The MVP Topsider is better than most of the clear plastic extractors, I have BOTH Types. The plastic ones get brittle and crack, also the hoses used are semi-hard and also crack, and occasionally break off inside your dipstick (a real PIA when it happens). The clear flexible hoses on the TOPSIDER are much better and easier to use. They provide sufficient clairity so you can tell if the unit is still drawing out fluid. Once you near the bottom you will hear the gurgling from the topsider tank signaling you are finished. No need to see the tank filling - the steel topsider tank is much stronger than the plastic types. It also makes draining Transmission Fluid very easy, you will not be able to secure a tall plastic tank under your hood very well if at all. The Topsider sits atop the engine nicely, and can access any fluid with ease. Hope this helps.
Question is: how did you get the car on ramps, once you emptied the oil from the car? Did you use a jack and then placed the ramps or did you run the car? Or magikkk?
Thanks for this video. I get under my R and Alltrack even though everyone is keeps talking about oil extractors. So I'm glad that someone actually made a comparison. But I'll still probably continue to do so just because I like to check things out while under there - make sure there are no leaks or damaged components. Plus, I find it very zen and like to hide under there from the family.
@@zed4me lol this guy. Your engine is fine man. That short amount of time won't do any major damage. A little more wear and tear than one would like but the residual oil in your pan and engine is enough to lube it for that 30 seconds to get it up there. People dont understand that the oil feed to the turbo doesnt blast oil through the bearings, its basically a drip. You didn't boost onto the ramp so no worries with the turbo
There was hardly enough oil left in the sump to provide adequate pressure, not to mention under load to get up the ramps. The turbo isn't the only thing that the oil pump supplies. I'd be more worried about crank and cam journals.
I would love to know how you get the car up on the ramps after sucking the oil out of the sump. Please tell me you did not drive the car up on the ramps.
Good video. I will be changing the oil the conventional way. Top sider way is too slow for me. I also get to inspect the underside for damage while I’m under there.
If you're using a quality extractor, and not the POS topsider, and you warm the oil up to operating temp, around 130º, you will get all of the oil out in under 5 minutes. Thats how it works for me with the MityVac clone I have from eBay when I do both of my MK7s.
Great video, think i will invest in an oil extractor, especially since i'm thinking of adding the full undertray protection which would mean taking that off every time i want to do an oil change.
I bought my Topsider at Northern Tool for $49.00 since the oil plug on my 2005 Escape was stripped..I had tried EVERYTHING to get it out!! So to avoid a whole new oil pan I researched which extractor had the best reviews which was this one, and have never looked back! Even on my 2008 Titan with a perfectly fine drain plug I used the Topsider.... I honestly do not believe he drove that car up on ramps..nobody would run a car with no oil!! He had to have either already completed the oil change and staged the rest for the video or used a jack but I am sure nobody would be that stupid to start a car with no oil!!!
I just got one from Northern Tool. Somebody at the warehouse messed up pretty set me a tow strap, but they corrected their mistake and sent me the right item and I really like the Top Sider
I bought the topsider. I have a 2017 Subaru Outback. I pushed the stick all the way down, but it didn't siphon out that much oil. I had weighed the 5 qt bottle, it was about 10 pounds. I only siphoned out 2 pounds. No matter how far I pulled the stick out, it would not siphon more. I also pushed the stick all the way down, until the tubing was too wide for the dipstick port. What am I doing wrong? Help a girl out please! :)
@@zed4me Any luck? I ended up having to pay for full service oil change. I had wrecked the oil filter trying to get it off. So had to get a stat change the next day.
Have you gotten you oil analyzed to see if your R needs 5K intervals based on your driving style and conditions? Not trying to dissuade anyone from changing more often, although I do believe if everyone only changed their oil when they actually needed to, we'd reduce a lot of pollution.
I haven't, although I would probably still change the oil every 5k for peace of mind. Driving style and conditions change between every oil change and it wouldn't make sense to get the oil analyzed each time, which is both cost prohibitive and wouldn't really change the service interval.
I sent my out out at 5k and they said the oil was still good. They said push it to 7k and send in a sample. See what the numbers are for a 7k interval.
my golf R is semi stage 1 with a JB4, GFB DV+, intake, and BMS pedal tuner. I figure it's worth the time, effort, and price of cutting all my service intervals in half. also good piece of mind that it feels good to take car of my ride
@@zed4me :) I think he or she was wondering if you ran the engine without oil, apparently that is a yes. I would agree that for a few seconds it is not a big deal, but we are on the internet so... BTW thanks for doing this, I was also curious about those things.
@@ericmichel3857 Thanks, that was indeed the underlying question.. Running it without oil pressure (because no oil) should normally be avoided as the bearings and turbo need it badly. Anyway, thanks for the experiment, it's a first for Mk7 R :-)
@@GTI_CHHA oh yeah, I hope it's okay running very briefly with just the residual oil. Whoops. Don't see much data that says it does damage but also not much saying it doesn't hurt either. Oops
While it certainly isn't something anyone would recommend doing, if it was only for a few seconds at low speed the effect should be minimal. I mean the same thing happens every time you start your car because it takes 2-3 seconds for the oil pressure to come up. They say that the majority of engine wear occurs during engine startup. This is also why a low mileage car that is never driven far could actually be in worse condition than a high mileage car that has a lot of highway miles. This is also another reason that many do not like those engine start/stop features they seem to be putting on many new cars. Not to mention all the added wear on your starter motor, all just to maybe gain .2 MPG. So by doing that you probably added a one or two months worth of wear in 30 seconds. So not horrible, but also not something I would advise repeating.
@@zed4me on that car it is which is great and other cars like the GTI and Seat Leon with that engine but most are still underneath. When filters are on top like this an oil change with an extractor makes even more sense.
Not a good test. Since you drove the car up on ramps, you changed the angle of the vehicle and oil pan. The car must be in the same position for both methods. Next time, drive the car on the ramps, use the extractor, then drain from the plug. Regarding your question on running the engine with no oil, your car idles just under 1,000 RPM (revolutions per minute). By the time you started the car, revved it a bit to get up the ramps and shut it down, you probably ran the engine about 2,000-3,000 revolutions without oil. Not a good practice.
Zed you never cease to amaze me, you fastidiously change the oil on your R every 5 thousand miles, yet you drive the car up on ramps with NO oil in the pan and then respond with "OOPS" when questioned ? That's just plain and simple ignorance Doctor ! God help the people you administer anesthesia to. SMH.
We all make mistakes, and I'm asking for data that I did or didn't cause harm. Oops is an appropriate response.. this is a car not a person so I don't know that an apology to anything or anyone is warranted. And I certainly make mistakes as a doctor too, but I take those much more seriously than I do about cars that's for sure. But ow, what a low blow.
@@zed4me I drive a MK7.5 2018 DSG Golf R that's an APR Stage 2+ Let me reassure you that you did no damage. The amount of oil that came out is a sigh of relief. That's enough oil to keep things from seizing up and getting too hot, you used your motor and not your turbo to get up the ramp, I went 10k miles over on a oil change in a car that had 3k mile conventional oil before the engine blew and that was garbage Valvoline oil. Ignore the people stating the obvious. This is just one of those oops mistakes that won't come back to bite you, it's not like you floored it and maxed out your boost in the IHI-IS38 dude. And if you are feeling a little paranoid just put in a bottle of Z-max or a silver can of 4 cylinder engine restorer from Walmart. You would have known that same day if you messed your car up. Sounds, smells, clunking, clanking, ticking, hesitating, white smoke, loss of power, engine and wrench and service light, etc are all indicators that you messed up. If not your good. As far as data to support and back this up just look up videos of how long will a car run without oil and will a car run with.... So and so. You will be fine man 😉 besides that a fully built motor is only 7.5-10k if for some reason an act of God blows it this late down the road 👍
That's a ridiculous statement. People act like there's sediment and sand all swirling around in your oil that settles to the bottom. Whatever microscopic solids weren't caught by the filter are distributed among the entirety of the oil in the engine, assuming you ran it for a few minutes before changing it (as you should, because changing the oil cold is for communists).
@@admiralackbar6721 so then why not just remove the drain plug and drain only a little bit for each oil change? The reasoning is flawed. It takes a long time to settle if the particles are small. If they're big they'll never get picked up in which case it wouldn't even hurt the engine. And if its picked up, it gets filtered out before reaching the engine anyway. For all intents and purposes, there is no different amount of "contaminant" in this last 3% of oil.
When you remove the drain plug almost all of the oil is drained, with it any oil contaminants. The fluid extraction method leaves the a small amount of oil, the lowest amount which is where all of the contaminants have settled (since they are heavier than oil). I'd be willing to bet you have never actually removed an oil pan so you'd be unaware of the kind of deposits left behind. However, i do find it funny to be critized for "flawed reasoning" by a guy who just ran his motor dry. While you'd disagree, it's a good thing you drained the rest of the remaining oil after the starvation. You wouldn't want any of that bearing material you just shaved off to hamper any bearing life that you may have left.
For anyone wondering the Topsider is garbage. I had one a few years ago and it never worked well or at all. The seals were defective and the company refused to help. There are plenty on eBay that are all the same plastic 6.5L design as ECS's Schwaben brand, or the Pela/MityVac design. I own the Schwaben one, which is clone of Pela/MityVac, and it's been great. Ensure you warm you oil to operating temp, around 130º on your oil temp gauge in the multi-function display on your dash. It will extract everything in around 5 min with very light extra pumping.
Agreed. It's been under freezing and the topsider seals are terrible. I had to run the pump under some hot water and open it up and recondition the seals for it to work properly. That's why it took so long too because the oil by that time was not really warm at all anymore. Usually when I use it and the oil is warm, it extracts it pretty quickly, but this time in the cold weather the topsider really didn't work as well as it usually does.
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The MVP Topsider is better than most of the clear plastic extractors, I have BOTH Types.
The plastic ones get brittle and crack, also the hoses used are semi-hard and also crack, and occasionally break off inside your dipstick (a real PIA when it happens).
The clear flexible hoses on the TOPSIDER are much better and easier to use. They provide sufficient clairity so you can tell if the unit is still drawing out fluid. Once you near the bottom you will hear the gurgling from the topsider tank signaling you are finished. No need to see the tank filling - the steel topsider tank is much stronger than the plastic types. It also makes draining Transmission Fluid very easy, you will not be able to secure a tall plastic tank under your hood very well if at all. The Topsider sits atop the engine nicely, and can access any fluid with ease.
Hope this helps.
I have always wondered what the difference is, and you just answered my question. Great!
Love this video, deserves alot of views as I always wondered this, keep it up👊
Question is: how did you get the car on ramps, once you emptied the oil from the car?
Did you use a jack and then placed the ramps or did you run the car?
Or magikkk?
Scared bearing journals, that's how 🤦🤦🤦🤦😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😭
you put the car on jacks beforehand? thats how
@@oniologeanu8481 duuuuh that’s the correct way
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Thanks for this video. I get under my R and Alltrack even though everyone is keeps talking about oil extractors. So I'm glad that someone actually made a comparison. But I'll still probably continue to do so just because I like to check things out while under there - make sure there are no leaks or damaged components. Plus, I find it very zen and like to hide under there from the family.
Good job running the engine on no oil to get it up the ramps
Any evidence running less than a minute on residual oil does any damage to engine or turbo?
Are you really trying to defend running a motor with an empty sump?
@@admiralackbar6721 defend it? No, but I'd like to know if there's data so I know if I damaged my engine
@@zed4me lol this guy. Your engine is fine man. That short amount of time won't do any major damage. A little more wear and tear than one would like but the residual oil in your pan and engine is enough to lube it for that 30 seconds to get it up there. People dont understand that the oil feed to the turbo doesnt blast oil through the bearings, its basically a drip. You didn't boost onto the ramp so no worries with the turbo
There was hardly enough oil left in the sump to provide adequate pressure, not to mention under load to get up the ramps.
The turbo isn't the only thing that the oil pump supplies. I'd be more worried about crank and cam journals.
I would love to know how you get the car up on the ramps after sucking the oil out of the sump. Please tell me you did not drive the car up on the ramps.
He did , better stick to medicine , doesn't have a clue about cars
Good video. I will be changing the oil the conventional way. Top sider way is too slow for me. I also get to inspect the underside for damage while I’m under there.
If you're using a quality extractor, and not the POS topsider, and you warm the oil up to operating temp, around 130º, you will get all of the oil out in under 5 minutes. Thats how it works for me with the MityVac clone I have from eBay when I do both of my MK7s.
Nice video my Golf R brother
just change my oil recently with Canadian brand Motomaster fluid extractor. I also got around 200 mL old oil left over!
5.8 Liters. As fellow MK 7 GTI owner, I appreciate this video, thought there would be a little less oil left in pan.
The real test would be to get an oil analysis done of dirty oil vs oil changed each way (with it circulated/mixed after the change)
Thanks for doing this zed4me!
Hoping that residency is going well!
Great video, think i will invest in an oil extractor, especially since i'm thinking of adding the full undertray protection which would mean taking that off every time i want to do an oil change.
Great point, didn't think of that!
I bought my Topsider at Northern Tool for $49.00 since the oil plug on my 2005 Escape was stripped..I had tried EVERYTHING to get it out!! So to avoid a whole new oil pan I researched which extractor had the best reviews which was this one, and have never looked back! Even on my 2008 Titan with a perfectly fine drain plug I used the Topsider.... I honestly do not believe he drove that car up on ramps..nobody would run a car with no oil!! He had to have either already completed the oil change and staged the rest for the video or used a jack but I am sure nobody would be that stupid to start a car with no oil!!!
I just got one from Northern Tool. Somebody at the warehouse messed up pretty set me a tow strap, but they corrected their mistake and sent me the right item and I really like the Top Sider
How do you clean it after using, thx
Quetion is: How did you get all that oil in with no funnel?! ...Savage!!
I bought the topsider. I have a 2017 Subaru Outback. I pushed the stick all the way down, but it didn't siphon out that much oil. I had weighed the 5 qt bottle, it was about 10 pounds. I only siphoned out 2 pounds. No matter how far I pulled the stick out, it would not siphon more. I also pushed the stick all the way down, until the tubing was too wide for the dipstick port. What am I doing wrong? Help a girl out please! :)
Not all oil systems work with the top siphon method. I would check a forum to see if other people have tried on your car before with success.
@@zed4me Any luck? I ended up having to pay for full service oil change. I had wrecked the oil filter trying to get it off. So had to get a stat change the next day.
@@sunnyw4040 have you checked any forums??
Be sure your oil fill cap is off.
@@jcoats1203 Hilarious
Have you gotten you oil analyzed to see if your R needs 5K intervals based on your driving style and conditions? Not trying to dissuade anyone from changing more often, although I do believe if everyone only changed their oil when they actually needed to, we'd reduce a lot of pollution.
I haven't, although I would probably still change the oil every 5k for peace of mind. Driving style and conditions change between every oil change and it wouldn't make sense to get the oil analyzed each time, which is both cost prohibitive and wouldn't really change the service interval.
I sent my out out at 5k and they said the oil was still good. They said push it to 7k and send in a sample. See what the numbers are for a 7k interval.
my golf R is semi stage 1 with a JB4, GFB DV+, intake, and BMS pedal tuner. I figure it's worth the time, effort, and price of cutting all my service intervals in half. also good piece of mind that it feels good to take car of my ride
Just curious, how did you get it onto the ramps?
Couple of 2x4 pieces of wood to lessen the angle of attack and it rides up quite easily.
@@zed4me :) I think he or she was wondering if you ran the engine without oil, apparently that is a yes. I would agree that for a few seconds it is not a big deal, but we are on the internet so... BTW thanks for doing this, I was also curious about those things.
@@ericmichel3857 Thanks, that was indeed the underlying question.. Running it without oil pressure (because no oil) should normally be avoided as the bearings and turbo need it badly. Anyway, thanks for the experiment, it's a first for Mk7 R :-)
@@GTI_CHHA oh yeah, I hope it's okay running very briefly with just the residual oil. Whoops. Don't see much data that says it does damage but also not much saying it doesn't hurt either. Oops
While it certainly isn't something anyone would recommend doing, if it was only for a few seconds at low speed the effect should be minimal. I mean the same thing happens every time you start your car because it takes 2-3 seconds for the oil pressure to come up. They say that the majority of engine wear occurs during engine startup. This is also why a low mileage car that is never driven far could actually be in worse condition than a high mileage car that has a lot of highway miles.
This is also another reason that many do not like those engine start/stop features they seem to be putting on many new cars. Not to mention all the added wear on your starter motor, all just to maybe gain .2 MPG.
So by doing that you probably added a one or two months worth of wear in 30 seconds. So not horrible, but also not something I would advise repeating.
Ecs has a clear oil extractor for like $70 i think.
Definitely worth the extra $20 over the one I have 👍
I don't know if I can handle pumping that device for 15 minutes. Very good video though,
What a blankety blank . LOL
You haven't sold it to me I will stick to the original way
How do you change the filter without putting it on ramps
Filters at the top
@@zed4me on that car it is which is great and other cars like the GTI and Seat Leon with that engine but most are still underneath. When filters are on top like this an oil change with an extractor makes even more sense.
how do you clean these things
same question
Some say to use diesel to clean it but not petrol..............
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Not a good test. Since you drove the car up on ramps, you changed the angle of the vehicle and oil pan. The car must be in the same position for both methods. Next time, drive the car on the ramps, use the extractor, then drain from the plug. Regarding your question on running the engine with no oil, your car idles just under 1,000 RPM (revolutions per minute). By the time you started the car, revved it a bit to get up the ramps and shut it down, you probably ran the engine about 2,000-3,000 revolutions without oil. Not a good practice.
Stupid is as stupid does
Zed you never cease to amaze me, you fastidiously change the oil on your R every 5 thousand miles, yet you drive the car up on ramps with NO oil in the pan and then respond with "OOPS" when questioned ?
That's just plain and simple ignorance Doctor !
God help the people you administer anesthesia to.
SMH.
We all make mistakes, and I'm asking for data that I did or didn't cause harm. Oops is an appropriate response.. this is a car not a person so I don't know that an apology to anything or anyone is warranted. And I certainly make mistakes as a doctor too, but I take those much more seriously than I do about cars that's for sure. But ow, what a low blow.
@@zed4me I drive a MK7.5 2018 DSG Golf R that's an APR Stage 2+ Let me reassure you that you did no damage. The amount of oil that came out is a sigh of relief. That's enough oil to keep things from seizing up and getting too hot, you used your motor and not your turbo to get up the ramp, I went 10k miles over on a oil change in a car that had 3k mile conventional oil before the engine blew and that was garbage Valvoline oil. Ignore the people stating the obvious. This is just one of those oops mistakes that won't come back to bite you, it's not like you floored it and maxed out your boost in the IHI-IS38 dude. And if you are feeling a little paranoid just put in a bottle of Z-max or a silver can of 4 cylinder engine restorer from Walmart. You would have known that same day if you messed your car up. Sounds, smells, clunking, clanking, ticking, hesitating, white smoke, loss of power, engine and wrench and service light, etc are all indicators that you messed up. If not your good. As far as data to support and back this up just look up videos of how long will a car run without oil and will a car run with.... So and so. You will be fine man 😉 besides that a fully built motor is only 7.5-10k if for some reason an act of God blows it this late down the road 👍
Hey what car do you currently own and drive that is in the Golf R category?
@@zed4me We are all human. We make mistakes. Don't let these comment get to you,
What is in that leftover 2.8% is probably all the contaminants
What is your reasoning for that?
That's a ridiculous statement. People act like there's sediment and sand all swirling around in your oil that settles to the bottom. Whatever microscopic solids weren't caught by the filter are distributed among the entirety of the oil in the engine, assuming you ran it for a few minutes before changing it (as you should, because changing the oil cold is for communists).
Contaminants are heavier than oil, thus sinking and settling on the bottom of the pan
@@admiralackbar6721 so then why not just remove the drain plug and drain only a little bit for each oil change? The reasoning is flawed. It takes a long time to settle if the particles are small. If they're big they'll never get picked up in which case it wouldn't even hurt the engine. And if its picked up, it gets filtered out before reaching the engine anyway. For all intents and purposes, there is no different amount of "contaminant" in this last 3% of oil.
When you remove the drain plug almost all of the oil is drained, with it any oil contaminants. The fluid extraction method leaves the a small amount of oil, the lowest amount which is where all of the contaminants have settled (since they are heavier than oil).
I'd be willing to bet you have never actually removed an oil pan so you'd be unaware of the kind of deposits left behind.
However, i do find it funny to be critized for "flawed reasoning" by a guy who just ran his motor dry.
While you'd disagree, it's a good thing you drained the rest of the remaining oil after the starvation. You wouldn't want any of that bearing material you just shaved off to hamper any bearing life that you may have left.
For anyone wondering the Topsider is garbage. I had one a few years ago and it never worked well or at all. The seals were defective and the company refused to help. There are plenty on eBay that are all the same plastic 6.5L design as ECS's Schwaben brand, or the Pela/MityVac design. I own the Schwaben one, which is clone of Pela/MityVac, and it's been great.
Ensure you warm you oil to operating temp, around 130º on your oil temp gauge in the multi-function display on your dash. It will extract everything in around 5 min with very light extra pumping.
Agreed. It's been under freezing and the topsider seals are terrible. I had to run the pump under some hot water and open it up and recondition the seals for it to work properly. That's why it took so long too because the oil by that time was not really warm at all anymore. Usually when I use it and the oil is warm, it extracts it pretty quickly, but this time in the cold weather the topsider really didn't work as well as it usually does.