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The leading edge on the prop is always thicker than the trailing edge, like a wing so you did have the prop on backward and if the specs say 3 bladed prop with a 3s then do it, right? Overspin and the prop spinning easier because of being on backward? Operator error for sure, still, thanks for showing a 2 or 3s plane, I prefer the smaller ones for the fun stuff.
It's good of you to admit to frying the motor by over-propping it for your choice of battery (contrary to manufacturers instructions); not so good to have buried the mea culpa deep in a response to a single comment, after dissing the hell out of the product up front.
this Guy cannot even put the prop on correctly that is why the motor is Burt out..If he is going to show how to do rc he really needs to learn what a air foil is rookie move. WOW
Hey, you should have used the 3 bladed prop like they suggested because with a 2 bladed It's already spinning too fast, and you put it on backwards. Which means it's working too hard. You burned up your motor. Or speed control. Or both. You only make these mistakes once. No big deal. Someone might not because you did IF you tell everyone what happened.
He got close by 'feeling' the ESC (which would have cooled down by the time he got to it), but it never occurred to him that he fried the outrunner by: i) swinging the larger 2-blade on 3S (which ZOHD _specifically_ says NOT to do), and ii) running the larger 2-blade _backwards_ (which has been demonstrated back in the early days of electric airplanes by both AstroFlight and Master Airscrew to draw more current).
Either intentional or the plane was quickly thrown together without care. I only found out recently that the numbers always pointed forward, never took notice, never needed to. A prop's shape and contours show which way is forward.
@@klikmausMy thoughts EXACTLY! If you fly planes surely you must understand what an airfoil is and know that a prop is an airfoil. Like you said you can tell which way a prop goes just by looking at it. On top of this we clearly see the numbers on the prop at the beginning of the video facing REARWARDS. 🤦♂️ How this confuses Nate is beyond me. Did he mount the wings upsidedown, no. Also that thin black plastic cover on top of the fuselage is to mount a GPS under, NOT for an FPV antenna, for which there is a slot just in front of the canopy. 🤦♂️🤦♂️ I bought the Drift a month ago as a multipurpose plane to take along on vacation due to its quick toolless assembly and compact box. I haven't had a single issue with it. Great little plane! I've always said that people that believe in the sky fairy ("God") should perhaps reevaluate their education, I think we have a prime example of this here. 🙄
Prop is definitely on backwards. I figured that out as soon as it made that weird sound when you ran the motor for the launch. Don't ask me how I know, lol. Numbers should be facing the front regardless if it's motor or tractor configurations. Having the prop on like that draws a lot of amps wich most likeley damaged your ESC and/or motor.
Numbers on prop ALWAYS face forward. 3s recommended the 3 blade prop because the two blade has less resistance and causes the motor to over rev. Three blade more resistance equals less motor rpm..
Yes. As many have commented. Your prop was on backwards The concave side always faces to the rear, and the convex side to the front. Easy mistake. I have done it myself. It will fly, but with reduced performance. Keep up the reviews. You guys are great and your testimony is greatly appreciated!
Prop is wrong direction plea when running a 2 blade on 3s instead of the 3 blade it creates cavitating that over speeds the motor and can make it burn up because there is not enough load
Nate and Abbey, I’m glad you chose to post this video then to reshoot it. I’ve made bonehead mistakes before and crumpled a few RCs in my time. Despite all the harsh negativity, this incident will have an effect on lots of RC enthusiasts to think twice if not sure their setup is kapisch. Keep up the great work and dedication. I look forward to your videos.
Prop is backwards. The leading edge of a prop is rounded, and the trailing edge is sharp. It just burnt up your motor because it was pulling too much current. There was not enough resistance.
I have put the prop on backwards a few times. It's installed relative to the planes direction and not the motor orientation. It can be confusing if not thinking of the planes direction.
It's on backwards, all right, but I think the main problem is the fact that you tried to use a house of cards as a trampoline. Drifts aren't meant for line of sight fun at all. They are minimalistic endurance wonders for FPV, meant to explore the next county at less than two amps throttle all afternoon. So their motors and ESCs are as small and light as possible, not designed to buzz around the field. There are even warnings from ZOHD that the Drift has a never exceed speed of 15 m/s or so. Don't criticize the model, guys, it's not designed for your part of the hobby, but for mine, and it shines there. Mine has more than 100 flight hours on it using the original motor and ESC. And the tiny lid on top? Not for a camera or antenna, but for the GPS unit. Happy flying!
I agree, this was definitely my fault. However I must say that I was only about half throttle most of the time. Surprised at these results, but I do take full credit for this mishap. Thanks for watching! 👍😎⚓️
I killed my drift by forgetting to change the prop for a 3s battery too, the sound it made when u were launching was a warning sign, that 3s battery NEEDS the 3 blade prop
Numbers on the props always face the direction of flight. The two blade prop was too large for 3 cell. The 3 blade prop is a smaller diameter prop meant for 3 cell. Sorry for the burnout, but this is how we learn. :)
I must disagree with your statement on two Blade versus 3 blade, why would a 3 blade prop on 3s have prevented the burnout oh, yes it is smaller diameter but still three blades have way more drag than two blades.
@@SteadfastRC Experience.... I have the same plane (white version). Still have the factory motor/esc. Flown it on both props: 2S = 2 blade, 3S = 3 blade. The 3 blade is significantly smaller... like half the diameter, etc. I agree, normally for equal size 3 blades have more drag / need more torque to turn; however, in this case the size actually matters. :) Cheers.
@@jakesartinnot true, if the prop was on backwards (which it is) it will still fly forward but not efficiently. By flipping the props in any RC doesn’t change the direction of thrust, it just changes its air efficiency and that is all it does.👍👍💯💯
This was totally my fault, but I would like to add: I’ve flown full flights of airplanes in the past with props on backwards. Though less efficient, it still flew and did not fry or show any indication of burning up. Choosing the correct prop; I figured I’d be okay as long as I didn’t full throttle it much and just planned on cruising around at mid to low throttle. But again I know it was my fault 👍😅😬⚓️
You have definitely saved someone making a similar blunder with theirs, so well done for being honest, i admire that very much. Good people and excellent channel. Please change motor and take her back out there for follow up review, staying tuned. Any other glider style rc planes you would recommend for beginners? Totally trashed my multiplex easy star 2 at the park yesterday, lots of nose dives because the elevator wasnt doing a good enough job pulling up and user error on my behalf putting battery too far forward
I have the white Drift and run 3S with the prop for 3S. As many others have said, you had the prop on backwards Nate and you defo should not use the prop designed for 2S packs when running 3S. It will pull way too many amps, especially when you fly it line of sight and are doing roles etc. If you had been in calm winds and could keep to around 1/3 throttle or less, you might have got away with it (especially if prop was correct orientation!). Better luck next time. My Drift flies great and I have it set up FPV. I love it, but don't get as many chances to fly it as I would like, especially since I have a health issue at the moment that limits my ability to get out. Keep up the good work both of you :)
Yes the prop is on backwards and you should use the 3 blade prop . Think about the thrust it goes back so the blade must face the same way as if it were in front
Could tell from the sound of the prop as soon as u throttled up that it was backwards. Nate next time you come back to this plane do your viewers a favour, bench test and educate them how you relalised the prop was backwards and talk about the prop specs 2&3 blade.
I know everyone's said the props backward (which it is) and the way to remember- since motor is on the back, it spins backwards (reference a front prop as you think through it during assembly. At this pt during assembly you can correct motor spin by swapping wires if needed). Then lastly on prop orientation- the slants of the props act like a spoon scooping air so orient it so it scoops air and forces it back).
I believe the prop is on backwards actually. In my experience, I have always had numbers labeling, and what not on the backside or offloading side of the prop. Because if you have decals, and what not on the forward side of the prop that will mess up, how the prop cuts the air.
Thanks Nate & Abby! Thanks for sharing this cool airplane, I've never seen it before, either the brand or the model. I could tell by the video close up of the prop that you had it on backwards. Numbers or no numbers, a propeller is a little air foil and I could see the light shining across the rounded edge of the blade (The top of the air foil) facing towards the tail of the plane. ❤
It honestly felt like it was installed backwards when I had it on the other way. I tried both while prepping this at the house!! But yes this was entirely my fault. I don’t know why pusher prop planes ALWAYS confuse me when installing the prop!! I need a goofy method to help me remember so this never happens to me again. Thanks for watching!! 👍💯😎⚓️
Prop is definitely backwards. #2 the 3 blade would be a bit quieter more blades less noise. #3 the 2 blade will be less balanced vs a 3 blade in cheap plastic. You should revisit and test both props and see what’s what. Running a smalle 3 blade I’m betting the plane flys better all round 🤟 cheers to the sky’s
People are so condescending it’s amazing. There is no reason to make a mistake on purpose. The money difference on clicks is minimal. Give me a break. Most people in RC have made this very same mistake, I know I have.
Hopefully realizing your mistake you rename and review this video considering it was your fault it failed. I have the normal white version. Analog running Inav for FPV LR. 1hr 15min flights. It’s pretty okay
To me, everything is a learning experience. Just recently setup my EC 1500. Had a little doubt about the props orientation. Because of your video, went back and checked mine. Pretty sure I had my right prop backwards. Not being the most experienced on prop orientation, your video made me check. And I THANK YOU very much for that! Guess I'll know when I maiden it. LEARNING EXPERIENCES.
Sorry but Imho you gave 2mins of great insight but 8mins of waffle and padding. It would have been better if the last few minutes had been used with an update as to what went wrong, and what you did to put it right?
In the pushers I have, the convex curvature of the prop always goes to the front of the aircraft for greatest efficiency, that is to push the air backward. Even then, the motor or esc should not have quit like that. I was looking at that plane for a future little fun plane. No longer interested. If a manufacturer decides to quit your relationship with them because you demonstrated their faults, that is your gain and their loss, and you are better off for it.
Not sure if the backward prop caused the burnout (it was backwards), but I can tell you from experience that the 3S with the 2 blade prop definitely will. I wanted the 2 blade more than I wanted to follow my directions. They should probably make a bigger deal about that in the instructions. Also, you were flying pretty aggressively for this plane. Hopefully, they have improved the wings, but my wings (white version) broke at the root end flying like that. I’ve reinforced them with tape and I still love flying this plane today.
Thanks! I really like my ZOHD Drift Dark Breeze, I used a Spektrum Smart receiver with my NX6 transmitter. I also wanted to stay under 250 grams, so I use a 2s battery. It really is floats in the air.
when you put more voltage ( = RPM's!) into the motor, you have to "gear down" by using the appropriate prop - just like you would use a smaller pinion gear in a car. That's the purpose of the 3s prop - to not overload the esc/motor.
A 3 bladed prop loads the motor up more. Putting a 2 blade of same spec on a motor = less Amps. The 3 blade will be a much less pitch if its designed for the 3s battery..
@@M4rkmcc21 all else being equal, sure. But they were clear in the video that the seller intended the 3 bladed prop for 3s use, which means by definition it must be a smaller diameter and/or lower pitch in order to present less load to the motor.
The prop is not backward. It would not go forward with a backward prop. What you have is an over powered underproped motor. Similar to running it full with no prop. It needs some resistance, and didn't have enough. That click sounds like the esc is cycling, but the coating on the coil melted and is now shorted. 1) motor temp? 2) spin it fast with hand. If it stops immediately it's burnt. If it spins a few rotations from momentum then the motor is probably fine. A brushless motor has built in dynamic breaks(works great for multirotors) if you touch and 2 of the 3 wire together and spin the motor hard by hand it will stop immediately if 2 wires are touching. If none are touching it will carry momentum and spin a few rotations. In multirotors you can only spin up a motor as fast as you can slow them down(maintaining balance) so motor breaking is very critical for exact maneuvers. Brushed motors have no breaking, so they are used in cheap toy drones. And race drones all have brushless.
@nicksharp6950 what? Why not adjust throttle? What? Is your throttle on/off? If that is the case then get a different pitch prop. Putting one on backwars would just kill efficiency? And your laughing? You know a prop is just a wing spinning. Your using a clockwise backward? So the thin side is the leading edge and the thick side trails. What kind of flight times you get? What does that turbulence do to your motors? Do you use a flight controller? What does that noise do to it?
The prop looks backward to me. Also, I terminated my relationship with Banggood when they broke their guaranty and refused a refund for item not received. I had to get my money back from Paypal.
I had that happen once with them too. My order was split up for shipping, and one part arrived but the other didn't. Unfortunately the part that didn't arrive was a phone, and the part that did arrive was just some cheap small electronic modules (about 10% of the value of the phone). PayPal sorted it, but I did have to call them and explain it all... The PayPal online chat staff are useless.
@TheRCSaylors need to should provide an update to the Pinned comment. The Drift/Breeze, has it is problems, but this is mainly a setup and execution error. The drift is one of the easiest plans to fly for a beginner who flies slow, it's forgiving, easy to put together, and if you go the FPV / GPS route a nearly completely engineered solution. The main weakness is that it is not the most durable, but is repairable in most instances. This plane is geared towards newbies, putting the prop on backwards and using a the 2s prop on 3s is not aligned with what is in the manual. Not defending all of the attributes here, but a better approach to resetting this review might be. Procure another motor, install the correct prop, in the correct direction, and probably give the review using the 2s setup. It really would be a win for the channel $20 gets you a new motor, builds trust in the audience and provides additional content for views
I’ve been thinking about how to do an update here and I believe we are definitely going to 👍 I take full ownership of installing the prop on backwards. However I must say; I’ve done this before on other planes and had reduced performance but never lost the motor/ ESC. Also, there were no instructions included with this model at all. I’m still at fault here, but just trying to also establish perspective 👍😁😎⚓️
Hi Nate, quick question. The plane looked kind of "squirly" while flying. Did you have dual rates and / or expo set up? I know the flight was short, but did you get a feel for how smoothly (or wildly) it fles? If you ever replace the motor, wouldn't mind seen a video revisiting the plane.
You were right in the beginning nate the prop is in backwards 😢 this is an awesome plane though I might be adding this to the fleet👍🏼 I just got the xk a280 p51 BRUSHLESS mustang and it's AWESOME 🤌🏼 I know you reviewed a similar one but the xk one is very different I would love to see you and abby review it✌🏽
The good thing about having multiple airplanes is you can swap out parts to diagnose the faulty one. Sometimes I get defective parts. Once I ordered 10 metal gear servos and none of them worked!
Well, if you are going to fly half to 2/3 throttle this is not a problem. However I had the prop on backwards, which was 100% my fault. I share moments like this so people know they aren’t alone and it’s okay to not be perfect 👍⚓️
The numbers on the prop ALWAYS face the front of the plane regardless of whether its mounted on the front or on the back (as a pusher). Don't feel bad, I did this same thing with another Zohd plane and put the prop on the right way and it was so much faster lol :D
My Zod Drift had multiple problems with control going weird during flight. On the last flight, which wasn't a high number of flights for the plane, it suddenly rolled and went in, causing massive damage to the plane. I ended up taking the motor and ESC from it and put them on a Flite Test Sparrow, which has been flying beautifully for nearly a year now. I had more problems with the Drift than I've had with any other plane I've flown. The motor and ESC have been fine with the 3 blade prop and 3S power. As others have mentioned, the numbers on the prop ALWAYS face towards the direction of travel. The prop will work facing the other way, but the efficiency is severely diminished.
the prop doesn't care if it's on the front of the plane or in the middle, and the prop doesn't care if the motor is behind it or in front of it. it always moves air to the back of the plane. so the orientation of the prop relative to the plane is always the same.
I would like to see you get on a real aeroplane with the props on backwards.... You'd be on the next series of "Air Crash Investigation"... There is only one way it can V1 rotate correctly.
Operator error. The prop is on backwards. You can see the numbers at 5.51. That will over rev / overheat the motor. Also if you were using 3s that was the wrong prop they give you a smaller 3 bladed for that. Numbers always face forwards even on a rear facing prop. I have a drift and I think they fly so much better with a stabiliser otherwise they are very twitchy but I am old and my reactions are slow. . Slope soars nicely in a breeze.
OH ZOHD!! Too bad!! Last Zohd PLANE I watched WAS the NANO TALON and you had to rip it's BRAIN out...QC issue, gave you a short circuit!! Maybe this is a quality control issue (still made me chuckle at the end)!! Thanks Saylors for another HONEST and FUN review!! 💟👍😘
You put the wrong prop on for the voltage and you put it on backwards.😂 Still, at least you've flown it, my iriginal version is still waiting for its maiden since i built it up ayear ago .😂😂
I have the drift in my opinion strictly needs to be flown in stable mode and used for FPV flying of stability mode off you can do it but in lite winds or else you’re gonna crash it , it’ll get unstable I’ve own mine for a couple years older version ! It does fly great fpv in stable mode even in the wind
Can you set the timing on the speed control? Sometimes there is a process to setting the timing of the ESC to the particular motor you are using.... The reason the motor worked is because the peak voltage was high enough to spin the motor. There may be a setting for the number of cells you are using in your battery, i/e 4s or 3s...
I have the zohd nano talon evo, great plane, prop numbers should be facing toward the front of the plane weather its a front or rear mount. I will never be an AMA member, if you pay attention to what's going on with the remote ID situation, they're just throwing all of us fpv Pilots under the bus
Maybe his is somewhere in the comments already. I'd say you burned the motor by using the bigger prop that's recommend for 2S in combination with a 3S battery. That potentially causes the motor to draw way too much power. The ESC is rated for 30A, so the motor should fail way earlier.
This is the correct answer. He got close by 'feeling' the ESC (which would have cooled down by the time he got to it), but it never occurred to him that he fried the outrunner by: i) running the larger 2-blade on 3S (which ZOHD _specifically_ says NOT to do), and ii) running the larger 2-blade backwards (which has been demonstrated back in the early days of electric airplanes by both AstroFlight and Master Airscrew to draw more current).
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The leading edge on the prop is always thicker than the trailing edge, like a wing so you did have the prop on backward and if the specs say 3 bladed prop with a 3s then do it, right? Overspin and the prop spinning easier because of being on backward? Operator error for sure, still, thanks for showing a 2 or 3s plane, I prefer the smaller ones for the fun stuff.
It's good of you to admit to frying the motor by over-propping it for your choice of battery (contrary to manufacturers instructions); not so good to have buried the mea culpa deep in a response to a single comment, after dissing the hell out of the product up front.
this Guy cannot even put the prop on correctly that is why the motor is Burt out..If he is going to show how to do rc he really needs to learn what a air foil is rookie move. WOW
Hey, you should have used the 3 bladed prop like they suggested because with a 2 bladed It's already spinning too fast, and you put it on backwards. Which means it's working too hard. You burned up your motor. Or speed control. Or both.
You only make these mistakes once. No big deal.
Someone might not because you did IF you tell everyone what happened.
He got close by 'feeling' the ESC (which would have cooled down by the time he got to it), but it never occurred to him that he fried the outrunner by: i) swinging the larger 2-blade on 3S (which ZOHD _specifically_ says NOT to do), and ii) running the larger 2-blade _backwards_ (which has been demonstrated back in the early days of electric airplanes by both AstroFlight and Master Airscrew to draw more current).
That prop is definitely backwards
Yep 🙄 intentional to get more comments?
Either intentional or the plane was quickly thrown together without care. I only found out recently that the numbers always pointed forward, never took notice, never needed to. A prop's shape and contours show which way is forward.
Hacks. That's why
@@klikmausMy thoughts EXACTLY! If you fly planes surely you must understand what an airfoil is and know that a prop is an airfoil. Like you said you can tell which way a prop goes just by looking at it. On top of this we clearly see the numbers on the prop at the beginning of the video facing REARWARDS. 🤦♂️ How this confuses Nate is beyond me. Did he mount the wings upsidedown, no.
Also that thin black plastic cover on top of the fuselage is to mount a GPS under, NOT for an FPV antenna, for which there is a slot just in front of the canopy. 🤦♂️🤦♂️
I bought the Drift a month ago as a multipurpose plane to take along on vacation due to its quick toolless assembly and compact box. I haven't had a single issue with it. Great little plane!
I've always said that people that believe in the sky fairy ("God") should perhaps reevaluate their education, I think we have a prime example of this here. 🙄
@@chrisB_OGI believe he is just stupid
You’re running 3s with the two blade prop backwards, just saying..
Would be cool if you would come back on this mishap to explain what went wrong and how it was remedied.
Prop is definitely on backwards. I figured that out as soon as it made that weird sound when you ran the motor for the launch. Don't ask me how I know, lol. Numbers should be facing the front regardless if it's motor or tractor configurations. Having the prop on like that draws a lot of amps wich most likeley damaged your ESC and/or motor.
The prop is backwards
prop is on backwards.
@ 4:27 Yeah, the prop is on backwards.
Yep, prop is backwards.... Mine flies like a dream.... 40+mins of thrashing with a 2S 1350mah 👍
Numbers on prop ALWAYS face forward. 3s recommended the 3 blade prop because the two blade has less resistance and causes the motor to over rev. Three blade more resistance equals less motor rpm..
With their experience, they should have known that...
Quick tip: the numbers and lettering on props ALWAYS face to the nose of the plane. Tractor or pusher setups still same rule.
Yes. As many have commented. Your prop was on backwards The concave side always faces to the rear, and the convex side to the front. Easy mistake. I have done it myself. It will fly, but with reduced performance.
Keep up the reviews. You guys are great and your testimony is greatly appreciated!
Yeap. Prop is backwards.
Prop is on backwards, numbers should always face the front if it's a standard prop.
Prop is wrong direction plea when running a 2 blade on 3s instead of the 3 blade it creates cavitating that over speeds the motor and can make it burn up because there is not enough load
Wtf did I just watch? You mounted the prop backwards, burned up the motor, then talked about yourself for The next 5 minutes?
Nate and Abbey, I’m glad you chose to post this video then to reshoot it. I’ve made bonehead mistakes before and crumpled a few RCs in my time. Despite all the harsh negativity, this incident will have an effect on lots of RC enthusiasts to think twice if not sure their setup is kapisch. Keep up the great work and dedication. I look forward to your videos.
Prop is backwards. The leading edge of a prop is rounded, and the trailing edge is sharp. It just burnt up your motor because it was pulling too much current. There was not enough resistance.
You used a 3s battery with a 2s prop which you put on backwards. Utherwise, great job.
Utherwise???
I have put the prop on backwards a few times. It's installed relative to the planes direction and not the motor orientation. It can be confusing if not thinking of the planes direction.
Your prop is on backwards.
Yes, you installed the prop the wrong way. The back of the spoon/blade faces the direction of flight.
Smooth
The direction of the prop diameter and pitch numbers face toward the nose of the aircraft.
You can spin the prop in the correct direction and imagine where it would push the most sand.
3S is too much for that prop. And since nobody else mentioned it, you installed the prop wrong.
Hi Abby and Nate,
Nate, numbers always face forward. It's that simple. You all stay safe.
It's on backwards, all right, but I think the main problem is the fact that you tried to use a house of cards as a trampoline. Drifts aren't meant for line of sight fun at all. They are minimalistic endurance wonders for FPV, meant to explore the next county at less than two amps throttle all afternoon. So their motors and ESCs are as small and light as possible, not designed to buzz around the field. There are even warnings from ZOHD that the Drift has a never exceed speed of 15 m/s or so. Don't criticize the model, guys, it's not designed for your part of the hobby, but for mine, and it shines there. Mine has more than 100 flight hours on it using the original motor and ESC. And the tiny lid on top? Not for a camera or antenna, but for the GPS unit. Happy flying!
you got the propeller on backward flip it around
Does say in zohd drift user manual "Use the recommended props for 2s or 3s. Any other option is at the pilot's risk."
I agree, this was definitely my fault. However I must say that I was only about half throttle most of the time. Surprised at these results, but I do take full credit for this mishap. Thanks for watching! 👍😎⚓️
I killed my drift by forgetting to change the prop for a 3s battery too, the sound it made when u were launching was a warning sign, that 3s battery NEEDS the 3 blade prop
It does appear that the prop is on backwards.
Numbers on the props always face the direction of flight.
The two blade prop was too large for 3 cell. The 3 blade prop is a smaller diameter prop meant for 3 cell.
Sorry for the burnout, but this is how we learn. :)
Agreed I cooked my motor in the Zohd dart for running the large prop on 4s 😅
I must disagree with your statement on two Blade versus 3 blade, why would a 3 blade prop on 3s have prevented the burnout oh, yes it is smaller diameter but still three blades have way more drag than two blades.
@@SteadfastRC Experience.... I have the same plane (white version). Still have the factory motor/esc. Flown it on both props: 2S = 2 blade, 3S = 3 blade. The 3 blade is significantly smaller... like half the diameter, etc.
I agree, normally for equal size 3 blades have more drag / need more torque to turn; however, in this case the size actually matters. :)
Cheers.
@JasonUberig oh OK I didn't think the diameter was that much of a difference, I recant.
@@SteadfastRC No worries. Always good to question what doesn't make sense... that's how we learn. :)
Prop must still be installed with the numbers facing the FRONT of the plane. What makes it a "pusher" is where the motor is actually mounted.
PROP IS BACKWORDS!!!
Prop seems backwards
BASSackward
I saw that too
It is if not it would go backwards
@@jakesartinnot true, if the prop was on backwards (which it is) it will still fly forward but not efficiently. By flipping the props in any RC doesn’t change the direction of thrust, it just changes its air efficiency and that is all it does.👍👍💯💯
@mikenowland2739 Maybe he had a few to drink before he put it together.
The prop is on backwards.
Also maybe just go ahead and use the recommended prop with the battery you chose.
This was totally my fault, but I would like to add: I’ve flown full flights of airplanes in the past with props on backwards. Though less efficient, it still flew and did not fry or show any indication of burning up. Choosing the correct prop; I figured I’d be okay as long as I didn’t full throttle it much and just planned on cruising around at mid to low throttle. But again I know it was my fault 👍😅😬⚓️
You have definitely saved someone making a similar blunder with theirs, so well done for being honest, i admire that very much. Good people and excellent channel. Please change motor and take her back out there for follow up review, staying tuned. Any other glider style rc planes you would recommend for beginners? Totally trashed my multiplex easy star 2 at the park yesterday, lots of nose dives because the elevator wasnt doing a good enough job pulling up and user error on my behalf putting battery too far forward
Wrong prop direction and wrong prop for 3s you burned it up!
The numbers on the prop go the direction you are going. So for his pusher setup you have it backwards.
I have the white Drift and run 3S with the prop for 3S. As many others have said, you had the prop on backwards Nate and you defo should not use the prop designed for 2S packs when running 3S. It will pull way too many amps, especially when you fly it line of sight and are doing roles etc. If you had been in calm winds and could keep to around 1/3 throttle or less, you might have got away with it (especially if prop was correct orientation!). Better luck next time. My Drift flies great and I have it set up FPV. I love it, but don't get as many chances to fly it as I would like, especially since I have a health issue at the moment that limits my ability to get out. Keep up the good work both of you :)
Your prop is on backwards
I've had a drift for over a yr, prop on backwards and 3s needs the 3inch tri blade,not the 5 inch bi blade. replace the motor,and possibly the esc.
Yes the prop is on backwards and you should use the 3 blade prop . Think about the thrust it goes back so the blade must face the same way as if it were in front
The prop was put on backwards. It happens
Could tell from the sound of the prop as soon as u throttled up that it was backwards. Nate next time you come back to this plane do your viewers a favour, bench test and educate them how you relalised the prop was backwards and talk about the prop specs 2&3 blade.
I know everyone's said the props backward (which it is) and the way to remember- since motor is on the back, it spins backwards (reference a front prop as you think through it during assembly. At this pt during assembly you can correct motor spin by swapping wires if needed). Then lastly on prop orientation- the slants of the props act like a spoon scooping air so orient it so it scoops air and forces it back).
Yeah, not the plane. It's the operator. :)
Agreed, and I’m okay with that! We all have tripped and fallen while walking, even though we do it every day! 👍💯❤️⚓️
Sharpest edge of prop is most always trailing edge.
I believe the prop is on backwards actually. In my experience, I have always had numbers labeling, and what not on the backside or offloading side of the prop. Because if you have decals, and what not on the forward side of the prop that will mess up, how the prop cuts the air.
Thanks Nate & Abby! Thanks for sharing this cool airplane, I've never seen it before, either the brand or the model.
I could tell by the video close up of the prop that you had it on backwards. Numbers or no numbers, a propeller is a little air foil and I could see the light shining across the rounded edge of the blade (The top of the air foil) facing towards the tail of the plane. ❤
It honestly felt like it was installed backwards when I had it on the other way. I tried both while prepping this at the house!! But yes this was entirely my fault. I don’t know why pusher prop planes ALWAYS confuse me when installing the prop!! I need a goofy method to help me remember so this never happens to me again. Thanks for watching!! 👍💯😎⚓️
Prop is definitely backwards. #2 the 3 blade would be a bit quieter more blades less noise. #3 the 2 blade will be less balanced vs a 3 blade in cheap plastic. You should revisit and test both props and see what’s what. Running a smalle 3 blade I’m betting the plane flys better all round 🤟 cheers to the sky’s
Easy mistake to make I did it on my IC Spitfire prop 3 blade wrong way round after 15 plus years of flying it happens Nate 😁👍
Oh yeah i can see the prop is on backwards.
People are so condescending it’s amazing. There is no reason to make a mistake on purpose. The money difference on clicks is minimal. Give me a break. Most people in RC have made this very same mistake, I know I have.
Thank you!! 🙏❤️💯😎⚓️
Hopefully realizing your mistake you rename and review this video considering it was your fault it failed. I have the normal white version. Analog running Inav for FPV LR. 1hr 15min flights. It’s pretty okay
To me, everything is a learning experience. Just recently setup my EC 1500. Had a little doubt about the props orientation. Because of your video, went back and checked mine. Pretty sure I had my right prop backwards. Not being the most experienced on prop orientation, your video made me check. And I THANK YOU very much for that! Guess I'll know when I maiden it. LEARNING EXPERIENCES.
Props on backards
Numbers face forward on a pusher!
Absolutely definitely 100% on backwards. I've had my Drift for a couple of weeks. Works perfectly.
Sorry but Imho you gave 2mins of great insight but 8mins of waffle and padding. It would have been better if the last few minutes had been used with an update as to what went wrong, and what you did to put it right?
In the pushers I have, the convex curvature of the prop always goes to the front of the aircraft for greatest efficiency, that is to push the air backward. Even then, the motor or esc should not have quit like that. I was looking at that plane for a future little fun plane. No longer interested. If a manufacturer decides to quit your relationship with them because you demonstrated their faults, that is your gain and their loss, and you are better off for it.
Not sure if the backward prop caused the burnout (it was backwards), but I can tell you from experience that the 3S with the 2 blade prop definitely will. I wanted the 2 blade more than I wanted to follow my directions. They should probably make a bigger deal about that in the instructions. Also, you were flying pretty aggressively for this plane. Hopefully, they have improved the wings, but my wings (white version) broke at the root end flying like that. I’ve reinforced them with tape and I still love flying this plane today.
Thanks!
I really like my ZOHD Drift Dark Breeze, I used a Spektrum Smart receiver with my NX6 transmitter.
I also wanted to stay under 250 grams, so I use a 2s battery. It really is floats in the air.
when you put more voltage ( = RPM's!) into the motor, you have to "gear down" by using the appropriate prop - just like you would use a smaller pinion gear in a car. That's the purpose of the 3s prop - to not overload the esc/motor.
A 3 bladed prop loads the motor up more. Putting a 2 blade of same spec on a motor = less Amps. The 3 blade will be a much less pitch if its designed for the 3s battery..
@@M4rkmcc21 all else being equal, sure. But they were clear in the video that the seller intended the 3 bladed prop for 3s use, which means by definition it must be a smaller diameter and/or lower pitch in order to present less load to the motor.
The prop is not backward. It would not go forward with a backward prop. What you have is an over powered underproped motor. Similar to running it full with no prop. It needs some resistance, and didn't have enough. That click sounds like the esc is cycling, but the coating on the coil melted and is now shorted. 1) motor temp? 2) spin it fast with hand. If it stops immediately it's burnt. If it spins a few rotations from momentum then the motor is probably fine. A brushless motor has built in dynamic breaks(works great for multirotors) if you touch and 2 of the 3 wire together and spin the motor hard by hand it will stop immediately if 2 wires are touching. If none are touching it will carry momentum and spin a few rotations. In multirotors you can only spin up a motor as fast as you can slow them down(maintaining balance) so motor breaking is very critical for exact maneuvers. Brushed motors have no breaking, so they are used in cheap toy drones. And race drones all have brushless.
😂 I use backwards props when my props have too much thrust. Backwards does not make it spin the wrong way..
@nicksharp6950 what? Why not adjust throttle? What? Is your throttle on/off? If that is the case then get a different pitch prop. Putting one on backwars would just kill efficiency? And your laughing? You know a prop is just a wing spinning. Your using a clockwise backward? So the thin side is the leading edge and the thick side trails. What kind of flight times you get? What does that turbulence do to your motors? Do you use a flight controller? What does that noise do to it?
@@nicksharp6950why would you purposely ever do that rather than just use less throttle? That’s like installing square wheels on your Bugatti
The prop looks backward to me.
Also, I terminated my relationship with Banggood when they broke their guaranty and refused a refund for item not received. I had to get my money back from Paypal.
I had that happen once with them too. My order was split up for shipping, and one part arrived but the other didn't. Unfortunately the part that didn't arrive was a phone, and the part that did arrive was just some cheap small electronic modules (about 10% of the value of the phone).
PayPal sorted it, but I did have to call them and explain it all... The PayPal online chat staff are useless.
Integrity is what keeps us watching that and great camera work as well. Also like Brian Philips RC
Thanks! ⚓️
Yes your prop is backwards
@TheRCSaylors need to should provide an update to the Pinned comment. The Drift/Breeze, has it is problems, but this is mainly a setup and execution error. The drift is one of the easiest plans to fly for a beginner who flies slow, it's forgiving, easy to put together, and if you go the FPV / GPS route a nearly completely engineered solution. The main weakness is that it is not the most durable, but is repairable in most instances. This plane is geared towards newbies, putting the prop on backwards and using a the 2s prop on 3s is not aligned with what is in the manual. Not defending all of the attributes here, but a better approach to resetting this review might be. Procure another motor, install the correct prop, in the correct direction, and probably give the review using the 2s setup. It really would be a win for the channel $20 gets you a new motor, builds trust in the audience and provides additional content for views
I’ve been thinking about how to do an update here and I believe we are definitely going to 👍 I take full ownership of installing the prop on backwards. However I must say; I’ve done this before on other planes and had reduced performance but never lost the motor/ ESC. Also, there were no instructions included with this model at all. I’m still at fault here, but just trying to also establish perspective 👍😁😎⚓️
The honesty counts
You burnt the motor bro
Hi Nate, quick question. The plane looked kind of "squirly" while flying. Did you have dual rates and / or expo set up? I know the flight was short, but did you get a feel for how smoothly (or wildly) it fles? If you ever replace the motor, wouldn't mind seen a video revisiting the plane.
squirrely
Abby and Nate y'all rock! Peace
You were right in the beginning nate the prop is in backwards 😢 this is an awesome plane though I might be adding this to the fleet👍🏼 I just got the xk a280 p51 BRUSHLESS mustang and it's AWESOME 🤌🏼 I know you reviewed a similar one but the xk one is very different I would love to see you and abby review it✌🏽
I like that good news not fake news THANKS FOR KEEPING UP TRUE NEWS
lol “ blame the kid” … I used that excuse till the kid went off to college. *sigh*
College is not a get out of jail card, still blame the kids for my "plain" problems!
The good thing about having multiple airplanes is you can swap out parts to diagnose the faulty one. Sometimes I get defective parts. Once I ordered 10 metal gear servos and none of them worked!
You kidding!
Prop is 100% definitely on backwards but that seems like a cool plane I might have to check it out
Hey saylors! I have a zohd drift, had a heck of a time trimming it & tried putting a cox 049 but couldn't balance it
Funny how the instructions say put 3 blade prop for 3s most likely so u don't burn the motor up
Well, if you are going to fly half to 2/3 throttle this is not a problem. However I had the prop on backwards, which was 100% my fault. I share moments like this so people know they aren’t alone and it’s okay to not be perfect 👍⚓️
The numbers on the prop ALWAYS face the front of the plane regardless of whether its mounted on the front or on the back (as a pusher). Don't feel bad, I did this same thing with another Zohd plane and put the prop on the right way and it was so much faster lol :D
My Zod Drift had multiple problems with control going weird during flight. On the last flight, which wasn't a high number of flights for the plane, it suddenly rolled and went in, causing massive damage to the plane. I ended up taking the motor and ESC from it and put them on a Flite Test Sparrow, which has been flying beautifully for nearly a year now. I had more problems with the Drift than I've had with any other plane I've flown.
The motor and ESC have been fine with the 3 blade prop and 3S power.
As others have mentioned, the numbers on the prop ALWAYS face towards the direction of travel. The prop will work facing the other way, but the efficiency is severely diminished.
I have had the original white Drift for sometime and it flies really well.
I used to hand launch like this with 75 % throttle
the prop doesn't care if it's on the front of the plane or in the middle, and the prop doesn't care if the motor is behind it or in front of it. it always moves air to the back of the plane. so the orientation of the prop relative to the plane is always the same.
I would like to see you get on a real aeroplane with the props on backwards.... You'd be on the next series of "Air Crash Investigation"... There is only one way it can V1 rotate correctly.
Operator error. The prop is on backwards. You can see the numbers at 5.51. That will over rev / overheat the motor. Also if you were using 3s that was the wrong prop they give you a smaller 3 bladed for that. Numbers always face forwards even on a rear facing prop. I have a drift and I think they fly so much better with a stabiliser otherwise they are very twitchy but I am old and my reactions are slow. . Slope soars nicely in a breeze.
OH ZOHD!! Too bad!! Last Zohd PLANE I watched WAS the NANO TALON and you had to rip it's BRAIN out...QC issue, gave you a short circuit!! Maybe this is a quality control issue (still made me chuckle at the end)!! Thanks Saylors for another HONEST and FUN review!! 💟👍😘
You put the wrong prop on for the voltage and you put it on backwards.😂
Still, at least you've flown it, my iriginal version is still waiting for its maiden since i built it up ayear ago .😂😂
Maybe our accident can save you the same accident! 😁😬 Happy Flying! 👍😎⚓️
I have the drift in my opinion strictly needs to be flown in stable mode and used for FPV flying of stability mode off you can do it but in lite winds or else you’re gonna crash it , it’ll get unstable I’ve own mine for a couple years older version ! It does fly great fpv in stable mode even in the wind
Congrats on 400k subscribers
Numbers always face the front, and then you make it spin the right direction. Your prop is on backwards, and spinning the wrong way.
I think the was installed backwards or the 2 bladed prop was allowing the motor to spin too fast.
Good answer Nat Thats how Brian Philips Rc does if full discloser best policy. Thanks for putting out long format.
Every cloud has a silver lining ✊
Can you set the timing on the speed control? Sometimes there is a process to setting the timing of the ESC to the particular motor you are using.... The reason the motor worked is because the peak voltage was high enough to spin the motor. There may be a setting for the number of cells you are using in your battery, i/e 4s or 3s...
see how the prop has a scoop to it. Well you want to scoop and throw the air behind you so that prop is 100% backwards lol
that prop is on backwards 100%
This looks fun ! Thanks for taking a plane flying it line of site. Allows people to step into fpv and flight controller
I have the zohd nano talon evo, great plane, prop numbers should be facing toward the front of the plane weather its a front or rear mount. I will never be an AMA member, if you pay attention to what's going on with the remote ID situation, they're just throwing all of us fpv Pilots under the bus
I’m sorry to hear that Steadfast! Appreciate the feedback regarding the prop and your nano talon Evo!! Thanks for watching 👍😎⚓️
It did fly surprisingly well though. Probably just a bad ESC.
Maybe his is somewhere in the comments already. I'd say you burned the motor by using the bigger prop that's recommend for 2S in combination with a 3S battery. That potentially causes the motor to draw way too much power. The ESC is rated for 30A, so the motor should fail way earlier.
plus having the prop on backwards in that scenario is just asking for magic smoke
This is the correct answer. He got close by 'feeling' the ESC (which would have cooled down by the time he got to it), but it never occurred to him that he fried the outrunner by: i) running the larger 2-blade on 3S (which ZOHD _specifically_ says NOT to do), and ii) running the larger 2-blade backwards (which has been demonstrated back in the early days of electric airplanes by both AstroFlight and Master Airscrew to draw more current).