It's not clear what you were mentioning at the end of your video re CarEdge. Is this a sales platform such as CarMax and you are discussing your warranty. More details!
Hi @@mamat792, CarEdge is not a sales platform like CarMax. Instead, it's a service that provides tools and resources to help consumers make informed decisions when buying, selling, or leasing vehicles. Our platform offers insights, data, and advice to ensure you get the best possible deal. For more details on our services and how we can assist you, visit caredge.com.
When I think about reliability, I'm thinking about a car that always starts and doesn't break down mechanically. You get where you're going. I think CR's ratings include "annoying" things that don't leave you stranded, like infotainment issues, or other electronic bugs. Yes, those matter, but for me, if you aren't stranded on the side of the road, your car is reliable.
Exactly. Reliability should be thought of as whether I can 'rely' on a vehicle to get me where I plan to go when I need it. Along with that should go how easy and affordable is it to fix when it can't get me there. For all the other weaknesses of EVs (cost, range, charging availability), reliability should be one of their key features. I'm getting older and I'm looking for something that I can buy new, keep for a decade plus, and which will be least likely to leave me stranded at the side of the road.
@@craiggourley8703 Totally agree. But in a BEV, the electronics are so complex (because of the software - impossible not to have glitches - and because of the hundreds of additional connections between the accumulators in the battery) and so easy to malfunction, that there is no wonder that their segment is rated #16 for reliability (#17 being the last position, the least reliable). Therefore, if you want the luxury wealthy people are looking for (like no waste of time - directly related to reliability, comfort etc.) buy the most reliable, low TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) cars [like Lexus, #1 in reliability and #3 in low TCO], not those with top features, whistles etc. (they will malfunction a lot, just look how Mercedes deepen in reliability during this century to #29 because of the electronics).
That’s true for most of the vehicles released before the pandemic. But most vehicles now unfortunately have the climate controls only in the infotainment screen. Some GM vehicles even have the headlights only controllable by the infotainment screen. Fortunately though, not all manufacturers are following this trend.
@@G82Watts, Bring My Wallet is indeed better than the other two, but Porsche > BMW. But Audi (#19 in reliability) > Merc (#29). It was indeed the other way in the last century.
Please remember that, unlike actual product testing that Consumer Reports does on numerous items, the reliability ratings offered by them on vehicles is largely just a accumulation of individual experiences and opinions consolidated from their semi-annual surveys. Past performance is not a guarantee of future results; Your results may vary.
And it only polls their readers, many of whom do not respond. I used to subscribe to Consumer Reports, and I never answered any of their polls. I did not have time.
I experienced something July 12 at a Toyota dealer that I've never seen before. I was told "it's against Toyota's policy to write a Bill of Sale to allow a customer to get outside financing". And yes I walked!
I work for a large Credit Union and we do lots of loans for Toyota Dealers, yes new Toyotas. You may want to contact the state attorney general consumer division, maybe the Federal Trade Commission too.
Mazda moved back because they've introduced like 3 new models in the last few years. Usually the most problems a vehicle will have show up in the first couple years of manufacturing.
This can't be it because CR listed both the cx-30 and the cx-50 as very reliable. Infact in 2021 or 2022 they listed the cx30 as THE MOST reliable subcompact suv. The only one that could've affected this score would be the cx90, but even the cx90 didn't have that many problems to set mazda this far back. Either more people are reporting problems with Mazda in general or CR is being financially influenced to have particular brands in a particular order.
My 2002 Subaru Forester has 205,000 miles and is still going strong! I have kept up with maintenance, and was happy to find a family owned, very reputable mechanic who has fair prices. I have had some age related repairs, but find costs are less than payments and insurance for a brand new car. When time comes, another Subaru will be my choice.
I have a 2013 crosstrek and never had a problem i have 95000 miles and yes i keep up on maintain everything never had any major issues im looking for a outback now
I always thought they are a bit prejudicial to how brands were 15 years ago, rather than looking solely at new information. I never understand how they grade a certain Japanese carmaker as handling well when they are boring to drive. soft ride, but boring.
As I recall, their ratings are based on surveys of owners who happen to be subscribers to CR. Makes it kind of incestuous if that's true and not a valid sample.
Prior to 2020 I have never owned or thought about owning a Subaru. I was Toyota/Nissan for life. When the ridiculous price hike started, Subaru was the ONLY company/dealership that did not add 10-15 k to every MSRP. Since 2020 we have bought 4 and had zero issue. We have The Impreza sport, Impreza wagon, forester and the Ascent. Subaru for me has been great and a great value.
You see, things change and now you are happy with Subaru. So am I with a Miata ND2, Suzuki Jimny, Lexus hybrid (I used to have also a Honda Civic 2 decades ago, but meanwhile Honda's reliability went down a little). CR is fine if you take the weighted average for the last few years, and then you get also the other "comets" (like Hyundai, Audi, Infiniti, Buick, RAM, Dodge clunkers) out of the Top 10 reliability, that has at the top only Japanese top brands: #1 Lexus #2 Toyota #3 Mazda #4 Honda #5 Acura #6 Subaru Outside of the USA you get Suzuki and Mitsubishi in Top 10 too.
Same. Was always a Toyota guy until my last experience at the Toyota Dealership. Subarus reliability has improved in the last 5 or 6 years. Last month I became a Forester owner.
My family has had 5 Subarus in a row. We've had great results on 4/5. Head gaskets were bad on a 2010 but 2 old and 2 new Subarus have been as rugged and reliable as advertised.
I have one, they are very solid cars. Build quality is fantastic. Would 100% recommend an F60 or F54 as a fast, versatile daily driver. Don't buy an R-series Mini unless you are financially prepared to spend a ton of money on it. But the F-series cars are damn near perfect.
own 2021 BMW X5 with more than 70,000 miles on it , changed engine oil and filter every 5000 miles not 10, and so far no even small issue on the car , total expense on the top of the regular maintenance , set of tires ,$2100 and 60,000 miles factory warranty for under $ 2000 , love the car and still runs like dream , totally agree with consumer report
Mazda seems to have fixed the issue with the bearing design in their six speed auto. If the price is right, i’d trade my 2017 Mazda 3 for a 2024 Mazda 3 or CX-5. Mine was built in Mexico and other than the transmission (not specific to Mexico), the car has been great. Mazda dealerships are surprisingly easy to deal with for routine maintenance, and pricing for service is not bad at all.
the only thing I can add to this is that Toyota are way easier to work on than BMWs according to car mechanics this means repairs or service done outside of warranty will cost you way less thus the more than double extended warranty, parts are probably more expensive too but having to almost remove the engine to change the battery and stuff like that are BMW specialty
The Toyota ranking at #2 will certainly suffer because of the massive issues they dealing with in their new trucks. Engine and transmission problems and failures have been horrendous, as many videos on RUclips have noted. Another case of a company trying to satisfy unreasonably stringent government mandates for fleet mileage improvements by making smaller, more complex, turbocharged engines and gas saving adjustments to transmissions.
@@carlsanders7824government mandates forced them into induction engines like every other manufacturer. Watch any of their engineer videos to see what I mean.
I just had a salesman come unglued because I found that the bed of a new 2024 Ford F150 STX was installed crooked. It should be an easy fix, right? Even the sales Manager thought so. Where are these dealers finding these people? It’s terrible to be talked to in such a rude way! I just pointed it out.
Take away: Tech that's been around awhile, tons of cheap plastic, ridiculously high prices. When an "affordable" vehicle starts at 30K and above, too many are priced out of a new car.
I have a 2019 Mini Countryman S. Wonderful car. People sleep on Mini because they had some quality issues prior to 2013, but since then they are on their game. Are you paying more in maintenance, yeah. But driving a Camry around (even a really nice Camry) won't put a smile on your face like bombing around in a Mini will. Well worth it to me!
I have a 2018 Kia Optima S with a 2.4 L engine. I currently have 192,760 Mi on it. Other than having to top off the oil it has really been a great car and I hope to get another 50,000 Mi out of it. It still runs and looks great but my sunroof no longer works but I'm okay with that. The AC is still ice cold and it still performs great doesn't make any weird noises. it has never overheated or stalled on me. I have replaced the alternator twice, one new battery and one new CV axle and a hub assembly surely due to a pothole that also damaged the tire. Parts are plentiful and reasonably priced.
I have owned a Mini since 2009, my last purchase is a 2015 Mini, after 9 years, I had no problems with it, except for a belt that snapped. So, I am very satisfied.
Go with what you like and what your gut tells you. Everyone has a story to shoot down a specific vehicle or a vehicle their whole family owned for 300k miles with no issues. Look at what you like, drive it, and go with your gut.
My wife's 2008 Pt Cruiser Turbo has been extremely reliable and total cost of ownership is .45 cents per mile. Still runs great, carries a ton of stuff, and is fun to drive.
To be fair, reliability solely examines the unlikelihood of a breakdown. It does not consider the cost should a breakdown occur, nor the maintenance costs.
I loved my BMW but expect to be gouged after the warranty expires! Lease or get the factory extended warranty. My Hondas & Toyotas have been trouble free.
In terms of mileage you'd expect a car to last around 200,000 mile. Average lifespan of 12 years. In 1970s the average was around 100,000 miles. Clearly the average lifespan of cars have vastly improved compared to 50 years ago. BUT there's been a slight decline since the mid 2010s among many top brands as they have to meet increasingly strict emission standards. In order to meet fuel efficiency and emission standards, car manufacturers are producing smaller engines that are turbocharged. Naturally aspirated engines are getting more and more uncommon. Also many brands are adopting CVT transmissions. This includes brands like Honda, Toyota and Kia etc.. These transmissions are notoriously unreliable, especially in the case of Nissan. Ever since Honda introduced CVTs and smaller turbocharged engines, their reliability score plummeted. For instance the reliability score was below market average for the 2016 Honda Civic, while in 2014 it was one of the most reliable cars on the market. Chevrolet definitely became less reliable over the past decade (with exceptions). But yes it seems like cars have become slightly less reliable in recent years
The Toyota Yaris is my car of choice. I've owned mine since 2003, and even after over 206,000 miles it's still going strong, and has cost me very little to maintain over the years.
I agree, I’m saddened that my kiddo got into a motor vehicle with it and totaled it. It was great in gas mileage and maintenance costs were so damn cheap. Wish they would’ve kept making it
Agree with Kia, BMW, Mini bs. But zero means something else than you believe. It would mean that Toyota/Lexus, Acura/Honda, Mazda, Subaru etc. are far away from where they were placed by the CR subscribers' data. Which is not the case. That's why I am using the weighted average for the CR annual reliability surveys, thus eliminating the bs with Mini, BMW, Kia etc.
i have a 2008 Honda CRV made in Japan purring at 230000. I have a 2016 made in America, regularly maintained, Honda Odyssey that needed a 3 piston job ($5000) in 2024at 71000miles. What we see in CR is the list of a bunch of now crappy cars from world companies run by people with business majors who would not be able to change a flat tire by themselves.
Well I own 3 Kia’s and 2 Hyundais since 2012 they have been the most reliable cars have owned. One of the Hyundais I still own has 150k not a problem. I am 54 and have owned Honda and Toyota before and they are reliable but the Korean seems to have less problems
It's a compilation of the data from the readers. They have more credibility than any other service out there. Not knowing the source data so that you can give your anecdotal blurb is the issue.
hell yes, had an '84 one with manual. That thing was indestructible until it got t boned. ( they were thin metal and didn't weight much but they would last forever )
Toyota did bring the Tercel back. At first it was called the Echo and then from 2006 to 2018 they were called the Yaris. The 1NZ-FE engine used in them is well known to last 1 million miles.
I agree with Ray on not owning a Mini past the manufacture warranty period & I would also add a host of other vehicles to that list such as the new Toyota Trucks (or any manufacturer) & SUV's with turbo engines & any EV mode, these modern cars have become so incredibly expensive to repair it can potentially crack & scramble the average guy's bank account to pay for some of these repairs out of pocket!
I listened to CR once. I bought a Subaru Outback-my first brand-new vehicle. I haven't had to take a car into the shop that often since my 1987 Chrysler Lebaron. It was just one thing after another. I would say that I just got a lemon, but once I researched the specific issues, I saw that many of the problems were systemic. I do not trust CR's rankings so much after that.
I've also had less than stellar experience with products highly rated by CR. While I don't consider them dishonest, I do believe they've just become too political and too involved in other things to do proper, long term reporting on products. And, much of the time, the products the do review aren't what is available any longer either. Especially in electronics.
TOP 10 CAR BRANDS MOST RELIABLE CARS 10. KIA 5. SUBARU FORESTER 9. BMW 4. BMW X5 8. PORSCHE 3. TOYOTA RAV 4 PRIME 7. MAZDA 2. TOYOTA CAMRY 6. SUBARU 1. TOYOTA 4RUNNER 5. HONDA 4. ACURA 3. MINI 2. TOYOTA 1. LEXUS + 11. BUICK…. 12. INFINITY
KIA's 2023 Forte I'm leasing has had no issues to date. At this point with Chevy, GMC, Chrysler, and Ford, it was one issue after another after a few months.
Surprised by Kia. My son had a Hyundai Sonata. The engine blew. Smoke pouring out under the hood. It was some kind of factory defect. My son has a Mazda 3. Great car. My BMW is a great car. It is a 5-series. However, I have seen car guys say to stay away from the BMW X5.
Mini??? I love the look and drive, and I've owned one; but won't purchase another until they begin sourcing engines and transmissions from Honda or Toyota. 😁
I owned three Subarus and all of them had problems with head gaskets and a host of many other problems. I'm always perplexed by consumer reports. Consumer reports was always ragging on Saab before it went out of business, my Saab 9-5 was the most reliable vehicle I ever owned.
The Odessey and the Forester are my new car considerations I’d love to get a Pacifica as it’s the best looking minivan out there but I’m skeptical about its reliability. I see a somewhat negative view but if haven’t found too much to go off of. I want a long term vehicle so I don’t think it’s the best option but if it doesn’t give huge headaches, maybe it’s a decent option. In the end, I just want to know if it’s a vehicle I can add or cross out from my list of considerations.
a man recently commented that his son's girlfriend ( engineer )'was working for a major American auto manufacturer and she ended up quitting because her bosses told her that she could no longer design parts / systems for vehicles that would last way beyond the term of the warranty
Owned both BMW and Mercedes, Merc far greater reliablity, change oil every 5 k and it’s mostly normal wear and tear. Services are more expensive but you need to accept that going in. Best car I ever owned was a 2014 CLS 550 that to this day I wish I still owned.
Agree, Kia, Hyundai, BMW, Mini are not at all in Top 10. There are at least 8 reliable Japanese brands, if you add Suzuki and Mitsubishi (stronger outside US).
I haven’t seen the report, but doesn’t CR do their reliability score based on actual owner ratings? It would make sense to be a bit off if more people responded from one segment or another. They stopped asking me about my 2007 Accord many years ago, but it’s still hanging in there after 17 years with zero major issues. In fact the first issue I ever had with non maintenance items happened 2 years ago with an O2 sensor finally going out . And the headliner is finally threatening to give out. ( and that’s probably because I can’t garage the car ) If this isn’t a reliability testimonial I don’t know what is
I don't put much stock in CR. Toyota/Lexus Honda/Acura BMW/Mini are the same. Toyota has a stake in Mazda and Subaru. They had to put them somewhere on the list. There for a while, they were real big on KIA/Hyundai until they starting catching on fire. Who's pocket got lined with cash on that one?
I just got rid of a 2022 Tucson. The only thing worse than Hyundai are their dealers. Of course trading in a 3 year old car is never going to be a good financial decision but the residual value was terrible but it was also a terrible car. The feeling I got turning in those keys was well worth the cost. I will never buy another Hyundai/Kia ever again.
I'd like to see the list next year since Toyota has brought out reworked versions of their Tacoma, Tundra, and Camry. I'm betting they start dropping down the list.
It’s interesting what Consumer Reports comes up with. I like seeing their ratings. Do I put any stock in their findings? None whatsoever. Bought their top rated Kennmore washer and it was the biggest piece of crap I ever had.
My 2009 Mini Cooper was a lemon. It cost me over $14,000 in repairs after my warranty expired. I probably lost a few of my receipts, so it may have been more.
You two guys are awesome. Smart, truthful and accurate. However I have a question. I own a 2006 Highlander with only 104,000KM. No rust anywhere. Interior is still mint. Runs perfect. Should I upgrade or keep it? Some voices say this is one of the best Toyotas ever made. Is this true?
I'd keep the one you have now. I have a 2005 Toyota Tundra with 110,000 miles. I just keep up with maintenance, and keep my undercarriage and main frame undercoated every year before winter. As long as the body of your vehicle is rock solid with no rust, and you keep up on maintenance keep your vehicle. Why spend money you don't need to unless you get a super fantastic trade in value on your Highlander.
If KIA and Hyundai are on this list, I'm going to vomit! April Fool's has already passed this year. There's only 5. And two of those are the luxury divisions of other brands. Honda, Toyota, Mazda, Acura, Lexus. You want a headache-free co-existence with your ride, buy one of those!
@@Jan96106, yep, nothing is perfect. Anybody claiming that would be right. Still, the Japanese brands dominate the best cars tops (reliability, low TCO Total= Cost of Ownership, thus resale value etc.). They do not have the performance at the level of a Bring My Wallet, a Porsche or more costly supercars, but their purchase cost is at least few times smaller and their TCO is just a small fraction of those expensive cars.
Different criterion. The JP Power reports are generally covering very short term. Like 100 days or first year of ownership. That's a problem with "articles" from anyone these days. Stats are thrown around with lots of qualitative analysis. But the actual factors measured are barely mentioned. We live in a 30 second soundbite world and most people are too lazy to think beyond that. That's why we also commonly see correlation offered as proof of causation. And the public eats that up without a second thought.
In a world where people think men can have babies CR list do nothing for me. I buy Toyotas and Hondas only because of their reliability we have experienced. My last 2000 Accord i have spent maybe 5000 on repairs in 24 years and it still runs great. My 1985 toyota pickup I don't think will ever stop running.
The CR list comes from people like us, have a little faith. Or even better, trust a real science (not like the invented ones, for men having babies) like statistics and use the weighted average for the last few years of CR annual reliability surveys. Then the rankings will be quite close to reality: #1 Lexus #2 Toyota #3 Mazda #4 Honda #5 Acura #6 Subaru Plus Suzuki and Mitsubishi outside USA. Minus the "meteoric" appearances of the German, Korean, American clunkers...
Had terrible experience with 2 brand new Hondas.... a 1999 Accord & 2011 Pilot. Also had bad luck with a Mid-2000s Civic I bought used from a coworker. Had tremendously good track record with BMW stuff. Drove the wheels off an X5 for nearly 10 years with nothing but basic maintenance on it & driving a fairly current BMW X vehicle now for pushing 3 years that also exists as a Mini product. Absolutely ZERO issues... not even a hint of a rattle in the thing. Things change over time, such as a maker of automobiles reliability, but people ride their perceptions almost forever & can't be told otherwise. Right now I have products from Ford, Toyota, BMW, & Audi in our family's stable & the German stuff has been tremendously awesome to us for a long time.
When I look around on the roads there's still tons of 25 year old Hondas driving on the road with 200K+ miles. 25 year old BMW and Audi: almost nonexistant.
@@daveclark8337Not surprising as there were lots more Hondas on the road 25 years ago than either BMWs or Audis. (The German brands were much more of a "niche" automobile back then). And yes, the German brands' quality back then wasn't as good as Honda's. (In fact, I can't say that Audi's reliability is so great even now). I've driven mostly BMWs since 1998 and had only one reliability issue in all that time. I have noticed that the BMWs I've owned since 2017 do seem to be put together better than the ones previous to that.
Owning any brand of new cars outside the waranty is taking a risk Even Toyota are now having similar issues to Kia/Hyundai. Ford are having to cover wet belt failures, the list goes on and on. As for the BMW Mini, if i look out of my back bedroom window in the distance i can see a compond full of them all with failed 1.6 engines or electrical issues that the owner can't afford to pay for. I wouldn't touch any car from Germany with a barge pole!
Our BMW i3 lease is up in a month and over the 3 years it has been PERFECT. The dealership did call midway through the lease and said please bring it in. The service center needs to make SOMETHING on the car…so I did.
@@Barbarapape I agree on ICE BMW’s that I’ve leased in the past. With BMW EV’s it may be different but regardless my new Tesla will be here in a few days so I no longer care😛
@@Skyking6976 I hope you like your new Tesla. If i had to buy an EV a Tesla would be my choice, they only make EV's and i think that no matter what happens with the demand for EV's , Tesla will still be here, i doubt that many of the brands from China will survive for long.
Do you have a Mini? I would love to get feed back. I have wanted one but my mechanic son say a resounding NO for Mini and BMW. Have they improved? Are repairs and maintenance costly. How about simply finding a mechanic?
Consumers Reports - I always found them pretty good to read actually - back in the day I was in charge of the washing machines and ours were Maytag and they always like them and - I think they are long gone - Speed Queen -- I think that was it, but they were often more commercial buyers I think. Anyway, JD Power and CR - I have heard that people have their favorites - the downside to CR is that they do not use first hand data - and they take a polling from their subscribers and OVER LAY - just like we all like to do when we are talking about "what it means good or bad" with editorial comment. So one could say it is working off "reputation" mixed with perhaps "who subscribes to your magazine to be polled" (demographic skewing) going on. That said, I like their evaluations TO READ but they often conclude in their numbers not to an exact match - so I remember a Camry they had that just was terrible - had to be towed even - but they concluded (probably correctly) that they had either a previously abused or "one off" bad car - but I remember thinking - "I'm not so sure if that was a Dodge you would have had the same positive tone.".
Why wouldn't you personally not want to own a mini after the warranty plz let me know because I'm considering getting a manual drive mini by the end of the year. PLEASE & THANK YOU
How does Mini rank so much higher than BMW, when it has a BMW engine? I researched the hell out of Minis as my next car. I finally decided against it when a Mini mechanic told me all the service id need at 60k due to all the plastic bits leaking oil. I actually went with a brand everyone thinks is garbage but secretly isnt, Alfa Romeo
No surprise that Mazda are in the list. Well, no surprise to the rest of the world anyway. And absolutely no surprise that there isn’t a single U.S. manufacturer in there anywhere.
Hyundai/Kia spend a lot of money on advertising. Stay away from any BMW made in Austria, my X3 was complete garbage but my Germany made 325Xi was perfect.
You’ve got to understand that their scores are based on their subscriber surveys. Who knows their subscriber base? For all we know, they might be shills and employees of the top brands. Honestly, it’s hard to rely on these rankings nowadays as the data is prone to error and manipulation.
Toyota fans and forums are flipping over quality on the trucks. Apperently, they dropped significantly in build quality and that tightness of trim etc that seperated them from American brands.
We all know the most reliable car is the Ford Maverick. It's built ford tough- in Mexico. I'm voting for Cumalot Harris- she'll keep making AMerica great.
I have a 2008 Honda CRV made in Japan purring at 230000. I have a 2016 made in America, regularly maintained, Honda Odyssey that needed a 3 piston job ($5000) in 2024at 71000miles.What we see in CR is the list of a bunch of now crappy cars from world companies run by people with business majors who would not be able to change a flat tire by themselves.
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It's not clear what you were mentioning at the end of your video re CarEdge. Is this a sales platform such as CarMax and you are discussing your warranty. More details!
Hi @@mamat792, CarEdge is not a sales platform like CarMax. Instead, it's a service that provides tools and resources to help consumers make informed decisions when buying, selling, or leasing vehicles. Our platform offers insights, data, and advice to ensure you get the best possible deal. For more details on our services and how we can assist you, visit caredge.com.
Agreed.
When I think about reliability, I'm thinking about a car that always starts and doesn't break down mechanically. You get where you're going. I think CR's ratings include "annoying" things that don't leave you stranded, like infotainment issues, or other electronic bugs. Yes, those matter, but for me, if you aren't stranded on the side of the road, your car is reliable.
Exactly. Reliability should be thought of as whether I can 'rely' on a vehicle to get me where I plan to go when I need it. Along with that should go how easy and affordable is it to fix when it can't get me there. For all the other weaknesses of EVs (cost, range, charging availability), reliability should be one of their key features. I'm getting older and I'm looking for something that I can buy new, keep for a decade plus, and which will be least likely to leave me stranded at the side of the road.
CR has been shown to be a paid sham, much like the BBB , take the data with a grain of salt.
Electronics are integral.
However, the data can be searched for the things you prioritize and ranked accordingly if you choose to.
@@craiggourley8703 Totally agree.
But in a BEV, the electronics are so complex (because of the software - impossible not to have glitches - and because of the hundreds of additional connections between the accumulators in the battery) and so easy to malfunction, that there is no wonder that their segment is rated #16 for reliability (#17 being the last position, the least reliable).
Therefore, if you want the luxury wealthy people are looking for (like no waste of time - directly related to reliability, comfort etc.) buy the most reliable, low TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) cars [like Lexus, #1 in reliability and #3 in low TCO], not those with top features, whistles etc. (they will malfunction a lot, just look how Mercedes deepen in reliability during this century to #29 because of the electronics).
That’s true for most of the vehicles released before the pandemic. But most vehicles now unfortunately have the climate controls only in the infotainment screen. Some GM vehicles even have the headlights only controllable by the infotainment screen. Fortunately though, not all manufacturers are following this trend.
#1 Lexus 79
#2 Toyota 76
#3 Mini 71
#4 Acura 70
#5 Honda 70
#6 Subaru 69
#7 Mazda 67
#8 Porsche 66
#9 BMW 64
#10 Kia 61
GOAT
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BMW>merc>audi
@@G82Watts, Bring My Wallet is indeed better than the other two, but Porsche > BMW.
But Audi (#19 in reliability) > Merc (#29). It was indeed the other way in the last century.
The way I screamed when you said MINI. I will never own another MINI. Primadonna of a vehicle.
Please remember that, unlike actual product testing that Consumer Reports does on numerous items, the reliability ratings offered by them on vehicles is largely just a accumulation of individual experiences and opinions consolidated from their semi-annual surveys. Past performance is not a guarantee of future results; Your results may vary.
And it only polls their readers, many of whom do not respond. I used to subscribe to Consumer Reports, and I never answered any of their polls. I did not have time.
I experienced something July 12 at a Toyota dealer that I've never seen before.
I was told "it's against Toyota's policy to write a Bill of Sale to allow a customer to get outside financing".
And yes I walked!
Cool story, bro
I work for a large Credit Union and we do lots of loans for Toyota Dealers, yes new Toyotas. You may want to contact the state attorney general consumer division, maybe the Federal Trade Commission too.
you know how to tell car salesmen are lying their lips are moving
Mazda moved back because they've introduced like 3 new models in the last few years. Usually the most problems a vehicle will have show up in the first couple years of manufacturing.
This can't be it because CR listed both the cx-30 and the cx-50 as very reliable. Infact in 2021 or 2022 they listed the cx30 as THE MOST reliable subcompact suv. The only one that could've affected this score would be the cx90, but even the cx90 didn't have that many problems to set mazda this far back. Either more people are reporting problems with Mazda in general or CR is being financially influenced to have particular brands in a particular order.
@@alb0zfinestToo many models now. No focus.
My 2002 Subaru Forester has 205,000 miles and is still going strong! I have kept up with maintenance, and was happy to find a family owned, very reputable mechanic who has fair prices. I have had some age related repairs, but find costs are less than payments and insurance for a brand new car. When time comes, another Subaru will be my choice.
A reputable mechanic is more than half the battle.
I have a 2013 crosstrek and never had a problem i have 95000 miles and yes i keep up on maintain everything never had any major issues im looking for a outback now
I gave up on CR years ago .. many times I found their ratings way off of reality.
100%
CR is just full of BS...they have been for a long time. IDK why some people still rely on their recommendations.
I always thought they are a bit prejudicial to how brands were 15 years ago, rather than looking solely at new information. I never understand how they grade a certain Japanese carmaker as handling well when they are boring to drive. soft ride, but boring.
As I recall, their ratings are based on surveys of owners who happen to be subscribers to CR. Makes it kind of incestuous if that's true and not a valid sample.
@@ducktails1695 you know it’s only the “olds” who read magazines.
Prior to 2020 I have never owned or thought about owning a Subaru. I was Toyota/Nissan for life. When the ridiculous price hike started, Subaru was the ONLY company/dealership that did not add 10-15 k to every MSRP. Since 2020 we have bought 4 and had zero issue. We have The Impreza sport, Impreza wagon, forester and the Ascent. Subaru for me has been great and a great value.
You see, things change and now you are happy with Subaru. So am I with a Miata ND2, Suzuki Jimny, Lexus hybrid (I used to have also a Honda Civic 2 decades ago, but meanwhile Honda's reliability went down a little).
CR is fine if you take the weighted average for the last few years, and then you get also the other "comets" (like Hyundai, Audi, Infiniti, Buick, RAM, Dodge clunkers) out of the Top 10 reliability, that has at the top only Japanese top brands:
#1 Lexus
#2 Toyota
#3 Mazda
#4 Honda
#5 Acura
#6 Subaru
Outside of the USA you get Suzuki and Mitsubishi in Top 10 too.
Same. Was always a Toyota guy until my last experience at the Toyota Dealership. Subarus reliability has improved in the last 5 or 6 years. Last month I became a Forester owner.
Why so many?!?!
😂. Myself, 2 kids and wife.
My family has had 5 Subarus in a row. We've had great results on 4/5. Head gaskets were bad on a 2010 but 2 old and 2 new Subarus have been as rugged and reliable as advertised.
I find it hard to believe that mini is 3rd.
Nobody is buying them and they are all sitting in the dealers' lot.
I have one, they are very solid cars. Build quality is fantastic. Would 100% recommend an F60 or F54 as a fast, versatile daily driver. Don't buy an R-series Mini unless you are financially prepared to spend a ton of money on it. But the F-series cars are damn near perfect.
own 2021 BMW X5 with more than 70,000 miles on it , changed engine oil and filter every 5000 miles not 10, and so far
no even small issue on the car , total expense on the top of the regular maintenance , set of tires ,$2100 and 60,000 miles
factory warranty for under $ 2000 ,
love the car and still runs like dream , totally agree with consumer report
Mazda seems to have fixed the issue with the bearing design in their six speed auto. If the price is right, i’d trade my 2017 Mazda 3 for a 2024 Mazda 3 or CX-5. Mine was built in Mexico and other than the transmission (not specific to Mexico), the car has been great. Mazda dealerships are surprisingly easy to deal with for routine maintenance, and pricing for service is not bad at all.
the only thing I can add to this is that Toyota are way easier to work on than BMWs according to car mechanics this means repairs or service done outside of warranty will cost you way less
thus the more than double extended warranty, parts are probably more expensive too but having to almost remove the engine to change the battery and stuff like that are BMW specialty
He said this at the end of the video
Mazda has the new cx90 which I think hurt them a bit. Any time there’s a new model there’s things to work through. It’s an all new powertrain.
The Toyota ranking at #2 will certainly suffer because of the massive issues they dealing with in their new trucks. Engine and transmission problems and failures have been horrendous, as many videos on RUclips have noted. Another case of a company trying to satisfy unreasonably stringent government mandates for fleet mileage improvements by making smaller, more complex, turbocharged engines and gas saving adjustments to transmissions.
The Tundra was ruined when they went to a V-6. Always amazing to me how manufacturers can mess up a great product.
@@carlsanders7824government mandates forced them into induction engines like every other manufacturer. Watch any of their engineer videos to see what I mean.
Title says "SHOCKING" but 3rd sentence said is, "No huge surprises". 😂 Such an honest man. That's America for ya! 😂
I just had a salesman come unglued because I found that the bed of a new 2024 Ford F150 STX was installed crooked. It should be an easy fix, right? Even the sales Manager thought so.
Where are these dealers finding these people?
It’s terrible to be talked to in such a rude way! I just pointed it out.
Ford quality on it's premiere vehicle---the F150, has been going downhill for years.
Take away: Tech that's been around awhile, tons of cheap plastic, ridiculously high prices. When an "affordable" vehicle starts at 30K and above, too many are priced out of a new car.
I have a 2019 Mini Countryman S. Wonderful car. People sleep on Mini because they had some quality issues prior to 2013, but since then they are on their game. Are you paying more in maintenance, yeah. But driving a Camry around (even a really nice Camry) won't put a smile on your face like bombing around in a Mini will. Well worth it to me!
I have a 2015 Kia Optima. Just passed 100k miles and so far zero mechanical problems.
I have a 2018 Kia Optima S with a 2.4 L engine. I currently have 192,760 Mi on it. Other than having to top off the oil it has really been a great car and I hope to get another 50,000 Mi out of it. It still runs and looks great but my sunroof no longer works but I'm okay with that. The AC is still ice cold and it still performs great doesn't make any weird noises. it has never overheated or stalled on me. I have replaced the alternator twice, one new battery and one new CV axle and a hub assembly surely due to a pothole that also damaged the tire. Parts are plentiful and reasonably priced.
A month and a half ago, I bought a used Forester with 74,000 miles at the time. So far it has been an excellent car.
I have owned a Mini since 2009, my last purchase is a 2015 Mini, after 9 years, I had no problems with it, except for a belt that snapped. So, I am very satisfied.
Go with what you like and what your gut tells you. Everyone has a story to shoot down a specific vehicle or a vehicle their whole family owned for 300k miles with no issues. Look at what you like, drive it, and go with your gut.
My wife's 2008 Pt Cruiser Turbo has been extremely reliable and total cost of ownership is .45 cents per mile. Still runs great, carries a ton of stuff, and is fun to drive.
To be fair, reliability solely examines the unlikelihood of a breakdown. It does not consider the cost should a breakdown occur, nor the maintenance costs.
I loved my BMW but expect to be gouged after the warranty expires! Lease or get the factory extended warranty.
My Hondas & Toyotas have been trouble free.
thanks well done info,,, and i like when you cover a subject in under 10 minutes
I don’t think any modern vehicle is that reliable. Too much tech and too many changes too quickly.
Very true.
Sadly, I agree
You can thank government emissions and CAFE standards for that.
In terms of mileage you'd expect a car to last around 200,000 mile. Average lifespan of 12 years.
In 1970s the average was around 100,000 miles. Clearly the average lifespan of cars have vastly improved compared to 50 years ago. BUT there's been a slight decline since the mid 2010s among many top brands as they have to meet increasingly strict emission standards. In order to meet fuel efficiency and emission standards, car manufacturers are producing smaller engines that are turbocharged. Naturally aspirated engines are getting more and more uncommon. Also many brands are adopting CVT transmissions. This includes brands like Honda, Toyota and Kia etc.. These transmissions are notoriously unreliable, especially in the case of Nissan. Ever since Honda introduced CVTs and smaller turbocharged engines, their reliability score plummeted. For instance the reliability score was below market average for the 2016 Honda Civic, while in 2014 it was one of the most reliable cars on the market.
Chevrolet definitely became less reliable over the past decade (with exceptions). But yes it seems like cars have become slightly less reliable in recent years
The Toyota Yaris is my car of choice. I've owned mine since 2003, and even after over 206,000 miles it's still going strong, and has cost me very little to maintain over the years.
I agree, I’m saddened that my kiddo got into a motor vehicle with it and totaled it. It was great in gas mileage and maintenance costs were so damn cheap. Wish they would’ve kept making it
Kia ? BMW ? Mini ?? Are you kidding me ??? Consumer reports has ZERO credibility
Agree with Kia, BMW, Mini bs.
But zero means something else than you believe. It would mean that Toyota/Lexus, Acura/Honda, Mazda, Subaru etc. are far away from where they were placed by the CR subscribers' data. Which is not the case.
That's why I am using the weighted average for the CR annual reliability surveys, thus eliminating the bs with Mini, BMW, Kia etc.
i have a 2008 Honda CRV made in Japan purring at 230000. I have a 2016 made in America, regularly maintained, Honda Odyssey that needed a 3 piston job ($5000) in 2024at 71000miles. What we see in CR is the list of a bunch of now crappy cars from world companies run by people with business majors who would not be able to change a flat tire by themselves.
Well I own 3 Kia’s and 2 Hyundais since 2012 they have been the most reliable cars have owned. One of the Hyundais I still own has 150k not a problem. I am 54 and have owned Honda and Toyota before and they are reliable but the Korean seems to have less problems
It's a compilation of the data from the readers. They have more credibility than any other service out there.
Not knowing the source data so that you can give your anecdotal blurb is the issue.
They’re kidding you
Most reliable? Bring back the 1980's Toyota Tercel! 😊
hell yes, had an '84 one with manual. That thing was indestructible until it got t boned. ( they were thin metal and didn't weight much but they would last forever )
Toyota did bring the Tercel back. At first it was called the Echo and then from 2006 to 2018 they were called the Yaris. The 1NZ-FE engine used in them is well known to last 1 million miles.
I agree with Ray on not owning a Mini past the manufacture warranty period & I would also add a host of other vehicles to that list such as the new Toyota Trucks (or any manufacturer) & SUV's with turbo engines & any EV mode, these modern cars have become so incredibly expensive to repair it can potentially crack & scramble the average guy's bank account to pay for some of these repairs out of pocket!
I listened to CR once. I bought a Subaru Outback-my first brand-new vehicle. I haven't had to take a car into the shop that often since my 1987 Chrysler Lebaron. It was just one thing after another. I would say that I just got a lemon, but once I researched the specific issues, I saw that many of the problems were systemic. I do not trust CR's rankings so much after that.
The new Crown Signia is the reliable Outback that Subaru should have built.
I've also had less than stellar experience with products highly rated by CR. While I don't consider them dishonest, I do believe they've just become too political and too involved in other things to do proper, long term reporting on products. And, much of the time, the products the do review aren't what is available any longer either. Especially in electronics.
Lemons happen. Unfortunately it happened to you
TOP 10 CAR BRANDS MOST RELIABLE CARS
10. KIA 5. SUBARU FORESTER
9. BMW 4. BMW X5
8. PORSCHE 3. TOYOTA RAV 4 PRIME
7. MAZDA 2. TOYOTA CAMRY
6. SUBARU 1. TOYOTA 4RUNNER
5. HONDA
4. ACURA
3. MINI
2. TOYOTA
1. LEXUS
+ 11. BUICK…. 12. INFINITY
I have a 2021 4Runner! And I’m keeping it.
KIA's 2023 Forte I'm leasing has had no issues to date. At this point with Chevy, GMC, Chrysler, and Ford, it was one issue after another after a few months.
Surprised by Kia. My son had a Hyundai Sonata. The engine blew. Smoke pouring out under the hood. It was some kind of factory defect.
My son has a Mazda 3. Great car.
My BMW is a great car. It is a 5-series.
However, I have seen car guys say to stay away from the BMW X5.
How much are you getting paid to lie about Hyundai? Disgruntled former Hyundai employee obviously.
@@RedEyeCKorean fanboi 😂
X5 and "reliable" in a sentence without the word "not" is unbelievable.
Hyundai and Kia have improved dramatically cars are pretty good now
I have a 2019 kia and 2006 BMW and have been good to me.
Mini??? I love the look and drive, and I've owned one; but won't purchase another until they begin sourcing engines and transmissions from Honda or Toyota. 😁
I owned three Subarus and all of them had problems with head gaskets and a host of many other problems. I'm always perplexed by consumer reports. Consumer reports was always ragging on Saab before it went out of business, my Saab 9-5 was the most reliable vehicle I ever owned.
The Odessey and the Forester are my new car considerations
I’d love to get a Pacifica as it’s the best looking minivan out there but I’m skeptical about its reliability. I see a somewhat negative view but if haven’t found too much to go off of.
I want a long term vehicle so I don’t think it’s the best option but if it doesn’t give huge headaches, maybe it’s a decent option.
In the end, I just want to know if it’s a vehicle I can add or cross out from my list of considerations.
a man recently commented that his son's girlfriend ( engineer )'was working for a major American auto manufacturer and she ended up quitting because her bosses told her that she could no longer design parts / systems for vehicles that would last way beyond the term of the warranty
Sure. And I have a friend who's FIL is an attorney who says that...........
BMW loyalist. I've owned 3 x5's and 1 x6. The quality and reliability outperforms every luxury car made.
Over what period of time and how much mileage did you put on them?
Owned both BMW and Mercedes, Merc far greater reliablity, change oil every 5 k and it’s mostly normal wear and tear. Services are more expensive but you need to accept that going in. Best car I ever owned was a 2014 CLS 550 that to this day I wish I still owned.
@@nhhammer8782well mercedes is 24th on the list and bmw top 10. So no. Ur factually wrong.
@@G82Watts I’m never wrong I don’t need a crappy list either when it comes to buying cars I like and enjoy, good day sir.
Mechanics wouldn't agree with this list beyond 1,2, Subaru, and Mazda. 🤔
Correct.
Top 10. There arent even 10 reliable vehicle manufacturers so naturally ypud have to have things like Kia there.
Agree, Kia, Hyundai, BMW, Mini are not at all in Top 10.
There are at least 8 reliable Japanese brands, if you add Suzuki and Mitsubishi (stronger outside US).
Be Clear. CR's recommendations are based on surveys- real world users. It's not really what "they" recommend.
I haven’t seen the report, but doesn’t CR do their reliability score based on actual owner ratings? It would make sense to be a bit off if more people responded from one segment or another. They stopped asking me about my 2007 Accord many years ago, but it’s still hanging in there after 17 years with zero major issues. In fact the first issue I ever had with non maintenance items happened 2 years ago with an O2 sensor finally going out . And the headliner is finally threatening to give out. ( and that’s probably because I can’t garage the car )
If this isn’t a reliability testimonial I don’t know what is
How many miles? V6 or 4-cyl?
I don't put much stock in CR. Toyota/Lexus Honda/Acura BMW/Mini are the same. Toyota has a stake in Mazda and Subaru. They had to put them somewhere on the list. There for a while, they were real big on KIA/Hyundai until they starting catching on fire. Who's pocket got lined with cash on that one?
I just got rid of a 2022 Tucson. The only thing worse than Hyundai are their dealers. Of course trading in a 3 year old car is never going to be a good financial decision but the residual value was terrible but it was also a terrible car. The feeling I got turning in those keys was well worth the cost. I will never buy another Hyundai/Kia ever again.
My 2016 Tuscon was a total POS. I will never purchase a Hyundai or Kia again. Absolute garbage vehicles.
I'd like to see the list next year since Toyota has brought out reworked versions of their Tacoma, Tundra, and Camry. I'm betting they start dropping down the list.
It’s interesting what Consumer Reports comes up with. I like seeing their ratings. Do I put any stock in their findings? None whatsoever. Bought their top rated Kennmore washer and it was the biggest piece of crap I ever had.
My 2009 Mini Cooper was a lemon. It cost me over $14,000 in repairs after my warranty expired. I probably lost a few of my receipts, so it may have been more.
Lol at the table @ 2:06. What has any Stellantis brand done recently that warrants raising their prices THAT much??
You two guys are awesome. Smart, truthful and accurate. However I have a question. I own a 2006 Highlander with only 104,000KM. No rust anywhere. Interior is still mint. Runs perfect. Should I upgrade or keep it? Some voices say this is one of the best Toyotas ever made. Is this true?
I'd keep the one you have now. I have a 2005 Toyota Tundra with 110,000 miles. I just keep up with maintenance, and keep my undercarriage and main frame undercoated every year before winter. As long as the body of your vehicle is rock solid with no rust, and you keep up on maintenance keep your vehicle. Why spend money you don't need to unless you get a super fantastic trade in value on your Highlander.
Keep it!
My Kia Forte has 200500 miles!! I'm hoping the market gets figured out before her end of life
I love my '19 Forte LXS!
I had to drive a 2024 Forte when I rented a rental car recently. Sorry - not a good vehicle.
@@cynthiaivers1708 - they saw you coming and threw a monkey wrench into the engine. My '19 Forte is immaculate.
If KIA and Hyundai are on this list, I'm going to vomit! April Fool's has already passed this year. There's only 5. And two of those are the luxury divisions of other brands. Honda, Toyota, Mazda, Acura, Lexus. You want a headache-free co-existence with your ride, buy one of those!
Fully agree.
Plus Suzuki and Mitsubishi outside the USA.
That is not always true these days for Honda and Toyota.
@@Jan96106, yep, nothing is perfect. Anybody claiming that would be right.
Still, the Japanese brands dominate the best cars tops (reliability, low TCO Total= Cost of Ownership, thus resale value etc.).
They do not have the performance at the level of a Bring My Wallet, a Porsche or more costly supercars, but their purchase cost is at least few times smaller and their TCO is just a small fraction of those expensive cars.
CarEdge Warranty Quotes - 2017 Corolla only shows up to 48K, vehicle has 58K. 2023 Santa Fe Hybrid doesn't even give me a price.
JP Power recently released the most reliable makes over the past 4 years. Chevrolet was in #2. They are not in the top 10 here.
Hard to figure out.
Different criterion. The JP Power reports are generally covering very short term. Like 100 days or first year of ownership.
That's a problem with "articles" from anyone these days. Stats are thrown around with lots of qualitative analysis. But the actual factors measured are barely mentioned.
We live in a 30 second soundbite world and most people are too lazy to think beyond that. That's why we also commonly see correlation offered as proof of causation. And the public eats that up without a second thought.
@@tharais Agreed totally. But this was a 4 year review.
In a world where people think men can have babies CR list do nothing for me. I buy Toyotas and Hondas only because of their reliability we have experienced.
My last 2000 Accord i have spent maybe 5000 on repairs in 24 years and it still runs great. My 1985 toyota pickup I don't think will ever stop running.
The CR list comes from people like us, have a little faith. Or even better, trust a real science (not like the invented ones, for men having babies) like statistics and use the weighted average for the last few years of CR annual reliability surveys. Then the rankings will be quite close to reality:
#1 Lexus
#2 Toyota
#3 Mazda
#4 Honda
#5 Acura
#6 Subaru
Plus Suzuki and Mitsubishi outside USA.
Minus the "meteoric" appearances of the German, Korean, American clunkers...
we've had 5 hyundai and been very happy with the vehicles. your experience may vary.
Did you win the fight you got into?
The new KIA K5 ‘24’ - 25’ seems good too on the car reports
Had terrible experience with 2 brand new Hondas.... a 1999 Accord & 2011 Pilot. Also had bad luck with a Mid-2000s Civic I bought used from a coworker. Had tremendously good track record with BMW stuff. Drove the wheels off an X5 for nearly 10 years with nothing but basic maintenance on it & driving a fairly current BMW X vehicle now for pushing 3 years that also exists as a Mini product. Absolutely ZERO issues... not even a hint of a rattle in the thing. Things change over time, such as a maker of automobiles reliability, but people ride their perceptions almost forever & can't be told otherwise. Right now I have products from Ford, Toyota, BMW, & Audi in our family's stable & the German stuff has been tremendously awesome to us for a long time.
When I look around on the roads there's still tons of 25 year old Hondas driving on the road with 200K+ miles. 25 year old BMW and Audi: almost nonexistant.
@@daveclark8337Not surprising as there were lots more Hondas on the road 25 years ago than either BMWs or Audis. (The German brands were much more of a "niche" automobile back then). And yes, the German brands' quality back then wasn't as good as Honda's. (In fact, I can't say that Audi's reliability is so great even now). I've driven mostly BMWs since 1998 and had only one reliability issue in all that time. I have noticed that the BMWs I've owned since 2017 do seem to be put together better than the ones previous to that.
If Toyota and Lexus fall in the rankings next year, then Mini will move up to #1. Congrats Ray!
BMW = Big Money Worries
Better motoring worldwide perhaps
U kidding me ? Get with the times. Bmw and porsche are better then audi and merc3des
@@G82Watts ask Scotty
You keep saying "Consumer reports *thinks* " but the ratings in this case are compiled from reader surveys, not editorial opinion.
Can you guys do a video on PDI checks, for new as well as used cars?
BMW smashing audi and mercedes is the key point here. We already knew porsche was 👑
BMW x5 FTW. You got pay if you want to play. I'll pay for the performance.
Owning any brand of new cars outside the waranty is taking a risk
Even Toyota are now having similar issues to Kia/Hyundai.
Ford are having to cover wet belt failures, the list goes on and on.
As for the BMW Mini, if i look out of my back bedroom window in the distance
i can see a compond full of them all with failed 1.6 engines or electrical issues
that the owner can't afford to pay for.
I wouldn't touch any car from Germany with a barge pole!
Our BMW i3 lease is up in a month and over the 3 years it has been PERFECT. The dealership did call midway through the lease and said please bring it in. The service center needs to make SOMETHING on the car…so I did.
What do you drive
@@Skyking6976 They are designed to last until the warranty expires, then owning one
without an extended warranty is pushing your luck.
@@Barbarapape I agree on ICE BMW’s that I’ve leased in the past. With BMW EV’s it may be different but regardless my new Tesla will be here in a few days so I no longer care😛
@@Skyking6976 I hope you like your new Tesla.
If i had to buy an EV a Tesla would be my choice, they only make EV's and i think that no matter what happens with the
demand for EV's , Tesla will still be here, i doubt that many of the brands from China will survive for long.
Do you have a Mini? I would love to get feed back. I have wanted one but my mechanic son say a resounding NO for Mini and BMW. Have they improved? Are repairs and maintenance costly. How about simply finding a mechanic?
Where is Nissan’s, I’ve owned them for years, never had an issue with my Rogues or Sentra. Wow, I don’t understand. Maybe I should shop around !
I like and WOW amazing TY so much ,,Keep up the great work
Consumers Reports - I always found them pretty good to read actually - back in the day I was in charge of the washing machines and ours were Maytag and they always like them and - I think they are long gone - Speed Queen -- I think that was it, but they were often more commercial buyers I think. Anyway, JD Power and CR - I have heard that people have their favorites - the downside to CR is that they do not use first hand data - and they take a polling from their subscribers and OVER LAY - just like we all like to do when we are talking about "what it means good or bad" with editorial comment. So one could say it is working off "reputation" mixed with perhaps "who subscribes to your magazine to be polled" (demographic skewing) going on. That said, I like their evaluations TO READ but they often conclude in their numbers not to an exact match - so I remember a Camry they had that just was terrible - had to be towed even - but they concluded (probably correctly) that they had either a previously abused or "one off" bad car - but I remember thinking - "I'm not so sure if that was a Dodge you would have had the same positive tone.".
The new Mazdas with the 8 speed transmission are having problems.
Bought a Honda made in Thailand and it started to rust after the factory guarantee, sold it after 5 years...
Is the Mitsubishi a good vehicle?
Wow I own a Kia it is a 2016 and I really haven't had any issues it has been a good car but it keeps me worried
Why wouldn't you personally not want to own a mini after the warranty plz let me know because I'm considering getting a manual drive mini by the end of the year. PLEASE & THANK YOU
How does Mini rank so much higher than BMW, when it has a BMW engine? I researched the hell out of Minis as my next car. I finally decided against it when a Mini mechanic told me all the service id need at 60k due to all the plastic bits leaking oil. I actually went with a brand everyone thinks is garbage but secretly isnt, Alfa Romeo
No surprise that Mazda are in the list. Well, no surprise to the rest of the world anyway. And absolutely no surprise that there isn’t a single U.S. manufacturer in there anywhere.
CR data probably collected before the Toyota Tundra engine and other very recent Toyota issues.
Check Long Term Quality Index. Mini comes in dead last.
I'd love to see what data they are using to calculate these rankings.
Owner surveys
Hyundai/Kia spend a lot of money on advertising. Stay away from any BMW made in Austria, my X3 was complete garbage but my Germany made 325Xi was perfect.
Never really put much store in CR for any products.
If Dodge, Jeep or Chrysler is on this list, it’s fake news………...Phew! It’s real news :)
You’ve got to understand that their scores are based on their subscriber surveys. Who knows their subscriber base? For all we know, they might be shills and employees of the top brands.
Honestly, it’s hard to rely on these rankings nowadays as the data is prone to error and manipulation.
I've heard that the Toyota Corolla is the most popular ice car in the world and it didn't make the list? Why not?
CONsumer Rep. fills their lists w/ "donors."
Toyota fans and forums are flipping over quality on the trucks. Apperently, they dropped significantly in build quality and that tightness of trim etc that seperated them from American brands.
We all know the most reliable car is the Ford Maverick. It's built ford tough- in Mexico. I'm voting for Cumalot Harris- she'll keep making AMerica great.
🙄 dear Lord Help Us
I figured the Corolla would be on that list for sure.
Kia/ Hyundai are getting better with their reliability. They are now in the top ten instead of near the bottom of the list.
Park outside a BMW dealer and watch their cars come in on flatbed trucks all day long. Pitiful
I have a 2008 Honda CRV made in Japan purring at 230000. I have a 2016 made in America, regularly maintained, Honda Odyssey that needed a 3 piston job ($5000) in 2024at 71000miles.What we see in CR is the list of a bunch of now crappy cars from world companies run by people with business majors who would not be able to change a flat tire by themselves.