**NOTES & CORRECTIONS** - This was pointed out to me by lorespores on the discord (Zarozian and Jesse), but apparently in one of Piper's trust events, Enzo says that "soundwaves can protect against corruption." In light of this, I wonder if the Exaltist order would throw people into hollows as sacrifices for the greater good in order to make the hollows bigger so they could live inside them by leveraging some kind of frequency or song to prevent corruption. That'd be wild.
Oh yeah they also discovered that listening to music while fighting in the hollows slows the rate of ether corruption which was accidentally discovered by some guy who wanted to jam out while fighting in the hollow. Music is the first magic of the world after all! ;>
A little insight into the 'why' of the EN use of the term Overseer! "Overseer" is one of the three historically accepted translations, alongside "elder" and "bishop", for the Greek word "episkopos"; which is used in the New Testament to describe the senior-most office of the first century Church, just under the Apostles themselves. Which of the translations is preferred depends on denomination, but all three of these terms are interchangeable within the context of Christian church government. So the EN use of "Overseer" isn't out of place, given the CN use of the word "Bishop", and it's my opinion that it was likely chosen due to it being the most 'generic' of the three options so as to not evoke the more formalized and constrained imagery that "Bishop" carries.
A lot of stuff about agents is music-oriented. Examples: Jane's story is called "Undercover R&B." You can "audition" each new agent before you pull for them. The format of the "agent record" marketing promo is an album cover.
Considering how long Hollows seem to have existed, it's no surprise to me that a faction that idolizes them would eventually emerge. Humans tend to fear and/or idolize what they see as a higher power, be it a natural disaster, a wild beast, or even other humans.
This makes me remember the achivement "midnight whisper" where you need to answer the payphone in the 6th street in the midnight. "The voice on other end of line sounds muffled and distorted, sounds like an old lady from centuries ago" Theres multiple dialogue from this interaction, and some of em are creepy, but its all from the same recipient who is searchig for someone names Hughes. Does this also proves that message can be send from inside to outside the hollow but itll end up at different time and place?
Okay Sensory Sync is a new one for me....and given how the Sacrifice was able to possess and control and even fuse together technology. I wonder if it can also be controlled the same way.
There are definitely multiple examples of time dilation throughout the main story and was wondering why they kept implying something going on there but never addressing it. Communications were received out of order more than once.
The points made about the W engines really blew my mind 😳 so the agents are just vibing to music while fighting?! That’s such attention to detail my the devs
The main reason why they used overseer and not bishop is that they are both interchangeable, they mean the exact same thing an overseer is just another name for a bishop
Fascinating speculation and meticulously argued. Easy sub. I particularly like how your speculation neatly connects the origin of Fairy and the mysterious people/entities behind Fairy with the overarching "Who Killed Eridu?" mystery. Fairy's lore video reads as a writerly red herring to me: superficially sinister as a misdirection, because later we will find out that, SURPRISE, these are really "the good guys."
7:10 The English translation is based off the Japanese translation so some details that would work straight from CN to EN get lost in the CN to JP step
I didn't know that. That explains a lot, like how Lucy's JP dialogue is more consistent with her character than her EN dialogue. The EN localization for Lucy is a confusing mess. I'm not talking about VA performance, I'm talking about word choice. Is there someplace where I can learn more about ZZZ's localization process?
Dear ashikai, you are my fav youtuber and zzz is my fav (not really, but I like it) game. Thanks for the video! May the gods and goddess of theory enlighten your way and may thy little toe stumble in the right ancient myths references :prayge
Exaltist Order, Abyss Order, it's almost as if it's trying to tell us all cults and religions are there to just misguide humans and subvert humanity! ;>
The only thing that gets me more hype than your genshin lore videos is your zzz lore videos. This universe is so interesting and brings up so many questions as I play through the game. Can’t wait for the next one!
Part of the reason they chose the word 'Overseer' could have come from a parallel with Schicksal, which is a an organization from Honkai Impact, which prominently features christian symbolism, and is led by an 'overseer'.
I’m genuinely so glad 🥲 and thankful for another Zenless theory! You are seriously the most thorough researcher and the most creative theorist in the gacha space 😭 It reminds me of good ol’ matpat (before retirement) The way you present the details in each video is so fun, the world of Zenless is phenomenal and i’m genuinely so happy to see theories and lore vids for it!
I'll go a step further and speculate that Carole Arna is still alive, although in a story with time travel, dead/alive isn't as binary a state as we presume anyway. Your speculation goes a long way towards building the case for her innocence. It would be a waste, from the perspective of good dramatic writing, for that exoneration to be posthumous. Besides, ZZZ has gone for the easy happy ending in every story arc so far, so it's likely that (the reports of her death were greatly exaggerated) Carole Arna will be exonerated, rather than pull a "Darth Vader is your father" kind of reversal of the sibling's hopes and dreams. Even the dramatic tension created by Miyabi's declaration of vengeance against "all those responsible" (presumably, including the world's #1 Most Wanted, Carole Arna) is neatly resolved by identifying the real culprits as The Order and Carole Arna as the framed patsy. This also brings the story full circle, with Miyabi reprising her ancestor's role as the hero who saves us from The (new) Order's final boss.
The Order must be the Abyss Order. Also, I'm not sure that Hollows create literal time dilation. I think instead it's a matter of decryption lag, that Hollows scramble data, so any transmission out of a Hollow is junk, so it needs to be "decrypted" into a usable form. I think that generally this takes a lot of time, which would make it useless for real-time navigation.
Isnt the moon in zzz being covered by hollow too? So is it absorbing sentient matter there too? or maybe hollows are connected somehow and you can end up in the moon on a fissure?
Originally I thought that the Sacrifice was a bio/eather weapon created for a project that went wrong and somehow Khors got a tip or knew something that made him go try to stop it but coming too late and disappearing in the hollow possibly dead but I suppose a cult could have been created around the Hollows very easily
It's kind of interesting how, as you went on, all I could think of was Dark Souls and its relationship to light and time. But rather than seeing the past or future it's possible to travel through time since light IS time. I wonder if since Hollow Zero is so old and large that it could be possible to navigate through it to time travel...
It wouldn’t surprise me if the “Overseer ending up as Bishop” thing is because of HI3 - in HI3, the title used for the leader of Schicksal, the main organisation, is ‘Bishop’ in Chinese/Japanese dubbing, but translated to ‘Overseer’ in the English Sub. The reason for the Bishop name there is because Schicksal originally started out as an explicitly Christian organisation, by the way. Hoyoverse games do seem to all be connected after all.
Don't feel too bad. If you think about it too much, you'll realize that there is no place for the wengine itself to go, if the wengine is big enough to hold CD sized discs. Even if they use micro discs only a couple of cm wide, the wengine is still too big to fit into, for example, Jane's weapon.
@@papacharlie-niner148 nah, it actually makes sense. Those are drive discs, not like cd or vinyl, I just feel dumdum. I would love for them to show the agents holding the w-engine in a cutscene ngl, otherwise I'm not thinking too much of the deets
Agreed. Which is probably why Western localizers chose to downplay the religious aspect. They probably thought associating religion with evil was too much of a geopolitical minefield. More's the pity. I'd have more respect for the audience to have some perspective on cultural differences like this.
This answer my curious about w engine! I keep thinking what is w engine exactly and why the artefact looks like a cd lol turn out its a mp3 player that you can insert into the weapon XD Also i didnt realize that song/music is important in this game, and they foreshadow it with anby from the beginning! Thats why she keep mumbling song in the hollow :o Thank you and pls keep covering zzz lore! Youre the only lore cc that i know to cover zzz lore 🥹
**NOTES & CORRECTIONS**
- This was pointed out to me by lorespores on the discord (Zarozian and Jesse), but apparently in one of Piper's trust events, Enzo says that "soundwaves can protect against corruption."
In light of this, I wonder if the Exaltist order would throw people into hollows as sacrifices for the greater good in order to make the hollows bigger so they could live inside them by leveraging some kind of frequency or song to prevent corruption. That'd be wild.
Consider this my official petition to call the Pre-Eridu civilization "Eridon't".
I also vote for this
+1.
Signed
Alternatively, Eridid
You have my vote!
Oh yeah they also discovered that listening to music while fighting in the hollows slows the rate of ether corruption which was accidentally discovered by some guy who wanted to jam out while fighting in the hollow. Music is the first magic of the world after all! ;>
he might have invented it, but anby is the blueprint o777
@@roulette_shark Inner Dialogue? NAY! INNER MUSIC! YEEE!!!
A little insight into the 'why' of the EN use of the term Overseer!
"Overseer" is one of the three historically accepted translations, alongside "elder" and "bishop", for the Greek word "episkopos"; which is used in the New Testament to describe the senior-most office of the first century Church, just under the Apostles themselves. Which of the translations is preferred depends on denomination, but all three of these terms are interchangeable within the context of Christian church government.
So the EN use of "Overseer" isn't out of place, given the CN use of the word "Bishop", and it's my opinion that it was likely chosen due to it being the most 'generic' of the three options so as to not evoke the more formalized and constrained imagery that "Bishop" carries.
deep lore moment
The hollows feels like the abyss that managed to consume the majority of the planet.
Yeaaa the abyss that succeeded.
This just made me realize why zzz makes music videos for characters compared to there other games
A lot of stuff about agents is music-oriented. Examples: Jane's story is called "Undercover R&B." You can "audition" each new agent before you pull for them. The format of the "agent record" marketing promo is an album cover.
Considering how long Hollows seem to have existed, it's no surprise to me that a faction that idolizes them would eventually emerge.
Humans tend to fear and/or idolize what they see as a higher power, be it a natural disaster, a wild beast, or even other humans.
Wow when you said idolize, it just remind me that we have idol group in this game :o and their name...
This makes me remember the achivement "midnight whisper" where you need to answer the payphone in the 6th street in the midnight.
"The voice on other end of line sounds muffled and distorted, sounds like an old lady from centuries ago"
Theres multiple dialogue from this interaction, and some of em are creepy, but its all from the same recipient who is searchig for someone names Hughes.
Does this also proves that message can be send from inside to outside the hollow but itll end up at different time and place?
Yippee ZZZ vid , we are saved boys
Okay Sensory Sync is a new one for me....and given how the Sacrifice was able to possess and control and even fuse together technology. I wonder if it can also be controlled the same way.
There are definitely multiple examples of time dilation throughout the main story and was wondering why they kept implying something going on there but never addressing it. Communications were received out of order more than once.
The points made about the W engines really blew my mind 😳 so the agents are just vibing to music while fighting?! That’s such attention to detail my the devs
The main reason why they used overseer and not bishop is that they are both interchangeable, they mean the exact same thing an overseer is just another name for a bishop
Apparently, the old civilization colonized the Moon and that's why there's a Hollow there too
everything is starting to seem so much more interesting. cant wait to see where it goesss
Fascinating speculation and meticulously argued. Easy sub. I particularly like how your speculation neatly connects the origin of Fairy and the mysterious people/entities behind Fairy with the overarching "Who Killed Eridu?" mystery. Fairy's lore video reads as a writerly red herring to me: superficially sinister as a misdirection, because later we will find out that, SURPRISE, these are really "the good guys."
7:10 The English translation is based off the Japanese translation so some details that would work straight from CN to EN get lost in the CN to JP step
I didn't know that. That explains a lot, like how Lucy's JP dialogue is more consistent with her character than her EN dialogue. The EN localization for Lucy is a confusing mess. I'm not talking about VA performance, I'm talking about word choice. Is there someplace where I can learn more about ZZZ's localization process?
This was super cool! I stopped playing zzz awhile ago but this make me really want to play again
Dear ashikai, you are my fav youtuber and zzz is my fav (not really, but I like it) game. Thanks for the video! May the gods and goddess of theory enlighten your way and may thy little toe stumble in the right ancient myths references :prayge
Exaltist Order, Abyss Order, it's almost as if it's trying to tell us all cults and religions are there to just misguide humans and subvert humanity! ;>
Heck yea! Another ZZZ video!!!
I am going to watch this video while stuffing my face with two gallons of buttered popcorn with cinnamon sugar. Praise be peak crack cinema
The only thing that gets me more hype than your genshin lore videos is your zzz lore videos. This universe is so interesting and brings up so many questions as I play through the game. Can’t wait for the next one!
Regarding translating bishop as overseer, in Honkai Impact Otto Apocalypse is called both Overseer and the Bishop of Schiksal.
Man your videos are amazing, you are pretty much nailing everything here.
shortest Ashikai video ever and it's still enough to break my brain
Part of the reason they chose the word 'Overseer' could have come from a parallel with Schicksal, which is a an organization from Honkai Impact, which prominently features christian symbolism, and is led by an 'overseer'.
ohhhh my gosh this puts a LOT of stuff i was confused on in perspective. the lore in this game is so cool
I’m genuinely so glad 🥲 and thankful for another Zenless theory!
You are seriously the most thorough researcher and the most creative theorist in the gacha space 😭 It reminds me of good ol’ matpat (before retirement)
The way you present the details in each video is so fun, the world of Zenless is phenomenal and i’m genuinely so happy to see theories and lore vids for it!
Can I just say something?... I'm so glad you are covering ZZZ's lore... I thinks its also really good
That was a really good video Ashikai, I'm really surprised by the amount of lore that was hiding in the game.
I'll go a step further and speculate that Carole Arna is still alive, although in a story with time travel, dead/alive isn't as binary a state as we presume anyway. Your speculation goes a long way towards building the case for her innocence. It would be a waste, from the perspective of good dramatic writing, for that exoneration to be posthumous. Besides, ZZZ has gone for the easy happy ending in every story arc so far, so it's likely that (the reports of her death were greatly exaggerated) Carole Arna will be exonerated, rather than pull a "Darth Vader is your father" kind of reversal of the sibling's hopes and dreams. Even the dramatic tension created by Miyabi's declaration of vengeance against "all those responsible" (presumably, including the world's #1 Most Wanted, Carole Arna) is neatly resolved by identifying the real culprits as The Order and Carole Arna as the framed patsy. This also brings the story full circle, with Miyabi reprising her ancestor's role as the hero who saves us from The (new) Order's final boss.
MORE ZZZ LOOOORE! THANK YOU ASHIKAI!!!
The Order must be the Abyss Order.
Also, I'm not sure that Hollows create literal time dilation. I think instead it's a matter of decryption lag, that Hollows scramble data, so any transmission out of a Hollow is junk, so it needs to be "decrypted" into a usable form. I think that generally this takes a lot of time, which would make it useless for real-time navigation.
Awesome more ZZZ!
I know that ZZZ lore video is not really popular, but i really love all your lore video ❤
Oohh I love these kinda hidden lore discussion videos,please cover them more,if you dont mind👍
WOOOO ZZZ Lore Vid! Thanks for the good food, Ashikai!
Damn, i suspected The Order to be maim cause of the Hollow Zero eruption but i never would have thought it went this *_deep_*
Isnt the moon in zzz being covered by hollow too? So is it absorbing sentient matter there too? or maybe hollows are connected somehow and you can end up in the moon on a fissure?
Could be that in the old civilization, they had a settlement out on the moon of some sort
LETS GO MORE ASHIKAI ZZZ
I really hope they dive deeper into the lore in the upcoming updates. As much as I like the casual story, the hollows are by far more interesting.
Originally I thought that the Sacrifice was a bio/eather weapon created for a project that went wrong and somehow Khors got a tip or knew something that made him go try to stop it but coming too late and disappearing in the hollow possibly dead but I suppose a cult could have been created around the Hollows very easily
this is such a great video
The Prophecy mentioned. RAAHHHHH!
It's kind of interesting how, as you went on, all I could think of was Dark Souls and its relationship to light and time. But rather than seeing the past or future it's possible to travel through time since light IS time. I wonder if since Hollow Zero is so old and large that it could be possible to navigate through it to time travel...
Thanks to all the "data" stored there.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the “Overseer ending up as Bishop” thing is because of HI3 - in HI3, the title used for the leader of Schicksal, the main organisation, is ‘Bishop’ in Chinese/Japanese dubbing, but translated to ‘Overseer’ in the English Sub. The reason for the Bishop name there is because Schicksal originally started out as an explicitly Christian organisation, by the way. Hoyoverse games do seem to all be connected after all.
WAIT A MINUTE... so the discs go into the w-engine?? like the w-engine plays them??? like HOLD ON, how did I miss lmao
Don't feel too bad. If you think about it too much, you'll realize that there is no place for the wengine itself to go, if the wengine is big enough to hold CD sized discs. Even if they use micro discs only a couple of cm wide, the wengine is still too big to fit into, for example, Jane's weapon.
@@papacharlie-niner148 nah, it actually makes sense. Those are drive discs, not like cd or vinyl, I just feel dumdum. I would love for them to show the agents holding the w-engine in a cutscene ngl, otherwise I'm not thinking too much of the deets
I dont even play ZZZ anymore but I still watched it cuz I love Ashikai 😭
ZZZ CONTENT LETS GOOOO
Yeeei❤ thank you Ashikai
This video is actually so good, Lol
More ZZZ let’s gooo
Nice connections. Stories in games likes bible references
Sounds??, Songs?? that very much correlates with Waveform.. ZZZ is Wuwa now lol.
Oh no. Saying this might trigger both sides lmao.
Thank u ashikai
chinese game/literatures and evil religion always go hand in hand
Agreed. Which is probably why Western localizers chose to downplay the religious aspect. They probably thought associating religion with evil was too much of a geopolitical minefield. More's the pity. I'd have more respect for the audience to have some perspective on cultural differences like this.
hello gang
YES YES YES ZZZ LORE LETS GOOO!!
First... I alone am the honored one
No you ain't 😂
Yasss love zzz lore
thx for the vid i enjoed it
1:33 But… the HDD is listed as Carole’s accomplishment?
ZZZ!!!!!
Nooooo Ashikai I have to go to beeeeeed
ZZZ YIPPEE
Ooooooo late posting
Yippee!
Nice
peak
ZZZ Otto is dead?
OH SHIT
This answer my curious about w engine! I keep thinking what is w engine exactly and why the artefact looks like a cd lol turn out its a mp3 player that you can insert into the weapon XD
Also i didnt realize that song/music is important in this game, and they foreshadow it with anby from the beginning! Thats why she keep mumbling song in the hollow :o
Thank you and pls keep covering zzz lore! Youre the only lore cc that i know to cover zzz lore 🥹