The Battle for Warhammer Scandal Just Got Worse

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  • @halkeye20
    @halkeye20 4 месяца назад +53

    This is why im glad im a guard painter. The guard don't care what gender the space marines sandbags are.

    • @margaretwood152
      @margaretwood152 3 месяца назад +1

      -((🤔))- If proper, *_foundational_*_ Storytelling_ doesn't matter to GW anymore, why should we continue to be invested in The Setting???
      And *_iƒ_*_ Femme _*_Custodes_* are so Important & a _potential _*_Money-maker_*_ ƒor GW, _WHY_ didn't they release Femme Custodes (or even just " " Upgrade *Heads* ) to co-inside w/ this new Lore-changed/Ret-con CODEX (??)
      *📰NEWSFLASH🗞*
      Many *_Intelligent Woman_* (e.g. ⚔Sword & Steel🛡) are against this *_Lazy_*_ virtue-signal Lore Change, and for good reason (& obv. it's __*_not_* because they are *"§exists"* or *"ßigøts"*_ (which is laughable)

      Ruin it all for the many, for the benefit of the few, _most_ of which do not even spend/play in the hobby: i.e. "The Audience which does not exist - and *_eschew_* fleshing out an *_EXISTING_* great Female Model Line *SISTER oƒ SILENCE* for one that has *_never_* had females in the setting for over 4 decades & since 40K's Lore & Setting inception. * )
      ( * Pure, unadulterated *_ÇRlNGE._* ) (** And I also....am a 40K Hobby Vet, since 1995 )

  • @akamucrimsidae
    @akamucrimsidae 4 месяца назад +32

    You can say the boycott is ineffective - but those new products weren't selling out in minutes like before.

    • @HolyknightVader999
      @HolyknightVader999 3 месяца назад +4

      It's sold out. The boycott failed.

    • @blestamax7430
      @blestamax7430 2 месяца назад +1

      probably because they just generally sucked more

  • @paittenmedicineeagle4559
    @paittenmedicineeagle4559 4 месяца назад +12

    I think the problem is- the climate politically speaking is either woke or non-woke, nothing in-between. In this polarizing time, when you go against those who are angry about the female custodes it automatically puts you in the opposite side. I do think when you say things like "also, I'm not a racist" do not help dispel the thoughts of those who put you on a blacklist, It could be seen as implying that people who disagree with you, and deemed you as "woke" are, and I dont think its fair to paint with such a large brush on that one, even if its done in satire. I think the best thing to do would be just to not wade into politics. Those are just my thought, do what seemeth good in your eyes. Peace be with you.

    • @krankarvolund7771
      @krankarvolund7771 4 месяца назад

      No, that's what's the racists bigots that are behind all this "anti woke" nonsense wants you to believe ˆˆ
      Not being a racist is not political, it's not being woke, it's just the bare minimum of politeness in our time.
      The thing is, she does want to dispel the thoughts of those who put her on the blacklist, they're a vocal minority that doesn't matter XD

  • @lostbutfreesoul
    @lostbutfreesoul 4 месяца назад +156

    Shout out to One Page Rules!

    • @timothytrichtinger4732
      @timothytrichtinger4732 4 месяца назад +6

      Been falling hard into OPR, grim dark and Warfleets are great

    • @sirkenneth18
      @sirkenneth18 4 месяца назад +11

      I am loving OPR! Gaming feels fun again

    • @LukeMartinVideo
      @LukeMartinVideo 4 месяца назад +9

      One page rules is taking off at my club. It's becoming the rule of cool !

    • @guardsmen2945
      @guardsmen2945 4 месяца назад +5

      OPR is the best, I just made a viking army rule set to use for both aos and gdf, now im making a imperium esc army but so far its just an army book containing regular human army forces and a basic combat squad of relatively lore accurate space marines.

    • @NightfallTH
      @NightfallTH 4 месяца назад +2

      Surely not one of those alternatives mentioned with "great lore"

  • @Convincing_Reality
    @Convincing_Reality 4 месяца назад +187

    I've spent a ridiculous amount of cash on GW miniatures throughout my adult life, and yet, Ive barely ever played more than 4 games in decades. Its almost like you can buy, build, and paint without having to roll dice.

    • @edwardcifelli1466
      @edwardcifelli1466 4 месяца назад +23

      You are absolutely not the only one.

    • @Convincing_Reality
      @Convincing_Reality 4 месяца назад +3

      @AskenOrbital Did the idea of me replying to your munted bait trigger you so much that you had to block-me/delete-it immediately after posting?

    • @Convincing_Reality
      @Convincing_Reality 4 месяца назад +12

      @@AskenOrbital No. Now do you have any other moronism for the day, or have you already depleted your hard wrought supply?

    • @Convincing_Reality
      @Convincing_Reality 4 месяца назад +8

      @@AskenOrbital Can't say that I am. Next question.

    • @Voroeg
      @Voroeg 4 месяца назад

      Infidel!!!! Traitor!!!!
      Having fun without playing!!!!!
      Heretic!!!!

  • @YksiSuomalainen
    @YksiSuomalainen 4 месяца назад +60

    14:31 People who oppose this change or who are pointing out the gaslighting are getting banned. Even people complaining about the bans are getting banned. With the bans they can give the impression that the Warhammer 40K fan community is for this (because everyone not for it is banned), but in reality this just makes this whole situation worse and radicalizes people who get banned and who think this behavior is unjust. Nothing good will come from this. This is the wrong route.

    • @Octarinewolf
      @Octarinewolf 4 месяца назад +12

      Paradox of Tolerance my dear fellow. You can't have a tolerant society if you accept intolerance.

    • @alexTorres-cs7co
      @alexTorres-cs7co 4 месяца назад +11

      @@Octarinewolf actually that paradox is wrong, because in the process you become intolerant, people is entitled to think and believe whatever they want if that dosent affects other people lives, karl popper was wrong.

    • @lohikaarmeherra-1753
      @lohikaarmeherra-1753 4 месяца назад +1

      Banned from what? 😅

    • @valetboy21
      @valetboy21 4 месяца назад +5

      What does getting banned mean, can they no longer purchase Warhammer things? Have there pictures been sent to every LGS to make sure the ban sticks? Do you believe Games Workshop cares what their players on message boards think? Oh you sweet summer child. They have one of the worst reputations in the tabletop space and their video games have been wildly inconsistent for years. Until it affects their bottom line, they are happy that Warhammer is being talked about at all. GW were most likely giddy when the story got picked up by the likes of Phillip Defranco.

    • @dancerronin
      @dancerronin 4 месяца назад +2

      Where were they banned and were they banned for their opinion or because of the way they expressed that opinion?

  • @ramonjimenez5944
    @ramonjimenez5944 4 месяца назад +40

    a few games you didnt mention, frostgrave, stargrave, 5 parsecs from home, Zona alfa, one page rules

    • @DiscourseMinis
      @DiscourseMinis  4 месяца назад +14

      LOTS!!!

    • @guardsmen2945
      @guardsmen2945 4 месяца назад +1

      I heard stargrave is good, but also theres a lot of kickstarters for games too.

    • @euansmith3699
      @euansmith3699 4 месяца назад +2

      @@DiscourseMinis Dozens! DOZENS!

    • @stevemarshall4822
      @stevemarshall4822 3 месяца назад

      Wargaming isn't just GW scifi/ fantasy. Tons of historical and other sci fi/ fantasy games out there. You name a period, there's probably rules / figures for it. Just go to a site like Northstar Games, Brigade Games, Warlord Games to see a selection of various rule/ figure types. The list is very, very long of other games.

  • @frankzed7684
    @frankzed7684 4 месяца назад +27

    For me, it’s not that they made Custodes also female, it’s that they ignored the badass females that already work WITH the Custodes.

  • @StepBackHistory
    @StepBackHistory 4 месяца назад +98

    These people seem to have really strong opinions about the bodies of what will one day be biomass for the great hive ships.

    • @yonghominale8884
      @yonghominale8884 4 месяца назад

      Shhhh. Don't tell the Incels that the Tyranids are secretly Transgender.

    • @OWnIshiiTrolling
      @OWnIshiiTrolling 4 месяца назад +11

      Or strong opinions about pointless pandering. Pointless pandering is just cringe.

    • @UltraVioletKnight
      @UltraVioletKnight 4 месяца назад +4

      Having "strong opinion" about something pointless is even more cringe

    • @reianvase6683
      @reianvase6683 4 месяца назад +5

      Female orkz and Emperor of Ma'am coming soon.

    • @goodlookinouthomie1757
      @goodlookinouthomie1757 4 месяца назад +2

      @reianvase6683 The orks are genderless although they do present as hyper masculine.

  • @schemesof40k
    @schemesof40k 4 месяца назад +86

    I'm from 1989. Where Astartes Custodes are not space marines. They are the Emperors' personal guard. Not allowed to leave the Imperial Castle grounds. Maybe if Earth is itself is under attack, confined to Terran. (Originally, they were Imperial Custodes) 🤕

    • @Octarinewolf
      @Octarinewolf 4 месяца назад +8

      There was no mention of them all being male there either. So they were probably equal opportunity in their toplessness and leather pants.

    • @Lakrimoz
      @Lakrimoz 4 месяца назад +37

      @@Octarinewolf Other than all the entries calling them a brotherhood, but I guess ignorance is bliss when you want your opinion to be correct?

    • @SPNKr02
      @SPNKr02 4 месяца назад +33

      @@Octarinewolf "noble sons of terra" my guy

    • @Octarinewolf
      @Octarinewolf 4 месяца назад +11

      @SPNKr02 Not in Warhammer 40K Rogue Trader, where that isn't mentioned.

    • @Coproquim
      @Coproquim 4 месяца назад +13

      ​@@Octarinewolfyeah, in rogue trader they were not given a definite sex, rhat was then later clarified to be male only and that remained unchanged for at least 10 years, that i know of, therefore Custodes are male, and there were no females in the original 10,000, as GW have recently tried to claim

  • @charliedavis3931
    @charliedavis3931 4 месяца назад +64

    You did make it sound like anyone who really cared about the lore wasn't a fan. I started planning to boycott GW for a while, but that's because 3D printer go Brrrrrrrrrr and you can get a much cooler army through 3D printers.

    • @pamew
      @pamew 4 месяца назад +9

      ALso dishonest weasel wording, saying that "GW never said that girls weren't allowed", which is *technically true* but it also ignores the fact we know they're exclusively male because they, as a collective, are ALWAYS described as "sons", "he" "they" etc.
      Yeah, she's just kind of a slippery liar, all in all, I have zero interest in what the dishonest have to say, which is why I won't be returning to this person's videos.

    • @charliedavis3931
      @charliedavis3931 4 месяца назад +5

      @@pamew yeah, I think she just got a whole lot of push back for her terrible take and is regretting it.

    • @pamew
      @pamew 4 месяца назад +6

      @@charliedavis3931 What's bizarre is that if she just even said "I phrased things badly that effectively made my statement invalid", even that would go over better.
      But no, Ego gonna Ego.

  • @politicalsheepdog
    @politicalsheepdog 4 месяца назад +19

    When I get upset at a company, it usually takes me about 10 years to revisit the offending company. I received some raw burger buddies from Burger King back around 1990 or so. I didn't buy anything from Burger King until 2004. While dinning at a local Perkins Restaurant, I received silverware that had dried food on it. I got up, left the establishment and didn't return to a Perkins for over 10 years.
    Games Workshop Upgraded Epic and then got rid of Epic. It took me at least 5 years to really look at buying any 40K models.

    • @enasnI127
      @enasnI127 4 месяца назад +1

      Same here. After the Gilette woke commercial scandal I quit buying any Gilette products and the second place on my "avoid forever list" is logitech cause of their business keyboards which are designed in a way that disables left shift + space "cause it is not a gaming keyboard".

    • @krankarvolund7771
      @krankarvolund7771 4 месяца назад

      You sound kind of an over-reacting guy ˆˆ'
      When I ate at a small restaurant and they gave me a knife with dried food on it, I politely asked to have another knife, they apologized, all was well XD

  • @kingnothing5706
    @kingnothing5706 4 месяца назад +55

    I don't know why I'm bothered that no one even mentions Warmachine as alternative anymore, but I am. I miss is glory days. I wish I'd have appreciated it more back then.

    • @JulioLenin88
      @JulioLenin88 4 месяца назад +5

      Unfortunately, that company also learned some of GW's shady practices and now it is almost forgotten (don't know if they still release new miniatures).

    • @TruculentSheep
      @TruculentSheep 4 месяца назад +5

      There's been a post mortem on its downfall uploaded to RUclips in recent days. Might be worth a watch?

    • @Octarinewolf
      @Octarinewolf 4 месяца назад +1

      I used to be one of their Pressgangers until they ended that program. Since then they've gone downhill.

    • @mrbigglezworth42
      @mrbigglezworth42 4 месяца назад

      Because Privateer Press sabotaged themselves and haven't recovered from it.

    • @BouncingTribbles
      @BouncingTribbles 4 месяца назад +3

      They practice the collectable trading card game release model. That means they have to purge their range every few years and force everyone to buy new stuff. My circle is proudly displayed in my case, but it's not so playable. The community in Ontario died sometime in 3rd, but I quit after the 3rd edition playtest.

  • @piratekingluffy376
    @piratekingluffy376 4 месяца назад +67

    “Wtf happen to Star Wars”. ESG scores and Disney being an awful company

    • @lordbreadington9889
      @lordbreadington9889 4 месяца назад +2

      The irony is thick.

    • @finalcipher457
      @finalcipher457 4 месяца назад +14

      I blame their weird policy of having different directors that hated each other in charge of the sequels. The only thing worse than having no design doc for a franchise is having multiple conflicting design docs

  • @QuillStroke
    @QuillStroke 4 месяца назад +35

    Amazon disregarded The Sisters of Silence and Sisters of Battle, the former are able to directly talk to The Emperor and the latter are more bad ass than SM or Castotes.
    But if you were a fan you would have known that.

    • @d.o.g573
      @d.o.g573 4 месяца назад +3

      Or the all female Banshees for the Eldars…

    • @williamevans8106
      @williamevans8106 4 месяца назад

      @@d.o.g573 But they aren't. The armor is all female in appearance, and they are considered female as they are all considered aspects of Morai-Heg, but what's underneath the armor can be male or female.

    • @o7_AP
      @o7_AP 2 месяца назад

      Keep in mind that the whole thing with Amazon is a rumor.
      Assuming it's true: Amazon aren't fans of Warhammer, they're fans of profits.

  • @user-df5nb8zy7e
    @user-df5nb8zy7e 4 месяца назад +5

    Warhammer actually is unique - not in terms of quality or the topic covered, but quantity.
    The amount of novels published about it is immense, even if I personally don't understand their appeal.

  • @mistamomo
    @mistamomo 4 месяца назад +23

    Regarding the drinkers video, I believe that he was saying that while Astartes are bad ass, the Custodes are a tier or 2 above them. Hence the entire introduction of the Space Marines.
    Hes also spoken of Warhammer in many of his streams, highlighting his enjoyment of the setting/models.
    Hes also 100% bang on with his observations regarding this whole thing, something which no one has really tried to address. Most seem content to call him a tourist without actually explaining why he may be off base.

    • @Coproquim
      @Coproquim 4 месяца назад +8

      Drinker isnt a tourist, hes mentioned his love of 40k loads of times, hes just not a 40k channel so rarely has reason to bring it up. People keep going "oh he thinks that Custodes are just space marines" while ignoring the fact that hes not speaking to the people that already know all the lore

    • @henryheavy8044
      @henryheavy8044 4 месяца назад

      He’s a numbnut,that’s what

  • @ashslaa
    @ashslaa 4 месяца назад +6

    I'm not suprised anymore, seeing as GW has been messing about with the lore in a half baked way for some time now and creating promising things only to ignore them shortly afterwards, that or screwing things up.
    Like the Necrons becoming more akin to the tomb kings from the now zombified warhammer fantasy battles or the way they went about the lore for the primaries, as well as letting us think the squats are coming back as a faction (instead of small groups in other GW ganes) only to reveal nope its like squats but not squats.
    For me the way they scrapped on us chaos space marines and removing any options for chaos marines in the imperial armoury list.
    So I can understand how female Custodies lore was the last straw for so many people, more so with the way GW has been dealing with this issue in the typical half thought out knee jerk way it often does.
    I would not be suprised if GW hates us customers/fans base but loves our money.

  • @Scryptur
    @Scryptur 4 месяца назад +71

    Who said Henry Caville hated women ?

    • @donovanberserk4993
      @donovanberserk4993 4 месяца назад +57

      When he refused to bend the knee for the butchering of Witcher lore

    • @allytank-itykitty7417
      @allytank-itykitty7417 4 месяца назад +42

      @@donovanberserk4993 is that what they are calling it now? that's pretty dumb if you ask me, the guy just wanted it to stay true to the actual lore which is pretty good.

    • @smiley4995
      @smiley4995 4 месяца назад +10

      It was sarcasm

    • @b3hindth3ma5kreviews
      @b3hindth3ma5kreviews 4 месяца назад +2

      why should you care if he does or doesn't what you should be thinking is will he walk out of another project because TW wasn't the only project he has walked away from when the now 41 year old man who doesn't like what he hears he walks he's no saviour to anyone especially not to fans of WH he has little to no experience as a producer or writer he produces word salads on his social media to make him look more intelligent than he does he is incredibly boring in interviews same old bs and no I don't think he has the ability to pull off any of this.. GW doesn't need HC to pull this off you the fans who have been loyal to the lore and loyal to the game are enough. His name isn't a draw for this WH cinematic universe you the consumer, the fans and the creators yes with everything I am surprised the last time this was discussed it didn't get picked up off the ground with the amount of lore and stories that could've blasted this from the start I am just not sure if the timing is good he prematurely announced it him and NV on their personal IGs which Amazon and GW didn't post til days later because he was deflecting from the sh show of being booted from TW and being dropped as Supes that he didn't even have this was a verbal agreement nothing in stone and yet he posted about being back like a dumbass... Amazon hopefully wont do what they did with Rings or Time and hopefully go in a more Fallout approach... But there is a lot more evidence on HC not being a team player just some people are reluctant to go looking for the evidence......

    • @michaelpegg4288
      @michaelpegg4288 4 месяца назад

      Well if he likes men… send him my direction

  • @politicalsheepdog
    @politicalsheepdog 4 месяца назад +4

    The Black Library is a form of Marketing. People who are getting in to the game may check out some of the books that pertain to the armies they are looking to play. After reading the Lore, they will most likely have a better idea of what models they want to invest in. Also people who already play the game may pick read Warhammer books and buy more models because they were inspired by further reading of the Lore.

  • @Kharn-bk6en
    @Kharn-bk6en 4 месяца назад +47

    Iv spent over 10k on Warhammer minis and books love the lore I have no problem with women in Warhammer it’s just the massive dump on the lore and the lying it could of been handled better

    • @gaymer5697
      @gaymer5697 4 месяца назад +6

      Yup. I super likr luetins take. Its not like female custodes is the problem but when you act like there has always been female custodes/not actually weaving them into story is the thing that bothers actual fans.

    • @skazkatzroy3444
      @skazkatzroy3444 4 месяца назад +2

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    • @San_Vito
      @San_Vito 4 месяца назад +1

      @@gaymer5697 You mean... like when Dark Eldars appeared out of nowhere? Or the T'au? The reaction of the community was nothing like this one.

    • @krankarvolund7771
      @krankarvolund7771 4 месяца назад +1

      Yeah, or when apparently, the Rail weapons used by the Tau's were retconned into being bought from the Votanns and adapted by them instead of being an invention of the Empire, which is a major retcon about one of our iconic weapons, but apparently, that's fine XD
      And even the fact that Horus is not completely destroyed, another major retcon in the lore, no one cares, the Emperor said he forgave Horus just before killin him? It's fine, nothing wrong with that.
      There's maybe some females in the 10 000 dudes who did nothing for the vast majority of imperial history? Outrage XD

    • @Kharn-bk6en
      @Kharn-bk6en 4 месяца назад

      @@krankarvolund7771 stop being a femboy I’m not ok with any of the that or the primaris marines and iv always said it

  • @Blackdrama20
    @Blackdrama20 4 месяца назад +5

    A huge amount of warhammer "players" like me, aren't real wargamers, yet spend a lot of money on GWs products. We buy the miniatures and rule books (for the lore and because they are awesome), paint the things and collect armies, without playing the actual tabletop game for years.

    • @krankarvolund7771
      @krankarvolund7771 4 месяца назад +1

      Yeeah, it's not the first time I feel like she's a little too focused on the player's part of the customers, even though polls show that something like 40% of GW customers collect miniature but don't play ˆˆ

  • @maxmagnus377
    @maxmagnus377 4 месяца назад +56

    That blacklist is hilarious. Was scrolling through the names like "uhuh... mhm... yep, I know and like all of those" xD

    • @Octarinewolf
      @Octarinewolf 4 месяца назад +4

      I hadn't watched all of them and there were some that I watched a video from and for one reason or another hadn't subscribed to so I'm liking it.

    • @mrbigglezworth42
      @mrbigglezworth42 4 месяца назад

      Well Templin generally goes full retard and makes lore videos that often contradict the lore of the setting. Whenever someone points it out he goes "well that's my interpretation of the lore". No guy, you were just wrong.

    • @Glaaki13
      @Glaaki13 4 месяца назад +10

      I kinda think its a badge of honorer to be on that list

    • @9237
      @9237 4 месяца назад +3

      ​@@Glaaki13in green section, red are trash

    • @HistoritorJimaldus
      @HistoritorJimaldus 4 месяца назад +8

      @@9237imagine outing yourself as Arch fanboy trash 😂

  • @Imputis
    @Imputis 4 месяца назад +68

    the comment "seriously, wtf happened to starwars" is the exact issue that you should look into and why folks are fighting so hard against the warhammer changes. Specifically, they dont want anything to go the way of starwars by doing the same tings. Folks are sick of it.

    • @zhukov2116
      @zhukov2116 4 месяца назад +7

      Was the Phantom Menace woke? I thought it was just shit.

    • @henryheavy8044
      @henryheavy8044 4 месяца назад +3

      It’s called siege mentality

    • @Traytekh
      @Traytekh 4 месяца назад +3

      Big difference here, with the last Star Wars Trilogy it was completely rushed with no coherent story in place. Nothing planned out at all. It was just a money grab and it really shows. Outside of that, I really hear nothing but mostly good things about Star Wars, it's just those movies for the most part that was the problem. That and just how pushed Rey was.

    • @captainviktorgrim261
      @captainviktorgrim261 4 месяца назад +8

      @Traytekh Oh, what is the excuse of Gears 5, Terminator, how about Saints Row remake, and let's not forget Marvel or DC. All of those including star wars are either dead, dying, or on life support. I have been watching this steaming pile of dog shit for years. Companies think they can piss all over the fans and then are surprised when those fans leave and get pissed off.

    • @daveberry7136
      @daveberry7136 4 месяца назад +6

      Hmm. So you think the terrible plot, disjointed and unconnected writing and general total cash-grab shambles of the Star Wars sequel films was entirely due to having a female lead? What utter tosh. They were just crap films, made by a company that didn't care what went in the films so long as they made a billion dollars each. All this raging about representation in games media is just weird, man.

  • @mweaver6037
    @mweaver6037 4 месяца назад +3

    This anger, however widespread it might really be (my guess is "not very"), is all strange to me, as I am pretty sure I have a female space marine miniature Citadel/GW released in the 80s, and I certainly have multiple female Imperial Guard miniatures made by Citadel/GW. So while they have never made many female models for the Imperium of Man, women have been officially part of the Imperium's armed forces from a very early stage. Why wouldn't there be female Custodes?

  • @GirlPainting
    @GirlPainting 4 месяца назад +45

    I feel personaly insulted! I am a Wargaming RUclipsr with over 30K Subscribers, AND i am openly Trans! Why the fuck am i not on this list?!?!?!?

    • @scepteredisle
      @scepteredisle 4 месяца назад

      Because they don't have a problem with trans people. They have a problem with far-left woke trash ruining hobbies and inserting their politics into franchises and taking IP's over and turning them in to propaganda outlets. None of them care about trans people, just as they don't care about straight people, or anything. They just want the hobby and they don't want the IP to be destroyed they way all other IPs have been destroyed by woke people.

    • @Octarinewolf
      @Octarinewolf 4 месяца назад +2

      Well we can all subscribe to you anyway. That way the white list is better than the blacklist.

    • @6dragondaddy913
      @6dragondaddy913 4 месяца назад +8

      Because the people complaining are only "lore" "experts" who only watch Arch or Gamza...

    • @Watcher8559
      @Watcher8559 4 месяца назад +7

      Because you can't ovulate.

    • @TheHunch8ack
      @TheHunch8ack 4 месяца назад

      Could you not try a bit harder at being trans? Like *really* squeeze your eyes tight, like Cartman doing a plop, and make yourself even transer? Which is totally a word.

  • @meisterhyperion207
    @meisterhyperion207 4 месяца назад +54

    The list was really usefull btw. I subbed and now watch every single one on that list

    • @DiscourseMinis
      @DiscourseMinis  4 месяца назад +27

      doing gods work

    • @Heidelmann
      @Heidelmann 3 месяца назад +1

      Gosh the notes on that list are funny. "Auspex Tactics - cares only about meta." Not political enough...banned.

  • @jordongotthold5006
    @jordongotthold5006 4 месяца назад +16

    I just wish whatever happens it forces them to reduce their miniature price by 80%

  • @herculeholmes504
    @herculeholmes504 4 месяца назад +2

    Anuerin Bevan was a monster. He was responsible for the destruction of the network of charity hospitals which existed prior to the State-controlled NHS. He replaced efficient, caring hospitals with what we've got now.

  • @MonsterPainter
    @MonsterPainter 4 месяца назад +46

    I am totally jealous, I made fun of this controversy on my small RUclips channel and I didn't get on the blacklist. Totally unfair.

    • @Octarinewolf
      @Octarinewolf 4 месяца назад +5

      Well we can all subscribe to you anyway.

    • @TheHunch8ack
      @TheHunch8ack 4 месяца назад

      @@Octarinewolf Don’t worry, Octarine. I’ll blacklist you if it’ll perk you up. I’m writing your name down now in crayon and putting a big grumpy face next to it. Happy now? If not I can always put a other even grumpier face.

  • @Aethgeir
    @Aethgeir 4 месяца назад +4

    If the only end result of all of this is people moving to other games, it'll be a massive win for the entire industry.

  • @youtubevanced4900
    @youtubevanced4900 4 месяца назад +3

    I was into warhammer since the mid 90s. I've abandoned GW utterly in the past few years. My group stopped playing shortly after 9th edition. Tried a couple of 10th edition game and gave it away.
    I don't even download free copies of the codex anymore.
    One Page Rules is so much better.
    Recently we have started playing Kings of War as well.
    Ill probably keep listening to the audiobooks but I certainly won't be paying for any of them.
    GW can burn as far as I'm concerned.

  • @ScottAT
    @ScottAT 4 месяца назад +1

    Ok I have an idea, since the Femstode is cannon now, she could be (the only one) but the potential mother of the star child through immaculate conception……

  • @aaurial6662
    @aaurial6662 4 месяца назад +7

    my issue with the whole thing is that nothing needed to change, there was already plenty of badass female representation and the fact that it wasnt enought and that they changed it because of a minority of people that wanted it just spells trouble with the future, are we going to get Trans marines next or Angron is going to come out as gay??? changes like this WILL kill the game.

    • @smiley4995
      @smiley4995 4 месяца назад +2

      I mean realistically some space marines may be trans guys and you'd never know with how roided out they are, plus they don't have sex anyways lol though yeah this is definitely going to hurt their profits.

    • @addison_v_ertisement1678
      @addison_v_ertisement1678 4 месяца назад

      Oh, some things needed to change. Sisters of Silence need more lore.

    • @PylonConstructor01
      @PylonConstructor01 4 месяца назад

      Space marines already are trans. They're transhuman. They literally take copious amounts of hormones to function. They have had every gender affirming surgery imaginable to become the ultimate male killing machine. There's a reason Warhammer has been so popular with trans people besides the fact that we are all autistic. Outside of this you're coping and seething about something that's never going to happen.

  • @LtBob38
    @LtBob38 4 месяца назад +2

    My favorite bit on this was on the podcast Trashfuture where one of the hosts said about a Daily Mail article "Now I didn't know they included woke points in the army balance"

  • @unwantedbs2571
    @unwantedbs2571 4 месяца назад +25

    If after all the insane price gouging, the $400 FOMO short run special boxed armies to get one damn model, the endless retcons, the churning of codexes so expensive models have an expiration date, the ever endless power creep, and the entire shitty way GW has treated supporters over the last almost 30 years, I'm going to simply die laughing if all it took to bring GW to its knees was the rumor they're putting titties on a Space Marine model. Oh my god, that is f'ing hilarious!!! I love wargaming but there's way too many far better games with excellent backstories to much care what GW does these days.

    • @petersonpkeith
      @petersonpkeith 4 месяца назад

      I would like to point out the Blood angels have titties and abs on their armor.

    • @icdice_VT
      @icdice_VT 4 месяца назад +1

      The Wargaming and the Warhammer Hobby are quite distinct. They look similar but they really are not.

    • @Cryptic0013
      @Cryptic0013 4 месяца назад +4

      The thing is, IMO, it's really about all the things you just mentioned. A lot of times when married couples blow up and initiate a divorce, it's over some incredibly petty thing that just becomes a flashpoint for years of resentment and mistrust over far more significant factors that just never got resolved.
      People have been bottling it up for ages over how GW has treated this franchise and its fans, and this may just be the tiny puff of air that finally makes the bottle burst.

    • @unwantedbs2571
      @unwantedbs2571 4 месяца назад +1

      @@icdice_VT...
      It's a hobby built around a wargame. The only thing that's been consistent throughout 40K's history is the fact that it's a game. Some hobbyists may only participate in parts of the hobby, some collect models, some are focused on the lore, some are obsessed with tournaments while others prefer casual games... Some do all of it, some only do certain parts of it... and all those folks are 40k hobbyists. But from the start, it was a game and everything around it exists because of the game. If 40k the game dies, it all dies. GW is a game company.

    • @icdice_VT
      @icdice_VT 4 месяца назад

      @@unwantedbs2571 You described the warhammer hobby, the wargaming hobby might look similar at first glance, but it is a completely different community with little overlap

  • @MonkeyDGreed1854
    @MonkeyDGreed1854 4 месяца назад +6

    I am playing One Page Rules and have been loving it so much more. And using non games workshop models. "Piper makes" is an incredible 3d stl creator for tau and eldar.

  • @l0stndamned
    @l0stndamned 4 месяца назад +83

    Who would have thought a company named Amazon might want to include a massive female warrior in something?

    • @Lhocht
      @Lhocht 4 месяца назад +2

      Wait until the idiots get mad about the tree people

    • @user-ub1dz8js7s
      @user-ub1dz8js7s 4 месяца назад +6

      Karen Elf from Rings of Power agrees with this statement.

    • @JamesSerapio
      @JamesSerapio 4 месяца назад

      You win! 😂

    • @Binichmoses2
      @Binichmoses2 4 месяца назад

      They denied Sisters of Silence and Sisters of Battle AND Female Inquisitors. They do not want female warriors they want the biggest most op female warrior to fit their narrative...

    • @troffle
      @troffle 4 месяца назад +1

      ... as opposed to a big tree-lined river?

  • @Slomoshun4u
    @Slomoshun4u 3 месяца назад +1

    When it comes to agenda drive stuff like this I always ask, not What, "but WHY?"
    If the "WHY" is politically motivated to push an agenda, for instance an agenda based on personal ideologies, then it's a problem. If that's the reason then it's not being done for the betterment of the IP, which is always a problem.

  • @peterdickinson4599
    @peterdickinson4599 4 месяца назад +30

    What happened to Star Wars?
    Exactly what is happening now to Warhammer.

    • @yonghominale8884
      @yonghominale8884 4 месяца назад +2

      A massive movie franchise that made several billion dollars

    • @donovanberserk4993
      @donovanberserk4993 4 месяца назад +9

      There are only 6 movies

    • @peterdickinson4599
      @peterdickinson4599 4 месяца назад +11

      @@yonghominale8884 Not wrong. But in the Mouse's last shareholder meeting they conveniently left out the fact that the billions SW has made didn't cover the cost of purchase. Each movie earned less than the last, the streaming service has become a black hole, and merchandise sales are so bad even Hasbro is reeling. Same pattern is matched by their other two acquisitions; Marvel and Pixar. Multiple profitable franchises rendered untenable. Multiple fandoms attacked and labelled toxic Istophobes.

    • @yonghominale8884
      @yonghominale8884 4 месяца назад

      @@peterdickinson4599 Which is impossible. it only cost Disney 4 billion dollar in stock to acquire Lucasarts. The new Trilogy plus Rogue one earned at least 6 billion dollars in ticket sales. Disney got their money back. What they really meant was the 11 billion dollar loss caused by Disney+

    • @margaretwood152
      @margaretwood152 4 месяца назад +2

      Yep, & Yes. ( _Çriminal_ )

  • @ravenwulfgar
    @ravenwulfgar 4 месяца назад +2

    I'm taking those Little Green Army Men toys you can get in buckets for about $20 and using those incorporated into my WWII: Operation Whitebox games. So much less expensive and a hell of a lot more fun. No putting things together, no painting, no pain in the ass, no fuss. Just straight up fun. The sculpts ain't great but they don't have to be perfect, they just need to work

  • @Inquisitor_Vex
    @Inquisitor_Vex 4 месяца назад +24

    Idk, Discourse.. seems somewhat woke to me..

  • @Diggsworth
    @Diggsworth 4 месяца назад +1

    I think retcons and lazy lore changes matter, but it's wild to think that people are making a 'list' because they disagree with something someone else says.
    People have different opinions - that's okay.
    Just wish more people would talk about Full Spectrum Dominance!

  • @Redtecho
    @Redtecho 4 месяца назад +79

    When you're wrong it gets difficult to explain things

    • @BonusHole
      @BonusHole 4 месяца назад

      And discourse is failing to explain her position.

    • @colemboletaor8498
      @colemboletaor8498 4 месяца назад +3

      Is that the reason why you modified your com ? 😁

    • @Redtecho
      @Redtecho 4 месяца назад

      @@colemboletaor8498 you're and your.

    • @henryheavy8044
      @henryheavy8044 4 месяца назад +1

      hasty generalization

  • @nickmanzo8459
    @nickmanzo8459 4 месяца назад +15

    I’ve liked most of your content and I agree that minis should be cheaper, but claiming that a person is a “casual” fan because they care about the lore is a pretty low blow, particularly since you have to be aware of the “filthy casual” meme. The fact that you have to justify it here and it just makes you sound worse doesn’t help, particularly since you throw the “I’m not racist!” In here. I agree our hobbies should be cheaper, I can’t agree that retcons are just great and if you care about them, you’re a lesser fan.

  • @BlizzAz
    @BlizzAz 4 месяца назад +36

    Where can I find this "blacklist?" I need more wargaming in my feed, and that sounds like a good start.

    • @LtBob38
      @LtBob38 4 месяца назад +7

      Check out Snipe and Wibb. They got added to the list because they complained about not being on it

    • @BlizzAz
      @BlizzAz 4 месяца назад +4

      @@LtBob38 I will. Thanks!

    • @kingzant99
      @kingzant99 4 месяца назад +2

      yeah!

    • @euansmith3699
      @euansmith3699 4 месяца назад +4

      @@LtBob38 Oh, Snip and Wib; they are such a treasure 🤗

    • @MrZauberelefant
      @MrZauberelefant 4 месяца назад +2

      ​@@LtBob38that's perfectly in line with their MO. Great job

  • @michaelconnor1542
    @michaelconnor1542 4 месяца назад +1

    One, there is no list I am aware of. If there is, it isn't from conservatives. More likely leftist.
    Two, the problem has never been about female anything. It is about cultural capture, which why the "retcon" occurred.
    The problem you are having, is not recognizing the same infiltration of ideology that led to Rings Of Power or the collapse of Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel, or Last of Us Part 2.

  • @terrencemiltner1005
    @terrencemiltner1005 4 месяца назад +4

    Thanks for the rundown of other options for great minis games. Looking forward to crafting up my Relicblade terrain and minis.

  • @BryanLeeDavidson
    @BryanLeeDavidson 4 месяца назад +10

    Wow. I want to make a 40k rumor now. The next bit of army lore is going to be written by Chuck Tingle.

    • @bleedlifedry
      @bleedlifedry 4 месяца назад

      "Pounded in the Butt by my Handsome Sapient Imperial Creed while Explaining Why Its Heresy To Include Female Costodes."

    • @user-df5nb8zy7e
      @user-df5nb8zy7e 4 месяца назад +2

      That would have been great, actually.

    • @vicbadger8902
      @vicbadger8902 4 месяца назад

      It would continue the tradition of GW attracting authors that consistently punch above their weight class. 😊

    • @josynaemikohler6572
      @josynaemikohler6572 4 месяца назад +1

      Well, I would actually preorder. Unless it is instantly sold out to bots of course....

  • @TriptuneRadio
    @TriptuneRadio 4 месяца назад +45

    Auspex being yellow for only caring about the tabletop is so goofy. Epitome of "if youre not with us, you're against us" mentality

    • @artfrombelow
      @artfrombelow 4 месяца назад +12

      Isnt the whole point of the yellow section 'youre neither with us or against us'?

    • @margaretwood152
      @margaretwood152 4 месяца назад +4

      (🤔) If proper, *_foundational_*_ Storytelling_ doesn't matter to GW anymore, why should we continue to be invested in The Setting???
      And *_iƒ_*_ Femme _*_Custodes_* are so Important & a _potential _*_Money-maker_*_ ƒor GW, _WHY_ didn't they release Femme Custodes (or even just " " Upgrade *Heads* ) to co-inside w/ this new Lore-changed/Ret-con CODEX (??)
      *📰NEWSFLASH🗞*
      Many *_Intelligent Woman_* (e.g. ⚔Sword & Steel🛡) are against this *_Lazy_*_ virtue-signal Lore Change, and for good reason (& obv. it's __*_not_* because they are *"§exists"* or *"ßigøts"*_ (which is laughable)
      Ruin it all for the many, for the benefit of the few, _most_ of which do not even spend/play in the hobby: i.e. "The Audience which does not exist - and *_eschew_* fleshing out an *_EXISTING_* great Female Model Line *SISTER oƒ SILENCE* for one that has *_never_* had females in the setting for over 4 decades & since 40K's Lore & Setting inception. * )
      ( * Pure, unadulterated *_ÇRlNGE._* ) (** And I also....am a 40K Hobby Vet, since 1995 )

    • @bluefire4568
      @bluefire4568 4 месяца назад +2

      dont tell bro about the prince of the ogdobekh dynasty

    • @scepteredisle
      @scepteredisle 4 месяца назад +1

      No, yellow was for "neutral".

    • @9237
      @9237 4 месяца назад +2

      He should be in green list

  • @jayceharker3813
    @jayceharker3813 3 месяца назад +2

    Downplaying and trivializing the issue is cowardly. Misleading and omg surreptitious. I started on GURPS when there was only the core book. I know in all the hundred of hame i have played over 40 years the story is everything. Immersion is king. What am i going to play next. Hmmm just bought a 3d printer.

  • @hankchinaski1317
    @hankchinaski1317 4 месяца назад +23

    The problem is not that certain youtubers insert political views in their commentary the problem is Games Workshop inserts political views into our escapism.

    • @jimmysmith2249
      @jimmysmith2249 3 месяца назад +1

      How is it political?

    • @TeaIngyer
      @TeaIngyer 3 месяца назад +3

      If you think 40K didn't have politics in it from the start, you have the media literacy of a pool noodle, mate.

  • @nurikhadem7880
    @nurikhadem7880 4 месяца назад +1

    Even when it is about stupid topics like this whole "scandal", Your videos tend to cheer me up. Thank You! :)

  • @kdog3908
    @kdog3908 4 месяца назад +8

    JFC. I thought, 'My Enemies' lists only ever appeared where people had diaries....and diary keepers were themselves a bit of a rare breed.
    What a world....

    • @user-df5nb8zy7e
      @user-df5nb8zy7e 4 месяца назад +4

      Actually, a lot of right-wing groups make lists like this.
      And it gets significantly worse when they get in power - my home country has several ever-growing lists of people and organizations, each list imposing limits on their legal rights.

    • @kdog3908
      @kdog3908 4 месяца назад

      @@user-df5nb8zy7e Not sure why politics is being brought into this but, ok.

    • @San_Vito
      @San_Vito 4 месяца назад +1

      @@kdog3908 This whole conflict is about politics, actually.

    • @kdog3908
      @kdog3908 4 месяца назад

      @@San_Vito Only in the broadest application of the term. My comment isn't written in that context though.

  • @lloroshastar6347
    @lloroshastar6347 4 месяца назад +16

    The fact that this is getting more attention than GW cutting entire armies and huge numbers of AoS miniatures just goes to show how ridiculous the Warhammer Fandom is.

    • @krankarvolund7771
      @krankarvolund7771 4 месяца назад +2

      Maybe because they didn't cut ou entire armies and number of AoS miniatures? ˆˆ
      They over the Beasts of Chaos to the Old World, where they originally belonged, and you're free to continue to play Beasts of Chaos, you'll even have free rules contrary to everyone else who'll have to pay 45 bucks for their rules XD
      Aside from that they're retiring some miniatures, like they regularly do, because GW don't really intend to keep production of all their miniatures for ever. Plus, we know that some if not most of them are going to be replaced by new models, so it'll likely be a win ˆˆ

  • @zieresXiii
    @zieresXiii 4 месяца назад +35

    Great video! Also speaking of blacklists and rumors, that so called Henry Cavill rumor came from Arch, the guy that has been blacklisted by Warhammer when they told him to change his name. lol

    • @scepteredisle
      @scepteredisle 4 месяца назад +17

      Arch is a great guy and one of the best Warhammer RUclipsrs though. So what's your point?

    • @khangcraft729
      @khangcraft729 4 месяца назад

      @@scepteredisle Oh my sweet summer child, do a basic google search about "arch warhammer controversy", your reaction will be a litmus test of how okay you are with outdated world views

    • @TruculentSheep
      @TruculentSheep 4 месяца назад

      @@scepteredisle He's a swivel-eyed tosser.

    • @Greshgore
      @Greshgore 4 месяца назад +8

      ​@@scepteredislethe point is he has a reputation as a icky N@z! Or whatever the overblown buzzword of the day is, so his obvious love of the setting and work he puts into his content doesn't matter. /sarc I love how the poster brings up his blackballing from GW as if it actually means something, considering how quick they were to mute / block people for questioning the latest change too hard.

    • @johncherrybone4835
      @johncherrybone4835 4 месяца назад +6

      I'm loving the remake of the siege of vraks. Nobody deep dives like his vid

  • @jiml9856
    @jiml9856 4 месяца назад +1

    It's almost like they didn't see what mra clowns did when there were too many girls in their Star wars movies.

  • @pianotm
    @pianotm 4 месяца назад +16

    I'm sorry. You said it, and I immediately heard it!
    Studio Executive Guy Ryan: "Forcible insertion is tight!"
    Screenwriter Guy Ryan: "What?"
    Studio Executive Guy Ryan: "What?"
    Screenwriter Guy Ryan: "Yeah, maybe you shouldn't say that."
    Studio Executive Guy Ryan: "Oh, that is kind of uncomfortable, isn't it?"
    Screenwriter Guy Ryan: "Yeah, that...thing is uncomfortable."
    Studio Executive Guy Ryan: "OOPS!"
    Screenwriter Guy Ryan: "WHOOPSIE! Yeah, no. Don't ever say that again."

  • @remittanceman4685
    @remittanceman4685 3 месяца назад +1

    I'll accept that there are some hardline types claiming to be fans and inserting their politics into the community, but ....... aren't GW/Amazon/Blackrock/the Evil Mind-controlling Squirrels/Whoever doing that already? I mean they are the ones creating the whole controversy in the first place and coming up with solutions for problems that truly didn't exist in the first place. think about it, before some guy in a suit decided to open this can of worms I doubt even the most Space Marine-like SJW was aware of Warhammer 40K let alone the Starter Custards. There was no Deathkorps of DEI.
    BTW anyone who can bend their mind so far as to brand Majorkill as woke needs help. Badly. Either that or they have a sense of humour weirder than mine.

  • @joshuastandish8581
    @joshuastandish8581 4 месяца назад +15

    I love auspex tactics only cares about the meta, it should have also said doesn't get enough sleep!!!

    • @piscinaiv7937
      @piscinaiv7937 4 месяца назад +6

      too bad Games Workshop can't follow his lead...

  • @scootergsp
    @scootergsp 4 месяца назад +27

    I don't play any GW products, or have any interest in the lore. But I do enjoy your content and applaud your encouragement of people to give some other companies a try.

    • @PA1606X
      @PA1606X 4 месяца назад +4

      Yep, expecially as GW are now just a bunch of money grabbing shits. Our lassie here is right about other rule sets though; there are any number of rule sets that can be used to fight Grim Dark games and there are an awful lot of alternative figures out there.
      Games like Xenos Rampant, 30k, 40k, aliens, bug hunting, zombies you can stat the lot and use any figures you want.

  • @thelandlocksurfer
    @thelandlocksurfer 4 месяца назад +29

    Sometimes in life you have to ask yourself the important questions like, Why the f*** did I just waste 15 minutes of my life watching this video.....

  • @oneandy2
    @oneandy2 3 месяца назад +1

    I was only ever into WH40k for the lore. You know. Those books that Black Library publishes. For money.
    And yes, there's plenty of alternatives to warhammer for sci fi and fantasy fiction.

  • @killinusoftly7744
    @killinusoftly7744 4 месяца назад +144

    One Page Rules. There is a reason you are on the Naughty list

    • @Threaldaveoss
      @Threaldaveoss 4 месяца назад +4

      That voice though

    • @Bloodthirstier
      @Bloodthirstier 4 месяца назад +26

      Oh cool! A model agnostic game that lets me have any race of any gender in my army. Thanks for the suggestion.

    • @psmt1234
      @psmt1234 4 месяца назад +6

      Oh to late my guy, you can have female Custodians and Space Marines has been the case for ages. In fact the only even slightly mono-gender army is the all female Battle Sisters army that worship a God Queen who, Cannoncally, Killed OPR's Not God-Emperor for being a freak and got off scott free. Literally ascending to actual Godhood Fighting Daemons while the Clone Betamale of the God King Malds.

    • @SPNKr02
      @SPNKr02 4 месяца назад +12

      @@Bloodthirstier its almost like they didnt change thier lore solely for dei or something

    • @Bloodthirstier
      @Bloodthirstier 4 месяца назад

      @@SPNKr02 What in the world is DEI?

  • @comicalrock496
    @comicalrock496 4 месяца назад +2

    I own a ludicrous amount of warhammer stuff, games, books, etc, just not minis, they cost so much and im always a half price book buyer to avoid that in the book costs. My folks live in UK, I know the minis are cheaper there, tried to get them to mail me some a few times, but never happened. Oh well

    • @AndrewFishman
      @AndrewFishman 4 месяца назад +1

      I own a ludicrous amount of minis, and cannot afford books and other stuff lol.

    • @comicalrock496
      @comicalrock496 4 месяца назад +1

      @@AndrewFishman half price been keeping me on my warhammer fix, otherwise I wouldn't dare. I also can't express how many of these books smell of cigarette and other types of smoke when I bought them, gotta keep them in a box with activated carbon or my room smells like a smokers place fast

    • @AndrewFishman
      @AndrewFishman 4 месяца назад +1

      @@comicalrock496 😆 the problem of pre-owned. You cannot control who owned it. I hate coffee stains and stuff on my books.

  • @kevinh.9939
    @kevinh.9939 4 месяца назад +15

    Female Inquisitors wear power armor sometimes, so that doesn't make sense even then.

    • @VladimirE.-is2ee
      @VladimirE.-is2ee 4 месяца назад +3

      The issue with space marines isn't the power armour, it's that they're very inhuman mutants and it's been long estabilished that this process only works on barely-teen males, since it hijacks the regular development process (and produces stuff like extra hearts)

    • @PreceptorGrant
      @PreceptorGrant 4 месяца назад

      The rumour goes (and I'm not saying I necessarily believe it) that Amazon wanted a female marine, GW and Henry said 'no, that's against the lore, how about a Sororitas instead?', Amazon didn't fancy that as too religious (dumb if true, have they even met the Imperium?), GW/Henry said 'ok, how about an Inquisitor then?', Amazon said 'no, we want her to still be superhuman out of the armour', so GW/Henry held their noses and offered a Custodes as a compromise.

    • @VladimirE.-is2ee
      @VladimirE.-is2ee 4 месяца назад

      @@PreceptorGrant If that's the case then I'm doubly angry at Amazon as either an inquisitor or an Adepta Sororitas would have been an amazing choice. I really enjoyed how the latter for instance was written in the recent Rogue Trader RPG which I loved in its entirety.

    • @PreceptorGrant
      @PreceptorGrant 4 месяца назад

      @@VladimirE.-is2ee Yeah, if it's true then Amazon have a lot to answer for. But that's a big if. We may never know the truth. I'm not about to start rage-mobbing anyone without something more concrete than a 4chan denizen's word, or Arch's 'friend at Amazon says his friend at Amazon says'
      And yes, all the love for Sister Argenta. I gave her Kick and Martial Arts, plus every other extra attack I could find. She's an absolute bolter-beast now.

    • @kevinh.9939
      @kevinh.9939 4 месяца назад

      ​@@VladimirE.-is2ee Wasn’t talking about marines at all there Cpt. Non Sequitur.

  • @BozarthPrime
    @BozarthPrime 4 месяца назад +1

    That list is honestly kind of a subscribe list. 😂 If they are in the same bucket as Discourse, Dana, and Goobertown and make some insecure man-children angry they are lilely worth at least checking out.

  • @mikeshoults4155
    @mikeshoults4155 4 месяца назад +18

    You underestimate the impact producing terrible shows will do to the brand. You are assuming, like Amazon is, that any show regardless of quality will increase interest in the brand and the game.
    It won't. Quite the opposite

    • @rowboat3940
      @rowboat3940 4 месяца назад +1

      She quite literally said this

    • @San_Vito
      @San_Vito 4 месяца назад

      Well, it did work for Fallout, old games are selling like crazy right now and the record of people playing simultaneously has been broken.

  • @Ghislain82
    @Ghislain82 4 месяца назад +25

    As someone who likes to paint cool miniatures, I dont really care.
    When first heard about this, my first thought was, "Does this mean we will get female custodes miniatures?"
    The answer is no
    Does this mean we will get a cool novel explaining all this?
    Nope
    I also couldn't think of a worse way to introduce female custodes. Makes me think they are purposefully sabotaging it.

    • @user-df5nb8zy7e
      @user-df5nb8zy7e 4 месяца назад +3

      The "always has been" part is probably to allow them to Heresy players.
      Because, apparently, there is a wargame about Warhammer 10000 years before.

    • @Ghislain82
      @Ghislain82 4 месяца назад +3

      ​@user-df5nb8zy7e If they were at least introducing new female models, I would agree.Given there are no plans for female miniatures I'd say they just pissed off a bunch of people for little to no benefit.

    • @krankarvolund7771
      @krankarvolund7771 4 месяца назад

      Yeah, I already don't care about these kinds of scandals because they're always the same, but here they're pissed off about two sentences in a codex, not even a new miniature range ˆˆ'

  • @Ryzearn
    @Ryzearn 4 месяца назад +18

    I do believe calling it a brotherhood is pretty explicit in that it's male only or when they said it was an honor to give up your first born son to be a custodes.

    • @Octarinewolf
      @Octarinewolf 4 месяца назад

      Assuming it isn't a translation of something like Nakama. And that High Gothic actually has sex based terms for your children. And we do know High Gothic evolved from Tech and Tech was a patois of multiple languages including Japanese.

    • @Cerderius
      @Cerderius 4 месяца назад

      The Fallout series has the "Brotherhood of Steel" which has both Female Paladins and Female Elders, a rank typically only obtained by those of Paladin rank, which predates Bethesdas acquisition of the game.

    • @sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462
      @sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462 4 месяца назад

      @@Octarinewolf Just... no. It's a space grim dark narrative set 38,000 years into the future written in 1986 and exponentially expanded upon since for 37 and a half years. There is very little interpretation for what you're trying to state. Custodes are male, end of story. Japan has been forgotten, America is barely remembered as some neo-atlantis called Ancient Merika. Nothing of our time is remembered. If anything Nakama is erroneously remembered as some inventor or religious guy who invented one of the founding computer principles in programming. The little scraps of information going back more than forty thousand years even so much as a thousand in the setting of 40k is riddled with mistakes and misinterpretations.

  • @khristienpennanen1810
    @khristienpennanen1810 4 месяца назад +1

    There is a similar list for gaming companies and one of the descriptors for why it's a bad company is "has a blurb on not being racist" lol. These people are such children

  • @OBeardyOne
    @OBeardyOne 4 месяца назад +6

    My dad doesn’t work at Nintendo, but I think this whole recent fiasco pangs of ‘any news is good news’ lacklustre marketing.
    It’s just sad to witness all these sensationalist knob’eds coming out of the woodwork to sh1t-stir in what to me and hopefully many others has always been a fun loving community that welcomes playing games with anyone, no matter where you or they sit on any spectrum as a common ground in which to break down barriers and unite, for some just in the joy of painting little men to die looking good 😜

  • @julienamand4472
    @julienamand4472 4 месяца назад +1

    The same that cry they "didn't gatekeep enough" being gatekept is such a lovely sight.

  • @davidmoore4384
    @davidmoore4384 4 месяца назад +5

    What other game?? Heard of One Page Rules... Half my local meta have already shifted that way...

    • @psmt1234
      @psmt1234 4 месяца назад +1

      Oh to late my guy, you can have female Custodians and Space Marines has been the case for ages. In fact the only even slightly mono-gender army is the all female Battle Sisters army that worship a God Queen who, Cannoncally, Killed OPR's Not God-Emperor for being a freak and got off scott free. Literally ascending to actual Godhood Fighting Daemons while the Clone Betamale of the God King Malds.

    • @user-df5nb8zy7e
      @user-df5nb8zy7e 4 месяца назад

      @@psmt1234 OPR's lore snippets are so much better than the Horus Heresy bullshit.

  • @MiddletonJeff
    @MiddletonJeff 4 месяца назад +1

    I stayed away from Warhammer 40k since 6th ed. The "People" really put me off. I started a new Admech army a month ago. Now we have all this rubbish. I played since Rogue Trader. You know something. IDGAF about female GSM or even SM. I really don't care. It is kind of putting me off playing again.

  • @JorisVDC
    @JorisVDC 4 месяца назад +4

    I don't think that you grasp the core of the issue with long term fans of the Grim Dark in 40k.
    Sure Gee-Dubs have made some more changes, but all where aimed at more sales, like Primaris Marines, which is a ploy to resell plastic to all wargamers who already have a massive marine collection.
    But Gee-Dubs going full woke, step by step and ruining the complete lore in the process is what gets people up in arms.
    They once fell in love with the dark setting of 40k where there is no any good faction as they all are just genocidal factions vying for total domination of the galaxy.
    As people have seen what happened to Star Wars and LotR, the feel the urge of protecting what they love.
    And gaslighting the community to include females into the custodes, without making any models for them is clearly an ideological shift.
    It's part of the Cultural Marxist movement which is just a wierd co-op between Tzeentch and Slaanesh to corrupt what once was escapism and a beautiful setting to tell your stories in.
    That was the beauty of 40k, it was diverse en inclusive as anything goes, but when you start changing the lore, the whole setting becomes worthless.
    40k has never had proper game rules, so if the lore is being changed, for me the biggest USP is being lost.
    People only put up with the ridiculous prices because there is no setting as was and Grim Dark as 40k.
    Just my 2 cents.

  • @korhyl9538
    @korhyl9538 4 месяца назад

    female space marines were there in the beginning. but the models would not sell back when it was Rogue Trader they were Gabs and Jayne in 1987.

  • @markwooden5059
    @markwooden5059 4 месяца назад +6

    Not to defend Mcarthy but, its only rumored he was gay. The point that you state it as fact displays a level of disingenuousness in your argument. Context matters, unless you only said it to apear clever and to make a point?

    • @sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462
      @sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462 4 месяца назад +1

      I mean this person in the video screams far-left to me. Surely you can see how they double down on destroying lore in the video by way of embracing these retcons? and yes, McCarthy was RUMORED (never confirmed) to be gay.

  • @Elendalar
    @Elendalar 4 месяца назад +2

    1, most fans play the game or buy the books = revinue - so yea boucutting will hurt.
    2, People are rightfully pissed at gaslighting and cooperate knee bending
    3, People are rightfully conserned this is only the beginning of another woke disaster that will ruin the franchise like .... oh Star wars, Witcher and Marvel.
    4, Theres no good basis for the change which only demisnish the already strong females (Sob, SoS, Inquisitors and female Guard) who faces the same horrors without being enhanced super humans- and by doing so is in fact cooler.
    5, Finally I think theres a lot of pushbach because people are fed up with woke nonsense. Its fine people wanner dress or partner up with whoever they like - but keep it out of my Games, hobbies and movies - coz I dont give a s***.

  • @tazmokhan7614
    @tazmokhan7614 4 месяца назад +7

    If this vid doesnt age well, it will be interesting to see what will be said by you Discourse.

    • @theoptimisticpessimist5555
      @theoptimisticpessimist5555 4 месяца назад +3

      She was a GW cheerleader when this all started.

    • @San_Vito
      @San_Vito 4 месяца назад +1

      @@theoptimisticpessimist5555 She's almost never said anything positive about GW in years. Most of her content about GW is just trashing on them.

  • @sullyway51
    @sullyway51 3 месяца назад

    Not to change the subject but in reference to Broken Anvil Scam I just notice that they are still selling STLs on MY Mini Factory .

  • @landonpaints
    @landonpaints 4 месяца назад +32

    2:28 Coincidently, I am openly gay for Eons of Battle

    • @Scrombo2
      @Scrombo2 4 месяца назад +5

      I didn't know Eons was gay, that's neat tho, keep on keeping on

    • @channelsofash
      @channelsofash 4 месяца назад +1

      The go to place when you need someone to remind you how fun and exciting the hobby can be.

    • @anoriginalzero3107
      @anoriginalzero3107 4 месяца назад

      @@Scrombo2 I wasn't absolutely certain but he was definitely giving me gay vibes and it's no wonder lol

    • @JoshJohnson-em8fu
      @JoshJohnson-em8fu 4 месяца назад +3

      EoB is a great channel for when you *don't* want to hear about everything "getting worse" or a bunch of controversy, and just want to enjoy your hobby.

  • @johanderyck6598
    @johanderyck6598 4 месяца назад +1

    Whoever made this ‘woke/not woke’ list forgot to put GW on there I guess, because of their explicit inclusivity statement. I really hoped these boys would’ve left the hobby by now if they only want to be in hoppy clubs with clones of themselves.

  • @lostbutfreesoul
    @lostbutfreesoul 4 месяца назад +14

    Just remind people:
    Game Workshop exists to Sell Miniatures....
    Then go ahead and remind them further:
    Game Workshop has a history of how it's I.P. is handled by other companies, and it has always been... firm. To the point it has killed popular video game series because it couldn't relax that hold any. To think that an American company would get some unique treatment is a little unusual, but then the people using the word 'woke conspiracy' do think there is someone in the shadow mind-controlling C.E.O.'s.

    • @stefanw6665
      @stefanw6665 4 месяца назад +2

      tbf amazon is huge and i could theoretically see them pushing for such a change. i dont think it's likely in this case though. when you consier statements from the blick library writers, the history of gw and gw becoming more popular, a step like this was only a question of when not if. i'm with luetin, i'm honestly surprised they didnt get female space marines going with primaris marines.

    • @BonusHole
      @BonusHole 4 месяца назад

      So if female Custodes don't sell well, those who hate the idea are correct?
      We know how this is going to work out. Get woke go broke is undefeated.
      Never trust an Irish person calling themselves 'European'.

    • @Ryzearn
      @Ryzearn 4 месяца назад +6

      My guy blackrock is involved with GW now they strongarm everyone

    • @stanleyclark923
      @stanleyclark923 4 месяца назад

      Of course there's no one controlling big corporations from the shadows. All of those giant companies just decided to go woke at the same time even though it has cost them billions, because giant corporations love losing money. BUT if there were someone like that calling the shots, his name would rhyme with Harry Stink. 🤡

    • @1776huckleberry
      @1776huckleberry 4 месяца назад

      amazong has black lives matter on the front page of amazon prime all the time, they are DEI and woke, this is absolutely not a secret to anyone.

  • @troffle
    @troffle 4 месяца назад +1

    "I'm European so I guess all my opinions are too socialist for American audiences."
    ... my heritage is European, I live in Australia, I have no particular respect for Americans, and I remember how in your ratioed video, you justified the changes as "Frasier, you never said you had a brother".
    That justification is not acceptable; the arguments that others have given like "but women have a right to be in Warhammer" are disingenuous seeing as the game had both female characters and female players". And I don't particularly consider you woke. There are people who consider me woke. There are people I consider to be woke and I disagree with them.
    I just wish people being insulted for hanging on to the actual reality of the situations weren't being gaslighted or called "American audiences".
    Can we also just remember, "the rage over female Custodes" seems to have not remembered that a big, big, JUSTIFIABLE part of the problem is not "females" or "female Custodes" as much as THE WAY GW HANDLED THIS MESS?

  • @johnjafon2410
    @johnjafon2410 4 месяца назад +3

    Who claims henry cavil hates women??? also warmachine is a good miniture if you like those.

    • @smiley4995
      @smiley4995 4 месяца назад +1

      The show runners of Witcher, which is easily shown to be just them being salty that he was trying to keep the show lore accurate, which is also why he ended up leaving. I believe what she said was sarcasm in this vid.

  • @blaked7532
    @blaked7532 4 месяца назад +1

    I really got into test of honour. It's given me reason to learn about sengoku jedai japan history to make my ashigaru light foot in historically acurate coloured armour and setup good scenarios.

  • @GenXPower
    @GenXPower 4 месяца назад +11

    to answer the boycott question: the people I have talked to are unsubscribing from Warhammer+, and we are switching to 3d printing. we are model painters and we play the table top. I am really liking the new one page game, where we can play with whatever figurines we want, and the game is straight up. we also have groups that stick to the older codex's you can have your own thing outside of games workshop. you are right in that it probably wont make a difference, but we can choose to use or money for other games that line up better with our ideals.
    to be clear, I don't mind female custodes. what we mind are the reasons behind the change. the motivations to insert DEI into everything. that is the issue. no one really talks about the argument. they point to the individuals and call us names to deflect from the primary argument. it is dismissive and disingenuous. gaslighting at it's finest.

    • @HistoritorJimaldus
      @HistoritorJimaldus 4 месяца назад +2

      No one 100% knows the reason behind the change, but we do know black library authors have wanted to do it for years

  • @carmichaelits
    @carmichaelits 4 месяца назад +1

    I take issue with the gaslighting, which seems to have happened. I find it lazy. I personally have no issues with females in Warhammer, but work it in. The laziness to just pretend that's always the case is off putting. - Although I'm of the opinion of consistency in lore with anything.

  • @Octarinewolf
    @Octarinewolf 4 месяца назад +23

    If Amazon had wanted a female in power armour in a new show, they could have had one in Fallout.

    • @yonghominale8884
      @yonghominale8884 4 месяца назад +11

      Or they could have the Sisters of Battle who are WOMEN who wear Power Armor .

    • @wightrat1207
      @wightrat1207 4 месяца назад +3

      Sisters of Battle

    • @Brandon-to5sl
      @Brandon-to5sl 4 месяца назад

      America has been the country on top for near on 150 years. Never lost a legit war, may have failed to meet certain requirements but have never lost a war and I don't see that happening soon. THE SAD TRUTH will be that country will not be torn down by enemies but within by the idiots and gay

    • @DB8ed
      @DB8ed 4 месяца назад +3

      @@yonghominale8884 they didnt want the sisters. If the rumors go, they supposedly were "too religious" for Amazon's standards.

    • @allytank-itykitty7417
      @allytank-itykitty7417 4 месяца назад +4

      @@DB8ed lol... did they actually read the whole "how the imperium functions" part, pretty sure they are going to be in for a massive shocker.

  • @vegetablehead8770
    @vegetablehead8770 4 месяца назад +1

    Primaris Space Marines bother me more than female Space Marines or female Adeptus Custodes, at least from a lore standpoint. It implies The Emperor of All Mankind made an oversight when creating the hierarchy of superhumans, and that just flies in the face of all the lore. Female Space Marines have roots in the old Rogue Trader models, so anyone complaining about them might want to check their 1987/1988 copies of White Dwarf.

    • @wendiewebb4457
      @wendiewebb4457 4 месяца назад

      The emperor didn’t make the space marines in the first place

    • @vegetablehead8770
      @vegetablehead8770 4 месяца назад

      @@wendiewebb4457 Where do you get that? In the lore, he created the Space Marines from the genetic makeup of the Primarchs.

    • @ChonkyTatzelwurm
      @ChonkyTatzelwurm 4 месяца назад

      Empy does have a history of hamstringing his own creations so he can wipe them out later, see Thunder Warriors

  • @hotrodsteve3276
    @hotrodsteve3276 4 месяца назад +3

    There are too many other places where women have amazing roles in this world to artificially create new ones for the sake of doing it. It's ridiculous.

  • @helbent4
    @helbent4 4 месяца назад

    As i've asked before, Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? ("Who will clean the janitors?")
    Back a year or so ago there was a glut of former WH40K players moving over to Battletech in the wake of GW cracking down on fan stuff (or something). There is some conceptual overlap there. BT also imagines a future at war with extensive lore going back farther than Warhammer by a few years. The "vattlemechs" have become more aesthetically pleasing over time and paint up nicely. However it's strictly humans fighting it out. Instead of massed armies of infantry supported by vehicles it's a more limited number of "big stompy robots" duking it out supported by tanks and some power-armour infantry. I think it's comparable to Epic scale and so everything but the mechs looks tiny. It's not quite as baroque as WH40 so you won't be painting anything like a space marine biting the ear off the severed head of a space Ork and writing love letters to the Emperor in its blood on his armour.

  • @elcawlinferior
    @elcawlinferior 4 месяца назад +15

    Lady... The boicot is HD Scans and 3D prints....

    • @colemboletaor8498
      @colemboletaor8498 4 месяца назад

      lol

    • @NightShadowSystem
      @NightShadowSystem 4 месяца назад +1

      I dont know what to tell u. But that was even before this cuz of price and nothing "new". People will still buy the plastic crack.

    • @mikefranklin7347
      @mikefranklin7347 4 месяца назад

      Lady?

  • @DeltaSector-DS001
    @DeltaSector-DS001 4 месяца назад

    Far too many people associate their love (obsession) of one brand with the "Hobby". Don't dislike GW for the wAMeN (Because that's stupid), dislike them for the price model and the suits that focus on your wallets.
    There are so many more wargames out there.
    One Page Rules is great for mini-agnostic games that will allow you to use that big gw collection.
    Star Wars Legion if you like robust mechanics and the pew pews and zoom zooms.
    Blood Black if you like horror, chaos and RUclipsrs ;)
    Star / Frost Grave if you like modular teams, campaign play and some pretty nifty spells / abilities. (Pushing one of your own units all the way across the map to the objective, teleporting to him, then pushing him all the way off the map, because it's faster than him running, is a perfectly valid strategy)
    Explore, play new games, and if you still go back to GW because the models are great and the community is... very large... then that's fine. But at least you can say you know what else is out there!

  • @jonpru82
    @jonpru82 4 месяца назад +10

    For reference; I’ve been collecting minis since the mid 90s, and reading 40k books since 2003. By far my favorite IP.
    The current situation is not shocking; it’s just another straw.
    We’ve watched beloved IPs destroyed wholesale over the last decade; and these are just rumblings of another IP potentially collapsing.
    I love minis, lore, and gaming; but maybe it’s time for a one page rules type gaming system and head cannon. I can create whatever I’d like, and pull minis from where ever I’d like. My vampire counts can continue to shuffle forward in the same universe as my dnd games; and my IWs can be adapted to a fun new gothic horror sci-fi setting. It’ll be a fun fantasy sci-fi universe to explore with my family.

    • @HistoritorJimaldus
      @HistoritorJimaldus 4 месяца назад +3

      Bad writing happens, and opinions vary (not everyone gets triggered over a black mermaid for example) - but it’s a fallacy to say that ‘woke=bad’ - new Fallout show is a perfect example, plenty woke but great writing so it’s a great show

    • @NotoriousTim
      @NotoriousTim 4 месяца назад

      @@HistoritorJimaldus I agree that woke doesnt = bad but the fallout show is pretty mediocre.

    • @stanleyclark923
      @stanleyclark923 4 месяца назад

      @@HistoritorJimaldus There's literally nothing redeeming about it. It's like kudzu vines. It spreads like cancer and strangles creativity. Fallout is good in spite of the wokeness but thankfully there's not much of it in there.

    • @domc9801
      @domc9801 4 месяца назад

      @@HistoritorJimaldusI’d say it’s more on the substance really, they stepped over other choices to just change something that really didn’t need it, it undermines both the lore and woman in a dumb way, we literally just got the sisters of silence back in Terra, it’d be 100% better than a forced change that’s not even done well.

    • @smiley4995
      @smiley4995 4 месяца назад

      @@HistoritorJimaldus Nah, Fallout isn't woke. Wokeness isn't just having trans, gay, or even politically different characters, it is trying to create something or alter it solely for identity rather than for story. Idk if that necessarily makes sense. The fallout show didn't tamper with the lore is also what shows it to not be woke.
      There are some that think that wokeness is just someone or something existing in an IP means woke but nah if you have issues with that then no you don't hate wokeness you just hate whatever you're pointing out in that IP

  • @cdude665
    @cdude665 4 месяца назад +1

    It's not that having female custodes is a bad thing, it's GW acting like we are all stupid by saying "It's always been that way" Just say "hey everyone we want to start adding some new lore to the custodes to add more women etc" Don't treat your fanbase as though they are stupid it's that easy. Probably would have been received a lot better if they did.

  • @deadman8428
    @deadman8428 4 месяца назад +11

    I'm hoping GW and the amazon show tank hard

  • @xainkuze2338
    @xainkuze2338 4 месяца назад

    You're probably not going to read this but I'm going to add my two cents anyway...😒.. I'll be honest I recently got into the Warhammer genre Lore about a year and a half maybe 2 years ago, 🤨 my friend kept giving me his spare game books. Now when I read this Lore first off, the one thing I noticed about the emperor is that he always keeps two types of bodyguards around him, the adeptus custodes and these chicks in the golden armor call the sisters of silence. 🤔Now at first I thought the sisters of silence were actually a part of the custodians Branch just a separate secret branch. This is one of the reasons why I figured that when they said that there's always been female custodies I figured oh so they're finally going to give the sisters of silence their own army, their own shock troopers, their own air units, their own tanks & specialized Commander units. 😒 Unfortunately this was not the case they just wanted to add in four different female custodies characters...🤨... Which really doesn't make sense ,female custodies is an issue. 🧐... Now before you go postal on me, here's my argument; in the past the emperor of mankind was one of the very few human beings that was aware that chaos was an actual threat. He also seemed to understand which people and which genders are more susceptible to it. We know this because in the sisters of battle, No sisters of battle character has fallen to korn,nurgle or tizznitch however, the sister of battle known as Mirida..🤔...(I think that's her name) Has fallen to Slaanesh! I believe this is one of the key reasons why he also decided to forgo having 10 sons and 10 daughters as primarchs, as was suggested by his best friend malcador. 🤨 To be blunt I believe the emperor did not create female custodians due to the fact that they might be more susceptible to falling to chaos...🤔.. I mean come on think about it, we've already seen chaos space Marines imagine if you were to see a chaos custodies! 😱This is my theory due to the fact that he did have an incredible amount of foresight.

  • @shinrah4772
    @shinrah4772 4 месяца назад +4

    It's the same dozen+ channels that hop onto these topics constantly, at one point or another I watched some of their content and thought hmm, fair enough, but it got gradually worse for most of these channels. It's insane how often yt randomly throws me these vids in my feed just cause I liked to watch the occassional movie or show review. Also literally every video is called sth. like "Henry Cavill "leaves, is mad, hates, threatens, is feared, outraged" or w/e, but from what I can tell he hasn't really made any public statements in that regard? Def. not to the extend it's claimed.