He bent the snot out of that rail when he banged it on the post. Granted, he bashed it pretty hard, but seemed to make a conscious effort to not show it afterwards.
xwolf22 Exactly. I wouldn't expect many thinner, lightweight rails to hold up to too much heavy bashing like that. I'm not surprised or even really disappointed in what happened. What I didn't like was someone saying "let's see how it holds up to being smashed into a post" and then hiding it. I am actually still pretty interested in the rifle and am considering buying it.
JunkfoodZombie HAHA seriously. Whats with that? It's a super lite long gun that is MEANT to be not as sturdy (hence, the weight save...duh). I don't get how he thought he could impress the lesser minded AR shoppers by giving it the ol' heave and ho as if to prove it had some kind of titanium or AK type durability when it seemed to me that it was not supposed to be. Rugged is a trade off with weight...this is fundamental common sense. You can't beat physics, so what he should of done, is just show off the fact that it's a 5.7 lbs AR and that, in itself, is really neat...BCM is a great company. You don't need whats-his-face from RECOIL to try to make it seem like the all-around silver bullet perfection AR.
JunkfoodZombie Not to mention that honestly, I was super excited when I started to watch this, until he started making fun of those who may add more to the guard. "Well it's beyond me"....well not to me. I would happily add a single pound worth of rails (I'm not a huge keymod guy...more for aesthetic reasons than fuctionality) and there are companies who make uber-light rails/rail covers that I would put on that gun to assist with things like heat and absorbing sun when shooting without gloves.
hmmm. At 4:52 you can see the rail caved in but since the barrel is free floating I guess that's why it doesn't make a difference. Be nice if you could just as easily straighten it out.
At 4.51 u can see it was bent to buggery. - They were soft taps also. When I'm forewarned about slight heating expect a lot of over heating. Need to find an indie review on this.
I've got this weapon. Built it from scratch myself. AMAZING. But I do not understand why he destroyed a $300 handguard. It was bent to shit, so you know the front sight is no longer aligned, but I assume the point was to show it still protected the barrel to the point of proper function.
JustaGuyx91 Still though, most people with common sense would know that, and he kinda insults the viewers intelligence by making it appear otherwise. If you're researching a new super lite AR, and you had half a brain, as AWESOME as this BCM looks, this uppity turd from RECOIL kinda ruined the excitement by trying to give it the ol' AK-level-of-unbreakability test by smashing it all over the range
Oh, of course, it's a showpiece. He may be an uppity turd with his viewer-seducing foreign accent, but that's completely besides the point. There was no reason to wreck the rail. Like you said, "...half a brain..." It's a lightweight metal rail. OF COURSE it's going to get bent with that type of intentional abuse. A plastic hand guard would no doubt have broken off, leaving you with nothing to hold on the fore end but the mag well. So I think you just reiterated my initial point, that there was no reason to do that, other than to be a douche. Its a great weapon for just about any need, home defense, competition, or SHTF... completely reliable... UNTIL you smash it against a post for no reason whatsoever.
lol yea i just noticed that...was warped. the mlok handguard is sturdier for sure. I dont see many scenarios of this happening to a handguard...even dropping it. youd have to slam into rocks or run it over. A 6 ft drop on concrete wouldnt even do that lol
+Michael Wells ...This is just an opinion...I like the ALG Defense rails..they are a lot cheaper but a bit heavier and they come with the MLOK interface which I prefer....
+DFWWARPIGS I saw the rifle with keymod handguard get run over by a truck, and still function. it was bent pretty bad but the gas tube did not get damaged, and it ran fine. not saying its the best, but it will do..
I love the way they set up this rifle so much that I had to watch the video again. This is just a beautiful rifle. ...I'm not too happy with the fact that they covered up the DESTROYED hand guard, but at the same time every damn hand guard I know of would do this. In a Larry Vickers DDM4 torture test they noted that after being run over, the DD hand guard was crushed and hugging the barrel. Oh yeah and we all know what the plastic hand guards would do... I would say the main point is that the hand guard didn't shatter or burst into flames as some people were afraid of because it's got a partially magnesium alloy. hahaha.
No shit. Hey guys what kind of red dot do you use? I don’t want to spend a fortune. Currently just using Daniel Defense fixed irons. Was considering the Bushnell at optics 1-6 as it’s designed specifically around 5.56.
Checkout this link to BCM's KAG that was in the video. It's a handstop grip that helps with C-Clamp grip styles. www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCMGUNFIGHTER-KAG-KeyMod-Black-p/bcm-kag-km-blk.htm
It's up to user preference - whichever way you find more comfortable and accurate to shoot. You could install it at the 7:30 position if it felt better for you.
The Professional Ordnance Carbon 15 rifle was a really good attempt at a very lightweight, accurate, dependable rifle. My 2001 model has a 16" fluted stainless barrel and bolt carrier, a steel full length top rail and very low iron sights. The carbon fiber handguard has slot cut outs for weight and cooling. The only downside is do Not let it heat up too much. You'll catch the carbon fiber reciever on fire! But for a house gun it's hard to beat. Too bad they went under. Bushmaster bought them and used an aluminum upper receiver, but they just couldn't sell enough. The the AR craze hadn't really taken off yet. She shoots 1" groups at 100 yards.
Yes, I just bought one last week and plan on doing that myself, just order from their site. Also hello fellow Fishwick, where you from if you don't mind me asking.
Bravo, let's see that barrel bashing test again, I'm pretty sure he bent the crap out of the guard, no buggy, BUT he was hitting WAY to the right of target... Crappy sights or did the barrel bend?
Tydirium this is the main reason why I’m scared to pull the trigger on another BCM recce!!!...please listen to us?!...hurry yuh ass and make a .308!!’...
Maybe this why bcm isnt making the original kmr anymore? The Magnesium/ aluminum alloy doesnt look too strong. New full aluminum is stronger, and mlok is even more rigid than keymod
No one was expecting the Handguard to not bend like that after being beaten, the job was just to make sure it ran fine and didn’t effect the operation of the rifle. It mess up the sight alignment but you can adjust aim for that.
Love my 5 BCM carbines. That being said, the ELWF barrel + KMR 13 handguard gets HOT very fast. It can quickly become uncomfortable even when wearing gloves. Moreover, we're coming up on a year and a half since the KMR stuff released and the Keymod rail covers are still vaporware. I know that Paul is dedicated to quality and won't release a product until it is right. That's why I'll continue to buy BCM rifles and no others. Still, I'm leaning toward going to standard barrels and M-LOK rails (the rail covers are actually available) on my BCM guns to deal with the heat issue.
Deciding between the 14.5 Recce Standard ELW-Fluted or the BFH 14.5 ELW sounds the same but one is fluted and the other is BFH or barrel, hammer & forged.
What do you guys think about using this as a fighting rifle? Or a shit hits the fan gun? I own one and I love it. Havnt noticed an issue really with heat, accuracy or poi shift much at all..Its sub inch at 50 and 1-3 inches at 100. Would anyone here trust this rifle with their life in a combat scenario?
Even with the rail bent, would the point of impact even be shifted? Since the Eotech is mounted on the upper receiver and not the rail lol. Just wondering why he'd shoot to "prove" it wasn't effected, rather than showing us the rail.
i have bcm and love it so far. how many people would bang there rifle that hard against anything anyways. unless your military or law enforcement of some sort would be banging there rifle. good video in my opinion.
SigMan M11 you get caught doing that in the Marine corps you will get E.M.I. , or see U.C.M.J. charges and face the brig ! No 0311 Rifleman would ever abuse his rifle like that !
Justin Spencer I think that's without optics. You can find it for a bit cheaper. That's MSRP. It's a lot of dough, but I run a home-built RECCE (built it just for funzies) with some of my own touches to it and I couldn't ask for a better jack of all trades.
Justin Spencer with out optics, It was listed around 5:23 (price as featured) at 3,167.90. Still a pretty fair price considering the Eotech w/ 3x combination is around 1200 its self. www.eotechinc.com/holographic-weapon-sights/holographic-hybrid-sight-I-exps3-4-with-g33sts-magnifier
I got an EOTech 516 for a steal since they're discontinued, then bought the G33 separately. I look for deals cause I'm a cheapass but that's beside the point. The two in a combo are absolutely perfect for almost any application the gun can be used for. Turns a 0-200 yard gun into a 0-500 yard gun, considering humanoid targets. Especially with the BDC reticle like you linked to. And it still edges out at a little cheaper than the really high-end 1-6x scopes. and you can still use BUIS.
Oh yeah, that's a great combo. Pretty much any range realistically accessible by the rifle can be accomplished with it. I don't have the BDC variant myself, I actually just picked up the t-2 micro from larue Tactical. They had a good deal with a mount (www.laruetactical.com/aimpoint-micro-t-2). but it certainly looks to be an awesome edition to the Eotech line. Might make me reconsider the next time I'm in the market. They have another BDC variant with just 2 dots that covers 500 Yards (maybe meters) and in as well. 1200 is also on the high side (MSRP like you said). opticsplanet.com usually has good deals for the combo as well as other sites. I only linked directly to Eotech since they are the authoritative source to link too.
I own the KMR Alpha hand guard on 2 of my AR15's. Note to self.....Don't try to chop wood with your KMR alpha hand guard. I saw how bent up that shit got.
who else is going to bang their hand guards against a pole? if so this isn't the rifle for you. but if you're a serious shooter who needs a reliable smooth shooting AR who values light weight tools then this is for you. I rather be able to comfortably walk a mile with my light weight rifle than hit poles with my heavy ass rifle. I appreciate this brand.
Look at this super light 5.7lb maneuverable carbine. To continue with the light weight & easy maneuverability theme since id be completely illogical to put an Aimpoint T2 or Comp-M5 on top of a Battle Arms Development lower 1/3rd that all in is under under 5.5-7oz with another 2.5-3oz for Magpul pros Buis totaling less than 10oz,...and 4-5oz for a surefire 500lumen mini scout & instead the only logical choice is this “ultra light weight”(Heavy Sarcasm) EoTech EXPS3-0&G33 Magnifier set with a mere combined weight of 22-24oz which defiantly does(NOT) exemplifies n maximize all the strengths this BCM 14.5” ELW has going for it..... 🙄 My primary defensive rifle I shoot more than anything else is a 16” BCM BFH-ELW with Fde bcm bcg, 15” Fde kmr-a keymod rail with factory complete Fde bcm lower which typically sports a Aimpoint Comp M5, FDE-Inforce WMLx Weapon light on Bcm offset mount, Fde Bcm keymod rail panel covers& Fde kag grip rounded off with Magpul pro irons and a blue force gear padded 2-point sling. To each their own, as I love the eotech reticle and overall they are a great company, with proven track record, yet since they have yet to addresses the significant drawbacks of its excessive weight& the very poor battery life... Aimpoint has smaller FOV yet hadn’t offered any variation in a reflex style sight not offered a model with a circle dot, for quick target acquisition. Enter the promising but yet to be proven Holosun’s HE512T-GR Elite, that would offer the same reticle. A minimum of 20k/50k hr +(With solar panel to extend the battery life, further) Offering a totally sealed body made of 7075 Aluminum impact resistant coating, that also ipx8 water proofed , which completely surrounds any of the potential areas debris could block the Fov the reticles projected on, with a green reticle that’s easier for he human eye to pick up, and while some may roll their eyes at a “premium” line from Holosun, IF this optic can develop a proven track record, while improving on the concept eotech pioneered, yet address almost all of the drawbacks, that make some like myself shy away from eotech when looking for an optic that can be left on, with an annual battery change and just know it’s gtg. While the weight may only be slightly lighter than the exps3-0 by itself, Until Aimpoint or Trijicon chooses to offer the best of both worlds but putting a circle/dot reticle in an Aimpoint micro/Mro sized package, to bring to market a variation with great battery life, track record, compact light weight, and the rugged durability both companies are known for, its safe to say, the next couple years as technology evolves and becomes more affordable that ever that it will be interesting to see if Aimpoint, Trijion& eotech will rise to the challenge n offer something that’s a stronger more durable option similar in concept to Holosun’s HS503GU-Gr Elite, or if daring to stray from the norm will pay off and allow Holosun premium line to compete with the Mro and 30mm Patrol model? Not saying A sub 200$ holosun snd Aimpoint comp 5 are in same category durability n track record, only that they clearly are an innovative company that will force the big boys to take a second look at their product kind and the features they offer which hopefully will allow the consumer to have more options & features increasing durability and quality while the competition may reduce the price of quality red dots since a select few manufacturers don’t have a monopoly on the market any longer.
Did he ask why you would want to put "alot of garbage on a lightweight Kaar Byne"? Well, it's a friggin Recce rifle. So, yeah I'm mounting an IR/Laser and flashlght.
Great intro, great camera work and audio, great use of graphics...but hiding the totally smashed rail ...not cool. It’s a light rail dude. What did you expect?
That rail looks flimsy and i'm not sold on the idea of trimming meat from the barrel. Less meat = less durability and lifetime round count. I hate the fact that BCM puts their logo on everything in goofy bright white lettering. Its hard for me to get sold on their milspec battle rifle image when they sell a rifle marked up like a sponsor wall.
Having carried a rifle days at a time for years, I love it. I don't plan on mag dumping or getting into endless gunfights with it, so as a home defense shtf rifle it's perfect
As it is, I'd go with the obvious over any other, a Daniel Defense. But after seeing how that rail bent with light taps and for that price tag, nah, Daniel Defense again.
I have the Recce 14 as seen in this video, my wife has the Daniel Defense V11, I way prefer the BCM RECCE over the Daniel Defense, it feels so much nicer and fluid, a real awesome fighting rifle!
Sasmodog At the end of the day it's all about enjoying your own and becoming good and accurate with it. I respect your opinion sir. Happy shooting and May God Bless America!
Actually to be honest I like the way my BCM shoots and feels only slightly more than the DD V11, but the DD V11 has proven more reliable thus far, my BCM absolutely will not shoot steel cased ammo, the DD shoots it all day long, my BCM Will not seat a full 30 round mag at all with the bolt forward, if I lock the bolt back than put the FULL 30 round mag in and let the bolt ride home, pull trigger and fire I get a malfunction every time, so I have to put only 28 rounds in my mag to prevent malfunction, if I do that its rock solid, but it still should malfunction on a full mag and I've talked to BCM About it and they are playing dumb.
+Sasmodog I have the V11 PRO and inserting a fully loaded 30 round mag is no issue, and yes, it will eat anything you feed it. I hope that BCM steps up their game on customer service if thats the case and takes care of the issue so that you get your money's worth. I know DD would not hesitate to solve any issues their customers may encounter. DD treats customers like family as does S&W.... Good luck sir....
Omg I can’t use my bcm rail as a baseball bat and not bend it? What if I am in the middle of a fire fight and need to lay down a bunt. I’ll stick to palmetto.
Well his test he put the rail through was not nearly as bad as a 250 lb man falling on his rifle on rocks....or ran over. To light= to weak. Great product for what it is but....its a target rail.
Map Led Exactly...but apparently, as the tool from RECOIL says, doing that would be "just beyond me"...as if WE are the idiots for wanting a little more on the handguard. I am not a big fan of the look of barebones keymod, and would probably add a few ounces of rail and rail covers that block sun+overheat that I've been seeing on the market lately. Plus, the rails I'd invest in won't bend. Maybe he shouldn't run his mouth about how adding a minor couple ounces of sturdy to that handguard is just so "beyond him"
everyone complaining about the bent rail need to get a grip. Enough with the keyboard warriors and be realistic with yourselves if that's even possible... Are you going to put your rifle through that kind of abuse??? The average civilian wont, so...... I'm not a fan of key-mod whatsoever, but I can appreciate a good product. Their shit is top notch compared to manufacturers like LWRC & Warsport who charge 2 or even 3x for their products. BCM specifically said they're looking into ways on lightening up their weapon systems' without sacrificing quality. Their KMR rails were a result and are a blend of magnesium and aluminum alloys which is what help shed the weight along with all the lightening cuts of the key-mod slots. Then there's there lightweight and Enhanced Lightweight barrels. Are you going to complain they heat up to fast? Can't have those now too... Most of you asshats INCLUDING MYSELF won't even hit sustained cadences of fire long enough for the barrel to deviate on accuracy so you can shut the fuck up on that avenue as well... They make products that are entrusted by law enforcement and our armed forces and you're giving them shit for that? If you're so worried, they now offer their rails in 100% aluminum, so if you're so hell bent and butt hurt on your rails bending for "abuse" you'll never see, quit whining and go grab a KMR Alpha or their standard profile barrels...
+Steele Risse No, you need to get a grip. The point wasn't that the rail got dented to hell, most people would expect that of an extremely LW handguard and accept it as a tradeoff. The point was trying to hide it. "But... is it robust enough?" "Guess it is." Nope, sorry, off buying DD SLiM.
That was alot of bullshit. Buy a rifle to use as a sledgehammer & a club. Is this what it takes to sell your product? Or is it that some people think that they're some type of commandos or operators on death missions after they get off work at 5pm. This type of promotion has arrived at the point of being absurd. The same can be said about getting everything so light. It's difficult to have a gun be featherweight and robust at the same time. Thank you all the same I'll take my rifle above 6 but below 7lbs.
Nah the barrel was fine. But ya the handguard was f'd. Was proly the magnesium version they had out at first, the aluminum ones are stronger though would proly get bent if whacked like that too
IMO most people want a 16" barrel not a 14.5" pinned and most people want a medium profile barrel like your 14.5 Mid EMWF just in a 16"length, honestly no one wants a pencil barrel light weight or the Government profile for sure!
He bent the snot out of that rail when he banged it on the post. Granted, he bashed it pretty hard, but seemed to make a conscious effort to not show it afterwards.
xwolf22
Exactly. I wouldn't expect many thinner, lightweight rails to hold up to too much heavy bashing like that. I'm not surprised or even really disappointed in what happened. What I didn't like was someone saying "let's see how it holds up to being smashed into a post" and then hiding it. I am actually still pretty interested in the rifle and am considering buying it.
***** I'm not overly familiar with the Centurion, but I know DD makes some outstanding rails. And yes, they are very strong.
JunkfoodZombie yah, 4:51... rail dented in big time. Agreed... don't hide it. Call it "not bad for gross abuse", but don't hide it.
JunkfoodZombie HAHA seriously. Whats with that? It's a super lite long gun that is MEANT to be not as sturdy (hence, the weight save...duh). I don't get how he thought he could impress the lesser minded AR shoppers by giving it the ol' heave and ho as if to prove it had some kind of titanium or AK type durability when it seemed to me that it was not supposed to be. Rugged is a trade off with weight...this is fundamental common sense. You can't beat physics, so what he should of done, is just show off the fact that it's a 5.7 lbs AR and that, in itself, is really neat...BCM is a great company. You don't need whats-his-face from RECOIL to try to make it seem like the all-around silver bullet perfection AR.
JunkfoodZombie Not to mention that honestly, I was super excited when I started to watch this, until he started making fun of those who may add more to the guard. "Well it's beyond me"....well not to me. I would happily add a single pound worth of rails (I'm not a huge keymod guy...more for aesthetic reasons than fuctionality) and there are companies who make uber-light rails/rail covers that I would put on that gun to assist with things like heat and absorbing sun when shooting without gloves.
4:51
"Is it robust enough? Let's find out." "Yes it is."
Dear BCM. You make high quality products. The damage to the rail and obvious coverup is misrepresenting you.
4:52 that handguard is nice and bent. Still really like it..just won't beat stuff with it.
That rail was bent to shit after he "tested it"
JGstunts22 4:40 WTF
JGstunts22 that was kinda the point, it could take damage and still keep running
JGstunts22 LMFAO.. GOOD EYE BRA!
+tbone martinez An ar-15 doesn't need a handguard to keep running though.
Pathof Phobos try shooting one without one and see how long it feels good to hold that barrel
hmmm. At 4:52 you can see the rail caved in but since the barrel is free floating I guess that's why it doesn't make a difference. Be nice if you could just as easily straighten it out.
It's funny that he just shot the gun, but he wasn't hitting any steel. It was compromised & damaged.
That rail looked pretty dented at -.48 sec. Anyone else see that?
Oh yeah. He bent the snot out of it.
I sure did
It is...the mlok version is sturdier...but itll still work after. Plus he fuckin whailed on that thing lol...not normal hard use at all...
He definitely dented the shit out of that rail.
I am an unapologetic BCM fanboy...
Great video, great carbine.
At 4.51 u can see it was bent to buggery. - They were soft taps also. When I'm forewarned about slight heating expect a lot of over heating. Need to find an indie review on this.
I've got this weapon. Built it from scratch myself. AMAZING.
But I do not understand why he destroyed a $300 handguard. It was bent to shit, so you know the front sight is no longer aligned, but I assume the point was to show it still protected the barrel to the point of proper function.
JustaGuyx91 Still though, most people with common sense would know that, and he kinda insults the viewers intelligence by making it appear otherwise. If you're researching a new super lite AR, and you had half a brain, as AWESOME as this BCM looks, this uppity turd from RECOIL kinda ruined the excitement by trying to give it the ol' AK-level-of-unbreakability test by smashing it all over the range
Oh, of course, it's a showpiece. He may be an uppity turd with his viewer-seducing foreign accent, but that's completely besides the point. There was no reason to wreck the rail. Like you said, "...half a brain..." It's a lightweight metal rail. OF COURSE it's going to get bent with that type of intentional abuse. A plastic hand guard would no doubt have broken off, leaving you with nothing to hold on the fore end but the mag well. So I think you just reiterated my initial point, that there was no reason to do that, other than to be a douche. Its a great weapon for just about any need, home defense, competition, or SHTF... completely reliable... UNTIL you smash it against a post for no reason whatsoever.
lol yea i just noticed that...was warped. the mlok handguard is sturdier for sure. I dont see many scenarios of this happening to a handguard...even dropping it. youd have to slam into rocks or run it over. A 6 ft drop on concrete wouldnt even do that lol
why bang the rail like that...and then not show it?? I have a BCM rifle but I passed on the KMR...glad I did
+DFWWARPIGS hey what's wrong with the KMR. I'm thinking about getting it for my first AR.
+Michael Wells ...This is just an opinion...I like the ALG Defense rails..they are a lot cheaper but a bit heavier and they come with the MLOK interface which I prefer....
+DFWWARPIGS I'm really looking at the Del-Ton Evolution rifle.
I am going to take a look at it
+DFWWARPIGS I saw the rifle with keymod handguard get run over by a truck, and still function. it was bent pretty bad but the gas tube did not get damaged, and it ran fine. not saying its the best, but it will do..
Bravo Company is the GLOCK of the AR world. lightweight, accurate, reliable at a decent price.
I love the way they set up this rifle so much that I had to watch the video again. This is just a beautiful rifle.
...I'm not too happy with the fact that they covered up the DESTROYED hand guard, but at the same time every damn hand guard I know of would do this. In a Larry Vickers DDM4 torture test they noted that after being run over, the DD hand guard was crushed and hugging the barrel. Oh yeah and we all know what the plastic hand guards would do...
I would say the main point is that the hand guard didn't shatter or burst into flames as some people were afraid of because it's got a partially magnesium alloy. hahaha.
4:57 obi wan covers the bent part of the handguard
4:51 shows that the KMR was dented significantly.
Waiting on the BCM .308....
Big6Duke no kidding!!...like when?!!!...
No shit. Hey guys what kind of red dot do you use? I don’t want to spend a fortune. Currently just using Daniel Defense fixed irons. Was considering the Bushnell at optics 1-6 as it’s designed specifically around 5.56.
I already love your company, but we want more American Gunfighter videos!
walperstyle Agreed....Big time
Isn't the vertical grip installed backwards? I thought the whole point of the angled vert grips was that it was angled backwards
Checkout this link to BCM's KAG that was in the video. It's a handstop grip that helps with C-Clamp grip styles.
www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCMGUNFIGHTER-KAG-KeyMod-Black-p/bcm-kag-km-blk.htm
It's up to user preference - whichever way you find more comfortable and accurate to shoot. You could install it at the 7:30 position if it felt better for you.
steveday72 in that case I’m putting it on top and using it as a site
GarrettRN yes💩
The Professional Ordnance Carbon 15 rifle was a really good attempt at a very lightweight, accurate, dependable rifle.
My 2001 model has a 16" fluted stainless barrel and bolt carrier, a steel full length top rail and very low iron sights. The carbon fiber handguard has slot cut outs for weight and cooling.
The only downside is do Not let it heat up too much. You'll catch the carbon fiber reciever on fire! But for a house gun it's hard to beat. Too bad they went under. Bushmaster bought them and used an aluminum upper receiver, but they just couldn't sell enough. The the AR craze hadn't really taken off yet.
She shoots 1" groups at 100 yards.
Can you buy a 14.5 upper without the pin and weld? Like if you want to have a gunsmith pin a surefire on?
Yes, I just bought one last week and plan on doing that myself, just order from their site. Also hello fellow Fishwick, where you from if you don't mind me asking.
Thanks for the breakdown mr. statham
Bravo, let's see that barrel bashing test again, I'm pretty sure he bent the crap out of the guard, no buggy, BUT he was hitting WAY to the right of target... Crappy sights or did the barrel bend?
Want a BCM 308
Tydirium this is the main reason why I’m scared to pull the trigger on another BCM recce!!!...please listen to us?!...hurry yuh ass and make a .308!!’...
Maybe this why bcm isnt making the original kmr anymore? The Magnesium/ aluminum alloy doesnt look too strong.
New full aluminum is stronger, and mlok is even more rigid than keymod
Ya I'm surprised they every put it out
No one was expecting the Handguard to not bend like that after being beaten, the job was just to make sure it ran fine and didn’t effect the operation of the rifle. It mess up the sight alignment but you can adjust aim for that.
Love my 5 BCM carbines. That being said, the ELWF barrel + KMR 13 handguard gets HOT very fast. It can quickly become uncomfortable even when wearing gloves. Moreover, we're coming up on a year and a half since the KMR stuff released and the Keymod rail covers are still vaporware. I know that Paul is dedicated to quality and won't release a product until it is right. That's why I'll continue to buy BCM rifles and no others. Still, I'm leaning toward going to standard barrels and M-LOK rails (the rail covers are actually available) on my BCM guns to deal with the heat issue.
ILruffian why no m-lok???
I got the magpul mlok covers on mine....not bad without gloves...no issue at all with gloves. Do it for sure
4:40 WTF the rail is DENTED!! LOL
Deciding between the 14.5 Recce Standard ELW-Fluted or the BFH 14.5 ELW sounds the same but one is fluted and the other is BFH or barrel, hammer & forged.
Love your rifles. When will the recce 16 be back in stock?
In regards to the rail being bent to shit, was it the aluminum version? If so, that would explain a lot.
nice dyson vacuum
Right on for Obiwan Kenobi for the demo 🤙
what suppressors will fit on that muzzle device?
+laxskateguy Gemtech Halo
Any that mount to the standard a2 FH. They won't work with the MOD 1 comps though, only the MOD 0.
I almost died when the host tmhit this beauty against the post
What do you guys think about using this as a fighting rifle? Or a shit hits the fan gun? I own one and I love it. Havnt noticed an issue really with heat, accuracy or poi shift much at all..Its sub inch at 50 and 1-3 inches at 100. Would anyone here trust this rifle with their life in a combat scenario?
Even with the rail bent, would the point of impact even be shifted? Since the Eotech is mounted on the upper receiver and not the rail lol. Just wondering why he'd shoot to "prove" it wasn't effected, rather than showing us the rail.
Carbine length gas system needs the La France Twin Tube Gas System in it to make it more reliable or you go to the Arms-Tech Gas Trap.
+tengu190 The twin tube doesnt make it more reliable, it just extends the service life
It makes it more reliable on suppressed full autos. More reliable means extended service life by not over gassing the sytem.
When are you guys making more? I've been waiting months.
Can you shoot the ELW suppressed?
i have bcm and love it so far. how many people would bang there rifle that hard against anything anyways. unless your military or law enforcement of some sort would be banging there rifle. good video in my opinion.
SigMan M11 you get caught doing that in the Marine corps you will get E.M.I. , or see U.C.M.J. charges and face the brig ! No 0311 Rifleman would ever abuse his rifle like that !
anyone know what combat shirt that is ?
First Spear: The Asset Combat Shirt
Is this illegal in NYCdoes it fall under a pistol
Elite Perfumes like said 14.5 barrel pinned & welded comp= 16.1 legal in most libtard states like m y state😩
Im really liking the 14.5 pinned & welded barrel over-all meets the minimum 16” length instead of the usual 16” + 1.5-2” comp/muzzle-break equaling 18+ inches😩😩😩
He is the biggest badass ever won season 1 topshot
can I attach a weapon light to the side?
Not knocking this but.... LWRC IC SPR all the way!
Oh you know it!👍
Meh
Wish this would've came out before I got the EAG. Love the rifle but no wanting the kmr set up.
Rail is bent. I still want it.
Yeah, it bent but the rifle still functioned. I think that was the point.
Holy fuck 1600 bucks? Is that with or with out the optics? Still not a bad price
Justin Spencer I think that's without optics. You can find it for a bit cheaper. That's MSRP. It's a lot of dough, but I run a home-built RECCE (built it just for funzies) with some of my own touches to it and I couldn't ask for a better jack of all trades.
TheMetalHeaD256 thanks for the heads up brotha. Definitely going to be my next investment. I also got my eye on a troy build
Justin Spencer with out optics, It was listed around 5:23 (price as featured) at 3,167.90. Still a pretty fair price considering the Eotech w/ 3x combination is around 1200 its self. www.eotechinc.com/holographic-weapon-sights/holographic-hybrid-sight-I-exps3-4-with-g33sts-magnifier
I got an EOTech 516 for a steal since they're discontinued, then bought the G33 separately. I look for deals cause I'm a cheapass but that's beside the point. The two in a combo are absolutely perfect for almost any application the gun can be used for. Turns a 0-200 yard gun into a 0-500 yard gun, considering humanoid targets. Especially with the BDC reticle like you linked to. And it still edges out at a little cheaper than the really high-end 1-6x scopes. and you can still use BUIS.
Oh yeah, that's a great combo. Pretty much any range realistically accessible by the rifle can be accomplished with it. I don't have the BDC variant myself, I actually just picked up the t-2 micro from larue Tactical. They had a good deal with a mount (www.laruetactical.com/aimpoint-micro-t-2). but it certainly looks to be an awesome edition to the Eotech line. Might make me reconsider the next time I'm in the market. They have another BDC variant with just 2 dots that covers 500 Yards (maybe meters) and in as well. 1200 is also on the high side (MSRP like you said). opticsplanet.com usually has good deals for the combo as well as other sites. I only linked directly to Eotech since they are the authoritative source to link too.
I own the KMR Alpha hand guard on 2 of my AR15's. Note to self.....Don't try to chop wood with your KMR alpha hand guard. I saw how bent up that shit got.
If u pause at 4:51 he destroyed the handguard its bent to shit but that was a nice try almost didn't see it
Here from Dan Bongino show.
You made a comment about adding additional kit, then you put everything including the kitchen sink.
who else is going to bang their hand guards against a pole? if so this isn't the rifle for you. but if you're a serious shooter who needs a reliable smooth shooting AR who values light weight tools then this is for you. I rather be able to comfortably walk a mile with my light weight rifle than hit poles with my heavy ass rifle. I appreciate this brand.
السلام عليكم بي سي ام السلاح المريكي او كندي
4:52 bent hand guard
exactly why I choose BCM
At least he wasn't half ass hittin that bad boy lol sweet gun I need a BCM
I'm sure I've met this chap before. Some where hot and sandy.
Bcm please stand up here and say something
Maybe Sir Ian should have left out that the hand guard and barrel heat up quickly. LOL
Random question here, does anyone know what background music is being used? Thanks in advance!
Darude Sandstorm
SoundHound could tell you
I tried both that and Shazam, no luck.
Dasand - Rudestorm
4:51 it’s clearly bent!
Look at this super light 5.7lb maneuverable carbine. To continue with the light weight & easy maneuverability theme since id be completely illogical to put an Aimpoint T2 or Comp-M5 on top of a Battle Arms Development lower 1/3rd that all in is under under 5.5-7oz with another 2.5-3oz for Magpul pros Buis totaling less than 10oz,...and 4-5oz for a surefire 500lumen mini scout & instead the only logical choice is this “ultra light weight”(Heavy Sarcasm) EoTech EXPS3-0&G33 Magnifier set with a mere combined weight of 22-24oz which defiantly does(NOT) exemplifies n maximize all the strengths this BCM 14.5” ELW has going for it..... 🙄
My primary defensive rifle I shoot more than anything else is a 16” BCM BFH-ELW with Fde bcm bcg, 15” Fde kmr-a keymod rail with factory complete Fde bcm lower which typically sports a Aimpoint Comp M5, FDE-Inforce WMLx Weapon light on Bcm offset mount, Fde Bcm keymod rail panel covers& Fde kag grip rounded off with Magpul pro irons and a blue force gear padded 2-point sling. To each their own, as I love the eotech reticle and overall they are a great company, with proven track record, yet since they have yet to addresses the significant drawbacks of its excessive weight& the very poor battery life...
Aimpoint has smaller FOV yet hadn’t offered any variation in a reflex style sight not offered a model with a circle dot, for quick target acquisition.
Enter the promising but yet to be proven Holosun’s HE512T-GR Elite, that would offer the same reticle. A minimum of 20k/50k hr +(With solar panel to extend the battery life, further) Offering a totally sealed body made of 7075 Aluminum impact resistant coating, that also ipx8 water proofed , which completely surrounds any of the potential areas debris could block the Fov the reticles projected on, with a green reticle that’s easier for he human eye to pick up, and while some may roll their eyes at a “premium” line from Holosun, IF this optic can develop a proven track record, while improving on the concept eotech pioneered, yet address almost all of the drawbacks, that make some like myself shy away from eotech when looking for an optic that can be left on, with an annual battery change and just know it’s gtg. While the weight may only be slightly lighter than the exps3-0 by itself, Until Aimpoint or Trijicon chooses to offer the best of both worlds but putting a circle/dot reticle in an Aimpoint micro/Mro sized package, to bring to market a variation with great battery life, track record, compact light weight, and the rugged durability both companies are known for, its safe to say, the next couple years as technology evolves and becomes more affordable that ever that it will be interesting to see if Aimpoint, Trijion& eotech will rise to the challenge n offer something that’s a stronger more durable option similar in concept to Holosun’s HS503GU-Gr Elite, or if daring to stray from the norm will pay off and allow Holosun premium line to compete with the Mro and 30mm Patrol model?
Not saying A sub 200$ holosun snd Aimpoint comp 5 are in same category durability n track record, only that they clearly are an innovative company that will force the big boys to take a second look at their product kind and the features they offer which hopefully will allow the consumer to have more options & features increasing durability and quality while the competition may reduce the price of quality red dots since a select few manufacturers don’t have a monopoly on the market any longer.
Did he ask why you would want to put "alot of garbage on a lightweight Kaar Byne"? Well, it's a friggin Recce rifle. So, yeah I'm mounting an IR/Laser and flashlght.
Great intro, great camera work and audio, great use of graphics...but hiding the totally smashed rail ...not cool. It’s a light rail dude. What did you expect?
Been saving for a while to buy a bcm since the rail is bent he should sell me that one for 75% off
bcm recce 14 kmr13 ELWF MK2 is used by military and law enforcment
AWESOME
That rail looks flimsy and i'm not sold on the idea of trimming meat from the barrel. Less meat = less durability and lifetime round count. I hate the fact that BCM puts their logo on everything in goofy bright white lettering. Its hard for me to get sold on their milspec battle rifle image when they sell a rifle marked up like a sponsor wall.
Bill Dyers Yes a medium profile fluted barrel is the way to go! Strong and doesn't heat up as fast or cool down as slowly as a heavy barrel
Having carried a rifle days at a time for years, I love it. I don't plan on mag dumping or getting into endless gunfights with it, so as a home defense shtf rifle it's perfect
As it is, I'd go with the obvious over any other, a Daniel Defense. But after seeing how that rail bent with light taps and for that price tag, nah, Daniel Defense again.
I have the Recce 14 as seen in this video, my wife has the Daniel Defense V11, I way prefer the BCM RECCE over the Daniel Defense, it feels so much nicer and fluid, a real awesome fighting rifle!
Sasmodog At the end of the day it's all about enjoying your own and becoming good and accurate with it. I respect your opinion sir. Happy shooting and May God Bless America!
Actually to be honest I like the way my BCM shoots and feels only slightly more than the DD V11, but the DD V11 has proven more reliable thus far, my BCM absolutely will not shoot steel cased ammo, the DD shoots it all day long, my BCM Will not seat a full 30 round mag at all with the bolt forward, if I lock the bolt back than put the FULL 30 round mag in and let the bolt ride home, pull trigger and fire I get a malfunction every time, so I have to put only 28 rounds in my mag to prevent malfunction, if I do that its rock solid, but it still should malfunction on a full mag and I've talked to BCM About it and they are playing dumb.
*shouldnt malfunction on a full mag
+Sasmodog I have the V11 PRO and inserting a fully loaded 30 round mag is no issue, and yes, it will eat anything you feed it. I hope that BCM steps up their game on customer service if thats the case and takes care of the issue so that you get your money's worth. I know DD would not hesitate to solve any issues their customers may encounter. DD treats customers like family as does S&W.... Good luck sir....
I love the bcm but I have to admit the Daniel defense beats them on durability.
Es usado por militares en combate
Not piston driven
So?
Omg I can’t use my bcm rail as a baseball bat and not bend it? What if I am in the middle of a fire fight and need to lay down a bunt. I’ll stick to palmetto.
You want a rail that don’t bend, get yourself a big ole HEAVY one. I’ll take the light one. You can always ge another one
Bcm is the best
I don’t think you’ll be calling that notch goofy when you slap a 203 on it
Drew Baglin exactly, because everyone can get a 203......for personal protection!
Ghostrider71 F-14 I’ve got one made by LMT
Here have an m4. but that's not what i wanted. *HERE HAVE AN M4*
pretty sure he bent the buffer tube as well. Won't be watching any more of these videos for honest information.
Demolishes Rail.... YeeHaw!
who cares if the rail gets dented most people change out the rail anyway. I would change it to a mlok rail.
C. Davis keymod is sooo 80’s 🤣🤣🤣
Well his test he put the rail through was not nearly as bad as a 250 lb man falling on his rifle on rocks....or ran over. To light= to weak. Great product for what it is but....its a target rail.
Rail was bent!!!!
*4. Keep the weapon on safe until you intend to fire.
WTF guy? Just going to leave that one out? Who TF was your range instructor!??!?
DAYUMMN GEAR AINT CHEAP NO
You crushed the handguard and failed to accurately describe or show this.
What a piece of shit rail. I'll sacrifice 5z for something that won't bent to shit like that!
Map Led Exactly...but apparently, as the tool from RECOIL says, doing that would be "just beyond me"...as if WE are the idiots for wanting a little more on the handguard. I am not a big fan of the look of barebones keymod, and would probably add a few ounces of rail and rail covers that block sun+overheat that I've been seeing on the market lately. Plus, the rails I'd invest in won't bend. Maybe he shouldn't run his mouth about how adding a minor couple ounces of sturdy to that handguard is just so "beyond him"
everyone complaining about the bent rail need to get a grip. Enough with the keyboard warriors and be realistic with yourselves if that's even possible... Are you going to put your rifle through that kind of abuse??? The average civilian wont, so...... I'm not a fan of key-mod whatsoever, but I can appreciate a good product. Their shit is top notch compared to manufacturers like LWRC & Warsport who charge 2 or even 3x for their products. BCM specifically said they're looking into ways on lightening up their weapon systems' without sacrificing quality. Their KMR rails were a result and are a blend of magnesium and aluminum alloys which is what help shed the weight along with all the lightening cuts of the key-mod slots. Then there's there lightweight and Enhanced Lightweight barrels. Are you going to complain they heat up to fast? Can't have those now too... Most of you asshats INCLUDING MYSELF won't even hit sustained cadences of fire long enough for the barrel to deviate on accuracy so you can shut the fuck up on that avenue as well... They make products that are entrusted by law enforcement and our armed forces and you're giving them shit for that? If you're so worried, they now offer their rails in 100% aluminum, so if you're so hell bent and butt hurt on your rails bending for "abuse" you'll never see, quit whining and go grab a KMR Alpha or their standard profile barrels...
+Steele Risse No, you need to get a grip. The point wasn't that the rail got dented to hell, most people would expect that of an extremely LW handguard and accept it as a tradeoff. The point was trying to hide it. "But... is it robust enough?" "Guess it is." Nope, sorry, off buying DD SLiM.
@@JustinianPrvni DD Slim will rail shift..
You have obviously never handled an lwrc before.
Keymod rail? no thanks
R L Who TF uses keymod anymore???
I love my bcm stuff but the British accent didn't work for you guys.
the front grip is backwards
That was alot of bullshit. Buy a rifle to use as a sledgehammer & a club. Is this what it takes to sell your product? Or is it that some people think that they're some type of commandos or operators on death missions after they get off work at 5pm. This type of promotion has arrived at the point of being absurd. The same can be said about getting everything so light. It's difficult to have a gun be featherweight and robust at the same time. Thank you all the same I'll take my rifle above 6 but below 7lbs.
That looks nothing like a combat weapon. It's merely a fad gun.
Steve
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Keymod and m lok is gay. Real combat M4s have a quad rail.
Steve
What a brute, that handguard was completely trashed beyond repair... probably damaged the barrel too... violence will not a prove thing.
Nah the barrel was fine. But ya the handguard was f'd. Was proly the magnesium version they had out at first, the aluminum ones are stronger though would proly get bent if whacked like that too
Ben Shapiro sent me............
Overpriced👎
IMO most people want a 16" barrel not a 14.5" pinned and most people want a medium profile barrel like your 14.5 Mid EMWF just in a 16"length, honestly no one wants a pencil barrel light weight or the Government profile for sure!