5 Things You Should Never Do In A Dual Clutch Transmission Vehicle
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- 5 Things You Should Never Do In A Dual Clutch Transmission Car
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Don’t put the transmission in neutral when you come to a stop. There’s no need to do this. You may think the clutch will be partially engaged and wearing out, but the system will be sure to disengage the clutch (while keeping first gear pre-selected).
Don’t take your foot off the brake when you’re on an incline. The clutch may attempt to hold the vehicle. Unlike in an automatic transmission where you have this slip absorbed by the torque converter, this will directly cause wear on the clutch. Depending on the design, the effects can be even greater with a dry clutch, which has no oil around it. Wet clutches tend to be able to take more heat, however dry clutches are more efficient, robs less power (used on sports bikes), it weighs less, and often requires less maintenance (there’s no clutch fluid, it’s all electronically actuated on Hyundais). For Hyundai, owners are asked to inspect the fluid levels every 37,500 miles on the DCT, but there is no set time to replace fluid.
Try not to spend much time inching forward (especially while towing or on steep inclines). Stuck in traffic on a hot day, crawling up an incline at low speeds, or towing. In these scenarios, it’s best to allow yourself enough gap to get up to speed, so the clutch pack can fully engage. At low speeds while partially engaged, the clutch will heat up and can wear faster. It’s never ideal to slip a clutch, but they are designed to take wear and tear. This advice is to simply have the clutch last as long as possible.
Upshifting while braking, downshifting while accelerating. Need to understand the logic behind the system to understand why shift delays might occur. For example, driving on the highway, 4th gear, hit the brakes because someone cuts you off. Upshift and it takes longer than usual. Well because you were on the brakes the transmission might have assumed you were going to downshift next. Coming to a light, if it’s red but turns green, the system may have been attempting to disengage the clutch knowing that you were coming to a stop, so there may be a slight delay in getting power.
Don’t hold the brake and throttle long if launching the car (launching your car in general is a bad idea for longevity, but if you were to do it, know what’s happening internally). This will cause the clutch to wear, all of the heat from the engine is going into the clutch (if it’s engaged, depending on the car). From Hyundai - “The engine speed should rise and the clutch should go to a stand by position. The clutch may try to engage and if it identifies no vehicle movement it should reduce the engine speed and hold that speed until the accelerator pedal is released.”
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If you press the gas and the brakes at the same time your car will take a screenshot.
hahahahaha
I’m dead 😂🤣😂🤣
That's gotta get a LOL
You are right! Hahaha
Nice one..lol.....
Number 6: don't breathe inside the car, the difference in air pressure and moisture causes unnecessary wear on the clutch
Lol😂😂😂😂😂
I just wanted to look up on how to use paddle shifters ; - ;
peanut butter and jelly The right one shifts up in the left one shifts down
I knew I was doing something wrong by breathing - thanks for the helpful info 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
To minimise wear on the clutch "do not start" the engine, has the added benefit of prolonging engine life!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you for these videos. This is a concept called mechanical sympathy. Understanding how a system works in order to prolong lifetime of components. This higher lever of understanding makes you a better operator.
Interesting concept. I definitely do that without having heard that term before !
Nice to have a name to put with the intuitive (to some) concept.
What a lovely concept "mechanical sympathy". I totally get it. Thank you for this comment.
Seriously? That’s not a real term
Who said it first?
according to the thumbnail, you can't upshift
LUQEMON “stay in first the entire time, upshifting will disengage and reengage the clutch and cause ware, ignore the tachometer, it doesn’t matter”
@@krisg822 You shouldn't be able to money shift a dsg or any decently designed dct. The computer won't downshift if it sees that the rpm would be past redline/fuel cutoff point.
@@krisg822 The VW dsg will not downshift if it believes it will cause damage. Try downshifting at 7k rpm, nothing will happen.
Lol that’s why I watched this video, I was like uh oh how bad have I fucked up
One clutch is enough for me. Man can you imagine driving with two clutch pedals? No thank you
I hope that's sarcasm right there
MIKEK3NT I'm glad you picked up on it
+Chad Stuetzel I wait until I can get a car with triple or quadruple clutch, it gives a smoother result and the supporting marketing material gives me more confidence to feel less bad about my penis issues.
Can you imagine the heel/toe for that???
LOOOOL, genius
"Try not to inch forward too much."
RIP city drivers...
Also literally how a manual works like if I “inch up” my foot never comes off the clutch
@@jackpot1864 I'm the guy in 1st chugging along like a Rubicon rock climbing, tends to piss people off but I find it amusing.
With a manual I tend to use the clutch to get me to speed and then disengage it completely, so I can roll and maintain the speed for a while without constant wear.
Its me, i am city drivers
That's why DCTs(Especially DSG) are destroyed quickly in Turkey(mainly Istanbul), Russia(mainly Moscow) and China due to inch to inch traffic. - (btw DSG has extended warranty over these areas.)
Hey Jason this is a fantastic video! I just picked up my first car ever with a DSG and knowing about the ECUs favoring towards gears depending on driving behavior is great to know, otherwise, I could see myself getting frustrated with a delay when wanting to downshift to accelerate.
thank you, I just bought the veloster 2019 with 7 speed dual clutch and those information will be usefull !! good video
I can't tell if this guy is 20 or 40.
Like hell. He's ageless.
Pretty obvious he isn't 40.
Pretty obvious he isn't 20.
Jason Fenske is 29
Charlie maybe he’s in between
age engineering at work
I really like these "don't do in a" series, I've learned quite a bit, please keep doing them!
Or simply buy a manual and do whatever you like without worrying
A Japanese one or even Hyundai rather than the German or American ones, good piece of mind
***** thats your opinion right
in my opinion, Automatics are annoying to drive
its down to personal preference really
but in all honesty, Ive found manuals to be easier to maintain and repair than automatics
***** looks like we two are the only ones here saying imo and not fighting here :D
+Karthik Naik just an FYI I do own a manual for my cars and do most of my own work, doesn't mean I can't learn something from someone else.
James Karl I replied to your comment instead of someone elses
6. If your dual clutch transmission was made by Ford, trade in your vehicle for another brand immediately.
They definitely fucked that one up. Ford has pretty decent vehicles, but that powershit tranny ruined those cars.
For real! I'm still taking a beating on it.
I have 2.0 focus powershift chiped and removed filter about 190plus hp and driven 263000 kilometers. Not a single problem.. Best car i ever had. Regular mantained transmision with best oil and filter. Even my reckles starts didnt affect transmision a little. Maybe you just need luck
david 1 what filter???
@@jridder89 oil filter inside transmision
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1:12 - 2nd
2:45 - 3rd
3:42 - 4th
5:55 - 5th
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This is great, just brought a Tucson months ago and I have been doing all those good practices, only dont know abouy is number 3 but now I know ! Thanks
Good information! Most of these newer vehicles have Hill Start Assist now that leaves the clutch disengaged and holds the brakes for you until you accelerate going forward.
*Noob start assist.
Well it's not noob start since you can't engage the clutch while you stand still pressing brake |(tested on a Renault Edc). That means you will slip down in the time car sees you have depressed the brake and alow clutch to engage. Anyway it's a must have since on a lot of cars you can't putt traction before complete release of the brake.
Except it doesn't work on my car and I randomly roll backwards towards the car behind me. I've already rammed a parked car behind me while shifted into DRIVE!
FordTechMakuloco you're here?! I love your videos too. Thumbs up.
I used to own a Vauxhall/Opal Mokka (2014) which had 'hill start assist'. It worked once or twice.
I now own a Nissan Qashqai (2017), which also has 'hill start assist'. This one actually works on every incline. All the same ones, that the Mokka didn't work.
With VCDS linked to a vehicle with DSG there is pressure being applied to the odd gears clutch when stopped tho.. roughly 30-35psi
Thank you so much for the time you put into these videos. They're honestly very informative. I do have a general understanding as to how cars work. But not a clue when it comes to the engineering and design. I really do appreciate the information. I just purchased a new 2017 Kia Forte 5 SX. And your videos have really showed me how to take care of it and keep it on the road for as long as possible.
how is your car now?
"...engineers who develop these cars smart enough to realise that problem...": doesn't surprise me how a lot of people in comment sections don't realise that, especially in regards to auto start/stop and engine starter motors.
Great example!
Bigger mistakes have been made... often depends on which car company we are talking about!
They do realize it. Thing is, they don't care. The more these things break, the more money goes to the dealers. That's a win for them...
My biggest problem with the start stop is not the starter itself. You need a bigger battery, that will die sooner, and will be more expensive to replace. And it also doesn't help cars with dual mass flywheels. Another expensive thing that will wear out sooner when using start stop.
auto start/stop in non hybrid vehicles is annoying and dangerous and should be eliminated or the vehicle should have the option to have it permanently disabled.
Everyone I know (yeah, I know...not a good sample) hates that "feature" in their car.
Plus, my car tells me at idle with the AC blasting I'm burning .4 gallons per hour. Lets assume that's accurate. Two and a half hours of idling to save one gallon of gas is a lot of damn idling for what seems, even in aggregate, to be a minimal savings.
/rant
Doctor Professor Can't argue with that:) I can only throw engineers a bone in that most recalls seem to be from manufacturing defects (Some of Takata's canisters being cracked and GE's Airbus A380 engine's having an oil pump which was manufactured smaller than the Airbus engineer ordered, causing a fire in a Qantas airline).
Brilliant Jason! After driving manual transmissions all my life, I'm about to buy a DSG. Glad to have seen this! I LOVE your channel. Please keep 'em coming! All the best, Rob
Thanks for this. My Veloster was frustrating me to no end, but now at least I understand why.
It took me several months to learn how to predict the actions of my Hyundai Tucson's DCT. Once you master the art of understanding the quirks, it is an awesome transmission. Great video! I really enjoyed watching it and you really nailed it. I am a senior level experienced Automotive Technician by trade and I found the DCT hard to master. You explain the logic or the DCT so well in this video. I really like your channel.
I'm getting used to my Mazdas dct...at first i thought i had a problem with it...
Took me about 4 months to learn my DCT in my 2018 M140i
@@PARlS23 lol thats not even a dct in a m140i. its a ZF8
Guys i have a question.. my tucson 2019 when engine is started, i must just very gently press the acceleration petal for some meters and then accelerate! If i try to drive immediately, it starts to push like trying to find the speed and to doesnt fully engage to the D1 etc for some seconds. My CLatch disks are brand new. Is it normal?
how is your DTC at 2023 reliable?
Thank you for this video!!! I was one that asked for a DSG video! Much appreciated!
“Wet clutch...” Giggity.
Love it 😂
you forgot "shaft" Giggity. haha
Madam, is your clutch wet?
Very interesting because there were several issues you described that are not the same with a PDK double clutch transmission. First, the RPM will rise to about 3500 RPM and stay there until you release the brake. Next, Porsche says there is no limit to how many times you can do this in a row without over temping the system. It would be interesting if they would talk to you after you drive a 991.1 Porsche to see the difference. The 991.2 is turbo charged so it may be different there.
@ChuckJ1944 😂 That's in launch mode not standard mode. Do you really think a Porsche leaves the green light at 3500 rpm all the time!?
@@andersriksson100 This comment was four years ago so its hard for me to remember the context, but I think I was saying in my 2012 911 if you slammed the gas peddle down it would go to 3500 before the clutch would tighten. That would not happen on normal starts.
Launch a car is still hard on the car. All that this video is saying is thay in a normal dct you shouldnt do x activities without being aware of the wear being done. This is the equivalent of saying you shouldnt slam the breaks everytime you stop, yeah any decent car should be able to do that for a long time, but any normal person would in fact agree that its not best practice
Without a doubt, the best explanation of the DSG system,
Thanks so much. I was annoyed with my 2017 Focus SE Hatch, because it had low speed jerks and lag on shift when a light goes red to green. I thought it was a regular automatic. I got a service ticket back from the dealership that said 6spd powershift. That cleared everything up for me and I learned to not inch here, which I had been doing since there's some traffic where I live. Great vid!
Can someone explain why Hyundai puts a dual clutch in an suv and a slushbox in the gen coupe. Wtf.
JayTac1
Money
Americans will pay more for an SUV
thus more money a manufacturer has to build an SUV
Cars have more of a global market. So competition is pretty stiff. So the profit per car is lower.
That is why Ford makes shity cars and is dropping out of the car manufacturing business. And going mostly SUVs
Hyundai's DCT, being a dry clutch, won't handle as much power as the Genesis Coupe's engines. I hope that their upcoming 8-speed dual clutch is a wet clutch designed for performance, as opposed to these 6- and 7-speed DCT's designed for economy.
JayTac1 facts
I feel dual clutch makes more sense in Europe since you’d be surrounded by manual transmission drivers, who don’t inch along nearly as much as in North America ( watch heavy traffic videos in London). They seem to all collectively move for 40-50 feet at a time than stop with their manuals. Secondly, if you live in Europe or Germany driving a VW DSG for example it would probably cost you half as much to repair relatively speaking. I’m sure dsg repair in U.S, Canada or India for example costs an arm and a leg.
@@skopa1223 Or you could just get a proper stick, dispense with all the complexity, expense, and bother, and have more fun driving in the bargain.
I've discovered that my Renault Megane isn't experiencing wild Turbo Lag. Each one of your descriptions happen on occasion like pulling up to a Give Way sign and then flooring it and getting nothing. The clutch has disengaged expecting a stop, just as at the same moment that you have decided to go, or there's a slight slipping when you're edging forward to enter a roundabout and you are just starting to apply some power. To be honest this is a real relief and I know to modify my driving to better suit the Car.
This actually cleared up a lot of my concerns with my 2016 Hyundai Sonata's transmission performance. The only thing I've noticed is that sometimes it hesitates too much, or when I'm slowing down, it downshifts in a way that isn't very smooth.
Good video! Stuff I already knew, being familiar both with the mechanics and the programming logic, but really glad to see this info getting out there in an easy to digest format. Many people I talk to driving dual clutch cars and not realizing that it IS NOT the same as an automatic. Then they wonder why the clutch pack is shot in 30k miles, and they think it’s a bad car... when no, it’s the automotive equivalent of PEBKAC. ;-)
While I am a manual aficionado, having driven a couple of Porsche PDKs and VW DSGs, I can see the appeal for the more engaged driver who doesn’t necessarily want to (or maybe can’t due to disability) work the third pedal. I find they are vastly superior for an enthusiast driver than a torque converter slushbox or a super-slush CVT. They have the direct engaged feeling of a manual, and I really like that as a driver.
Only dual clutch I’ve ever driven is Volvo’s I-Shift. It’s incredible. It is also one of the very few automated manuals that I actually enjoy.
I absolutely love the PDK box in my 991, but probably for different reasons =) Driving a standard automatic as a daily, the difference in shifting speed always makes me grin.
Jason congrats on this awesome video. I totally agree with everything you say, but the thing is that I have a motorcycle with an automatic DCT transmission and I can feel that when I am stopped at the lights with first gear engaged it is constantly trying to pull forward. It's just a little bit, barely noticeable, but is there. So just in case I always select neutral when at the lights or at any significant stopped time, even with the fact that the manufacturer says not related recommendation at the user manual, just to prevent any long term wear to the clutches, specially to the first gear one.
Awesome. Very informative. Just bought Hyundai venue DCT Turbo charged.
Hey, glad you made a video on this. I need to make sure my GTI is treated with love.
My thoughts exactly
Fun fact: that hyundai has the same wheels as some GTI 😐
@@x_Oeuf Haha you're right! My GTI has those exact wheels, I just didn't notice. I was trying to figure out if the front and rear bumper paint match the rest of the car or not, can't tell if it's lighting or bad paint job. paint on the bumpers look slightly darker and less vibrant. Go to 6:24 for good example at the rear quarter panel and rear bumper.
Ewww why would you get a GTI in anything but manual? Do you hate driving?
@@CyseTV cause DSG transmissions are fast asf
Love my Turbo Veloster. That DCT really makes it fun to drive to work. I definitely experience a lot of hesitation at lower speeds, like if I'm going through a school zone, as the RPM tend to shift between the ranges it wants to shift up and down, so sometimes if I haven't manually selected a gear, it'll shift up and down out of second and third. I'll remember not to inch to my stop next time though!
Did you read the manual? they designed it to be that way lol They made it where it stays so you can downshift quicker, Its a track car, but if you put your foot down the car will boost forward. So if you drive N mode or N custom. It will stay between 3 and 4 at around 30mph. If you drive in the normal mode, at that same speed it will be at 6 lol.
but yeah read the manual you'll learn so much about your car.
@@therealsechs he said veloster turbo not veloster N lol the turbo is not a track car
@@therealsechs Nor does it have any ‘N’ modes to speak of because well… it isn’t an N
@@zenxen7668 he said DCT as if he has driven the N model before. Perhaps he owns two cars or knows someone with an N.
Regardless. Good idea for any car owner to read the manual.
@@therealsechs Both the Turbo and N comes with dcts and 6spd standards so that’s why he mentioned it but yea I get where you’re coming from though and agree about the owners manual thing
#2 - In many modern vehicles, there is an automatic brake engaged when you are on an incline. The dashboard has a green light that is a picture of a foot on a brake pedal with a circle around it to indicate it's engaged. In that case, feel free to take your foot off the brake.
In my car i have to press the brake pedal to a certain depth for the brake to engage. It's convenient once you get used to it's and actually useful, as opposed to the annoying engine auto stop at red lights which sometimes stops the engine while the car is rolling ... thankfully it can be turned off.
Always love your videos. You educate me. I just got a used CC with DSG and I’m getting used to it. Knowing how to drive stick, and Motorcoaches with ZF transmissions, the feathering and rpm play a big factor of a smooth ride. I get a noise out of the low end of acceleration but I think it’s the chain tensioner that needs to be replaced.
did you ever figure out what the noise was?
Man, I freaking appreciate you and your videos!!!
In my wife's 2012 TDI Golf with wet clutch DSG, I shift into neutral at the lights, as the fuel usage indicates that it actually uses less fuel in neutral than with the foot on the brake whilst in gear. In a tank of fuel, I've found it can make between 0.5 and 1 ltr per 100km difference.
In the owners manual of a dsg it says to not shift into neutral when coming to a stop 😅
I noticed the same effect with my late Golf 6 GTI. The technical reason was that switching to neutral turned the hydraulics pump off that provides the oil pressure for the clutch packs.
If switching to neutral was harmful this setting wouldn't exist or would be blocked like switching to reverse while driving. The only thing that could happen in my opinion is that turning off the oil pump on a boiling hot gearbox could lead to overheating since the oil is not only hydraulics medium but also cooling medium.
@@MkGti-si5pq Didn't read that in my wife's car. Could because it was diesel and a wet clutch, not petrol and dry clutch...
@@MetalheadAndNerd the oil pump will keep running, but the pressure control solenoids for the clutches will be set to zero pressure. You'll still get circulation and cooling. And less heat will be going into the fluid from the clutch packs. That extra fuel consumption in drive is basically heating up the fluid.
@@MkGti-si5pq "when coming to a stop" would mean don't coast in neutral. Once stopped you can definitely select neutral.
Great hill start advice, and creeping forward advice, thank you! Will come in handy when I get a C8.
Fantastic! I was curious about why the transmission did the things that it did, and now that I understand how it works, it makes perfect sense! Thank you so much for this great video.
Every time I click on your videos I'm confident that you tell real facts and good info and that there's no clickbait whatsoever.
Based on the thumbnail you should never upshift 🤷♂️
@@yhelloh LOL
Damn, 2M subs for some car knowledge. Impressive.
I'm getting one of the Veloster Turbo models with the DCT this upcoming summer, so this is really helpful. Thank you!
Soveliss Firemane did you get one? How’s it working for you? Looking at new models now...
Excellent video. I just bought a Tuscon 1.6 T with DCT and this is by far the best video I have found on DCT’s and how they work. Thank you
I like all your videos. Keep up the good work. Your answer will save thousands of dollars in fixing this issue. Thanks in advance. I have 2008 Jetta 2.0T TSI equipped with DSG (to be more specific it is model DQ250). I totally agree that, but car's hesitation and jerkIness happens at slow bumper to bumper traffic [ONLY AFTER SPIRITED DRIVING (SAY 30 MINS)] this madness happens once tranny oil attains certain temperature. Something in mechatronic not function right when oil is warm or hot. There is absolutely no hesitation or jerkIness in transmissions, when oil is cold. Rather than expensive fix of replacing mechatronic unit I will go with cheaper fix. Do you think it should be great idea to install a aftermarket DSG oil cooler? Do you think it will work?
Take a shot everytime he says clutch
Foundere annnnd I’m dead
Foundere 😂
Well that was fun for 10 seconds... Now I'm drink...*drunk*
ROFL ... instant cirrhosis . Lol
Over 25
clear and logical as always, thank you E E. so many problems with machines occur because operators don't understand how they work. You explain it very well.
The flaw in these transmissions is when you are coasting along at about 40 mph and it predicts that the next change will be up. You suddenly need a quick burst of power when you get an opportunity to overtake and the delay is terrifying.
These systems are considered unsafe to use in high speed police pursuit vehicles for that reason. Ambulance drivers are having the same problem.
I’ve just bought an MG HS and your video explained pretty much what I need to be aware off. I just need to better understand how to not overheat my clutch when I’m stuck on an incline hill 😓 still my frustration. The other day I almost rolled back
He said “clutch” 44 times by my count if anyone’s interested
if it wasn't a video for dual clutch transmission he'd probably say "clutch" 22 times
drinking game
The DSG dual-clutch has built-in creep, and it keeps the operating clutch fully engaged. This is a design feature, not a consequence of the design technology. It is perfectly OK to creep in it, controlling the speed with light braking.
That won't cause significant clutch wear on the wet-clutch versions, but it *will* do so on the dry-clutch versions of the DSG (i.e., on the 1.2, 1.4, 1.5 TSI engines).
Jason, my experience with my ‘13 S4 is clutch is the clutch is binary, either disengaged when brake on or, upon releasing brake, quickly fully engaged. Engagement does not seem to use any slipping mode, counting on the low 1st ratio to make the transition smooth enough. Fly is when you hit the gas quickly in an up hill scenario, then engine speed gets elevated above idle before the clutch closes, resulting in a jerk motion. Also about no slip evident in a launch (only did that once!) as pretty violent on the drive train when no wheel spin to absorb the overload.
Thank you for your explanation and example about coming to a stop then the light turns green. So in that scenario, a hesitation or a delay is expected because the computer thinks you're slowing down but in reality, you want to speed up.
But isn't that dangerous? What if you are slowing down to park in your garage when suddenly you see a speeding, reckless driver barreling towards you and there is a possibility of him T-boning you, the instinct is to step on the gas to move away from the speeding car. If there is a half second delay, isn't that the difference between a bad accident and a close call?
Just got GTI DSG. Time to watch this video
Ever since I watched an onboard cam on an F1 race car, I've wanted an electric servo shifted dual clutch transmission. Now I have 1, a 7 speed, and got it for cheap!
You mean you have just a transmission, right? XOXO
Interestingly, F1 cars don't have dual clutch transmissions (they are banned). They have single clutch transmissions which are just synchronised to shift really fast. (You get a gear soup of broken bits if the synchronisation is off!)
I’ve had a Dual Clutch Transmission Honda motorcycle for 4 years now and really like it. The bike accelerates quicker and gets up to speed a lot quicker I could shifting through the gears. The great thing is that you only need to do is hold the throttle open the whole time. There are two automatic modes, D-Mode for economy, S-Mode for sport and a MT-Mode for Manual operation. There are paddle shifters on the left control pod easily accessible using your index finger and thumb. The clutches full disengage when at a stop with some resistance to prevent the bike to roll back easily. Some careful throttle twisting can simulate feathering the clutch, once you get the hang of it.
Many of my questions about my gearbox were answered in this video, thanks
The inching fwd makes sense to me now! My wife had a Dodge Dart with the 1.4t and ddct trans. Whenever we would get caught in heavy stop n go traffic for long periods of time, there would be a burning smell and minor smoke developing from the engine bay. We even had the shut down on us one time (prob due to the clutch overheating). These cars should be built to withstand any type of typical driving condition though. FCA has since dialed back the number of Darts with that come 1.4t/ddct combo.
just do a neutral drop
genuinely had me lol
tack it up and slam in gear
LOL
why dont you just take your gearbox out of your car and beat it with a sledgehammer
So after watching this video it's made me a lot more comfortable about my R36 Passat and the DSG box in it!
I find I have to inch a lot when parking into a tighter spot. Living in Europe in a typical soviet block, so the cars are really close and you have to make small adjustments. Thanks for the tips!
I have a question. Should you use a manual shifting feature regularly on a dual clutch vehicle? In example, will it be bad for your car if you shift at different speed and rev compared to when it's on a automatic mode?
What if I like my clutches hot? ヽ( ͝° ͜ʖ͡°)ﾉ
set on fire
+shivaraj p solved.
smirnof quaboxsky tatti ka
Noah B ii
some like it hot :D
I've just bought a car with a DCT and I've watched this whole video, thanks for the information it's all very important stuff to know.
thanks, I am considering a VW GTI with dual clutch, and this is important information to know before buying.
I know it's a bit late but don't let the comments on here put you off buying a VW golf gti with Dsg. I have had no issues, it is a dream to drive
+EngineeringExplained do a video on wet clutch vs dry clutch and multi plat vs single plat
Extremely interesting. I'm thinking of buying a Honda Motorcycle with a dual clutch automatic transmission. I really didn't quite understand it's operation until your excellent explanation. Thanks.
Please tell me that it is the CTX700?
Arturo, It is the CTX700. I've been saving up for a year. Getting close to being able to go get one. Do you like the CTX700?
We're on the same page. I *love* that motorcycle. Pretty soon buying one too!
Great! Thanks Arturo. Hope you get one soon too.
Don't buy a automatic motorcycle, that completely ruins the purpose of a motorcycle, and also, although you may not care much as I don't, people will laugh at you.
Thank you for a most informative presentation, well delivered.
Very nice video! I like the way you explain the things. Not only in this video, but in others as well.
How do you measure vehicle speed during acceleration? You just read on a dash board or you use more precise instrument?
"Who's that guy talking to himself in his car in the woods?"
Nice vid out there! Learned a lot from this. But I have questions regarding point no.3 which is about inching forward. It's best to allow enough gap to get up speed for the clutch to fully engage. But, how fast is fast? Is it like 10-15mph or higher? Or 1-2k rpm? Look forward for the answers. Thanks and keep it up with those great quality videos!
its a bit late but as far as i can tell. In a manual transmission you can easily drive 10 km/h (so about 6 miles per hour) ?
I have the i30 SR and when I launch it but take too long the revs go back to standby, but if I time it right and go ooo its so sweet
#3 My car (VW brand, Touran II) has gear #1 only for starting to drive, it will immediately switch to gear #2 afterwards. In such a scenario, I switch to manual and to M1 to slowly drive forward. Otherwise the car would shift to D2, and will not close the clutch completely and will lead to the problem you told (but with gear #2 instead of #1). So it helps to know how your car is working to avoid slipping clutches.
I recall when I learned to drive with a dual clutch, it was driving me crazy as to what the car was doing, compared to traditional automatic transmissions which has natural intuitive shifting points.
And are MUCH more reliable long term. Not too mention easier too drive. Especially, for those who have never driven a manual before. Why Hyundai put a wet clutch DCT in the new turbo Santa Fe is beyond me. They should have just stuck with the normal 8 speed auto the SEL and lower trims have. I see A LOT of problems arising from these new trannies wet or dry clutch. They are just not reliable.
I’m interested in an Audi TT so I had to watch this
Hi, and thanks for all the info. One thing I found disturbing with my dual dry clutch kona is trying to go up a slippery snowy hill in automatic mode with the anti skid disarmed is that: in 2nd gear, loosing momentum it behaves as if the clutch disengaged, RPM goes up but no more traction… 🙃 I ended up always leaving in manual mode, still with anti skid disarmed and no more issues.
Nice clear video - with so much uniformed information it's great to see nice succinct and clear facts and statements.
I once drove a Veloster with a Dual Clutch and basically I got excited when we got the Veloster N (manual) to drive instead. From my experience the dual clutch I drove would jerk around at slow speeds and felt sloppy. I'd much prefer to just clutch myself. These larger cars suffer from similar jerkiness at slow speeds. (I work at a Hyundai dealer so I drive a lot of this stuff on a weekly basis).
The dct on the vw golf gti I test drove felt really jerky and slow. On the 6 spd version, at least it shifts instantly and smoother whenever I throw the shifter in whatever gear I want it in
@@AIDAHAR210 It’s mostly the tcu’s fault. I have a mk7 golf gti with the dsg and I got a tcu tune as soon as I got it and most of the jerkiness is gone.
I would love to see a video on 5 things not to do in a CVT.
No. 1: Do not keep the car, sell it
Always driven a manual but very interesting nonetheless. Can you explain the purpose/benefit of Honda's triple clutch 11 speed gearbox and whether you think it will ever see the light of day, especially as DCT's seem to be out of favour a little. Why are DCT's out of favour since they came on strong due to the benefit to economy?
The hyundai car is my fave now I am in transition of buying a car and I'm in a loaner 2017 hyanida elantra sedan... dude thing is so awesome it has such a smooth ride and the steering is excellent
Thank you, just brought a 2007 VW gti with DSG and I am learning...
Can you do an "Automatic vs dual clutch" video ? Great work btw !
+ChinnuWoW dual clutch and your traditional automatic are different
Dual Clutch is a lot more like a traditional manual transmission. They generally use heliacal gears. The big difference is that you have 2 shafts, one inside another. these 2 shafts have the cogs for every other gear. So the inner shaft might have 1, 3, 5, 7 and the outer will have 2, 4, 6. The transmission uses small motors to move sleeves which can pre-engage 2 gears at once. For example sitting at a stop both 1st and 2nd gear will be engaged. Now to connect that to the engine, you have 2 clutches, one for each shaft. When you hit the gas, the computer engages the clutch for 1st gear, then once it comes time for 2nd, it releases the first clutch and engages the 2nd. Once the 2nd clutch is engaged, a motor moves the sleeve from 1st gear and pre-engages 3rd. Then when it comes time to shift from 2nd to 3rd, it simply releases the 2nd clutch and engages the 1st again.
RogueRAZR Thanks man
+She doesn't know $#!+ yeah, you're so manly. Woman love you and children look up to you because you drive manual exactly
They look up to you because you are Chuck Norris and you kick ass and have a cool beard :)
Great video. Thanks. Can you explain the driving differences, if any, between a regular automatic transmission and Toyota's Electronically Controlled Automatic Transmission in the 2017-18-19 Highlanders?
Yeah, My 12 Focus has a dry clutch dct. Good video Wish i had seen this in late 16 lol. oh well.
Can you do a CVT transmission video?
Most cars with a dual clutch transmission have a hill holder feature that applies the brakes when you let off the brake pedal to the accelerator when stopped on a hill. Otherwise, the car rolls back like in a manual car.
runforit420 mine sometimes work and thats on the same hill hahaha so annoying tho
Thank you guys !very interesting!
It’s interesting how different these intricacies are changed by having a PHEV with a dual clutch transmission, namely the Hyundai Ioniq (2019). For instance, creeping forward on & off is nowhere near the issue it would be if I didn’t have a hybrid.
As a note, I’ve noticed a slightly longer delay when shifting in a way that the car doesn’t expect, but never to the point of being an issue for me, perhaps the hybrid drivetrain helps fill in the gaps better than I think it does. Otherwise, power is almost always transferred very quickly and cleanly after you engage first gear all the way.
Friend bought a DCT car 2 years ago defended his purchase by citing these techniques.
He's now on his second gearbox.
what brand & model?
Could you do a video that explains everything you said?
Lmfao
I don’t think you should be driving a sports car if you don’t understand these things.
@@cristopherflores6195 That's why you shouldn't be thinking
Very good video. I just bought a car as shown in your video and had never heard of the duel clutch before.
Can you do a video on the 2006-2008 audi a3 hatchback? It also has a dual clutch system. I think that would be a great car to review/go over. Thanks!
I really like this channel and i already learned a lot from it or it confirmed what i already have known but i maybe wasn't 100 % sure about, but it could be much better for me as a European guy if u would use metric units (too) so i don't need to quote anything to get an idea about it.
Just learn normal units!
Great video! Extremely educational. Regarding the "logic of the DSG", in my Golf GTI, there is exactly what you described - a lag when I downshift using the paddles whilst accelerating. The computer may think I'm accelerating, therefore the next gearshift should be up. Actually, the true situation is that I'm accelerating because I want to overtake, and I'm downshifting because I need to accelerate more quickly at that point. Is there anything I can do about this frustrating lag??
I tap the break and downshift right after then accelerate
The lag should only be a fraction of a second. Just the time it takes for the shift fork to select a new gear. So say you're in third, the transmission has fourth preselected, then you put your foot down, or manually select second, all that has to happen is the shift fork moves from fourth to second then declutches. It's a bit slower than a normal shift but should only be a tiny bit slower.
Very good and helpfull info just the exact type of explanation of the things i was wondering and worrying about... But i would really have liked to see if the revs do come down if the brake and gas pedal was held for to long.. But still dude i love how you explain crucial parts i always remember it
My 5 series has dual clutch and i can feel the difference at neutral while stationary it’s not only disengage power but safe fuel too if you choose to opt out auto start stop
Why was this video recommended to me for O_o Haven't looked up anything car related in like a few months xD
+dha12oks time for your quarterly refresher!
Possibly, though I only just recently got a new car :D
+dha12oks car shop without watching some reviews on RUclips? hats off to you
Rui Jin Nah mate, I've seen the model of car I got now for over a few years now to know what to expect :P
+dha12oks RUclips managed to figure out that you got a new car and suggested these videos lol. What kind of car did you get if you don't mind my asking? :D
Great video. Question: what if you have to creep while in Reverse? Is that equally as bad as creeping forward? It sounds pretty dangerous if you have to always accelerate when in Reverse.
No its not. Creeping in reverse is completely fine. Engineers knew it was common sense to go slow and cautious in reverse anyway.
DCTs generally have a low first gear and an even lower reverse.
You don't need to use the accelerator to creep. If there's room, just let the brakes off completely, and the clutch will fully engage, and the car will move forward slowly or backwards even more slowly. Less than walking speed in my car.
Good information, very educational in understanding clutches. Thank you.
I have elantra sport 2019 same dct works awesome
@Collidiscope Looking to get a 2020 Forte GT soon! How is the transmission holding up? Any problems pop up with the car?