I'm that guy who drives around resting my palm on the shifter. It's so satisfying pulling a lever rather than rotating a dial or punching at buttons to change gears.
I recently did a Raptor wheel swap on my F-150 (w/ column shift) and love even more to have the shift paddles right at my finger tips. Have noticed I now drive more with hands at 9 & 3 instead of before kinda going one handed on the wheel.
@@ALMX5DP I drove a rental camry with paddle shifters and I developed the same habit. Now every time I drive the Stinger, I'm at 9 and 3 and constantly clicking the paddles.
@@CACressida yeah surprisingly addictive, and I think promotes good driving habits to boot. Shame the Stinger is being discontinued, it's a pretty awesome car. Keep that thing as long as you can.
I looked at all of them, researched them until I reached the end of the internet. I test drove all of them and ended up buying a new Ram 1500 4x4 Bighorn (didn't want leather). This is the most loaded bighorn I have ever seen, about every option you can throw at it...I love it! It is such an awesome truck. I bought my last truck brand new, a 2001 Silverado extended cab. I still have it and not parting with it because it only has 165K miles and runs like new and still drive like new-ish. Great video, good to see real people giving their opinons
I was between Dodge, Ford, and Toyota and went with the Tundra. The prices of Ford and Dodge are absolutely insane - they wanted $15-20k more than the tundra. Their lots also had 50+ trucks sitting and Toyota had 6 tundras. I think they’re all awesome but the American dealerships can eat shit. Great trucks but theyre killing themselves with the markups
My perfect truck would comprise of the Duramax engine, the Ram interior, the GM multiflex tailgate, GMC exterior, Ford pro onboard power in the bed and the back window of a Tundra lol
I don't hate any of those trucks but for me It's Chevy although I wouldn't go for the High Country. I personally love my Trail Boss. It has styling off road performance and most of the comforts all around.
The other day I was on highway 77 south in south east Texas. I passed a Tundra towing a Ford, a Chevy and ram trucks. People here go up north to auctions and buy vehicles and bring em back to sell. I almost started to follow the Tundra so I could maybe buy the Tundra but then I realized I was already driving a 4runner.
My man Jim knows the deal with that step. When I was a youngster, I used to break my old man's stones about it. He's long since passed on and now I'm getting up there and feeling it. I have no doubt he's laughing at me from beyond.
Right?!?! I’m watching this but looking at used of all of these. I’m almost certain I’m going with the Ram and it’ll be $34k with 30k miles on it - barely broken in.
Be interesting to see which one you prefer Tim since you’ve owned 3 of the 4? But you have to take into consideration the different trim levels. Some of those trims are 10-15k higher than the others.
You had me at the very start of the video with the Ram at $78,770. That's what used to be a house. I guess Im not buyinh a new truck anytime soon. I guess I'll hold on to my 2016 F150 XLT FX4 ($36K) brand new until the wheels fall off
That was a fun video Tim, great to be able to compare side by side like that. I really enjoyed your friends direct and immediate feedback from each model. These guys are obviously knowledgeable truck owners that know and use trucks. I also found it interesting, my selection/pick if you will was the same as well.
@Pickup Truck Plus SUV Talk I think it is more possible than in this video, but a good solution is to mention and explain your point in the video. Still, nice work.
I'll take the Tundra because money is an issue. Clearly has the most features and bang for your buck. Add to that, it has the best resale and reliability and IMO best looking. I do like the ride better the Ram and the more upscale interior. The looks on the Ram are great too. But the interior and ride isn't enough to sway me from the Tundra being my #1 choice.
I’m on my third Toyota truck from the 80’s SR5…2007 Tacoma..now 2020 Tundra. I waste money on extended warranty’s with Toyota. Had a Chevy and two Fords in between and had to get rid of them for all the issues and needed every bit of those extended warranty’s. The only thing that ever failed on the SR5 was the water pump at 150k. The Tacoma driver side wheel bearing at 160k. 3 yrs and 35k on the Tundra…nothing.
@@liamcarp7113Literally everything has been overhauled for the better. It’s best overall balance and best bang for your buck. Minor issue aside that often comes with a brand new generation, the 3rd Gen tundra is just a bulletproof as the previous gen.
@@liamcarp7113 correct...but just about every Toyota is amazing when it comes to reliability...everyone is assuming this will be no different. It's not about the truck, it's about the company that makes them...
Get back to me when these trucks have 100,000 miles on them and talk about how many times each has been in the shop and what for. This looks like just some old guys talking about where they like the cup holders and tailgate to open to get their golf clubs in and out.
Agreed. I have a '17 Ecodiesel RAM (They've had problems with this engine) that has never been in the shop--112k miles. Fuel economy 26 round town, 27 ((at 75 moh), 31-32 when driving 60-65. Only problem--likes a new set of sneakers every 35k and diesel fuel price sucks. Very comfortable.
I really appreciated this review - real people not industry insiders or fanboys.. for the majority of truck owners groceries, golf clubs and their kids sofa are some of the common items being "hauled" around these days. I would like to see the manufactures stop the practice of limiting access to functional features in higher trims. I want function not luxury in my truck. Being someone who tows a travel trailer across the country a couple times a year - I do not understand what's going on with CCC. If you believe what the tags tell you - not one of those trucks has enough CCC to actually tow anything close to half of its tow capacity. Seems odd that at the same time RV manufacturers are focused on making 1/2 ton towable rigs. What's going on? Can you ask your industry friends about that?
This guy is a truck salesmen. He will sit and tell you how much better one truck is then another but will pick the fallapart Ford as his favorite because it has nice seats. Even though we know ford's are unreliable. Hell this guy can't even figure out what fuel he needs in his chevy.
It comes down to more features. Automakers can’t make the truck stronger because then a half-ton moves into the 3/4 ton weight class. So, they have to keep the curb weight the same while making the chassis stronger while also accounting for more features aka weight in the truck. It is a tough balancing game. As you saw, the Ram 1500 had the worst payload rating because it had the most features. The XLT had the best with less features and cloth seats.
@@Pickuptrucktalk I understand the argument about the segments - but there's a lack of truth in advertising (not surprising). Every year the manufacturers put out higher and higher towing capacity for the 1/2 ton segment, but in reality it can't tow that if it can't carry the hitch weight and normal size American people. I would love to see some regulation regarding advertising that requires them to actually advertise what it can tow with a default allowance of 150lbs per seating position in the vehicle plus 500lb in the bed pre-hitch. I'd like to see the RUclipsrs like yourself, TFL Truck, Truck King, etc. take them to task on a regular basis on this subject. Kind of like you did Ford on the rust. One other note .. I should be able to equip a capable 4 wheel drive with tow package and not be locked out of options for one or the other - again, I don't think the truck manufacturers understand what is going on in the RV world - overlanding, boon docking, etc. People need capable trucks to get them into remote places and back out. Appreciate your channel.
Still prefer the Ford F-150. That ProPower On Board is great for camping and for powering an RV (if you have the 7.2kW). Plus Ford gives you 12v outlets. I hate it when manufacturers stick underpowered USB ports on the vehicles without any other options. Most devices uses Quick Charge and USB-PD now, so 12v outlets are much more handy. Wish Ford can do the split tailgate and make the FX4 package a bit better (by getting rid of the front chin spoiler and actually putting a real bash plate there). I realize you can get the Tremor, but they only have that in a short bed.
@@wickedsourmainesourdoughsh2781 I looked at the RAM when our family was car shopping. There is one 12v outlet on the dash of the vehicle. The rest of it is either an under powered AC port or under powered USB port. Same in Toyota Tundras.
Pre 2021 Toyota I would say quality is solid. New 2022 the forums speak for themselves. Spun main bearings, dashes going out and poor quality. Top it off Toyota customer service has gone down hill
Enjoyed the discussion. You can’t go wrong with any of them. Comparable trim levels would obviously have helped with the comparison. I drove all the more off road oriented models before ordering a 2023 Tremor 402A. I ranked them Ford, Ram Rebel GT, GMC AT4, Chevy Trailboss, Tundra TRD Off-road. I sure wish the F150 had the GM diesel option because that’s a fantastic engine. I really dislike the Tundra mustache. Unlike your friends I don’t care for the Ram dial shifter.
How do you like the Tremor so far? I'm looking at the F-150 Tremor (2021-2023) and would love some real world info on it. How's the gas mileage for you? How's the every day ride, if it's a daily driver? Anything you don't like after having it, even if it's not a major gripe?
@@csmatrix007 I don't have it yet and as of this morning I won't be taking delivery. The monroney sticker just became available on Ford's order tracking site and there were additional deletes of standard equipment (advanced security pack, auto start/stop, heated steering wheel, bed camera). It was too much for me to stomach considering the $75k sticker (I negotiated $68k though) to take delivery. I really prefer the Ford and will wait this out awhile or consider the RAM and GMC again. Maybe @TimEsterdahl has an opinion on Ford's dismal supply chain management but it seems CEO Farley should have long since been fired. Non of the other big truck manufacturers have these deletes.
@@REBooner30 I appreciate the info. I've found a few nearby and they're still quite expensive used. Might just toss some $$ into a few repairs in our current vehicles and wait a while longer. Really like the feature sets and look of this truck tho. Thanks again.
@@csmatrix007 If you're willing to travel Granger Ford in Des Moines, IA will sell you a custom ordered truck at 3% below invoice. Ask for Chip Giles. No funny business and a great guy to work with remotely. Very responsive and big savings. *I have no interest in Granger, just a guy in CA who ordered a truck from Chip and once Ford figures its $hit out I'll order again if I can wait for that to happen.
Love and own Fords, like the new diesel and interior in the Chevy, like the turbo and hybrid powertrain in the Tundra but I think if I were going to replace my F-150 today it would likely be with the Ram with pretty well tried and true 5.7 / ZF8, and multi link rear suspension.
After twelve years, the ecoboost engines are tried and true at this point, and put out amazing real-world power. The 5.7 is underpowered, and the rear coils ruin the towing experience on the ram over around 6.5k lbs.. In my opinion, the ram is the best looking truck in the line up, but it's time to get with the times on powertrains, and suspension (ford bolted control arms with rear leafs wins over chevy stamped control arms and ram rear coils). Allison transmissions available in chevy 1500's and massive power available in Ford ecoboost engines has ram needing something more than awesome styling.
@@skellington2000 Yeah, the ford 5.0 in the f150 and the chevy 5.3 are also underpowered. I just responded to the original comment which suggested that the 5.7 is a great, tried and true motor when it may be tried and true, but it's not great. At this point, if you're considering a 1/2-ton truck to pull anything of consequence, the 5.7 with rear coils just isn't a great option. Sure, the naturally aspirated, small v8's in fords and Chevys aren't good either, but at least the back ends on those don't booty shake all over the road like the coils on the rams. People say it's subjective, and to some degree it is, but ram 1500's with the rear coils and 5.7's are really some of the worst with a 6.5k+-lb trailer behind them. That said, from a power only perspective, the 5.0 and 5.3 are both pretty terrible compared to the ecoboosts and 6.0-6.2's, but at least the handling is there under a tow load or pay load where it's just not with those coil springs..
One more quick point: The ford 2.7 will pull significantly better than the ford 5.0 (I don't know how, but it does). And the 2.7 is a cheaper option than the 5.0. In order to get the same pulling power as a 2.7 out of a chevy or a ram, you have to pay a lot extra for the bigger engines.
@@swampgumpharpy7977 I have a 2020 RAM REBEL with 5.7 Hemi and ZF 8 speed transmission, also with 4 corner air suspension, and it pulls my 27 ft travel trailer just fine !
I’m almost 60. I’ve been driving pickups on the family Ranch since age 9 (very normal back in the day). Anyway these trucks are all absolutely amazing in comparison to the trucks of my youth. As a matter of fact… my dad, recently passed away, pulled a 35’ fifth wheel with his 2002 Toyota Tundra!! I’m not kidding. He put airbags in the rear and sold his 1995 F-350. That 1995 Tacoma out pulled the F-350! He took that trailer to a Lake Tahoe from Victorville several times a year lol! But understand this. When he started driving, he learned in a 1946 Ford 1-ton pickup. He saw the Tundra as an amazing piece of engineering far far more capable Than the 3/4 and 1-ton pickups he owned all the way through the mid 90’s! Here is something to think about! Take a 1995 Ford F-350 with the diesel engine. Look at its weight, the kind of and size of brakes, at its low end torque and horsepower. Look at its 0-60 times and its stopping distance under normal load. Then look at the 2023 Ford F-150 with max trailer package. The 2023 half ton will weigh the same or just a little more than the 1995 1-ton pickup!!!!! It will have more power, better brakes and can absolute pull a 18,000 lbs trailer better than the 1-ton 1995 truck! For me, I prefer Ford better than the Ram. I don’t care for the Rams coil springs under a load and I feel the styling is feeling dated.
IMO, column shifter still the best. You can do EVERYTHING with a column shifter that you can do with the others....AND....you can have bench seat for another person if you ever need it. AND....you still have a center console.
I am older, late 60's. Have enjoyed chevy/GMC all my life. I drove the new Tundra last Saturday. I was not impressed with the fit and finish of the trim outside the passenger windows. I thought too much plastic in console and had rattles. The motor was ok, was not hybrid. I think for 70,000 MSRP, I will keep my Yukon Denali. Toyota has to do better if they want me as a customer.
Fascinating priorities. Fuel economy, payload, and resistance to corrosion are my top three priorities, none of which appeared to even be considerations for these guys. The Ram is back of pack in all of my top categories, but from an interior, ride and driving dynamics perspective, it would be at the top.
I agree. These guys could be comparing Cadillacs instead. My priorities are more in line with yours. I would also throw in reliability/durability and warranty as a priority since I can't afford to buy a new vehicle every few years.
But what about the reliability of the RAM? I think the RAM is the best looking, but I see too many comments about reliability issues. I just need something that will run without issues. Can you bring some commentary on that? Thanks Tim.
I don't know about the last year or 2 year models but I have seen lots of blown head gaskets and oil pump issues besides all the electrical issues. I have a buddy that bought one new a few years ago and a month or 2 after we got it we took a road trip up to Charlotte in it and on the way home to SC 5 hours southeast basically the headlights quit working. His stereo would quit the dealer replaced that at least once I know of. In less then 6 months it went back total piece of shit that truck was. I have seen others that had issues with the lights strobing or just quit working like his too. I really like the look of them and the interior is really nice. So I bought a Denali Ultimate lol I know one of the mechanics that used to work for us on and off was a Dodge nut. He didn't have all that much money and my next door neighbor bought a new truck so I bought his Ram from him and sold it to Vinny for $100 over what I had in it. It was a nice truck just a stripped down 2wd 4.7 but it was nice for what it was. He took my trailer when I was out of town and went to VA I guess to pick something up and blew the tires out on my trailer somehow and blew the engine up in that Ram. Then I bought another for him from a local bank that is constantly selling repos. That truck needed a new ECU in 6 months or less of him having it. Those were both 06-10 trucks but still from what I have seen I wouldn't buy one
I had a 2014 Ram for 9 years. Most reliable truck I've ever owned. I recently traded it in for a 2020 Ram 1500 4x4. The only reason for trading it in was i needed 4 wheel drive.
@@Pickuptrucktalk you’re not going to see long-term reliability issues driving a truck around for a year .Ram still has not fixed their lifter issues along with the exhaust manifold bolts breaking off.
My Rating of these four: 1) Silverado; 2) RAM; 3) Ford; 4) Tundra. Of course I like my 2023 GMC SIERRA SLT the best with the LZ0 diesel and multipro tailgate which is just as useful as RAM’s barn door arrangement. Great comparison. I wonder what the younger generation of folks would chose among the 4 trucks?
Younger guy here. My rank would be: 1) Ram 2) GM 3) Ford 4) Tundra I could never afford these trims though, would need a base model work truck comparison.
I can relate. I didn’t buy my first new vehicle until I was 33. It was an F250 4x4 with 5 liter V8 for $14K. I just turned 70 and bought my third new vehicle.
I have owned Ford ,gmc ,and Ram ,had problems with all of them ,never been stranded or broke down in a Toyota ,4cy or v8 .I will be buying the tundra for the long haul ! American trucks seem to be in the parts business.
It's crazy how good the fiat truck got. I agree the tundra is the best one of the bunch. I'd take a 10year old toyota over anything made today. Especially at today's stupid prices.
Not a fair comparison. You pick the top end Ram, and the lower end Ford and Toyota. I would have love to hear their opinion if all the trucks were fully loaded.
The Ford was only an XLT trim, and I don't think these "truck guys" understood that that truck can be equipped with a step. The GM steps work very well and are always available, the Ram tailgate is the best, but it was Ford that started the tailgate feature trend. The almighty Toyota still offers nothing in the tailgate and the rear bumper slopes at the ends so you can't step on it. The Toyotas rear floor is not flat. I also have 2 dogs who travel with me, so I prefer the open floor in the Ford. One of your guest truck guys didn't seem to give his wife much credit. I'm sure my wife would have more insight into what a truck is for other than lugging around golf clubs.
Yeah exactly and Tim doesn't say anything about hey this truck can be ordered with that option also. He just lets the guys think the ram is so much better
My new, 4 week old, 23 F150 King Ranch has misaligned doors, a mediocre paint job and infotainment system issues. It was cold and rainy when I took delivery and the body/paint actually issues didn’t become obvious until a couple of weeks later when I washed it for the first time. We’ll see if Ford makes it right.
I have owned GMC (2), S10, Dodge Ram 1985, Chevy full size manual stick on the floor, a Colorado xcab 2wd and now 22 F150 XL 5.0 almost no options. I prefer a work truck profile and have liked every truck except the dodge which at the time had a ballust resistor on the dash and we know what that does!
I like the Chevy"s look with the diesel option in a LT trim as I don't need all the bells/electronics... I also like the Ram in a trim like the "Big Horn" and the V6 (3.6L) would be perfect as I don't tow much.
I have a Tundra Capstone. Chevy would be my first choice,,,, if only,, they could work a little bit on their reliability. Chevy has just the right touch inside and outside in my eyes.
I own the 2022 tundra. I don't care for the styling of the bumpers. The front is too low. The grill is to big and the difficulty getting in the box is annoying. I purchased for the expected reliability and resale value. Time will tell. I love the looks on the GMC in and out but I can't trust a gm product I had to many issues with them in the past.
@@sranney1 i traded my frontier pro4x 178k miles for a van , for space, now i am looking back to get also a truck and probably a titan this time. I do not trust all the tech from those trucks, I am not getting a truck for this lol
I don’t think the comparison was fair to Ford as it wasn’t as high end of trim level as the rest. If you had of compared fords lariat or higher I feel it would have been more fair. I’m saying this from being a Chevy guy who recently switched to a ford f150 tremor 402A package.
Good video Tim. When comparing prices and details why doesn’t any you tuber compare equivalent Trim levels. If you’re going to compare tailgates have the manufactures optional step on every model
I’m a Ram guy and if money was no object, would probably go Ram. But value, it’s hard to go against the Toyota. It’s 10k less than the others, has similar if not better features and in theory, they should last. Yeah it’s not as nice looking but that’s a big price difference.
Things to consider about the TUNDRA. No recovery hooks, no AWD (all wheel drive), no step up bumper, no rear flat floor, poor seat construction (weak plastic trim front seats), narrow visibility between rear view mirror and the entertainment screen, very poor interior/exterior night light visibility except for the highest trim levels.
@@NMTRUCKER I'm sitting in my '22 right now....the 14" screen in no way impacts vision. Some pictures and video angles make it look like its sticking way above the dash,its less then an inch and level with the gauge cluster pod
@@ravensfootball52 Except if you get the hybrid. I had an deposit down on a 1794 but after 61/2 months of waiting for an allocation I gave up and bought the 2023 GMC.
One thing that is not mentioned, the dependability of each truck! I'm not a truck guy, but interesting. I recently bought the Lexus LC500 as my retirement car.
Smart money says to buy the Tundra for long term reliability, but I really really like every Ram I see around town. Don’t really like the look of the Tundra as much.
I can't really comment on the brand new models, i have a 21 ram bighorn midnight edition, i have driven the 21 ford f150's and the 21 gmc truck, and by far the nicest looking, riding and handling truck out of the three is the ram.
From my comparisons on all these trucks. I’ve concluded for mild to medium towing. The Toyota is the best bang for the buck. With standard features and added accessories. Payload , mpg, torque, storage, upgraded amenities etc. and of course price. Looks go to the Ram. Ford last in looks
Just wait till Toyota takes away some of those options you paid for when buying your truck. And then tells you that you have to pay for a subscription for heated seats🤨
On the Chevy be careful stepping into the bed with the tailgate down. On my hd with the tail gate down, I cracked the tail lamp housing using the step facing the rear of the truck and tried to swing my left leg over. Use the step facing the side aka rear fender, what ever you want to call it. It Will keep you from kneeing your tail lamp into oblivion. Lol I’m just used to using the bumper out of habit on older trucks. Could of used that for gas 😅
Hey cool video. Enjoyed the comparison. If im driving one home…..im definitely taking the f150 hands down. From my experience 3.5 ecoboost outperforms all 3 of the others. I could care less about all the fancy electronic bells/whistles, i do like better materials inside but am totally ok with cloth. I prefer the cable actuated shifter like in the ford over all these drive by wire shifter knobs. Plus so many trims/equipment groups to choose from, i say ford is most versatile and best bang for the buck…..and…im a superduty owner lol
@@kona6451 my personal experience, along with data collected from thousands of truck owners Fords have been the least reliable brand as of lately. Ram and Toyota are the most reliable.
@@fireant1272 The Toyota is having it's share of problems with the 3.5 engine. It's reliability is riding on the coattails of the 80s cars. I use to be a Toyota mechanic in the 90s and lets just say we were always busy. I owned a Toyota truck that I bought new in 91. Was it a good truck? sure. Was it as good as the f150s I've owned? Nope. Never cracked open an engine or transmission on any Ford I've ever owned, can't say that about my Toyota.
Great video showing regular pick up guys making comments.👍👍 Interesting to hear these guys choosing RAM and/ or Chevy because multi-tailgate and interior comfort...Hey Toyota..hellooo!
Not a fancy interior or gadget guy. Tundra for sure. I don’t like to get new trucks every 3-4 years, and that Tundra is in a class by itself when it comes to reliability.
@@wizzle9306 Motortrend recently reviewed the Toyota truck and they said they were shocked by the quality lapses. Misaligned and disappearing trim, rattles and more. Perhaps a first year issue.
The only fair way to compare value is by comparing vehicles with similar price points. If you are comparing bells and whistles, try top trim levels OF THE SAME YEAR... For my next video, I'll be comparing a 2016 Laramie vs all other brand new trucks.
Great video. I liked you having two normal guys in the video and getting their input. I'd obviously have to drive all 4 to really make a decision but by the video I like the interior of the Toyota the least although I did like the storage under the rear seat. Love the Rams tailgate and I like the Tam boxes also. I'd love to take the Ram and drop the Chevy's 3.0 Duramax in it or even drop the Ford 3.5 EcoBoost in it. Probably be the perfect truck. Love the Hemi sound but its out powered here and has the worst real world fuel economy.
My only issue with this comparison and as a 2023 F150 Platinum owner, you compared a relatively base F150 with higher trimmed trucks. Perhaps the F150 would have faired better if it were a Lariat. Other than that, it’s a good video with real world owners. Also, these reviewer were older retirees. They seemed very concerned with luxury and comfort. The younger generations might have different priorities. I’m not quite retired but I have similar priorities as these guys. All in all, I enjoyed this video.
Yeah, he said "I love Toyotas. My wife and I have had them for 40 years. I just wish they would do something about the interior" --- man, so brutal. Just brutal.
I find it really interesting how much they liked the dial shifter on the Ram. Looks like the ergonomics/engineers were right on that call. I'd go Ram but I'm biased. I liked Dodge back when it was unpopular.
I was very surprised to hear that. I would have thought these would be guys, similar to the ones in the comment section, that say they don’t want nothing fancy in their truck.
I have a 2021 Ram Warlock. I wish it had a conventional column shifter. I’m afraid I’m gonna throw my truck into park reaching for air conditioning knobs.
@@theirthereandtheyre2947 Most of these electronic shifters have a lockout feature, so your unable to put the vehicle in park once its going above a certain speed, like 5 mph.
I'll agree that, if you're going to go 100% electronic, the "dial-a-gear" setup is far superior to having a lever that serves no purpose aside from being "familiar." Having said that I'd still take an old-school mechanical shifter any day of the week. Zero feedback when you shift gears makes me really uncomfortable.
tbr2109............"ZERO feedback when you shift gears"! My 2020 Ram Rebel with Rotary shifter has detents when rotating the knob. Also full turn left is "PARK", and dull turn to the eight is "DRIVE", which is no different than a column shifter!
Co worker of mine had a 1500 and was stranded in the parking lot. Due to not shifting out of park. Towed to the dealership and found that the dial was defective.
kind of the same as 4x4 knobs.. people love it on the floor but lots of those levers you think are actually mechanical are just electronic anyway... you nailed it, the gearshift is just familliar.
Dial shifter is better no questions. People who refer to stick shifter as old-school probably don't know how to drive a manual or understand how dumb of an argument that is.
Tim this Comparison of the limited RAM and the XLT Ford was unfair. It should have been the Ford Limited against the ram limited would be a even comparison.
No mention I heard of the RAM's back seat cubbys or the air suspension or the RAMBox option which I have found very handy. Limited has heated and ventilated seats front and back. A lot more not mentioned. Biggest issue for me is the 4 Star crash rating they haven't fixed since 2019!!! IF they fixed this I would trade in. Another plus would be a 36 or 40 gal tank. Yet another would be a supercharger/turbocharger or other low ambient air pressure compensation device. Other ideas, but none of the mfgs do a good job of soliciting or listening to customers IMO.
The Chevy if I had to choose between these exact four drivetrains because of the diesel having great fuel mileage. The platinum f150 power boost is what I decided to order👍
First - Great job everyone. I really like the interior of the GM and it is a capable truck. It looks great inside. But as a Wrangler Rubicon owner and someone that actually uses it, I can't imagine a super fancy interior with all the dirt and mud. If it was a long distance vehicle, or one that didn't see the elements then maybe. Otherwise I would prefer a Tundra with the cheaper price tag and cheaper interior and super capable. It's interesting that they picked the least capable most expensive Ram.
@@mguerra310 it was a higher trim package, compared to the others, so apples and oranges. Also has the lowest payload by a large margin. So a great truck (car) if you’re not going to use it for truck duties.
@@mguerra310 it is a refined interior no doubt, keep in mind, it was a higher trim package compared to the others, so really not an apple’s and oranges comparison. My issue with the Ram is that the 5.7 is lacking power compared to what’s available from the other’s, and available payload is really lacking. So if you plan on towing, not the best option, but for car like purposes, their fine.
Great Video, I would Chose the Ford especially if you would have chosen a Lariat package or up, Hopefully they find a new CEO to replace the current one and get back to building quality vehicles. Ram would be my second choice. I "used to" drive nothing but GM vehicles and I will just leave it at that, Not a fan. That being said I would choose Toyota or even Nissan over anything GM makes.
Make a reliable vehicle without all the fancy crap with a 20,000 price tag and you couldn't keep up with demand. The Ford Maverick proves this even though its reliability is a issue.
I have 2010 Toyota Tundra w/ 275k miles.. runs better now than when I bought it. These old men have no idea. I want my truck to ride like a truck not like a van. When it comes to resale values and reliability nothing beats Toyota trucks. Look it up!!
Looks wise I think the Silverado is the prettiest. The ev ram they plan on making next year does look incredible. IMHO EVs are best suited for smaller transport and not in trucks
the ford and ram ev look like familiar, normal trucks, the chevy ev looks too spaceship futuristic bs. I am a ford guy, if i buy an ev id choose the ford, but the ram is the best looking.
I love hearing regular old dudes comments on practical matters. The shift knob makes 💯 sense on freeing up space since everything is electric now and a shifter 8s total waste of space. The nice interior and tailgate just make sense as well. Truck guys love arguing over BS.
Thanks Tim. I'm looking for one. Good to get thought comparison. Some differences here are trim levels obviously. All have good and bad. I like everything about the GMC, not here, except for the gas engines that seem to be bending push rods. Reading about problems with the diesel too. I want to like the Toyota but the grill is massive and cheap, and interior isn't as functional and is also cheap looking. So I'm thinking ford then ram. I know they all seem to have problems.
All great options. I’ve owned several trucks over the years and I’m gonna say Chevy would be my pick but it isn’t the best option here. I think Ram would be the popular choice because of the ride quality and luxury. Ford would be next in line and then Tundra. I had the 22 Tundra Platinum for almost a year and I likely won’t ever want another Tundra.
@@slyatski Long front end, low seating position causing glare from hood, fit and finish was not good many warped plastic trim pieces internally and even on the plastic bed cap. Cheap plastic rear end and front end bumpers. Auto start stop always engaged when putting truck in park. Remote start shuts off as soon as doors unlocked. Back window seals pop out and side molding trim pieces on the platinum trim specifically starts to come off with that 3m tape. Center console squeaks and has crap plastic tray in the middle. Infotainment system occasionally would not work at all. Didn’t care for button arrangement inside for example auto start deactivate switch and heating steering wheel switch was located bottom left under left side steering wheel in a button cluster. Auto heating/AC climate control system was over complicated and was not ever satisfactory as far as air velocity coming through the vents. Occasionally when accelerating there would be a solid one second hesitation and so not a fan of turbos I need direct instant, confident acceleration every time all the time. Don’t get me wrong I love Toyota. Just not the new gen Tundra. I have a Silverado right now and there’s not much to complain about it. I do think I am going to snag a 5th gen 4runner before they redesign it! Old school is good. I’d recommend 2021 Tundra or older model before anything passed 2022 model year on the full sized trucks.
@@brycehammond2099 I have a 5.7 hemi ram 1500 Laramie with the sport package. It’s an incredible truck. I’ve driven in Toyota for the better part of 20 years and the new tundra is a miss. About the only thing I liked about the new tundra compared to my Ram is Toyota has a nicer steering wheel. The tundra is a few thousand dollars less in each trim and it shows for sure with squeaks in the interior and an interior design that looks like two teams worked on it but never spoke to each other. The new power train is unproven ram has its problems and a HEMI has known problems but at this point there’s probably 1 million HEMI’s on the road with mostly satisfied customers like myself. That being Ram does need to offer new powertrains as I feel like that’s the weakest part of their current offering and obviously at some point they’ll have to do a major refresh or redesign of the truck as this is it fifths model year, hardly outdated, but probably getting to the point of needing to level set with Chevy GMC and Ford
@@Ryan2022 Yes I think it looks better on the outside and isn’t flashy on the inside but simple and comfortable. The engine options are desirable and with the adaptive variable suspension option it’s a really nice ride. The biggest reason I’d choose the Silverado over the Ram is the 10 year “cost to own” it is much more affordable with the Silverado over the Ram.
Thank you guys for the review... Regarding the ford, since the trim is the heritage... The gear shift should be attached to the steering wheel as we used to see in classic cars in 80s and 70s. However, the two tones of the color is amazing. Compared to Ram and Chevy, the dimension of the ford is a little bit smaller which gives a muscle shape for Ram and Chevy. It was better if you included Sierra... It has cool features.
I can't believe how much that F150 cost. There is a dealer here that has 3 of them and they are all $65k think one is $68k. The paint scheme is hideous I think and the cloth interior and all and nearly $70k. I bought a GMC Denali Ultimate this past week and it was only $14k more and what is even stranger is its a Duramax. I am used to diesels being $10k or so more expensive and I got $1500 off for it being the Duramax. Its pearl white too that was $1100 extra had a few other things added just didn't have the supercruise that would have been $3500 more. Still has adaptive cruise but that is standard I believe with the Ultimate.
You need to correct the specs on the Ram Etorque. Its an 8 speed and the Etorque adds 130lb-ft torque so jumps to 540lb-ft compared to standard Hemi. Also Max tow jumps to 12750#
Here is the towing comparison: ruclips.net/video/D7E0xA8SFYY/видео.html
чел сделай нормально видио, оно зависает.
I'm that guy who drives around resting my palm on the shifter. It's so satisfying pulling a lever rather than rotating a dial or punching at buttons to change gears.
I recently did a Raptor wheel swap on my F-150 (w/ column shift) and love even more to have the shift paddles right at my finger tips. Have noticed I now drive more with hands at 9 & 3 instead of before kinda going one handed on the wheel.
@@ALMX5DP I drove a rental camry with paddle shifters and I developed the same habit. Now every time I drive the Stinger, I'm at 9 and 3 and constantly clicking the paddles.
@@CACressida yeah surprisingly addictive, and I think promotes good driving habits to boot. Shame the Stinger is being discontinued, it's a pretty awesome car. Keep that thing as long as you can.
I own the ram and the round dial sucks balls. I agree with how you talk about resting your hand on the old style shifter. . Lol
I think the RAM needs paddle shifters. I could live with the rotary to select D/R/N.
I looked at all of them, researched them until I reached the end of the internet. I test drove all of them and ended up buying a new Ram 1500 4x4 Bighorn (didn't want leather). This is the most loaded bighorn I have ever seen, about every option you can throw at it...I love it! It is such an awesome truck. I bought my last truck brand new, a 2001 Silverado extended cab. I still have it and not parting with it because it only has 165K miles and runs like new and still drive like new-ish. Great video, good to see real people giving their opinons
New ram🤣 you mean 14yr old ram🤣
I was between Dodge, Ford, and Toyota and went with the Tundra. The prices of Ford and Dodge are absolutely insane - they wanted $15-20k more than the tundra.
Their lots also had 50+ trucks sitting and Toyota had 6 tundras. I think they’re all awesome but the American dealerships can eat shit. Great trucks but theyre killing themselves with the markups
@@atg1338I thought ram actually has a new generation. Isn't it just the ram classic that's basically last gen?
@@tsmith4719 I'm talking drivetrain.... and it's basically looks the same for ten yrs
You did all that research then bought a RAM? We must not use the same internet...
Honestly, they are all good trucks, in my opinion it all comes down to personal preference, i don't think you can go wrong with any of those trucks.
My perfect truck would comprise of the Duramax engine, the Ram interior, the GM multiflex tailgate, GMC exterior, Ford pro onboard power in the bed and the back window of a Tundra lol
SAME!
I don't hate any of those trucks but for me It's Chevy although I wouldn't go for the High Country. I personally love my Trail Boss. It has styling off road performance and most of the comforts all around.
The other day I was on highway 77 south in south east Texas. I passed a Tundra towing a Ford, a Chevy and ram trucks. People here go up north to auctions and buy vehicles and bring em back to sell. I almost started to follow the Tundra so I could maybe buy the Tundra but then I realized I was already driving a 4runner.
My man Jim knows the deal with that step. When I was a youngster, I used to break my old man's stones about it. He's long since passed on and now I'm getting up there and feeling it. I have no doubt he's laughing at me from beyond.
Sucks getting old. LOL
Those guys lost me when they stated they liked the rotary shifter.
Nice review video but who in the world can afford an $70k+ 1/2 ton??!! And they have less payload than older trucks, it’s ridiculous!
Right?!?! I’m watching this but looking at used of all of these. I’m almost certain I’m going with the Ram and it’ll be $34k with 30k miles on it - barely broken in.
Be interesting to see which one you prefer Tim since you’ve owned 3 of the 4? But you have to take into consideration the different trim levels. Some of those trims are 10-15k higher than the others.
You had me at the very start of the video with the Ram at $78,770. That's what used to be a house. I guess Im not buyinh a new truck anytime soon. I guess I'll hold on to my 2016 F150 XLT FX4 ($36K) brand new until the wheels fall off
keep the 16.
That was a fun video Tim, great to be able to compare side by side like that. I really enjoyed your friends direct and immediate feedback from each model. These guys are obviously knowledgeable truck owners that know and use trucks. I also found it interesting, my selection/pick if you will was the same as well.
A push button shifter is one less thing to have problems with??? Umm, pretty sure you have that backwards lol
Nice vid,they all picked the most expensive truck....weird? :)
Keeping the Tundra around to have something to drive while the chev's in the shop? ;)
Different trims hurt this comparison deeply. 78k, then 68k,67k then 59k. What kind of comparison can be made?
Basically impossible to compare all the same trims for all the brands. Just doesn’t happen.
@Pickup Truck Plus SUV Talk I think it is more possible than in this video, but a good solution is to mention and explain your point in the video. Still, nice work.
Exactly! This comparison isn't a comparison at alll
I'll take the Tundra because money is an issue. Clearly has the most features and bang for your buck. Add to that, it has the best resale and reliability and IMO best looking. I do like the ride better the Ram and the more upscale interior. The looks on the Ram are great too. But the interior and ride isn't enough to sway me from the Tundra being my #1 choice.
I’m on my third Toyota truck from the 80’s SR5…2007 Tacoma..now 2020 Tundra. I waste money on extended warranty’s with Toyota. Had a Chevy and two Fords in between and had to get rid of them for all the issues and needed every bit of those extended warranty’s. The only thing that ever failed on the SR5 was the water pump at 150k. The Tacoma driver side wheel bearing at 160k. 3 yrs and 35k on the Tundra…nothing.
The Tundra is a compete redesign. Nobody knows it’s reliability rating yet airhead.
@@liamcarp7113Literally everything has been overhauled for the better. It’s best overall balance and best bang for your buck. Minor issue aside that often comes with a brand new generation, the 3rd Gen tundra is just a bulletproof as the previous gen.
@@liamcarp7113 correct...but just about every Toyota is amazing when it comes to reliability...everyone is assuming this will be no different. It's not about the truck, it's about the company that makes them...
@@liamcarp7113 they are working with the perceived reliability of the tundra, all new truck, all new problems
Get back to me when these trucks have 100,000 miles on them and talk about how many times each has been in the shop and what for. This looks like just some old guys talking about where they like the cup holders and tailgate to open to get their golf clubs in and out.
Agreed. I have a '17 Ecodiesel RAM (They've had problems with this engine) that has never been in the shop--112k miles. Fuel economy 26 round town, 27 ((at 75 moh), 31-32 when driving 60-65. Only problem--likes a new set of sneakers every 35k and diesel fuel price sucks. Very comfortable.
You got that right!
If you had a column shifter then you have the middle area free just make more column shifters that's what I want
Amen
@@googleaccount2637 bring back the good old fashioned column shifter
@@googleaccount2637 or say make the column shifters great again lol
I have a 2021 RAM Longhorn edition, and I absolutely love it. The other trucks are good, too, but the RAM takes the prize in my opinion.
I really appreciated this review - real people not industry insiders or fanboys.. for the majority of truck owners groceries, golf clubs and their kids sofa are some of the common items being "hauled" around these days. I would like to see the manufactures stop the practice of limiting access to functional features in higher trims. I want function not luxury in my truck. Being someone who tows a travel trailer across the country a couple times a year - I do not understand what's going on with CCC. If you believe what the tags tell you - not one of those trucks has enough CCC to actually tow anything close to half of its tow capacity. Seems odd that at the same time RV manufacturers are focused on making 1/2 ton towable rigs. What's going on? Can you ask your industry friends about that?
This guy is a truck salesmen. He will sit and tell you how much better one truck is then another but will pick the fallapart Ford as his favorite because it has nice seats. Even though we know ford's are unreliable. Hell this guy can't even figure out what fuel he needs in his chevy.
It comes down to more features. Automakers can’t make the truck stronger because then a half-ton moves into the 3/4 ton weight class. So, they have to keep the curb weight the same while making the chassis stronger while also accounting for more features aka weight in the truck. It is a tough balancing game.
As you saw, the Ram 1500 had the worst payload rating because it had the most features. The XLT had the best with less features and cloth seats.
@@Pickuptrucktalk I understand the argument about the segments - but there's a lack of truth in advertising (not surprising). Every year the manufacturers put out higher and higher towing capacity for the 1/2 ton segment, but in reality it can't tow that if it can't carry the hitch weight and normal size American people. I would love to see some regulation regarding advertising that requires them to actually advertise what it can tow with a default allowance of 150lbs per seating position in the vehicle plus 500lb in the bed pre-hitch. I'd like to see the RUclipsrs like yourself, TFL Truck, Truck King, etc. take them to task on a regular basis on this subject. Kind of like you did Ford on the rust. One other note .. I should be able to equip a capable 4 wheel drive with tow package and not be locked out of options for one or the other - again, I don't think the truck manufacturers understand what is going on in the RV world - overlanding, boon docking, etc. People need capable trucks to get them into remote places and back out. Appreciate your channel.
Still prefer the Ford F-150. That ProPower On Board is great for camping and for powering an RV (if you have the 7.2kW). Plus Ford gives you 12v outlets. I hate it when manufacturers stick underpowered USB ports on the vehicles without any other options. Most devices uses Quick Charge and USB-PD now, so 12v outlets are much more handy. Wish Ford can do the split tailgate and make the FX4 package a bit better (by getting rid of the front chin spoiler and actually putting a real bash plate there). I realize you can get the Tremor, but they only have that in a short bed.
Ram has 12v outlets too. Even my Dodge Durango did…
@@wickedsourmainesourdoughsh2781 I looked at the RAM when our family was car shopping. There is one 12v outlet on the dash of the vehicle. The rest of it is either an under powered AC port or under powered USB port. Same in Toyota Tundras.
Pre 2021 Toyota I would say quality is solid. New 2022 the forums speak for themselves. Spun main bearings, dashes going out and poor quality. Top it off Toyota customer service has gone down hill
Enjoyed the discussion. You can’t go wrong with any of them. Comparable trim levels would obviously have helped with the comparison. I drove all the more off road oriented models before ordering a 2023 Tremor 402A. I ranked them Ford, Ram Rebel GT, GMC AT4, Chevy Trailboss, Tundra TRD Off-road. I sure wish the F150 had the GM diesel option because that’s a fantastic engine. I really dislike the Tundra mustache. Unlike your friends I don’t care for the Ram dial shifter.
How do you like the Tremor so far? I'm looking at the F-150 Tremor (2021-2023) and would love some real world info on it. How's the gas mileage for you? How's the every day ride, if it's a daily driver? Anything you don't like after having it, even if it's not a major gripe?
Dont buy Ford. F150’s are junk. If you want a good truck and the best truck in the market get a RAM.
@@csmatrix007 I don't have it yet and as of this morning I won't be taking delivery. The monroney sticker just became available on Ford's order tracking site and there were additional deletes of standard equipment (advanced security pack, auto start/stop, heated steering wheel, bed camera). It was too much for me to stomach considering the $75k sticker (I negotiated $68k though) to take delivery. I really prefer the Ford and will wait this out awhile or consider the RAM and GMC again. Maybe @TimEsterdahl has an opinion on Ford's dismal supply chain management but it seems CEO Farley should have long since been fired. Non of the other big truck manufacturers have these deletes.
@@REBooner30 I appreciate the info. I've found a few nearby and they're still quite expensive used. Might just toss some $$ into a few repairs in our current vehicles and wait a while longer. Really like the feature sets and look of this truck tho. Thanks again.
@@csmatrix007 If you're willing to travel Granger Ford in Des Moines, IA will sell you a custom ordered truck at 3% below invoice. Ask for Chip Giles. No funny business and a great guy to work with remotely. Very responsive and big savings. *I have no interest in Granger, just a guy in CA who ordered a truck from Chip and once Ford figures its $hit out I'll order again if I can wait for that to happen.
Love and own Fords, like the new diesel and interior in the Chevy, like the turbo and hybrid powertrain in the Tundra but I think if I were going to replace my F-150 today it would likely be with the Ram with pretty well tried and true 5.7 / ZF8, and multi link rear suspension.
After twelve years, the ecoboost engines are tried and true at this point, and put out amazing real-world power. The 5.7 is underpowered, and the rear coils ruin the towing experience on the ram over around 6.5k lbs..
In my opinion, the ram is the best looking truck in the line up, but it's time to get with the times on powertrains, and suspension (ford bolted control arms with rear leafs wins over chevy stamped control arms and ram rear coils). Allison transmissions available in chevy 1500's and massive power available in Ford ecoboost engines has ram needing something more than awesome styling.
I think eventually everyone will go with coil rear suspension just a matter of time just like everyone going twin turbo v6
@@skellington2000 Yeah, the ford 5.0 in the f150 and the chevy 5.3 are also underpowered. I just responded to the original comment which suggested that the 5.7 is a great, tried and true motor when it may be tried and true, but it's not great.
At this point, if you're considering a 1/2-ton truck to pull anything of consequence, the 5.7 with rear coils just isn't a great option. Sure, the naturally aspirated, small v8's in fords and Chevys aren't good either, but at least the back ends on those don't booty shake all over the road like the coils on the rams.
People say it's subjective, and to some degree it is, but ram 1500's with the rear coils and 5.7's are really some of the worst with a 6.5k+-lb trailer behind them.
That said, from a power only perspective, the 5.0 and 5.3 are both pretty terrible compared to the ecoboosts and 6.0-6.2's, but at least the handling is there under a tow load or pay load where it's just not with those coil springs..
One more quick point: The ford 2.7 will pull significantly better than the ford 5.0 (I don't know how, but it does). And the 2.7 is a cheaper option than the 5.0. In order to get the same pulling power as a 2.7 out of a chevy or a ram, you have to pay a lot extra for the bigger engines.
@@swampgumpharpy7977 I have a 2020 RAM REBEL with 5.7 Hemi and ZF 8 speed transmission, also with 4 corner air suspension, and it pulls my 27 ft travel trailer just fine !
I’m almost 60. I’ve been driving pickups on the family Ranch since age 9 (very normal back in the day). Anyway these trucks are all absolutely amazing in comparison to the trucks of my youth.
As a matter of fact… my dad, recently passed away, pulled a 35’ fifth wheel with his 2002 Toyota Tundra!! I’m not kidding. He put airbags in the rear and sold his 1995 F-350. That 1995 Tacoma out pulled the F-350! He took that trailer to a Lake Tahoe from Victorville several times a year lol! But understand this. When he started driving, he learned in a 1946 Ford 1-ton pickup. He saw the Tundra as an amazing piece of engineering far far more capable
Than the 3/4 and 1-ton pickups he owned all the way through the mid 90’s!
Here is something to think about! Take a 1995 Ford F-350 with the diesel engine. Look at its weight, the kind of and size of brakes, at its low end torque and horsepower. Look at its 0-60 times and its stopping distance under normal load. Then look at the 2023 Ford F-150 with max trailer package. The 2023 half ton will weigh the same or just a little more than the 1995 1-ton pickup!!!!! It will have more power, better brakes and can absolute pull a 18,000 lbs trailer better than the 1-ton 1995 truck!
For me, I prefer Ford better than the Ram. I don’t care for the Rams coil springs under a load and I feel the styling is feeling dated.
IMO, column shifter still the best. You can do EVERYTHING with a column shifter that you can do with the others....AND....you can have bench seat for another person if you ever need it. AND....you still have a center console.
I am older, late 60's. Have enjoyed chevy/GMC all my life. I drove the new Tundra last Saturday. I was not impressed with the fit and finish of the trim outside the passenger windows. I thought too much plastic in console and had rattles. The motor was ok, was not hybrid. I think for 70,000 MSRP, I will keep my Yukon Denali. Toyota has to do better if they want me as a customer.
Fascinating priorities. Fuel economy, payload, and resistance to corrosion are my top three priorities, none of which appeared to even be considerations for these guys. The Ram is back of pack in all of my top categories, but from an interior, ride and driving dynamics perspective, it would be at the top.
I agree. These guys could be comparing Cadillacs instead.
My priorities are more in line with yours. I would also throw in reliability/durability and warranty as a priority since I can't afford to buy a new vehicle every few years.
That ram can’t even tow 10,000 lb, with the driver all the payload is gone
All of them are overpriced……I’ll wait until the auto dealership crashes and prices go back to normal.
They won't, prices will only go up
Only a nuke will crash their prices 🤣
You're going to be waiting a while
All way over priced
That what I though 2 years ago.
But what about the reliability of the RAM? I think the RAM is the best looking, but I see too many comments about reliability issues. I just need something that will run without issues. Can you bring some commentary on that? Thanks Tim.
The last 2 years of reliability videos I’ve done put the Ram 1500 at the top. They have turned a big corner on reliability.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Thanks Tim. Guess I'll have to re-visit my RAM dealer.
I don't know about the last year or 2 year models but I have seen lots of blown head gaskets and oil pump issues besides all the electrical issues. I have a buddy that bought one new a few years ago and a month or 2 after we got it we took a road trip up to Charlotte in it and on the way home to SC 5 hours southeast basically the headlights quit working. His stereo would quit the dealer replaced that at least once I know of. In less then 6 months it went back total piece of shit that truck was. I have seen others that had issues with the lights strobing or just quit working like his too. I really like the look of them and the interior is really nice. So I bought a Denali Ultimate lol I know one of the mechanics that used to work for us on and off was a Dodge nut. He didn't have all that much money and my next door neighbor bought a new truck so I bought his Ram from him and sold it to Vinny for $100 over what I had in it. It was a nice truck just a stripped down 2wd 4.7 but it was nice for what it was. He took my trailer when I was out of town and went to VA I guess to pick something up and blew the tires out on my trailer somehow and blew the engine up in that Ram. Then I bought another for him from a local bank that is constantly selling repos. That truck needed a new ECU in 6 months or less of him having it. Those were both 06-10 trucks but still from what I have seen I wouldn't buy one
I had a 2014 Ram for 9 years. Most reliable truck I've ever owned. I recently traded it in for a 2020 Ram 1500 4x4. The only reason for trading it in was i needed 4 wheel drive.
@@Pickuptrucktalk you’re not going to see long-term reliability issues driving a truck around for a year .Ram still has not fixed their lifter issues along with the exhaust manifold bolts breaking off.
My Rating of these four: 1) Silverado; 2) RAM; 3) Ford; 4) Tundra. Of course I like my 2023 GMC SIERRA SLT the best with the LZ0 diesel and multipro tailgate which is just as useful as RAM’s barn door arrangement. Great comparison. I wonder what the younger generation of folks would chose among the 4 trucks?
Good question. That would be interesting to get a 20 year old perspective.
My picks is
1 Ram
2 Ford
3 Gmc/Chevy
4 Toyota
If this was 2021, I would put the toyota and shift everything else down.
Toyota guy here. Have an older Tundra. My ranking would be: 1. Chevy/GMC 2. Ram 3. F150 4. Tundra
Younger guy here. My rank would be:
1) Ram
2) GM
3) Ford
4) Tundra
I could never afford these trims though, would need a base model work truck comparison.
I can relate. I didn’t buy my first new vehicle until I was 33. It was an F250 4x4 with 5 liter V8 for $14K. I just turned 70 and bought my third new vehicle.
slight correction, Tundra limited and above come with a 32 gallon tank. lower trims come with 22 gallon, but SR5 can be optioned with 32 gallon
The limited trim also has a lower payload. The SR5 typically has 1870-2000lbs and can be equipped with an air ride suspension
I have owned Ford ,gmc ,and Ram ,had problems with all of them ,never been stranded or broke down in a Toyota ,4cy or v8 .I will be buying the tundra for the long haul ! American trucks seem to be in the parts business.
It's crazy how good the fiat truck got. I agree the tundra is the best one of the bunch. I'd take a 10year old toyota over anything made today. Especially at today's stupid prices.
Ugliest truck on the road however.
Not a fair comparison. You pick the top end Ram, and the lower end Ford and Toyota. I would have love to hear their opinion if all the trucks were fully loaded.
The Ford was only an XLT trim, and I don't think these "truck guys" understood that that truck can be equipped with a step. The GM steps work very well and are always available, the Ram tailgate is the best, but it was Ford that started the tailgate feature trend.
The almighty Toyota still offers nothing in the tailgate and the rear bumper slopes at the ends so you can't step on it.
The Toyotas rear floor is not flat. I also have 2 dogs who travel with me, so I prefer the open floor in the Ford.
One of your guest truck guys didn't seem to give his wife much credit. I'm sure my wife would have more insight into what a truck is for other than lugging around golf clubs.
Yea, I don’t understand why they threw XLT “a work truck” in with these others.
Yeah exactly and Tim doesn't say anything about hey this truck can be ordered with that option also. He just lets the guys think the ram is so much better
My new, 4 week old, 23 F150 King Ranch has misaligned doors, a mediocre paint job and infotainment system issues. It was cold and rainy when I took delivery and the body/paint actually issues didn’t become obvious until a couple of weeks later when I washed it for the first time. We’ll see if Ford makes it right.
If you put in a claim with customer service they will listen to your concern. I’m satisfied how resolved my small issue.
They all have crap paint underneath the stupid clearcoat, so I don’t know why you think the Ford there’s any worse than Toyota sucks too
The “best” truck is one that’s paid for, or a company truck.
I have owned GMC (2), S10, Dodge Ram 1985, Chevy full size manual stick on the floor, a Colorado xcab 2wd and now 22 F150 XL 5.0 almost no options. I prefer a work truck profile and have liked every truck except the dodge which at the time had a ballust resistor on the dash and we know what that does!
I like the Chevy"s look with the diesel option in a LT trim as I don't need all the bells/electronics... I also like the Ram in a trim like the "Big Horn" and the V6 (3.6L) would be perfect as I don't tow much.
The old guys are right on about the shifter.
I have a Tundra Capstone.
Chevy would be my first choice,,,, if only,, they could work a little bit on their reliability. Chevy has just the right touch inside and outside in my eyes.
There are millions of Chevy truck owners who have zero problems. The ones that do have problems are always going to post on the Internet.
I own the 2022 tundra. I don't care for the styling of the bumpers. The front is too low. The grill is to big and the difficulty getting in the box is annoying. I purchased for the expected reliability and resale value. Time will tell. I love the looks on the GMC in and out but I can't trust a gm product I had to many issues with them in the past.
Agree but the Ram rides like a mercedes and has an interior as good as one too.
Column shift, V8, no auto start/stop, no cylinder deactivation, made in the USA, Titan ftw.
Do you have a titan ? How long are they reliable
@@sranney1 i traded my frontier pro4x 178k miles for a van , for space, now i am looking back to get also a truck and probably a titan this time. I do not trust all the tech from those trucks, I am not getting a truck for this lol
I don’t think the comparison was fair to Ford as it wasn’t as high end of trim level as the rest. If you had of compared fords lariat or higher I feel it would have been more fair. I’m saying this from being a Chevy guy who recently switched to a ford f150 tremor 402A package.
Good video Tim. When comparing prices and details why doesn’t any you tuber compare equivalent Trim levels. If you’re going to compare tailgates have the manufactures optional step on every model
I’m a Ram guy and if money was no object, would probably go Ram. But value, it’s hard to go against the Toyota. It’s 10k less than the others, has similar if not better features and in theory, they should last. Yeah it’s not as nice looking but that’s a big price difference.
Things to consider about the TUNDRA. No recovery hooks, no AWD (all wheel drive), no step up bumper, no rear flat floor, poor seat construction (weak plastic trim front seats), narrow visibility between rear view mirror and the entertainment screen, very poor interior/exterior night light visibility except for the highest trim levels.
@@NMTRUCKER still best value though. The under-seat storage is massive
@@NMTRUCKER all good points.
@@NMTRUCKER
I'm sitting in my '22 right now....the 14" screen in no way impacts vision.
Some pictures and video angles make it look like its sticking way above the dash,its less then an inch and level with the gauge cluster pod
@@ravensfootball52 Except if you get the hybrid. I had an deposit down on a 1794 but after 61/2 months of waiting for an allocation I gave up and bought the 2023 GMC.
I love my Multi tale gate on my 22 GMC. I have the 5.3 sometimes I wonder if I should have gotten the Diesel. Time will tell nice job fellas
For sure the 3.0 is amazing.
F150 has the storage under the seat, accessible throught the driver's side back door.
Yea that guy that complained isn’t very bright..
I don’t know that push button reduces problems just different,but i like it more
One thing that is not mentioned, the dependability of each truck! I'm not a truck guy, but interesting. I recently bought the Lexus LC500 as my retirement car.
Just a few updates, especially tailgate wise, and that Tundra can be a real winner. Hopefully Toyota does something useful for the refresh.
This was a great comparison, and really enjoyed the old hats as well. Thanks for creating this one!
Smart money says to buy the Tundra for long term reliability, but I really really like every Ram I see around town. Don’t really like the look of the Tundra as much.
The new plant in Warren has the qc very much better look at the video.
I can't really comment on the brand new models, i have a 21 ram bighorn midnight edition, i have driven the 21 ford f150's and the 21 gmc truck, and by far the nicest looking, riding and handling truck out of the three is the ram.
From my comparisons on all these trucks. I’ve concluded for mild to medium towing. The Toyota is the best bang for the buck. With standard features and added accessories. Payload , mpg, torque, storage, upgraded amenities etc. and of course price. Looks go to the Ram. Ford last in looks
The Toyota is terrible. Fell short in all categories and looks.
Just wait till Toyota takes away some of those options you paid for when buying your truck. And then tells you that you have to pay for a subscription for heated seats🤨
@@jmjm3543 not gonna happen
@@wint_62 I like the looks. Subjective. Fords look like toy trucks. Shoeboxes with wheels
Tundra is the peoples' favorite. Has the most replayed part of the video.
they want to see if the engine blows up.
On the Chevy be careful stepping into the bed with the tailgate down.
On my hd with the tail gate down, I cracked the tail lamp housing using the step facing the rear of the truck and tried to swing my left leg over. Use the step facing the side aka rear fender, what ever you want to call it. It Will keep you from kneeing your tail lamp into oblivion. Lol
I’m just used to using the bumper out of habit on older trucks. Could of used that for gas 😅
Hey cool video. Enjoyed the comparison. If im driving one home…..im definitely taking the f150 hands down. From my experience 3.5 ecoboost outperforms all 3 of the others. I could care less about all the fancy electronic bells/whistles, i do like better materials inside but am totally ok with cloth. I prefer the cable actuated shifter like in the ford over all these drive by wire shifter knobs. Plus so many trims/equipment groups to choose from, i say ford is most versatile and best bang for the buck…..and…im a superduty owner lol
Hope the 3.5 doesn't have as much problems as mine did. I'd take reliability over performance anyday. The ford is definitely last in reliability
@@fireant1272 Thats not true about Ford. You can not find any research that backs that up.
@@kona6451 my personal experience, along with data collected from thousands of truck owners Fords have been the least reliable brand as of lately. Ram and Toyota are the most reliable.
@@kona6451 aloha from the big island.
@@fireant1272 The Toyota is having it's share of problems with the 3.5 engine. It's reliability is riding on the coattails of the 80s cars. I use to be a Toyota mechanic in the 90s and lets just say we were always busy. I owned a Toyota truck that I bought new in 91. Was it a good truck? sure. Was it as good as the f150s I've owned? Nope. Never cracked open an engine or transmission on any Ford I've ever owned, can't say that about my Toyota.
Great video showing regular pick up guys making comments.👍👍 Interesting to hear these guys choosing RAM and/ or Chevy because multi-tailgate and interior comfort...Hey Toyota..hellooo!
Not a fancy interior or gadget guy. Tundra for sure. I don’t like to get new trucks every 3-4 years, and that Tundra is in a class by itself when it comes to reliability.
Wrong. This isn’t the old tundra with the V8 so it isn’t reliable
@@tboe-cr8pz and your evidence to prove this?
@@wizzle9306 Motortrend recently reviewed the Toyota truck and they said they were shocked by the quality lapses. Misaligned and disappearing trim, rattles and more. Perhaps a first year issue.
@@BobPritchard 1st year COVID trucks I suppose will all have something going on. I appreciate you backing a claim with actual information
Wish they would turn on the trucks to see the whole instrument panel illumination on all trucks.
The only fair way to compare value is by comparing vehicles with similar price points. If you are comparing bells and whistles, try top trim levels OF THE SAME YEAR... For my next video, I'll be comparing a 2016 Laramie vs all other brand new trucks.
Great video. I liked you having two normal guys in the video and getting their input. I'd obviously have to drive all 4 to really make a decision but by the video I like the interior of the Toyota the least although I did like the storage under the rear seat. Love the Rams tailgate and I like the Tam boxes also. I'd love to take the Ram and drop the Chevy's 3.0 Duramax in it or even drop the Ford 3.5 EcoBoost in it. Probably be the perfect truck. Love the Hemi sound but its out powered here and has the worst real world fuel economy.
I'd take the reliability of the ram over the 3.5. My 3.5 f150 had so many problems. They actually both got about the same fuel mileage.
My only issue with this comparison and as a 2023 F150 Platinum owner, you compared a relatively base F150 with higher trimmed trucks. Perhaps the F150 would have faired better if it were a Lariat. Other than that, it’s a good video with real world owners. Also, these reviewer were older retirees. They seemed very concerned with luxury and comfort. The younger generations might have different priorities. I’m not quite retired but I have similar priorities as these guys. All in all, I enjoyed this video.
That base trim ford costs about the same as the high country Silverado
Guy trashed the Tundra so hard before he even got to reviewing it lol.
Yeah, he said "I love Toyotas. My wife and I have had them for 40 years. I just wish they would do something about the interior" --- man, so brutal. Just brutal.
I find it really interesting how much they liked the dial shifter on the Ram. Looks like the ergonomics/engineers were right on that call.
I'd go Ram but I'm biased. I liked Dodge back when it was unpopular.
I was very surprised to hear that. I would have thought these would be guys, similar to the ones in the comment section, that say they don’t want nothing fancy in their truck.
@@elliottmanning4116 I swear I think those are the Gen Z crowd with dreams of Romantic Rusticisms in their heads that say that.
I have a 2021 Ram Warlock. I wish it had a conventional column shifter. I’m afraid I’m gonna throw my truck into park reaching for air conditioning knobs.
@@theirthereandtheyre2947 Most of these electronic shifters have a lockout feature, so your unable to put the vehicle in park once its going above a certain speed, like 5 mph.
I prefer column the most, but of the other options the dial is probably the best option.
If I were in the market today, it would be either a ram or GMC
I'll agree that, if you're going to go 100% electronic, the "dial-a-gear" setup is far superior to having a lever that serves no purpose aside from being "familiar." Having said that I'd still take an old-school mechanical shifter any day of the week. Zero feedback when you shift gears makes me really uncomfortable.
tbr2109............"ZERO feedback when you shift gears"! My 2020 Ram Rebel with Rotary shifter has detents when rotating the knob. Also full turn left is "PARK", and dull turn to the eight is "DRIVE", which is no different than a column shifter!
I disagree, I like the look and I also like being able to change gears without looking which is super handy for city parking
Co worker of mine had a 1500 and was stranded in the parking lot. Due to not shifting out of park. Towed to the dealership and found that the dial was defective.
kind of the same as 4x4 knobs.. people love it on the floor but lots of those levers you think are actually mechanical are just electronic anyway... you nailed it, the gearshift is just familliar.
Dial shifter is better no questions. People who refer to stick shifter as old-school probably don't know how to drive a manual or understand how dumb of an argument that is.
Tim this Comparison of the limited RAM and the XLT Ford was unfair. It should have been the Ford Limited against the ram limited would be a even comparison.
If I had a choice in trims, I certainly would have picked one that were closer.
No mention I heard of the RAM's back seat cubbys or the air suspension or the RAMBox option which I have found very handy. Limited has heated and ventilated seats front and back. A lot more not mentioned. Biggest issue for me is the 4 Star crash rating they haven't fixed since 2019!!! IF they fixed this I would trade in. Another plus would be a 36 or 40 gal tank. Yet another would be a supercharger/turbocharger or other low ambient air pressure compensation device. Other ideas, but none of the mfgs do a good job of soliciting or listening to customers IMO.
The Chevy if I had to choose between these exact four drivetrains because of the diesel having great fuel mileage.
The platinum f150 power boost is what I decided to order👍
F150 with the 36 gallon tank will get you there!
I would get the Titan lol the only one not there. Love this comparison, I would love to see a base or mid trim comparison sometime.
Titan lots of fit and finish issues. its cheap and rides like its priced.
First - Great job everyone. I really like the interior of the GM and it is a capable truck. It looks great inside. But as a Wrangler Rubicon owner and someone that actually uses it, I can't imagine a super fancy interior with all the dirt and mud. If it was a long distance vehicle, or one that didn't see the elements then maybe. Otherwise I would prefer a Tundra with the cheaper price tag and cheaper interior and super capable. It's interesting that they picked the least capable most expensive Ram.
Well the RAM is a superior truck compared to all the others. It really isn’t even close.
@@mguerra310 it was a higher trim package, compared to the others, so apples and oranges. Also has the lowest payload by a large margin. So a great truck (car) if you’re not going to use it for truck duties.
@@stang-rv4pb less payload because it has a more refined interior. The fact is the RAM is the best
@@mguerra310 it is a refined interior no doubt, keep in mind, it was a higher trim package compared to the others, so really not an apple’s and oranges comparison. My issue with the Ram is that the 5.7 is lacking power compared to what’s available from the other’s, and available payload is really lacking. So if you plan on towing, not the best option, but for car like purposes, their fine.
@@stang-rv4pb exactly it was a higher trim which means more options which means less payload. Thats with all trucks. Just use a power wagon
All very capable. Get what looks best to you.
Ford has a trim with leather seats and heated and cooled in the rear. With a button controlled rear window
Thanks for another great video Tim !
My pleasure!!
Ram, Chevy, and Tundra are all higher trim levels while the Ford is an XLT. It’s not a fair comparison interior wise
Puzzled why the Ford payload is nearly 150lbs lower than my highly optioned 21 xlt.
Probably has a couple different features or maybe 2022 models have reworked payload capacities.
Does yours have the same engine and a panoramic roof?
Great Video, I would Chose the Ford especially if you would have chosen a Lariat package or up, Hopefully they find a new CEO to replace the current one and get back to building quality vehicles. Ram would be my second choice. I "used to" drive nothing but GM vehicles and I will just leave it at that, Not a fan. That being said I would choose Toyota or even Nissan over anything GM makes.
I have owned four Rams, be careful with that dial shifter. It very easily rebounds to reverse unless you're gentle with it
Groceries and golf clubs?! What the hell are people buying trucks for? I’ll take my XD over any of these.
A lot of minivans have more than 1256lbs of payload.
Which minivans?
Make a reliable vehicle without all the fancy crap with a 20,000 price tag and you couldn't keep up with demand. The Ford Maverick proves this even though its reliability is a issue.
I have 2010 Toyota Tundra w/ 275k miles.. runs better now than when I bought it. These old men have no idea. I want my truck to ride like a truck not like a van. When it comes to resale values and reliability nothing beats Toyota trucks. Look it up!!
Looks wise I think the Silverado is the prettiest. The ev ram they plan on making next year does look incredible. IMHO EVs are best suited for smaller transport and not in trucks
the ford and ram ev look like familiar, normal trucks, the chevy ev looks too spaceship futuristic bs. I am a ford guy, if i buy an ev id choose the ford, but the ram is the best looking.
The tundra obviously makes the most sense from everything from price and reliability
I love hearing regular old dudes comments on practical matters. The shift knob makes 💯 sense on freeing up space since everything is electric now and a shifter 8s total waste of space. The nice interior and tailgate just make sense as well. Truck guys love arguing over BS.
Thanks Tim. I'm looking for one. Good to get thought comparison. Some differences here are trim levels obviously. All have good and bad. I like everything about the GMC, not here, except for the gas engines that seem to be bending push rods. Reading about problems with the diesel too. I want to like the Toyota but the grill is massive and cheap, and interior isn't as functional and is also cheap looking. So I'm thinking ford then ram. I know they all seem to have problems.
interesting I got a ram 2019 I took it in for manifold been bad at 50k had it fix for free other than that it's a beast v8 spacious and comfortable
Great video, Tim! #1- Chevy, #2- Ram, #3 Ford and Toyota #4.
I used to be a Ford guy but now a Toyota guy, however, always love the 2022-2024 f-150
I really enjoyed this episode you need to do it more with either these guys or other people points of view
I agree
All great options. I’ve owned several trucks over the years and I’m gonna say Chevy would be my pick but it isn’t the best option here. I think Ram would be the popular choice because of the ride quality and luxury. Ford would be next in line and then Tundra. I had the 22 Tundra Platinum for almost a year and I likely won’t ever want another Tundra.
Get a 5.7 lmaoooo
@@slyatski Long front end, low seating position causing glare from hood, fit and finish was not good many warped plastic trim pieces internally and even on the plastic bed cap. Cheap plastic rear end and front end bumpers. Auto start stop always engaged when putting truck in park. Remote start shuts off as soon as doors unlocked. Back window seals pop out and side molding trim pieces on the platinum trim specifically starts to come off with that 3m tape. Center console squeaks and has crap plastic tray in the middle. Infotainment system occasionally would not work at all. Didn’t care for button arrangement inside for example auto start deactivate switch and heating steering wheel switch was located bottom left under left side steering wheel in a button cluster. Auto heating/AC climate control system was over complicated and was not ever satisfactory as far as air velocity coming through the vents. Occasionally when accelerating there would be a solid one second hesitation and so not a fan of turbos I need direct instant, confident acceleration every time all the time. Don’t get me wrong I love Toyota. Just not the new gen Tundra. I have a Silverado right now and there’s not much to complain about it. I do think I am going to snag a 5th gen 4runner before they redesign it! Old school is good. I’d recommend 2021 Tundra or older model before anything passed 2022 model year on the full sized trucks.
@@brycehammond2099 I have a 5.7 hemi ram 1500 Laramie with the sport package. It’s an incredible truck. I’ve driven in Toyota for the better part of 20 years and the new tundra is a miss. About the only thing I liked about the new tundra compared to my Ram is Toyota has a nicer steering wheel. The tundra is a few thousand dollars less in each trim and it shows for sure with squeaks in the interior and an interior design that looks like two teams worked on it but never spoke to each other. The new power train is unproven ram has its problems and a HEMI has known problems but at this point there’s probably 1 million HEMI’s on the road with mostly satisfied customers like myself. That being Ram does need to offer new powertrains as I feel like that’s the weakest part of their current offering and obviously at some point they’ll have to do a major refresh or redesign of the truck as this is it fifths model year, hardly outdated, but probably getting to the point of needing to level set with Chevy GMC and Ford
@@josephkraft5640 please let me know if you think the new high country is better than what ram is offering now if you have any insights.
@@Ryan2022 Yes I think it looks better on the outside and isn’t flashy on the inside but simple and comfortable. The engine options are desirable and with the adaptive variable suspension option it’s a really nice ride. The biggest reason I’d choose the Silverado over the Ram is the 10 year “cost to own” it is much more affordable with the Silverado over the Ram.
Thank you guys for the review... Regarding the ford, since the trim is the heritage... The gear shift should be attached to the steering wheel as we used to see in classic cars in 80s and 70s. However, the two tones of the color is amazing. Compared to Ram and Chevy, the dimension of the ford is a little bit smaller which gives a muscle shape for Ram and Chevy. It was better if you included Sierra... It has cool features.
I can't believe how much that F150 cost. There is a dealer here that has 3 of them and they are all $65k think one is $68k. The paint scheme is hideous I think and the cloth interior and all and nearly $70k. I bought a GMC Denali Ultimate this past week and it was only $14k more and what is even stranger is its a Duramax. I am used to diesels being $10k or so more expensive and I got $1500 off for it being the Duramax. Its pearl white too that was $1100 extra had a few other things added just didn't have the supercruise that would have been $3500 more. Still has adaptive cruise but that is standard I believe with the Ultimate.
i love how your mics go from echoing due to being so close together and the noise gate being so high to I can barely hear you
Interesting out of hundreds of comments only one person had an issue with the audio.
They're all nice these days. Good video, thanks!
Chevy should have left the column shifter on their trucks.
They do on HD trucks.
You need to correct the specs on the Ram Etorque. Its an 8 speed and the Etorque adds 130lb-ft torque so jumps to 540lb-ft compared to standard Hemi. Also Max tow jumps to 12750#
Etorque is just that, it adds torque, no horsepower increase
@@paulhunter9613 yep