs others And pick the one that suits you! For me it was 2020 Forte GT! BTW best of luck on your future car.
@@K.Lynchka I would recommend you to go for GT! Its been almost 9 months I am driving this car, 19K km on it, no issues! I am happy that Forte came up with this marvellous GT trim, its fun to drive and worth buying! Wish you all the best!
Yes, as the Forte is built off the Elantra platform it is indeed FWD. However, it would be awesome to see Hyundai/Kia make both in AWD one day. I'd definitely get one!
gotta say, looks amazing for the price. I'll be holding off for a couple years at least to see how the turbo lasts but I like Kia's warranty. If they don't drop the manual it'll be a definite option whenever I need a new car.
My daughter just bought the GT, paid 25k. It's a cute car, lots of safety features. However, I thought it drove rough, you feel every bump in the road. Acceleration wasn't impressive You also hear a good deal of road noise. It did seem to handle curvy, country roads ok.
Christian you really did an excellent review here on this little beast! I trust your assessments and you seemed genuinely impressed with this Forte! Thank you
Nice car, except for the very odd tail light treatment on the bumper. Needs a hatch variant! .what is “simulated” leather? It is either leather or not? If not then it is plastic or a variety of plastic.
Simulated leather is simulated leather. It's a vinyl with leather texture. It resists wear longer, is better for cooled seat applications, and is vegan of course. That way everyone is satisfied.
I’ve heard other reviewers say the steering is better than the Mazda 3 for several thousand less than a similarly optioned Mazda. What brand offers that much for that money?
Manual does hang every so often. So what, it will settle back down. Been on the dyno 191whp on 91, 203whp with E20, stock tune. You can't really feel that. But I've installed a JB4 recently and Burger borrowed my car to fine tune the firmware. It's great now, more adjustments and better drivability.
Another excellent review by Chris Wardlaw. He KNOWS cars, and he is an enthusiast... when he is excited about a car I LISTEN. He also knows value, he knows the brands, and he loves a good road, so listen to him kids and become wiser!
Because nobody buys manual vehicles. The people who do buy them buy them because they're 'cheaper' (despite being slower, and more fuel-thirsty). Ergo, a "premium" manual vehicle makes no sense which is why they're almost extinct.
@@onmywayto974 😂 at this point ur just speculating.. Honda's Earth dreams aka GDi breaks just like the rest of them with less warranty which means u pay.. just as Toyota die hard will never give up on Toyota even if it burns a quart a week 😅 they all break
Kia's 1.6 Turbo tried and true Honda's 1.5 turbo fuel dilution and long-term reliability yet to prove it self.. 5% fuel dilution is a point no engine should pass 10% is just detrimental
Such a nice review and such an awesome car... I totally love the way you compared different trims. I have one question, Kia Forte doesn't have a Smart Cruise Control as standard even in the GT Version (you need to add a package for about $2K, which totals roughly $25K). My question is if there even standard cruise control (if not smart) for any of the trims?
I believe so but the FE, but the others yes. The manual trans GT which is what I have has regular crurise control. I have used smart cruise in other cars. I live in Los Angeles it intrudes too much to really use. If you drive out on the open interstate more often it will be more useful.
I bought a GT2 3 weeks ago, almost fully loaded MSRP of $26,450 and OTD@ $24,350. The thing is that dealers dont have too many of the GT's... My local dealer had NONE. had to travel 20 miles, and that dealer only had 3... You might need to build your own or expand your search. Its a great car. Its faster than what it is advertised. Idk why Kia really doesnt advertise it more...
I own this car it’s fun gets a lot of looks but for me the cabin is to noisy I ordered a lot of sound deadening other than that it’s fun I only have 100 miles on it so far
Noisy? It's a compact car it's not suppose to be luxury car quiet. It's quite enough for me and I'm 50, added a SAS Bazooka tube and JB4 Tuner. Few more changes it and should run 12's in the 1/4 mile. Lots of potential in this car.
Excellent review, I'd say. I own a VW GTI and a KIA Sorento, each an excellent vehicle. So if I were in the market for an affordable compact sport sedan I'd be comparing the Forte GT and the GLI. Comparing top trims of each (similarly equipped) the MSRP's differ by about $3000 with the advantage going to the KIA. Whether that difference actually plays out in the real world is always uncertain and never more so than these days but I suspect the Forte would retain a significant advantage. I have a lot of experience with VW's EA888 engine in the GTI, the same engine tuned identically in the GLI. All reports are that the 1.6L turbo from Hyundai in the KIA is an excellent power plant but I know the GTI's engine. Greater displacement, excellent durability, and superb performance. Furthermore, the remarkable "tune-ability" of the VW engine gives the option of an even greater advantage to the GLI. A Stage I ECU tune of the EA888 engine adds tremendous HP and torque to the VW for about $800 without sacrificing durability (in the DSG version) and (if you can control your right foot) with relatively little impact on fuel economy. (BTW, that ECU tune does NOT invalidate the VW's warranty but that's another discussion.) While I've driven MT vehicles for many years I'd be looking at a dual clutch transmission in each case. I'm happy to hear Chris' view that the dual clutch in the KIA is a significant upgrade over other KIA/Hyundai versions but my experience with my GTI's DSG suggests it's at or near the top of such transmissions. So I'd give the GLI the edge in that department. As far as handling is concerned the specs indicate other advantages for the GLI. As a daily driver or even for "sporty" driving on back roads, though, I suspect the Mr. Biermann and his colleagues have tuned the Forte to come close to matching the GLI. It's on a track that differences are more likely to emerge. So if you're not looking for a track toy the GLI's handling advantages may not be important. In terms of conveniences the KIA probably wins the prize. The Forte has the same infotainment system as my Sorento and the GLI has the same as my GTI. (Minus embedded navigation in each.) The GTI's system is perfectly adequate but the KIA/Hyundai system is significantly better. Difficult to say which vehicle has higher quality materials, overall design, and a better ambiance in their top trims. My guess is that the GLI wins but it may well be a matter of taste. In the end it comes down to whether the price premium of the GLI reflected in the relative MSRP's is worth it. For me, it would be but a $3K (or more) difference in real world prices might well be a deal breaker for many consumers. If that's the case, the Forte is a very appealing option.
At this price people just want abit more style and pep than ur plane Corolla.. if ur comparing a GLi then Hyundai N would be a better comparison at that price plus Hyundai superior warranty
@@scraps0233 This is a frequently misunderstood issue. A manufacturer or a dealer cannot invalidate a warranty for an issue unrelated to an engine modification. Thus, a failure of a vehicle's electrical system, infotainment system, fuel delivery, or any other system that is not directly affected by engine tuning will be covered by a vehicle's warranty. There are gray areas, of course. Substantial power upgrades, for example, can impact clutch life in a manual transmission vehicle. When I had my MK6 GTI upgraded with a Stage I APR tune, the tuner asked if I had a DSG or MT. When I replied it was a DSG, he said, "Good. We won't have to have a conversation about upgrading your clutch." I went on to put 40K miles on my ECU tuned GTI without a single problem. There are limits to tuning upgrades, of course. If I replaced a GTI's turbocharger with a much higher pressure turbo or a supercharger and took it to the track to see what I could do with it, I wouldn't expect its engine to be covered by the VW warranty. None of that applies to a Stage I tune, however. And frankly, other than its novelty, I don't understand the desire to put 400 HP in a GTI. :) Of course, just because a dealer (or a manufacturer) is prohibited from refusing a warranty claim doesn't mean they won't try to do so. And while taking either a dealer or a manufacturer to court to enforce a warranty claim may be successful, few consumers want to go that route. In the case of the GTI (and other VW's and associated brands) there are a couple of alternatives. One strategy is to purchase your car from a "tuner friendly" dealer or to patronize such a dealer for service. My VW dealer offers APR tuning and I've never heard of any customers who were denied a valid warranty claim by that dealer. (I belong to a very active and large local online owner's group and I'd hear about any such event, I'm sure.) If that option isn't available APR (the only tuning firm I'm familiar with) offers a "backstop" warranty that mimics every feature of a VW warranty in the form of its Stage I+ product. Issues are warranted for any VW dealer or any other reputable repair shop. The additional cost over the Stage I tune is a few hundred dollars. IMO, a Stage I tune of the GTI (or the GLI) is an excellent investment. The performance improvements are VERY significant. And for a DSG transmission, APR offers a separate tune for the transmission that enables customization of shift points among other features. The only downsides I've ever experienced is a slight loss in fuel economy (About 2-3 mpgs) and the reduction in tire life. Adding substantial power to any FWD vehicle means fewer MPG's and more tire wear. But the extent of those penalties depends completely on the discipline applied to a driver's right foot. The EA888 engine in the GTI, the GLI, and the Tiguan is a remarkable power plant and underspec'ed even in stock form. A stage I tune brings those vehicles to nearly the power offered by the Golf R (without, of course, the advantages of AWD.)
@@HOTPLATEGAMING Wrong. I owned a GTI and recently purchased a GT. It is the best car I've ever owned because it has something the other didn't, balance overall.
Great car and a great value proposition at this price point will look into the feasibility of acquiring this depreciating asset in the near future cheers
It is in Canada, Europe and in Pacific Asia. Blame Americans love/hate relationship with hatchbacks yet they drive sporty CUV's and SUV's which are hatchbacks.
After 35 yrs - Tercel - Camry - Corolla - Corolla just bought a 2014 Elantra GT. $2-$3K below Corolla. Kia and Hyundai sold crap until 2013. Still depreciate rapidly. If not keeping tour Kia or Hyundai for 5-6+ yrs stay away. Amazing used values.
I had a 2001 Elantra and a 2009 Sonata that were definitely not crap! Both cars were bullet proof reliable and came with a ton of features missing from the equivalent Toyotas.
Love it Chris. Glad to hear that they've smoothed out the DCT transmission. That's a huge improvement. They also seem to have improved the mpg & engine note & even added a bit of performance .. which may, in part, be reflect the new car's reduced weight. However, I really prefer hatchbacks and am very disappointed that we seem not to be getting the new Forte5 hatchback, with its much more practical layout and 26 cu ft trunk .. as much cargo capacity as the new Seltos - with more powerful tune of Kia's 1.6 liter turbo engin and better driving dynamics. Apparently, Canada gets the hatch, but not the US .. what the heck?? Hot hatches sell much better than tuned sedans. Come on Kia .. give US the Forte5 hatch. ruclips.net/video/nzrWIOgTKbA/видео.html Kia seems to have nailed everything else .. including price/ value - and my guess is that you can currently get great deals right now w) no one buying cars, but I .. and other poteu US customers want a hot hatch .. listen to your customers.
How much you pay per month is based in many factors: - Your APR, based on your credit score. - Finance length term, 60 mo vs 75 mo, ect - Down payment - negative equity? - Price OTD with your states/ dealers taxes and filling fees.. My ‘21 GT2 had msrp of $26.3k usd, OTD for $24.5. (Price of car)...I pay $384/ mo.
For starters, stop looking at "per month" as a method for measuring the price of things. Look at the total price. If what this car offers is what you are looking for, it is affordable relative to what you might pay elsewhere. If you don't need the high performance engine, and you get the base trim level, it's pretty close to as cheap as a new sedan is going to get
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After a 4.5 month wait for a Civic Si, they sat me in the car and changed the deal, and after arguing with them to come down, still a 16% increase. I walked away and ended up in a Forte GT. And honestly I love it and got the manual transmission. It's everything the Si is and more... and cheaper. If you are a driver and can't afford some of the more expensive driver cars, this is a great car. A lot of fun and drivable as a daily car. I disagree with the assessment of the Harmon Kardon. For this price point it is an amazing sound system. Far better than the system in the Si. Get this car.
Slower, less reliable, less attractive...definitely wouldn't give it a leg up.
@@MWCRUSADER0508 Less attractive,less slower,less reliable. What rock you been living under?The civic looks like an alien ship,definitely not faster than the forte which there are multiple videos to prove you wrong and am pretty sure that all these older fortes on the road screams unreliable right,plus I see these on every light.Again honda has nothing on Kia!🤷🏽♂️
@@MWCRUSADER0508 I toy with people all the time who are driving the SI. My Forte is faster, prettier. Of course if the pretend drivers behind the wheel of the SI could actually drive, they might not disappear quite as fast in my rear view mirror. Get this car.
@@jumpermh well, when you have a DCT versus a Manual with a dud behind the driver, then I don’t see why the Forte wouldn’t win 😂! It’s alright, I’ll by a $600 tune for my Civic Sport 10th gen and wipe the floor of any Kia, Hyundai, GTI, etc.
@@MWCRUSADER0508 nice try but wrong. I don’t have a DCT. And what happens when I buy a tune for my KIA?
I'm really wondering why Kia did so little press advertisement when this came out in Vegas last year. No one's heard of it and yet, it's the best in its segment imo
most feature packed without a doubt, but the GLI and SI will wax this car around any track
@@daphenom45 maybe, but these are mostly daylies and for this segment, 3-4k price difference is more important than minor track improvements. I'd still get a GTI CPO instead if i'm looking for something like this but that's another story
@@vladsaghin7644 mechanical LSD is far from minor lol you'd be surprised by how many of these dailies end up at the track and autocross; that said the ventilated seats alone would be enough to make me consider it
daphenom45 where the GLI starting price starts this Kia GT is FULLY LOADED
@@jalmonte91 yeah but the GLI is almost full second faster to second 60, mechanical LSD, MGB chasis, far superior dual clutch, I mean it literally put down the same lap time at VIR as a golf R by C&D; that car is a bargain for what it is. The GT is the car most people would love, but for the few pure enthusiast that are left I'll say GLI without a second thought. I mean I didn't start on APR tuning and aftermarket, that 2.0 is insane with just a tune
Bought a '21 GT Manual. Absolutely no regrets, it's exactly what I wanted.
I drove this car. It feels a lot faster than it is on paper.
I drove this GT (none GT2 package) and an Optima SE and I have to say I enjoyed the Optima SE a lot better. Better looking, a lot more room and features, and felt less high school racer. For about the same price due to current events... the Optima is the car to buy right now!
@@jseels The Optima is definitely not the car to buy right now. Kia is about to launch the all new Optima with more aggressive design and new engine options.
Yeah it's really nice to drive actually. I loved the exhaust too
As a car guy I tend to get a new vehicle every year because I get bored of what I have. Last year I bought a 2014 Optima SX and still love it. Fast, stylish, and economical.
The 2021 optima looks fantastic and will likely be my next ride. Congrats to kia for what they've done in the last decade
@Richard Favreau The Forte has been the best driving car in this class for years. You will be missing something, Richard.
I have the same car. I removed the summer tires the day I bought it. I’m surprised Kia would put those tires on in colder climates. I easily get 35mpg on the highway, but when I want to lay down the pedal, the car scoots.
I think I'm getting one what tires do you recommend for colder climates? Also with beat up roads with some pottholes.
Have the same car it’s pretty fun when you want to step on it especially from a dig. Has a ton of features and looks great! I get a good amount of looks & questions on my GT.
I just came across this video and enjoyed it. I actually just got this same car only in Snow White Pearl on Sunday and I absolutely love it so far. I traded in my Fiat Abarth which I loved since 2015 but it was awesome getting a car similar in things I had but I added a lot more space which is something I was needing now.
Just bought that car ( same color and package) last week. It was a 2020 with 3K on the odometer and it ran me 21500 OTD. It IS a fun car with decent backseat room. I like that the imitation leather seats keep you from moving. They are soft almost like cloth seats. Throw in the heat and ventilation in front and they are pretty comfy. It is a shame that most folks will bypass this model. Is it a GTI or SI killer? Probably not using competent drivers in both but it competes very well against them especially when you add the tech features and the price.
We need the hatchback in the USA.
Canada has it.
Just so everyone knows, the Kia Forte GT (even with the GT2 trim) does NOT come with dual zone climate control. It appears that Kia manufactured some vehicles specifically for reviews to use that had this feature equipped, but the production cars do not include it. I have a GT2 trim and do not have dual zone climate control. I’m currently waiting for a call back from Kia’s customer service to email or call me back regarding this but so far, I’m just being told that they’re “looking into the matter”. I get the feeling that Kia pulled some shady business with these cars. The dual zone climate control is the only missing feature that I have found so far.
same
Update: Kia's customer service keeps giving me the run around basically stating that their online builder is incorrect and that it states somewhere else that the Dual Zone Climate control is not a feature. I told them that that's all fine and dandy; but the fact remains that there WERE cars build WITH the feature. The website can be inaccurate all it wants but it doesn't change that fact that Kia built press vehicles with different specs than what actually come on the consumer vehicles.
I own 2020 GT, Kia Canada offers only GT trim (not like GT1 or 2)! It comes with dual zone climate control and bunch of other features (i.e. navigation, UVO)! However it does not come with memory and cooling seat options! GT drives like a champ! Can fight against Civic SI neck to neck in a drag race! BTW GT is a game changer with in this price range for sure! Stay safe.
MD MANIK HOSSAIN that’s interesting to know! I feel like I would rather have the heated and cooled seats rather than the dual zone climate control. Sucks that they don’t offer it there! Does your UVO app offer remote start? It doesn’t here in the US.
rocktheworld010 mate, UVO does offer remote start plus all option lies in that app for 5 years! Definitely its cool yae? I couldn’t agree more, cooled seat would be a great option to have in most of the parts in USA. Here in Saskatchewan, Canada its not a deal beaker because of the long winter! Did you buy GT? Thanks
Test drove the car with my friend for fun. I loved it. The exhaust is awesome and the car is amazing for the price
Re the sticky seats. Believe me, they'll 'dry out' (from Aussie). Also, adaptive cruise control DOES stop the car, albeit, rather startlingly. ps. also try the Elantra (i30) GT [hatch, sedan or coupe] (at whatever is your local highest level) as they are almost 'brothers in arms'.
Hey buddies! Get the Forte GT (in Canada, there is no such GT 1 or 2 trim) and thank me later (if in general badge is not a prob for you). GT is the higher trim of Forte Model with more functional and user friendly features (i.e. safety plus, suspension, driving feel) compared with its’ counterpart Hyundae Elantra Sport in Canada! Tho both cars got the same HP, Forte GT is lill bit expensive I reckon. I own a 2020 4 Doors Forte GT with automatic DCT and I believe only Civic SI (comes with manual T ‘more engaging’, I do love SI~3K more than Forte GT; HP 205 but in practical Forte GT can reach 0-60 mph shoulder to shoulder) would able to compete against Forte GT within the economic, fuel efficient sporty or grand touring, sleeper and/or small sedan classes of car (~30K CAD). If you are a guy who want a lill faster car than regular point A to B drive sedans, I suggest you then compare the following cars with Forte GT in-terms of HP, pricing, interest rate (if needed), features, int and ext design, any trade-in equity (especially if there is any negative owe amount, I found Kia’s customer service is top notch in SK) and warranties before you buy one (reliability and resale value of Corolla and Civic are higher than Forte or Hyundae Elantra- I personally believe; I had both Honda and Toyota Cars in past, but Kia and Hyundae are not so far from there, and they are changing the game these days and will continue doing this):
Forte GT vs Civic SI vs Civic Touring vs Civic Sport
Forte GT vs Corolla XSE
Forte GT vs Mazda 3 Sport
Forte GT vs Hyundae Sport
Forte GT vs others
And pick the one that suits you! For me it was 2020 Forte GT!
BTW best of luck on your future car.
@@K.Lynchka I would recommend you to go for GT! Its been almost 9 months I am driving this car, 19K km on it, no issues! I am happy that Forte came up with this marvellous GT trim, its fun to drive and worth buying! Wish you all the best!
Did I miss where you spoke about the drive wheels? I am assuming it's a FWD, as you didn't mention if there was an AWD version now, or in the future.
Yes, as the Forte is built off the Elantra platform it is indeed FWD. However, it would be awesome to see Hyundai/Kia make both in AWD one day. I'd definitely get one!
Lemme summarize my ownership very concisely:
GT Manual, 2021; Owned for six months, already has 7k miles. I think that says plenty.
gotta say, looks amazing for the price. I'll be holding off for a couple years at least to see how the turbo lasts but I like Kia's warranty. If they don't drop the manual it'll be a definite option whenever I need a new car.
My daughter just bought the GT, paid 25k. It's a cute car, lots of safety features. However, I thought it drove rough, you feel every bump in the road. Acceleration wasn't impressive You also hear a good deal of road noise.
It did seem to handle curvy, country roads ok.
Christian you really did an excellent review here on this little beast! I trust your assessments and you seemed genuinely impressed with this Forte! Thank you
So the adaptive cruise control does make the GT to a full stop in stop/go traffic? It is not “Smart Cruise Control with Stop/Go”???
It's a darn sight better looking car than the current Elantra! Great review.
Can we hear the exhaust?
Nice car, except for the very odd tail light treatment on the bumper. Needs a hatch variant! .what is “simulated” leather? It is either leather or not? If not then it is plastic or a variety of plastic.
S G Real Leather
Only canada gets a hatch version I believe
Simulated leather is simulated leather. It's a vinyl with leather texture. It resists wear longer, is better for cooled seat applications, and is vegan of course. That way everyone is satisfied.
That car is well loved. I always wanted a Maita but life happen 😵. The new one 👀 great too.
I’ve heard other reviewers say the steering is better than the Mazda 3 for several thousand less than a similarly optioned Mazda. What brand offers that much for that money?
Nice setting for a very well shot vid...North of SF??
Looks like the PCH north of Malibu. Deer Creek Road has an amazing view.
My second Forte and with this one KIA nailed it.
Recently drove a rental. Pleasantly surprised.
Nice alternative to the Civic Si! No rev hang!
Oh cool! Is this from personal experience or is there a video? I've been looking around to see hard pulls in one, but I've not had any luck...
@@splatbubble Ive test driven the Si, the revs stay up after each shift...kind if annoying.
Manual does hang every so often. So what, it will settle back down. Been on the dyno 191whp on 91, 203whp with E20, stock tune. You can't really feel that. But I've installed a JB4 recently and Burger borrowed my car to fine tune the firmware. It's great now, more adjustments and better drivability.
@@dj4monie No one hears you
Another excellent review by Chris Wardlaw. He KNOWS cars, and he is an enthusiast... when he is excited about a car I LISTEN. He also knows value, he knows the brands, and he loves a good road, so listen to him kids and become wiser!
Great review
Why do they not make the top spec one with a manual transmission
Because nobody buys manual vehicles.
The people who do buy them buy them because they're 'cheaper' (despite being slower, and more fuel-thirsty).
Ergo, a "premium" manual vehicle makes no sense which is why they're almost extinct.
Great review. But do I get this or the Civic Si?
get the Civis Si if u want rev hang and no cooled seats and gas into the oil issues...
Cav Shepherd this
Depends how long you plan to keep your car. Honda will keep you on the road for a while.
@@onmywayto974 😂 at this point ur just speculating.. Honda's Earth dreams aka GDi breaks just like the rest of them with less warranty which means u pay.. just as Toyota die hard will never give up on Toyota even if it burns a quart a week 😅 they all break
Kia's 1.6 Turbo tried and true Honda's 1.5 turbo fuel dilution and long-term reliability yet to prove it self.. 5% fuel dilution is a point no engine should pass 10% is just detrimental
Just ordered the cerato gt saloon in sunset orange (as shown here).
Gods thats a gorgeous colour.
I like the orange color too. Its tough finding a gt version in that color. Did you order it from factory?
Such a nice review and such an awesome car... I totally love the way you compared different trims. I have one question, Kia Forte doesn't have a Smart Cruise Control as standard even in the GT Version (you need to add a package for about $2K, which totals roughly $25K). My question is if there even standard cruise control (if not smart) for any of the trims?
I believe so but the FE, but the others yes. The manual trans GT which is what I have has regular crurise control. I have used smart cruise in other cars. I live in Los Angeles it intrudes too much to really use. If you drive out on the open interstate more often it will be more useful.
KIA makes good cars with good price and value and they last like that Spectra
Between the Forte GT and the Mazda 3, its a tough choice. Mazda 3 looks nicer, but the Forte GT looks like it picks up a lot better.
this is such a hard choice.... i havnt made up my mind have you ?
Could someone tell me if a model of Forte comes in awd for use in area of which I live that has 5 month snow season?
Unfortunately, there is no AWD option in the Forte.
Very good review thanks
I want this or the forte 5 gt
Yeaaaa but I can’t find the gt model on the web page I want one!
I bought a GT2 3 weeks ago, almost fully loaded MSRP of $26,450 and OTD@ $24,350.
The thing is that dealers dont have too many of the GT's...
My local dealer had NONE. had to travel 20 miles, and that dealer only had 3...
You might need to build your own or expand your search.
Its a great car. Its faster than what it is advertised.
Idk why Kia really doesnt advertise it more...
@@M4B21S88 I got one 🙂 I love it
Excellent car n report 👍🏻
Does it have an AUX input?
Yes, why would you use that? It supports Apple Car Play and Android Auto.
Looks good, but there’s not so good looking issues with that 7 speed, plus at 22 k wouldn’t be bad, at. 26k , forget about it....
You can buy it for less. You must learn now to negotiate. I got a GT Manual optional Currant Red paint for $21.3K
@@dj4monie true I got mine for 18.600 automatic gt 1
What issues
Nice presentation!
I own this car it’s fun gets a lot of looks but for me the cabin is to noisy I ordered a lot of sound deadening other than that it’s fun I only have 100 miles on it so far
Noisy? It's a compact car it's not suppose to be luxury car quiet. It's quite enough for me and I'm 50, added a SAS Bazooka tube and JB4 Tuner. Few more changes it and should run 12's in the 1/4 mile. Lots of potential in this car.
@@dj4monie that guy probably drove a Mercedes s class before lol
How quiet is the cabin?
Excellent review, I'd say. I own a VW GTI and a KIA Sorento, each an excellent vehicle. So if I were in the market for an affordable compact sport sedan I'd be comparing the Forte GT and the GLI. Comparing top trims of each (similarly equipped) the MSRP's differ by about $3000 with the advantage going to the KIA. Whether that difference actually plays out in the real world is always uncertain and never more so than these days but I suspect the Forte would retain a significant advantage.
I have a lot of experience with VW's EA888 engine in the GTI, the same engine tuned identically in the GLI. All reports are that the 1.6L turbo from Hyundai in the KIA is an excellent power plant but I know the GTI's engine. Greater displacement, excellent durability, and superb performance. Furthermore, the remarkable "tune-ability" of the VW engine gives the option of an even greater advantage to the GLI. A Stage I ECU tune of the EA888 engine adds tremendous HP and torque to the VW for about $800 without sacrificing durability (in the DSG version) and (if you can control your right foot) with relatively little impact on fuel economy. (BTW, that ECU tune does NOT invalidate the VW's warranty but that's another discussion.)
While I've driven MT vehicles for many years I'd be looking at a dual clutch transmission in each case. I'm happy to hear Chris' view that the dual clutch in the KIA is a significant upgrade over other KIA/Hyundai versions but my experience with my GTI's DSG suggests it's at or near the top of such transmissions. So I'd give the GLI the edge in that department.
As far as handling is concerned the specs indicate other advantages for the GLI. As a daily driver or even for "sporty" driving on back roads, though, I suspect the Mr. Biermann and his colleagues have tuned the Forte to come close to matching the GLI. It's on a track that differences are more likely to emerge. So if you're not looking for a track toy the GLI's handling advantages may not be important.
In terms of conveniences the KIA probably wins the prize. The Forte has the same infotainment system as my Sorento and the GLI has the same as my GTI. (Minus embedded navigation in each.) The GTI's system is perfectly adequate but the KIA/Hyundai system is significantly better. Difficult to say which vehicle has higher quality materials, overall design, and a better ambiance in their top trims. My guess is that the GLI wins but it may well be a matter of taste.
In the end it comes down to whether the price premium of the GLI reflected in the relative MSRP's is worth it. For me, it would be but a $3K (or more) difference in real world prices might well be a deal breaker for many consumers. If that's the case, the Forte is a very appealing option.
At this price people just want abit more style and pep than ur plane Corolla.. if ur comparing a GLi then
Hyundai N would be a better comparison at that price plus Hyundai superior warranty
@@joebrown9621 Hyundai and KIA vehicles have virtually the same warranties.
Stephen Hendricks The gti with a stage one tune is amazing on how much power it makes with the dsg. I just worry about it voiding your warranty?
@@scraps0233 This is a frequently misunderstood issue. A manufacturer or a dealer cannot invalidate a warranty for an issue unrelated to an engine modification. Thus, a failure of a vehicle's electrical system, infotainment system, fuel delivery, or any other system that is not directly affected by engine tuning will be covered by a vehicle's warranty.
There are gray areas, of course. Substantial power upgrades, for example, can impact clutch life in a manual transmission vehicle. When I had my MK6 GTI upgraded with a Stage I APR tune, the tuner asked if I had a DSG or MT. When I replied it was a DSG, he said, "Good. We won't have to have a conversation about upgrading your clutch." I went on to put 40K miles on my ECU tuned GTI without a single problem. There are limits to tuning upgrades, of course. If I replaced a GTI's turbocharger with a much higher pressure turbo or a supercharger and took it to the track to see what I could do with it, I wouldn't expect its engine to be covered by the VW warranty. None of that applies to a Stage I tune, however. And frankly, other than its novelty, I don't understand the desire to put 400 HP in a GTI. :)
Of course, just because a dealer (or a manufacturer) is prohibited from refusing a warranty claim doesn't mean they won't try to do so. And while taking either a dealer or a manufacturer to court to enforce a warranty claim may be successful, few consumers want to go that route. In the case of the GTI (and other VW's and associated brands) there are a couple of alternatives. One strategy is to purchase your car from a "tuner friendly" dealer or to patronize such a dealer for service. My VW dealer offers APR tuning and I've never heard of any customers who were denied a valid warranty claim by that dealer. (I belong to a very active and large local online owner's group and I'd hear about any such event, I'm sure.)
If that option isn't available APR (the only tuning firm I'm familiar with) offers a "backstop" warranty that mimics every feature of a VW warranty in the form of its Stage I+ product. Issues are warranted for any VW dealer or any other reputable repair shop. The additional cost over the Stage I tune is a few hundred dollars.
IMO, a Stage I tune of the GTI (or the GLI) is an excellent investment. The performance improvements are VERY significant. And for a DSG transmission, APR offers a separate tune for the transmission that enables customization of shift points among other features. The only downsides I've ever experienced is a slight loss in fuel economy (About 2-3 mpgs) and the reduction in tire life. Adding substantial power to any FWD vehicle means fewer MPG's and more tire wear. But the extent of those penalties depends completely on the discipline applied to a driver's right foot. The EA888 engine in the GTI, the GLI, and the Tiguan is a remarkable power plant and underspec'ed even in stock form. A stage I tune brings those vehicles to nearly the power offered by the Golf R (without, of course, the advantages of AWD.)
Such a beautiful place
Civic SI or forte GT?
Aubrey Crochett Easily GT
Easily Si
This car doesn’t compare to the Si or GOLF GTI
@@HOTPLATEGAMING Wrong. I owned a GTI and recently purchased a GT. It is the best car I've ever owned because it has something the other didn't, balance overall.
Corolla XSE ?
Forte GT all day
Saw a cerato with 400whp this thing fckng capable.
Great car and a great value proposition at this price point will look into the feasibility of acquiring this depreciating asset in the near future cheers
Well said. I wanna test drive one real soon
I have this in Gravity Gray w/GT2 Package and I love it. When naming the different trims, you forgot the GT Line
No he didn't 1:28 he mentions it
The rims could be better. Other than that, I have no issues with how it looks.
The rims are fine, but I am upgrading. Sub to my channel, I have this and a Cobalt SS Supercharged.
Love this car
It's my car.
I have this car and am in love with it.
Christian - you are at max height for this car - how tall are you please... ;-)
wish it was made available as a hatchback.
It is in Canada, Europe and in Pacific Asia. Blame Americans love/hate relationship with hatchbacks yet they drive sporty CUV's and SUV's which are hatchbacks.
the only cheap looking thing is the cheaply chromed out wheels
You mean ALUMINIUM?
@@Crayon3aterGaming yup i think if you paint theme in gloss black it would look more premium
I’m going to buy today lx Premium
This is the Korean "Civic Si"...Honda has lost the magic.
DCT's are not automated-manuals !!!!!!! Get in an old Maserati or an old BMW and you could be smacked by the awfulness of an actual automated-manual.
Smart Cars also used the automatic manual trans
After 35 yrs - Tercel - Camry - Corolla - Corolla just bought a 2014 Elantra GT. $2-$3K below Corolla. Kia and Hyundai sold crap until 2013. Still depreciate rapidly. If not keeping tour Kia or Hyundai for 5-6+ yrs stay away. Amazing used values.
I had a 2001 Elantra and a 2009 Sonata that were definitely not crap! Both cars were bullet proof reliable and came with a ton of features missing from the equivalent Toyotas.
@@davidg2731 u r correct. My nephew's 2009 Sonata is great
Love it Chris. Glad to hear that they've smoothed out the DCT transmission. That's a huge improvement. They also seem to have improved the mpg & engine note & even added a bit of performance .. which may, in part, be reflect the new car's reduced weight. However, I really prefer hatchbacks and am very disappointed that we seem not to be getting the new Forte5 hatchback, with its much more practical layout and 26 cu ft trunk .. as much cargo capacity as the new Seltos - with more powerful tune of Kia's 1.6 liter turbo engin and better driving dynamics.
Apparently, Canada gets the hatch, but not the US .. what the heck?? Hot hatches sell much better than tuned sedans. Come on Kia .. give US the Forte5 hatch. ruclips.net/video/nzrWIOgTKbA/видео.html
Kia seems to have nailed everything else .. including price/ value - and my guess is that you can currently get great deals right now w) no one buying cars, but I .. and other poteu US customers want a hot hatch .. listen to your customers.
BB3 the sedan is far better looking and has a much larger boot than the hatch.
Hatch got raped with the ugly stick at the rear.
$500 per month, yes, very "affordable"
How much you pay per month is based in many factors:
- Your APR, based on your credit score.
- Finance length term, 60 mo vs 75 mo, ect
- Down payment
- negative equity?
- Price OTD with your states/ dealers taxes and filling fees..
My ‘21 GT2 had msrp of $26.3k usd, OTD for $24.5. (Price of car)...I pay $384/ mo.
For starters, stop looking at "per month" as a method for measuring the price of things. Look at the total price. If what this car offers is what you are looking for, it is affordable relative to what you might pay elsewhere. If you don't need the high performance engine, and you get the base trim level, it's pretty close to as cheap as a new sedan is going to get
@@M4B21S88 how much downpayment did you put down?
3000 dollars cheaper than civic. nice
That's is it should have been 5 to 7 k cheaper
Got mine for $21.3K GT Manual
Optima the best.
If you want a larger car. That isn't the point. To get the performance version of the outgoing Optima you have to spend over $30K
You can get the cheapest K5 (old Optima) with the same GT engine with a lot more room and comfort.
@@davidg2731 Sure, 100% true. But the k5 with the 1.6t is slower, way slower.