I'm just seeing RUclips interviews where Lance himself admitted that Eddy Merckx introduced him to Dr. Ferrari. Imagine that! That epitomizes EVERYTHING!
I agree, it’s a little surprising how much other pro triathletes are slamming Collin. I think it’s a little suspicious even that they’re attacking him so vehemently
Refreshing video in all this. No blame game, but facts. It will be interesting to know how Chartier got into it, but until then, hold off on the witch hunt.
I'm an ex sports journo who does triathlon. The fact the sport has failed to deal with doping since the Olympic Inception is telling (Vukovic/Mesmer/McMahon/Rehula/Allen/Fernandes and the Queen cheat of them all..Spirig) is abs telling..this is no surprise.
Given Hemoglobin normal lab reference range is 14-18 and Hematocrit 37.5-51 . What are the optimal level "goal" number when taking EPO thats still safe even though is outside and higher than normal.?
Some theory has been going around. Athletes Bio Passport: a ton of YOUNG athletes are coming into the ABS fold already brimming to the gills with EPO assisted performance. Think what happens next. Whenever they take stuff, it does not register as suspect. Watch the whole video AND sift through the comments down below after! --->> How They Dope today? by Road Bikers Poznan. There are doping 'schedules' that can beat the system, even in a 24-hour period. Pogacar, Remco, Vinegaard, etc, often disappear at high altitude . . . to train, right?
When athletes are at altitude camps they can and are still drug tested. There are random out of competition tests where you have to update your whereabouts 24/7. Look to athletics where a number of athletes have been given suspensions for 3 whereabouts failures where they haven't been where they said they were going to be when a drug tester turned up for a random drug test
I would prefer a lifelong ban , get caught and you are done! What hinders Collin now from just train on juice for 3 years and come back stronger than before? I would prefer to never see him again on a race course
Don’t get me wrong doping (and any form of cheating) is completely wrong. Rules are set out and need to be followed. But i don’t really see EPO having different effects on different people matters. That is true of every aspect of the sport. Ability to recover, body shape or even how caffeine effects us. We are all different and main factors are out of our control to an extent. All we can do is your absolute best while staying within the rules.
If we really wanted clean sport, we'd have to go the route of ZERO TOLERANCE. Nothing in your blood, no headache pills, no "asthma" inhaler, no steroids found due to your saddle sore, literally nothing. If you have asthma, you don't get to grow up and play endurance sports at the level you want, it's life. if you leave it open for one person to have a medical exemption, someone else finds a doctor to say they have the same thing, and we're back to a mess. Have a drugged version, and a zero tolerance version, and that's it. You can't have people taking anything and competing, people take tramadol for "pain management", meanwhile it happens to buffer lactic acid on a minute level, so everyone does it. ZERO.
is there a benefit to doping to gain fitness. For example an athlete dopes during training then stops with enough time for the drug to clear so when tested it comes back negative after their race. Does the athlete need to continue taking for performance to really show.
Playing the role of the proverbial "devil's advocate", I am interested in the rebuttal you put forth that it is not really a level playing field if all had access to and were using EPO because each individual's physiology reacts differently to it. Thereby giving some athletes greater advantage by taking it than it does for others. By that logic, is that to say altitude training should not be allowed because the boost in oxygen carrying capacity will benefit some more than others for the same reason? Or, extrapolate that to any aspect of training. Should interval sessions or zone 2 sessions etc.... not be allowed because they are going to give a greater advantage to some than to others? Should all athletes be placed in a totally controlled environmental bubble and only allowed to eat and train the exact same way in the name of "a level playing field"? Or for even more absurd illustration, simply measure all measurable performance markers, run the numbers and determine the winners without competing or training at all. I am not advocating for anything but simply interested in thoughts on the integrity of the arguments.
Was thinking the same. Every athlete responded differently to almost all stimulus. Be it ability to recover, altitude or even caffeine. The fact EPO is the same plays no role in it being banned.
For sure, I see where you’re coming from. I was just pointing that out to highlight that PEDs have the potential to benefit some much more than others - as a response to something mentioned a bit being ‘if their all on drugs then the best athlete wins anyway’. To touch on the impact on individual physiology. Of course that’s not why they’re banned. That said we cannot know the sure prevalence of drug use in triathlon anyway, maybe uncommon or otherwise. To the point that it’s never a level playing field even without the potential variable of PEDs, I completely agree. Genetics set an athlete up primarily and no one can chose their parents. Then of course financial situation, access to altitude, technology, coaching etc etc. It’s never ‘fair’ even if all athletes are racing clean. However those methods of enhancement (altitude, diet, intervals, etc) will only allow an athlete to reach their absolute genetic limit, as opposed to using substances which oppose the bodies natural response - ie. EPO preventing anaemia due to heavy training loads. Great point tho. It’s far from a level playing field regardless.
Yeah he said he’s retiring now so won’t be tested. Think athletes can still be tested on a ban if they intend on returning? Imagine if he came back and cleaned up again 🫣
We are at 6th generation EPO, almost impossible to differentiate from endogenous EPO, he was just the unfortunate one to be caught.
I'm just seeing RUclips interviews where Lance himself admitted that Eddy Merckx introduced him to Dr. Ferrari. Imagine that! That epitomizes EVERYTHING!
I agree, it’s a little surprising how much other pro triathletes are slamming Collin. I think it’s a little suspicious even that they’re attacking him so vehemently
nice to see you back!
The real athletes are clean no matter how they finish, Clean athletes will never have skeletons in their closets.
Refreshing video in all this. No blame game, but facts. It will be interesting to know how Chartier got into it, but until then, hold off on the witch hunt.
I'm an ex sports journo who does triathlon. The fact the sport has failed to deal with doping since the Olympic Inception is telling (Vukovic/Mesmer/McMahon/Rehula/Allen/Fernandes and the Queen cheat of them all..Spirig) is abs telling..this is no surprise.
It's never going to be a level playing field
it never was, in fact in any sport
What a 'gift' it is.
God given gift , God given talent, soooo you have to be religious I believe in snow white
@@darringrey4329 0:10 . . . the joke was his 'gift' was EPO
Given Hemoglobin normal lab reference range is 14-18 and Hematocrit 37.5-51 . What are the optimal level "goal" number when taking EPO thats still safe even though is outside and higher than normal.?
Some theory has been going around. Athletes Bio Passport: a ton of YOUNG athletes are coming into the ABS fold already brimming to the gills with EPO assisted performance. Think what happens next. Whenever they take stuff, it does not register as suspect. Watch the whole video AND sift through the comments down below after! --->> How They Dope today? by Road Bikers Poznan. There are doping 'schedules' that can beat the system, even in a 24-hour period. Pogacar, Remco, Vinegaard, etc, often disappear at high altitude . . . to train, right?
When athletes are at altitude camps they can and are still drug tested. There are random out of competition tests where you have to update your whereabouts 24/7. Look to athletics where a number of athletes have been given suspensions for 3 whereabouts failures where they haven't been where they said they were going to be when a drug tester turned up for a random drug test
@@savagepro9060 with all due respect, I would like to keep my blissful ignorance intact and believe everyone is clean until they fail a doping test
@@maxafc4695 actually I'm the opposite, I think everyone is doping until proven innocent
@@savagepro9060 you can never prove someone innocent
@@maxafc4695
maxafc46: "you can never prove someone innocent"
OJ Simpson's lawyers: 🤣😅😂😆😁
I would prefer a lifelong ban , get caught and you are done! What hinders Collin now from just train on juice for 3 years and come back stronger than before? I would prefer to never see him again on a race course
Don’t get me wrong doping (and any form of cheating) is completely wrong. Rules are set out and need to be followed.
But i don’t really see EPO having different effects on different people matters. That is true of every aspect of the sport. Ability to recover, body shape or even how caffeine effects us. We are all different and main factors are out of our control to an extent. All we can do is your absolute best while staying within the rules.
If we really wanted clean sport, we'd have to go the route of ZERO TOLERANCE. Nothing in your blood, no headache pills, no "asthma" inhaler, no steroids found due to your saddle sore, literally nothing. If you have asthma, you don't get to grow up and play endurance sports at the level you want, it's life. if you leave it open for one person to have a medical exemption, someone else finds a doctor to say they have the same thing, and we're back to a mess. Have a drugged version, and a zero tolerance version, and that's it. You can't have people taking anything and competing, people take tramadol for "pain management", meanwhile it happens to buffer lactic acid on a minute level, so everyone does it. ZERO.
Yes…..asthma inhalers. How many of these elites have “asthma” which requires bronchodilators?
is there a benefit to doping to gain fitness. For example an athlete dopes during training then stops with enough time for the drug to clear so when tested it comes back negative after their race. Does the athlete need to continue taking for performance to really show.
Absolutely. RBCs have a lifespan of around 4 months so the benefits continue for some time after stopping use.
+ Tests should be a forfeiture of pro license
Go race AG
Age Group? hahahahahahahah
AG athletes can be tested too. No one should be on PEDS within the sport. Shouldn’t matter if Pro or AG.
@@bengoodfellow1937 Competitive sport is hard.
You said 'you know' 39 times.
Personal record 😣
Playing the role of the proverbial "devil's advocate", I am interested in the rebuttal you put forth that it is not really a level playing field if all had access to and were using EPO because each individual's physiology reacts differently to it. Thereby giving some athletes greater advantage by taking it than it does for others.
By that logic, is that to say altitude training should not be allowed because the boost in oxygen carrying capacity will benefit some more than others for the same reason?
Or, extrapolate that to any aspect of training. Should interval sessions or zone 2 sessions etc.... not be allowed because they are going to give a greater advantage to some than to others?
Should all athletes be placed in a totally controlled environmental bubble and only allowed to eat and train the exact same way in the name of "a level playing field"?
Or for even more absurd illustration, simply measure all measurable performance markers, run the numbers and determine the winners without competing or training at all.
I am not advocating for anything but simply interested in thoughts on the integrity of the arguments.
Was thinking the same. Every athlete responded differently to almost all stimulus. Be it ability to recover, altitude or even caffeine. The fact EPO is the same plays no role in it being banned.
For sure, I see where you’re coming from. I was just pointing that out to highlight that PEDs have the potential to benefit some much more than others - as a response to something mentioned a bit being ‘if their all on drugs then the best athlete wins anyway’.
To touch on the impact on individual physiology. Of course that’s not why they’re banned. That said we cannot know the sure prevalence of drug use in triathlon anyway, maybe uncommon or otherwise.
To the point that it’s never a level playing field even without the potential variable of PEDs, I completely agree. Genetics set an athlete up primarily and no one can chose their parents. Then of course financial situation, access to altitude, technology, coaching etc etc. It’s never ‘fair’ even if all athletes are racing clean. However those methods of enhancement (altitude, diet, intervals, etc) will only allow an athlete to reach their absolute genetic limit, as opposed to using substances which oppose the bodies natural response - ie. EPO preventing anaemia due to heavy training loads.
Great point tho. It’s far from a level playing field regardless.
Epo increases all your organs to work harder, I'd imagine prolonged use will just increase risk of organ failure? assumption
His reasons and timing does not make sense
These rules are so fkin stupid. During those 3 years, he NOW has all the time to truly use EPO, come back clean, and kick ass!
Never seen that way. Should’ve they banned Collin for life or not?
@@desmondyap5391 For Life as suggested by Paula Radcliffe et al
Yeah he said he’s retiring now so won’t be tested. Think athletes can still be tested on a ban if they intend on returning? Imagine if he came back and cleaned up again 🫣
You don’t know how EPO works you can’t blast it
If peds are not aloud in sports then I think biological men are not aloud to be in women’s category. That being said I am pro-ped use.