I'm also curious how many age groupers would be tested positive. There are so many "alpha males" in the ironman races who make times which are near to pro times everything while running a company or being a manager full time and "just" training 14 to 16 hours a week. I could imagine that there is even more people doping in the age groups than in the pro field. There is no doping controls there unfortunately.
As an ex pro triathlete I can say doping is everywhere, I hated it, so many sly athletes, not enough testing in the sport, it’s nuts. Many of the top guys are not clean, look at the time improvements and the amount of racing in such a short time, it’s not just recovery tools and technology, so many federations protect their athletes
It’s even worse in the amateur cycling ranks, especially Masters racers. It’s a complete joke the level doping and for what, not even much prize money, maybe a trophy or ribbon and a pat on the back.
@@GNX157 yep, i trained in Holland for a while, there were age group cyclists 20 years older than me handing it to me up the climbs, part timers while I was a full time athlete, I found out later they would go over to Belgium and visit the doctors there
I have a baseball background if you think it’s bad in triathlon you don’t wanna know what’s going down in baseball and American football here in the states :/
@@mattia_pastore No, just not an idiot, I can name names and tell many stories, however, it’s not my job to bring down the masses. Yes, I was a warrior , not of the keyboard , I am proud I didn’t cheat, the others, they can live with their dishonesty
Doping is not a speeding ticket. It kills all what one was loving to begin with in this beautiful sport It takes the pride and honesty of all you are allround with.. - and yourself
Yeah, well said Sebi. The main problem is as you say that the 'bar' is set artificially high so now people either get injured or depressed failing trying to get over it ...
As an ex sports journo I dont know where Sebastian has been living the last 25 years (maybe under a rock) but doping in triathlon is as long as your arm. Shall I remind everyone reading this of Sydney 2000 where maybe 30% of the field were doping including 4 of the medalists on the mens and womens, not much change in Athens with Kate Allen or Vanessa Fernandes in 2008, or who can forget the biggest cheat of them all, Nicola Spirig.. unless the media shills and the yapping dogs (including the pros) refuse to call this out then this sport will continue to live in denial, the fact Chartier got caught is purely accidental and to believe they're aren't others is like believing in unicorns.
Haha yeah just like Jake (Zane Robinson's brother - another EPO drug cheat) runs identical times basically but is full natty 😂😂
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well you can easily hide injecting 4x a week from someone, and on the other hand why would he ever tell him, at the end it’s still his competitor who does everything to beat him
@ how naive are you lol…. They even have the same coach, you think the coach doesn’t know given the levels of scientific testing they do…. You think Lance teammates at postal who were coached by Ferrari were clean too?
@ Lionel looks like he's taking test maybe wrong on that. I'd wager him and most the top guys are doing epo including these vocal athletes jumping on a man whose down in Colin. I don't care for dopers, but I understand why. You want the money, sponsors, women... you ain't getting as a natty hahaha
See you on the line in Frejus, and then probably cheer you on at Norseman! It looks a fantastic calendar you've set this year. Looks so good that there could be a danger of you cancelling your retirement.......
...I was coming into some really good form and looking forward to the weekends race but I picked up a virus and unfortunately my Dr says that I can't do the race.... this is typically said when doping timing is done wrong (I think). Lance Armstrong was crushing his return to Triathlon which may have helped lead the way for other pros in tri to follow. Only saying what I saw and heard.
The trainer of Collin is the brother of the current Ironman world champion…I really hope that this is just a coincidence, but it’s hard to believe 😢 absolutely sad for younger athletes
@@timvanmonero2720 And yet, throughout history, cheating has always been one step ahead. Testing is, and nearly has to be reactive to methods of cheating. They will be caught retroactively when new testing comes out in line with new methods of cheating. Not to mention the fact that their team is at the forefront of physiology and potential ways to improve performance, both natural and otherwise.
I doubt the sport has ever been clean. When it was common for guys like Norman Stadler to be training with Jan Ullrich and his team it’s hard to not think it was going on.
This is Soul Destroying For Genuine Athletes like yourself Seb, There Has to be Trust, in your fellow Athletes, Or they Have to find a way to test them all before the start of each Race, The Organisers Have to find a way to make it clean sport for Everyone!
Triathlon is a very expensive sport. Development of a young athlete to get them to the point where they could go pro and earn some of that exorbitant cost. Triathlon is an affluent sport. I know everyone says it is about doing your best and winning is not everything. But when you are a pro you don't train to loose and your sponsors don't pay you to just do your best. Are companies in business to loose? Are militaries developing to loose? Everyone is so surprised of cocos behavior!? To me it is natural to do everything to win. Like you said Sebastian, participation doesn't pay the bills.
My trust in the sport has all but vanished. Unfortunately I’ll question every result. One of the appeals of the sport was the pinnacle of performance the pros are at and how I could compare my mediocre stats against theirs. It made me respect their dedication and commitment. Well that’s gone now as nothing feels “authentic” anymore
Respecting faster peoples dedication and commitment is delusional if you are basically training the same as many try to do. It is in the genetic gifts some are given and some are not. There is nothing more magical a top performer does, compared to a 5-10th percentile performer. I call it lucky blood nowadays; the best have lucky blood, mine is decent but not as lucky. Respect should be given to all that put in the efforts, and maybe. more respect to those that don't have lucky blood, because the glory doesn't come to them with the same training efforts.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I feel like its mostly the people, who don't do sports, who just say everyone dopes. Its because they do not understand, that even the cheaters have to train very hard and disciplined, and then they give themselves an unfair advantage in order to achieve some stolen valor. Many people think something like Lance Armstrong could have just sat in his mum's basement playing computer games, then dope some and win the Tour the France. Also it is, that in their mind it feels good to explain, that it is normal and good to be physically inactive, painting a picture in the brain of 2 camps. Normal people and those crazy workout people on steroids. Everyone who ever trained hard and disciplined should know, that there is a lot more flowing into the equation, like passion, mindset, talent and much more. But anyway, where is the sport going? There should probably be tighter controls and canceling a race should probably lead to an automatic doping control in order to help out the image of the sport. E.g., now Sam Lieto and Laura Philipp raise eyebrows canceling a race after Chartier was caught. Why not just disprove the accusations? It would not hurt, I assume. Or would a split into 2 classes of races possible? One with clean athletes and another one with athletes under legalized doping use. This would be comparable to sprayed vs. organic vegetables. The fans would split up too. On the one side you would have those, who are just impressed by bigger, faster, stronger. On the other side, you would have those impressed by passion, spirit and inspiration. Maybe not doable, that idea just popped into my mind. Cheers all!
Nice idea in theory. But unfortunately the doping free category will likely still have many doped athletes. See "natural" bodybuilding or powerlifting for example...
it will be like cycling , Triathlon will make a big 'show' of being clean , but the athletes will stay ahead of the testing and the doping will continue. The thing I am curious about is how doping effects different people in different ways , I bet some athletes get a much bigger performance boost than others , so a guy like Charter can go from a mid pack guy to the top , whereas someone essentially " better" than him could take the same drugs but not get the same end result. Look at a Flora Duffy , a very suspicious trajectory from good but not great mid pack athlete to total world domination. If we accept others in her field are also doping , why are her results so spectacular? I feel for Sebastian , he seems visibly deflated and sad , but he is either super naive or just trying to save his sport that he knows is corrupt from a total collapse....
Exclude the entire team for 2 years is collective punishment. Top to bottom, rider, sportdirector, mechanics, doctors, masseur, the entire team. Only way in my way of thinking.
Colin destroyed HIS career in sport. His dreams and his work. Perhaps he was suffering from some sort of depression....nobody knows. People do horrible things in depression. Some buy a rifle and shoot 30 people. Some kill themselves. Colin shot EPO in his ass. Sport will go on, weaker people will fall off the bandwagon. Stay positive.
Not simple as it’s sounds like, they can hide it, they’re managed by doctors who knew what they’re doing. Sadly, not as simple. Eg, who will check athletes in small towns in Kenya? Or the mountains of Slovakia? Sad.
@@aptrendz1815 i can tell you that they do, i remember an interview of a pro cyclist who had to give up coordinates of every camp that he wanted to stay in before being allowed to go hiking in south america. They want to know where u are every night and test you whenever they want. After all, all that is left for us is to believe that the systems in place are working.
doping is not a new issue in triathlon. how come Mark Allen beat Dave Scott in 1989, although he never was able to even finish clean the line in Kona ? we'll know some day...
I tried to explain to the cycling world there was a chance we can save cycling. The equalizer to the steroids was the advanced training I created 20 something years ago I tried to explain this to every organization but I was blocked and ignored. Structured training in cycling was the equalizer to the steroids. But once steroids is involved, we're back at ground zero again. It's over now. We are way past the point of saving cycling. This had to happen around 8 years ago. The cycling industry needs to keep its athletes dirty in order to keep control of them. That's the only agenda that is clear. The minute any one of them steps out of wine they are found dirty. The reason why Lance was exposed was because he was not listening. They told him to back off and not monopolize the sport. He did not listen. He chose his legacy over the cycling industry and that's why they made a example out of him. Not because he doped more than others. That's just ridiculous. These satanists running all sports. Don't care about fairness. They care about controlling the superstars.
The party where you talk about liars. It's a tremendous problem in our society. I believe that 90% of the population lies and does not feel guilty about it because it has become part of society to just be a filthy liar
Leider gibt es Doping überall im Leistungssport. Egal wohin man schaut. Im Radsport schlägt es ständig hohe Wellen, es war nur eine Frage der Zeit, bis es im Triathlon den ersten großen Fall gibt. Leider, so ein Mist…
Doping is nothing but a definition of what is forbidden. So being clean is everything else. I love sports, but I have no illusions. To me, the doping discussions is nothing but hypocritical.
Not surprised any more, I only ever raced at club level and it was happening there. Made me realise there was no point competing at all. So now only ride for fun.....
"I still think that 90% of the field is competing clean." If 10% of the pros are taking performance enhencing drugs, it basically means that every non-doping pro is not competitive for podium finishes or victory.
It's always amazed me with so much money in the sport why the top 10 pro's cant just be tested in every race,WHY NOT?????...... 100% sure some top age groupers cheat guys
As someone who has struggled with obesity my whole life, I've joking thought that anyone who can do an ironman is cheating. But, meeting a couple people who have become triathletes, I've started to follow their progress and the sport as a whole because it's been a great source of motivation. With doping in the picture, however, that changes everything. The suspicion alone is embittering and a huge turn-off. I feel bad for the honest, clean athletes. However, if you now have that seed in your mind of, "What's the point in competing?" then you're in the same boat and poisoned mindset that I had as someone who was 300+ lbs.
I have friends who did ironman. They are not top athletes, they just competed for the sake of it and finished. They don't need drugs to complete an ironman. They don't need to win to join. They joined for themselves, not for a medal, recognition, nor social media. Sport is not just a job, sport is also for fun. They joined for fun. Unless it is your livelihood. Not everyone who does triathlon makes it their livelihood.
Dope, win. Deny it for years. Then when the game is up, tell everyone keep your millions and in the process make more money than you ever did when you were competing. Athletes have been doping for centuries, why would anyone think that would change. Only the delusional.
C'mon, the base assumption is every pro cheats. Doesn't have to be just peds, but all the tech involved (lighter/faster/stronger). So the quaint notion that people think any sport is clean is ludicrous. Honestly, unless you all eat/sleep/train the same way, how do you really determine who is best? I suspect the guy with the most resources/time will always be at/near the top, even if not the best physical specimen.
Sry but in every sport where u can earn some money, Doping is gonna be everywhere, regardless if it’s common „knowledge“ due to previous scandals or not. Even more in endurance sports. I havent trusted ANY pro athlete in high class endurance sports when it comes to this topic, even before this incident. I don’t trust you, kipchoge, nobody. It’s just more likely that a pro endurance athlete is doped/has doped in some way. I don’t even jugde them for that. I admire the accomplishments either way, it’s hard work with or without doping, I don’t care. But everybody who thinks dopers are an exception is just delusional.
When are people going to realise doping in US athletes is as bad as any country .just look at their whole system theres a reason the nfl run their own drug testing and penalties are minor.
I believe more or less everyone makes doping , what do i mean with that ? All (or nearly all , of the TOP athlets train in the alpes or mountains , and came down for the events !!! For example ( Daniela Ryf , Laura Philipp and a lot other people do that also ! I believe this point can create untill 20% better performance ! I tested this once by myself , was the day before in the swiss alps , (ca 1200 meter over see level) and made a run next day , on ca 400 meter over see level , the feeling was , all was much easier , like round ca 20% more power , and i was feeling my body condition was much better !!!
Sounds like placebo to me. 1 day at altitude is going to do nothing for you physiologically. The rest of your argument based on your lack of understanding of physiology is equally dubious.
You cant seriously compare that !!! On You Tube there is a clip , compares a normal road bike in the wind tunnel with a TRI -Bike , by a speed of ca 45 km , the TRI -Bike , in best body position safe 150 Watts against a road racing bike !!! They say in this clip, that can make 42 minutes time difference !!! And best Triathlets go in the wind tunnel ,to save as much Watts as even possible , like in Formula 1 !!! Best , screw on every point the can, to get better, from nutrition , new swimm suits, till the bike !!!
@@user-kn1tc And dope too; Iden's marathon after those "wind tunnels" (didn't gave a single kick apparently) 2:36 ?! is this a joke ? no way, we're not that dumb ! by the way, heard of Collin Chartier ? PTO seems to be rather like EPO. lol
Common man, just keep your mouth shut if u urself don't wanna get busted, u don't win a professional triathlon clean. Good analogy to what lance did, am a great fan of lance, not coz he doped, but coz of his charisma, u know everyone at the top dopes, no need to throw shade on ur mates.
Every professional endurance athlete has to perform on some specific very limited timeslots in each year. And has to be better than his professional counterparts. There is limited testing..... So : " the winner takes it all". BTW: - where does doping start? - are fruit shakes with some added "Powder" just nutrituion or are they performance enhancing? I hated Armstrong. But he did what all the other guys did. Ok: he even got over the limit there. But if he would been euopean, he would be still "untested". Now: RedBull sponsorship.... Normally you literally have to kill yourself ( or simply be the best everytime) to be sponsored by that "performance enhancing drink" manufacturer. Hmmmm... No pressure to perform well on "the big event"? Really? Well: the competition just found a better way to "prepare" themselves. Or they changed their " nutrition". Every sucsessful top athlete in endurance is "enhanced". Just because their "enhancement" isn't on any banned list does not make them better. Take your money, and stop crying about it.
Stealing this idea from a writer writing about war: Doping will be w us in sport till collectively we think it is disgusting Only riders have the power to spread that word: it is disgusting. I am disgusted. Same w soldiers
I'm also curious how many age groupers would be tested positive. There are so many "alpha males" in the ironman races who make times which are near to pro times everything while running a company or being a manager full time and "just" training 14 to 16 hours a week. I could imagine that there is even more people doping in the age groups than in the pro field. There is no doping controls there unfortunately.
yeah, 14-16 hours for years makes you go "almost" pro times. difference s in 10 hours more a week is then pro times.
@@rogerwilson8023 when i'm 40 i'll get HGH and TRT shots and smash course records :D
There shouldn’t be testing in age group and there never will be. If people are dumb enough to dope in age group racing, then let them
You get over competitive types everywhere, even when it doesn't really matter. I wouldn't be surprised if doping for parkrun was a thing!
I'll bet 10% ag dope
As an ex pro triathlete I can say doping is everywhere, I hated it, so many sly athletes, not enough testing in the sport, it’s nuts. Many of the top guys are not clean, look at the time improvements and the amount of racing in such a short time, it’s not just recovery tools and technology, so many federations protect their athletes
It’s even worse in the amateur cycling ranks, especially Masters racers. It’s a complete joke the level doping and for what, not even much prize money, maybe a trophy or ribbon and a pat on the back.
@@GNX157 yep, i trained in Holland for a while, there were age group cyclists 20 years older than me handing it to me up the climbs, part timers while I was a full time athlete, I found out later they would go over to Belgium and visit the doctors there
I have a baseball background if you think it’s bad in triathlon you don’t wanna know what’s going down in baseball and American football here in the states :/
then who are the 'many of the top guys'? can you name them? or are you just a sore keyboard warrior?
@@mattia_pastore No, just not an idiot, I can name names and tell many stories, however, it’s not my job to bring down the masses. Yes, I was a warrior , not of the keyboard , I am proud I didn’t cheat, the others, they can live with their dishonesty
Doping is not a speeding ticket.
It kills all what one was loving to begin with in this beautiful sport
It takes the pride and honesty of all you are allround with.. - and yourself
Yeah, well said Sebi. The main problem is as you say that the 'bar' is set artificially high so now people either get injured or depressed failing trying to get over it ...
You don't know how much you will be missed! Thank you for everything!
As an ex sports journo I dont know where Sebastian has been living the last 25 years (maybe under a rock) but doping in triathlon is as long as your arm. Shall I remind everyone reading this of Sydney 2000 where maybe 30% of the field were doping including 4 of the medalists on the mens and womens, not much change in Athens with Kate Allen or Vanessa Fernandes in 2008, or who can forget the biggest cheat of them all, Nicola Spirig.. unless the media shills and the yapping dogs (including the pros) refuse to call this out then this sport will continue to live in denial, the fact Chartier got caught is purely accidental and to believe they're aren't others is like believing in unicorns.
Good points....you grew from feisty young pro into the zen guru champ....u made triathlon better❤
I heard Mark Allen WAS a zen guru champ, hugh !!! let me laugh ! high on juice, not on mantras.
@@jaimecorvus6373 i mean that sebbie has some of the best mature perspectives and that his approach and musings can teach a lot
He was certainly doping pre-Dallas, that much is clear. Hopefully the truth will come out in time. Good luck for race season Sebi!
Great video respect for you. Have enjoyed following you you will be missed.
Lionel has the same coach and lived with dude but he had no idea lmaooooo ya right
Haha yeah just like Jake (Zane Robinson's brother - another EPO drug cheat) runs identical times basically but is full natty 😂😂
well you can easily hide injecting 4x a week from someone, and on the other hand why would he ever tell him, at the end it’s still his competitor who does everything to beat him
@ how naive are you lol…. They even have the same coach, you think the coach doesn’t know given the levels of scientific testing they do…. You think Lance teammates at postal who were coached by Ferrari were clean too?
@ Lionel looks like he's taking test maybe wrong on that. I'd wager him and most the top guys are doing epo including these vocal athletes jumping on a man whose down in Colin. I don't care for dopers, but I understand why. You want the money, sponsors, women... you ain't getting as a natty hahaha
See you on the line in Frejus, and then probably cheer you on at Norseman! It looks a fantastic calendar you've set this year. Looks so good that there could be a danger of you cancelling your retirement.......
...I was coming into some really good form and looking forward to the weekends race but I picked up a virus and unfortunately my Dr says that I can't do the race.... this is typically said when doping timing is done wrong (I think). Lance Armstrong was crushing his return to Triathlon which may have helped lead the way for other pros in tri to follow. Only saying what I saw and heard.
The trainer of Collin is the brother of the current Ironman world champion…I really hope that this is just a coincidence, but it’s hard to believe 😢 absolutely sad for younger athletes
I mean, regardless of this fact, it's highly unlikely the Norwegians aren't doping. If it looks like shit and it smells like shit, it's probably shit.
nowegians are both in olympic testing pool. that's different calibre.
@@timvanmonero2720 And yet, throughout history, cheating has always been one step ahead. Testing is, and nearly has to be reactive to methods of cheating. They will be caught retroactively when new testing comes out in line with new methods of cheating. Not to mention the fact that their team is at the forefront of physiology and potential ways to improve performance, both natural and otherwise.
@@timvanmonero2720 just because they’re in a tougher testing pool doesn’t mean shit.. It’s easy to to pass the test.
I doubt the sport has ever been clean.
When it was common for guys like Norman Stadler to be training with Jan Ullrich and his team it’s hard to not think it was going on.
This is Soul Destroying For Genuine Athletes like yourself Seb, There Has to be Trust, in your fellow Athletes, Or they Have to find a way to test them all before the start of each Race, The Organisers Have to find a way to make it clean sport for Everyone!
Triathlon is a very expensive sport. Development of a young athlete to get them to the point where they could go pro and earn some of that exorbitant cost. Triathlon is an affluent sport. I know everyone says it is about doing your best and winning is not everything. But when you are a pro you don't train to loose and your sponsors don't pay you to just do your best. Are companies in business to loose? Are militaries developing to loose? Everyone is so surprised of cocos behavior!? To me it is natural to do everything to win. Like you said Sebastian, participation doesn't pay the bills.
My trust in the sport has all but vanished. Unfortunately I’ll question every result. One of the appeals of the sport was the pinnacle of performance the pros are at and how I could compare my mediocre stats against theirs. It made me respect their dedication and commitment. Well that’s gone now as nothing feels “authentic” anymore
Respecting faster peoples dedication and commitment is delusional if you are basically training the same as many try to do. It is in the genetic gifts some are given and some are not. There is nothing more magical a top performer does, compared to a 5-10th percentile performer. I call it lucky blood nowadays; the best have lucky blood, mine is decent but not as lucky. Respect should be given to all that put in the efforts, and maybe. more respect to those that don't have lucky blood, because the glory doesn't come to them with the same training efforts.
I played high school, college and NFL football clean. I was one of very few, I’m sad to say.
Collin isn't the ONLY ONE!!!!!!
Hey Sebi, do you somethimes drive longside the river wuerm between Pforzheim and Weil der Stadt?
Would appreciate to ride there with you :)
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
I feel like its mostly the people, who don't do sports, who just say everyone dopes. Its because they do not understand, that even the cheaters have to train very hard and disciplined, and then they give themselves an unfair advantage in order to achieve some stolen valor. Many people think something like Lance Armstrong could have just sat in his mum's basement playing computer games, then dope some and win the Tour the France.
Also it is, that in their mind it feels good to explain, that it is normal and good to be physically inactive, painting a picture in the brain of 2 camps. Normal people and those crazy workout people on steroids.
Everyone who ever trained hard and disciplined should know, that there is a lot more flowing into the equation, like passion, mindset, talent and much more.
But anyway, where is the sport going?
There should probably be tighter controls and canceling a race should probably lead to an automatic doping control in order to help out the image of the sport. E.g., now Sam Lieto and Laura Philipp raise eyebrows canceling a race after Chartier was caught. Why not just disprove the accusations? It would not hurt, I assume.
Or would a split into 2 classes of races possible? One with clean athletes and another one with athletes under legalized doping use. This would be comparable to sprayed vs. organic vegetables. The fans would split up too. On the one side you would have those, who are just impressed by bigger, faster, stronger. On the other side, you would have those impressed by passion, spirit and inspiration.
Maybe not doable, that idea just popped into my mind.
Cheers all!
Nice idea in theory. But unfortunately the doping free category will likely still have many doped athletes. See "natural" bodybuilding or powerlifting for example...
More will surface. Just watch
if there is one there should be many... I am also surprised that he is surprised
Doping - for the guys who aren't good enough.
dope video
it will be like cycling , Triathlon will make a big 'show' of being clean , but the athletes will stay ahead of the testing and the doping will continue. The thing I am curious about is how doping effects different people in different ways , I bet some athletes get a much bigger performance boost than others , so a guy like Charter can go from a mid pack guy to the top , whereas someone essentially " better" than him could take the same drugs but not get the same end result. Look at a Flora Duffy , a very suspicious trajectory from good but not great mid pack athlete to total world domination. If we accept others in her field are also doping , why are her results so spectacular? I feel for Sebastian , he seems visibly deflated and sad , but he is either super naive or just trying to save his sport that he knows is corrupt from a total collapse....
Lance never tested positive for a drug test…remember that
Exclude the entire team for 2 years is collective punishment. Top to bottom, rider, sportdirector, mechanics, doctors, masseur, the entire team. Only way in my way of thinking.
Colin destroyed HIS career in sport. His dreams and his work. Perhaps he was suffering from some sort of depression....nobody knows. People do horrible things in depression. Some buy a rifle and shoot 30 people. Some kill themselves. Colin shot EPO in his ass. Sport will go on, weaker people will fall off the bandwagon. Stay positive.
Any time you win an event you should be tested, simple as that. If the higer ups wanted a clean sport then it would be. But whats the fun in that
Not simple as it’s sounds like, they can hide it, they’re managed by doctors who knew what they’re doing. Sadly, not as simple. Eg, who will check athletes in small towns in Kenya? Or the mountains of Slovakia? Sad.
Shelf life on some of the drugs is insanely fast.
@@aptrendz1815 i can tell you that they do, i remember an interview of a pro cyclist who had to give up coordinates of every camp that he wanted to stay in before being allowed to go hiking in south america. They want to know where u are every night and test you whenever they want. After all, all that is left for us is to believe that the systems in place are working.
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doping is not a new issue in triathlon. how come Mark Allen beat Dave Scott in 1989, although he never was able to even finish clean the line in Kona ? we'll know some day...
I tried to explain to the cycling world there was a chance we can save cycling.
The equalizer to the steroids was the advanced training I created 20 something years ago
I tried to explain this to every organization but I was blocked and ignored.
Structured training in cycling was the equalizer to the steroids.
But once steroids is involved, we're back at ground zero again.
It's over now. We are way past the point of saving cycling.
This had to happen around 8 years ago.
The cycling industry needs to keep its athletes dirty in order to keep control of them. That's the only agenda that is clear.
The minute any one of them steps out of wine they are found dirty.
The reason why Lance was exposed was because he was not listening. They told him to back off and not monopolize the sport. He did not listen.
He chose his legacy over the cycling industry and that's why they made a example out of him. Not because he doped more than others. That's just ridiculous.
These satanists running all sports. Don't care about fairness. They care about controlling the superstars.
The party where you talk about liars. It's a tremendous problem in our society. I believe that 90% of the population lies and does not feel guilty about it because it has become part of society to just be a filthy liar
Teen doctors 💊 💉
3 mins in and I still have no idea what I'm watching?
Leider gibt es Doping überall im Leistungssport. Egal wohin man schaut. Im Radsport schlägt es ständig hohe Wellen, es war nur eine Frage der Zeit, bis es im Triathlon den ersten großen Fall gibt. Leider, so ein Mist…
Doping is nothing but a definition of what is forbidden. So being clean is everything else. I love sports, but I have no illusions. To me, the doping discussions is nothing but hypocritical.
Not surprised any more, I only ever raced at club level and it was happening there. Made me realise there was no point competing at all. So now only ride for fun.....
Will never watch it again.
"I still think that 90% of the field is competing clean." If 10% of the pros are taking performance enhencing drugs, it basically means that every non-doping pro is not competitive for podium finishes or victory.
listen closely, he said 99
@@wattier8218 does not make much of a difference at all
Ian's clean Sebastian clean Sam and Lionel are clean. I don't think the Norwegian are clean, and that includes the ingerbrtsens
It's always amazed me with so much money in the sport why the top 10 pro's cant just be tested in every race,WHY NOT?????......
100% sure some top age groupers cheat guys
Doping athletes, There's a surprise. It'll be cycling next.........
As someone who has struggled with obesity my whole life, I've joking thought that anyone who can do an ironman is cheating. But, meeting a couple people who have become triathletes, I've started to follow their progress and the sport as a whole because it's been a great source of motivation. With doping in the picture, however, that changes everything. The suspicion alone is embittering and a huge turn-off. I feel bad for the honest, clean athletes. However, if you now have that seed in your mind of, "What's the point in competing?" then you're in the same boat and poisoned mindset that I had as someone who was 300+ lbs.
Believe in the good and you will win. Overcome the bad with the good in you, my brother.
I have friends who did ironman. They are not top athletes, they just competed for the sake of it and finished.
They don't need drugs to complete an ironman. They don't need to win to join. They joined for themselves, not for a medal, recognition, nor social media. Sport is not just a job, sport is also for fun. They joined for fun.
Unless it is your livelihood. Not everyone who does triathlon makes it their livelihood.
10% gainer and almost impossible to get caught. Be dumb to not be on it (they all are).
Better music…😂
You gotta make your videos over 10 minutes to monetize them!! 😊
That don't even make sense.
Weren’t Seb retiring?
Dope, win. Deny it for years. Then when the game is up, tell everyone keep your millions and in the process make more money than you ever did when you were competing. Athletes have been doping for centuries, why would anyone think that would change. Only the delusional.
C'mon, the base assumption is every pro cheats. Doesn't have to be just peds, but all the tech involved (lighter/faster/stronger). So the quaint notion that people think any sport is clean is ludicrous. Honestly, unless you all eat/sleep/train the same way, how do you really determine who is best? I suspect the guy with the most resources/time will always be at/near the top, even if not the best physical specimen.
If you don't dope you won't cope. If you don't take it you wont make it. Winners get paid, winners get laid.
Lol
Sry but in every sport where u can earn some money, Doping is gonna be everywhere, regardless if it’s common „knowledge“ due to previous scandals or not. Even more in endurance sports. I havent trusted ANY pro athlete in high class endurance sports when it comes to this topic, even before this incident. I don’t trust you, kipchoge, nobody. It’s just more likely that a pro endurance athlete is doped/has doped in some way. I don’t even jugde them for that. I admire the accomplishments either way, it’s hard work with or without doping, I don’t care. But everybody who thinks dopers are an exception is just delusional.
How naive do you think we are? Everyone knows doping is universal
Cheating, let alone doping, is universal in virtually all sports (lesson courtesy of Lance Armstrong).
When are people going to realise doping in US athletes is as bad as any country .just look at their whole system theres a reason the nfl run their own drug testing and penalties are minor.
Sebi, Have you reached out to Collin to get his take on this issue, please a hipocrate! GG! All the best next weekend at Pto eebeetha, Espana
I believe more or less everyone makes doping , what do i mean with that ?
All (or nearly all , of the TOP athlets train in the alpes or mountains , and came down for the events !!!
For example ( Daniela Ryf , Laura Philipp and a lot other people do that also !
I believe this point can create untill 20% better performance !
I tested this once by myself , was the day before in the swiss alps , (ca 1200 meter over see level) and made a run next day , on ca 400 meter over see level , the feeling was , all was much easier , like round ca 20% more power , and i was feeling my body condition was much better !!!
Sounds like placebo to me. 1 day at altitude is going to do nothing for you physiologically. The rest of your argument based on your lack of understanding of physiology is equally dubious.
Everybody in high level triathlon IS collin Chartier ! see the performances, 7: 42 in Kona, Allen & Scott way miles behind , I just can't believe it.
you can't be serious comparing Allen&Scott to today's Pro Athletes, it would be the same to compare Maradona and Christiano Ronaldo 🤣
@@mattia_pastore Maradona was way better than Ronaldo.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 lol
You cant seriously compare that !!! On You Tube there is a clip , compares a normal road bike in the wind tunnel with a TRI -Bike , by a speed of ca 45 km , the TRI -Bike , in best body position safe 150 Watts against a road racing bike !!! They say in this clip, that can make 42 minutes time difference !!!
And best Triathlets go in the wind tunnel ,to save as much Watts as even possible , like in Formula 1 !!!
Best , screw on every point the can, to get better, from nutrition , new swimm suits, till the bike !!!
@@user-kn1tc And dope too; Iden's marathon after those "wind tunnels" (didn't gave a single kick apparently) 2:36 ?! is this a joke ? no way, we're not that dumb ! by the way, heard of Collin Chartier ? PTO seems to be rather like EPO. lol
Common man, just keep your mouth shut if u urself don't wanna get busted, u don't win a professional triathlon clean. Good analogy to what lance did, am a great fan of lance, not coz he doped, but coz of his charisma, u know everyone at the top dopes, no need to throw shade on ur mates.
Every professional endurance athlete has to perform on some specific very limited timeslots in each year. And has to be better than his professional counterparts. There is limited testing.....
So : " the winner takes it all".
BTW:
- where does doping start?
- are fruit shakes with some added "Powder" just nutrituion or are they performance enhancing?
I hated Armstrong. But he did what all the other guys did. Ok: he even got over the limit there. But if he would been euopean, he would be still "untested".
Now: RedBull sponsorship....
Normally you literally have to kill yourself ( or simply be the best everytime) to be sponsored by that "performance enhancing drink" manufacturer. Hmmmm...
No pressure to perform well on "the big event"? Really?
Well: the competition just found a better way to "prepare" themselves.
Or they changed their " nutrition".
Every sucsessful top athlete in endurance is "enhanced". Just because their "enhancement" isn't on any banned list does not make them better.
Take your money, and stop crying about it.
😂😂 don’t be silly… especially the jock with the protein powder. I kind of understand your point but bringing it down to this is just too easy.
It’s naive to believe that doping has not been going on in our sport for years.
You’ve probably raced people who have doped many times 🤷♂️
ah, kienle again. hating the keyboard warriors. just because you never got caught... better shut up.
Stealing this idea from a writer writing about war: Doping will be w us in sport till collectively we think it is disgusting
Only riders have the power to spread that word: it is disgusting. I am disgusted.
Same w soldiers