These animals are not pets they are tools for a trade like cows n pigs n sheep etc .a lot of the general public see them as pets that's where the problem is no one wants to see them get hurt but unfortunately it's all part of the sport
it was more towards their is no monetary benefit to the owners or stable staff, the owners have to pay the t.fees, the entry fees, the increasing bha admin fees for each entry and declaration, the jockey riding fees, the perosnal injury insurance (for jockey fees) along with the travelling costs, farrier and vat bills, solely to enable to get the horse to the track - so there should of been something considered within the David Power Cup for the owners/stable members...
There’s a simple solution IMO, reduce the fixture list which lead to more competitive racing, bigger betting turnover and increased prize money. Jockeys only get 6.5% for a win and 3.5% for a place and as you say, owners are being fleeced!
Not trying to be clever but I’ve been saying for years that those post race interviews as soon as the horse has pulled up and someone runs out with a long handled mic and sticks it under the jockeys nose are a bad idea for the exact reason of what happened on Sunday ! I think now would be a good time to scrap them they’re pointless anyway no other racing broadcaster does them and to be honest the first people a jockey should be speaking to after a race are the trainer and the owners then the media can have their debrief afterwards. Seems crazy to spend so much time and effort trying to promote racings public image to then be showing scenes of a horse collapsing which were totally avoidable.
That’s very harsh Luke. The American, Australian and French broadcasters do the exact same thing. The horse had a cardiac event, there was nothing anyone could have done. This is an emotional story and people are rightly angry, but no one is to blame.
That’s very harsh Luke, the American, Australian and French broadcasters do the very same interviews, only difference is the Americans do them on horseback. The horse suffered a cardiac event, there was nothing anyone could have done. It’s an emotional topic and people are rightly angry, but no one is to blame. Thank you for watching and for your comment. You’re entitled to your opinion and I respect you for expressing it, but I disagree with you.
@@FinalFurlongPodcast oh yeah to be clear I’m not blaming anyone for what happened in any way so sorry if that’s how it came across 😅 I was just saying I think that particular style of interview needs to be scrapped. I know they do it in other countries and to be honest I don’t agree with it there either. They don’t do it on the racing tv or sky sports racing channels and they still manage to get all the information they need so I just don’t think it’s necessary to be sending a presenter and a cameraman out on to the track straight after the race when the jockey and horse have barely had a chance to get their breath back.
If you look at the statistics there are more horses killed due to flat racing than jumps racing .be careful what you wish for animals and humans die in all sports it's part of life
If it's a tiny % of horses that have heart attacks why have Pauling and Henderson had 2 each in 18 months? Pauling used to work for Henderson, of course.
@niall3973 not of the overall amount of cardiac incidents. If there's been 20. One trainer has had 10% of them. And his ex boss has had another 10. And Pauling had an "irregular heartbeat" with a different horse. And he had another horse collapse but recover. 💀
@niall3973 we choose timeframes all the time. For instance the racing post trainer form is last 2 weeks. I can pretty much choose what timeframe i like im afraid.
Have to be honest Emmett I couldn't give a sh*t about Rishi and Alice Plunkett. Two who would cover up anything to keep the show on the road (just my opinion).
Can I play devil's advocate here? I’m a racing fan who struggles with the amount of deaths and injuries to horses. I don't believe it is acceptable that 200 horses die on the tracks each year and I do believe the days of jump racing are numbered. The brutally honest question is, how do we manage this decline and at the same time protect flat racing? Because that is the future.
Thank you for your comment. Let me ask you: Do you enjoy watching National Hunt horses showcase their incredible talent? Do you think the horses you see racing are loved and well cared for? What would the alternative be if there were no jumps racing? Would you trust PETA to care for them, considering they euthanised over 73% of the animals in their care between 2010 and 2020? PETA’s founder believes humans should have no interaction with animals-not just racing horses, but even owning pets. If National Hunt Racing were banned, it would cause the biggest equine welfare crisis in Britain since the First World War. The fact that you feel bad about what happened on Sunday is a good thing-it shows you're a compassionate person. We all felt awful. But don’t get it twisted: horse racing needs horses, and horses desperately need horse racing. Without the industry, these magnificent creatures simply wouldn’t exist. And if you think Animal Rising would look after these horses if the sport were banned, think again. They have publicly stated they would do nothing to help and instead advocate for horses to be left in fields. If you have a strong stomach, I encourage you to look up the Oostvaardersplassen nature reserve in the Netherlands, where over 3,300 deer, horses, and cattle died from starvation. Ignore the virtue signallers who conflate animal rights with animal welfare. At best, they are naive fools; at worst, they are truly vile individuals who know exactly what they are campaigning for. Thanks for watching.
Can't agree with you on this one Emmett. Where's the podcast on editorial bias on Nick Luck podcast or the Racing Post? Basically youse (media) have been hoisted by your own petard.
There’s a significant difference between a specialist horse racing podcast and a national news program on a legacy media broadcaster airing a biased story. The latter allowed propaganda from an extremist animal rights group to be presented as fact, without disclosing that their primary objective is to ban the breeding of horses and abandon all existing horses in fields, ultimately leading to the extinction of the thoroughbred breed. This is something they justify by claiming, “there are wild horses in fields in Scotland.” The report featured no spokesperson from the BHA, Jockey Club, or ITV Racing to provide a counter-narrative. While a football podcast is naturally going to be biased in favor of football, a national news broadcast is expected to be objective and present both sides of the story. A conspiracy theorist might view this as a hit piece and an attack on racing. They might also question why Animal Rising continues to receive platforms on ITV without being challenged on their broader agenda for equine care or their own admissions that their actions would lead to the extinction of thoroughbred horses. Why is that?
@FinalFurlongPodcast thats just how news works now. No point getting riled up about it. If you watch Channel 4 news Chris Kaba was the victim. If you watch a diff channel its "dangerous gunman off the streets". Cest la vie.
He said on ITV, “If the BHA aren’t careful, there could be a breakaway racing league.” Everyone knows the Racing League has failed-attendances are dreadful, and viewing figures are very low. He wants the Grade 1 races at the Dublin Racing Festival turned into handicaps because of Willie Mullins' dominance, despite the Graded race programme being one of the most attractive aspects of Irish racing for both British and Irish owners. He also wants the Grade 1 Turners Novice Hurdle turned into a handicap, despite it being the race that has produced stars like Istabraq, Hardy Eustace, Denman, The New One, Simonsig, Faugheen, Envoi Allen, and Ballyburn. Only bookmakers want more handicaps, so campaigning for this is a bizarre stance. That said, he spoke eloquently against the animal rights extremists. While he would make a good spokesperson, he would be a questionable leader. Thanks for watching 👍🏻
These animals are not pets they are tools for a trade like cows n pigs n sheep etc .a lot of the general public see them as pets that's where the problem is no one wants to see them get hurt but unfortunately it's all part of the sport
it was more towards their is no monetary benefit to the owners or stable staff, the owners have to pay the t.fees, the entry fees, the increasing bha admin fees for each entry and declaration, the jockey riding fees, the perosnal injury insurance (for jockey fees) along with the travelling costs, farrier and vat bills, solely to enable to get the horse to the track - so there should of been something considered within the David Power Cup for the owners/stable members...
There’s a simple solution IMO, reduce the fixture list which lead to more competitive racing, bigger betting turnover and increased prize money. Jockeys only get 6.5% for a win and 3.5% for a place and as you say, owners are being fleeced!
Not trying to be clever but I’ve been saying for years that those post race interviews as soon as the horse has pulled up and someone runs out with a long handled mic and sticks it under the jockeys nose are a bad idea for the exact reason of what happened on Sunday ! I think now would be a good time to scrap them they’re pointless anyway no other racing broadcaster does them and to be honest the first people a jockey should be speaking to after a race are the trainer and the owners then the media can have their debrief afterwards. Seems crazy to spend so much time and effort trying to promote racings public image to then be showing scenes of a horse collapsing which were totally avoidable.
That’s very harsh Luke. The American, Australian and French broadcasters do the exact same thing. The horse had a cardiac event, there was nothing anyone could have done. This is an emotional story and people are rightly angry, but no one is to blame.
That’s very harsh Luke, the American, Australian and French broadcasters do the very same interviews, only difference is the Americans do them on horseback. The horse suffered a cardiac event, there was nothing anyone could have done. It’s an emotional topic and people are rightly angry, but no one is to blame. Thank you for watching and for your comment. You’re entitled to your opinion and I respect you for expressing it, but I disagree with you.
@@FinalFurlongPodcast oh yeah to be clear I’m not blaming anyone for what happened in any way so sorry if that’s how it came across 😅 I was just saying I think that particular style of interview needs to be scrapped. I know they do it in other countries and to be honest I don’t agree with it there either. They don’t do it on the racing tv or sky sports racing channels and they still manage to get all the information they need so I just don’t think it’s necessary to be sending a presenter and a cameraman out on to the track straight after the race when the jockey and horse have barely had a chance to get their breath back.
sort of bullshit ed chamberlin wants
Why don't itv just stop covering the racing and hand it over to racing TV where the real fans can watch in peace
Or better still ITV just pay Racing TV for a slot on Saturdays (and festivals) and bin the entire ITV racing team (with the exception of Ruby).
Well said both
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Many thanks 💪
@FinalFurlongPodcast Thanks for the informative passionate debate and discussion always. One of the best racing podcasts 👍
If you look at the statistics there are more horses killed due to flat racing than jumps racing .be careful what you wish for animals and humans die in all sports it's part of life
WW1 was very hard on the horses here in The Big Valley too.
If it's a tiny % of horses that have heart attacks why have Pauling and Henderson had 2 each in 18 months? Pauling used to work for Henderson, of course.
Statistics don't work like that, you don't get to choose the timeframe. Also 2 in an 18 month time frame is a small percentage
@niall3973 not of the overall amount of cardiac incidents. If there's been 20. One trainer has had 10% of them. And his ex boss has had another 10. And Pauling had an "irregular heartbeat" with a different horse. And he had another horse collapse but recover. 💀
@niall3973 we choose timeframes all the time. For instance the racing post trainer form is last 2 weeks. I can pretty much choose what timeframe i like im afraid.
@@johnh1252 A fair point made. Then I will happily correct my initial statement to read "Good statistics..."
What's the debate when 2 horses die?
Have to be honest Emmett I couldn't give a sh*t about Rishi and Alice Plunkett. Two who would cover up anything to keep the show on the road (just my opinion).
Cmon Emmet the RP is sht. Ive just cancelled my subscription.
Can I play devil's advocate here? I’m a racing fan who struggles with the amount of deaths and injuries to horses. I don't believe it is acceptable that 200 horses die on the tracks each year and I do believe the days of jump racing are numbered. The brutally honest question is, how do we manage this decline and at the same time protect flat racing? Because that is the future.
Thank you for your comment. Let me ask you:
Do you enjoy watching National Hunt horses showcase their incredible talent? Do you think the horses you see racing are loved and well cared for? What would the alternative be if there were no jumps racing? Would you trust PETA to care for them, considering they euthanised over 73% of the animals in their care between 2010 and 2020?
PETA’s founder believes humans should have no interaction with animals-not just racing horses, but even owning pets. If National Hunt Racing were banned, it would cause the biggest equine welfare crisis in Britain since the First World War.
The fact that you feel bad about what happened on Sunday is a good thing-it shows you're a compassionate person. We all felt awful. But don’t get it twisted: horse racing needs horses, and horses desperately need horse racing. Without the industry, these magnificent creatures simply wouldn’t exist.
And if you think Animal Rising would look after these horses if the sport were banned, think again. They have publicly stated they would do nothing to help and instead advocate for horses to be left in fields. If you have a strong stomach, I encourage you to look up the Oostvaardersplassen nature reserve in the Netherlands, where over 3,300 deer, horses, and cattle died from starvation.
Ignore the virtue signallers who conflate animal rights with animal welfare. At best, they are naive fools; at worst, they are truly vile individuals who know exactly what they are campaigning for.
Thanks for watching.
Can't agree with you on this one Emmett. Where's the podcast on editorial bias on Nick Luck podcast or the Racing Post? Basically youse (media) have been hoisted by your own petard.
There’s a significant difference between a specialist horse racing podcast and a national news program on a legacy media broadcaster airing a biased story. The latter allowed propaganda from an extremist animal rights group to be presented as fact, without disclosing that their primary objective is to ban the breeding of horses and abandon all existing horses in fields, ultimately leading to the extinction of the thoroughbred breed. This is something they justify by claiming, “there are wild horses in fields in Scotland.”
The report featured no spokesperson from the BHA, Jockey Club, or ITV Racing to provide a counter-narrative. While a football podcast is naturally going to be biased in favor of football, a national news broadcast is expected to be objective and present both sides of the story.
A conspiracy theorist might view this as a hit piece and an attack on racing. They might also question why Animal Rising continues to receive platforms on ITV without being challenged on their broader agenda for equine care or their own admissions that their actions would lead to the extinction of thoroughbred horses. Why is that?
@FinalFurlongPodcast thats just how news works now. No point getting riled up about it. If you watch Channel 4 news Chris Kaba was the victim. If you watch a diff channel its "dangerous gunman off the streets". Cest la vie.
Bha has a spokesperson robin mounsey?
He’s their Director of Communications, not a spokesperson.
@FinalFurlongPodcast Struthers was much more vocal in that role.
Leader for the sport is Kevin Blake imo
He said on ITV, “If the BHA aren’t careful, there could be a breakaway racing league.” Everyone knows the Racing League has failed-attendances are dreadful, and viewing figures are very low.
He wants the Grade 1 races at the Dublin Racing Festival turned into handicaps because of Willie Mullins' dominance, despite the Graded race programme being one of the most attractive aspects of Irish racing for both British and Irish owners. He also wants the Grade 1 Turners Novice Hurdle turned into a handicap, despite it being the race that has produced stars like Istabraq, Hardy Eustace, Denman, The New One, Simonsig, Faugheen, Envoi Allen, and Ballyburn. Only bookmakers want more handicaps, so campaigning for this is a bizarre stance.
That said, he spoke eloquently against the animal rights extremists. While he would make a good spokesperson, he would be a questionable leader.
Thanks for watching 👍🏻
Kevin Blake turns me off racing with his condescension and completely blinkered points of view.
hahahah leave it out. blake is a little patsy for coolmore.
@@PatrickAlanMcL well said. blake is awful. little big head.
All of the horses you mentioned would have been star performers anyway,it's not a race makes the horse,its the horse makes the race.