Why did Dua Lip FLOP? (or did she...)
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
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The first segment of this week’s episode of Popcast (Deluxe), the weekly culture roundup show on RUclips hosted by Jon Caramanica and Joe Coscarelli, includes discussion of:
00:00 Introduction
05:50 How the current pop marketplace favors eccentricity, humor and meme-ability
08:24 The imperfect rollout of Dua Lipa’s latest album, “Radical Optimism,” and how the narrative became poisoned before it was even released
09:25 How Dua Lipa has built a career on smooth and frictionless pop
21:05 What it will take for Dua Lipa to break free of her cycle
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“Popcast (Deluxe)” is hosted by Jon Caramanica and Joe Coscarelli. Produced by Sawyer Roque. Edited by Jamie Hefetz. Social media production by Pat Gunther. Photo edited by Amanda Webster. Thumbnails by Lindsey Flood. Special thanks to Nell Gallogly, Pedro Rafael Rosado, Caryn Ganz, Leslye Davis and Nina Lassam. 
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Much prefer the episodes as one long video as opposed to split up
Especially as they're now split across days!! Hate that!!
Hard agreeeee
saaaaaame!
They can do it with split episodes across the weekdays and full-length version at the weekend. Audiences deserve an alternative option.
Agreed
She wasn't heavily marketed this time around because of her stands against the ongoing genocide... We all know the industry and it's stance and OF COURSE, we know the stance of the new york times....
Bullseye!!
Honestly I find all the “meta narrative” stuff exhausting since literally everyone is trying to have that now. I don’t actually always need a story to be told. I don’t like this album as much as future nostalgia but its still a good,fun,summer pop album! Dua has a lane and I like it. I like that I don’t really know anything about her life and can have a good time and not think lmao. There are plenty of other pop girls to tune into who DO do that well and I think that is why Dua is one of one,that and her unique tone (I agree that its a trademark voice)among the current pop girls~
1- You guys just don’t like Dua so this convo is dumb 2- So sad that the music industry is so hyper fixed on stupid exterior elements, that when a classy mature pop star like Dua comes around people trash her because she’s not “messier” 3- I think she should focus on the european market because this shows that Americans were never intended to be her primary audience
I think her music and her persona is PERFECT for a millenial crowd. We like this stuff even if yall find it boring. Its danceable, its fun, its positive, shes gorgeous and seems like a sweetheart. Thats really all I need from a pop star.
I agree 100 percent. Every time I hear her sound, I think of partying or being in a club. It's that catchy beat that gets me every time.
Yes!! True nostalgia for the 2010s era hits. ❤❤ I miss the optimistic dance-y pop era. Bring back happy dancing in platform heels!! 😊
Still the album flopped.
"French exit" or, in French "Filer à l'anglaise" (also explicitly mentioned by Dua in her song), means "Irish goodbye" or "Irish exit", that is a departure from a location or event without informing others or without seeking approval.
I’m pretty sure its the disconnect with aesthetics (blues and ocean and beachy vibes of the album cover) and then her music videos (grays and reds and blacks) and the music (shes saying that its psychedelic dark etc) and ended up sounding like B side of future nostalgia. whole promotion of it - its whack
As a music fan in general, living in an era where memeability dictates success is kind of soul-sucking. Some of the most popular music out right now are real head-scratchers for me. Whatever the case, people should prioritize listening to what they enjoy and disregard the noise. I’ve had to disengage with most online fan culture because they've turned music into a charts battle instead of focusing on the art. 5:56
Such a weird analysis. Saying there's nothing to grab ahold of is something I can't grab ahold of. The whole meta narrative narrative that you're spinning is a strange projection of expectation. What's wrong with enjoying an album for its own musical merit? Interestingly, you both admit it's a good album. It's her Zeppelin III.
The problem with the album is: it’s bland.
It’s not bad. It’s not great. And it’s not memorable in any way. Once you’ve heard it, you’ll have forgotten it within 5 minutes.
It sounds like a bunch of songs Madonna would have rejected when making an album 20 years ago.
That being said, it’s much better than anything Taylor Swift has put out since 1989. (That wouldn’t be hard, I know.)
Dua having her Lorde moment. A huge comeback is still very possible
By the way, although I know I run the risk of being seen as a weirdo, I love ‘Radical Optimism’ and I like it even MORE than ‘Future Nostalgia’.
I guess I won't have many supporters, but hey, that's my opinion!
same buddy! the album is a grower and a timeless classic. it will not sound outdated in 20-30 years. but ppl don't appreciate those things nowadays...
I feel like this are the type of things dua would listen to and turn into gold. like that one time someone was like "come on girl give us nothing" and she went on to show the world she was a real show girl. if she listens to this she might come back and give us a badass album (not that I don't think this is a badass album), but she cares.
I think dua should focus on her upper range or even vocal dexterity in a world where everyone sings in cursive
DUA LIPA DOES NOT FLOP
Album rollout was MESSY. Did a deep dive on my channel about how the album came and WENT!
Coscarelli sneakily calling Gavrais handsome knowing they look like brothers
I love Dua ❤ she's iconic and I love her new album!
I find her to be similar to Katy Perry, catchy fun pop songs with no person behind them. It doesn't feel like she is making songs about herself and her life but just highly general music. On top of the meta narrative aspect you talked about I think like a Charlie Puth the issue is there isn't a dedicated fan base around her that talks about the music in that way. That in contrast to if i remember correctly this came out around the kendick vs drake weekend or right after and pretty much all music discourse was about that.
Posh Spice? The star whose fame began in music, but her celebrity is predicated on something else entirely? Also someone else who's known for her taste.
Nailed it. This is the best answer.
Jon loves him some Dua Lipa slander😭😭
espresso is a katy perry song.....dua isnt funny like that -- shes glam!
Big Thief catching a stray in a Dua Lipa podcast Is wild. Leave lenker alone😭
I truly was not prepared for that very random stray 😭. Like whoa ntm!
maybe my take on this is brutal, but honestly i think that dua lacks passion for what she does + she seems to be completely unaware of where the culture is heading to (her take on tame impala kind of gives it away). in the hollywood reporter round table of songwriters last year she litteraly seemed to let out a freudian slip when she said "i don't like singing"......... although she has a great voice, sure. ppl say that there are three types of pop stars rn (based on what they're mostly known for): the songwriters (billie, olivia, taylor), the performers (bey) and the vocalists (ariana). i couldn't fit dua in any of these categories to be honest. but she could become an amazing vocalist if she stops trying to be the pop girl performer
I agree - she feels like a shiny finished product of the industry rather than giving it any sort of personality. But I feel like she deeply craves cultural relevance and to be taken seriously, hence her constant poise and her pursuits I.e. the dua lipa book club she tried to spearhead. Her Tame Impala take represents, to me, her desire to be on the right side of culture or what is perceived to be “cool”, but she always seems a couple years too late. I can imagine she will want to work with A G Cook in like three years time, after everyone else has already noted him as a tastemaker.
16:28 as much as I love Houdini, not even that song can replace physical by Dua Lipa to me.
Physical by Dua Lipa is literally like a perfect pop song!
I liked radical optimism so much it's a good one 🔴🔴🔴🔴🔴
Dua Lipa is the Dua Lipa of 2024
Ive been binging your episodes your dynamic is so entertaining hope this podcast becomes bigger and bigger bc the thoughtful but also grounded and entertaining takes are so so refreshing ❤❤❤
I think Dua succeeded last time because she took the formula that was working for her with first album but maximized it. She helped usher in the era of dance/disco inspired pop songs back into mainstream with her singles but she did it along side visuals that were cohesive, captivating and matched the sound of her music. She also improved massively in terms of the quality of her peformances and it helped win people over. This era is all over the place. It’s like a continuation of Future Nostalgia but much more watered down. I think the mark of a true main pop girl is understanding where to take your sound next but still giving the people what they want. Dua hasn’t shifted her sound in any real way this era. There’s no new look, or concept, or inspiration. It’s just more of the same thing she’s been doing for almot 5 years now. That’s half a decade. The truth is, while she’s a competent pop star she isnt that interesting. What made her interesting before was her hunger to be taken seriously as a main pop girl / visual artist/ and performer. Now that she’s reached a creative plateau and there isn’t anything for the fans to sink their teeth into.
My gosh Jon I need a whole podcast on your tame impala/kevin parker thoughts
whats their point?
Thank youuu srsly like what?
This is one of your best episodes yet. Always enjoy a discussion on pop mediocrity, changing public tastes in pop music, and the failure to reach escape velocity from upper-middle class pop stardom into the upper class.
We don’t know anything about her personal life or her personality
I think the issue with Dua is that these songs dont seem to show off her voice or show emotion. Her debut album is still on repeat for me because it was feel good pop that I want to scream sing in the shower. I think she had a lot to compete with timeline wise as well. So many pop heavy weights released in the past 6 months that are stronger. I think if she planned her release, maybe the songs that are good could have stood out. I personally am still digesting Bey, Ari and now Billie. Out of all the releases the ones I personally vibe with are the ones that make me want to put it on. For me thats the back half of Cowboy Carter and all of Billie's album.
I agree she needs something to make people want to talk about her. I know its played out but the Drake/Kendrick beef made people excited and had everyone talking. Sabrina ans Chappel are everywhere touring and opening for really big artists with really big fanbases. They also have distinct personalities that aren't just hot fashion girl.
Side note: is Dua Lipa the Zendaya of the pop girls? Would this be Zendaya's music career if she continued?
absolutely love the zendaya take
My guess for next weeks guest…Sabrina…because that snack would go perfect with a nice Italian ESPRESSO ☕️
3:37 I am dead😅😅😅
poor dula peep
Oh no , she is very rich
I find your hate for Dua Lipa to be quite hilarious. I’m not even that big of fan of her, but I almost feel like I want to defend her because you’ve made casual jokes against her in pretty much every video I’ve watched of yours. Anyway, different strokes for different folks I guess!
I for one am waiting for the return of Janet Jackson.
I agree with you! People hate things for no reason, it's kinda lame.
The issue is also that we’re having a dance music renaissance & we are pretty solidly in that & that makes Radical Optimism just kinda get lost. There’s been a lot of great dance music out from the euro pop girls. She is not leading the pack in that
She didn't flop radical optimism is her best album yet
Two words that can save Dua Lipa’s career: Cobra Starship. That is all.
Red top is such an hater omg 😭😭😭.
Imo what holds this album back is that her shtick got boring a lil bit but also the songs are not on future nostalgia level
Anyone miss 2021 prime Dua Lipa😢👇
Glad I’m not the only one that wasn’t a big fan of this album ◠̈
Comment for the algorithm
Can you do a Katy Perry episode?
K- Dot
Did you hear the mob ties reference track? I was always team kendrick but damn. Bro needs to stop worrying about rushing back and get the snakes out the camp. Out of all the tracks to have a reference leak that's a real unfortunate one.
she doesn't have the charisma to be a mega star like taylor, ariana or beyonce
Not bumped anymore!
Hot take: Future Nostalgia wasn‘t that great either. The singles were incredible (justice for „Hallucinate“) but compared to the Jessie Ware or the Róisín Murphy albums that came out the same year, it was a pretty basic disco-infused record. I never really understood the hype.
Future Nostalgia is pop perfection IMO
Same. I think Lips’s aesthetics (read: she hot) were the deciding factor. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing but it is *a* thing.
Dua hasn't flopped. She's hit a limit that's no fault of hers. Artists who come from mixed cultural backgrounds often slide into this limit as they tap out their original novelty.
Dua's got all the talent, skills, and techniques. What's missing is that aesthetic feeling or depth. Billie Eilish, for example, can hit with just the right phrase.
Yet Dua can have very successful world tours for the rest of her life dancing her style of pop on concert stages all across the globe.
What's wrong with her voice as a kid???!!!😢😢😢😢
dua should lean into the selena gomez strategy and collab with up n comers or viral artists / be a featured artist
The album is good but it’s not cohesive like FN.
🍉🍉
is dua just going to become the asap of the 2020s?
I think she has a beautiful voice but the songs she chooses don't necessarily let it shine. Kind of Mariah Carey like.
I think the reason this album has tanked is because it's too generic, the songs feel like there were written by AI... There is no ingenuity, no story arc. I'm sure Dua will dust herself off and achieve success again, though.
No wonder the New York Times sucked and cont to. These guys have the stalest taste
New rules is an awful song
dont really know where to put this comment, but i hope the viral Drum n Bass track by that group of Irish 11/12 year olds gets a shout out in the next songs of the week. the kids seems to be alright after all > > ruclips.net/video/nV6uRftA-hM/видео.htmlsi=-HxBNHuMkjLq1M1E
Because she is the most boring Popstar of all time