Oh my days! 🤯 gotta admire the resourcefulness, kind of, in a slightly uncomfortable way 😂. But this is what will happen, if main stealerships keep ripping people off and charging customers to swap £1,000 modules, at random, until the problem goes away.
Yeah scary stuff. You are right tho, we do need more economical repair options. There are some hevra garages but we need more so customers have choice. Thanks
Thanks for showing this Gary. It just shows what a little (but not enough) knowledge can do and how unsafe it can be. Using one layer of heat shrink at the controller end to overcome Renaults inadequate pin is one thing, but the old fashioned screw terminal block on the other was quite literally shocking. What is worse someone could have paid for this 'fix' at some cheap garage. There are plenty of backstreet garages out there bodging ICE cars, but bodging EVs could be a lot more dangerous. As Gary states "If you don't understand it, don't touch it" If someone charged this in their internal home garage charging 32A for 7 hours could get quit warm.................... I watch Gary's videos because I also am fascinated how they work, repairing all my ICE cars and we have an ageing ZE40. But having also worked on High Voltage TV and Satellite transmitters I understand and respect the power of electricity. There are a lot of clever people out there, but many who are not. The safety systems can be annoying, but they are there for a reason, don't bypass them, fix the fault.
For me, if every connection is solid and the hole was water proofed, this is a valid fix. Otherwise, you would need a new charging socket and a new filter block. But it is obvious that Zor was designed for 63A 3 phase AC charging (thick phase wires) and single phase for emergencies only. Zoe has an internal relay which joins L3 and Neutral for single phase charging, which often fails due to high heat of 32A single phase chargingž
@jonathanwebb8307 This one is a bad example of something which is a valid fix for 10+ year old car. As long as there is no tampering with high voltage interlock or water insulation is done correctly, this is fine for me
Electricians are not allowed to use screw connectors as a repair for quite a few years. These can work loose causing a live cable to earth. Once loose will overheat and melt the plastic causing a live to ground fault again.Also d.c. connectors are different from a.c connectors seen faulty on a d.c traction motor caused by this.
While the wiring on this is horrible. I will say I'm all for the apps. I say this as someone who has once or twice fixed no start conditions are my chevy volt using CAN bus commands. It doesn't matter if it's an EV or a ICE vehicle people will do bodge jobs. Honestly I feel like these car manufacturers need to make their service manuals more available so that people know the risks and correct way to fix things. If the person repairing this car knew the risks better they might have done a better job.
Aren't the four big 'pins' the 3-phase lives and neutral? Smaller pin = signalling? Then again there look to be 2 pins in the other hole (CP and PP?). Is this a neutral or earth (ground) pin connecting to the rest of the car? Obviously dangerous to bodge like this, just seeking clarification.
Hi the 4 big pins are 3 live phases and earth. Smaller pin is earth, 2 very small pins tell the car if there is something plugged into the socket or not. Pp and Cp go elsewhere. Cheers
The problem these days is there are a lot of internet experts with no professional experience who read a few online forums and then believe they are knowledgeable enough to take anything on. Highly dangerous and likely to get worse until the industry gets the skilled technicians with good diagnostic tools to do these repairs.
100%. I’ve pulled up a few people who start doing repairs at home and then detail what they are doing on RUclips/forums when they don’t have the skills or training and some of the things they do could end up in a dangerous situation 😬
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing as well as an inability to think straight or even think at all. The principle of doing this to high voltage equipment is obvious, but clearly not to everyone, sadly
That's pretty shocking. Someone with enough knowledge to bodge can be a dangerous thing. Like the old trick of replacing fuse wire in the house with a nail.
Shocking I see what you did there. 😁 I’d have soldered and used heat shrink myself, but only as a temporary fix to get me a charge to get to the dealer rather than a flatbed truck.
No, it's the EV. Just because someone can only afford a used EV they may not be able to afford the overpriced maintenance. That's what forcing people into EVs will bring danger to our roads and possibly houses. I understand what you're saying but new tech on an older population is nuts. How about solar panels worth battery backup? They're very dangerous also if you do not understand the system. All the masses get are solar panels and EVs to save the planet, rebates for cars, and solar panel installation to save money. Which is not true. Anyway, this was a good PSA for DIYers.
Tbh I don’t really buy from salvage auction, too many unknowns and I can find plenty of faulty cars from other places so I can’t really advise I’m afraid. Cheers.
More likley to be a Bodgit and Scarper "professional". An owner would have a lot of money invested in the car and nobody in their right mind would bodge their own expensive car like that. This is somebody who wanted it fixing in a day , paying in cash and then disapearing with no interest in the consequences. The sort of owner DIY enthusiast who wanted to tackle repairs would seek advice in owners forums ect and do it much more carefully. Interesting video
To be fair I have seen some terrible “professional” repairs. The ze50 repair I did in previous videos was an accident damaged car and the headlight was held in with wood screws…
Oh my days! 🤯 gotta admire the resourcefulness, kind of, in a slightly uncomfortable way 😂.
But this is what will happen, if main stealerships keep ripping people off and charging customers to swap £1,000 modules, at random, until the problem goes away.
Yeah scary stuff. You are right tho, we do need more economical repair options. There are some hevra garages but we need more so customers have choice. Thanks
Thanks for showing this Gary. It just shows what a little (but not enough) knowledge can do and how unsafe it can be.
Using one layer of heat shrink at the controller end to overcome Renaults inadequate pin is one thing, but the old fashioned screw terminal block on the other was quite literally shocking. What is worse someone could have paid for this 'fix' at some cheap garage. There are plenty of backstreet garages out there bodging ICE cars, but bodging EVs could be a lot more dangerous.
As Gary states "If you don't understand it, don't touch it"
If someone charged this in their internal home garage charging 32A for 7 hours could get quit warm....................
I watch Gary's videos because I also am fascinated how they work, repairing all my ICE cars and we have an ageing ZE40. But having also worked on High Voltage TV and Satellite transmitters I understand and respect the power of electricity. There are a lot of clever people out there, but many who are not.
The safety systems can be annoying, but they are there for a reason, don't bypass them, fix the fault.
For me, if every connection is solid and the hole was water proofed, this is a valid fix.
Otherwise, you would need a new charging socket and a new filter block.
But it is obvious that Zor was designed for 63A 3 phase AC charging (thick phase wires) and single phase for emergencies only. Zoe has an internal relay which joins L3 and Neutral for single phase charging, which often fails due to high heat of 32A single phase chargingž
The soldered joint doesn't look so bad but the chocolate connector is bad and then just wrapping it in insulation tape is totally inadequate
@jonathanwebb8307 This one is a bad example of something which is a valid fix for 10+ year old car. As long as there is no tampering with high voltage interlock or water insulation is done correctly, this is fine for me
Chocolate block on a vehicle in my opinion not good.I can remember the problems we had years ago with Lucus window connectors for example.
They put more time and effort into the bodge than it would have taken to fit a new socket.
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Electricians are not allowed to use screw connectors as a repair for quite a few years. These can work loose causing a live cable to earth. Once loose will overheat and melt the plastic causing a live to ground fault again.Also d.c. connectors are different from a.c connectors seen faulty on a d.c traction motor caused by this.
While the wiring on this is horrible. I will say I'm all for the apps. I say this as someone who has once or twice fixed no start conditions are my chevy volt using CAN bus commands. It doesn't matter if it's an EV or a ICE vehicle people will do bodge jobs. Honestly I feel like these car manufacturers need to make their service manuals more available so that people know the risks and correct way to fix things. If the person repairing this car knew the risks better they might have done a better job.
Aren't the four big 'pins' the 3-phase lives and neutral? Smaller pin = signalling? Then again there look to be 2 pins in the other hole (CP and PP?). Is this a neutral or earth (ground) pin connecting to the rest of the car? Obviously dangerous to bodge like this, just seeking clarification.
Hi the 4 big pins are 3 live phases and earth. Smaller pin is earth, 2 very small pins tell the car if there is something plugged into the socket or not. Pp and Cp go elsewhere. Cheers
@@garycevrepairs Thanks for the clarification!
The problem these days is there are a lot of internet experts with no professional experience who read a few online forums and then believe they are knowledgeable enough to take anything on. Highly dangerous and likely to get worse until the industry gets the skilled technicians with good diagnostic tools to do these repairs.
100%. I’ve pulled up a few people who start doing repairs at home and then detail what they are doing on RUclips/forums when they don’t have the skills or training and some of the things they do could end up in a dangerous situation 😬
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing as well as an inability to think straight or even think at all. The principle of doing this to high voltage equipment is obvious, but clearly not to everyone, sadly
Absolutely shocking bodge...
You cant help stupid. For me the question has to be asked why did they put such a small connector and wire in there in the first place?
That's pretty shocking. Someone with enough knowledge to bodge can be a dangerous thing. Like the old trick of replacing fuse wire in the house with a nail.
Shocking I see what you did there. 😁 I’d have soldered and used heat shrink myself, but only as a temporary fix to get me a charge to get to the dealer rather than a flatbed truck.
No, it's the EV. Just because someone can only afford a used EV they may not be able to afford the overpriced maintenance. That's what forcing people into EVs will bring danger to our roads and possibly houses. I understand what you're saying but new tech on an older population is nuts. How about solar panels worth battery backup? They're very dangerous also if you do not understand the system. All the masses get are solar panels and EVs to save the planet, rebates for cars, and solar panel installation to save money. Which is not true. Anyway, this was a good PSA for DIYers.
Good to have a range of viewpoints, thanks !
I’m bidding on a 2014 leaf that says it has a pdm issue at Copart looks like 10 bars on dash what your think my max bid should be 60km
Tbh I don’t really buy from salvage auction, too many unknowns and I can find plenty of faulty cars from other places so I can’t really advise I’m afraid. Cheers.
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More likley to be a Bodgit and Scarper "professional". An owner would have a lot of money invested in the car and nobody in their right mind would bodge their own expensive car like that. This is somebody who wanted it fixing in a day , paying in cash and then disapearing with no interest in the consequences. The sort of owner DIY enthusiast who wanted to tackle repairs would seek advice in owners forums ect and do it much more carefully. Interesting video
To be fair I have seen some terrible “professional” repairs. The ze50 repair I did in previous videos was an accident damaged car and the headlight was held in with wood screws…