Putting In the Shipmate & A Visit To MIT - Episode 208 - Acorn to Arabella: Journey of a Wooden Boat
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It's time to make a home for the woodstove, which will get a similar heat-resistant surround as did the Dickinson Newport diesel cabin heater. Tiled surfaces will be both insulating and radiating when it comes to the heat. Steve goes into detail about how the stove works, and about the size and shape that it can handle for solid fuel. The answer there is very small, very portable, very manageable, very efficient. It burns coal, too!
We went to MIT! Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor Danny Braunstein, who runs the Pappalardo Laboratories there, has been planning for about two years now to cast cleats from molds taken from one of Victoria's bronze cleats. We do need some extra cleats to make lines off to, as Victoria's cutter rig required one less mast's-worth of string, so to speak. We take you with us to this special place, where students learn about materials and how to work with them. The students did a wonderful job with their very first castings.
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You may want to adopt a prewar dodge to avoid the dirt and dust produced from handling coal. Pre prepare small packets of coal in strong paper bags and store the bags in the cabin coal locker. This is tip from the the notable Maurice Griffith, whose boating was mainly in thin water but whose books are a treasure trove of tips for practical boating in traditional wooden boats. I would recommend ‘The Magic of the Swatchways’. Maurice Griffith felt that a real fire not only bring warmth but vital comfort to a sail boat cabin. Happy sailing.
Completely agree on thinking through the dirt and dust associated with your coal supply storage and management - both physical containers and protocols. Coal dust is fine and as persistent as glitter. The pre-prepared paper bags (assume sized so that 3 would fill an empty firebox so you can 'top off' to sustain your heat) is a great idea, but some form of durable, cleanable and replaceable system to hold the prepared bags would be recommended. Without thinking through it, the entire area around the coal storage will turn black over time. Consider fitting something like a "bread box" or 50-cal ammunition box in the cabinet.
Really cool to see MIT is not only about theory, but also supporting hands-on making and engineering
This episode really hit my heart hard. Seeing that even our most advanced universities still teach things like this makes me so happy. What's even better is what is probably the most prestigious technical university in the country had a teacher who wanted to also support this project.
Hear hear, Daniel. We felt the same way while we were there and we’re so glad we could take you along.
Takes me back to the early 70's high school when I did metalwork and we made items out of cast iron. In our last two years of High School we went to the local Technical Collage to a General Engineering Course where we did Technical Drawing, Machine Shop Fabrication, Sheet Metal Fabrication, all different forms of welding and made ourselves so many tools for our future. I still have most of what I fabricated and made from those days. It was such a great experience and we were the Guinea Pigs as they hadn't done a school - college linked course like that before.
Thanks for sharing your story, Alan!
MIT also maintains one of the largest wooden boat building plan libraries! How cool is it that the A2A community includes not only places like Newport, Bristol, Mystic and Maine, but the manufacturing Royalty of MIT! Awesome video..........as usual!! DD
Long have I wondered, how often Steve looks at a pattern and a finished product, and thought, “You fit the last time… why don’t you fit now?”
Great job! I wish I was still physically able to help, it would be a grand adventure!
I would never have thought MIT would be teaching people a process that is over two hundred years old. I always thought of MIT as cutting edge new technology.
But everything we use and design is based on everything that came before. Understanding the limitations, eccentricities, and capabilities of materials is key to design and engineering.
The casting project was cool. It was also nice to get at least a quick shot of Anne brightening up this installment.
Awww shucks! -Annie B
What a blessing just to be able to go to MIT let alone having a professor work with to get parts made! Now you can honestly say that Arabella was helped in the construction by MIT! I don’t think any other RUclips boat can say that! In my eyes MIT is one of the worlds most prestigious engineering schools!
They certainly are and we are very thankful.
The shot with that collie was absolutely beautiful!
The music cue at around 19.50 was amazing. I've said it before: how lucky you are to have Ben creating such fantastic music for the channel.
We are so very lucky.
This was a great episode! It's fantastic that you got a little help from MIT students with the bronze cleats. That was fascinating to watch.
EDIT:
At the start of this video, you talk about the need for skilled volunteers. You named a few disciplines: electrical, fiberglass, and a few others. Then the trip to MIT where we saw the bronze casters...
So, many people with so many specialized skills are needed to build this boat. Imagine if we had a civilization ending event, a meteor strike that wipes out civilization, and throws us back into the stone age. So many people with their special skills would be lost. All of that would have to be relearned, rediscovered. We'd have to start all over again, and regain those many skills before another Acorn To Arabella could be built again.
So glad you enjoyed it.
Fantastic, MIT got involved, Teaching, students. Professor Danny Braunstein, you are awesome.
Danny’s enthusiasm is infectious.
That's hallowed ground there... a peek into wonderland. Thanks a lot for this one.
I've been a faculty member at MIT 36 years and have followed the Arabella project since near it's beginning. I'm also novice woodworker and boat builder. Making is a big deal here and I am surprised at some of the comments. Besides the foundry and forge, there is the MIT Hobby Shop which has been around since the early part of the last century. Also, the MIT Glass Lab. All of these are some of the most popular student activities. Of course, we have countless machine shops and prototyping facilities across campus.
We had no idea! We’re so glad to bring people inside the spaces there, Michael! -Anne
My cousin went to MIT in the 80’s and is an engineer of surgical instruments that wouldn’t have happened without the hands on machining
Hi Micheal! So glad to see you participating in the A2A project. This episode made me very happy - that MIT was involved too. Kudos to Danny Braunstein. I haven't met him, but maybe the next time I'm in town.
@@AcornToArabella thanks for the great content
I’m surprised as well???? I’ve attended a few universities and each one had cool things that they provide to students and community. I’ve visited MIT and have checked out a few things on campus…. I love the university culture and visit different universities around the world when we take trips, I would suggest that people see what is available at there local university, you might be surprised
Didn't know you could learn blacksmithing and metal casting at MIT. Brilliant.
Great to see you visit the Pappalardo Materials lab. Neil Pappalardo in the founder of the company I have worked at for 34 years. What a great place.
I went to MIT (a long time ago '77-'81) and enjoyed seeing the campus and the Charles River. Many nice weekends spent sailing there during the summertime.
What a spot to sail!
Today's vid was especially engaging for me. Loved the visit to MIT campus and who knew they had a sailing club with dinghies available to students? And a class? How cool!! Progress on Arabella is amazing and this week's work just a peek at some of the forethought, planning, and execution of the many, many tasks that will add up to such a unique accomplishment: Arabella!
Cheers! Happy Friday!
Could'nt say it better.
Never mind sailing. You should see the rowing crew launch.
Doesn’t surprise me, University of Calgary has camping and rock climbing gear available… all depends on what’s in the area.
The first Tech Dinghies, wooden lapstrake of course, were built by Herreshoff Mfg Co based on Prof. George Owens II design. I think they were delivered in late 1935 and were intended for student use, and later inter-collegiate racing. Owens was a Professor in the Naval Architecture and Marine Engineering Dept, which later became the Ocean Engineering Dept (a.k.a. Course 13),. It now lives on as the Center for Ocean Engineering under the Mechanical Engineering Dept (Course 2).
Dr. Braunstein is a good name for somebody in charge of the bronze lab.
IT IS! Hahaha
Your making progress on the boat. What a surprise that MIT would offer to make bronze cleats so the students could pour bronze. That is a definite win win.
great to see moulding still being taught ,i was a sand moulder for over 35years so seen it, done it. got the burn marks lol, sadly it's a dying art in scotland ,
I’d suggest researching how much clearance is required around and under the stove to combustible materials. You may decide you need to increase the gap under the stove, which could also help get air moving and keep the boat warmer.
You need a bigger gap under the stove!!! I would not go with less then 4" but preferably even more.
Happy last Friday 🎉
Ah, the TIM boats! On nice summer days the Charles river basin will be filled with people sailing, kayaking, canoeing, etc.
Absolutely stunning. I’ve seen foundry work before, but to see young people’s first exposure in such a well equipped learning environment ... wow.
It’s really something!
I would make a tin bin insert that would fit below the stove and through the door. That way any coal, wood, charcoal mess is contained in the metal bin.
The idea below of making up pre-made packets in brown paper of coal sized just right to add to the stove to help prevent the mess to start with is a great idea as well.
I'm always impressed by the splendid craftsmanship.
Thank you! Very kind.
Great Video. Like many others I have followed you almost from beginning. As a retired teacher of Design and Technology in Southwest UK it was great to see the students getting into casting, exactly as I used to teach it. The only difference was that we used Aluminium or as you say Aluminum. What an opportunity for the MIT students to get involved with your project. Keep up the good work.
I always get a smile when you re-use Victoria parts and boards. Arabella is a boat with lot of character and stories, your video is a special treat, thank you.
I think Ben and Ann summed up the MIT segment with the shot at 29:51 Thanks to everyone for the amazing series
Sweet. Coming along nicely!
Awesome content as always, hope all you guys and gal's are doing well. Can't wait until next week!
At my old stomping grounds. Heart warming! Especially the Sailing Pavilion. Thx for sharing that.
such a treat to watch this project progress. kudos!
that's just so cool!! amazing experience
Good morning Steve, Anne, KP and Ben! Happiest of Fridays!
Hey hey happy Friday, William!
I would never have thought MIT had a foundry class. They are much better known for their engineering & computer programming classes than traids.
The ancient Greeks didn't separate art from technology as much as we do today. MIT has continued this tradition by having suprememe tech and simple crafts available for the world to advance
@@williamthomas2278 Also having manufacturing capabilities for engineering students is fantastic, few schools have it except for a couple of 3d printers. I'm also a great believer in understanding the practical applications and procedures of your abstract work so for those reasons it's great to have something like this... metallurgy is today a hugely advanced field and perhaps that's something you can study at MIT.
It’s possible that this is a manufacturing class for Mechanical Engineering students.
@@volundrfrey896 as my English teacher once told me " brevity Bill"
Isaac has it!
Two words spring to mind. Coal tongs 👍. I think you will use the stove more than you think. A slow steady burn just ticking over will keep the damp air at bay. Plus jacket potatoes that have been in all day add a knob of butter & as the evening draws in Grab a fork. sit in the cockpit as the sky darkens look towards the bow then up at the rigging & enjoy with a little smile that you truly earned 😁👍.
Love that visual, Paul. Can’t wait for the potatoes. 😁
Amazing all the diverse things that you get up to, who would have thought of MIT and bronze casting?? Brilliant!
Dear Anne and Steve,
First of all we wish you a happy Friday 😀.
It looks so nice how you positioned the old fashion stove in Arabella plus it was for us good to see that Katie is a wonderful help for Steve. Your tour to MIT was for in special for Dick very interesting to watch. As always we wish you all lots of happiness plus we send you ❤️ from the Netherlands.
Best regards,
Willeke and Dick de Graaff
It's Acorn to Arabella Day! :)
Nice coffee mug, BTW! I am on vacation, and thus have only tea.
Also, please remember the Battle of Tsushima- coal dust gets everywhere and it will make a steel ship flammable, so make sure to keep after it.
A super interesting episode! The stove tiling looks really good, I love the idea of large "insert sack" and small "take some fuel" doors. And the stuff at MIT was mesmerizing to watch.
A couple points about the stove - I inherited a house that had an anthracite burning central heating system, and I soon began to think my great uncle's health failed exactly because of handling the anthracite. Anthracite dust is really horrible stuff. So be careful with that. (Also, obviously, burning coal isn't a good thing for the climate - but other realistic heating options for a boat are all fossil fuels anyway, so I don't know if that makes a real difference.)
I love watching the progress :D I got busy with everything and am a year and a half behind schedule on videos, but that just means I can use a rainy day to binge watch them :-P
Super cool!!! Love it 😍
Freaking amazing!
Love the casting. What an opportunity from a prestigious university!
Touché A&A
Stephen,
Get your S/Steel tank man to fold you an ash tray for the Shipmate. It’ll save you a lot of hassle if he adds a handle front and back, so that you can carry it, and it fits either way in!
I've been keeping warm for over five years now with my pot-belly stove, burning smokeless coal ovals, starting with kindling of course. My stove is also fore and aft and heats my 20 cubic metres of cabin just fine. I can also burn wood (loglets I call them, as the little door will only accept 3" diameter and 4" long fuel) but with wood, chimney sweeping is much more frequent! I wouldn't swap my little stove for any fancy new device, because I can find wood out in the fields and coal is easy to store. Enjoy your little oven - what a treat 🙂.
“Loglets” LOVE IT!
you need to check out the Hart Nautical Galleries next time you are on campus.
Happy Friday, Crew! Wish I could intern in the summer on Arabella, if it weren't for work and that pesky giant ocean seperating us.
Oceans, man. Giant and mostly in the way!
Steve, It's great to see the way you safely use the table saw. Remember, even experienced, well; anyone can become complacent. My dad cut three fingers off his right hand SO fast, he didn't realize that was what was flying over his shoulder. Thanks to modern medicine, they were surgically reattached, but 15 years later, his hand is barely at 50% original usage. Stay safe!!!
Holy cannoli! Thanks for this message of safety and care.
You went to the fricking MIT! That really would have been an idea that could only be a joke at the time you felled the first tree on your property … What can a YT-channel with engaging content and well-made videos NOT achieve?!!
This is all thanks to your dedication to the channel as much as to the boat from the very beginning! You, Steve, and Alix layed the foundation for this years ago.
I can’t wait to see what you do with the channel once you are sailing! I hope you get many ore opportunities like this - and perhaps more people can learn things from whatever comes to Arabella in the future.
I think small paper bags holding a handful of coal or charcoal is a great idea. The fuel storage space could be composed of a removable fiberglass bin (for cleaning purposes). The bin could be tip-out like the bins used for flour long ago.
That stove is really cool.
How good, great work team, arabella looks awesome and is coming along really well.
Thanks! Happy Friday!
Learned more about bronze casting! Thanks for a great video and continued blessings for your successful "journey to launch"! Many thanks for this, previous and upcoming videos!
Thank you, Randy!
Excellent stuff bro
Nice audio folks. Good to see you sharing your project with young people. Thanks again.
Long ago, growing up outside of Boston, I was friends with a kid who's dad was a materials science professor at MIT. He was an extremely intelligent and eccentric guy who's specialty outside of work was restoring old clocks. He had probably a hundred of the things all around their whacky, rambling, turn of the 20th century Victorian house. I avoided spending the night there because every hour you were rudely awakened by a massive clattering of noise from all the damn clocks. But everyone who lived there slept like logs.
Thanks for sharing that memory!
Great progress, thanks guys
Thanks, Tom! Happy Friday.
This was by far the best in the last month or so. Fantastic.
Wow, thanks, Andy!
This is such a respectful plea. Good luck!
It is so wonderful that you have MIT doing bronze casting for you!!! I can not say strongly enough how tremendous an opportunity it is to have experienced craftsman and such a well outfitted facility to custom make bronze items for Arrebella. My offer still stands to cast fittings for the project but if MIT is available, I couldn't do any better than that.
Beautiful stove install! I burned coal for a while but switched back to wood because it is cleaner and smells so much better. If you can get hardwood for your stove, you might want to burn it first and keep the coal for backup.
My only suggestion is to modify the end of the settee so that the board in front of the stove could be folded out of the way to make access to the front of the stove more convenient.
Super cool episode!
Cheers from Alaska
WOW! A great episode. I sure hope your coal burning stove on a wooden boat never becomes an oxymoron. Interesting and well thought out. THEN a trip to MIT. I had no idea they had courses in this area of expertise. I learned a lot on this episode. Thank you
Man I was just having a real "Tool Time" with Tim "The Tool Man" Taylor moment seeing all those shop tools hahaha . ("uhh uhh uhh uhh the new Bickford Rockwell 6"Jointer") 😆
Whats nice to see is the older methods and technologies being taught right along side the modern methods. Got to know where you came from to see how you got where you are now, and see where you're going.
Spectacular video.
Thanks!
What an honour... for MIT!
Aw shucks.
Be careful using coal. We heated with a similar style stove for many years, and on more than one occasion the fire got out of control. At those times the stove actually glowed cherry red around the firebox. The clearances you have will not be enough to keep the wood behind the stainless from igniting. The most dangerous time is when you are burning wood and coal together.
Also, be sure to keep your ash box emptied. A full ash box will hold the heat and warp the grate.
Yet another Friday morning with coffee and A2A: life is good. Thanks, crew.
Live IS good. Thank you, Bill! Happy Friday. #a2acoffeeclub
Sooo cool!
I have been watching this enterprise since the beginning. I have talked my daughter into driving with me to the open house, from Michigan. I just want to shake a few hands and sign the last few planks. I have enjoyed these videos like nothing else in my life.
It's awesome to watch the casting of the bronze parts and the students are learning old time skills which are great. It also is good for the students so that they actually see their items in real time use so it's not just an item that sits and does not get used.
Glad you enjoyed coming along with us to MIT!
Total engagement video. Well done to all! Got my #a2acoffeeclub travel mug this week and I was surprised to see the quality of it. Well worth the money, and it's supporting some fine people. It also came with a 'thank you' card signed by Annie B. What a treasure!! Thanks for sharing your journey with us!!!
Awww shucks, Charles, thank you! So glad you like it! -Annie B
Can't wait to see you sail along with Delos and Parlay!
That sounds like fun, Jacob. What a nice thing to daydream about!
I work at a high grade steel casting foundry and its very nice to finally see some casting on youtube that has been done the proper way. As in packing the sand, using protective equipment, creating flow channels and air vents and i've also seen some feeder heads even though they have not been explained. Molten metals shrink as they cool (between 0.7 and 2.5% so yes, all replicas are smaller than the original if no additonal steps have been done to compensate). If there is no molten metal to fill the shrinking area then cavitys will form. Those can be inside of the casting (which might prevent technical use and therefore inflicts heavy grinding and welding) or on the outside (which looks ugly and needs to be welded as well). To keep liquid metal available you create a bigger feed and wrap it in insulating material. You can see this on the 2 castings beeing unpacked starting at 27:32.
Thanks so much for sharing your experience in the comments here… great to hear that this was enjoyable to a person with experience! Cheers!
Welcome to my neighborhood - next time you'll have to see The Herreshoff Collection, one of the most important yacht design collections in the world at MIT.
There is special calking that you can get for fire places. That might be something you can use. Would also be neat if you took Arabella to MIT after she's done. The students would really enjoy seeing her.
We could bring her partway up that river, not quite to MIT maybe, but what a nice thought.
Thanks for sharing. 🙂
And thanks for being here!
MIT rocks :)
It’s good to see that so much of Victoria will be sailing on with Arabella. And Ben’s and Anne’s contributions to the videos continue to impress.👍
Thank you very much from both of us, George. -Anne
Funny coincidence: A coworker and I have been following the journey of Arabella since way, way back (lead pour days), and I never miss a week. He's more of a woodworker, and I'm more of a sailor, but your project provides us both with great water-cooler discussions. The two of us know and work for Neil Papalardo, the guy for whom that laboratory is named! Great episode, and I LOVE the idea a few commenters have mentioned about making up small paper bags of coal rather than fumbling with something so messy, so often. If you can avoid needing to use water to clean up every single time you grab coal, that seems totally worth it (I say, never having actually dealt with coal myself - so take that with a grain of salt)!
Wowie! Well please let Mr Pappalardo know we love the lab 😁 thanks to you and your friend for being on the journey with us!
good stuff
Thanks for sharing
And thanks for watching!
Might have to come up with a way to secure the top covers on the stove when under way as they may pop out when pounding close hauled. Maybe a metal bar across the top that can be put on and taken off easy which would secure them underway. Awesome build have been following since the start look forward to each episode . Thank you .
A very special episode ... thanks from Canada
Thank you! Glad you’re watching!
@@AcornToArabella In to the end .. and beyond...
instead of 40 pound bag, put 4 lbs of coal in 10 paper type lunch bags.....use the bags to help start the fire.... much cleaner than reaching for coal.
Neat idea, David!
Yes as was done, pre pack the stock. Brown paper bag with kindling serves as desiccant promote air circulation while stowed
Who would have ever guessed that folks at MIT used such technical terms as " Goop " :-) lol ;-)
😁
These episodes seem to fly by! Loved the details on the stove. So if you were to burn wood and direct the smoke down through the oven, you could smoke ribs, fish and sausage. Loved the MIT section. I did casting at school. I found out many years in later life that because we didn't pass one academic exam called the 11+ exam in England we were deemed academic failures, and we streamed into a 'Secondary Modern School' to learn blue collar trades rather than becoming doctors, bank managers and lawyers. I enjoyed the metalwork and woodwork, I became a trade chef, I didn't do too bad and ended up as a hospitality manager, looking after guests and training others.
Enjoyed the show
Thank you, Kevin!
Terrific having this school on board
Agreed!
Dear Arabellas Acorns.
👍👌👏 Simply fantastic again and as always (video and work). Anne and Ben always do such a great job! Congrats!
2) Oh WOW, working with the the world famous MIT! Building a big sail boat in the backyard and being utube celebrities obviously has it's advantages. ;-) One of the best things that happened to Arabella was Victoria! I really hope that Arabellas dinghy will be named Vitoria.
3) I'm absolutely sure that you will love your wood/coal stove/oven and that you will use it a lot. With a special small mesh container you can even burn pellets. Fire wood (driftwood/beachwood/pallets) and other fuel (for instance coconut shells), will always be available and mostly be for free. By the way: Please kindly allow me to suggest to consider to have something like a chopping block on board (at least a small one).
3a) I'm a bit concerned to see the fire proof material (respectively the edges) in the fire box exposed from above. The material is not really sturdy and kind of brittle. Therefore please kindly allow me to suggest, that you put a piece of (cast) angle iron or a plate at least over the right firebrick to protect it from damage.
4) As always Thanks a lot for making teaching explaining recording editing uploading and sharing.
Best regards luck and health to all involved people and dogs.
My grandfather started the Alfred P Sloan school of business at MIT He was the VP of the Sloan foundation and also started Memorial Sloan Kettering
Wow!
Funny to think of MIT students doing this. I did it at the age of 14 at secondary school in the 1970's. Made my own pattern, melted and poured the metal. Then machined the finish.
Cool!
I wish I could come for the summer !
I got to have the TV to myself this morning so I watched you on the big screen. My mom had neck surgery on Wednesday and yesterday my daughter and I spent the day with her. My sister is picking mom up from the hospital right now and mom will stay with her for a bit. The surgery went well and the pain is in control. So, onto the boat. Things are moving so fast at this point it's crazy. But there are a zillion little things that go into putting the bigger things in. By the time you do go on a voyage you will have plenty of tiny chunks of wood to stash on the boat for the cast iron stove. That and the coal it could work well . Have a safe week.
Hi Kathy! Hope your mom is doing well! Thanks and happy Friday.
She is doing well. She is out of the hospital and at my sister's house. It was a long ride home for her so I'm letting her rest and will see her tomorrow. Thanks for asking.
It may be a bit unsightly but a rubber washer between the tile and fastener may help secure the panel without cracking it later due to vibration and movement. I love the way it turned out. It has been a pleasure watching this vessel come together.
Thank you!
There is a hi-temp ceraimc cement/calk compound called Sauereisen that you might find useful for your calking around that coal stove.
Thanks for the recommendation!
'Pappalardo' ! Was my grandmother's last name. She was from Massachusetts.
Great vid! Thanks for filming the bronze casting at MIT. I love the stove and tile housing (matching the propane heater). FYI. I lived in a domicile when I was younger which had a coal burning stove. We were very careful to store our coal away from the stove. In your case, it's underneath the stove and you have a separation from the stove itself. But just wondering if putting some light fireproofing material inside the lower cavity makes sense (or maybe you already thought of that?)? Wish I were younger and/or retired. I'd travel to MA to help you out this summer! Cheers.
Thanks for the kind words! We’ve got fireproof cement board under the tile, especially made to have tile mounted to. Great recommendation! Glad you’re watching and happy Friday!
I’m thinking the dust from the coal presents more of a danger than the actual solid coal itself. Further research on the part of Arabella’s crew seems to be in order. Take care and carry on with the good work.
cleaning out that ash bin in those tight, confined quarters will be a nightmare. That tile basin will bee dust/soot/ash covered in no time.
I hope you're making all your lights dimmable because you'll find that leds are sometimes ridiculously bright when you don't want them to be. I had 9 leds in my RV that took 45 watts to run and after setting them to minimum, they dropped to 3 watts and there was still plenty of ligjt.
Yup, we did a video a little while back about the dimmer system.