Really nice channel you have here:) I also use the Sb29 on my newest project. It does a really great job in the low highs and it can cross over nicely low. Unfortunately it’s pretty directional but that could be due to the big size for a tweeter. Anyways, keep up the great work, cheers!
The JBL LSR series studio monitors use a soft dome tweeter tucked into a waveguide. Not quite a horn but might as well be. It's nearly 4 inches by 6 inches wide. The LSR series are renowned for perfect sound stage and no matter where you go in the room you can hear both speakers clearly.
I got RCF N350, B&C DE250 & DE45. All three sound loud & crysp, but when the DE45 gets loaded with around 30-40 watt, it plays crysp and amazing, cause is 3 kg magnet, with pure titanium diaphragm, espetially on vocals. They do need high power woofer like the RCF lf15p530 or B&C 15PS100 to match the perfect full range sound
Have you ever used the Peerless by Tymphany NE25VTS-04 1" Silk Dome Tweeter. Soumds really good and can take alot of power. Crossed at 2k easily 100w rms. Specs are 80w.
I am choosing between the SB acoustics Satori TW29RN-B-8 and the Visaton KE 25 SC. To pair with a SB acoustics Satori 6,5" woofer. Does anyone have any experience with one of these two?
I'm working with a Utah WD90 box so it has to be like 3.5 to 4 inches, I think 4 inches where the 4 mounting holes are. Also it mounts from the back inside so the front of the tweet needs to have a flat surface area can't be tapered off, and if it sticks out too much it's going to make contact with the woven cloth cover.
Stumbled onto this video and was surprised to see that favorite was compression driver. I'm running Seos12 horns with Radian 475PB compression drivers, which I am able to cross at 1kHz at 18dB slope with dual 8" woofers with analogue active crossover. 107dB sensitive horn/compression driver driven directly from quality amplifier without any passive crossover parts or L-pad sounds extremely pure.
@Stephen Sandre My custom dual-woofer bass module is very similar to the older Wilson Watt/Puppies (the Puppy bass modules). In fact, they originally had the same Dynaudio woofers Wilson used, now replaced by Seas woofers.
That Visa 25mm ring tweeter is a good one. Many years ago I built a two wat with the Skaanings 5” and and a Dyaudio Esotec tweeter. One of the tweeters got wrecked by a hockey stick( don’t ask) and I decided to use the Vifa ring radiator as a drop in. It was cheap and had similar specs. I actually preferred the sound to the Esotec.
I personally love the Phillips 1" and 2" soft dome tweeters for nice crisp highs without that hard twang that you would get from those metal cone tweeters. My other fav I'd the JBL bullets for the really high frequencies at low to mid sound. The jBL 2245j is really good too.
Are you using a L-pad with that horn in some cases to bring it down to match most woofers? Pairing it with an average woofer that's say 89db 1w/1m isn't the 108db horn way over powering?
Another enjoyable video Ryan. Thank you. Would be great if you could compare the the alternative clones of the DE250. This would be very helpful for people living outside the US who can't access the original or the even better DIYSG 360 option at affordable prices or at all. For those of us that would like to try some of the DE250 based Econowave builds or those using the SEOS and 360 combo on Hifi Circuit this would be invaluable information. Options that come to mind include the PRV 290Py, Celestion CDX1-1747, MD Acoustics DE250P and Dayton Audio D250P (perhaps others?)
Can you remember which was that 8" woofer that you used with the horn? What about coupling with the small SB and no horn? What 7" or 8" would you choose to mate with the small SB29? Thanks!
When it comes to dome tweeters I really like the Seas 27TDFC, despite not playing as low as the Dayton RS28A that I used before the Seas. But it's been 10 years since I moved to compression drivers, initially with the B&C DE10 for about 2 years and then finally the JBL 2408H with the JBL 6x6 PT waveguide and ever since I never had the urge to change it, it does such a good job. Eventually I plan on building another set of speakers (this time passive) using the Seas tweeter with the SEOS 8 waveguide to use it in the garage or when doing work outside.
Wonderful videos, sad I only found your channel years later. Do you have any updated recommendations on woofers/tweeters now? Many I find to be out of stock, perhaps discontinued/closed business. I purchased some paper RS180 7" Dayton reference woofers after some entry level research (no measurement tools) and I also picked up some Eminence Delta 10s from your woofer recommendations. I am going to build a center trial enclosure with the Daytons and a Morel CAT 298 tweeter - Crossed at 2500hz . The Eminence woofers I intend to turn into Monitors/Towers for TV and Sim racing use, but no tweeters purchased yet. Working through the speaker building literature so I can properly design crossovers. Ill likely make new enclosures and crossovers for both once I learn that. Any thoughts on a recommended tweeter for the Eminence setup? Thanks
@@ImpulseAudioSpeakers Thank you for the response. Your videos have been great as I work through speaker building material. Wish you and your growing home/family the best.
Hi , thanks ! this was most interesting. I suppose the Beryllium tweeters where to expensive to put in youre top 3 ??? Because my most expensive speakers have beryllium tweeters and they sound verry good . Better then the piezzo tweeters in my other speakers. ( pioneer hpm 910 ) .
Hellooo all i need your suggestions. I was successfull in saving my speakers all these years and that unfortunate, dark bad day has arrived and kids did what they did. I need to recone or replace LF Drivers of my Tascam VL-X5 nearfields?
I was looking into the Denovo Audio SEOS-12 Waveguide 2/3 Bolt Matte with 1-3/8"-18 TPI Adapter with Dayton Audio D250P-8 1" Polyimide Compression Horn Driver like you suggested but both products are no longer available. Any chance you might be able to update this video with new suggestions? I am looking to make some horn speakers to play with my tube amps and need to do it on the cheap.. Big thanks from Windsor Ontario
Jason Hoffer hmm, it will hopefully come back in stock soon. In the meantime it really depends on what you hope to achieve. There aren’t many horns on the market that do what the SEOS does. I’d maybe check out some of the B&C horns.
You have to do something called padding down the tweeter. You use resistors or level adjustment in your active XO to bring the level of the tweeter down. This means the tweeter has more “room” for power because 1 watt will make 107db. Makes it really hard to over power it.
Ever used the sb29rdc-c000-4? Yea thos beryllium are so nice. Gotta watch out for the fakes and alloys cones that arent pure. But they are amazing. Ive heard some.
So now what would be a better speaker system to build; Vifa vs. SB Acoustics? Tweeters with around 5 inch woofers and single 8" sub? Both companies have made your top 3 list, but without building both - How can one deicide which to build? Any suggestions? Thanks
Dave Apex well it would come down to budget at application. The SB costs more but is more robust. Building a home theatre speaker you plan to push hard and have a healthy budget? Go with the SB. Building an apartment speaker on a budget? Go with the Vifa. If using a 5” mid like you suggest either will work very well. I didn’t want to have two similar tweeters like this, but they both are awesome so... take your pick really.
I actually have 3 speakers that use the td-19-05 I believe. I have the Seas version. Would any of these mentioned be a nice substitute for that? Like peerless?
Fantastic videos. I have bought the vifa xt25bg60-04 Tweeter on your recommendation.....Your right, Its sounds great. I was thinking about a wave guide to try with it, Could you point me in the right direction? Thanks. Tony. UK
tony cook I’m not totally up on what is available in the UK, but I believe Monacor had a few waveguides available. Pretty much any of them need the flange cut off and the throat planed down to match the flange on the tweeter. A few people on diyaudio.com have done it with the XT25.
Hiquphon OW1 easily. The RS28F is very smooth, but maybe not for older ears. SB29 and XT25,wonderful. I’ve yet to use a SCAN or Seas tweeter that I like.
So I have both of life of tweeters, the TG30 and the BG60 I actually prefer the BG60. I think the sensitivity is higher and it sounds just better in general for some reason just my opinion. The SB29 is a great Twitter also and i have a pair ( getting more) of the full size ones with the metal faceplate. I'm going to compare them directly against the VIFA eventually. The problem with the Wi-Fi now is they've been sold out so many different times that I think they're made in China now. Luckily both pairs I have are the original made in Denmark. I haven't tried your whole loaded driver recommendation and I don't really care for compression drivers as much as ringdoms or other type of dome feeders simply because the high end is often lacking. But since a sensitivity would be so high that can be shaped. Because you like them so much, I may find an opportunity to try them out just to see because I respect your opinion, and because our taste and tweeters aligns almost identically. Thanks for the review. Another tutor I really like is the Dayton RS 28F-4 Not to be confused with a new crappy Chinese version the RST 28. Really great tweeters It's a soft dome, but it's not a ring dam so it has more dispersion if you don't feel like sitting in the same cheer to listen like the SB 29 lol. Honestly the dispersion of the ringtones isn't as bad as they may look on paper or are people might say. Anyway, I believe the Dayton RS. 28F was made by usher audio I have some usher 7-in mid base drivers that I'm going to do some things with also coming up.
I agree entirely. The RS28 was solid and the BG60 is definitely better than the TG30. For the size though, the TG is really good. I used them in a really small pair of speakers and they worked well. Thanks for checking out the vids.
Tweeter in a 3-way Horn System: Radian 475PB CD with Truextent Beryllium diaphragm; JMLC Horn with one inch throat. Would like to try the Electrovoice DC-One DSP and their Editor One Software in lieu of a passive crossover for active management of horn dynamics, time delay, and crossover characteristics including EQ. SEOS 10 would be a good waveguide choice as well.
Impulse Audio - Radian is made in California and they’ve really built a reputation for excellence in bespoke high end theater and sound reinforcement. They have a very close relationship with Materion’s development of the Truextent Beryllium Diaphragm. Quite expensive but they’ve grown market share for a reason. I think that DSP and the tuning software is the future for acoustically matching horn loaded full range speaker systems to any room or venue. DSP solves so many issues with tuneable driver filters, timing delay, and individual driver dynamic response EQ. I’ve resolved to myself to never use a passive crossover in a 3-way horn loaded system again.
When i was in uni, people got very excited about Beryllium anything due to the toxicity of it's salts. they wouldn't let me make off with an x-ray detector that was being scrapped because of it. And now here it is in some consumer(ish) electronics! anything for good HiFi haha
@@ImpulseAudioSpeakers Their D230-Ti is really good too. I used them to upgrade some Alto PA speakers and it totally made them sound high end and crystal clear.
Hmm. I would probably go with the SB29. Similar sounding and the balls to cross low. It’s pretty expensive though. If looking for cheaper then maybe the Dayton ND28. I haven’t used it in a LONG time. Not sure if it’s priced well or even still produced.
I may be asking too much, but would be great for DIY if you could offer some winning combinations: woofer, tweeter, crossover details. I'm in Europe, and DIYS has some nice products but shipping + tax increases price by 50%. Love your videos, keep on going please.
www.troelsgravesen.dk/Diy_Loudspeaker_Projects.htm Never buy from him but his works look decent, well tweaked and calculated. Lot of variation of choices depending your needs. Since you are in Europe, maybe you should give it a try.. cheers
I prefer Be Dome tweeters. They sound extremely detailed yet lacks any harshness. If it sounds too sterile you could always get a tube amplifier to color the sound to your personal preference.
After years of working with all sorts of dome and ribbon tweeters - I have to say that horns have rocked my world. It’s an adult swim but the results have been more profound than anything else I’ve worked with in my Audio journey.
eksine Its a joke that closed audiophool minds reject superior physics and engineering solutions based on unsubstantiated bias. The BE250 on the SEOS 10 is a very good sounding high frequency setup, with excellent dispersion and directivity. It has efficiency and low distortion AND headroom that sings. The 2446 JBL is a "standard" for headroom and I keep many of them handy.. The Be dias are $600 though, not $ 200. My favored 2" is the BMS 4592ND as it has even lower distortion and greater extension than a 2446.
I am with the horn tweeter crowd. The human ear is very sensitive to distortion, especially in the mid-range of ~300hz to 5khz. And distortion is a function of diaphragm travel, ie the further the diaphragm has to move, the more distortion; so if you minimize diaphragm movement with a horn, you will also minimize distortion. Of course now you have to engineer a suitable phase plug for a compression driver and also a horn. Plus in the manufacturing-level you have to manufacture a phase-plug, in the traditional compression drivers that is machined. Today they are of molded plastic and fiberglass which costs way less. In past research has shown that there are little differences in dispersion between the dome and the cone radiator tweeters, but is a function of driver diameter/size. For best sounds, a horn and compression driver are the way to go, but you pay the price. Speaker manufacturers are in business to make a profit. When you put huge amounts of money into R&D and also in manufacturing, they have to charge the customers appropriately. At retail a typical "run of the mill" compression driver and horn can cost way more than the comparable direct radiator because of the r&d and increased manufacturing costs. Pioneers TAD line is a good example of SotA in beryllium and titanium materials and driver technology, and of course of course the cost of that technology is in stratosphere.
@@ImpulseAudioSpeakers About 50 is huge amount. Thanks for replay. 2 of 3 speakers are cheap. I have only few speakers, seas 27tdfc, Satori, HDS, small illuminator. I thinking about some small tweeter to car. Now I have illuminator. But I need something new. Maybe neodymium seas ?
I know it is well outside of the sort of drivers you might normally buy and listen to, but if you get the chance check out the RAAL 140-15D-AM with the anamorphic core. It will blow your mind.
@@brk932 definitely three way. Although it depends on the model of the RAAL in question, I run as low as the recommended xover frequency, using the recommended xover slope, and never without an external cap.
Bingo.. These are my favorite.. I am using them at 6db/7KHz in conjunction with Fibonacci 1" x 40" hybrid ( capton with applied aluminum foils) ribbons from 300Hz to 7KHz
@@jenniferwhitewolf3784 Sounds like a great combo. Pity I am on the wrong side of the world for a listen. I have heard of people using much cheaper BG Neo 10's with the RAAL as well, but I doubt they would have the refinement of the Fibonacci. Damn can't stop thinking about those "Big Daddies" now. I am using a pair of Scanspeak 12MU Illuminators per side in open baffle config for my mids. Currently using my dipole version of the RAAL 140-15-AMs, there not quite as sweet as my monopoles, but they are still nice.
HAZ-EK9 yes I’ve used scan speak. I’ve had a bad experience with a driver from the discovery line up. Wasn’t a good driver at all. Their expensive stuff is really good, but it’s expensive. This list considered value so because the good scan speak stuff is expensive they don’t quite have the value to make this list. Generally good drivers though.
Just subscribed and liked. Ryan, not being educated on electrical and sound frequency/db (etc.) matters, I don't understand much of what you're talking about. Nevertheless, I enjoy watching your videos, and I can recognized that you know what you're talking about. I have a pair of speakers that I bought about 35 years ago from a place in Vancouver called Speaker City (they have since gone out of business but were around for a long time.) I don't remember much information about the speakers, though they do have a sticker on the front face of the cabinet that says SRC Audio, and, if I remember, correctly, the original (photocopied) info sheet that came with them said "Sherman (or Shermann) Research Company (or Corporation(?) ) Also, I remember that the info sheet said they had beryllium ribbon tweeters and a frequency range of 20Hz - 20,000Hz. I've researched SRC Audio (and variations thereof) and the only thing I can come up with is a company in Germany that goes by a similar name but I have my doubts as to whether they are related to my speakers. There is a company in New Jersey by the name SRC Audio but they've only been around since 2003, so, they're not related, either. The speakers are floor standing speakers, 40" H x 13" W x 11" D. Each cabinet contains two beryllium ribbon tweeters approx. 2 1/2" each, two mid range speakers approx. 4" each, and one woofer approx. 10". (I'm giving "approx." measurements because I'm not sure where, on the speakers, to take the measurements from.) Each speaker has two 2" ports at a 45 degree angle below the woofer. I have no idea what brand of components are in the cabinets. I believe this might have been a (SRC Audio) kit that Speaker City ordered and put together on their premises, though I can't confirm that (I have been told, recently, that the "S" in SRC might stand for "Sandy", the owner of Speaker City. If true, then it's likely they're a pair of speakers of their own design.) Anyways, if you or any of your subscribers/viewers have any info on these speakers, I'd much appreciate knowing more. Also, Ryan, I don't know where you are in Canada, but if you were close enough to my location, I'd love to have you test my speakers (yes, I'd be willing to pay) so that I could get some real info on their performance.
Hey glad you found my channel. I live in Ladysmith on Vancouver Island. Not too far. Sorry I don't have any info on those speakers at all. Speaker City rings a bell, but not SRC.
Overall, I'm happy with the speakers. Unfortunately, due to the configuration of my living room, I can't place the speakers within the room in a way that would best suit the capabilities of the speakers and/or sound reproduction (they're sitting about an inch from the wall.) Generally, when I'm listening to music, I'm not sitting in one spot, trying to be at the point of a triangle, or in the "sweet spot", anyways. When I was first listening to them in the listening room at Speaker City, I was listening to them at a volume that I can't often play in a condo unit (my bad.) At home, I find that, at lower volumes, I need to crack up the bass to balance the sound. I suppose that would seem, somewhat, reasonable being that there's two tweeters and two mid range speakers for each woofer. It might also be that the woofer isn't as sensitive as the other speakers and, therefor, needs greater input before it starts kicking. Who knows? Anyways, I'd love to have them dissected, someday; learn how well they're reproducing sound/frequency ranges, what brand of components are in the cabinets, and what, if anything, could be done to make them even better. If you're interested in providing that kind of service, let me know. I'd gladly make a day trip of it.
Love the videos! Would you consider making a video detailing how exactly to implement a high-efficiency compression horn tweeter into a obviously lower sensitivity woofer?
Chris DeBlanc hmm not sure what to say in a video like that. Mostly use Lpad resistors or gain structure if using active to lower the tweeter level where you need it. The process is the same as regular tweeters.
Impulse Audio thanks. About 25 years ago I rebuilt an old altec cabinet with eminence woofers and a focal Kevlar tweeter it was a very nice sounding speaker.
Hi! Well you obviously seem to know what you are looking at regarding tweeters and audio in general. So do you think the first tweeter you showed, the Vifa, would make a good replacement for the tweeters in a pair of old Advent speakers? Apparently the crossover freq. is right at 1khz which takes quite a few off the list. I am also looking at this one, the Tymphany/Vifa XT25SC90-04 1″ Dual Ring Radiator Tweeter however both of these are 4 ohm units. According to the rear panel on my Advents, they are rated at 6 ohms so as far as real differences between 4, 6 or 8 ohm tweeters, I am lost.
@@ImpulseAudioSpeakers I haven't found anything that is directly listed as a replacement due to the low crossover freq which I gather is correct from all the info I can find. What would you recommend, as an example? Am I on the right track with dual ring tweeters since they seem to cover the freq range?
@@TrySomethingsOnce well the SB can go lower. Still that very low for any tweeter that isn’t horn loaded or with a diaphragm larger than 1.5”. I can’t think of anything that can do that well.
Cost aside , I’d like to use beryllium tweeters if I ever build my dream speakers. Regarding Vifa , I used them decades ago in a car audio install, and it ended up sounding fantastic .
A plastic membrane compression driver is not a tweeter. You need at least a titan. It’s easy to determine which type by FR: a plastic has that remarkable falling deep from 8kHz to 15kHz and then a rocket jump to 18-20kHz. Independently of a manufacturer. All you can make with them is to use a sophisticated crossover to make it flat in a range of 3-5kHz up to 20kHz with a 90dB sensitivity. But the next question then is why a h do you use a compression driver for that if you can take a trivial dome tweeter??
CDs are way more sensitive than a dome tweeter, which adds to dynamics and allows for higher realistic SPL and lower distortion. Also the waveguide provides better directivity.
@@ImpulseAudioSpeakers A waveguide can be used also with a dome tweeter. However I told about a resulting sensitivity after a crossover that fixes the 8-20kHz issue. They are the same. About 90dB. Fortunately we have titanium/beryllium/carbon membranes. Some of them are pretty affordable. A compression driver worth all of these efforts, you are right. A proper one -)
I was wondering your thoughts on the Martinlogan folded motion tweeters I'm assuming your passion in speaker building is for a lot of different audio application like car two channel outdoor or concert forum I'm invested in my surround sound. Just curious your thoughts on ML design with the 6 -8x the surface area depending on model compared to the typical 1 in dome (whatever different materials) type. I'm looking to make or buy some type of atmos celling speakers with nice tweeters ML Vanquish are super nice but very expensive for each more reasonable the motion ic or helo which the only way I would hear or test them is to buy.ok then bye
joe vigil they do have more area, but I’m not convinced AMTs are they way to go. They’re certainly not the wrong way to go, I just haven’t seen many impressive examples. I’d want to hear a pair before dropping a lot of money on them.
joe vigil AMT = air motion tweeter. Is that what you were asking. For atmos I would strongly consider coaxial. They will be point source and that’s important when seated at all different locations with the speaker 5ft above your head.
I'm looking for a small neo tweeter like the SB29RDCN-C000-4. I'm probally going to go with the SB acoustics but have you tried/tested the Peerless NE19VTS-04? or NE25VTS-04? or any other neo dome tweeters other than the xt25-sc90-04? good job explaining real speaker design.
Aaron Wolfram yes I've used a few small neos. Most of them have compromise to get the chamber so small. The sb29 doesn't give up much at all. It's by far the best IMO. But the NEs are pretty good. Haven't done a whole lot with them though. They're priced really well though.
Hey Ryan, Those JBL 2446's w the beryllium diaphragm and the Iwata 300's look really fantastic!! Do you think you could do a video on them? Also, what are the real differences (usability) between the E-jmlc 300 horn and the Iwata 300 in your opinion? I'm building a horn loaded system for sound reinforcement in Vancouver and I'm trying to get as close to audiophile sound as I realistically can. For the smaller tops I'm going to try pairing the Dayton PT2C-8 planar tweeter w the 8" folded horn. However, for the larger sized tops (12" folded horn mids) I'm pretty sure I'll need the efficiency of a compression driver to keep up. These 2446's are quite enticing. Do you think it would be possible to array them (either the Iwata or the E-jmlc) in a vertical fashion and not run into major comb filtering? I'm hoping the vertical dispersion is somewhat limited to allow this possibility. With the addition of the Selenium ST400's for the 8k+ region, it seems like it could be a pretty excellent sounding high end.
Conrad Brander wow that’s a big project. Hard to even speculate how to go about that. I did a couple of videos way back on my phone on my original personal account. They’re pretty bad though. I don’t have the drivers anymore but do have iwata 600s and will be doing a video on them in the near future.
Raymond Cooke no more than just lining it up behind the waveguide. I am very tempted to try and bandsaw the flange off the waveguide and give it a try though.
David Mann the seos 10 can be purchased at diysoundgroup.com but the grt145 has to be purchased from a reseller in the states named Roman. I'll try and track down his details.
@@ImpulseAudioSpeakers Cool thanks. I built a set of home stereo speakers using two 6.5" & the Dayton "Silky" tweeter. Xover point 2.5k (dayton xovers 12db) The 6.5s are the poly cone factory buyout drivers found in the midbass section. I bought 40 of them last yr & will prolly buy a few more cases. Sounds like the Vifa tweeter will work well for my needs. The silky is nice but is limited on its higher end. I listen to a wide array music and think a driver with a better response would help bring all the details out.
Awesome video. Such a helpful channel. Any chance you could suggest some wavegiudes that suit the SB29? I'm sure the info is out there but its eluded me so far. The Dayton waveguide I've heard works doesn't seem to be made anymore. Any other dome tweet and waveguide combos you have found to work well? Thanks!
Myles O-K ring radiator tweeters work really well. Like the Vifa xt25. I’ve had a lot of success with that. I haven’t used any waveguides recently though, so not sure what to recommend. Most of them need to be modified and hacked up so I’d try some cheap ones first.
my Sb neo tweeter is with me for more than 12years , and that time very few people know about it, however, i have been using more than hundred of tweeter for competition or diyproject work
Would by chance still have the frd and zma files for the XT25sc90 tweeter? I am getting ready to start a build with the Dayton rs100-4 with the tweeter and just need to start working out the crossover parts list.
Impulse Audio thanks for the fast response. It seems a lot of people use their replacement diaphragms. I was wanting to try their new 6CRF5130 - 6.5” coaxials with planar ribbons. I also want to use their 5312 Neo’s in a custom outdoor loudspeaker setup I’ve been trying to get worked out for a couple years. We shall see what happens. They were bought out and all their prices went up, so not sure what I’ll do with it yet. Anyway, take it easy!
I had a hunch that Be JBL / IWATA was going to be your fave even though it's crazy expensive and large. Also gotta love those big red Mick Jagger lips lol.
Audio Aficionado - I’ve used domes, ribbons, and pleated diaphragms that were in the same price range. Given what you will spend on the rest of your audio system it’s the most impactful $$$ you will invest.
Do you have any experience with the Seas 27TBFCG? I read about it from Zaph audio's tweeter mismash years ago and decided to give it a try. It's my favorite sounding tweeter that I've used or heard. My hearing rolls off around 15khz so I'm usually not concerned about anything above that lol. The only thing I don't like about it is the cutout as you have to cut out a spot for the terminals.
I find it similar to the XT25 with a smoother top end and seems to have a more natural sound. Even though it's a metal dome tweeter, it's not very bright at all. I've never been disappointed in it. Handles high volumes and power quite well too!
Neil Ballas ya I’ve heard it’s hard to tell it’s metal and sounds very nice. I’ll have to try to find an opportunity to use it. I hear lots of good about it.
I'm from another era and have an entirely different take on tweeters. I have some very different ideas. The first is that tweeters should have the widest dispersion possible. This is exactly the opposite of the way tweeters are designed today and having studied how musical instruments propagate sound the opposite of what they do which is direct most of their energy away from any one listener making reflections important. This is why I studied them and figured out many ways to engineer them. The second best tweeter for dispersion is the Acoustic Research 3/4" dome. This was an improvement over the prior 1" dome. Edgar Villchur inventor of several important innovations in high fidelity invented the dome midrange and tweeter. The 3/4" dome was developed by Roy Allison working fo Villchur. It is a full hemisphere, is not recessed, and is made out of paper which is the best material for speaker cones because friction between the pulp fibers dissipates energy very efficiently eliminating the ringing so typical of metal dome tweeters which IMO are the worst. (Look at Atkinson's FR curves for the new KLH model 5 as an example.) So the tweeter has a falloff of 5 db at 15 khz, 60 degrees off axis. The only better one is Allison's own on his brand which has an elastic section between the central part of the dome and the outermost part. It is driven in such a way that when the center moves outward the outer edge moves inward 180 degrees out of phase. (The MBL speakers do the same thing. The vibrating elements are like slices of melon rinds fixed at one end and being pushed and pulled up and down at the other end.) Not satisfied with the dispersion or power handling capacity of the 3/4' AR tweeter first seen in AR3a Allison used 4 0f them, two facing forward flanked by one on each angled side panel marketed as AR LST and also as Cello Amati by Saul Marantz. In the 1970s AR introduced the first ferrofluid cooled tweeter to increase power handling capacity. My next favorite will come as a shock. It is the endless variants of the Audax AW010E1, a 3/8" tweeter with wide dispersion and frequency response flat to 30 khz. I use them in arrays especially to create reflections and cross them over at about 6 khz with a single capacitor for a single pole crossover. Used in indirect firing arrays their aggregate power handling capacity is enormous and their thermal compression is nil. They do not break up at at any loudness or frequency in their range. For the first 6 I bought from Radio Shack I paid about $11 each. For the next 180 from parts express I paid 28 cents each. And for the last 400 I bought from Parts Express I paid 5 cents each. One of many advantages of these arrays is that their loudness and equalization can be controlled independently of the single front firing tweeter which itself will play at a much lower volume than it would if it had to work alone. Obviously I am not a fan of 2 way designs and my best speaker Teledyne AR9 is a 4 way 5 driver design enhanced with 11 indirect firing 3/8" polys which in aggregate can handle hundreds of watts and reduce thermal compression by a factor of 144. BTW, If you use an significant array of front firing tweeters don't worry about comb filtering. Each tweeter will have comb filtering with every other tweeter. So if you have N tweeters you will have (N-1)! read N minus one factorial which means say if you have 12 tweeters you will have 11 x 10 x 9.... 3 x 2 x 1 sets of comb filters at different frequencies, so many that for all practical purposes they don't exist.
, I don't quite understand compression tweeters. I know they are good and have exceptional sound ( if crossed over properly ) . I usually just use a high quality done tweeter due to my lack of knowledge
Price is irrelevant if your mating that beryllium tweeter in a two-way because you can...$500 tweeter + $300 12 inch woofer crossed over at 1 kh. Top mount the tweeter on top of a woofer box and you have $10,000 speaker. Basically you save money and time with a very good two way. You have to consider that tweeter as mid-range eliminator...
George Zubeck True, he can even get away with the smaller Iwata (600Hz) at ~1kHz mated to a very good 12” mid-bass like the GPA 414 Classics. So more savings in a smaller horn.. Like what this guy did: translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=hr&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=drzlab.com/projekti/altecmini.html&xid=17259,15700023,15700186,15700190,15700248,15700253&usg=ALkJrhi1HBKTb2nUz_-4mWc9SEcX4UXdkQ
Fantastic videos, hope to see more. Ryan, you know your stuff. I knew the DE250 is good, but you pushed to order button for me :) I have 2 coming in. Can't find plastic SEOS waveguides here in Europe, only the more expensive ones in Poland - 100 euro for 1 SEOS10, plus shipping. Is there a disadvantage using a SEOS12/15 besides size/price?
hansik3777 there are actually advantages to using the 12 or 15. I just really like the response and size of the 10 if I'm picking a favourite considering all aspects. If size is not an issue the 12 and 15 are technical better performing.
You're doing great work, Ryan. Keep it up. I know you've got some measurement videos but I'd like to see a detailed one about your measurement jig/cabling/wiring. Also, when is your 3-way project video coming out?
I do have a shop tour video that includes a fair bit of info about my measurement rig. But I would like to do a video about how to measure some day. My 3 way video should get done soon. The XO is pretty much set and I've been enjoying them for a while now. We'll see when I can get to it.
Audio Aficionado I ended up focusing on the version with a Fountek tweeter and Morel dome mid so I stuck to one woofer. Eventually I'll work on a version using the GRT145 and probably two woofers.
I’ve listened to ribbons and they have their advantages, but also their disadvantages. This list is about value, usefulness, sound quality, etc. Basically all factors that would lead me to use a driver.
wa buster horns are very very efficient. Often 100 times more efficient than a dome tweeter. Because of this they can be padded down and use 100 times less amplifier power and much lower driver distortion. On top of that they reduce the amount of sound bouncing off the walls floor and ceiling. This means room treatment works even better. Many other advantages. The only trouble is erratic off axis response, which the SEOS has perfect off axis response horizontally and pretty darn good vertically.
Hate the whole beard phenom......but yours looks great. Awesome channel. I want to build a 3 way with dsp. I have a Rane RPM88, which is pretty awesome (I think). a dsp 3 way project, I would build. I can't invest in all the measurement gear AND build the what is essentially a PA system with veneering, if you think about it.....where did you learn all this?
Hi Jennie. I'm personally not a fan of the beard fad either, so I shaved it off. Sounds like a great project. I hope you go for it and pull it off. I learned this stuff just over the years going to DIY events, books, forums, and even my university courses really helped actually. Especially my physics courses. Nerd stuff. There wasn't any internet like there is now. No youtube that's for sure. But it can be learned by anyone.
I used get speakers from a place called Madisound, they were great and had a wide selection of speakers. They're gone now and the only source I know of is Parts Express. Please name some mail order suppliers of high quality speakers.
jake spivey Madisound is still around and they’re great. Madisoundspeakerstore.com will take you there. There’s also Solen.ca but they ship from Canada. Also check out the lesser known meniscusaudio.com for something between parts express and madisound. I’ve never used them personally but are apparently really good.
Kris Scott the Vifa or the SB? I’ve hammered the SB with stuff that would normally destroy a woofer and not had a problem. I’ve done extensive compression testing on it and it can take a flogging. The Vifa ring radiator I have not tested harshly, but never had a problem. Possibly Krix has not put a safe XO point in their speaker.
Impulse Audio if it is the same as they use in the Krix Nuephonix speakers which is a Australian company, then yes I blown 2 off a Musical fidelity amplifier.
Kris Scott I just googled it and it’s the Vifa. Haven’t pushed that tweeter very hard. They should probably raise the XO point!! They look like expensive speakers too.
Impulse Audio They nice Home Cinema Speakers but I always pushed them hard which in my mistake as they only 4ohms speakers. I currently use Audio Physic Virgo 25 now and haven’t had a problem but they are 5x more then the Krix speakers. Anyway nice vid
Hi Ryan, what about the Dayton AMT Pro 4? and...is there a sealed woofer with high efficiency to match with the amt pro 4? By the way, great channel, congratulation!...
Mauro Ghigliani hi, I haven’t used the AMT pro 4 and so I couldn’t include it on the list. I’d be surprised if it made it anyways. I haven’t seen anything about it that really impressed me. By sealed woofer do you mean a sealed back woofer or a woofer that can be used in a sealed box?
Hi Ryan, sorry for my english...I meant a woofer that can be used in a sealed box, with high efficiency; do you know any good speaker with this characteristic for a three way design? Best regards.
Mauro Ghigliani that sorta depends on what is considered high efficiency and what is a big box. I would recommend the SB woofers personally. They have good sealed performance.
my idea was to use Dayton AMT Pro4, Fostex 208 Sigma as midrange, so the woofer efficiency should be at list around 93/94 db. Your reccomendation is for SB: should be active or passive? SB can be crossed up to 300hz? thank you.
Mauro Ghigliani 93 or 94 dB is pretty efficient. I’d look at the pro woofer options from eminence or Celestion. Depending on your budget you may also like the faital pro stuff. Careful because a lot of pro woofers are not good sealed, like B&C. They have terrible bass when sealed.
Just wondering... you get 108db sensitivity, but which woofer you're going to pair it with? or just put resistor in the crossover and loss all that 108db :D
Alex yes you have to pad it down with resistors or dsp, but that’s extra sensitivity you have in the “tank” for power handling and amplifier headroom. So when you really crank it up the tweeter may see less than 1 watt. That means distortion is lower too 👍
Dimitris Dimos i have a pair. But I havent gotten into it very far. Should easily cross below 1000hz with the right CD. Has a very obvious 650hz horn loading. I imagine it would sound just as good as the 300 but doesnt carry directivity as low to a large woofer.
Dimitris Dimos , Thanks, I have asked them for prices but they’re very expensive and cost of shipping to the US makes it worse, I was wondering there was anybody here in the US selling them.
@@sharepointpro479 Have a look at FaitalPro horns start with these they are great and then look for iwata which are more expensive and higher performance you won't be disappointed!
Both drivers a covered/measured by the german company Hifi-Selbstbau. For 25bucks/year you gonna get excess to all measurements, Boxsimmodels, the Forum and so on. I dont know why nobody (in englishspeaking community) knows about HiFi-Selbstbau, they deliver the best content in the entire world (as far as I know). Pico (one of the two CEOs) is an Audioengeneer at Ford in Cologne and one of the most capable people in the world. Here is the Link to the company: www.hifi-selbstbau.de/ Do you mind giving a shout out to them if you like the content ?
Nik Leiser problem is I can’t read German. I’m as dumb as most Canadians, I only know one language. I will have a look though. I’ve seen the logo before.
I am dumb too because I am not fluent in English, now we got two things in common already XD..... But in all seriousness; the problem is your MINDSET (which is exactly quite a common problem among english speaking people), they argue: I don't have access to German-speaking News, info etc because I don't speak the language aka language barrier, but we have some awesome tools to break the barrier down like Google Site Translator, free Onlineclasses (for foreign languages) and friendly german people (in EVERY ONLINEFORUM)who are willing to help for sure.
Yes Seas T25CF002 and several models of Scanspeak are great also. But to get into the *really* good tweeters, I swear by Gamma VLD12 & 13, while I got ELAC's Jet tweeters in my current speakers. So my top list for tweeters are radically different than for mr Impulse Audio. :)
Ribbons are my favorite tweaters. They sound amazing
Really nice channel you have here:)
I also use the Sb29 on my newest project. It does a really great job in the low highs and it can cross over nicely low.
Unfortunately it’s pretty directional but that could be due to the big size for a tweeter.
Anyways, keep up the great work, cheers!
I would love to see you test this Ceramic Dome tweeter Visaton KE 25 SC - 8 Ohm! Thanks for all you work love the passion you have for it!
Ring radiators are my favorite. Smooth and detailed.
The JBL LSR series studio monitors use a soft dome tweeter tucked into a waveguide. Not quite a horn but might as well be. It's nearly 4 inches by 6 inches wide. The LSR series are renowned for perfect sound stage and no matter where you go in the room you can hear both speakers clearly.
I got RCF N350, B&C DE250 & DE45. All three sound loud & crysp, but when the DE45 gets loaded with around 30-40 watt, it plays crysp and amazing, cause is 3 kg magnet, with pure titanium diaphragm, espetially on vocals. They do need high power woofer like the RCF lf15p530 or B&C 15PS100 to match the perfect full range sound
Have you ever used the Peerless by Tymphany NE25VTS-04 1" Silk Dome Tweeter. Soumds really good and can take alot of power. Crossed at 2k easily 100w rms. Specs are 80w.
I love the SB acoustics. One of the smoothest, softest sounding tweeters going around.
which one they have several I have a set I really like they are actually nvx speakers but made by sb accoustics
@@travisevans7502 SB29RDCN-C000-4.
Everything SB Accoustics makes sounds incredible
I am choosing between the SB acoustics Satori TW29RN-B-8 and the Visaton KE 25 SC. To pair with a SB acoustics Satori 6,5" woofer. Does anyone have any experience with one of these two?
I'm working with a Utah WD90 box so it has to be like 3.5 to 4 inches, I think 4 inches where the 4 mounting holes are. Also it mounts from the back inside so the front of the tweet needs to have a flat surface area can't be tapered off, and if it sticks out too much it's going to make contact with the woven cloth cover.
Stumbled onto this video and was surprised to see that favorite was compression driver. I'm running Seos12 horns with Radian 475PB compression drivers, which I am able to cross at 1kHz at 18dB slope with dual 8" woofers with analogue active crossover. 107dB sensitive horn/compression driver driven directly from quality amplifier without any passive crossover parts or L-pad sounds extremely pure.
drjlo1 that sounds like an amazing setup. I love horns.
Yeah, how does it sound? High and the low what amplifier s did you use crossing at 1 k hertz?
@Stephen Sandre My custom dual-woofer bass module is very similar to the older Wilson Watt/Puppies (the Puppy bass modules). In fact, they originally had the same Dynaudio woofers Wilson used, now replaced by Seas woofers.
The new Chane L series are using the SB acoustic ring tweeters. They are also using SB acoustics woofers in the L series line.
That Visa 25mm ring tweeter is a good one. Many years ago I built a two wat with the Skaanings 5” and and a Dyaudio Esotec tweeter. One of the tweeters got wrecked by a hockey stick( don’t ask) and I decided to use the Vifa ring radiator as a drop in. It was cheap and had similar specs. I actually preferred the sound to the Esotec.
I personally love the Phillips 1" and 2" soft dome tweeters for nice crisp highs without that hard twang that you would get from those metal cone tweeters. My other fav I'd the JBL bullets for the really high frequencies at low to mid sound. The jBL 2245j is really good too.
Are you using a L-pad with that horn in some cases to bring it down to match most woofers? Pairing it with an average woofer that's say 89db 1w/1m isn't the 108db horn way over powering?
IowAudio Review yes it always needs an Lpad. Even with really efficient woofers like pro woofer it requires an Lpad.
3. XT25BG60
2. SB ACOUSTICS SB29RDNC
1.Denovo Audio SEOS-10 with Denovo Audio DNA-36 BCde 250(out of stock or something)
Could you tell the difference in sound between: vifa xt25sc90-04 and Vifa XT25BG60-04.
Another enjoyable video Ryan. Thank you.
Would be great if you could compare the the alternative clones of the DE250. This would be very helpful for people living outside the US who can't access the original or the even better DIYSG 360 option at affordable prices or at all. For those of us that would like to try some of the DE250 based Econowave builds or those using the SEOS and 360 combo on Hifi Circuit this would be invaluable information.
Options that come to mind include the PRV 290Py, Celestion CDX1-1747, MD Acoustics DE250P and Dayton Audio D250P (perhaps others?)
Can you remember which was that 8" woofer that you used with the horn? What about coupling with the small SB and no
horn? What 7" or 8" would you choose to mate with the small SB29? Thanks!
Scanspeak ss9500 and Hiquphon are favorites after 15 years. Followed by Xt25 and rs28 .
It's a shame the RS tweeters are now down. The RST's aren't exactly drop in.
When it comes to dome tweeters I really like the Seas 27TDFC, despite not playing as low as the Dayton RS28A that I used before the Seas. But it's been 10 years since I moved to compression drivers, initially with the B&C DE10 for about 2 years and then finally the JBL 2408H with the JBL 6x6 PT waveguide and ever since I never had the urge to change it, it does such a good job.
Eventually I plan on building another set of speakers (this time passive) using the Seas tweeter with the SEOS 8 waveguide to use it in the garage or when doing work outside.
Corrado VRz the SEAS 27 is one I've never even heard yet despite its huge popularity and value.
I really like it and even tho I haven't used it in a while it's the only dome tweeter that I have kept and don't plan on getting rid of it.
How do you taje out the DH3 FROM THE CABINET Sx100 ev
Sorry, I’m not sure what you mean.
Wonderful videos, sad I only found your channel years later.
Do you have any updated recommendations on woofers/tweeters now? Many I find to be out of stock, perhaps discontinued/closed business. I purchased some paper RS180 7" Dayton reference woofers after some entry level research (no measurement tools) and I also picked up some Eminence Delta 10s from your woofer recommendations. I am going to build a center trial enclosure with the Daytons and a Morel CAT 298 tweeter - Crossed at 2500hz . The Eminence woofers I intend to turn into Monitors/Towers for TV and Sim racing use, but no tweeters purchased yet. Working through the speaker building literature so I can properly design crossovers. Ill likely make new enclosures and crossovers for both once I learn that. Any thoughts on a recommended tweeter for the Eminence setup? Thanks
Hey glad you found me. I haven’t done anything speaker related for 2 years. I’ve been adding on to my house. Taken way longer than planned.
@@ImpulseAudioSpeakers Thank you for the response. Your videos have been great as I work through speaker building material. Wish you and your growing home/family the best.
Hi , thanks ! this was most interesting. I suppose the Beryllium tweeters where to expensive to put in youre top 3 ??? Because my most expensive speakers have beryllium tweeters and they sound verry good . Better then the piezzo tweeters in my other speakers. ( pioneer hpm 910 ) .
Yes I did not feel they offered enough value to make the list. Especially for most people.
Best video quality I've seen on your channel. Great lighting too.
Hellooo all i need your suggestions. I was successfull in saving my speakers all these years and that unfortunate, dark bad day has arrived and kids did what they did. I need to recone or replace LF Drivers of my Tascam VL-X5 nearfields?
Pls tell me your recomendation good for sound quality or sound quality loud system
I like the Viawave ribbon. Loud and extremely clean. Very high quality.
I was looking into the Denovo Audio SEOS-12 Waveguide 2/3 Bolt Matte with 1-3/8"-18 TPI Adapter with Dayton Audio D250P-8 1" Polyimide Compression Horn Driver like you suggested but both products are no longer available. Any chance you might be able to update this video with new suggestions? I am looking to make some horn speakers to play with my tube amps and need to do it on the cheap.. Big thanks from Windsor Ontario
Jason Hoffer hmm, it will hopefully come back in stock soon. In the meantime it really depends on what you hope to achieve. There aren’t many horns on the market that do what the SEOS does. I’d maybe check out some of the B&C horns.
How do you match the 107 db tweeter with a woofer with enough output? Wouldn't it be too much treble with an average woofer?
You have to do something called padding down the tweeter. You use resistors or level adjustment in your active XO to bring the level of the tweeter down. This means the tweeter has more “room” for power because 1 watt will make 107db. Makes it really hard to over power it.
Ever used the sb29rdc-c000-4? Yea thos beryllium are so nice. Gotta watch out for the fakes and alloys cones that arent pure. But they are amazing. Ive heard some.
The dual concentric dome tweeters are odd but I have used them with excellent results
So now what would be a better speaker system to build; Vifa vs. SB Acoustics? Tweeters with around 5 inch woofers and single 8" sub? Both companies have made your top 3 list, but without building both - How can one deicide which to build? Any suggestions? Thanks
Dave Apex well it would come down to budget at application. The SB costs more but is more robust. Building a home theatre speaker you plan to push hard and have a healthy budget? Go with the SB. Building an apartment speaker on a budget? Go with the Vifa. If using a 5” mid like you suggest either will work very well. I didn’t want to have two similar tweeters like this, but they both are awesome so... take your pick really.
I actually have 3 speakers that use the td-19-05 I believe. I have the Seas version. Would any of these mentioned be a nice substitute for that? Like peerless?
I believe that’s a 19mm done tweeter which none are on the list. I’m not a fan of 19mm / 3/4” tweeters because they need to be crossover so high.
Fantastic videos. I have bought the vifa xt25bg60-04 Tweeter on your recommendation.....Your right, Its sounds great. I was thinking about a wave guide to try with it, Could you point me in the right direction? Thanks. Tony. UK
tony cook I’m not totally up on what is available in the UK, but I believe Monacor had a few waveguides available. Pretty much any of them need the flange cut off and the throat planed down to match the flange on the tweeter. A few people on diyaudio.com have done it with the XT25.
Have you considered posting links to the products to make it easier for people to find and potentially purchase?
Hiquphon OW1 easily. The RS28F is very smooth, but maybe not for older ears. SB29 and XT25,wonderful. I’ve yet to use a SCAN or Seas tweeter that I like.
Have you ever tried BMS two way tweeters?
No sorry I haven’t.
So I have both of life of tweeters, the TG30 and the BG60
I actually prefer the BG60. I think the sensitivity is higher and it sounds just better in general for some reason just my opinion.
The SB29 is a great Twitter also and i have a pair ( getting more) of the full size ones with the metal faceplate.
I'm going to compare them directly against the VIFA eventually.
The problem with the Wi-Fi now is they've been sold out so many different times that I think they're made in China now.
Luckily both pairs I have are the original made in Denmark.
I haven't tried your whole loaded driver recommendation and I don't really care for compression drivers as much as ringdoms or other type of dome feeders simply because the high end is often lacking.
But since a sensitivity would be so high that can be shaped.
Because you like them so much, I may find an opportunity to try them out just to see because I respect your opinion, and because our taste and tweeters aligns almost identically.
Thanks for the review.
Another tutor I really like is the Dayton RS 28F-4
Not to be confused with a new crappy Chinese version the RST 28.
Really great tweeters It's a soft dome, but it's not a ring dam so it has more dispersion if you don't feel like sitting in the same cheer to listen like the SB 29 lol.
Honestly the dispersion of the ringtones isn't as bad as they may look on paper or are people might say.
Anyway, I believe the Dayton RS. 28F was made by usher audio
I have some usher 7-in mid base drivers that I'm going to do some things with also coming up.
I agree entirely. The RS28 was solid and the BG60 is definitely better than the TG30. For the size though, the TG is really good. I used them in a really small pair of speakers and they worked well. Thanks for checking out the vids.
Tweeter in a 3-way Horn System: Radian 475PB CD with Truextent Beryllium diaphragm; JMLC Horn with one inch throat. Would like to try the Electrovoice DC-One DSP and their Editor One Software in lieu of a passive crossover for active management of horn dynamics, time delay, and crossover characteristics including EQ. SEOS 10 would be a good waveguide choice as well.
Peter Southern Boy that radian CD has always piqued my interest! Nice choice!!
Impulse Audio - Radian is made in California and they’ve really built a reputation for excellence in bespoke high end theater and sound reinforcement. They have a very close relationship with Materion’s development of the Truextent Beryllium Diaphragm. Quite expensive but they’ve grown market share for a reason. I think that DSP and the tuning software is the future for acoustically matching horn loaded full range speaker systems to any room or venue. DSP solves so many issues with tuneable driver filters, timing delay, and individual driver dynamic response EQ. I’ve resolved to myself to never use a passive crossover in a 3-way horn loaded system again.
@@petersouthernboy6327 $1199 per single. wow expensive.
Youngsun Kim - inexpensive compared to the TAD 4000 series drivers.
@@petersouthernboy6327 great peter, really want to try assemble TAD system.
When i was in uni, people got very excited about Beryllium anything due to the toxicity of it's salts. they wouldn't let me make off with an x-ray detector that was being scrapped because of it. And now here it is in some consumer(ish) electronics! anything for good HiFi haha
Have you tried the PRV DT175Ph-S 1" Phenolic driver? Would love your thoughts. I have used it and it's very clean and precise.
Blaine Shillington sorry I haven’t. I would like to try some PRV products.
@@ImpulseAudioSpeakers Their D230-Ti is really good too. I used them to upgrade some Alto PA speakers and it totally made them sound high end and crystal clear.
What tweeter do you recommend to combine with Madisound Silverflute 6.5"?
Hmm. I would probably go with the SB29. Similar sounding and the balls to cross low. It’s pretty expensive though. If looking for cheaper then maybe the Dayton ND28. I haven’t used it in a LONG time. Not sure if it’s priced well or even still produced.
I may be asking too much, but would be great for DIY if you could offer some winning combinations: woofer, tweeter, crossover details. I'm in Europe, and DIYS has some nice products but shipping + tax increases price by 50%.
Love your videos, keep on going please.
Yes, matching EQ profiles of woofers, mids and tweeters would be great. And crossovers that hit the right points for a combination would be great too.
I agree! Would be nice with a parts list and some instructions. I bought the tempest, its still a great speaker even with taxes and so on.
Vifa, Scanspeak and Peerless are Danish made. Also, there are many box and crossover designs online for them.
www.troelsgravesen.dk/Diy_Loudspeaker_Projects.htm
Never buy from him but his works look decent, well tweaked and calculated. Lot of variation of choices depending your needs.
Since you are in Europe, maybe you should give it a try.. cheers
I prefer Be Dome tweeters. They sound extremely detailed yet lacks any harshness. If it sounds too sterile you could always get a tube amplifier to color the sound to your personal preference.
David Perry I like Be also, but price knocks any of them off my list.
I remember paying 600 for a set of esotec tweeters from dynaudio in the 90s. Always love their tweeters. Now i only run AMT 1a Heil tweets.
After years of working with all sorts of dome and ribbon tweeters - I have to say that horns have rocked my world. It’s an adult swim but the results have been more profound than anything else I’ve worked with in my Audio journey.
horns are scorned in the audiophile community, they take it as a joke
eksine Its a joke that closed audiophool minds reject superior physics and engineering solutions based on unsubstantiated bias. The BE250 on the SEOS 10 is a very good sounding high frequency setup, with excellent dispersion and directivity. It has efficiency and low distortion AND headroom that sings. The 2446 JBL is a "standard" for headroom and I keep many of them handy.. The Be dias are $600 though, not $ 200. My favored 2" is the BMS 4592ND as it has even lower distortion and greater extension than a 2446.
I am with the horn tweeter crowd. The human ear is very sensitive to distortion, especially in the mid-range of ~300hz to 5khz. And distortion is a function of diaphragm travel, ie the further the diaphragm has to move, the more distortion; so if you minimize diaphragm movement with a horn, you will also minimize distortion. Of course now you have to engineer a suitable phase plug for a compression driver and also a horn.
Plus in the manufacturing-level you have to manufacture a phase-plug, in the traditional compression drivers that is machined. Today they are of molded plastic and fiberglass which costs way less.
In past research has shown that there are little differences in dispersion between the dome and the cone radiator tweeters, but is a function of driver diameter/size.
For best sounds, a horn and compression driver are the way to go, but you pay the price. Speaker manufacturers are in business to make a profit. When you put huge amounts of money into R&D and also in manufacturing, they have to charge the customers appropriately. At retail a typical "run of the mill" compression driver and horn can cost way more than the comparable direct radiator because of the r&d and increased manufacturing costs.
Pioneers TAD line is a good example of SotA in beryllium and titanium materials and driver technology, and of course of course the cost of that technology is in stratosphere.
How many tweeters about did you test to choose top 3 ?
Kamil W. I’m not totally sure but I’ve used about 50 is all. Have at least 10 in the shop with me but many have come and gone.
@@ImpulseAudioSpeakers About 50 is huge amount. Thanks for replay. 2 of 3 speakers are cheap. I have only few speakers, seas 27tdfc, Satori, HDS, small illuminator. I thinking about some small tweeter to car. Now I have illuminator. But I need something new. Maybe neodymium seas ?
Kamil W. those are all nice tweeters. Can’t go wrong with any of those.
I know it is well outside of the sort of drivers you might normally buy and listen to, but if you get the chance check out the RAAL 140-15D-AM with the anamorphic core. It will blow your mind.
I couldn't agree with you more. But definitely I would recommend it as a three way >6kHz range to avoid distortion.
@@brk932 definitely three way. Although it depends on the model of the RAAL in question, I run as low as the recommended xover frequency, using the recommended xover slope, and never without an external cap.
Bingo.. These are my favorite.. I am using them at 6db/7KHz in conjunction with Fibonacci 1" x 40" hybrid ( capton with applied aluminum foils) ribbons from 300Hz to 7KHz
@@jenniferwhitewolf3784 Sounds like a great combo. Pity I am on the wrong side of the world for a listen. I have heard of people using much cheaper BG Neo 10's with the RAAL as well, but I doubt they would have the refinement of the Fibonacci. Damn can't stop thinking about those "Big Daddies" now.
I am using a pair of Scanspeak 12MU Illuminators per side in open baffle config for my mids. Currently using my dipole version of the RAAL 140-15-AMs, there not quite as sweet as my monopoles, but they are still nice.
I’m new at these new audio brands. How can you compare these brands to the Scan Speak audio brand? Have you used the Scan Speak brand?
HAZ-EK9 yes I’ve used scan speak. I’ve had a bad experience with a driver from the discovery line up. Wasn’t a good driver at all. Their expensive stuff is really good, but it’s expensive. This list considered value so because the good scan speak stuff is expensive they don’t quite have the value to make this list. Generally good drivers though.
Just subscribed and liked. Ryan, not being educated on electrical and sound frequency/db (etc.) matters, I don't understand much of what you're talking about. Nevertheless, I enjoy watching your videos, and I can recognized that you know what you're talking about.
I have a pair of speakers that I bought about 35 years ago from a place in Vancouver called Speaker City (they have since gone out of business but were around for a long time.) I don't remember much information about the speakers, though they do have a sticker on the front face of the cabinet that says SRC Audio, and, if I remember, correctly, the original (photocopied) info sheet that came with them said "Sherman (or Shermann) Research Company (or Corporation(?) ) Also, I remember that the info sheet said they had beryllium ribbon tweeters and a frequency range of 20Hz - 20,000Hz.
I've researched SRC Audio (and variations thereof) and the only thing I can come up with is a company in Germany that goes by a similar name but I have my doubts as to whether they are related to my speakers. There is a company in New Jersey by the name SRC Audio but they've only been around since 2003, so, they're not related, either.
The speakers are floor standing speakers, 40" H x 13" W x 11" D. Each cabinet contains two beryllium ribbon tweeters approx. 2 1/2" each, two mid range speakers approx. 4" each, and one woofer approx. 10". (I'm giving "approx." measurements because I'm not sure where, on the speakers, to take the measurements from.) Each speaker has two 2" ports at a 45 degree angle below the woofer.
I have no idea what brand of components are in the cabinets. I believe this might have been a (SRC Audio) kit that Speaker City ordered and put together on their premises, though I can't confirm that (I have been told, recently, that the "S" in SRC might stand for "Sandy", the owner of Speaker City. If true, then it's likely they're a pair of speakers of their own design.)
Anyways, if you or any of your subscribers/viewers have any info on these speakers, I'd much appreciate knowing more. Also, Ryan, I don't know where you are in Canada, but if you were close enough to my location, I'd love to have you test my speakers (yes, I'd be willing to pay) so that I could get some real info on their performance.
Hey glad you found my channel. I live in Ladysmith on Vancouver Island. Not too far. Sorry I don't have any info on those speakers at all. Speaker City rings a bell, but not SRC.
Overall, I'm happy with the speakers. Unfortunately, due to the configuration of my living room, I can't place the speakers within the room in a way that would best suit the capabilities of the speakers and/or sound reproduction (they're sitting about an inch from the wall.) Generally, when I'm listening to music, I'm not sitting in one spot, trying to be at the point of a triangle, or in the "sweet spot", anyways.
When I was first listening to them in the listening room at Speaker City, I was listening to them at a volume that I can't often play in a condo unit (my bad.) At home, I find that, at lower volumes, I need to crack up the bass to balance the sound. I suppose that would seem, somewhat, reasonable being that there's two tweeters and two mid range speakers for each woofer. It might also be that the woofer isn't as sensitive as the other speakers and, therefor, needs greater input before it starts kicking. Who knows?
Anyways, I'd love to have them dissected, someday; learn how well they're reproducing sound/frequency ranges, what brand of components are in the cabinets, and what, if anything, could be done to make them even better.
If you're interested in providing that kind of service, let me know. I'd gladly make a day trip of it.
Love the videos! Would you consider making a video detailing how exactly to implement a high-efficiency compression horn tweeter into a obviously lower sensitivity woofer?
Chris DeBlanc hmm not sure what to say in a video like that. Mostly use Lpad resistors or gain structure if using active to lower the tweeter level where you need it. The process is the same as regular tweeters.
Have you heard of or any experience with the PRV WG-175PH horn? I think the JBL DT150 is the premium brand version , better?
Aaron Waltz no I haven’t, sorry.
How do morel tweeters stack-up?
leonard krasner a bit pricey for what you get. They’re good though.
Impulse Audio thanks. About 25 years ago I rebuilt an old altec cabinet with eminence woofers and a focal Kevlar tweeter it was a very nice sounding speaker.
Hi! Well you obviously seem to know what you are looking at regarding tweeters and audio in general. So do you think the first tweeter you showed, the Vifa, would make a good replacement for the tweeters in a pair of old Advent speakers? Apparently the crossover freq. is right at 1khz which takes quite a few off the list. I am also looking at this one, the Tymphany/Vifa XT25SC90-04 1″ Dual Ring Radiator Tweeter however both of these are 4 ohm units. According to the rear panel on my Advents, they are rated at 6 ohms so as far as real differences between 4, 6 or 8 ohm tweeters, I am lost.
You can’t get a replacement? I don’t think the Vifa XT25 would be a good choice. 1khz is really low.
@@ImpulseAudioSpeakers I haven't found anything that is directly listed as a replacement due to the low crossover freq which I gather is correct from all the info I can find. What would you recommend, as an example? Am I on the right track with dual ring tweeters since they seem to cover the freq range?
@@TrySomethingsOnce well the SB can go lower. Still that very low for any tweeter that isn’t horn loaded or with a diaphragm larger than 1.5”. I can’t think of anything that can do that well.
Cost aside , I’d like to use beryllium tweeters if I ever build my dream speakers.
Regarding Vifa , I used them decades ago in a car audio install, and it ended up sounding fantastic .
A plastic membrane compression driver is not a tweeter. You need at least a titan. It’s easy to determine which type by FR: a plastic has that remarkable falling deep from 8kHz to 15kHz and then a rocket jump to 18-20kHz. Independently of a manufacturer. All you can make with them is to use a sophisticated crossover to make it flat in a range of 3-5kHz up to 20kHz with a 90dB sensitivity. But the next question then is why a h do you use a compression driver for that if you can take a trivial dome tweeter??
CDs are way more sensitive than a dome tweeter, which adds to dynamics and allows for higher realistic SPL and lower distortion. Also the waveguide provides better directivity.
@@ImpulseAudioSpeakers A waveguide can be used also with a dome tweeter. However I told about a resulting sensitivity after a crossover that fixes the 8-20kHz issue. They are the same. About 90dB. Fortunately we have titanium/beryllium/carbon membranes. Some of them are pretty affordable. A compression driver worth all of these efforts, you are right. A proper one -)
Where and who put on the blind speaker contest? Is it a regular annual event?
NackDSP it was in New York. I didn't go. Someone brought a pair for me. Google iron driver speaker contest. Not sure if it's still going.
I was wondering your thoughts on the Martinlogan folded motion tweeters I'm assuming your passion in speaker building is for a lot of different audio application like car two channel outdoor or concert forum I'm invested in my surround sound. Just curious your thoughts on ML design with the 6 -8x the surface area depending on model compared to the typical 1 in dome (whatever different materials) type. I'm looking to make or buy some type of atmos celling speakers with nice tweeters ML Vanquish are super nice but very expensive for each more reasonable the motion ic or helo which the only way I would hear or test them is to buy.ok then bye
joe vigil they do have more area, but I’m not convinced AMTs are they way to go. They’re certainly not the wrong way to go, I just haven’t seen many impressive examples. I’d want to hear a pair before dropping a lot of money on them.
@@ImpulseAudioSpeakers AMTs ? Oh any suggestions on atmos ceiling speakers round instead of square design preferred 😁ruclips.net/video/yPqF9DqzjF8/видео.html
joe vigil AMT = air motion tweeter. Is that what you were asking.
For atmos I would strongly consider coaxial. They will be point source and that’s important when seated at all different locations with the speaker 5ft above your head.
I'm looking for a small neo tweeter like the SB29RDCN-C000-4. I'm probally going to go with the SB acoustics but have you tried/tested the Peerless NE19VTS-04? or NE25VTS-04? or any other neo dome tweeters other than the xt25-sc90-04? good job explaining real speaker design.
Aaron Wolfram yes I've used a few small neos. Most of them have compromise to get the chamber so small. The sb29 doesn't give up much at all. It's by far the best IMO. But the NEs are pretty good. Haven't done a whole lot with them though. They're priced really well though.
Hey Ryan,
Those JBL 2446's w the beryllium diaphragm and the Iwata 300's look really fantastic!!
Do you think you could do a video on them?
Also, what are the real differences (usability) between the E-jmlc 300 horn and the Iwata 300 in your opinion?
I'm building a horn loaded system for sound reinforcement in Vancouver and I'm trying to get as close to audiophile sound as I realistically can. For the smaller tops I'm going to try pairing the Dayton PT2C-8 planar tweeter w the 8" folded horn.
However, for the larger sized tops (12" folded horn mids) I'm pretty sure I'll need the efficiency of a compression driver to keep up. These 2446's are quite enticing.
Do you think it would be possible to array them (either the Iwata or the E-jmlc) in a vertical fashion and not run into major comb filtering? I'm hoping the vertical dispersion is somewhat limited to allow this possibility.
With the addition of the Selenium ST400's for the 8k+ region, it seems like it could be a pretty excellent sounding high end.
Conrad Brander wow that’s a big project. Hard to even speculate how to go about that.
I did a couple of videos way back on my phone on my original personal account. They’re pretty bad though. I don’t have the drivers anymore but do have iwata 600s and will be doing a video on them in the near future.
@@ImpulseAudioSpeakers Nice - looking forward to checking it out.
Is there an equivalent but smaller horn as JBL 2446 out there?
Have you ever tried to fit the SB dimple dome in a SEOS8?
Raymond Cooke no more than just lining it up behind the waveguide. I am very tempted to try and bandsaw the flange off the waveguide and give it a try though.
I am really interested in the Denovo sios10 and the VIAWAVE GRT145, but where can you buy them ??
David Mann the seos 10 can be purchased at diysoundgroup.com but the grt145 has to be purchased from a reseller in the states named Roman. I'll try and track down his details.
Here it is: www.viawaveusa.com/grt-145.html
Thanks so much , love your video
The new Peerless DA series tweeters have really impressive measurements and they're fairly cheap. Haven't heard them yet but plan to soon.
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I need denovo website to buy.
Robert Rodriguez diysoundgroup.com but someone told me they are out of stock.
@@ImpulseAudioSpeakers Yea i see that , i cant see the driver , only see the horn.
@@ImpulseAudioSpeakers seos 10 is good for car aplication to destroy the competition.
any TAD driver
Would the Vifa perform well when crossed over around 2k - 2.5k
houseoffire72 yes absolutely. As long as you treat it well. Most people would err towards 2.5khz. Good luck.
@@ImpulseAudioSpeakers Cool thanks. I built a set of home stereo speakers using two 6.5" & the Dayton "Silky" tweeter. Xover point 2.5k (dayton xovers 12db) The 6.5s are the poly cone factory buyout drivers found in the midbass section. I bought 40 of them last yr & will prolly buy a few more cases. Sounds like the Vifa tweeter will work well for my needs. The silky is nice but is limited on its higher end. I listen to a wide array music and think a driver with a better response would help bring all the details out.
HI-VI 1.3we awsome detail ,feels organic sound and cheap!
Looking for that iwata horn you displayed there from where I can find those cos I searched and could not find them. Anyone can help pls. Thanks
Aron Gatt I got mine from diysoundgroup.com but not sure if they still sell them. I think they were a special order item.
Impulse Audio thanks for the reply, they do not have them in stock. On an other note, have you ever heard or tried the fostex t500a mkii
Ryan, where did you go? Too busy? Miss your videos. Howard
Did an addition on my house and life just hasn’t given me a break since. Would love to do videos again but plans keep changing on me. One day I hope.
Awesome video. Such a helpful channel. Any chance you could suggest some wavegiudes that suit the SB29? I'm sure the info is out there but its eluded me so far. The Dayton waveguide I've heard works doesn't seem to be made anymore. Any other dome tweet and waveguide combos you have found to work well?
Thanks!
Myles O-K ring radiator tweeters work really well. Like the Vifa xt25. I’ve had a lot of success with that. I haven’t used any waveguides recently though, so not sure what to recommend. Most of them need to be modified and hacked up so I’d try some cheap ones first.
my Sb neo tweeter is with me for more than 12years , and that time very few people know about it, however, i have been using more than hundred of tweeter for competition or diyproject work
Felix Phang awesome. I’ve had mine for nearly that long. I bought them in 2008 or 2009 I believe. Was blown away at the time. Still am.
Yes! Please do a video on the SB29. Great channel - Thanks!
Would by chance still have the frd and zma files for the XT25sc90 tweeter? I am getting ready to start a build with the Dayton rs100-4 with the tweeter and just need to start working out the crossover parts list.
Troy Pierce yes I have a test video of that tweeter and in the description of that video is a link to my file database. All my test videos link to it.
Troy Pierce sorry on my phone or I’d put the link here.
I never see anyone list Radian Audio equipment. Are you a fan of their compression drivers or diaphragms?
Brando Yo I’ve had only a little experience with them. They don’t have a good value in my opinion. They’re pretty decent though.
Impulse Audio thanks for the fast response. It seems a lot of people use their replacement diaphragms. I was wanting to try their new 6CRF5130 - 6.5” coaxials with planar ribbons. I also want to use their 5312 Neo’s in a custom outdoor loudspeaker setup I’ve been trying to get worked out for a couple years. We shall see what happens. They were bought out and all their prices went up, so not sure what I’ll do with it yet. Anyway, take it easy!
For normal people the Hivi TN25 is probably the flattest dome tweeter ever made. At under $15 will work with any systems (5 ohm).
Have you gotten the frd and zma files on the dynavox LW6004HR-N 6-1/2” woofer
SpeakersR-lyef Audio sorry but I do not have those.
Impulse Audio thanks anyway
I had a hunch that Be JBL / IWATA was going to be your fave even though it's crazy expensive and large. Also gotta love those big red Mick Jagger lips lol.
Audio Aficionado - I’ve used domes, ribbons, and pleated diaphragms that were in the same price range. Given what you will spend on the rest of your audio system it’s the most impactful $$$ you will invest.
Do you have any experience with the Seas 27TBFCG? I read about it from Zaph audio's tweeter mismash years ago and decided to give it a try. It's my favorite sounding tweeter that I've used or heard. My hearing rolls off around 15khz so I'm usually not concerned about anything above that lol. The only thing I don't like about it is the cutout as you have to cut out a spot for the terminals.
Neil Ballas actually I have not ever used that one despite how popular it is. Never even heard it in a speaker as far as I can remember!
I find it similar to the XT25 with a smoother top end and seems to have a more natural sound. Even though it's a metal dome tweeter, it's not very bright at all. I've never been disappointed in it. Handles high volumes and power quite well too!
Neil Ballas ya I’ve heard it’s hard to tell it’s metal and sounds very nice. I’ll have to try to find an opportunity to use it. I hear lots of good about it.
Old standard still very viable.
I'm from another era and have an entirely different take on tweeters. I have some very different ideas. The first is that tweeters should have the widest dispersion possible. This is exactly the opposite of the way tweeters are designed today and having studied how musical instruments propagate sound the opposite of what they do which is direct most of their energy away from any one listener making reflections important. This is why I studied them and figured out many ways to engineer them.
The second best tweeter for dispersion is the Acoustic Research 3/4" dome. This was an improvement over the prior 1" dome. Edgar Villchur inventor of several important innovations in high fidelity invented the dome midrange and tweeter. The 3/4" dome was developed by Roy Allison working fo Villchur. It is a full hemisphere, is not recessed, and is made out of paper which is the best material for speaker cones because friction between the pulp fibers dissipates energy very efficiently eliminating the ringing so typical of metal dome tweeters which IMO are the worst. (Look at Atkinson's FR curves for the new KLH model 5 as an example.) So the tweeter has a falloff of 5 db at 15 khz, 60 degrees off axis. The only better one is Allison's own on his brand which has an elastic section between the central part of the dome and the outermost part. It is driven in such a way that when the center moves outward the outer edge moves inward 180 degrees out of phase. (The MBL speakers do the same thing. The vibrating elements are like slices of melon rinds fixed at one end and being pushed and pulled up and down at the other end.) Not satisfied with the dispersion or power handling capacity of the 3/4' AR tweeter first seen in AR3a Allison used 4 0f them, two facing forward flanked by one on each angled side panel marketed as AR LST and also as Cello Amati by Saul Marantz. In the 1970s AR introduced the first ferrofluid cooled tweeter to increase power handling capacity.
My next favorite will come as a shock. It is the endless variants of the Audax AW010E1, a 3/8" tweeter with wide dispersion and frequency response flat to 30 khz. I use them in arrays especially to create reflections and cross them over at about 6 khz with a single capacitor for a single pole crossover. Used in indirect firing arrays their aggregate power handling capacity is enormous and their thermal compression is nil. They do not break up at at any loudness or frequency in their range. For the first 6 I bought from Radio Shack I paid about $11 each. For the next 180 from parts express I paid 28 cents each. And for the last 400 I bought from Parts Express I paid 5 cents each.
One of many advantages of these arrays is that their loudness and equalization can be controlled independently of the single front firing tweeter which itself will play at a much lower volume than it would if it had to work alone. Obviously I am not a fan of 2 way designs and my best speaker Teledyne AR9 is a 4 way 5 driver design enhanced with 11 indirect firing 3/8" polys which in aggregate can handle hundreds of watts and reduce thermal compression by a factor of 144.
BTW, If you use an significant array of front firing tweeters don't worry about comb filtering. Each tweeter will have comb filtering with every other tweeter. So if you have N tweeters you will have (N-1)! read N minus one factorial which means say if you have 12 tweeters you will have 11 x 10 x 9.... 3 x 2 x 1 sets of comb filters at different frequencies, so many that for all practical purposes they don't exist.
Hiqiphon OW1 and OW2 3/4” domes.
@@C-man553 the recess of the domes restricts their angle of dispersion significantly.
@@markfischer3626 Ah! Of course. The xt25 has a unique, ingratiating sound, A fave. The SB29....smooth.
Thanks very much for your time and reply....Valued. Keep up the Good work. Tony. UK
, I don't quite understand compression tweeters. I know they are good and have exceptional sound ( if crossed over properly ) .
I usually just use a high quality done tweeter due to my lack of knowledge
Tim Schutte they are a little bit temperamental. It’s important to have good measurements.
Jbl 1 inch titanium domes are my favorites. I know... Kinda boring but, i like 'em.
Price is irrelevant if your mating that beryllium tweeter in a two-way because you can...$500 tweeter + $300 12 inch woofer crossed over at 1 kh. Top mount the tweeter on top of a woofer box and you have $10,000 speaker. Basically you save money and time with a very good two way. You have to consider that tweeter as mid-range eliminator...
George Zubeck True, he can even get away with the smaller Iwata (600Hz) at ~1kHz mated to a very good 12” mid-bass like the GPA 414 Classics. So more savings in a smaller horn.. Like what this guy did:
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You might need a horn for that tho
I have a set of jbl 4722 speakers with the 2452 and a beryllium diaphragm talk about fantastic..
Fantastic videos, hope to see more. Ryan, you know your stuff.
I knew the DE250 is good, but you pushed to order button for me :) I have 2 coming in. Can't find plastic SEOS waveguides here in Europe, only the more expensive ones in Poland - 100 euro for 1 SEOS10, plus shipping.
Is there a disadvantage using a SEOS12/15 besides size/price?
hansik3777 there are actually advantages to using the 12 or 15. I just really like the response and size of the 10 if I'm picking a favourite considering all aspects. If size is not an issue the 12 and 15 are technical better performing.
You're doing great work, Ryan. Keep it up.
I know you've got some measurement videos but I'd like to see a detailed one about your measurement jig/cabling/wiring.
Also, when is your 3-way project video coming out?
I do have a shop tour video that includes a fair bit of info about my measurement rig. But I would like to do a video about how to measure some day.
My 3 way video should get done soon. The XO is pretty much set and I've been enjoying them for a while now. We'll see when I can get to it.
Did you go with one or two woofers in your 3-way?
Audio Aficionado I ended up focusing on the version with a Fountek tweeter and Morel dome mid so I stuck to one woofer. Eventually I'll work on a version using the GRT145 and probably two woofers.
I'm thinking that one will sound better and worth the extra bux. Hopefully neither ribbon tweeter has any ear fatigue issues.
No ribbon tweeters? I never got it. Once you listen to a properly set up ribbon tweeteryou can't go back.
I’ve listened to ribbons and they have their advantages, but also their disadvantages. This list is about value, usefulness, sound quality, etc. Basically all factors that would lead me to use a driver.
what models?
Jordi lopez of what? The tweeters?
@@ImpulseAudioSpeakers yes
never heard the horns, but super surprised to see a horn at the #1 spot :o
wa buster horns are very very efficient. Often 100 times more efficient than a dome tweeter. Because of this they can be padded down and use 100 times less amplifier power and much lower driver distortion. On top of that they reduce the amount of sound bouncing off the walls floor and ceiling. This means room treatment works even better. Many other advantages.
The only trouble is erratic off axis response, which the SEOS has perfect off axis response horizontally and pretty darn good vertically.
what do you think of Epic audio tweets??
Alan ray I’ve never used them but would like to. They look decent.
Hate the whole beard phenom......but yours looks great. Awesome channel. I want to build a 3 way with dsp. I have a Rane RPM88, which is pretty awesome (I think). a dsp 3 way project, I would build. I can't invest in all the measurement gear AND build the what is essentially a PA system with veneering, if you think about it.....where did you learn all this?
Hi Jennie. I'm personally not a fan of the beard fad either, so I shaved it off. Sounds like a great project. I hope you go for it and pull it off. I learned this stuff just over the years going to DIY events, books, forums, and even my university courses really helped actually. Especially my physics courses. Nerd stuff. There wasn't any internet like there is now. No youtube that's for sure. But it can be learned by anyone.
I used get speakers from a place called Madisound, they were great and had a wide selection of speakers. They're gone now and the only source I know of is Parts Express. Please name some mail order suppliers of high quality speakers.
jake spivey Madisound is still around and they’re great. Madisoundspeakerstore.com will take you there. There’s also Solen.ca but they ship from Canada. Also check out the lesser known meniscusaudio.com for something between parts express and madisound. I’ve never used them personally but are apparently really good.
Hello. Are those prices are for the pair or for each one?
Each.
The Ring tweeter gets used in the a lot of Krix speakers but they do blow up easy I gone through 2 already.
Kris Scott the Vifa or the SB? I’ve hammered the SB with stuff that would normally destroy a woofer and not had a problem. I’ve done extensive compression testing on it and it can take a flogging. The Vifa ring radiator I have not tested harshly, but never had a problem. Possibly Krix has not put a safe XO point in their speaker.
Impulse Audio if it is the same as they use in the Krix Nuephonix speakers which is a Australian company, then yes I blown 2 off a Musical fidelity amplifier.
Kris Scott I just googled it and it’s the Vifa. Haven’t pushed that tweeter very hard. They should probably raise the XO point!! They look like expensive speakers too.
Impulse Audio They nice Home Cinema Speakers but I always pushed them hard which in my mistake as they only 4ohms speakers. I currently use Audio Physic Virgo 25 now and haven’t had a problem but they are 5x more then the Krix speakers. Anyway nice vid
Hi Ryan, what about the Dayton AMT Pro 4?
and...is there a sealed woofer with high efficiency to match with the amt pro 4?
By the way, great channel, congratulation!...
Mauro Ghigliani hi, I haven’t used the AMT pro 4 and so I couldn’t include it on the list. I’d be surprised if it made it anyways. I haven’t seen anything about it that really impressed me.
By sealed woofer do you mean a sealed back woofer or a woofer that can be used in a sealed box?
Hi Ryan, sorry for my english...I meant a woofer that can be used in a sealed box, with high efficiency; do you know any good speaker with this characteristic for a three way design? Best regards.
Mauro Ghigliani that sorta depends on what is considered high efficiency and what is a big box. I would recommend the SB woofers personally. They have good sealed performance.
my idea was to use Dayton AMT Pro4, Fostex 208 Sigma as midrange, so the woofer efficiency should be at list around 93/94 db. Your reccomendation is for SB: should be active or passive? SB can be crossed up to 300hz? thank you.
Mauro Ghigliani 93 or 94 dB is pretty efficient. I’d look at the pro woofer options from eminence or Celestion. Depending on your budget you may also like the faital pro stuff. Careful because a lot of pro woofers are not good sealed, like B&C. They have terrible bass when sealed.
Just wondering... you get 108db sensitivity, but which woofer you're going to pair it with? or just put resistor in the crossover and loss all that 108db :D
Alex yes you have to pad it down with resistors or dsp, but that’s extra sensitivity you have in the “tank” for power handling and amplifier headroom. So when you really crank it up the tweeter may see less than 1 watt. That means distortion is lower too 👍
What about iwata 600;i am considering it for my next build crossed around 1500hz.
Dimitris Dimos i have a pair. But I havent gotten into it very far. Should easily cross below 1000hz with the right CD. Has a very obvious 650hz horn loading. I imagine it would sound just as good as the 300 but doesnt carry directivity as low to a large woofer.
Who sells the iwata horns guys?
@@sharepointpro479 I bought straight from horns-diy.pl if you are in Europe it's the best choice!
Dimitris Dimos , Thanks, I have asked them for prices but they’re very expensive and cost of shipping to the US makes it worse, I was wondering there was anybody here in the US selling them.
@@sharepointpro479 Have a look at FaitalPro horns start with these they are great and then look for iwata which are more expensive and higher performance you won't be disappointed!
What about the NoFerro 900 and DT300 modified ?
Nik Leiser my list is comprised of tweeters I’ve used. Unfortunately I haven’t used either of those.
Both drivers a covered/measured by the german company Hifi-Selbstbau. For 25bucks/year you gonna get excess to all measurements, Boxsimmodels, the Forum and so on.
I dont know why nobody (in englishspeaking community) knows about HiFi-Selbstbau, they deliver the best content in the entire world (as far as I know).
Pico (one of the two CEOs) is an Audioengeneer at Ford in Cologne and one of the most capable people in the world.
Here is the Link to the company: www.hifi-selbstbau.de/
Do you mind giving a shout out to them if you like the content ?
Nik Leiser problem is I can’t read German. I’m as dumb as most Canadians, I only know one language. I will have a look though. I’ve seen the logo before.
I am dumb too because I am not fluent in English, now we got two things in common already XD..... But in all seriousness; the problem is your MINDSET (which is exactly quite a common problem among english speaking people), they argue: I don't have access to German-speaking News, info etc because I don't speak the language aka language barrier, but we have some awesome tools to break the barrier down like Google Site Translator, free Onlineclasses (for foreign languages) and friendly german people (in EVERY ONLINEFORUM)who are willing to help for sure.
DT300 is average entry leve tweeter with very bad consistency. Cant be recomended
Scan Speak Revelator uber alles. Sb Acoustics, Vifa silk, Peerless HD.
Those Vifa XT25 tweeters are fantastic. I used them in my old speakers.
Some others of consideration are from Seas and Scanspeak :-)
Yes Seas T25CF002 and several models of Scanspeak are great also.
But to get into the *really* good tweeters, I swear by Gamma VLD12 & 13, while I got ELAC's Jet tweeters in my current speakers.
So my top list for tweeters are radically different than for mr Impulse Audio. :)
Vifa and Scanspeak as well as Peerless are all made by the same manufacturer.
I def would go for ScanSpeak as well....