Nissan trucks are underrated in my opinion. After several Ford trucks that gave me exceptional service my last one being a 2002, I bought a Nissan Titan Pro 4X 2023. The engine does not have cylinder deactivation or stop/start. The 9 speed works great. I love it! The big discount I got off sticker was the final deciding factor in the purchase and then they financed it a 0%. It's a win!
I have to agree with you. I’m 60 so I’ve owned a lot of vehicles. Nine were Nissan, most were purchased new and all were much more reliable than any other brand I’ve owned. For 2023, the great exterior looks and upscale interiors of the Ram Long Horn and Limited have my attention. They make all other trucks look plain or even ugly, in comparison IMO. But my practical side is warning me that I might be sorry if I let my eyes make this purchase decision, rather than my decades of ownership experience. The Titan is not the best looking but the 2004 and 2017 Titans I owned, both served me beyond expectations.
Agreed. Titans are super underrated, I have a 2020 pro4x myself. With that said, I wouldn't buy any other Nissan vehicle lol. They got their trucks right but that's about it.
They last 20 years, But those are the ones built 20 years ago. My 2001 Chevy Suburban has 320K miles on it and doesn't even use a drop of oil on long trips. It's 12 years old, so why can't they make a truck that lasts that long now????? It's partly because government tries to be their partner. I don't want a new truck and I'd buy an old one if I needed one!!!!
My old 2015 Ram 5.7L Hemi has 230K miles and I've never had a problem other than the fair wear n tear (brakes, tires, lightbulbs, etc). I hauled plenty of loads and worked it hard. Gave it to my daughter and bought a 2023 Ram 5.7L Hemi. Love these trucks and they've better than I expected.
I was looking at a new Ram but then I kept on seeing reliability issues so I was looking into Tundras. Hearing Rams have been really good the past few years is welcome news
@@knoxcreole. I've had a 17, 19,2023 I never had a issue with anything to be honest engine and tranny are great for sure I enjoy the interior also good value
And Eureka that was a full redesign bottom up first year model. I have the identical experience with no recalls in 3 years and only one under warranty service for the wiper motor park switch, full disclosure my drive shaft is clunking the bit cuz it needs to be lubricated but it drives like new with almost 100,000 miles
Trucks being between $60-80k made me look long and hard. The Titan reserve for around $60k with a standard 5yr 100,000 mile warranty vs the 3/36 from everyone else sold me. Best truck I've ever had!
My pick truck is a dodge ram, 4X4 1997 with over 200k and runs fine. Body is good (driven in Michigan since new, even through all the winters and salt). I have had it rust inhibitor sprayed on it most years since 2003.
I just talked with a mechanic and he said they see rams all the time with issues so i dont think i believe ram is number 1. Lots of used Rams for resale on the market and this is the second mechanic who has said to stay away from Ram. Both have worked on them for years.
Oil pressure fluctuations concerned me on my GMC 2.7 turbo until I found out that it has a variable oil pump that supplies oil on demand and it varies the pressure.
'03 F150 5.4L. 218K. Biggest issue was I had to have the rear diff rebuilt at 212k. Lots of landscaping and pulling a TT took its toll. Intake had to be replaced at 195k due to a leak. Upper ball joints about the same time. Other than those issues, nothing major. Oil changes religiously at every 5k. Fuel filters every third oil change. Changes the plugs at 105k. If the wheels ever fall off, I'll weld them back on and keep on truckin.
I'm as big of a Ram fanboy as they come, and yes Ram's use of a single upgrade engine(and getting rid of the diesel) plus the bulletproof 8HP transmission helps tremendously.(this is true of Nissan using the equally reliable Endurance 5.6 as the single engine). But with Ford offering 7 engines, 3 cab configurations, several layers of electronic options, etc, they're going to have higher exposure to issues, plus they sell an extraordinary amount of trucks.(supplier issues likely contributed to their issues as well). I can also see why the Tundra's numbers were depressed because so many owners of '07-'21 trucks upgraded from the most reliable vehicle since a GM 3800 and expected the same. But that isn't the case judging from the Tundra forums. (Chevy using the 2.7/5.3/6.2/3.0Dmax also likely depressed their ratings). I'm curious on long-term reliability of the Lightning. Ford already has a stop sale and production halt in place because of battery issues. They've also announced a new battery and propulsion system for the 2024 m/y. The R1T is likely lower for many reasons. It has far more moving parts than the Ford(air suspension, power retractable tonneau, the pass through on in the bed, etc) plus so many of its electronics are proprietary and not shared.
When I was a young 'whipper-schnapper' the first vehicle I purchased new was a 1992 Chevy K-Blazer (renamed Tahoe a couple of years later), that thing was an absolute POS! Theoretically, I should have stayed away from GM for years to come...but, my 2000 Silverado, 2003 Suburban, 2007 Silverado HD and 2015 Suburban have all had stellar reliability (maybe just luck). Just this weekend, I ordered the replacement for our 2015 Suburban, a 2024 GMC Sierra Denali 3500HD...I am hopeful that it will be just as reliable as my GM's have been since 2000.
@Mikenb11 _ - The old (pre-1990) GM trucks and SUVs were like driving jello on wheels. Not good at all. The small SUVs like the new Blazer were better but didn't get very good gas mileage and the 4WDs would slip into 4-hi while going down the freeway causing the transmissions and transfer cases to burst into flames. The cars weren't bad but the trucks and SUVs were horrible.
2018 I purchased fifth generation ram, 1500 black appearance package, off-road package, 5.7 hemi. 70,000 miles today I still have the truck zero issues. Still has the same oil pressure as it did when it was brand new. I traded a brand new Ford 2016 eco-boost for the ram. Then I traded a 2015 GMC sierra for the Ford I’m very happy with the ram. I’ve been thinking about looking into the new Colorado or the GMC canyon. I was wondering what the gas mileage would be in ..they fix the eight speed automatic I heard there were some issues.
I have to admit I was surprised at the RAM. I know they scored tops last year. I chalked it up to "blind squirrel finds nut". I didn't think they'd repeat tbh. Good information to know.
When you were talking about volume players, around minute 8:20... that's the problem with the way the rating is done. It should not be number of issues, it should be number of issues per vehicles sold for that model year. Otherwise, I appreciate the comparison and explanations! I agree that Consumer Reports picks brands that they like and trashes ones that they don't. I don't trust their testing methods. They are wholly inadequate.
Just bought one of the last new 2024 Ram 1500s today. Tradesman 4x4 crew cab with the pentastar v6 for $37k. Was looking at used but it was too good of a price to pass up. Lowest I found anywhere and there was only one left. Such a comfortable truck to drive and I think I’m going to be very happy with it. I’m glad they’re up at the top of reliability now since I plan to keep it forever.
I know fleet owners with over 500k km on their 3rd gen Hemi's, 2014 I believe. They buy them every year and swear they are the best. I think people on the internet and the court of public opinion, with their brand bias, should not be listened to. I've had great luck with my 2018 Ram 1500 Hemi I bought from new. 87k miles and I've had to replace 2 exhaust manifolds (single broken bolt on each due to warping), 2 front wheel bearings (1 failed, replaced the pair) and the uconnect digitizer, along with brakes and fluid changes. Oh also sway bar end links and bushings. I consider this quite good compared to other vehicles I've owned. Ball joints and shocks remain original. Pretty darn good!
I have Ram 1500 4x4 with 144k no issues Really runs like great! Kaveri maintained it great, only compliant is sometimes the 8 speed necks at low speeds.
I totally agree, Tim! I bought a 19' RAM 1500 Laramie new in summer of 2018; Fully loaded. It was $43k. Now, the same truck five years later is almost $78k, and it has been de-spec'd so much that it barely resembles the same truck. I am so happy I jumped from GM back in 19' and bought me a Chrysler truck haha. I will never go back to GM now. RAM has won my heart and wallet.
I owned a 2014 Ram Sport and a 2020 Ram Rebel, loved both trucks, transmissions felt bulletproof but both had the hemi tick that drove me crazy. So now back in Silverado with no issues.
It’s interesting that Consumer Reports isn’t putting Toyota at the top. They used to recommend Toyotas for every car and truck category pretty much. Ford needs to learn from Toyota and get their trucks more reliable by focusing on quality and reliability, instead of constantly changing them every year. They just keep digging their own hole deeper!
That's because Toyota is a very conservative company and they unlike other automakers don't do complete redesigns every few years. Instead, they do small refreshes and incremental changes to work out the bugs in their models. Look at both the Tundra and Tacoma, around for a long time with a refresh here and there till finally last year they gave into the pressure and had to a redesign for the Tundra.
I have to agree that RAM has been doing some serious upgrades over the past 3-4 years, and the reliability has gone skywards! I have a 2020 RAM REBEL with Hemi that is now 3 years old with 50 + k miles, and it's never been back to the dealers only once for a recall, and that was for the tailgate. Mine was fine, and didn't need any adjustment or fixing.
Shouldn't have any problems until 100k miles and no major issues until 150k miles plus. Vehicles are garbage now. Timing chains go, transmissions fail, engines blowing up, all before 100k
With my 2022 f150 transmission problems started after 6000 kms. 4 appointments in a year - not fixed yet. On top of that my 3rd brake light cracked after winter, and now moisture in a front fog light. Also 2 recalls. Basically with service appointments my truck was in a shop 9 times in one year ( 13 month to be exact) - pretty much every month. 35k kms Built tough - LOL @@alexdetagxi8148
I had my 2019 5th gen Ram 1500, with the 5.7 hemi under the hood. The truck is solid with 40k on the odometer. However I fear future Rams Wont have the hemi under the hood starting in 2024. The new Hurricane Turbo in line 6 replacing the hemi may be a problem. The MPGs gain is very minimal, nothing beats the the 5.7 hemi.
My historical observations about Toyota are that they are generally a very reliable vehicle (I've owned several) and actually stand behind what they sell when problems arise. I've never owned a Dodge vehicle myself but I've known a few Dodge pick-up owners over the years and most of them, after the vehicle reaches a certain age, spend more time under them than in them.
So in November of 2022 CR said No Longer Recommended to buy for the 2023 Tundra and now 3 months later CR says it's ranked 2nd in predicted reliability?
I’m a Toyota guy and have been for a long time , I do own a 2021 Tacoma 4x4 off road in a automatic and do love it and never going to get rid of it , BUT if I were to buy a 1/2 ton truck today hands down it would be the ram no questions asked I can’t stand the new tundra the looks or that turbo/ hybrid system they have in there & not a fan of ford or GM these days at all . Ram would be my go to full size truck !
From reading all the comments one thing is obvious. There is not one clear winner everyone agrees on. Every manufacturer has its pros and cons. They are all overly expensive and are not getting cheaper. Also V8s are going away and turbo 6cyl are taking over. I went with a ‘23 tundra in January and absolutely love it. I’ve had a ‘18 Silverado that was plagued with issues. Co-worker has a ram TRX that spends more time at the dealership then the road. There’s good vehicles and bad ones. Just a toss up whether you get lucky or not.
You have to go back 10-20 years to prove reliability. The biggest problem is electronics now a days. Remember back in 2008-9, GM had a hybrid truck, with rear wheel steering available. They didn’t sell, but were not available at dealers. I wonder how reliable they were?
$70,000-$100,000 trucks They didn’t workout the bugs for ecodiesel. Hemi Tick. Ford issue is cam phasers 3.5. GM issue cylinder deactivation. Known issues for years with all big 3. Ford knows how to market their vehicles better than any manufacturer!
@@tylerbuck9347 Yes, that’s correct. Both personal and leased trucks; my brother and I own an open pit mine and quarry and a mechanical engineering consulting business for 45 yrs. Between the two sites and our engineering firm we use considerable half tons along with our heavy equipment.
Most reliable 2023?? In my opinion, you can't measure reliability for at least ten years! Let me know what the most reliable truck is 20 years out, and then I will know what truck to buy.
great video. My qquestion would be reliability of the Duramax 3.0. Lifter problems are in the 5.3 and 6.2 but what problems are they having with the 3.0 diesel. Ford seems to be having 10 speed trans issues. i wish they would break down each motor and trans combination.
Trucks are costing over $55K problems should be minimal. Not sure I trust Consumers Reports as i would have some years back. For that matter not sure what media source to trust anymore. But enjoy your channel.
I have a 2014 5.7 1500...it has been absolutely bulletproof. It is 10 years old and with 0 issues so I really have no reason to sell it. Speaking about buying 1st year vehicles...asked the Tundra buyers how happy they are with those heaps! Lets see Tundra issues: failed exhaust manifold, failed oxygen sensor, faulty fuel pump, failed air injection pump etc 🤣🤣🤣
@@Outsider.Reviews cause really GM and Chevy are having a lot of breakdown issues overall. But Ford recalls were all there vehicles. Not just trucks. That’s why I dropped GM a few years back. I had enough and was a GM guy.
@@ramrider1453 I am wondering how the duramax is compared to gas engine sierra. I like that they separated the lightning from the Powerboost and the gas engine, they should do that with the diesel and gas engines too
Thanks for the info! It would be awesome to see a deep dive into how Consumer Reports, JD Power, etc. actually calculate their dependability/reliability metrics. As you importantly noted with regard to smaller output vehicles such as the Tundra and Titan, are there appropriate statistical adjustments made to compare those to the larger players, or are they failing to actually compare apples to apples?
Yeah I would like to know about the questionaire, how many owners contacted per vehicle, length of ownership, model and mileage. And do they ask original owners from models that are older like 2018 to see how satisfied they are? Enquiring minds want to know! 😁
Consumer Reports and JD Power are completely different animals. CR is only compiling and reporting the data they're getting back from owner's surveys. If the owners lie or exaggerate on the surveys, there's nothing they can do about that.
From what I could locate online, it appears the JD Power Durability Study is an ownership survey. So wouldn't your concern over surveys from Consumer Reports hold true for JD Power as well?
Consumer Reports gave Ford a high ranking when they released the 6.4 super duty diesel. 😂 we all know how terrible that motor was along with the 6.0. I had both it financially hurt me. The only truck that was reliable for me was the 2010 raptor as you can see in my picture. 200k on the clock and still runs good, last ford I will ever own, will never purchase a FORD again.
Yes, I remember how Ford swore up and down that they had fixed the issues when the 6.4 replaced the 6.0. My Dad paid the price, by my estimate, he put at least $10k into his F350 to keep it runnin'. Thankfully they came out with the 6.7, which while not flawless, was a huge improvement over the 6.0/6.4. My Dad followed up his F350 by purchasing a Ford/Winnebago Class C, the engine (6.8 V10) then blew up and had to be completely replaced at around 60k. I'm not anti-Ford actually, I still give them a look every time I have to replace my truck(s), but I have still never bought one. I had one Ford car that didn't have a single problem over the 75k that I owned it.
@mikenb11_51 my car's a 2011 ford fusion, 2.5l 4 banger 171k miles so far of no problems ( but something in the front creaks when i steer or go over a bump )
I am 60 and have owned a lot of vehicles, especially after getting married, lol. I will be buying a new truck this year and really do not want another Big 3 vehicle, although the Fords have been much better than the Chev/GM, or Dodge Ram. I will be getting a Toyota Tundra. Probably the Crewmax SR5 L.
Weird, several of my friends drive Ford diesels and they all have problems with glow plug controllers. one gave up after replacing it several times and just plugs his truck in every night.
There seems to be a massive gap in reporting on reliability. CR doesn’t give enough detail on problems, and their entire site seems so skin-deep. Some of these other sites seemed promising but actual penetration into the market seems so low, like carcomplaints, just seems like no one is using it at this point to report issues. I don’t know what the solve is, but it’s tremendously frustrating as a consumer. I have an f150 with 20k miles and a failing transmission and I’d like info on what to do and what else I could buy that might be reliable, but the information is as unreliable as the trucks it seems.
I would toss in some caution wrt car complaints website. I checked for my 2020 Silverado 3500. It doesn't list many, but it lists the same DEF problem multiple times and under multiple categories even though it was only 1 problem. This listing problem artificially inflates the displayed data graphs, yielding them completely useless as there is no way of knowing how systemic the false accounting data exists.
Currently don't want to trade in my Ram because it's been so reliable and everything else isn't 😂 I can pay more and upgrade but I'm happy so far and curious if I can hit the 100,000 miles with no issues im 25,000 miles away
You will. My 12 ram has been bulletproof up until recently at 240k miles. It’s still running but recently developed a cylinder 7 misfire that I haven’t figured out yet and exhaust leak
@@HomeGrownPyro1 ohh I know that will eventually happen but if my truck makes it to a certain point I'll spend the money to get the lifters replaced I've spent 0 on it so far $3500 for lifters would be worth it truck has no rust everything is tight no rattles I'm happy so far
I am a former Ram owner. In my experience, Rams have good engines but an inferior body construction. Older trucks will have electrical and seal problems. They might be a good choice if you want to work the truck hard and sell after a few years. But if you want to keep the truck for 10-15 years, I would recommend going with another brand.
Is there anything showing reliability / problems as a percentage of overall volume? I'm not sure comparing raw numbers across brands makes sense unless I'm missing something. For example - if you sell 30k vehicles and there's 100 problems, that doesn't compare to selling 120k vehicles with 100 problems.
@@Pickuptrucktalk I really like your videos - very practical. I think it would be valuable to the consumer to get a normalized look at all the brands and their real reliability/problems. It wouldn't be that hard to do I'm thinking. Just use the complaint numbers on the website you showed us as the numerator and unit sales as the denominator.
I have a 2010 F150 Platinum with the 5.4L Triton V8. I have owned it since it was new and ALWAYS changed the oil every 3,000 miles with motorcraft synthetic blend until I hit 80k miles, then started using Pennzoil Platinum High Mileage Full Synthetic. I still use motorcraft air filters and oil filters and replaced all the regular things like Spark plugs, coils, and all that and the truck has been babied it's entire life. The truck hit 120,000 miles and things started falling apart. Had to completely rebuild the transmission, 4x4 no longer works, blower fan control module (a/c) burned out, PCV Valve leaked, power steering leak, clock spring burned out, window regulator on the front windows burned out, and both blender door actuators burned out. I haven't had many problems with the engine, but everything else is going to hell. I love this truck, but I also hate it because as soon as something is fixed, something else breaks. It's incredibly frustrating because again, this truck has been babied and well maintained its whole life and it doesn't have that many miles on it for it's age. It just seems like it's never ending now and I'm very skeptical with buying a new Ford or even any new truck because if something goes wrong, you will have a helluvah time fixing it.
Even weather stripping issues are reliability issues. When you buy a new vehicle and there’s no problems of any sort that require you to take your vehicle in to try to get fixed, it’s what you want. When your new truck is falling apart at the seams and you’re always dealing with some issue…. BUT HEY THE ENGINE IS FINE!!! it’s not what you want. Ownership shouldn’t be a hassle. Also, when the small things aren’t well thought out or aren’t well put together, then it really makes you think the big things are only a matter of time.
I think this is about right, I had a GMC sierra, and had nothing but problems with that then end up having to do a lemon law buy back on it but I will never anymore GM products ever again because of all the inconvenience I went through with that piece of crap
My 2020 RAM 1500 transmission failed at 35K miles....and I never towed anything with it....6 weeks so far in a rent a car and just an ETA for 2 more weeks for when the transmission will arrive at the dealer.
By and large the eight-speed transmission in the ram is bulletproof and almost twice as reliable as Ford and Chevy, and furthermore as I work at an F dealership Eddie transmission repair is two to three months out just to get looked at, and good luck on Parts availability
I am THIS close to buying a 2021 Sierra 1500 5.3 V8. Haven't pulled the trigger yet. This would be my very first truck. What do you guys think. Would this be a good buy? Has less than 50k miles
For 60 to 80k they should be reliable ..... but sadly there getting worse .... and you can't predict the reliability... only way to know is to drive it 200k miles then you can decide . So if a model has been the same for 5 years and they all have done well and they haven't changed it ... then you can predict it.
I guess ram keeping the same dinosaur v6 and Hemi are a good thing. I keep hearing bad news about new fords and their quality issues and gm products the same. In terms of issues reported, Ram has been quiet.
Ford, Chevy and Ram all have camshaft and lifter failures and need major engine work at relatively low mileage. Trim, buttons and knobs falling off! After all these years of building vehicles they still can’t get it right, give me a break! Everyone knows that Toyota makes the most reliable vehicles on the road. Toyota may have an issue from time to time, but they will fix it without giving you the runaround. Most Toyota dealerships are very good to their customers and will do the right thing(as long as it’s not abuse that caused the issue). This has been my experience over the last 12 years. I was a Ford guy and my brother a Chevy guy, but we are no longer $70,000 dollars on a truck just to fight with the dealership to get something fixed!
I feel bad for people who don't believe this kind of stuff. Rams 5.7 has been one of the most reliable engines for ages, it's been redesigned and perfected and you can put that truck under a lot of work and pressure over the years and it will without a doubt outlast the competitors. I've seen it multiple times to. They're pretty good and I'd put my money towards that for a long term truck to use for work.
How many documented waste gate failures were there? Another channel said it was less than 10 trucks. Genuinely curious. 5.7 Tundra is hands down the most reliable. I’ve spoken to more people I can remember that have 300k plus on them. Met a guy in Moab driving cross country last fall towing a trailer with his 2007, said it had 599k on it and it’s never been back to the dealer.
Thanks Tim. Hopefully, we will see what they say about the HD's as well in the near future. As I recall, last year the reliability of the HD's was almost exactly flip-flopped as compared to the 1500's (of course excluding Toyota/Nissan).
genuinely curious if the inline 6 from fiat is gonna last and be reliable. One of the Tundra Forums I follow is a few people have already had engine failures so hopefully toyota can bring it back and come back to the top
@@hellkitty1014that's the same Hurricane that is direct inject only? Ford and Toyota have been running dual direct and port for a long time now in their turbo 6s...
@@angrybeavers1175 it’s almost like I watched the full 13 minute video. And yes Stellantis owns Ram and fiat under that umbrella, but the reliability portion doesn’t change lmao. Why not go be a happy beaver and munch on some wood.
General Motors has gone down in quality so much small town. Lots of vehicles sitting around waiting for parts due to the strikes. You don’t see this at Toyota dealerships.
CR has had it in for GM since the early ‘70s that I know about, no explanation, granted American cars were pretty bad back then but GM was their primary target.
Recalls are not a bad thing. It can mean that the manufacturer is listening to feedback. Cosmetic things get too much attention! Transmissions, engines, air bags, and all the basic functional parts. Should really be noticed. Emmisions and electrical issues are where reliability is problem for ALL brands. I read Consumer Reports as information from fine arts people, keeping statistics on machines. They do seem to only like vehicles I don't like. Untill it comes to Ram. To pass crash testing. The interiors of most vehicles are LESS durable. The emissions systems on diesels will probably be improved by fuel injectors being developed by the Sandia Labs. The EGR coolers are awful on any brand of diesel. MDS systems on any engine are a timebomb. EGR taken after the after treatment systems are the best on gas or diesel engines. Consumer Reports rarely talk about those things. While GM and Ford may be consistently doing dumb things. The people ruining my favorite Mopar products. Will probably go down in history as the worst management to ruin car brands. The future looks bleak buying any brand of vehicle. Just put down your money. And take your chances.
@@indycharlie the other issue is that rankings can’t tell you what reliability means… just who ranks where. In reality it’s possible the failure rates for everybody are very low, or at least a lot lower than 10-20 years ago! But that’s not captured in a “ranking”. They just make for good content, unfortunately.
@@michaellopour7409 Yeah , I have a Taco as a stop gap truck until I decide on a full size . After watching YT video's and reading online streams on each Brands issues , I find . They all have some major issues . I have heard of New Rams having engine problems . Ford having LOTS of computer issues , and GM having tranny and engine issues. It all isn't bad , except . I want one for getting out in the West where a tow truck is non-existent . Or a hell of a bill . I am retired and do not want to be broke down 20-40 miles from service . I wish Toyota still had the V8 , it would be a non brainer then . I am leaning towards the Tundra though , still . I don't really want a turbo engine ! Have a good one .. gubs
They need to make vehicles like Toyota most reliable and not totally changed every few years. The bugs are fixed and most reliable to-date but suv is the 4runner but changing 2024 after over a decade. The few miles gained is not worth the recalls and breakdowns on the new production models
Ram 1500 BigHorn or Ford F-150 XLT? Towing a wake boat or pontoon. Otherwise, daily driver with normal family driving and trips. I know the Ram has amazing riding quality, but Ford seems to have better fuel economy. Suppose it all depends on preferences. Thoughts though for this community?
I’d be interested in a survey about the general quality of the service you can expect when something does go wrong. My general perception is, I have more confidence in the average Toyota service department to be responsive and fix a problem with their product than, say, another brand. But, that’s just my perception. I know it probably varies dealership to dealership, probably even case by case. But, generally speaking, which manufacturer’s service is the best?
Who are you addressing your question to? No one on this forum is equipped with the information needed other than to give you a biased or general impression.... In 45 years of buying and working Ford and Chev trucks, I've yet to have a serious issue with any dealership. Now, your Toyota salesperson will take issue with that............
I mean, I don’t know how anyone can believe what consumer report says people do realize that half the time there’s ads on their website and pages that send you to their website from auto makers. Also, as far as rams go there’s six people at my work that leased Rams when they were dirt cheap during Covid, and every single one of them switched brands because they got sick and tired of being stranded at a traffic light and their truck wouldn’t move and they had to turn the knob shifter to park and drive like 5times, and two of those six blew torque converters in the trucks had less than probably 10,000 miles on them. Those hemi motors, the infamous tick that they never fixed and their transmissions have an always will be garbage. I don’t care what fanboys says. They love them and they’re great trucks they’re trash made by Fiat.
I agree with the list… I own a 2023 Silverado and it is absolutely the WORST heap of pretty junk I have EVER had the displeasure of owning!!! And to make it worse, GM does NOTHING to make it any better or easier to deal with! On the other hand, I’ve had several Ram 1500’s and never had any major issues (even my first year 2019). I’ll NEVER buy another Chevy anything ever again. JUNK JUNK JUNK
No doubt the grass will seem greener, that next Budweiser will taste like the best beer you've ever had, girls at your high school will swarm over you and suddenly you'll find more bedroom wall space for another Ram poster. Amazing the impact a brand can have on someone; I'm sure you'll hold your hand over your heart when you see that next RAM tv commercial. Good work! You and Ram did!! You're the best, sure wish I could have your success......
I've been a consumer reports fan for years. I have lost trust in them. I've noticed several reliability ratings that did not make any sense. Sorry to disagree but never buy 1st year from any manufacturer. Not even Toyota or Honda, they don't make all their parts like they did back in the 80s & 90s.
Fords suck in the snow. Chevy is by far the best for getting around in the winter. I pick more F-150 out of the trees constantly once their is a little snow on the ground. Btw I have bought 5 brand new f-150's and 1 Lincoln LT. Also, 4 Silverados. Ford has some cool features and handles much better. Silverado is tougher and better in snow/ice (regardless of tires). Best truck ever was the 2003 Ford F 1-50 lariat. Bulletproof.
Good job Tim, well rounded conversation. I'd buy any of those trucks on the list, save and except for the Tundra. Our experience has been primarily with Chevy trucks and Ford trucks. After 45 yrs of buying and working these trucks, I have no complaints or regrets with any of them. My trucks make me money; I can't afford to have problems. It's my firm belief that I'm part of the majority and there's a slim percentage of owners who have had problems and then there's the fanboys that are only here to promote "their brand". Imagine, if you can, selling yourself and identity out to a brand of vehicle........ actually identifying yourself by that brand. Boggles the mind.....
People that travel in extreme places is the artic. Don't drive ford's or chevys. There are real reasons they trust thier lives to toyotas and not the rest.
Sir, you may have stepped outside of your skill set here with your romantic ideas about Toyota? I've worked in the Northwest Territories and Alaska as both a mechanical engineer, a metalurgist and a mining consultant. More times than I can remember, maintenance crews had to warm the oil pans of a lot of bow ties and blue ovals just to get the fluids flowing again. Honestly, I don't recall any Toyota trucks in these work sites. Not to say people don't use them in the cold somewhere, but please.... it's not exclusive.
My biggest beef with Ford right now is embracing pride with their trans flag colored truck. I need a work vehicle, not a truck that will sleep with other trucks.
First, when you get a chance to talk to the manufacturers, PLEASE TELL THEM THAT WE NEED A REAL TRUCK,AND NOT JUST HALF TRUCKS!!! ( 6 "ADULT" CREW CAB 8FT BED!!) IN 1/2TON 3/4TON AND 1TON SINGLE REAR WHEELS!!! Also, since Tesla has had Electric Big Rigs for over 15 years that can tow over 80,000lbs for over 500 Miles, so why can't they use one of those Electric motors to power the front wheels, and then have a inline 4cyl 5.0L twin Turbo Diesel that's exactly like a Real Big Rig except for being a 4cyl and not 6cyl and make sure that it can tow 12,000lbs for 500 Miles on Electric and then the Diesel will have 2 280Amp Chargers to charge the Electric Batteries within 50 miles or one Hour at 2000 RPM's and then switch back to Electric once fully charged... Half Ton needs to be Totally AIR-RIDE FOR A SMOOTH RIDE and to adjust for a level load while Towing!! This isn't Rocket science!!! Everything has been invented and just needs to just be put together!!! Also why don't they bring back the 2 speed rear-end gears???? I used to drive a big rig that was made in the 30's that had a 2speed rear-end for logging trucks, and then they could have like a 288 gears when not Towing and then switch to 388 gears for Towing up to 20,000lbs then it can get 30+MPG'S not Towing and 20+ Towing 12,000lbs on the Diesel engine while charging the batteries... Then we can cross the country on 1 tank of fuel!! And we need it NOW!!!! THANKS
My dad’s 2021 ram 1500 has had 3 or 4 recalls. My 2012 Nissan frontier has had 1 since I bought it new. I think recall’s should count against said brand
Not necessarily true. Toyota and Nissan have issued plenty of recalls on their cars too, but recalls aren’t a bad thing. Sometimes recalls can occur to fix an unexpected problem, but sometimes recalls are issued proactively to refine current designs and avoid potential problems that can occur in the future. Toyota and Nissan issue a lot of recalls proactively to avoid problems in the future and other manufacturers can do the same. At the end of the day, recalls are admission of fault by the manufacturer and they become committed to fixing the problem. That’s why recalls are a good thing.
Tim, I’ve not found consumer reports reliable in my life. Their reviews have just never aligned with my real life experience. As far as reliable in my life and my company’s vehicles. In order of most reliable. (1) Chevrolet work vans 400,000+ on all of these vans with only normal maintenance (2) Chevrolet Suburban and Tahoe all over 300,000 and one over 400,000 (3) Toyotas cars and SUV’s (4) Ford F-150’s and Super Duties. We had some problems with the 04-08 F-150. It took me loosing one engine to figure out that the 5.4 3v needs to be modified / updated at around 100,000 miles. The oil pump and the channels moving oil to the top is too weak and too small as the oil pump ages. We update the 5.4 to the 2009/10 update and these motors go well over 400,000+. If you don’t update this motor, you’ll loose it between 110,000-150,000. It will warn you well in advance by making a marked ticking sound.
Good stuff Tim. CR has a good scientific process for their in-house evaluations. Survey data though (as far as I can tell) is always limited to people who are their subscribers. So it only reflects the complaints and accolades of CR subscribers. Doesn’t mean the data is bad, but just a potentially skewed picture. Is a CR subscriber more or less likely to X, Y, Z vs non-CR subscriber? Idk. Also, appreciate your comment about volume of complaints and percentages. If Ford makes most trucks any problem(s) can look big in terms of number of people experiencing them. If the failure rate is low as a percentage then that may be less concerning. Also to be considered is how the manufacturer addresses the concern and whether it’s an annoyance or debilitating. Toyotas wastegate issue was debilitating for those affected, happened relatively early in the life of the vehicle, and the wait for a fix felt like an eternity given how debilitating the issue was for owners. Love your channel and thought-provoking articles like this.
I have 2019 Silverado LTZ. I ordered it directly to the factory, and it took almost 3 months until it was delivered. I had a lot of recalls, but it's working fine for me. I think the majority of problems with GM are their headquarter customer service. People are frustrated with them. GM's local factory representatives are just a bunch of nonsense moron people who are living in denial. You have to be continuously in a fight with them to take care of the problems. Thanks to my dealer, I got what I needed; otherwise, I was completely screwed. I'm in Los Angeles area. I will look at the other brands when it comes to changing my truck. I've been a GM loyal customer for years, but I came to the point that customer satisfaction means nothing to GM. If you remember, when the new Gen of Silverado was announced, GM's engines were talking over 700,000 miles tests before releasing for mass production. It was just BS. Sensor issues, leaking rear windows, ... are the basics that started showing up at less than 10,000 miles.
So the video was made mid 2023, how do you know which one will last the longest if they are still new trucks? Wait 10 years and then tell everyone which are still on the road. Any truck made after 2007 is going to have emission problems just get ready for it.
Nissan trucks are underrated in my opinion. After several Ford trucks that gave me exceptional service my last one being a 2002, I bought a Nissan Titan Pro 4X 2023. The engine does not have cylinder deactivation or stop/start. The 9 speed works great. I love it! The big discount I got off sticker was the final deciding factor in the purchase and then they financed it a 0%. It's a win!
I have to agree with you. I’m 60 so I’ve owned a lot of vehicles. Nine were Nissan, most were purchased new and all were much more reliable than any other brand I’ve owned. For 2023, the great exterior looks and upscale interiors of the Ram Long Horn and Limited have my attention. They make all other trucks look plain or even ugly, in comparison IMO. But my practical side is warning me that I might be sorry if I let my eyes make this purchase decision, rather than my decades of ownership experience. The Titan is not the best looking but the 2004 and 2017 Titans I owned, both served me beyond expectations.
Agreed. Titans are super underrated, I have a 2020 pro4x myself. With that said, I wouldn't buy any other Nissan vehicle lol. They got their trucks right but that's about it.
Nissan trucks are far better than their cars these days. Cars have awful transmission problems.
Just hit 125,000 miles in my Ram 1500 hemi. No issues
“Wish a Ford and a Chevy would still last 10 years like they should” -Merle Haggard
Great song
They last 20 years, But those are the ones built 20 years ago. My 2001 Chevy Suburban has 320K miles on it and doesn't even use a drop of oil on long trips. It's 12 years old, so why can't they make a truck that lasts that long now????? It's partly because government tries to be their partner. I don't want a new truck and I'd buy an old one if I needed one!!!!
I drive a 2000 in Wisconsin
My old 2015 Ram 5.7L Hemi has 230K miles and I've never had a problem other than the fair wear n tear (brakes, tires, lightbulbs, etc). I hauled plenty of loads and worked it hard. Gave it to my daughter and bought a 2023 Ram 5.7L Hemi. Love these trucks and they've better than I expected.
I bought a 2019 ram 1500 and it's been amazing zero issues . I like it so much I bought a 2023 . Ram makes a great truck .
I was looking at a new Ram but then I kept on seeing reliability issues so I was looking into Tundras. Hearing Rams have been really good the past few years is welcome news
@@knoxcreole. I've had a 17, 19,2023 I never had a issue with anything to be honest engine and tranny are great for sure I enjoy the interior also good value
And Eureka that was a full redesign bottom up first year model. I have the identical experience with no recalls in 3 years and only one under warranty service for the wiper motor park switch, full disclosure my drive shaft is clunking the bit cuz it needs to be lubricated but it drives like new with almost 100,000 miles
Take it easy chachi… five year old truck should have no issues
Trucks being between $60-80k made me look long and hard. The Titan reserve for around $60k with a standard 5yr 100,000 mile warranty vs the 3/36 from everyone else sold me.
Best truck I've ever had!
youll need it the titan has lots of quality defects but it cheap and old tech
Loving mine too. Seems to be a well made pickup
But it's hideous
A Nissan Master mechanic told me they had lots of problems with leaking oil, but this was 10 years ago.
My pick truck is a dodge ram, 4X4 1997 with over 200k and runs fine. Body is good (driven in Michigan since new, even through all the winters and salt). I have had it rust inhibitor sprayed on it most years since 2003.
I just talked with a mechanic and he said they see rams all the time with issues so i dont think i believe ram is number 1. Lots of used Rams for resale on the market and this is the second mechanic who has said to stay away from Ram. Both have worked on them for years.
Oil pressure fluctuations concerned me on my GMC 2.7 turbo until I found out that it has a variable oil pump that supplies oil on demand and it varies the pressure.
I have a tundra and its a great truck but i am so sick of the dealer add ons i just bought a ram with $10,000 off msrp with no add ons.
'03 F150 5.4L. 218K. Biggest issue was I had to have the rear diff rebuilt at 212k. Lots of landscaping and pulling a TT took its toll. Intake had to be replaced at 195k due to a leak. Upper ball joints about the same time. Other than those issues, nothing major. Oil changes religiously at every 5k. Fuel filters every third oil change. Changes the plugs at 105k. If the wheels ever fall off, I'll weld them back on and keep on truckin.
I'm as big of a Ram fanboy as they come, and yes Ram's use of a single upgrade engine(and getting rid of the diesel) plus the bulletproof 8HP transmission helps tremendously.(this is true of Nissan using the equally reliable Endurance 5.6 as the single engine). But with Ford offering 7 engines, 3 cab configurations, several layers of electronic options, etc, they're going to have higher exposure to issues, plus they sell an extraordinary amount of trucks.(supplier issues likely contributed to their issues as well). I can also see why the Tundra's numbers were depressed because so many owners of '07-'21 trucks upgraded from the most reliable vehicle since a GM 3800 and expected the same. But that isn't the case judging from the Tundra forums. (Chevy using the 2.7/5.3/6.2/3.0Dmax also likely depressed their ratings).
I'm curious on long-term reliability of the Lightning. Ford already has a stop sale and production halt in place because of battery issues. They've also announced a new battery and propulsion system for the 2024 m/y. The R1T is likely lower for many reasons. It has far more moving parts than the Ford(air suspension, power retractable tonneau, the pass through on in the bed, etc) plus so many of its electronics are proprietary and not shared.
Ummm Ram BOX! 🙂
I've driven nothing but GM products for 23 years straight and have had few issues, none requiring major repairs on the engine or transmission.
When I was a young 'whipper-schnapper' the first vehicle I purchased new was a 1992 Chevy K-Blazer (renamed Tahoe a couple of years later), that thing was an absolute POS! Theoretically, I should have stayed away from GM for years to come...but, my 2000 Silverado, 2003 Suburban, 2007 Silverado HD and 2015 Suburban have all had stellar reliability (maybe just luck). Just this weekend, I ordered the replacement for our 2015 Suburban, a 2024 GMC Sierra Denali 3500HD...I am hopeful that it will be just as reliable as my GM's have been since 2000.
@Mikenb11 _ - The old (pre-1990) GM trucks and SUVs were like driving jello on wheels. Not good at all. The small SUVs like the new Blazer were better but didn't get very good gas mileage and the 4WDs would slip into 4-hi while going down the freeway causing the transmissions and transfer cases to burst into flames. The cars weren't bad but the trucks and SUVs were horrible.
2018 I purchased fifth generation ram, 1500 black appearance package, off-road package, 5.7 hemi. 70,000 miles today I still have the truck zero issues. Still has the same oil pressure as it did when it was brand new. I traded a brand new Ford 2016 eco-boost for the ram. Then I traded a 2015 GMC sierra for the Ford I’m very happy with the ram. I’ve been thinking about looking into the new Colorado or the GMC canyon. I was wondering what the gas mileage would be in
..they fix the eight speed automatic I heard there were some issues.
I have to admit I was surprised at the RAM. I know they scored tops last year. I chalked it up to "blind squirrel finds nut". I didn't think they'd repeat tbh. Good information to know.
Weather stripping falls under satisfaction not reliability in my book.
Best interior and room fit and finish
When you were talking about volume players, around minute 8:20... that's the problem with the way the rating is done. It should not be number of issues, it should be number of issues per vehicles sold for that model year. Otherwise, I appreciate the comparison and explanations!
I agree that Consumer Reports picks brands that they like and trashes ones that they don't. I don't trust their testing methods. They are wholly inadequate.
Just bought one of the last new 2024 Ram 1500s today. Tradesman 4x4 crew cab with the pentastar v6 for $37k. Was looking at used but it was too good of a price to pass up. Lowest I found anywhere and there was only one left. Such a comfortable truck to drive and I think I’m going to be very happy with it. I’m glad they’re up at the top of reliability now since I plan to keep it forever.
I know fleet owners with over 500k km on their 3rd gen Hemi's, 2014 I believe. They buy them every year and swear they are the best. I think people on the internet and the court of public opinion, with their brand bias, should not be listened to. I've had great luck with my 2018 Ram 1500 Hemi I bought from new. 87k miles and I've had to replace 2 exhaust manifolds (single broken bolt on each due to warping), 2 front wheel bearings (1 failed, replaced the pair) and the uconnect digitizer, along with brakes and fluid changes. Oh also sway bar end links and bushings. I consider this quite good compared to other vehicles I've owned. Ball joints and shocks remain original. Pretty darn good!
I have Ram 1500 4x4 with 144k no issues Really runs like great! Kaveri maintained it great, only compliant is sometimes the 8 speed necks at low speeds.
I totally agree, Tim! I bought a 19' RAM 1500 Laramie new in summer of 2018; Fully loaded. It was $43k. Now, the same truck five years later is almost $78k, and it has been de-spec'd so much that it barely resembles the same truck. I am so happy I jumped from GM back in 19' and bought me a Chrysler truck haha. I will never go back to GM now. RAM has won my heart and wallet.
Me too!! 👍
I owned a 2014 Ram Sport and a 2020 Ram Rebel, loved both trucks, transmissions felt bulletproof but both had the hemi tick that drove me crazy. So now back in Silverado with no issues.
@@jamesedward5355 Does the high-pressure fuel rail chas
@@robertannable9584 ?
Me too
It’s interesting that Consumer Reports isn’t putting Toyota at the top. They used to recommend Toyotas for every car and truck category pretty much. Ford needs to learn from Toyota and get their trucks more reliable by focusing on quality and reliability, instead of constantly changing them every year. They just keep digging their own hole deeper!
That's because Toyota is a very conservative company and they unlike other automakers don't do complete redesigns every few years. Instead, they do small refreshes and incremental changes to work out the bugs in their models. Look at both the Tundra and Tacoma, around for a long time with a refresh here and there till finally last year they gave into the pressure and had to a redesign for the Tundra.
@@IamGroot786 ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz
@@cwqrpportable WOW, articulate comment.... We're all impressed.
@@IamGroot786 Well thank you! I appreciate your positive remark. A masterful job of wordsmithing, n'est-ce pas?
And obviously, Toyota needs to learn from RAM. The shine and lustre has fallen off Toyota now. Too bad..........
People are more picky about things because trucks cost up to 6 figures now and they shouldnt have ‘weather stripping issues’.
I have to agree that RAM has been doing some serious upgrades over the past 3-4 years, and the reliability has gone skywards! I have a 2020 RAM REBEL with Hemi that is now 3 years old with 50 + k miles, and it's never been back to the dealers only once for a recall, and that was for the tailgate. Mine was fine, and didn't need any adjustment or fixing.
Lol 50 thousand miles
yes my point
Shouldn't have any problems until 100k miles and no major issues until 150k miles plus. Vehicles are garbage now. Timing chains go, transmissions fail, engines blowing up, all before 100k
With my 2022 f150 transmission problems started after 6000 kms. 4 appointments in a year - not fixed yet. On top of that my 3rd brake light cracked after winter, and now moisture in a front fog light. Also 2 recalls. Basically with service appointments my truck was in a shop 9 times in one year ( 13 month to be exact) - pretty much every month. 35k kms
Built tough - LOL @@alexdetagxi8148
I had my 2019 5th gen Ram 1500, with the 5.7 hemi under the hood. The truck is solid with 40k on the odometer. However I fear future Rams Wont have the hemi under the hood starting in 2024. The new Hurricane Turbo in line 6 replacing the hemi may be a problem. The MPGs gain is very minimal, nothing beats the the 5.7 hemi.
My historical observations about Toyota are that they are generally a very reliable vehicle (I've owned several) and actually stand behind what they sell when problems arise. I've never owned a Dodge vehicle myself but I've known a few Dodge pick-up owners over the years and most of them, after the vehicle reaches a certain age, spend more time under them than in them.
I have seen company fleets of RAM trucks. Camshaft issues, fuel pump issues, wiring issues, transmission issues. RAM is off the table for me.
toyota will never get another penny of my money....
@@MaineOutdoorsChannelwhy?
They didn't throw in a free oil change
Just got one and I’ve spent more time wondering why I got a mopar
So in November of 2022 CR said No Longer Recommended to buy for the 2023 Tundra and now 3 months later CR says it's ranked 2nd in predicted reliability?
(insert chin rub)
I was thinking the same thing! When I looked at the list I was expecting them to be at the bottom due to that article.
I’m a Toyota guy and have been for a long time , I do own a 2021 Tacoma 4x4 off road in a automatic and do love it and never going to get rid of it , BUT if I were to buy a 1/2 ton truck today hands down it would be the ram no questions asked I can’t stand the new tundra the looks or that turbo/ hybrid system they have in there & not a fan of ford or GM these days at all . Ram would be my go to full size truck !
Ram is going to a 6 cylinder twin turbo as well.
From reading all the comments one thing is obvious. There is not one clear winner everyone agrees on. Every manufacturer has its pros and cons. They are all overly expensive and are not getting cheaper. Also V8s are going away and turbo 6cyl are taking over. I went with a ‘23 tundra in January and absolutely love it. I’ve had a ‘18 Silverado that was plagued with issues. Co-worker has a ram TRX that spends more time at the dealership then the road. There’s good vehicles and bad ones. Just a toss up whether you get lucky or not.
You have to go back 10-20 years to prove reliability. The biggest problem is electronics now a days. Remember back in 2008-9, GM had a hybrid truck, with rear wheel steering available. They didn’t sell, but were not available at dealers. I wonder how reliable they were?
Really reliable actually just too expensive and the packaging wasn’t right.
Electronics and emission problems on any new truck after 2007.
$70,000-$100,000 trucks
They didn’t workout the bugs for ecodiesel. Hemi Tick.
Ford issue is cam phasers 3.5.
GM issue cylinder deactivation.
Known issues for years with all big 3.
Ford knows how to market their vehicles better than any manufacturer!
No, Ford issue WAS cam phasers 3.5. Even having said that, I had zero problems with any of the dozen 3.5s I've owned and worked hard.
@@cwqrpportable the DOZEN 3.5s you've owned??
@@tylerbuck9347 Yes, that’s correct. Both personal and leased trucks; my brother and I own an open pit mine and quarry and a mechanical engineering consulting business for 45 yrs. Between the two sites and our engineering firm we use considerable half tons along with our heavy equipment.
Most reliable 2023?? In my opinion, you can't measure reliability for at least ten years! Let me know what the most reliable truck is 20 years out, and then I will know what truck to buy.
great video. My qquestion would be reliability of the Duramax 3.0. Lifter problems are in the 5.3 and 6.2 but what problems are they having with the 3.0 diesel. Ford seems to be having 10 speed trans issues. i wish they would break down each motor and trans combination.
I've haven't heard of any issues with the new 3.0L Duramax diesel. There was an issue with a long crank, no start, but that's been resolved.
3.0 has to change oil pump belt around 100k so just sell it before then or it will cost you several thousand.
If only you had, had a crystal ball and could have seen into Toyota's future.
Trucks are costing over $55K problems should be minimal. Not sure I trust Consumers Reports as i would have some years back. For that matter not sure what media source to trust anymore. But enjoy your channel.
Could NOT get past “Ford F50”. It was too annoying.
150!
1 50!
F-1 50!
F-150!
So I saw some new tundras on the lot and looked at the window seals and yes, they still don't meet up.
I have a 2014 5.7 1500...it has been absolutely bulletproof. It is 10 years old and with 0 issues so I really have no reason to sell it. Speaking about buying 1st year vehicles...asked the Tundra buyers how happy they are with those heaps! Lets see Tundra issues: failed exhaust manifold, failed oxygen sensor, faulty fuel pump, failed air injection pump etc 🤣🤣🤣
Wasn't the F150, the most recalled truck in the last year? just wondering how they got in the top 3
Yes they did have the most recalls by a few million more compared to the rest.
@@ramrider1453 so..... How come CR is ranking them top 3
@@Outsider.Reviews cause really GM and Chevy are having a lot of breakdown issues overall. But Ford recalls were all there vehicles. Not just trucks. That’s why I dropped GM a few years back. I had enough and was a GM guy.
@@ramrider1453 I am wondering how the duramax is compared to gas engine sierra. I like that they separated the lightning from the Powerboost and the gas engine, they should do that with the diesel and gas engines too
@@Outsider.Reviews True. Duramax is a great Diesel engine overall. Two different beasts, gas versus diesel.
Thanks for the info! It would be awesome to see a deep dive into how Consumer Reports, JD Power, etc. actually calculate their dependability/reliability metrics. As you importantly noted with regard to smaller output vehicles such as the Tundra and Titan, are there appropriate statistical adjustments made to compare those to the larger players, or are they failing to actually compare apples to apples?
Yeah I would like to know about the questionaire, how many owners contacted per vehicle, length of ownership, model and mileage. And do they ask original owners from models that are older like 2018 to see how satisfied they are? Enquiring minds want to know! 😁
@@lylevalentine5902 Mine's a 2017 and I did get a questionnaire.
Consumer Reports and JD Power are completely different animals. CR is only compiling and reporting the data they're getting back from owner's surveys. If the owners lie or exaggerate on the surveys, there's nothing they can do about that.
@@IamGroot786 With regard to dependability/reliability, what is JD Power doing which is different than Consumer Reports?
From what I could locate online, it appears the JD Power Durability Study is an ownership survey. So wouldn't your concern over surveys from Consumer Reports hold true for JD Power as well?
Well that's interesting considering what the GM guy said about direct injection being reliable.
Consumer Reports gave Ford a high ranking when they released the 6.4 super duty diesel. 😂 we all know how terrible that motor was along with the 6.0. I had both it financially hurt me. The only truck that was reliable for me was the 2010 raptor as you can see in my picture. 200k on the clock and still runs good, last ford I will ever own, will never purchase a FORD again.
Yes, I remember how Ford swore up and down that they had fixed the issues when the 6.4 replaced the 6.0. My Dad paid the price, by my estimate, he put at least $10k into his F350 to keep it runnin'. Thankfully they came out with the 6.7, which while not flawless, was a huge improvement over the 6.0/6.4. My Dad followed up his F350 by purchasing a Ford/Winnebago Class C, the engine (6.8 V10) then blew up and had to be completely replaced at around 60k. I'm not anti-Ford actually, I still give them a look every time I have to replace my truck(s), but I have still never bought one. I had one Ford car that didn't have a single problem over the 75k that I owned it.
@mikenb11_51 my car's a 2011 ford fusion, 2.5l 4 banger
171k miles so far of no problems ( but something in the front creaks when i steer or go over a bump )
I am 60 and have owned a lot of vehicles, especially after getting married, lol. I will be buying a new truck this year and really do not want another Big 3 vehicle, although the Fords have been much better than the Chev/GM, or Dodge Ram. I will be getting a Toyota Tundra. Probably the Crewmax SR5 L.
Weird, several of my friends drive Ford diesels and they all have problems with glow plug controllers. one gave up after replacing it several times and just plugs his truck in every night.
There seems to be a massive gap in reporting on reliability. CR doesn’t give enough detail on problems, and their entire site seems so skin-deep. Some of these other sites seemed promising but actual penetration into the market seems so low, like carcomplaints, just seems like no one is using it at this point to report issues. I don’t know what the solve is, but it’s tremendously frustrating as a consumer. I have an f150 with 20k miles and a failing transmission and I’d like info on what to do and what else I could buy that might be reliable, but the information is as unreliable as the trucks it seems.
Buy a RAM 1500. Best V8 on the market. Best automatic tranny in the world. Look it up.
Consumer Reports and I have a very different criteria on what any product should be judged by.
I would toss in some caution wrt car complaints website.
I checked for my 2020 Silverado 3500.
It doesn't list many, but it lists the same DEF problem multiple times and under multiple categories even though it was only 1 problem.
This listing problem artificially inflates the displayed data graphs, yielding them completely useless as there is no way of knowing how systemic the false accounting data exists.
Any engine with AFM is a potential time bomb. When will the lifters fail, when will the engine suck up oil beyond control.
What's afm
Currently don't want to trade in my Ram because it's been so reliable and everything else isn't 😂 I can pay more and upgrade but I'm happy so far and curious if I can hit the 100,000 miles with no issues im 25,000 miles away
Smart man says keep it then😁
You will. My 12 ram has been bulletproof up until recently at 240k miles. It’s still running but recently developed a cylinder 7 misfire that I haven’t figured out yet and exhaust leak
@@HomeGrownPyro1 ohh I know that will eventually happen but if my truck makes it to a certain point I'll spend the money to get the lifters replaced I've spent 0 on it so far $3500 for lifters would be worth it truck has no rust everything is tight no rattles I'm happy so far
I am a former Ram owner. In my experience, Rams have good engines but an inferior body construction. Older trucks will have electrical and seal problems. They might be a good choice if you want to work the truck hard and sell after a few years. But if you want to keep the truck for 10-15 years, I would recommend going with another brand.
Is there anything showing reliability / problems as a percentage of overall volume? I'm not sure comparing raw numbers across brands makes sense unless I'm missing something. For example - if you sell 30k vehicles and there's 100 problems, that doesn't compare to selling 120k vehicles with 100 problems.
Nope. I mention it in the video though about volume and problems.
@@Pickuptrucktalk I really like your videos - very practical. I think it would be valuable to the consumer to get a normalized look at all the brands and their real reliability/problems. It wouldn't be that hard to do I'm thinking. Just use the complaint numbers on the website you showed us as the numerator and unit sales as the denominator.
@@toddolson7273 thanks. Unfortunately I’m terrible at math so I just don’t have the capacity.
I have a 2010 F150 Platinum with the 5.4L Triton V8. I have owned it since it was new and ALWAYS changed the oil every 3,000 miles with motorcraft synthetic blend until I hit 80k miles, then started using Pennzoil Platinum High Mileage Full Synthetic. I still use motorcraft air filters and oil filters and replaced all the regular things like Spark plugs, coils, and all that and the truck has been babied it's entire life. The truck hit 120,000 miles and things started falling apart.
Had to completely rebuild the transmission, 4x4 no longer works, blower fan control module (a/c) burned out, PCV Valve leaked, power steering leak, clock spring burned out, window regulator on the front windows burned out, and both blender door actuators burned out.
I haven't had many problems with the engine, but everything else is going to hell. I love this truck, but I also hate it because as soon as something is fixed, something else breaks. It's incredibly frustrating because again, this truck has been babied and well maintained its whole life and it doesn't have that many miles on it for it's age. It just seems like it's never ending now and I'm very skeptical with buying a new Ford or even any new truck because if something goes wrong, you will have a helluvah time fixing it.
Can yall use this as a thread to talk abt 2019-2021 Silverado reliability? Looking to purchase my first full size with the 5.3 and 8spd, thanks!
Even weather stripping issues are reliability issues. When you buy a new vehicle and there’s no problems of any sort that require you to take your vehicle in to try to get fixed, it’s what you want. When your new truck is falling apart at the seams and you’re always dealing with some issue…. BUT HEY THE ENGINE IS FINE!!! it’s not what you want. Ownership shouldn’t be a hassle. Also, when the small things aren’t well thought out or aren’t well put together, then it really makes you think the big things are only a matter of time.
Makes sense to me. Except the Rams turn into rust buckets here in NY.
I can attest to that as well. Get them undercoated early and often
I think this is about right, I had a GMC sierra, and had nothing but problems with that then end up having to do a lemon law buy back on it but I will never anymore GM products ever again because of all the inconvenience I went through with that piece of crap
My 2020 RAM 1500 transmission failed at 35K miles....and I never towed anything with it....6 weeks so far in a rent a car and just an ETA for 2 more weeks for when the transmission will arrive at the dealer.
Damn !! Hope Ram is paying for that rental .
By and large the eight-speed transmission in the ram is bulletproof and almost twice as reliable as Ford and Chevy, and furthermore as I work at an F dealership Eddie transmission repair is two to three months out just to get looked at, and good luck on Parts availability
I am THIS close to buying a 2021 Sierra 1500 5.3 V8. Haven't pulled the trigger yet. This would be my very first truck. What do you guys think. Would this be a good buy? Has less than 50k miles
Ram I don’t know, tundra is good truck , Nissan Titan also I have one I bought in 2010 and still driving fine
For 60 to 80k they should be reliable ..... but sadly there getting worse .... and you can't predict the reliability... only way to know is to drive it 200k miles then you can decide . So if a model has been the same for 5 years and they all have done well and they haven't changed it ... then you can predict it.
I guess ram keeping the same dinosaur v6 and Hemi are a good thing. I keep hearing bad news about new fords and their quality issues and gm products the same. In terms of issues reported, Ram has been quiet.
Ford, Chevy and Ram all have camshaft and lifter failures and need major engine work at relatively low mileage. Trim, buttons and knobs falling off! After all these years of building vehicles they still can’t get it right, give me a break! Everyone knows that Toyota makes the most reliable vehicles on the road. Toyota may have an issue from time to time, but they will fix it without giving you the runaround. Most Toyota dealerships are very good to their customers and will do the right thing(as long as it’s not abuse that caused the issue). This has been my experience over the last 12 years. I was a Ford guy and my brother a Chevy guy, but we are no longer $70,000 dollars on a truck just to fight with the dealership to get something fixed!
I feel bad for people who don't believe this kind of stuff. Rams 5.7 has been one of the most reliable engines for ages, it's been redesigned and perfected and you can put that truck under a lot of work and pressure over the years and it will without a doubt outlast the competitors. I've seen it multiple times to. They're pretty good and I'd put my money towards that for a long term truck to use for work.
Yes I agree Ram is so reliable! I believe ford should be last and always should be.
Titan fit and finish must have been a blind man's experience.
2013 ram 5.7 118k miles so im good for a while would you buy the f150 powerboost is what im thinking next ?
Powerboost is less reliable than all of their other engine options
I agree 100% about Ford. They don’t know how to get out of their own way.
I drove ford's but the 21 ram hemi is the best truck I have owned
How many documented waste gate failures were there? Another channel said it was less than 10 trucks. Genuinely curious. 5.7 Tundra is hands down the most reliable. I’ve spoken to more people I can remember that have 300k plus on them. Met a guy in Moab driving cross country last fall towing a trailer with his 2007, said it had 599k on it and it’s never been back to the dealer.
Toyota doesn't issue an official number. It was really small though looking back at the grand scheme of things.
Thanks Tim. Hopefully, we will see what they say about the HD's as well in the near future. As I recall, last year the reliability of the HD's was almost exactly flip-flopped as compared to the 1500's (of course excluding Toyota/Nissan).
I'll have midsize and HDs out hopefully this week. Got quite the backlog at the moment.
I like all these trucks but count my bias because I’m still behind the Chevy all the way
Ram is king! ❤️👍👍👍👍
genuinely curious if the inline 6 from fiat is gonna last and be reliable. One of the Tundra Forums I follow is a few people have already had engine failures so hopefully toyota can bring it back and come back to the top
Plenty of issues with those Tundras. Who woulda guessed when you cheapen up a truck it will have issues.
The Hurricane better damn well be reliable. They had it in development for 6 years and delayed it twice to ensure top quality. We will see.
@@hellkitty1014 don’t think top quality and fiat mix unfortunately
@@hellkitty1014that's the same Hurricane that is direct inject only? Ford and Toyota have been running dual direct and port for a long time now in their turbo 6s...
@@angrybeavers1175 it’s almost like I watched the full 13 minute video. And yes Stellantis owns Ram and fiat under that umbrella, but the reliability portion doesn’t change lmao. Why not go be a happy beaver and munch on some wood.
Everyone knows Toyota is number one in reliability and service.
Not anymore. Over 100,000 tundras recalled. Many many blown v6 turbo engines. Tundra is no longer in the reliability category
General Motors has gone down in quality so much small town. Lots of vehicles sitting around waiting for parts due to the strikes. You don’t see this at Toyota dealerships.
CR has had it in for GM since the early ‘70s that I know about, no explanation, granted American cars were pretty bad back then but GM was their primary target.
Recalls are not a bad thing. It can mean that the manufacturer is listening to feedback. Cosmetic things get too much attention! Transmissions, engines, air bags, and all the basic functional parts. Should really be noticed. Emmisions and electrical issues are where reliability is problem for ALL brands.
I read Consumer Reports as information from fine arts people, keeping statistics on machines. They do seem to only like vehicles I don't like. Untill it comes to Ram.
To pass crash testing. The interiors of most vehicles are LESS durable. The emissions systems on diesels will probably be improved by fuel injectors being developed by the Sandia Labs. The EGR coolers are awful on any brand of diesel. MDS systems on any engine are a timebomb. EGR taken after the after treatment systems are the best on gas or diesel engines. Consumer Reports rarely talk about those things.
While GM and Ford may be consistently doing dumb things. The people ruining my favorite Mopar products. Will probably go down in history as the worst management to ruin car brands. The future looks bleak buying any brand of vehicle.
Just put down your money. And take your chances.
11:03 I think you know better Tim.. CR is based on surveys not editorial rankings…
Ah, good catch.
And that is the key issue as to why . CR are the best ratings to believe. ! The rest are bought off by Brands .
@@indycharlie the other issue is that rankings can’t tell you what reliability means… just who ranks where. In reality it’s possible the failure rates for everybody are very low, or at least a lot lower than 10-20 years ago! But that’s not captured in a “ranking”. They just make for good content, unfortunately.
@@michaellopour7409 Yeah , I have a Taco as a stop gap truck until I decide on a full size . After watching YT video's and reading online streams on each Brands issues , I find . They all have some major issues . I have heard of New Rams having engine problems . Ford having LOTS of computer issues , and GM having tranny and engine issues. It all isn't bad , except . I want one for getting out in the West where a tow truck is non-existent . Or a hell of a bill . I am retired and do not want to be broke down 20-40 miles from service . I wish Toyota still had the V8 , it would be a non brainer then . I am leaning towards the Tundra though , still . I don't really want a turbo engine ! Have a good one .. gubs
@@indycharlie Just find a used late mode, Tundra
Toyota is definitely the best quality PU, if the could improve their fuel economy. Toyota and Nissan have never been able to get decent gas mileage.
Real world , they are about the same as every other truck. Toyota just don't lie on the sales tag.
They need to make vehicles like Toyota most reliable and not totally changed every few years. The bugs are fixed and most reliable to-date but suv is the 4runner but changing 2024 after over a decade. The few miles gained is not worth the recalls and breakdowns on the new production models
Ram 1500 BigHorn or Ford F-150 XLT? Towing a wake boat or pontoon. Otherwise, daily driver with normal family driving and trips. I know the Ram has amazing riding quality, but Ford seems to have better fuel economy. Suppose it all depends on preferences. Thoughts though for this community?
I’d be interested in a survey about the general quality of the service you can expect when something does go wrong. My general perception is, I have more confidence in the average Toyota service department to be responsive and fix a problem with their product than, say, another brand. But, that’s just my perception. I know it probably varies dealership to dealership, probably even case by case. But, generally speaking, which manufacturer’s service is the best?
Who are you addressing your question to? No one on this forum is equipped with the information needed other than to give you a biased or general impression.... In 45 years of buying and working Ford and Chev trucks, I've yet to have a serious issue with any dealership. Now, your Toyota salesperson will take issue with that............
How can you rank the aforementioned for reliability when they're not even a year old, yet?
Predictive reliability.
Hi Tim,
Great information thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
@@Pickuptrucktalk I like your channel tell Jill I said hello 👋
I mean, I don’t know how anyone can believe what consumer report says people do realize that half the time there’s ads on their website and pages that send you to their website from auto makers. Also, as far as rams go there’s six people at my work that leased Rams when they were dirt cheap during Covid, and every single one of them switched brands because they got sick and tired of being stranded at a traffic light and their truck wouldn’t move and they had to turn the knob shifter to park and drive like 5times, and two of those six blew torque converters in the trucks had less than probably 10,000 miles on them. Those hemi motors, the infamous tick that they never fixed and their transmissions have an always will be garbage. I don’t care what fanboys says. They love them and they’re great trucks they’re trash made by Fiat.
Wait, ads? You know CR and myself as well don’t have any say over Ads right?
I agree with the list… I own a 2023 Silverado and it is absolutely the WORST heap of pretty junk I have EVER had the displeasure of owning!!! And to make it worse, GM does NOTHING to make it any better or easier to deal with! On the other hand, I’ve had several Ram 1500’s and never had any major issues (even my first year 2019). I’ll NEVER buy another Chevy anything ever again. JUNK JUNK JUNK
Thanks Tim for Bragging rights again for the second straight year...RAM-1500 KING OF TRUCKS 👌
👏👏👏👏🤙. Well said
No doubt the grass will seem greener, that next Budweiser will taste like the best beer you've ever had, girls at your high school will swarm over you and suddenly you'll find more bedroom wall space for another Ram poster. Amazing the impact a brand can have on someone; I'm sure you'll hold your hand over your heart when you see that next RAM tv commercial. Good work! You and Ram did!! You're the best, sure wish I could have your success......
@CW CW well thank you..
Fact that CR said it I would not claim as bragging rights….
@@studsauce7803 I go by facts not what u rhink🤣
I've been a consumer reports fan for years. I have lost trust in them. I've noticed several reliability ratings that did not make any sense. Sorry to disagree but never buy 1st year from any manufacturer. Not even Toyota or Honda, they don't make all their parts like they did back in the 80s & 90s.
Fords suck in the snow. Chevy is by far the best for getting around in the winter. I pick more F-150 out of the trees constantly once their is a little snow on the ground. Btw I have bought 5 brand new f-150's and 1 Lincoln LT. Also, 4 Silverados. Ford has some cool features and handles much better. Silverado is tougher and better in snow/ice (regardless of tires). Best truck ever was the 2003 Ford F 1-50 lariat. Bulletproof.
People are a little more picky and tricky because they're now paying over 60k for a nice pickup truck .😡💰💰💰😡
Good job Tim, well rounded conversation.
I'd buy any of those trucks on the list, save and except for the Tundra. Our experience has been primarily with Chevy trucks and Ford trucks. After 45 yrs of buying and working these trucks, I have no complaints or regrets with any of them. My trucks make me money; I can't afford to have problems. It's my firm belief that I'm part of the majority and there's a slim percentage of owners who have had problems and then there's the fanboys that are only here to promote "their brand". Imagine, if you can, selling yourself and identity out to a brand of vehicle........ actually identifying yourself by that brand. Boggles the mind.....
People that travel in extreme places is the artic. Don't drive ford's or chevys. There are real reasons they trust thier lives to toyotas and not the rest.
Sir, you may have stepped outside of your skill set here with your romantic ideas about Toyota? I've worked in the Northwest Territories and Alaska as both a mechanical engineer, a metalurgist and a mining consultant. More times than I can remember, maintenance crews had to warm the oil pans of a lot of bow ties and blue ovals just to get the fluids flowing again. Honestly, I don't recall any Toyota trucks in these work sites. Not to say people don't use them in the cold somewhere, but please.... it's not exclusive.
My biggest beef with Ford right now is embracing pride with their trans flag colored truck. I need a work vehicle, not a truck that will sleep with other trucks.
First, when you get a chance to talk to the manufacturers, PLEASE TELL THEM THAT WE NEED A REAL TRUCK,AND NOT JUST HALF TRUCKS!!! ( 6 "ADULT" CREW CAB 8FT BED!!) IN 1/2TON 3/4TON AND 1TON SINGLE REAR WHEELS!!! Also, since Tesla has had Electric Big Rigs for over 15 years that can tow over 80,000lbs for over 500 Miles, so why can't they use one of those Electric motors to power the front wheels, and then have a inline 4cyl 5.0L twin Turbo Diesel that's exactly like a Real Big Rig except for being a 4cyl and not 6cyl and make sure that it can tow 12,000lbs for 500 Miles on Electric and then the Diesel will have 2 280Amp Chargers to charge the Electric Batteries within 50 miles or one Hour at 2000 RPM's and then switch back to Electric once fully charged... Half Ton needs to be Totally AIR-RIDE FOR A SMOOTH RIDE and to adjust for a level load while Towing!! This isn't Rocket science!!! Everything has been invented and just needs to just be put together!!! Also why don't they bring back the 2 speed rear-end gears???? I used to drive a big rig that was made in the 30's that had a 2speed rear-end for logging trucks, and then they could have like a 288 gears when not Towing and then switch to 388 gears for Towing up to 20,000lbs then it can get 30+MPG'S not Towing and 20+ Towing 12,000lbs on the Diesel engine while charging the batteries... Then we can cross the country on 1 tank of fuel!! And we need it NOW!!!! THANKS
Consumer Reports rates egobost no 5 liter F-150
My dad’s 2021 ram 1500 has had 3 or 4 recalls. My 2012 Nissan frontier has had 1 since I bought it new. I think recall’s should count against said brand
Not necessarily true. Toyota and Nissan have issued plenty of recalls on their cars too, but recalls aren’t a bad thing. Sometimes recalls can occur to fix an unexpected problem, but sometimes recalls are issued proactively to refine current designs and avoid potential problems that can occur in the future. Toyota and Nissan issue a lot of recalls proactively to avoid problems in the future and other manufacturers can do the same. At the end of the day, recalls are admission of fault by the manufacturer and they become committed to fixing the problem. That’s why recalls are a good thing.
Ram-most reliably stolen from your driveway.
That was definitely true in the 80s with the D/W series.
I wish they would break out the multimedia/radio from the rest of the issues. I don't really care about media stuff. I care about the drive train.
35k + GM trucks have had engine lifter issues..
Where did you get that stat?
Tim, I’ve not found consumer reports reliable in my life. Their reviews have just never aligned with my real life experience.
As far as reliable in my life and my company’s vehicles. In order of most reliable.
(1) Chevrolet work vans 400,000+ on all of these vans with only normal maintenance
(2) Chevrolet Suburban and Tahoe all over 300,000 and one over 400,000
(3) Toyotas cars and SUV’s
(4) Ford F-150’s and Super Duties.
We had some problems with the 04-08 F-150. It took me loosing one engine to figure out that the 5.4 3v needs to be modified / updated at around 100,000 miles. The oil pump and the channels moving oil to the top is too weak and too small as the oil pump ages. We update the 5.4 to the 2009/10 update and these motors go well over 400,000+. If you don’t update this motor, you’ll loose it between 110,000-150,000. It will warn you well in advance by making a marked ticking sound.
Good stuff Tim. CR has a good scientific process for their in-house evaluations. Survey data though (as far as I can tell) is always limited to people who are their subscribers. So it only reflects the complaints and accolades of CR subscribers. Doesn’t mean the data is bad, but just a potentially skewed picture. Is a CR subscriber more or less likely to X, Y, Z vs non-CR subscriber? Idk.
Also, appreciate your comment about volume of complaints and percentages. If Ford makes most trucks any problem(s) can look big in terms of number of people experiencing them. If the failure rate is low as a percentage then that may be less concerning.
Also to be considered is how the manufacturer addresses the concern and whether it’s an annoyance or debilitating. Toyotas wastegate issue was debilitating for those affected, happened relatively early in the life of the vehicle, and the wait for a fix felt like an eternity given how debilitating the issue was for owners.
Love your channel and thought-provoking articles like this.
I have 2019 Silverado LTZ. I ordered it directly to the factory, and it took almost 3 months until it was delivered. I had a lot of recalls, but it's working fine for me. I think the majority of problems with GM are their headquarter customer service. People are frustrated with them. GM's local factory representatives are just a bunch of nonsense moron people who are living in denial. You have to be continuously in a fight with them to take care of the problems. Thanks to my dealer, I got what I needed; otherwise, I was completely screwed. I'm in Los Angeles area.
I will look at the other brands when it comes to changing my truck. I've been a GM loyal customer for years, but I came to the point that customer satisfaction means nothing to GM. If you remember, when the new Gen of Silverado was announced, GM's engines were talking over 700,000 miles tests before releasing for mass production. It was just BS. Sensor issues, leaking rear windows, ... are the basics that started showing up at less than 10,000 miles.
So the video was made mid 2023, how do you know which one will last the longest if they are still new trucks? Wait 10 years and then tell everyone which are still on the road. Any truck made after 2007 is going to have emission problems just get ready for it.