Why employers DON'T want older job seekers.
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Finding a job is tough... even tougher when you're an older adult and you're experiencing subtle or hidden ageism.
In this video, I share with you examples of subtle ageism, why it happens, and what the coded language means... AND WHAT YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT and turn the tables to make your case.
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Around min. 10:00 I suggest what older job seekers can say or do to make their care... AND tell employers why they should get off autopilot, break the mold, and get REAL about how people and the world work today... and of course why older job seekers can be such a great find.
In addition to creating Advanced Adulting. I also am a former executive recruiter/headhunter where I spent over 15 years placing executives. I share with you the good the bad the ugly truth of what REALLY goes on... and how you can take control.
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Think of it like a job search version of Anthony Bourdain'es "Kitchen Confidential"... where he blew the lid off what really happens in restaurants. This is what really happens and why... and how you can call BS when you experience it.
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Is that "beat" in the metaphorical or literal sense?
(Arms self with barb-wired-wrapped Nerf bat, takes a few practice swings, then immediately drives to employer who I suspect is engaging in ageism)
The truth is they don't want older jobs seekers because they don't want to pay them what they're worth!
Due to the inflationary economy, most companies have difficulty staying afloat as is. It makes sense for them not to pay more than they could. It’s harder for jobseekers, but the jobs are out there because there are companies that need workers. There might be companies from the north as Canada, who is expanding their business in the US these are the type of companies that need you guys, they might be discriminatory because they need to hire a lot of people
as a sr. level software dev, i've asked for mid-level dev pay - they still won't hire me.
Lmao
They are only worth what the market is willing to pay.
@@daomingjinretention is the issue. They know you're worth more so assume you won't stay in a role that underpays
Bingo!!!!
I set up my first manufacturing plant at age 23, was up to 50 employees by age 27. As the Boss, I knew perfectly well that I could not handle the workload without competent, experienced personnel, so just about everybody I hired was way older than me. My personal secretary was 55, my plant manager was 65, my chief of tooling was 73. And those people really performed. I could take off for weeks to develop new business, travel overseas and pick up new contracts, and the plants (I had two at that point) ran like clockwork. Those people could and did take over my job when I was not around. Old-people power! Great stuff.
Smart 🙌
If only every boss saw things like you do @jvaneck...Well done.
I've been at a job 20yrs and now gen-z bosses say they want "fresh blood". Its so unfair, yet we gave them younger ones plenty chances and even trained them on the job. Most of them are very ungrateful
If i had bigger balls I’d post this on LinkedIn.
And when you woke up from that dream, what alley were you sleeping in?
Sounds like a great combination of wisdom, experience and youthful energy and optimism.
What you have not addressed is that most hiring managers are in their 30's and 40's. These people are afraid of managing people who are more experienced than they are. My experience is that the hiring mangers are afraid to hire older workers becuase they feel threatened by them. It's not because they think we'll leave, it's because they feel exposed.
Did you listen to the whole video? I cover that
I call out their failures as leaders all the time.
He did address it. He said ageism. It's been going on for many decades. He brought out how ones would feel threatened concerning experience. I mean, honestly, they should be threatened since one would run circles around these kids out here who look like deers caught in headlights 😂, but as he brought out also, if companies are smart, they'd understand that they would win with experience, even if it was only for 2-3 yrs.
As a gen X er I wasn't complaining when I benefitted from ageism so I'm not complaining now
It is not that they are afraid. They didn't get the right mentoring, coaching, or training. Worst they are the right person for the job. Gallup's data on this matter: organizations put the wrong person in the manager role 82% of the time. That said 60 is the new 30/40. I can help them. Because if they are afraid in their role as manager. I guarantee that they won't last long. Ignoring getting the right talent is a recipe for disaster.
Ageism is not new. My former employer downsized in 2012 and my whole department was let go. At 51, I'd been with the company for 15 years with 7 promotions from customer service rep to corporate VP. I had strategic planning and operations management experience, global expertise, tech savvy and proven P&L success. I had dozens of interviews and made the short list several times, only to see offers go to a younger candidate. Finally I got wise and started my own business. Best decision ever - should have done it sooner.
Good for you!
🎉 What type of business?
Agree. If you can be successful at it, starting your own business is the way to go past a certain age.
Companies like them "pretty young thangs".
Hopefully you will hire all the people, older and retired.
I went through all of this recently. After 20 years in the Air Force, I went back to school at 45, got a mechanical engineering degree to add to the stack, and then nothing, a big heaping pile of nothing. I watched all of my classmate get picked up for jobs before they even graduated. No one, and I mean no one, wanted to hire me as an entry-level engineer. Sure, every other company wanted me as a technician, but as an engineer, the response was always "Sorry, but we don't think you'd be a good fit."
My last corporate job as a controls tech, I got the tech job and the 20 year old girl, with no programming experience, no systems experience, no electronics experience, etc got the entry controls engineer slot that I applied for.
After the added insult to injury the DEI/white guy BS that I experienced, I just gave up. I now run a single man shop. I do well enough for myself, and Corporate America can kiss both hairy cheeks of my GenX ass and now can pay the full invoice, no discount.
I moved to Taiwan after 20 years because I was worried that could make a living
I tried to come back 18 months ago to California.Hell no, you can't relocate.
Nobody wants to pay a decent living , so you can pay your bills
They want you to have three jobs.
Take a week.
To find a new job teaching in Taiwan
I have an apartment waiting for me.
I'll never be rich , but I'll never be homeless by the grace of Jesus.
Don't know why our local federal government don't have accountability and they're spending.
This breaks my heart because after 24 years in the Army, and I'm going back to school for my bs degree with the thought of getting my ms degree only to hear I'm overqualified? I'm currently breaking myself at the post office. I'm feel defeated hearing this.
@jwjoness don't give up just yet. I am mostly ranting, but I did run into a lot of bullshit. The best you can do is tackle the things you have control over. Here is a list of a few things that self-sabotaged me. (Two be fair to myself I also was dealing with two baby boys and a teenage all at the same time. I was unwilling to neglect them over a job.)
1. I did not pursue any internships.
2. I did not do any job searches till the very end. Nor did I work while in school.
3. I turned down two opportunities that may have gotten my foot in the door. One was over an hour commute for fairly low pay, but was interesting. The second would have been an hour and half commute for decent pay, but less interesting work.
4. I took the first job that was local out of desperation, not doing what I wanted to be doing, and that set me back almost three years. As they had no intention of moving out a technical roll.
5. I was unwilling to move unless it was a dream job, but that actually worked out very well financially for me.
6. I didn't pursue self-employment soon enough, but that gave me a ton of time to bond with my kids and get enough house projects completed to give me the confidence to just get off my ass and start my own business.
Good for you brother. Like I told my children, life isn’t fair but thats ok. You are your own boss now and the sky is the limit
Stop blaming "DEI." White male is NOT the default normal. You are not a victim. Apply for a city, state or federal job.
It’s been a tough ride for Gen x. For years the boomers locked us out of higher paying positions and now we are getting under cut by younger generations. I just hope I can keep working at a decent salary until my mid-late 60s.
I'm a younger Gen X. Boomers are STILL locking us out of positions, and Milennials have been at our heels as soon as they came of age. (I currently am dealing with this. I mean, it even extends up to the Presidential candidates, who are both at least Boomers!) Now, Millannials are in their 30-40s, and subsequent generations are in the mix. Thow in the advent of outsourcing and more AI, which didn't impact the Boomers as much, at least for the earlier part of their careers, but has impacted latter generations from day 1. Then, add in the cost of living relative to income. For most of us, home ownership was really only possible for the married people, as singles had to constantly worry about job stability issues and how long they would even be in a certain area.
Yes, the author of the vid would likely say that I'm "being whiny" or making excuses, but things are different. And, no, I never got to anywhere near the C level in my earlier career, and am definitely not setting the world on fire now. It's rough to have to make long term decisions about your major etc when you are immature and in your 20s, but everyone is facing that. Going back later isn't practical for many, as you still have to pay bills etc, and college is that much more expensive. Even if you make it work, any potential employer is still going to select the younger candidate, so you may have nothing to show for a new degree but debt.
Having a BS or even MS means little these days without a social network of referrals etc to back it up. Another lie that our generation was told...
Please. This has nothing to do Boomer, X, M, Z whatever. It is how is has always worked. The older, established workers don't want to hire a young person with zero experience. As a person gets 'old', then they are 'too old' or 'over qualified' to do the work.
I’m the youngest boomer. How have I “locked anyone out” of a career?
@@beezneez2056 Same here. Agreed.
@@beezneez2056 you haven't, you are easily replaceable. try harder
As a young man I was certain, If I continued to learn and worked hard I would be valued and promoted - HA! 25 years into an IT career and I can only describe working for a private company as a circus. I never realized that people could be so ignorant and petty. It's a wonder anything gets done when you factor in the towering pile of BS that exist in most organizations.
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Truer words were never spoken.
Why not move? My nephew is in IT and moved every 2 years until he has been stuck at Nvidia due to value of his stock options which will become vested. He has been promoted but could move more rapidly if he moved again. But the stock has gone up 33 x since he started.
Nobody gets promoted except for the upper managers' kids or women willing to titillate, if not sleep with, them. Companies want you to put in two or three years and then leave. It's best if you say upfront that you have some career plan that involves using the company for resume bullets and then hopping to some dream job like Google or Meta. That's what your employer wants - someone who'll work hard in the role, but leave before they become a threat to the entrenched managers.
@@xinosaj my place is full of long termers and no relatives.
At 72, I've been putting up with ageism for 20 or 30 years. Having had a career in computers / networking communications, I saw the handwriting on the wall and retired at 55. Having observed the technology sector since then, I'm convinced I made the right decision. What used to be a rewarding lifelong career field has become an overly competitive collection of temporary young workers willing to accept long hours and no job security, where people over the age of 35 are considered to be "over the hill". When I first got into information technology in my early 20's, we younger workers looked up to the older people who were our supervisors and managers. They not only "managed" us on a daily basis, but provided invaluable insight and training in working with computers, data, and networking. Those times are long gone. In irony, we live in a time when medical science and nutritional advances have allowed people to live longer, while society is increasingly treating those over 40 or 50 as irrelevant and a burden.
I started my IT career in the mid 90's at the age of 35. I managed to get a couple of good jobs over the years, but the influx of "on paper" certified boot camp IT Engineers, along with outsourcing to off-shore contractors ruined the industry. I've worked along side and under IT professionals who had the cert's, but didn't know how to do even the most basic things. Certifications are often worthless in a real world situation, yet employers seem to cherish them.
I'm 54, got laid off after seven years with my last software company in February. Especially in IT you see the term 'fast-paced' a lot, but they never tell you that their code base is awful. Which slows bug fixing down quite a bit. Writing software well is just a very hard thing to do. I am a bit concerned, I am a single dad, I have three tween daughters who live with me. To top it off, a few months after I lost my job I was diagnosed with colon cancer. But that has been taking care of, I am cancer-free now. Still lots of interesting things to do, lots of interesting software to write (got my degree in Artificial Intelligence long ago, before it became fashionable). I will find a way, if not as an employee then something else. Employers cannot be trusted/relied upon anymore. Maybe they never could, especially here in North America.
yes. this.
That is why so many billions are doing youtube channels now
You make a good point, it’s insane that the retirement age is creeping up or not retiring at all yet the ability to earn an income due to overt ageism is inversely affected. It is an impossible problem. Society is truly f’d
I remember before I went to college I would interview for jobs and get told I don’t have the education they were looking for. After I graduated from college I was interviewing for jobs and was told I didn’t have the experience they were looking for. I was like jeez. What do these people expect? It took me forever to get a job and the whole time I was judged for being unemployed. The world is crazy!
Exactly I’m sure every generation have heard of this before. You always start low and then work your way up while looking out for better opportunities.
Absolutely!
I’m now hearing that there are job posting for “entry-level” positions, that mention they would also require 3-5 yrs of experience!
It is crazy!
@@beigenegress2979sadly not new, that has been the norm for over a decade now. Actual 'entry level' entry level jobs are unicorns.
@@beigenegress2979 yes entry level low pay jobs requiring 3+ years experience and good qualifications. Job market sucks so much. I am from India but I guess its similar in west
I used to be a supervisor for a company for 20 years. They always wanted to hired young people. Well they did not want to work, always on the phone, half did the work, didn’t come to work or requesting days off. I finally decided to hire someone older in her 50s. She was the best receptionist I ever had. She came to work 30 min early each morning. Stay late. Did her work, never request for a day off. Older people have more loyalty and pride in their work. I decided to open my own business and I offered her a job and she said yes.
Thank you. That has been my experience as well. Here is what I don't understand. Why do employers want to hire young people when they know from experience that they don't want to work, always on their phones, and are always late or frequently calling in sick? Because they are cheaper? Do a cost benefit analysis and see how the numbers fall out. The data doesn't lie.
In my last job, they hired young people to work the weekends. They had to hire twice the number of people they had during the week and still only half the work was done. With twice the number of people it was costing them more per hour and yet only 50% of the work was being done. It is not rocket science to know that is neither cost effective nor profitable. Yet, they keep doing it.
@@Dennis0824 I am a recently laid off Gen X myself and I have seen what you are saying. I worked literally day and night when I had to figure out a complex problem and generally worked overtime; worked holidays too. I had/have a lot of energy. I never called in sick and even in some meetings when I couldn't speak due to severe cold/throat issues, I apologized and typed my responses/feedbacks. But the younger ones--the one below 40-- were often 'sick' and didn't work weekends even if crunch times. Bottomline is what you are saying: The work ethics matter a lot for bottomlines!
@@meengla What does that say about the future? Very depressing.
@@Dennis0824 It's depressive enough for me to today tell off a recruiter who called me while I was in a Walmart. So while I have to just push myself to come to the retirement age of 62 just a few more years, I feel for the young ones out there. I mean, those getting Computer Engineering degrees from good expensive American universities and going to find that their jobs are so Offshorable. While ageism hurts me and most Gen X, I think it is even bleeker for the younger ones due to offshoring of jobs and AI.
@@meengla The lack of work ethic today is in large part what is driving AI and automation. At my last job, one of the long term goals was to reduce the head count as much as possible. Every time there was a problem that was personnel related, it was almost reflex to explore a solution involving further automation.
The offshoring problem is going to resolve itself. The dollar is in decline and on the road to collapse. It is unfortunate but there is nothing that can be done to stop it now. This will make offshore labor much more expensive.
Me 32 years in industry ... no call backs... no warranty issues. Yet They hire unskilled kids . call backs warranty issues and lawsuits. you think hiring a pro is expensive ... just hire an entry level amateur.
My experience is if a company hires the best available workers, pays them well, and gives them some autonomy to do their jobs like the professionals they are, then the company almost runs itself.
The morons who run things these days still want to be like Jack Welch, who took GE from an industrial powerhouse, to a hollow shell of it's former self.
@@genericsomething and who takes the blame,Jeff Emelt.
i got the same feeling. i'm 46 years old and been writing software since i was 17. The only companies that hire me are companies that are near failure... and i have to agree to basically work for less than jr. level pay. I can't actually earn more than $3,000 USD/month. This is how America treats it's own citizens.
Everything went backwards except one thing: ageism.
@@daomingjinstart your own online business in that field. You can set your own prices for your services. You definitely have the experience so let that spark your confidence. Best of luck to you.
You are more capable than you think.😊
I would always want a 63 year old surgeon with 30 year experience over any young hot shot. Same with any job. There is no substitute for experience.
Because we're talking about doctors. Are you alright?
@@dallassegnoPresumably. Are you?
@@dallassegnosame if you were talking about business. No way you hand the keys to someone less experienced …. Unless you have no options. Stop it.
You are just a product of the experience propaganda.
Many things don't require decades of doing them before a high level of competency is reached. You also mistackenly assume that more years equate to being subjected to all occurrences.
A surgeon with 10 years of experience is just as competent as one with 20 years experience.
We diminish in everything the older we get regardless if you or others want to accept that reality. 😳
Young people have much higher i.qs than older people.
Most humorous response from a company I interviewed with (Hewlett Packard): "We are afraid you will eat our young".
I LOVE that!!!!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Well, they are tasty.
What position did you apply for? Exterminator?
@@JoesVinylShow1980 Test Engineer for their IP/VoIP/vVoIP products (Switches, Routers, Data-Center, etc.
They ran me through a group interview with all their Engineering team, and I was shocked at what I thought were "softball questions". I later learned they thought they were asking tough questions.
I guess I should have pretended to struggle to answer the questions. I was also woefully out of dress code. I learned after I got there that the standard dress-code was cargo shorts, polo shirt, and Birkenstock sandals. I had showed up in a Seville Row suit hand made in London, and all the appropriate corporate jewelry, to include a Mont Blanc fountain pen.
*The best thing anyone can do past 45 years old is to start and or buy a business! To hell with the 9 to 5 bull-crap!*
I AGREE!
Absolutely! But don't be surprised that it is damned hard work, but it is worth the rewards.
The interesting thing you learn when running your own business is that when you go to other businesses and watch people's behaviour you begin to realise that a lot of people at senior levels haven't got a clue and wouldn't behave the way they do if it was their own business and own money!
but not all have the business acumen
@@vizply2986 No, but it can be learned.
Starting a business means 9 to 9.
I'm in my 50s and I'm more interested in investments that could set me up for retirement , I mean I've heard of people that netted hundreds of thousands during these crash, I listened to someone on a podcast who earned over $650K in less than a year, what's the strategy behind such returns?
You're not doing anything wrong, you just don't have the required skillset to profit off a down market, folks that are making profit in this market are pros and experts with in-depth knowledge and skillset.
A lot of folks downplay the role of advisors until being burnt by their own emotions. I remember couple summers back, after my lengthy divorce, I needed a good boost to help my business stay afloat, hence I researched for licensed advisors and came across someone of utmost qualifications. She's helped grow my reserve notwithstanding inflation, from $275k to $850k.
How can one find a verifiable financial planner? I would not mind looking up the professional that helped you. I will be retiring in two years and I might need some management on my much larger portfolio. Don't want to take any chances.
“Melissa Jean Taligdan’’ is the licensed fiduciary I use. Just research the name. You’d find necessary details to work with a correspondence to set up an appointment..
Thank you for this tip. it was easy to find your coach. Did my due diligence on her before scheduling a phone call with her. She seems proficient considering her résumé
I was laid off at 56 and it took a year to get a job paying 50% of my previous income. I was "over-qualified." I'm 67 and still working to save more for retirement. There are many of us older workers at the Ohio Department of Medicaid. Our Governor is 77. We welcome people of all ages. Good luck for those in the job market.
I'm in the same boat. Been working in Silicon Valley since 95' I lived like it was always 1999 and thought my startups would be the next big IPO. Never happened. I'm thinking of going on a motivational tour titled "how to make $ 15 million in SV and blow it all on strippers and blow"
LOL
“Overqualified” is absolutely enraging because a good manager will surround themselves with people smarter and more qualified than they are so they have a great and productive team. A good manager would always aim to be the dumbest person in the room. Then when all of the people they helped get promoted they have people who loved them as their boss making the decisions on whether or not he gets promoted. Stack the deck above you with your allies and play the long game.
Good point. The problem is, a lot of managers see themselves as the top of a 'top down' hierarchy where they are the 'teacher'. If I am the 'teacher' at the top then it means I am the limiting factor of my entire team. That's why I employ people smarter and more qualified than myself. It's about the team as a whole, not me.
Many today's managers have no idea what the role of a manager is. Such is life.
Yeah, "overqualified" is such a scam these days. Years ago the claim was that an overqualified employee wouldn't stick around for 15 years, but now with the avg person changing companies something like every 3-4 years for a while now, it's a pretty meaningless and downright silly reason not hire someone. Imagine trying out for the New York Yankees and they say to you: Sorry man, you're just too good.
@@kevinmach730EXACTLY in my industry it’s flooded with new graduates with high credentials and it has been for years but the people hiring for jobs that only need lower credentials won’t accept us because they think it’s still the 2000s and everybody is just going to leave for six figure jobs in the Alberta oil sands as if those jobs are still plentiful and as if those graduates are scarce like no sir there haven’t been opportunities like that for over ten years and there probably won’t be ever again so can I please just come in and work for you at your f-king grain elevator or cement plant for $25 an hour because my alternative is not six figures at a camp job it’s just further ongoing unemployment
You keep saying "good manager," as if that's not an oxymoron! 😆
"Who wouldn't want a superstar at a discount price."
Thank you for this. It felt refreshing
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"Who wouldn't want a superstar at a discount price."
Galactic-level hilarity in this statement. A summary of what's wrong with capitalist systems (and I'm not a socialist).
that’s literally how i’m marketing myself right now.
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Nobody wants to be a superstar we are talking about the real world where real people exist not delusional rejects
My recent experience is you don’t get a chance to counter their excuse for not hiring you. You just get ghosted. With virtual interviews they don’t even show up! No communication, no integrity.
agree. they use that instead of giving the person a chance to present their case for the job role.
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I totally agree! I just interviewed for a job and was told she wanted to hire me, I was the oldest one who applied (in my 50s) and she said I was qualified and professional, unlike the other younger applicants. After a week, I emailed her and was told they are still looking. I’ve applied for 30+ jobs over that past four months after relocating back home after 23 years away. I’m at my wits end.
@@sirissacnewton7193 I think they realize or HR tells them we would be too expensive to hire. Definitely frustrating.
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Bang on 🎯. 'Overqualified' says way more about the hiring manager than the candidate.
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He's right about people being intimated when you possess high character, skills and abilities because they're afraid you will expose them!!!!
100% It happens
" people being intimated when you possess high character, skills" - I was at a startup and the CIO convinced the non-tech founders that I "did not want to learn anything new". I told him that I liked to use Linux. He said "we don't use Linux here, we use UNIX" - and - again - he was the CIO.
I actually worked for a company where I had to participate in the recruitment process for a researcher. The recruiter, who I had worked with for many years, actually showed ageism against one of his candidates. I was shocked, and then disgusted. Then thought, this will happen to me one day. We hired the mature candidate, because she had the skills, knowledge and experience.
I learned the hard way to dumb down my resume. It worked, I got a decent job. I want to add that I also looked for a company that has a higher than normal average employee age. The company I work for in the tech industry has an average workforce of over 45 years of age. Many are in their mid 70s! My pay last year was over $50k, lower than average cost of living region. It is also low stress, perfect for me at this phase of my life. A suggestion is look at temp employers, like Express Professionals because they value older workers. Be willing to move to a different state if need be. I am 62. Nobody knows that I have an M.S., B.S., and B.A. degrees. It's not necessary.
Good for you you learn how to solve your unemployment problem and maybe you could create a video to teach others back because you never know who you might help.
Ageism is real. I am in a fb group of 50+ yr old woman and somebody there after many yrs as an RN nurse, paid to take the training and certification to bec a medical billing coder: no one would hire her! All they wanted to know in her interviews was “why she no longer wished to work as a nurse!”
Very disheartening! I am 60 and and am a profession librarian and was thinking of paying to retain to work in an area of the professional that does not require assisting the public (have done this for 20+ yrs).
This former nurse’s exp gave me food for thought, if I cannot get a job if I try to make a change within my profession, but cannot secure employment due to my age!
@@beigenegress2979 yeah it’s a big issue getting older. It’s not easy, but you can always try to look younger if you can’t if you can’t just stay in the profession that you are accustomed to. There’s nothing wrong with being a librarian. Just appreciate that you have a job because it really bad out there as your friend on Facebook she should not have put on her résumé that she been a nurse for however, many years she needs to know how to answer the question why she wants to change her career. If she doesn’t know how to answer it to fit the job description then that’s why people aren’t hiring her a lot of people when they get to an obstacle they just give up. Why don’t you research answers that you can provide the potential so that they would be able to accept the reason why you’re changing your job convincingly she could say well it would be an easy transition for me because I still enjoy working in the healthcare field, except while I am more interested in administrative aspect of it I’ve always had a background in you know numbers or maybe I’ve always had an interest in building or I’ve always been really good with numbers and business so it was a natural for me to transition to billing and I learned that I could do this job really well because I passed all my courses in billing and did really well and I graduate top 10% of my class. I know I just gave an example but I’m sure you get what I’m saying like don’t give up just because they asked you the hard questions I mean if you give up then you probably don’t have what it takes in place because it’s really really crazy like you really have to know how to play the game meaning have answers to really toxic questions.
That’s so funny you too dumbed down your resume. I retired from the Army and immediately went to school. Got a BS then my MS. Worked for several more years in that but was high stress so I dropped out a few years and just got by on my small farm. When I finally started looking for work again I got rid of the long resume and all the years of qualifications. I only used my associates degree and my Army experience. Always worked great! Really it’s best to find something we can do for ourselves. Working for others in this new DEI and politically correct crap is just way too stressful.
I did not mind driving a forklift. They asked why are you quitting?
I got really strange faces when I told the HR chief and Plant manager, "It is time for you to sharpen your resume pencil." In late 2004.
I left out the part about accounting and also a teamster contract negotiator before that. + I really did not like sitting at a desk all day.
But when I saw drivers going into the office before opening the rear doors on a semi? Yepper a sign of C.O.D. or no delivery.
The company was almost bankrupt then. Out of business 18 months later. They must have thought David Stockman was a manufacturing genius. "Oh that won't happen."
Running OMB is a lot different than being a auto production parts supplier.
Then came the hardest job a ever did. I got hired by the VA. Because I was a OIF veteran. Yep it was GS desk job.
Really challenging. Looking like you are actually doing something all day is harder than it looks. But it got me through to 2013. And I did my 2nd retirement.
But you can only watch so much cable TV. 2015 I went back to work test driving pre-production autos. Quit when they insisted I drive with mask and no passenger.
I guess they never heard of just doing this to be doing something. But I can not relate to wanting to be CinC at my age. Even if I am 'The Donald'. 82 is just insane to want 4 more years.
Military District of Washington was not all that much fun duty.
Older competent workers are more reliable with less drama.
When interviewers ask me what is my strength, I reply "I show up". My biggest selling point without threatening insecure managers.
Very true but young managers wouldn't know that.
But they are not as easily brainwashed into accepting loads of crap.
@@patrickp8315why wouldn't young managers know that?
@@marmaladoealso for a lot of jobs why not get a young adult and pay them less
There are far too many HR ‘professionals’ (as they like to refer to themselves) who simply do not know what they’re doing or care about it. If they were even half good, they wouldn’t need to ask the good people in front of them so many godamn stupid questions. And if they actually called the Gen Xer to the interview in the first place and still have the nerve to ask them all their dumbass questions and then reject them, then they should be fired. In fact, I’d fire all HR and outsource it.
I'm with you!!!!!
The outsourced people are also HR 'professionals' so all that would do it save money for the company. It's not going to improve the hiring process. At least IME.
ha! ha! ha! the HR professionals are all (120 - 18) yrs. old and cannot even write a decent job description, let alone search and hire for QUALIFIED EMPLOYEES!!
HR isn't there to protect the employees...They're there to protect the corporation and implement the changes given to them by the board members or investors. Its why after 2020, the company I worked for went full DEI and I watched the company tank in 4 short years
"There are far too many HR ‘professionals’ (as they like to refer to themselves) who simply do not know what they’re doing or care about it."
That's done on purpose. Most business owners I've run across over the last two decades are simply more confident than competent, they stuck with one thing longer than any one person would consider logical...or even sane...and given their success at that one thing, they now consider themselves experts at everything.
They don't want anyone on the payroll who might be able to see through that.
I refused team projects in college. I would end up doing all the work while the other 3 people played socila butterflies, so I did all the work myself as a single person team. Prof said, you won;t be able to do the work of 4 people. I said "Watch me." and i did, and got an A+ in the course (structural engineering). You want to hire me as a Gen. X worker, I can do the work of 4 people. Today's kids are about 1/2 a worker, so I can do the work of 8 people. LOL
Dang are u even human
good for you
sure sure old man, you maybe can even do the work of over 9000 people. At this point maybe, just maybe start you own company ;) Imagine you being a bus driver, driving the whole country by yourself man.
years ago, they hired three people to replace me when I left.
Now at 60, I do not get call backs or interviews.
And recently when i finally got an interview, and got the highest mark in exams, i was overlooked.
I asked for a raise at my job and got it instead.
But I confess I real wanted the other job that paid less but I wanted the prestige that came with the institution.
Yep, and you do the work of 4 people while not getting paid as 1 person. Thank you for enabling this system.
I'm 57 and work in tech. I've experienced agism in the last three interviews. It was so stark there's no way to interpret it any other way. Until now, getting an interview generally meant i was getting the job. My success rate was that high. Now as soon as I'm on camera, the conversation immediately changes tone. To be fair, i look young for my age with the exception of one factor -- i have greying hair. I chose not to color it over the last few years because I'm in good shape and have good skin so as a whole, I look a good 15 years younger than my actual age. But the grey hair gives away my age. Here's the thing, I will color it soon as I'm looking for my last gig, which will be remote. The other big thing is that I am already financially free and can walk from work today if i choose. My recommendation for anyone in the workforce is live very far below your means and build an exit door. Even if you want to work until full retirement age -- i certainly do not -- employers aren't going to let you.
This is excellent advice. Im a bit younger than you but at an age where it has become obvious. Funny thing is I have better ideas, more experience and Im more physically fit than 95% of younger employees. Glad my younger self started saving and investing bc having financial security makes me unafraid of what someone who discriminates by age will do. Trying to teach this to my Gen Z children…..
@@kenny3269 There is no ageism in companies. I just took a whole day of training about it.
I agree about hair color. I am 47 with lot of white hair. People used to say I look much older. Now I color them, they say I look younger...
Maybe they think they can't afford you. If the budget is for 150k and you want 250k, you are nowhere near a fit
@@z352kdaf8324 which is never the case. The salary range question happens in the first screening interview.
I'm Gen-X (born in 1976) and I've been told that I'm over-qualified endlessly.
I have a PhD in biochemistry and 22 years experience yet I've been laid since June of 2023, so far that 13 months and there's no end in sight.
For science, that is the reality, although I didn't realize that it impacted PhDs as much. They always want new blood for MS/BS, even though we were treated as glorified technicians at times, and strongly preferred new grad PhDs rather than an experienced MS. It also came down to which professor they had as a mentor, as well as which school they attended. For the majority of us, after exiting chemistry (for whatever reason) in later 30s/40s, it meant that the next step had to be a career change to something different. If I had to do it again, I would have picked a degree that is more transferable to other industries, but it is what it is. Your network is important, but they can quickly abandon you to save their own image.
Can you consult while you look for a new job? The market is tough.
@@carolynngockel3670 I had been interviewed for such a gig by a law firm last year due to my 16 years experience in western blotting. It went nowhere.
@@carolynngockel3670I interviewed last July for a consulting job with a law firm working on a case. This was due to my 16 years experience with western blotting.
It didn't lead to anything which is especially unfortunate because l thought it would be interesting.
Shaking my head. a PhD, who cannot find work. Terrible.!
Be careful about discriminatory pay also. I found out a year into a job that was already far below my qualifications, that I was the most qualified, experienced, and educated, and the lowest paid. I was 60. My team members were 20, 30, 31, 30, 28, 32. The HR team was furious when I found out a year into the job, right after a promotion to another team. I asked them to pay me the difference between the highest paid team member and my salary for that year. We argued about it for the next two years until I finally quit over it. Meanwhile, I was passed over for a promotion that required a minimum of three years management experience and at least one year in the specialty. They chose a 25 year old with no management experience and no time in that specialty. Guess who had to train him? Guess who came in an hour early and skipped lunch and stayed late to do half of the manager role in the three months it took to make that poor decision? Guess who got a 2% raise that year even though cost of living went up 8%? Guess whose new manager would not invest in any training for her because he wanted more training for himself?
Now, guess who walked out leaving a resignation email on a Friday at 5:00 just before the manager was leaving for his 4th week-long training in two months?
Good on you! I experienced nearly the same and I’m 57
older people are not expensive, they do pay us less.
@@babalu-oc6iuthat’s why the past 20 years I stopped giving employers more time without pay. I feel so much happier doing so. They don’t care if you work standard hours or more. If they want you out, you’re done.
Never stay with a company that is mistreating you! Did you file a complaint with eeoc?
did you manage to get a higher paying job? I hate when that happens and I hope I dont experience that in the future when I grow older
One thing I've realized about Millennials and GenZers is that they are the most siloed generations ever. As a GenXer I knew I had to work with a multigenerational workplace. This means I worked alongside members of the Silent Generation, Boomers the same age as my parents, my own GenXers, and Millennials. We GenXers knew we had to be adaptable and open minded to generations that may view things differently, and still make it work. We were adaptable. Millennials and GenZers are inherently inflexible, and don't even get along with each other.
I don't know. GenXer here as well. I have a millennial son and GenZer son. They have the way they are. As best as I can see, every generation has a similar percentage size of 'go getters'. If all my GenXer peers were as motivated, adaptable and open minded as they say then why did I pass by most of them despite having a learning disability? The truth is talk is talk and action is action. I look forward to working with the new set of 'go getters'.
Further, I don't waste their time talking about the discrepancies between generations. I say what I say here. Every generation has those interested in putting the work in and I look forward to working with those people.
As a Millenial, I can wholeheartedly disagree. As this man speaks on ageism (which I believe is wrong), your comment is ageist in itself. I thoroughly enjoy working with folks from all walks of life.
I think that you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Learn to put a sentence together without using your phone or saying "like" 5 times. We older workers are at running our liitle remote freelance businesses from a beautiful Mexican beachhouse.
@@megnrei your response shows how inflexable you are.
@@megnrei You have confused ageism with an objective observation.
This video is so accurate. I look younger than my age, but have been subjected to managers who are threatened by my experience. It’s like the work you have done, you cannot brag about it or even acknowledge it because you are subjected to ageism. Jobs are not forever. Use these companies, invest as much as possible, and leave.
Same situation as you and agree with you 110%.
Same here. Have to pretend that my knowledge is secondary to his and my successful results occur through his insights. But if things don’t work out, guess who’s responsible.
Then, simply lower the retirement age to 50.
Trust me, there are many of us who don't want to be on the corporate hamster 🐹 wheel 🛞 any longer than we have to.
Again, the powers that be don't want to hire older workers. Great 👍! Simply lower the official retirement age to 50, which is what it should be anyway. 😳
I lost my corporate loss control insurance job and then went into an eight year tailspin before I snapped out it . Ageism is absolutely a part of the workplace that workers must deal with
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The employers can’t control somebody who is of age as much as they can somebody who’s young. We don’t stand for a lot of BS.
Got it, unstated job qualification, Advanced Controllability.
Speak for yourself. I am the employee not the employer. MY employers do not like me because I am always expendable. I do the work they can no longer do themselves. It is not my job to do your work. I am here to help do the work. Always expendable.
This has to be the answer. That's why things don't make sense during the outset. Also nepohires see us as a threat naturally, as you will be in their friend/family circle, regardless, bringing out odd behaviour
All of these comments are eye opening. I’m 48, had planned to work until 65, but I realize now that I should plan to retire at 55…anything past that will be a bonus. Already, I’m one of the older people in my company.
What career area are you in? Engineering? Accounting?
@@da009999Accounting
I hit the invisible ceiling at 50. I couldn't apply to large organizations because they asked about when I graduated. If I passed that hurdle, I had to deal with HR and others before meeting the hiring manager who knew nothing about the role. Instead, I bypassed job applications and HR to get hired. Eventually I found that I make more money as a consultant than as an employee. Besides I don't want to retire. I love the work, the people, the challenges. It keeps me young. My dad retired at 55 or the dream. He live until his 90s. From my persspective, he had a lot more to contribute and didn't get the chance. I am making my own opportunities.
@@da009999Accounting.
Same here. I am 46 and feel like I’m being pushed out as well. I was laid off a year ago and had a heck of a time finding a new job. Over and over again I’d see employers hiring but they only want people with 2 years experience, max. I have 15 years experience as a mechanical engineer but no one wants to hire me because I’m overqualified. Their reason is because someone fresh out of college is malleable. Can be molded to the company’s ideal. I ended up having to take a contract role far below my level. But it pays the bills so I’m okay with it.
This is the time to start consulting.
Consultants don't intimidate.
Shit managers get the credit for commissioning good consultants.
Experience is valuable.
So much this. They may not want to *hire* us, but they damned well *need* us and they will pay one way or another.
They aren't going to hire you as a consultant either.
@@donnafromnyc Ah, fear projection.
Tell it to all the consultants making very good money. Actually, never mind. They are too busy to bother listening to naysayers like yourself.
@@donnafromnyc it depends what you do I guess.
@walsakaluk1584 Marketing. It's totally devalued now. I was always able to get consulting work with less experience than I have now. Now, zip.
I do contract machine/automation design work from my home. No one knows how old I am. I am paid well and I don't commute. I am building a cottage and I plan to work from there in the next few years. My skills are in demand. You can't fake your way through machine design....it requires experience. Older/experienced guys are retiring and hard to find.
You omit year of birth in cv and nobody asks in interview?
@@googleuser4207 I don't interview. They already need me. If they are speaking to me, they are happy. They only ask how soon I can get started. Experienced designers are in short supply. Once they have you, they don't want to let you go because they know they can't replace you....and the next customer will try to keep you busy also. It's a good gig...but it took over 20 years of experience to get here. It's not an easy job and most people don't stay in it very long. I did...and I enjoy it. Cheers.
@googleuser4207 you put your birth year in your resume? Is that required where you are?
@@metricdeep8856.... Yeah I've been in machine design for a long time and still love it. I'm building my new house full time now and hope demand for my services is still there when I drop back in. Hearing that the US needs to double manufacturing capacity in the next ten years says I should be fine.
@@DarthFurie It's illegal to ask you that question. Keep all 'old jobs' off your resume. Nothing more than the last 15 or so years of work and no date on college graduation, etc.
Young people say they aren't being hired.
Older people saying they aren't being hired.
So who's being hired. 😂
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I'm in the employment industry. What I've seen is those getting hired are cherry picked from competitors using head hunters.
What happens is HR gets overloaded with DEI candidates as per policy. But the problem is the hiring manager doesn't want them (unqualified, unproductive and comes with attitude) but can't say that. (Ironically HR is often bogged down with DEI issues, but this is good for HR). The hiring manager has to wait long enough for HR to fail, then engages a head hunter or networking process. This is slowing down the hiring process to a crawl.
@@davedsilva so what happens to the vacancies left behind during musical chairs. If people are poaching talent that seems as though there there is still a void.
Seems like people are relying on the same talent pool while leaving innovation behind 🤔
Many are “pipeline” job ads. Just collecting resumes.
@@vivianworden Trading skilled employees, a fixed number of experts sloshing back and forth, with those companies never pausing to consider where skilled professionals come from. Of course, they come from less skilled professionals who are hired despite their lower skill levels, and develop to higher skill levels by working in the field, in the real world, for a year or two or several.
This happened to my wife, she had more experience and was better at the job than the director. They felt threatened and after 8 weeks they let her go. Utterly disgusting all because the director felt inferior.
I totally noticed this when I turned 50 and tried to change careers. Holy criminy, with my Master of Science degree I literally had to plead and beg for a job as a gas station clerk and barely got it but one manager said yes. Edit to add: before I decided to switch careers I was not even allowed to apply for a nurse job at one hospital because they literally described that they did not take applications from people who have worked as a nurse for 10 years or more. WOW! Edit again to say: As a former management person I really enjoyed stepping down out of that into the freedom of just doing the work. That is such a huge and attractive plus that I think the folks hiring us just don't have a clue.
Yeah, I've ran into "experience caps".
Good luck on getting the feedback most times. You take the interview with an HR person. They dismiss you. You'll never get the chance to pose your questions because they (HR) refuse communication. Of course, on practically every job ad there's a desire for "Must have excellent communications skills." This doesn't apply to interviewing, however.
They did this when I was very young too
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Every hospital wants experienced doctors- no employer wants an old factory worker - remember what you always knew - “you’re on your own.” (Good luck)
You would think so. My pcp of 20 yrs just retired and explained that the major hospital that owned his practice wanted younger drs who could see 20 patients a day. He took his time, could diagnose you before results confirmed, and has great bedside manner. His replacement is a great guy who tries hard, but the lack of experience shows. Btw he’s having to take a lot of time with patients too.
The key to get jobs is be exactly 35. Anything less you are inexperienced. Over 35 you're overqualified and not energetic enough.
Either that or look young and energetic.
@@SafeEffective-ls2pl But then you have to leave off half of your resume' to match the "younger and energetic" look.
@@Bradimoose That seems to be the sweet spot. 32-35.
Absolute rubbish comment. 😳
Can't get jobs at 34. Overqualified for entry level jobs cause I have a PhD in Physics. Not qualified for certain jobs because my degree isn't in Electrical Engineering.
Wow!! This was so fantastic! I'm 59, been out of work since December 2023, with only a handful of interviews. The discrimination is astonishing. Not only am I "overqualified", I'm a Female with a disability. I am practically begging just to get a first interview. If I ever make it to a round with a hesitant huring manager, I will definitely take your advice and call out the Elephant in the room. Like you said, what is there to lose!
I worked in health care for 9 years at the VA in Tampa FL. After leaving Florida in 2017 i worked with a underground internet company. Finally last year at 64 i decided to go back to healthcare, I applied and was hired 2 days later. What they said was we need people to show up, I do and it's been great.
I’m glad for you, seems like that’s a big deal out here with the younger generation. Not showing up!!
@@xcaret-ns3pbnow there was a time where I wasn't like that. And they used to say the same thing about us. I think that was the early eighties I was on a roll after getting out of the Navy LOL
I hear that about every field. I guess being able to pass a background check, a drug test and showing up is above average these days.
The problem they have is that an experienced person comes in and can see the holes in their inefficient ways. You're going to know more than your manager. Then when you tell your manager that this mistake will cost you potentially 40-50K, they think you're kidding.
That was my experience. I then collected the data, did the analysis, and wrote a report that proved my argument. Needless to say, I don't work there anymore.
@@Dennis0824 I don't have a job right now. I've never been off this long.
@@Dennis0824 Same here! Much of the time, the management doesn't know what its own role and responsibility is within an organisation. It then becomes representative of the well-known image of looking up a telegraph pole with pidgeons shitting down at different levels. It gets worse, the larger the organisation. If these people owned the business and paid the bills, they wouldn't behave like this. Always other people's money...
@@gppsoftware Very true. They do the absolute minimum to justify their position and nothing more until the small problems turn into huge problems and then they panic.
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Truth. I am 65 and just got laid off due to be being a high dollar employee and being 65. I know I have topped out. I am willing to work for less for a few years. Consulting seems to be the answer. I just want to contribute and work a few more years.
I'm not quite in your situation, but not very different. I've been told I should put up a shingle and be a consultant. What kind of consultant? Doing what? Who are my clients? How do I run my own business when I have zero business aptitude? "Dammit Jim I'm a Software Doctor not a ^#%@& business entrepreneur!" The idea has never gone anywhere for me, due to lack of any clue or vision of how it would work.
Find a hobby. Since you're so awesome at everything.
when those are up you will want a few more
@@DrunkenUFOPilot Maybe partner with someone. Consulting can be extremely profitable, much more than a job.
High dollar employees do something called retire. Guess we should've been a high keeper. Being reduced should be a blessing.
People in the job market these days are specifically told that the best way to make the most money is to not stay with one company too long, and it's true. Young people have caught onto this. These younger generations aren't all as stupid or naive as these companies think they are. Most workers nowadays (especially younger ones) are only as loyal as the dollar amount you put in front of them. You want my loyalty? You can buy it, or I can go somewhere else. Then you hear people saying stupid stuff like "No one wants to work anymore." But the people who say that always leave off the second part of that statement. "No one wants to work anymore for lowball wages while taking on ever-increasing workloads without additional benefits." Yes, that's correct.
Seems to me all these corporations don't like the mercenary mindset they helped create among present-day workers.
And now I see this advice is about to jump the shark. The people doing it will realize and are realizing that there is a cap you hit. You can’t make 150k as a bookkeeper for example just by endlessly job hopping. Also many people think this advice worked because they were underpaid or super entry level so we’re going to make more no matter where they were. I’ve seen younger people job hop and think they owned the system, meanwhile there coworker was making the same five seconds later, they didn’t really need to job hop
@@istvanprahaI think you missed the point of the comment. There's plenty of good companies out there willing to continue paying for loyalty and good work. Just because the young person leaves an underpaid work doesn't mean that they won't find a new one that will compensate accordingly. Keep that in mind 😊
Well said. I’m a “middle-aged” Millennial and I really look up to Gen-Z. For all the things they’re accused of being, from illiterate to having no real marketable skills, I still think they are the most savvy at navigating the job market. Simply put, they have zero tolerance when it comes to their employers. And how can anyone be mad at that?
@caliburn2077 agreed. You have said everything that I've been saying for years! Can you blame the youth? I sure don't.
Yep. They created this.
I am a professional librarian and I heard “rumblings” about not being able to keep new (to the profession, and younger) librarians, at conferences in the mid-2000s, bec they (new hires) would leave.
They were leaving quickly for better opportunities…
Reality is you can’t “Boss” senior Employees. They have experience and knowledge it takes a “Lifetime” of Commitment to achieve
A 32 year old female manager took me a 50 year old man as direct report and subordinate. Had a lot of respect for her doing that. She was a strong confident woman and most other people of her age and gender would not have employed me. She wanted the best and most competent candidate.
Good support for her climb to the top.
No one under 45 should be in the role as a superior over an older person. It is absurd as they don't have the wisdom, knowledge, experience, or reasoning ability of older people, on average.
Plus, no man should ever be subordinate to a woman, and definitely not to one that could also be his daughter's age.
Women should be in the home, raising the children, taking care of the home, as it says in God's Word.
@@willp.8120 first, there's no god. Second, the powers that be wanted women in the workplace to increase tax revenue and indoctrinate children. Third, find me an intelligent, kind and wealthy man and I'll gladly be his helper for life.
Did you know Gloria Steinhem was a cia agent?
Hope you find a ride to the 16th century. The rest of us prefer to hang out here.
My favorite was the recruiter who failed to call back on the appointed day, answered my call and told me they went in a different direction, THEN A WEEK LATER, called me up with no memory of shooting me down and, once reminded, hung up the phone. This guy WORKED AS AN IN-HOUSE RECRUITER. I’m glad I don’t work for that company.
It’s the lack of professionalism in recruitment and employers even some don’t even do background checks with certain positions .
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I've dumbed down my resume. I have over 30 years experience.
I had to do that too. I immediately got two job offers.
What's the point? They don't read resumes anyway, they either have AI read them, or ask to repeat what's already on the resume. Reading is a painful chore in Jesusland #freedums
I have done the same. I have 20 years of experience and an M..A. I now put 11 years of experience and have considered removing my Masters degree from USC. It cost me $60k but no one cares and just flags my resume as someone who might want to be paid fairly.
You should have multiple resumes to match multiple skillsets. You can even have multiple knicknames.
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So, I've been with same private medical practice for 15 years now. I was the youngest nurse when I was hired and now I'm one of the older OGs. I'm 42 and the other girls are in their early to late 30s. They're fantastic, truly, but there's a reason why I make more, I'm given the responsibility and promotion of managing a sector, and the providers frequently come to me when they have questions or important tasks, plus I get to work 4 days rather than 5-6. I put in my time and a good employer will respect and reward that BUT it's not instant! You have to earn it and so many people don't want to do that anymore. If you're fresh out of school with no experience, they're not going to pay you exactly what an experienced employee is - duh! The thing is, I LOVE my job and plan to retire with them. It's a blessing and I know that. I just notice the different ideology towards work now and it's so foreign to me.
You lucked out with a rare, loyal employer who values expertise.
If they went to nursing school, they have some experience. Not just as much as yours. The federal minimum wage has gone up in the past few decades. If it's $20/hour, then no employee or manager should get mad at them for asking for that amount. Playing office politics does help A LOT in order to get promoted.
I'm almost 60 and am encountering ageism. Yet, I still perform at my job as a Sr. Engineer more effectively than the young bucks. We should be valued because of our experience. However, the insecure narcissistic egos of the young hiring managers feel insecure with a person working for them that has 5X as much experience.
Refreshing to see some honesty on this subject. I’m 63 and retired, but I saw this several times as a hiring manager since the mid 90s. But a big part of this is cost. “Young, dumb, stupid”…and cheap.
Man companies hire who they want it’s like dating
Companies to have credit have to comply with 'compliance' which forces them into ESG / DEI. This comes from finance folks... Social engineering by the bankers. Goal is population reduction. DEI = No children.
Yeah, you have to be attractive and if you’re female, some men who are your boss like blonde and if you don’t have big titties, then they don’t trust you. Also, if you are not acting like an airhead and loudly, they’re not gonna like you if you’re smart or quiet.
As the oldest person at work - a little bit of Botox, a good sense of self-deprecating humor and a youthful mindset so far fooled the team into thinking I’m a Millennial/Gen Z-er. (I’ve heard “you wouldn’t get it, you’re not old enough for that” a few times at work and just secretly laugh). Planning to keep that up and see how long I can fool em’. Highly recommend it - life’s too short not to have fun with it all, and sometimes you just have to conform to some societal expectations to stay in the game.
Lol you are a bit gullible. Payroll knows your real age. It is just a matter of time for you now.
Yet there's no ageism for the presidency or Congress...
This is by design. Here yes there no
Actually there is. We have a weird obsession with youth in this country even in politics
This aged like French Bread
It's a popularity contest judged primarily by the elderly
Absolutely correct. We the people need to limit presidency or congress age.
Sounds exactly right. I'm either overqualified or underqualified or both, there may be zero overlap.
I have tons of experience, as a software developer / devops, I can literally accomplish anything, but something intangible isn't clicking.
I go through multiple rounds of interviews ( which usually miss the point ), and then get ghosted because one of tens or hundreds of people is a slightly better fit ( at solving riddles and trivia and making an impression, or the age thing, or something ).
I'm about to give up on this whole job search and go freelance, it's like playing a lottery, and a rigged one at that, that one cannot win.
Tired of this.
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Most employers who put applications in Indeed have a required field for year of graduation. You can’t submit the application without putting in that year. It allows them to screen out most applicants over a certain age and never even interview them.
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I went back to school at age 40. When they ask graduation date I only state that date and effectively shave off 20 years from my age. The only problem now is THAT graduation date is 20 years ago so that is being problematic....
Talk to young employees about profit-loss, workflow, basic accounting and economics, etc. Nothing. Empty vessels. No connection to the work they perform or its wider importance. Automatons.
True. I'm a CPA and work on complex M&A and consulting. The younger CPA partners are clueless data entry AI bots
@@SafeEffective-ls2pl Yeah. “Work by numbers” as a friend calls the “work” of the younger ones-“disengaged” at best.
I think they bring a different set of skills... BUT critical thinking and initiative aren't two of them.
@@imbradleyrichardsonthat's simply ridiculous assumption
Why should they be?
Yeah, the younger managers see the world from their point of view. When you are young, its all about money. As people get older and have saved money, it becomes less important. As you stated, sometimes, you want a job with less stress that pays less. You just want to do the job and go home. I went from manager to supervisor and now am an individual contributor in a related field. I can't be happier.
They want loyalty train, give raises and pensions. That's what bought loyalty in the past.
Another issue I went into is not to work somewhere if the workforce has group commonality you don’t share: They all go to the same church. Or they all came from poverty or extreme wealth. Or all are retired military.
Yeah, like they only hire people who want to a certain alma matter who is from the military.
great point
Exactly the same group dynamics here in Japan. I've been a tenured professor of English Communication and was one of only 2 native speakers in the country on the Ministry of Education's English Textbook committee. Bullied into resigning in protest at age 58, I figured I would go back to making a living as an adjunct (part-time) professor because there are so many colleges in the the Tokyo, Yokohama, and Kawasaki area. Wrong. Japan is no more a meritocracy than the U.S. I am now 69, and 41 years as a popular teacher and community volunteer means absolutely nothing ... and I am lucky to get a job as a local children's "English teacher" ... a euphemism for "baby-sitter".
I find this sad, but interesting. My starting assumption would be that good schools want good teachers, but it sound like your experience is that they go for looks/age/whatever more than qualifications?
@@thomasandersen9310 Hi Thomas. Yes, although sad, I also find it interesting, and as a result, have done an awful lot of reading and listening to podcasts about social psychology (group dynamics in particular), comparative culture, and human nature in general. One angle I have found in trying to understand things is by first trying to define conversational terms more precisely. I agree with your reasoning, but whe we start trying to define "good" and "school", we are heading down the rabbit hole.
For example, from who's angle do we define "good schools'? Most Japanese universities and colleges depend on some funding from the Japanese central Ministry of Education, as do all public schools from grades 1 through 12, 1 through 9 being compulsory. From the view of the Ministry and the larger Japanese nation-state, "good" could be defined as simply as 'compliance to their authority" ... and have little to do with the highest of educational ideals such as nurturing responsible, morally autonomous, members of society, or even something more practical such as viable job skills.
I have worked with some management in schools whose behavior indicates that their highest educational goal is imprinting 'compliance to authority' at a young age. Historically, and world-wide, there is a good argument that most institutions are designed to squash personal creativity and growth, quite the opposite of what the rich do with private tutors and elite schools. From the view of an outsider to Japanese culture at the deepest, subconscious levels, institutional life in Japan ... schools, government, or corporate ... do appear to be much more rigidly hierarchical than Western counterparts. All of the rules (some Jr. High or High School girls have been forced to artificially straighten or dye their hair so as to not stand out from the average students' appearances), the mandatory uniforms, the focus on rituals and marching ... all looks a lot like U.S. military boot camp, and meant to break down individuality in favor of compliance to authority.
But the Japanese style of 'modern' education is doing exactly what its Prussian roots (and then later, Victorian England) was designed to do, raise young people to efficiently fulfill a role in the military or the work force. Brute memorization and standardized testing are the primary heuristics of moving students to the next institution or their role in civil life. There are some benefits ... such as the relatively low rate of violent crime, but that comes at a high cost such as seen in the high rate of child suicides and other signs of low emotional well-being, the continued weakening of the family as the most fundamental unit of humans as social primates, and the resulting drastic aging of the population and decline in birth rate.
Some of this may be an emergent phenomenon similar to historic cycles described in the West such as Strauss and Howe's "Generational Theory". But I suspect some of this is premeditated by the ruling class, Lobaczewski's book "Political Ponerology" as an example taken from the psychopathy behind the former Soviet Union's brand of collectivism. And no doubt about it, Japan is a 'democracy' in name only. It is arguably as collectivist as China or the former Soviet Unton.
Will refrain from exploring further for now because most consumers of comments or sub-comments have a very low threshold for reading anything longer than a sentence or two. Just wanted to let someone know that even though I am a victim, the educator and student in me also finds this interesting.
Very interesting. Thank you
I was hired a little over one year ago by a leading defense contractor of the United States Government and I'm still working there. At the same time I was interviewing with my current employer another company was very interested in interviewing me. I did contact this company informing them I accepted another offer and thank them for their time and interest. I'm 74 years old, but act like a kid.
Your very lucky to even get a job offer at your age. LOL
Because they have to pay older workers more and can't pull the same b.s. they can with workers fresh from school?" The young can be worked like mules and they will take it, where as someone with 20-years in the work force will have fairly set boundries.
They don't want older workers, especially over 50, in part due to greater legal protections for older workers. Plus they worry older employees will have more medical bills and affect the company's insurance premiums. That's another reason why we need universal health care vs. put the burden on the backs of employers. We are the only industrialized nation without universal health care.
Older people are less likely to change jobs and waste the investment that companies make in new employees.
Younger people are much more likely to change jobs and therefore waste the investment made in them.
HR Managers - yeah I know, but I still want to hire this young person.
Soo True! I think they also don't realize is the older generation is ready to do simple jobs after we tire of leading the charge all the time. My older team members 99% of the time always made it happen. You got a subscriber boss.
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I just found your channel. It's true that in the private sector, older workers are not wanted or liked. In the public sector, it's the complete opposite! The average age of a federal government employee is 47, while in the private sector it's 32. Everything you say on here is 100% facts!!
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This happened to my mom and it definitely affected her self-esteem.
If you’re a nurse, they will take you if you’re old, but you have to get the Covid vaccine and a lot of people have bad reactions and they don’t want to get the vaccine so they got out of the nursing field. If you work in healthcare worker they still want to give you the vaccineis unbelievable but if you OK with the vaccine and you’re OK with changing careers and healthcare as a way to go, you can always work the office, but you still have to get the vaccine
The hard truth is once you reach a level of skill or experience you will only make what you are worth working for yourself. The facts are that your skills ARE needed and companies will pay. Consult.
Boomers are retiring and neither Millennials nor Gen Z have nearly the skills we have. Those who came behind us never dealt with the breadth of issues we have had to as we rose up through the ranks. Companies diluted responsibilities to reduce pay.
Your skills are not replaceable by those coming up behind us. I see it day in and day out.
Great point. Brain drain is real
"How full of yourself are you?" - "Yes!"
@@howdy9061 Sorry you think so poorly of yourself you don't believe you have any marketable skills.
I mean, it looks like that is true. But I still feel sorry for you.
As for myself? Over 55 and still making great money because my skills are very much in demand. Hell, I even took a job paying $50k less than I could have because it was one I personally preferred. That's not being "full of oneself". That's being competent and capable. A shame you don't know what that is like.
The problem is rather than fix things, management is happy to continue with the decline .The "Crisis of competence" is real and in every sector. For every Boeing that makes the news, there are scores of businesses out there that are running on smoke and mirrors
It's true. I became a creator because finding a job in the tech industry or anywhere else has been so hard. It's so ridiculous. I've worked in high tech, at Apple, etc. and no one is biting.
about 5 years ago, I decided to leave senior management and go back into the technical side of my field. Obviously, I took less money at first. My new manager's first words to me were--and I kid you not--"just remember that I'm in charge". My answer to that was simple, "first if you have to tell people you are in charge, you're not, and second, the LAST thing I want in my life now is being the nose and bottom wiper for a bunch of whiny people. You have nothing to fear because the last job I want is yours."
She did not know whether I was insulting her or not...LOL. But here I am 5 years later and I have helped her through mentoring to move up the ranks while I have very happily stayed in the technical lane and out earn her significantly. It took her a little while to learn that I had no designs on HER job or any other "management" job. She might have learned faster if she wasn't kind of stupid, but that's her problem...LOL
I have been telling the supervisory managers where I work (for yrs) that THEIR job sucks and I have never applied for it, and never will.
If I said that to my boss I would be fired instantly for insubordination. Also, I told boss straight up that I did not want management position and I liked what I was doing. This got distorted into my not being further trained in any non-management areas. I never said I was not open to expanding my tasks but now they are hiring 19 year olds and training them in my department and also expanding their training and duties beyond what I do. I feel I am being pushed out. Not wanting management duties is not the same as refusing job enrichment .
People who get out of technical roles to become people managers have poor technical skills. If they stay in the technical role they will be kicked out sooner or later.
I will NEVER be a corporate smug. I drive a concrete truck, I don't want their benefits, their insurance I want nothing they offer. 10-99 me and I'm self employed. They need me worse than I need them and I don't ask their permission to take a day off once in a while. If they don't like what I offer next year, I'm heading down the road. There's jobs everywhere for cdl drivers amd the sky is the limit.
Yep, living through that as I write this... and will probably have to find another line of work after 40 years in project management.
Lol it won’t matter. Ageism is in every industry
Consulting??
@@kenbagwell8551 Trying!!
Try the public service. I'm surrounded by people my own age (mid-50s).
I feel all the time. I am 50. Was on restaurant industry as a chef for 23 years after my Air Force service. Well after covid I have been attempting returning to the workforce for past three years and a. Still having to work gig jobs through shiftsmart. Due to no restaurant is willing to have me come on due to my past experience and age.
I love how you turned the hiring into an equation. It is something I’ve been thinking about for a while as an over qualified woman in her 50s with a medical condition. I know I’ve got at least 2 more good years, maybe more but I can’t predict how my condition will progress.
You have given me a way to articulate my USP. Thank you
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I remember reading that middle aged/older workers are perceived as bitter at the world by their younger potential managers and therefore passed over.
There’s so much valuable and truthful information crammed into this 20-minute video that would help people of any age. And maybe, just maybe, some hiring managers might watch this video and change their outdated, dishonest habits; if only because they realize that they will find themselves in the other person’s shoes someday.
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americans worship fake money. They have no souls.
The best way is saving and investing your earned money when you can. Then you can be financially independent then quit if you wish. :-)
I am from generation X and did not get my first real career job until age 40 and was pushed out at age 48. Most of my life has been making lemonade out of lemons. Yes, I served in the armed forces and attended college early, that is, from age 18-26.
Great video! My wife never experienced agism, but she never went to college, even though she has done everything asked of her wearing all these hats HR, 401, payroll, accounting dept, etc…for 40 years with a tested IQ of 145…employers want a degree in each dept she learned on the fly…and more importantly they don’t want to pay so accurate. So she took a 20+K pay cut and went to work with a smaller corporate Co…I feel everyone’s comments are all on point from young to old…
I applied to hundreds of jobs, no one called me back. I thought about hiding my age, but then Goodwill called me, they were the only ones who didn’t care about my age. I probably will stay with Goodwill till I retire in a few years, it’s not the best pay, but I have a job.
Good for you. I’m happy for you.
Lack of response really annoys me. So many applications (spending usually a couple of hours) and no acknowledgement they have even received it. In the old days you at least got the 'Dear John' letter of "sorry, but you have been unsuccessful".
It's funny how young people thinking "ghosting" is something new to them.
@@davinasquirrel7672 you mean in the old days before the Internet where you can basically shoot out resumes by the tens to hundreds? Well, in those days you don’t send out that many resumes so your employer has time to respond to the small amount of résumé they receive. Nowadays with Internet and mobile devices they’re receiving hundreds of thousands of résumé. There’s no way that they could respond back to each person who sends them a résumé.
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The last form of accepted discrimination.
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What about heightism and SDS (small * shaming) with men?
My experience - it depends quite a bit on the industry. In my former field (IT) I was very much a "one trick pony", narrowly focused (multivalue DB) & never moved up the management ladder. Between the Great Recession and age, I was essentially unemployable for several years...until I went into healthcare. There's still ageism here (along with every other -ism you can think of) buuuttt...demand for "hands-on" healthcare people (I'm currently an LVN) has outstripped supply pretty consistently for a good century or so. Hence, being employed isn't likely to be an issue until infirmity kicks in.
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What can be a big bother to me is when employers are digging for experienced recruits, it also takes an opportunity to gain that experience.
I disagree with the assessment that we thought the same. I am Gen X and I never thought I wanted all the old people to get out of the way. I enjoyed the older wisdom and sought it out to learn. These new generations assume that the older generation is nothing but idiots because media and commercials make us out to be morons who don’t even know how to use a cell phone or smart technology. I actually come from a tech background so this doesn’t sit well with me. But I am also blind and I have had recruiters come back to me saying that because I had a guide dog I probably would not like a particular job because there were a lot of people with allergies and they felt like I would be uncomfortable causing so many people misery and constant suffering from allergy symptoms. So believe it when he says people truly do ask for the most judgemental and illegal things because they are ignorant and really shouldn’t be in the positions they are in.
I’m 58 and can’t find a job in the same industry I’ve worked in since 1994 I now make less than I did in 2001 and have zero benefits.
I'm an automotive technician and I'll tell you something I'm 52 years old and these young guns cannot keep up with me and I'm high energy these guys are dragging their feet all day long and can't keep up to a 52 year old man! age is just a number! Gen X all the way any day.
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I graduated high school in '89, undergraduate school in '93, and grad school in '94. I went through all those managerial crap until I got tired that all my guarantees always equated all their broken promises. When I stopped being a go-getter and just doing my work, then they would give me more money for seeming quiet & imcompetent.
Got fired in February by the spoiled millionaires son who just took over the company from his dad who grew up with nothing and built the company from five employees to 25. I made a mistake that is not uncommon and was their best overall technician but the pot head son got rid of me. I was not coincidentally, their highest paid tech and 60 years old. I quickly found work, as experienced techs in my trade are hard to come by. I’m still mad but it’s no use so I try to get past it. The ironic part is that I was the most productive, working Saturdays backing up the on call technicians when they were busy all summer long, and turned over the most sales leads that sold into 15,000-20,000 dollar jobs. The problem with youngsters is they’re stupid, and don’t realize that investing in good people is how you keep a business thriving. Youth is wasted on the young.
The reality is that employers will discriminate and not hire u for being fat, black, asian, woman, single, married, younger or older etc behind closed doors and there's nothing u can do about it.
YOU FORGOT WHITE!!!!!!!!!!! White is the FIRST to be discriminated agaisnt in every part of this country - especially decent jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you forgot discrimination for being white and male.....
Academia is way more accepting of older workers in general. I think part of that has to do with the fact that there are some pretty old professors still teaching. Older workers should look for jobs at universities and colleges.
GenX here. I worked in tech for an increasingly woke company. Even though I was a subject matter expert on their most profitable product, I qualified for their "ageism" policy. I got a year's salary in severance in exchange for not suing or talking, to which I agreed. After taking a few months off, I quickly found a job at another company. Different industry, but similar work. 50% more salary. 10x bonus. Almost everybody I work with is 45+ and some are ex-military. There's no drama. Everybody shares their strengths. It's work, but a good environment. Maybe I got lucky, but there are still some employers out there who don't play the ageism game.
How old were you when this happened?
Sounds perfect. Which company, if you don’t mind sharing?
You could have gotten a lot more if you didn't sign a non-disclosure agreement and sued them.
@@JoesVinylShow1980 right on I know someone who is suing an employee right now in fact, more than one person is suing this employee for xxx harassment at the workplace. Absolutely I know this person did it. Some people don’t like the drama, the courtroom drama and some people don’t want to take time off of work to fight. It’s not easy, especially if you work in the same company
I am 55 and I have 45+ year old co-workers calling me old. East Asian women look young and so even if you are close in age they call you old because you look way older than they look.
This is the exact reason I didn't go into management 30+ years ago and stayed technical, I could see the managers around me were dunces and anybody could do their job. Thus, to keep an edge, I stayed technical and kept up-to-date on the technical side. Now hitting 60 I plan to leave my permanent job and go contracting for the next few years!
I've learned to not argue and that I know how to make something work whether I agree with the direction I'm receiving.