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That is certainly a problem with paternity fraud. That doesn't solve the problem for those men what want to opt of parental responsibility and child support.
@@bwillan that's what abortion should be for, if the dad doesn't consent to be father, the mother should be left alone with the kid, without help by the state
@@bwillan The government will never allow it because they are bearing the burden of financial responsibility for single parents, mostly mothers. The government wants reimbursement for the money spent on these children. Were they to allow men to opt out, they would have no incentive to support the single mother households which would be a disaster now as it is. I kind of want that to happen though because maybe women would rethink giving access to these bums who won't support their children without negative reinforcement from Uncle Sam.
What an absurd notion. Clearly, you're not a parent 😂 I totally understand paternity testing before court ordering child support but at birth for every child makes zero sense.
During covid they started doing court trials over zoom and I got hooked on watching them. It’s shocking how unfair the family court is and I had no idea until I started watching to court live streams
@@superBrainwayne they’re on RUclips. They just got recommended to me but I’m sure if you search “family court livestream” or something along those lines you’ll get them. You can see a lot more than just family court too
It's not about men being "more involved" It's about: 1) not reproducing with the kind of men who wouldn't be, 2) not allowing ♀ to break up the homes and 3) the laws to reflect equality and no misandry (at _bare minimum_ ) Doens't solve the overall solution though, only _absolute monogamy under patriarchal dominance_ will save society , otherwise, just enjoy the decline.
Men have no rights in fatherhood at all ! that's the law in the UK. I quote the judge in my case when my wife and I fought over joint custody " Mr James I am sure you are caring and loving father but due too your wife's unreasonable behaviour I cannot make a joint custody order work. I therefor award full Custody & Control to your wife !" . I was just the money bag and any future partner would also be expected to pay towards our child. The State in the form of the CSA has also been allowed to give all personal data of my second wife and myself to my first wife, National insurance numbers, pay numbers employment numbers bank accounts incomes and savings. There was no way of recompense even under DATA protection acts ! Men in the UK have no rights over their children ! Even Midwives are taught, a child is always better off with the mother. I '' ll let you guess how well that turned out for our child ! If you think it all ends when the child reaches 18 yrs you are wrong it's their 19th birthday and if they go too University you still have to contribute may be to the age of 24 yrs !
forced to pay child support beyond age 18 is absurd especially if unmarried. so unmarried dads have no rights and married dads have some rights and more responsibilities.
@@Kenan-ZI'm glad you asked! The first issue is that the child did not consent to it, and it can simply do it at adulthood. Next, it can have a negative impact on your se x life. It reduces natural lubricant, makes it dry, reduces sensitivity, reduce pleasure in 10% of men according to one research. And there's a 1/10000 chance of serious complications, less serious infections, in some cases can be fatal, and so on... And all this can simply be prevented, by not doing an unnecessary facultative primarily 'cosmetic' surgery on a 'baby'. Compare this with the STD research made in Africa which can mostly be explained by lack of hygiene and bad sanitation on those parts of the continent.
One and a half decade ago I saw someone in a 9GAG comment section say he's both pro-abortion but anti-paper abortion and he just admitted that he wanted men to be held more liable and have less choices for the exact same choices as women, no matter how people tried to explain to him how it's unfair he was just like "so what? Deal with it!" that's society's general attitude towards men and boys.
When I first preached the male perspective of "consenting to sex isn't consenting to pregnancy" to a feminist I worked with (years ago), she recognized this systemic double standard but dismissed it with "too bad." So, guys, if you don't want the kid, you literally have to run.
Lol. If you consent to sex, by nature you re consenting to the possibility that a pregnancy can occur. What happens after that is all dependent upon the characters and principles of the consenting individuals involved. Good luck 😂
@@KriB510 Aren't BOTH people consenting to potential pregnancy then? However, it seems one person has more rights to mitigate or eliminate the pregnancy. If SHE decides the pregnancy goes to term she OBLIGATES him to pay. She never bears any obligation, to society, the father or her unborn child. Responsibility without authority is slavery. But since it's men who are enslaved, true to feminine compassion, you don't care.
Yep, either allow *both* , or allow *neither* , there are no reasons outside of sexist preferential treatment to do one and not the other. Cmon ladies, _EQUALITY_ 😏
I've found it pathetic that Men who want to be a father have no rights but if she keeps it he pays for 18 years. I say this cause my son had a fiance that chose out of fear at 5 months to kill my Grandson Brantley. No relationship issues, no health issues, just I don't want to be a parent in the 11 hour. It's sad that he could just take responsibility an her walk away. Abortion as a form of birth control is sick. 😢 I know my Grandson felt it. 😡 No body talks about "His" body and what she did to him
Dejo un vistazo general: *Derechos reproductivos y elección después de la concepción:* La discusión comienza cuestionando si los hombres tienen derechos reproductivos, especialmente en el contexto del debate sobre el aborto y la elección proactiva. Se plantea que, a diferencia de las mujeres, los hombres pierden su capacidad de elección después de la concepción. Esto lleva a la idea de que, mientras que las mujeres tienen varias opciones post-concepción (como la píldora del día después, el aborto, y leyes de refugio seguro), los hombres están obligados a seguir los deseos de la mujer sin tener un papel en la decisión final. *'Aborto de papel' y rendición parental voluntaria:* Se introduce el concepto de "aborto de papel" o "rendición parental voluntaria" como un derecho hipotético para que los hombres renuncien a todos los privilegios y responsabilidades hacia un niño que no desean, siempre y cuando lo declaren temprano en el embarazo y contribuyan a los gastos médicos del parto. Aunque este derecho no existe en la práctica, algunos pro-choice feministas lo apoyan, argumentando que una mujer que toma una decisión unilateral no debería esperar que un hombre financie esa elección. *Implicaciones de la falta de elección para los hombres:* El video explora las consecuencias de no dar a los hombres una opción después de la concepción, sugiriendo que obligar a los hombres a ser padres de niños que no desean puede llevar a problemas similares a los que enfrentan las mujeres forzadas a tener hijos no deseados, como un aumento en la criminalidad y otros problemas sociales. Se plantea si dar más opciones a los hombres podría ayudar a prevenir estos problemas, argumentando que los padres que eligen serlo son más propensos a criar hijos felices y saludables. *Consentimiento y paternidad:* Se cuestiona la idea de que consentir al sexo es consentir a la paternidad, utilizando un lema feminista para argumentar que esto debería aplicarse tanto a hombres como a mujeres. Se mencionan casos en los que los hombres han sido engañados para convertirse en padres o incluso han sido obligados a pagar manutención infantil después de ser víctimas de violación, destacando la complejidad de la cuestión del consentimiento y la responsabilidad parental. *Derechos de custodia y la lucha por la igualdad:* El tema de los derechos de custodia se aborda brevemente, con un enfoque en la presunción de custodia compartida como un ideal que busca nivelar el campo de juego para padres y madres en disputas de custodia. Se menciona la resistencia a esta idea por parte de algunas organizaciones feministas y se señala cómo las leyes en diferentes lugares, como el Reino Unido y Estados Unidos, afectan los derechos de los padres no casados o no reconocidos en el certificado de nacimiento. *Sesgo sistémico y experiencias de los padres:* Se destaca el sesgo sistémico contra los padres en los tribunales de familia, sugiriendo que pasar tiempo fuera de un tribunal de familia y escuchar las historias de los padres puede cambiar la percepción de las personas sobre los derechos reproductivos y de custodia de los hombres. En resumen, el video aborda la complejidad de los derechos reproductivos de los hombres, la falta de elección post-concepción, el concepto de "aborto de papel", las implicaciones sociales de no permitir a los hombres renunciar a la paternidad, y los desafíos en los derechos de custodia. La discusión subraya la necesidad de un debate más amplio y consideración sobre cómo los derechos y responsabilidades reproductivas afectan tanto a hombres como a mujeres, y cómo la igualdad en este ámbito podría ser mejorada. SI QUERES VISITA MI CANAL
This hypothetical reproductive right is one I figured out should exist a couple years ago. It makes sense, it's as fair and equal as it can be with biological reality.
The answer is no, but it's worse than that. Men can have the responsibility for OTHER men's reproductive choices. If you are in a relationship with a single mother, you won't have the right to really parent her kids. You will have the baby daddy mucking up your life and relationship; and if you break up, you can be forced to pay child support, even though the kids aren't yours. The courts have decided that you don't have rights, but have unreasonable responsibilities.
Women automatically having rights to their children makes perfect sense. The baby literally grows inside their bodies. It's only now that we have technologies that make it possible for a woman to be impregnated with a child that isn't genetically theirs. At all previous points in history, if a woman was pregnant, that baby was definitely her genetic offspring. If a man is married, he has an automatic legal right to his wife's children, because he is legally bound to her. She gave him exclusive access to her womb when she married him. So the law assumes he got her pregnant until proven otherwise. But what claim, legal or otherwise does an unmarried man have to the children of any woman he sleeps with? And what would be the basis for giving him one? She could be anything from his random hookup to his live-in fiancee. [Edit: as other commenters reminded me, she could also be a woman he raped]. Which means there's no legal justification for automatically assuming he fathered her child or that he should have a claim to the child [e.g. a rapist may be the bio father but he doesn't deserve parental rights]. Until a paternity test definitively proves it (or the woman he slept with puts his name on the birth certificate) he can't legally claim to be the father. So OF COURSE unmarried men don't have automatic paternity rights.
06:05 In the Netherlands we recently adopted a new law where a father or co-mother (since January 1st, 2023) has all the full rights to a child the moment they recognise it, it's not retroactive but any new recognition means that the mother will have to share any previously exclusive privileges she had.
I had a good friend of mine, who got his girlfriend pregnant. When he found out, he was very excited that he was going to become a father. When she insisted on having an abortion, it devastated him. He was never the same after that.
Nonsense. He just used the situation as a pity party. You know how many men I've seen like male coworkers act happy when the gf finds put she's pregnant and tells her he will be there only for him to change his mind before 9 months are up?
@@kc6810 I can't answer that question. There are many situations in life that beg forethought before it's too late. Like insurances, relationship choices, job selections, locality moves.... The list goes on and on. It was an unfortunate situation, and as I said, he was devastated that he couldn't change her mind about terminating the pregnancy. He did go on to be married to someone else, and have two children in that relationship. I know the girl was also a friend of mine and she never spoke about it to anyone. I am sure though, it must weigh heavy on her conscience.
Would he have been a suitable partner and parent? Many men say they want the child, then later in the pregnancy or after the birth they leave the woman. Then she has to raise tge child.
I live in Kansas, and I work in the legal field, and he’s absolutely correct about the shared custody 50/50 thing. That’s the default for all custody matters and it’s up to the individual parties to make the argument for why the child should not spend half their time with the other parent. I forget that it’s not like that in other places. It just seems like a very good basis to start a custody arrangement from.
Tricky one. I know of 2 women who got pregnant by their longterm boyfriends but basically forced to abort as the guys absolutely did not the children to be born/exist even in the scenario of single motherhood. Neither couple stayed together. One of the women could never conceive again (due to complications after the abortion). I also know of a girl who had a baby after being raped at 14-15 and had no support by anyone, but the 'stigma' of being underaged single mother (as if through own decisions and behaviour) - both her and her child had awful life till eventually emigrating. I only hope for the better. I say - be honest, use protection - both men and women.
@@ДаниялДандамаев-и7ц It absolutely is. This is not even an argument. Any time you have sex with someone, you are consenting to the possibility of creating a child with that person.
Texas laws are WILD when it comes to paternal rights. If a woman is married, the husband is legally the father whether he is the bio father or not. In order to recognize the bio dad as legal father, the husband would have to give up his rights, the mother would have to recognize bio dad AND the bio dad would have to request paternal rights. NO-having the DNA test isn't enough. I kinda get it because I'm sure the courts don't want to be dealing with child custody/rights cases all freaking day AND it gets real messy if the bio father SA'd the woman. But its wild wild west for men. In this area, I have the most sympathy for them cause it truly sucks and I'm not sure how you could make it fair for both parties AND put the child's needs first.
@@dahliaherrod4301 yes, although I'm aware that all regulations will cause harmful scenarios and incentives, I'm realistic about that. Bio parents should be preferred though, I also think men should be relieved of all duties if they do not want the kid, mothers should get paternal consent within the window for abortion
@@priapulida I agree with the paternal consent. I disagree about the duty relief though. I used to feel the same way until I thought about it from the govt perspective. More than likely the single mother will apply for assistance with the federal and state govt who WILL want reimbursement for any benefits paid out on the child's behalf. I don't think it's fair to the taxpayers that we will have to support a woman whose sexual partner refuses to take responsibility for a child he voluntarily helped to create.
@@dahliaherrod4301 nailed it. Why government pushes the burden of single mothers onto men regardless of who is the father. In fact government makes money of child support and matches dollar for dollar the child support agencies collect. In fact judges retirement pensions are funded by the amount of child support they collect. Most people don’t know that
I'll save ya'll the 7 minutes; No, it's always been about *women* and now that they have theirs, they are actively preventing men from getting any (of the equivalent) rights.
Consenting to sex is consenting to parenthood. Reducing sex to the level where it's simply for pleasure, not for propagation of the species, is a disservice to humanity.
Hard agree with that. How can you have unprotected sex and then say "I don't consent to parenthood".... There's exactly one way pregnancy happens. If you don't want parenthood then don't have unprotected sex
@Joekary5 the very act of voluntarily having sex, whether protected or not, inherently acknowledges the possibility of parenthood. Though sex is pleasurable, it's inherent purpose isn't pleasure, it's the creation of offspring.
@@wompa3571 I agree. Which is why it's moronic to me to say "I consent to sex but I don't consent to parenthood". But most especially with unprotected sex. If both parties are using birth control methods the chances of pregnancy are basically zero
@@wanderer5200 That argument makes no sense as in each avenue the woman is still pregnant with a child. Whether she chooses to carry to term or keep the child, she still got pregnant through sex.
Do you think it's wrong for a woman to be TOLD she must remain pregnant for months against her will simply because she had sex - but okay for a man to be TOLD he must pay support for twenty years against his will simply because he had sex? Women should be allowed to choose, and so should men.
A couple of random thoughts. 1. Men under 40 are refused vasectomies but are then criticised for being irresponsible if a condom breaks or are falsely told by the woman that they unable to become pregnant. 2. An unmarried man will be refused the ability to take a child home from a hospital even if the relationship with the mother is amicable with no restrictions on when each can see the child.
Dude it's simple just don't bust in side a woman (condom on or not) until you both want kids. And if you find out your chick doesn't want kids then find another chick.
@@ScottyE515 sperm theft DOES happen. Women also can lie, with impurity about their intentions. I think he is trying to point out the hypocrisy of "my body, my choice" except when it's men and vasectomies. Men don't have reproductive rights, just obligations.
In answer to this question I'd say not with a natural pregnancy, but when we're talking about frozen embryos with IVF for example there are rights. When artificial wombs are a reality men may finally get real reproductive rights.
If men have taken the appropriate precautions to prevent pregnancy then I believe women cannot expect men to just be on board with a pregnancy- I felt this unfairness for a long time and more so now I have boys. Women aren’t forced into parenthood so neither should men be. Although he lost me on his assertion that men become fathers from rape ( presumably) by women🤷♀️
I'm a pro-choice woman, grew up as a child of a 2 divorces. I AGREE with the Presumption of Shared Custody in divorce (also if there's children there should be a REQUIREMENT for post-divorce THERAPY for bth parents and children. If needed to work out co-parenting there should be REQUIRED Mediation, too). As for what "treproductive rights" men have, I think if the coule d NOT marry, men should NOT be liable for child support. If a woman has sole power to decide to have a child--whether the man wants to be a parent or not--she shoould make that deicsion knowing he won't be helping finacially. It's not perfect but it would equalize things in such a way that do not force wmen to ahve children or force them to have an abortion and give men some say-so about the situation
I was surprised that fathers needed mothers consent to give up parental rights, I think men should be able to leave especially if he never wanted the baby
In US “family” courts, it is worse if you were married and want time with your children. You are treated like a sperm donor and a pay check. If you were never married and trying to have time with your kid(s), they actually have some degree of sympathy for the man. It’s sick.
I think the 'paper abortion' should be a thing if there aren't restrictions on abortions. In saying all that, we don't live in a very pro choice country in both the legal and cultural sense so it's kind of impossible to make these arguments. I suspect most men in this audience know they can't advocate for this if they're also advocating for a return to traditional gender roles.
Tired of hearing about women’s bodily autonomy with this upcoming election when men don’t have any - how many of us were circumcised without your consent?
I’ve never understood the argument for why men should have no say on abortion. That child is getting 50% of its DNA from the father, wouldn’t be able to be here without the father, so why would the father get no say over what happens with a child that is just as much his as the mother’s? The argument of “well my body is the one that has to carry” doesn’t really make sense because that is a biological distinction not a social distinction. Men didn’t decide that women would be the ones who carry children. That’s the way we are design. As a father it just breaks my heart for any fathers out there who had to watch as the mother just decided to not have their child and all they could do was watch.
He is wrong about Florida. In June 2023, FS 61 changed where now there IS a (rebuttable) legal presumption where equal timesharing by both parents is in the child’s best interest. This is new. A mother now has the burden of proof to show why a father shouldn’t have as much timesharing as she should (and vice versa, a father would have to show the same if he thinks he should have more time than the mother).
He’s FoS. There was a huge study that showed that women who wanted an abortion but for lack of money or time (within legal limits) were unable to get one, found that later on, they did not regret giving birth to the child. As long as people push the “unwanted=unhappy” line, we won’t advance.
What’s your suggestion ? The man having sie Kind of right towards an abortion? 😂 Regarding parental rights… I can see good arguments for both sites of the argument.
@@paulklopper5841 Sorry, it wasn't clear. I was agreeing with you. This interview just shows how much common sense has disappeared. A person's rights to reproduce happen before pregnancy. The discussion should not be framed as reproductive rights, but as rape victim rights, or (as you mentioned) parental rights, etc.
Men might claim they want the child but reality dictates in most cases further into the pregnancy or after its born the man leaves the woman. Then she has to raise the unwanted child by herself. If the man wants the child would he still take it if it had birth defects? If men want the child it should be a binding contract and accept the child as is.
Why wasn’t her choice to have protected sex or abstain? Why is that the pro-choice argument not end there as it does with the man? It’s like a woman isn’t accountable for engaging in the risky behavior yet a man has no say in losing his child as if his feelings don’t matter.
Men choose if they want a child when they have sex, if theyre having sex and havent had a vasectomy then they are choosing to run the risk of having a baby, if they go ahead then the choice is no longer up to them but the woman. End of story. No contraception is 100%, if you're a woman having sex and dont want kids you need to be aware that you may need to make the decision to terminate or raise a child. The easiest option is dont have sex if youre not prepared to terminate or have a child.
Abandoning a living breathing child is not comparable to aborting a clump of cells that use your own body as a host. These comments are disappointing. Women in poverty abort because they know the life of that child wouldn’t be ideal, they’re in poverty. You cannot compare that to willingly taking away resources from a living child and knowingly putting the child in a worse off situation (Father leaving, not providing income, care ect)
Women could make better choices about who they allow to get them pregnant. Then you have a better relationship for any possible consequences. But you women just ignore that solution.
@@fatmonkey4716 nope I agree. Obviously no one is advocating for reckless sex . But this world is not perfect. Men should know that not every woman believes in abortion , birth control doesn’t always work and pregnancy and childbirth can be deadly for a woman. Child support is not something unknown or a surprise. So given all of that information he should always protect himself . Simple. But from a societal perspective, saying to more men they can abandon their children even more than they already are (1 in 5 kids are being raised without a dad) is not good for society and will continue to be the downfall of the US
Unpopular idea; if two consenting adults decide to have a child out of wedlock, there ought to be a penalty- by deciding to have a child out of wedlock you by default forfeit your parental rights and the child then belongs to the state. The state will be the de facto parents and will be the sole decision makers of how the child will be raised while the state taxes the out of wedlock parent(s) in order to fund raising the child until it is 18 years of age. This should discourage people from carrying before marrying. Secondly. Mandatory paternity test at birth. If the child doesn’t biologically belong to the presumed man, the same penalty as stated above is imposed but the mother is the one being taxed. That taxation is then used as a welfare system that is sustained by the collective of single mothers or out of wedlock parents. Marriage could be leveraged as a way to dissolve these penalties.
You and i both know thatthe state is awful at anything they do & would fuck it up. But it's def a smart idea- like have a set amt of $ that will be allocated to each child over time & give them item specific vouchers or debit cards. Then equally garnish their pays until that amt is paid back. Would totally disincentivize the whole of it
@@MegaRBN14 I’d call it, “Behavioral Incentives”. After all, no one is taking away your individual autonomy, it would just be holding individuals accountable. It’s really no different from how the foster care system operates; the only difference would be instead of taxpayer dollars funding it, it would be funded by the collective of individuals who decided to have children out of wedlock- there’s no reason for all taxpayers to be forced to fund someone’s bastard children.
Of course they should have a say, it is their child too. Why should they bear the financial responsibility only? There is a backlog of people wanting to adopt newborns. In convenience and interruption of a womans plans is a relatively small price to pay to save a human life that You 2 created.
The choice and responsibility inequality between the sexes is of course a problem for men, but there’s another way of casting the issue: High out of wedlock childbirth rates, and all the societal issues arising from it. The rates for this went up and have stayed high since wide availability of oral contraception and abortion. It’s a two-part problem of technology cheapening sexual decisions, and women being afforded most fertility choices, as detailed in this clip. If women knew they could not rely on a.) a biological father to whom they are not married; and b.) the state for child maintenance, the out-of-wedlock proportion of births would plummet. The traditional practice in many cultures of segregating single pregnant women prior to birth, and then compelling them to put their newborn up for adoption was harsh but had its own irrefutable logic.
If it is my body my choice, then by that logic it is your choice to be a single mother, and therefore you should not be able to garner a man's wages through child support - as the man had no choice.
Men who have a lot of empathy and compassion and they really wanted children make wonderful fathers and should have equal time and responsibility with the children. However there are some men that two years after you’ve had your third child look at you and say you know I never really wanted kids And you’re thinking no you never mentioned that!!!!😮 maybe not so much
I don't think a man should have a choice. But I don't think a woman should have a choice either. Because I believe the baby is a human being with rights. The choice for both of the parents was made when they had sex.
It's almost like we should take sex more seriously than we do rather than just a means of pleasure... because there are very real life changing consequences.
Best way to avoid any of it gentlemen, is just to be a *rolling stone* Fake names, fake life, she keeps it? _Her problem_ , gone with the wind, get your *passports* gentlemen. 💊
@@wanderer5200 The man made the decision at the moment he blew his load inside the woman.. Maybe you simply aren't aware that this is how pregnancy happens..
@wanderer5200 That's typically how biological life works. The sex with the smaller gamete fertilizes the sex with the larger gamete, who then carries the child to term. Life isn't fair. There are numerous differences between men and women, and those differences create "unfair" situations in life. Assuming you can level the playing field is childish.
I think that the choice to have sex or not always comes with the fact there are unborn spirits that might show up in your life and u should have to now sacrifice for that kid because then the state will have to step in more and more and that's not good for people either. Sex and parenting hood are literally intertwined I don't think believing anything is useful... It's just a way to hide your doubts or unknowns. This is why people had more shame around sex in the past... Because nothing is just about you that's a mental game... Mental gymnastics
Woman here. Birth should only take place when both parents consent to it. If either the woman or the man doesn't wish to be a parent, she shouldn't carry it to term.
A better way: Short term marriage contracts, explained by Israeli Professor Sam Vaknin ten years ago in a video, Temporary Marriage. Why? Humans in the past lived short lives. Marriage as a life time contract came out of the fact, that technology in the past was low, so women depended directly for men to keep alive, plus people lived short lives. All that has changed. Women live till 85, men catching up. We notice divorce is very high now, while marriage and fertility rates are historically low. Is that a moral failure or is it a reflection of the fact that life is now long, birth control is common, and it's uncommon now to have enough in common to stay with one person, to stay for your whole life? Women have few children now, I'm OK with women's reproductive freedom. But it changes the biological deal between the sexes, it changes the need for a lifetime commitment from a man. Men need a new deal too: The deal in the human past was: no reliable birth control meant women could get pregnant any time till 40 plus lots of offspring would die, plus women had limited ability in life, to look after themselves. So in the past a lifetime commitment made sense. Technology changed all that. Technology changed the deal between the sexes. We need to recognize, along with reproductive freedom for women, we need financial freedom for men, to pursue their own goals once the children can look after themselves. We have these conversations, talk about female reproductive freedom and men having no reproductive rights, in the context of assuming the deal between the genders is still the same, so men should be responsible in the same way as the past. Nonsense. Our whole marriage system is basically stuck in the 1800s, it came out of a primitive rural Christian America with no birth control. In the 1800s the average American woman had 6 kids. Now, she sleeps with a variety of men in her 20s, maybe gets married at 30, maybe has one kid, with very limited reproductive potential left, since female fertility starts to expire at 30.
You basically just summarised you think a woman's worth is sex and making/raising babies then after that they're disposable and relationships/marriage holds men back.
@@hermitpermit2553 I have just summarized that without making/raising babies, there is no point to marriage. As to who is "disposable" I'll go to the evidence. Most estimates of who initiates divorce say, women are the ones that initiate divorce 70-80% of the time, not men. So ask yourself: how do women view men?
@@TimBitts649 I'm not sure you can equivocate disposable with unhappy, I think that is an emotive way to view it on your part. I do think people today are more focussed on their happiness and are less likely to put the work in through the times they are unhappy in a relationship. Some relationships are never going to work of course but we certainly have a focus on what is right for ME in our culture and wanting gratification. Id be interested to know the stats behind the reasons given for divorce. I was raised by two adults who probably would have divorced if they hadn't had a child but they were old fashioned and believed that the unit was for the child and so they made it work. They are now in their 70s and are companions in life, they have a lifetime of experience and memories, they love one another and respect one another and know the best and worst parts of each other.. you cannot replace that with someone new. Have you been in a rewarding long term relationship? Are you young? You don't seem to value what that companionship can offer which you need as you age.
@@hermitpermit2553 I'm not young, I've had very rewarding long term relationships, quite happy overall. So I value marriage. That's why I wrote my comment. It's about unpacking how it works, what changed. If you want a really good video on what works in marriage, "A Diary of a CEO" has a good interview today with Drs. John & Julie Gottman. Might be the most knowledgeable people in the world on the topic. Thanks.
I’ve never understood the argument for “pro choice”. You made the CHOICE when you decided to have sex. If you’re not ready or not WILLING to accept the responsibility of a child, you shouldn’t be having sex. That’s all there is to it. If you don’t want kids, QUIT FUCKING! I don’t understand how/why that’s so difficult to grasp. If you’re willing to have sex, you should be willing to accept the consequences of that action. Period. Women should have the child, and men should provide for that child. IF YOU DO NOT WANT THE RESPONSIBILITY, DO NOT DO THE ACTION THAT LEADS TO THAT OUTCOME.
The oven is just the oven. Nothing bakes if you don't put a load in it. Men CONTROL reproduction if they just realize they do. I've been a player my whole adult life, and did so without knocking any of them up.
@@fatmonkey4716 is this comment in reply to lavishpatchkid? If so, he didn’t PUT anyone in a risky situation. The way you say that makes it out to be his fault that he slept with a lot of woman. But sex/sleeping around is still consensual meaning the woman put themselves into that situation too it’s not just him
Men have the right to have sex and deal with the consequences, however she decides to handle it. And how she decides to handle it will depend on the guy & how it happened. Energy is real. If a woman is forced to have sex & gets pregnant, that Energy transfers. If a woman get pregnant out of love, that Energy transfers as well.
I think you're rubbing your crystals the wrong way moonshine. We're speaking of CONSENTUAL hanky panky. Folks who want to defend and hold to equivalence the man, the woman AND the child, must remind those that think women are some holy relic full of wisdom and judiciousness.
@@deathtodiablo7402 ok yes that’s obvious you answered the question of the videos title, you didn’t explain why you think that way which is what my question is.
@@brandonthezdreamer2446 have you ever been married or had kids? literally watch the video. The guy said the only right men have are if we put the condom on or not and if it fails we’re still screwed, be on that the only right we have is to argue over how much we’re getting to pay which is inevitably already decided before you walk through the door
So prior to birth control women who engaged in sex and ended up pregnant when she wasnt married... she was shamed for it. At this time the man could easily walk away and she had no access to abortion and had to have the baby. She was "damaged goods" in the eyes of society. Men had all the power. Fast forward to today... and women have all the power whether to go ahead or not with the pregnancy or not. Men you have your own power today and that is wrap it... do your part. Just because hormonal birth control exists doesnt mean you leave it up to the woman.
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Mandate paternity testing at birth for all children. Females always know the child is hers. Men? No.
That is certainly a problem with paternity fraud. That doesn't solve the problem for those men what want to opt of parental responsibility and child support.
@@bwillan that's what abortion should be for, if the dad doesn't consent to be father, the mother should be left alone with the kid, without help by the state
@@bwillan The government will never allow it because they are bearing the burden of financial responsibility for single parents, mostly mothers. The government wants reimbursement for the money spent on these children. Were they to allow men to opt out, they would have no incentive to support the single mother households which would be a disaster now as it is.
I kind of want that to happen though because maybe women would rethink giving access to these bums who won't support their children without negative reinforcement from Uncle Sam.
What an absurd notion. Clearly, you're not a parent 😂
I totally understand paternity testing before court ordering child support but at birth for every child makes zero sense.
@@creativesuit1930 🤣
That’s why as a man you must be very particular of what gal you are with. You’re literally putting your future on the line.
During covid they started doing court trials over zoom and I got hooked on watching them. It’s shocking how unfair the family court is and I had no idea until I started watching to court live streams
Where can you watch does?
@@superBrainwayne they’re on RUclips. They just got recommended to me but I’m sure if you search “family court livestream” or something along those lines you’ll get them. You can see a lot more than just family court too
I always knew how unfair it is, maybe it's wise to collect and show these videos to father's rights courts.
Had a discussion, If woman have the right to keep or abort a child. Then a man has the right to walk away as well. Rights for them but not for him.
If a man fathers a child and chooses to bail, then he is not a man at all.
@@cestlavegan5793 its the same for a woman who gives up or kills her child then.
@@cestlavegan5793How do you force paternity on men and not women?
@@cestlavegan5793If a woman mothers a child and chooses to abort, then she is not a woman at all.
Does this not then apply to a woman?@@cestlavegan5793
If we (society) want men to be more involved fathers we need to stop treating them like accessories and banks.
It's not about men being "more involved"
It's about: 1) not reproducing with the kind of men who wouldn't be, 2) not allowing ♀ to break up the homes and 3) the laws to reflect equality and no misandry (at _bare minimum_ )
Doens't solve the overall solution though, only _absolute monogamy under patriarchal dominance_ will save society , otherwise, just enjoy the decline.
Blame the patriarchal roles for treating them as banks.
Men have no rights in fatherhood at all ! that's the law in the UK. I quote the judge in my case when my wife and I fought over joint custody " Mr James I am sure you are caring and loving father but due too your wife's unreasonable behaviour I cannot make a joint custody order work. I therefor award full Custody & Control to your wife !" . I was just the money bag and any future partner would also be expected to pay towards our child. The State in the form of the CSA has also been allowed to give all personal data of my second wife and myself to my first wife, National insurance numbers, pay numbers employment numbers bank accounts incomes and savings. There was no way of recompense even under DATA protection acts ! Men in the UK have no rights over their children ! Even Midwives are taught, a child is always better off with the mother. I '' ll let you guess how well that turned out for our child ! If you think it all ends when the child reaches 18 yrs you are wrong it's their 19th birthday and if they go too University you still have to contribute may be to the age of 24 yrs !
Sounds like the UK needs a serious Family Law Reform movement!!!! Even more than in the U.S> (& it's difficult here--* I'm a woman--child of divorce)
forced to pay child support beyond age 18 is absurd especially if unmarried. so unmarried dads have no rights and married dads have some rights and more responsibilities.
It's obvious "My body my choice" doesn't apply to men. Just look at circumcision.
What's wrong with circumcision?🤔🤔
Unless it was botched, zero percent of men are upset about being circumcised.
@@Kenan-ZI'm glad you asked!
The first issue is that the child did not consent to it, and it can simply do it at adulthood. Next, it can have a negative impact on your se x life. It reduces natural lubricant, makes it dry, reduces sensitivity, reduce pleasure in 10% of men according to one research. And there's a 1/10000 chance of serious complications, less serious infections, in some cases can be fatal, and so on...
And all this can simply be prevented, by not doing an unnecessary facultative primarily 'cosmetic' surgery on a 'baby'.
Compare this with the STD research made in Africa which can mostly be explained by lack of hygiene and bad sanitation on those parts of the continent.
@Kenan-Z it's usually unneccessary mutilation and often performed on people who can't consent (children).
@@neonk2222 I'm circumcized and have had no negative consequences so far . 😐
The people who say "if a man doesn't want to be a father he shouldn't have sex" are typically the same people who insist abstinence doesn't work.
One and a half decade ago I saw someone in a 9GAG comment section say he's both pro-abortion but anti-paper abortion and he just admitted that he wanted men to be held more liable and have less choices for the exact same choices as women, no matter how people tried to explain to him how it's unfair he was just like "so what? Deal with it!" that's society's general attitude towards men and boys.
When I first preached the male perspective of "consenting to sex isn't consenting to pregnancy" to a feminist I worked with (years ago), she recognized this systemic double standard but dismissed it with "too bad." So, guys, if you don't want the kid, you literally have to run.
Feminism isnt about equality, its a supremacist movement that rebrand double standards that benefit women as equality.
Lol. If you consent to sex, by nature you re consenting to the possibility that a pregnancy can occur. What happens after that is all dependent upon the characters and principles of the consenting individuals involved. Good luck 😂
@@KriB510By that standard, there should be no abortion unless medically necessary.
@@KriB510 Aren't BOTH people consenting to potential pregnancy then?
However, it seems one person has more rights to mitigate or eliminate the pregnancy.
If SHE decides the pregnancy goes to term she OBLIGATES him to pay.
She never bears any obligation, to society, the father or her unborn child.
Responsibility without authority is slavery.
But since it's men who are enslaved, true to feminine compassion, you don't care.
Consenting to sex is definitely consenting to parenthood. What happens when a sperm meets an egg?
Spoiler: a baby gets made.
If she can kill it, then he can abandon it -Dave Chappelle
Chapelle is brilliant!
Yep, either allow *both* , or allow *neither* , there are no reasons outside of sexist preferential treatment to do one and not the other.
Cmon ladies, _EQUALITY_ 😏
Here's where the hypocrisy is doubled: women who give birth still have the right to abandon their child.
😂😂😂
Men have been abandoning since the beginning of time
I've found it pathetic that Men who want to be a father have no rights but if she keeps it he pays for 18 years. I say this cause my son had a fiance that chose out of fear at 5 months to kill my Grandson Brantley. No relationship issues, no health issues, just I don't want to be a parent in the 11 hour. It's sad that he could just take responsibility an her walk away. Abortion as a form of birth control is sick. 😢 I know my Grandson felt it. 😡 No body talks about "His" body and what she did to him
I am sorry this happened. This is what happened when we removed God from the judicial system.
paternity fraud is kid napping and should be treated that way.
Dejo un vistazo general:
*Derechos reproductivos y elección después de la concepción:* La discusión comienza cuestionando si los hombres tienen derechos reproductivos, especialmente en el contexto del debate sobre el aborto y la elección proactiva. Se plantea que, a diferencia de las mujeres, los hombres pierden su capacidad de elección después de la concepción. Esto lleva a la idea de que, mientras que las mujeres tienen varias opciones post-concepción (como la píldora del día después, el aborto, y leyes de refugio seguro), los hombres están obligados a seguir los deseos de la mujer sin tener un papel en la decisión final.
*'Aborto de papel' y rendición parental voluntaria:* Se introduce el concepto de "aborto de papel" o "rendición parental voluntaria" como un derecho hipotético para que los hombres renuncien a todos los privilegios y responsabilidades hacia un niño que no desean, siempre y cuando lo declaren temprano en el embarazo y contribuyan a los gastos médicos del parto. Aunque este derecho no existe en la práctica, algunos pro-choice feministas lo apoyan, argumentando que una mujer que toma una decisión unilateral no debería esperar que un hombre financie esa elección.
*Implicaciones de la falta de elección para los hombres:* El video explora las consecuencias de no dar a los hombres una opción después de la concepción, sugiriendo que obligar a los hombres a ser padres de niños que no desean puede llevar a problemas similares a los que enfrentan las mujeres forzadas a tener hijos no deseados, como un aumento en la criminalidad y otros problemas sociales. Se plantea si dar más opciones a los hombres podría ayudar a prevenir estos problemas, argumentando que los padres que eligen serlo son más propensos a criar hijos felices y saludables.
*Consentimiento y paternidad:* Se cuestiona la idea de que consentir al sexo es consentir a la paternidad, utilizando un lema feminista para argumentar que esto debería aplicarse tanto a hombres como a mujeres. Se mencionan casos en los que los hombres han sido engañados para convertirse en padres o incluso han sido obligados a pagar manutención infantil después de ser víctimas de violación, destacando la complejidad de la cuestión del consentimiento y la responsabilidad parental.
*Derechos de custodia y la lucha por la igualdad:* El tema de los derechos de custodia se aborda brevemente, con un enfoque en la presunción de custodia compartida como un ideal que busca nivelar el campo de juego para padres y madres en disputas de custodia. Se menciona la resistencia a esta idea por parte de algunas organizaciones feministas y se señala cómo las leyes en diferentes lugares, como el Reino Unido y Estados Unidos, afectan los derechos de los padres no casados o no reconocidos en el certificado de nacimiento.
*Sesgo sistémico y experiencias de los padres:* Se destaca el sesgo sistémico contra los padres en los tribunales de familia, sugiriendo que pasar tiempo fuera de un tribunal de familia y escuchar las historias de los padres puede cambiar la percepción de las personas sobre los derechos reproductivos y de custodia de los hombres.
En resumen, el video aborda la complejidad de los derechos reproductivos de los hombres, la falta de elección post-concepción, el concepto de "aborto de papel", las implicaciones sociales de no permitir a los hombres renunciar a la paternidad, y los desafíos en los derechos de custodia. La discusión subraya la necesidad de un debate más amplio y consideración sobre cómo los derechos y responsabilidades reproductivas afectan tanto a hombres como a mujeres, y cómo la igualdad en este ámbito podría ser mejorada.
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Excellent summary! Gracias.
This hypothetical reproductive right is one I figured out should exist a couple years ago. It makes sense, it's as fair and equal as it can be with biological reality.
The answer is no, but it's worse than that. Men can have the responsibility for OTHER men's reproductive choices. If you are in a relationship with a single mother, you won't have the right to really parent her kids. You will have the baby daddy mucking up your life and relationship; and if you break up, you can be forced to pay child support, even though the kids aren't yours. The courts have decided that you don't have rights, but have unreasonable responsibilities.
Women automatically having rights to their children makes perfect sense. The baby literally grows inside their bodies. It's only now that we have technologies that make it possible for a woman to be impregnated with a child that isn't genetically theirs. At all previous points in history, if a woman was pregnant, that baby was definitely her genetic offspring.
If a man is married, he has an automatic legal right to his wife's children, because he is legally bound to her. She gave him exclusive access to her womb when she married him. So the law assumes he got her pregnant until proven otherwise.
But what claim, legal or otherwise does an unmarried man have to the children of any woman he sleeps with? And what would be the basis for giving him one?
She could be anything from his random hookup to his live-in fiancee. [Edit: as other commenters reminded me, she could also be a woman he raped]. Which means there's no legal justification for automatically assuming he fathered her child or that he should have a claim to the child [e.g. a rapist may be the bio father but he doesn't deserve parental rights].
Until a paternity test definitively proves it (or the woman he slept with puts his name on the birth certificate) he can't legally claim to be the father. So OF COURSE unmarried men don't have automatic paternity rights.
The lack of morality and responsibility is disgusting.
06:05 In the Netherlands we recently adopted a new law where a father or co-mother (since January 1st, 2023) has all the full rights to a child the moment they recognise it, it's not retroactive but any new recognition means that the mother will have to share any previously exclusive privileges she had.
I had a good friend of mine, who got his girlfriend pregnant. When he found out, he was very excited that he was going to become a father. When she insisted on having an abortion, it devastated him. He was never the same after that.
Nonsense. He just used the situation as a pity party. You know how many men I've seen like male coworkers act happy when the gf finds put she's pregnant and tells her he will be there only for him to change his mind before 9 months are up?
@@kc6810 I can't answer that question. There are many situations in life that beg forethought before it's too late. Like insurances, relationship choices, job selections, locality moves.... The list goes on and on. It was an unfortunate situation, and as I said, he was devastated that he couldn't change her mind about terminating the pregnancy. He did go on to be married to someone else, and have two children in that relationship. I know the girl was also a friend of mine and she never spoke about it to anyone. I am sure though, it must weigh heavy on her conscience.
Would he have been a suitable partner and parent?
Many men say they want the child, then later in the pregnancy or after the birth they leave the woman. Then she has to raise tge child.
I live in Kansas, and I work in the legal field, and he’s absolutely correct about the shared custody 50/50 thing. That’s the default for all custody matters and it’s up to the individual parties to make the argument for why the child should not spend half their time with the other parent.
I forget that it’s not like that in other places. It just seems like a very good basis to start a custody arrangement from.
paternity tests for all pregnancies should be the minimum concerning repr. rights for men
I don't agree with a man or a woman walking away from a child at all.
Tricky one.
I know of 2 women who got pregnant by their longterm boyfriends but basically forced to abort as the guys absolutely did not the children to be born/exist even in the scenario of single motherhood. Neither couple stayed together. One of the women could never conceive again (due to complications after the abortion).
I also know of a girl who had a baby after being raped at 14-15 and had no support by anyone, but the 'stigma' of being underaged single mother (as if through own decisions and behaviour) - both her and her child had awful life till eventually emigrating. I only hope for the better.
I say - be honest, use protection - both men and women.
3:00 "Consenting to sex is not consenting to parenthood." Actually, it is.
Uh, no....
@@ДаниялДандамаев-и7ц It absolutely is. This is not even an argument. Any time you have sex with someone, you are consenting to the possibility of creating a child with that person.
Texas laws are WILD when it comes to paternal rights. If a woman is married, the husband is legally the father whether he is the bio father or not. In order to recognize the bio dad as legal father, the husband would have to give up his rights, the mother would have to recognize bio dad AND the bio dad would have to request paternal rights. NO-having the DNA test isn't enough.
I kinda get it because I'm sure the courts don't want to be dealing with child custody/rights cases all freaking day AND it gets real messy if the bio father SA'd the woman. But its wild wild west for men. In this area, I have the most sympathy for them cause it truly sucks and I'm not sure how you could make it fair for both parties AND put the child's needs first.
paternity tests for all pregnancies and accordingly rights to bio fathers should be the minimum
@@priapulida Would you advocate for it to be automatic rights upon confirmation of positive paternity?
@@dahliaherrod4301 yes, although I'm aware that all regulations will cause harmful scenarios and incentives, I'm realistic about that. Bio parents should be preferred though, I also think men should be relieved of all duties if they do not want the kid, mothers should get paternal consent within the window for abortion
@@priapulida I agree with the paternal consent. I disagree about the duty relief though. I used to feel the same way until I thought about it from the govt perspective. More than likely the single mother will apply for assistance with the federal and state govt who WILL want reimbursement for any benefits paid out on the child's behalf.
I don't think it's fair to the taxpayers that we will have to support a woman whose sexual partner refuses to take responsibility for a child he voluntarily helped to create.
@@dahliaherrod4301 nailed it. Why government pushes the burden of single mothers onto men regardless of who is the father. In fact government makes money of child support and matches dollar for dollar the child support agencies collect. In fact judges retirement pensions are funded by the amount of child support they collect. Most people don’t know that
I'll save ya'll the 7 minutes; No, it's always been about *women* and now that they have theirs, they are actively preventing men from getting any (of the equivalent) rights.
You do not know history if you truly believe parental rights and autonomy rights have always been about women.
Consenting to sex is consenting to parenthood. Reducing sex to the level where it's simply for pleasure, not for propagation of the species, is a disservice to humanity.
Hard agree with that. How can you have unprotected sex and then say "I don't consent to parenthood".... There's exactly one way pregnancy happens. If you don't want parenthood then don't have unprotected sex
@Joekary5 the very act of voluntarily having sex, whether protected or not, inherently acknowledges the possibility of parenthood. Though sex is pleasurable, it's inherent purpose isn't pleasure, it's the creation of offspring.
@@wompa3571 I agree. Which is why it's moronic to me to say "I consent to sex but I don't consent to parenthood". But most especially with unprotected sex. If both parties are using birth control methods the chances of pregnancy are basically zero
@@wanderer5200 That argument makes no sense as in each avenue the woman is still pregnant with a child. Whether she chooses to carry to term or keep the child, she still got pregnant through sex.
Do you think it's wrong for a woman to be TOLD she must remain pregnant for months against her will simply because she had sex - but okay for a man to be TOLD he must pay support for twenty years against his will simply because he had sex? Women should be allowed to choose, and so should men.
A couple of random thoughts. 1. Men under 40 are refused vasectomies but are then criticised for being irresponsible if a condom breaks or are falsely told by the woman that they unable to become pregnant. 2. An unmarried man will be refused the ability to take a child home from a hospital even if the relationship with the mother is amicable with no restrictions on when each can see the child.
My examples are for Australia.
Dude it's simple just don't bust in side a woman (condom on or not) until you both want kids. And if you find out your chick doesn't want kids then find another chick.
@@ScottyE515 sperm theft DOES happen. Women also can lie, with impurity about their intentions.
I think he is trying to point out the hypocrisy of "my body, my choice" except when it's men and vasectomies.
Men don't have reproductive rights, just obligations.
@@ScottyE515 Why would you find another chick if you've been told this one has had a hysterectomy for example?
@@cwcarson if you think it's hard to get a vasectomy you're in for a shock about hysterectomys.................
In answer to this question I'd say not with a natural pregnancy, but when we're talking about frozen embryos with IVF for example there are rights. When artificial wombs are a reality men may finally get real reproductive rights.
If men have taken the appropriate precautions to prevent pregnancy then I believe women cannot expect men to just be on board with a pregnancy- I felt this unfairness for a long time and more so now I have boys. Women aren’t forced into parenthood so neither should men be.
Although he lost me on his assertion that men become fathers from rape ( presumably) by women🤷♀️
I'm a pro-choice woman, grew up as a child of a 2 divorces. I AGREE with the Presumption of Shared Custody in divorce (also if there's children there should be a REQUIREMENT for post-divorce THERAPY for bth parents and children. If needed to work out co-parenting there should be REQUIRED Mediation, too). As for what "treproductive rights" men have, I think if the coule d NOT marry, men should NOT be liable for child support. If a woman has sole power to decide to have a child--whether the man wants to be a parent or not--she shoould make that deicsion knowing he won't be helping finacially. It's not perfect but it would equalize things in such a way that do not force wmen to ahve children or force them to have an abortion and give men some say-so about the situation
I was surprised that fathers needed mothers consent to give up parental rights, I think men should be able to leave especially if he never wanted the baby
In US “family” courts, it is worse if you were married and want time with your children. You are treated like a sperm donor and a pay check.
If you were never married and trying to have time with your kid(s), they actually have some degree of sympathy for the man.
It’s sick.
I think the 'paper abortion' should be a thing if there aren't restrictions on abortions. In saying all that, we don't live in a very pro choice country in both the legal and cultural sense so it's kind of impossible to make these arguments. I suspect most men in this audience know they can't advocate for this if they're also advocating for a return to traditional gender roles.
If there was a return to traditional gender roles, this wouldn't be an issue.
Tired of hearing about women’s bodily autonomy with this upcoming election when men don’t have any - how many of us were circumcised without your consent?
Interestingly enough, men don't need to be on the birth certificate for child support, all the mother has to do is claim a random man fathered it.
I’ve never understood the argument for why men should have no say on abortion. That child is getting 50% of its DNA from the father, wouldn’t be able to be here without the father, so why would the father get no say over what happens with a child that is just as much his as the mother’s? The argument of “well my body is the one that has to carry” doesn’t really make sense because that is a biological distinction not a social distinction. Men didn’t decide that women would be the ones who carry children. That’s the way we are design. As a father it just breaks my heart for any fathers out there who had to watch as the mother just decided to not have their child and all they could do was watch.
A child is a life you are killing them if you abort them.
Yes, obviously.
NO SAY - NO PAY
That will fix it...
He is wrong about Florida. In June 2023, FS 61 changed where now there IS a (rebuttable) legal presumption where equal timesharing by both parents is in the child’s best interest. This is new. A mother now has the burden of proof to show why a father shouldn’t have as much timesharing as she should (and vice versa, a father would have to show the same if he thinks he should have more time than the mother).
What happens if the father doesn't want any custody?
He’s FoS. There was a huge study that showed that women who wanted an abortion but for lack of money or time (within legal limits) were unable to get one, found that later on, they did not regret giving birth to the child. As long as people push the “unwanted=unhappy” line, we won’t advance.
I mean…. Just don’t have sex with some you don’t want to have a child with?
Common sense has gone out the window.
What’s your suggestion ? The man having sie Kind of right towards an abortion? 😂
Regarding parental rights… I can see good arguments for both sites of the argument.
@@paulklopper5841 Sorry, it wasn't clear. I was agreeing with you.
This interview just shows how much common sense has disappeared. A person's rights to reproduce happen before pregnancy. The discussion should not be framed as reproductive rights, but as rape victim rights, or (as you mentioned) parental rights, etc.
"People" make accusations of abuse. "People"? People hugh? 😢
No sex before marriage. Problem solved.
Men might claim they want the child but reality dictates in most cases further into the pregnancy or after its born the man leaves the woman. Then she has to raise the unwanted child by herself.
If the man wants the child would he still take it if it had birth defects?
If men want the child it should be a binding contract and accept the child as is.
You can talk about this shit until the cows come home, nothing is ever going to change
Nothing changes unless people demand change.
Why wasn’t her choice to have protected sex or abstain? Why is that the pro-choice argument not end there as it does with the man? It’s like a woman isn’t accountable for engaging in the risky behavior yet a man has no say in losing his child as if his feelings don’t matter.
2:20 *single motherhood*
Get it right if you're going to say it, simp.
What if child support was capped at $500 a month max regardless of income? How many females would decide to keep the baby?
The problem comes in when people have dissociated sex from marriage and sex from reproduction
Men choose if they want a child when they have sex, if theyre having sex and havent had a vasectomy then they are choosing to run the risk of having a baby, if they go ahead then the choice is no longer up to them but the woman. End of story. No contraception is 100%, if you're a woman having sex and dont want kids you need to be aware that you may need to make the decision to terminate or raise a child. The easiest option is dont have sex if youre not prepared to terminate or have a child.
Need to be able to have a financial/ responsibility abortion
Abandoning a living breathing child is not comparable to aborting a clump of cells that use your own body as a host. These comments are disappointing. Women in poverty abort because they know the life of that child wouldn’t be ideal, they’re in poverty. You cannot compare that to willingly taking away resources from a living child and knowingly putting the child in a worse off situation (Father leaving, not providing income, care ect)
Paper abortion is to be done before the child is born, when the mother can still choose to get an abortion
"do men have reproductive rights?"
"men can be women"
Libs 😂
Just say you're anti-life or pro-abortion.
The only time a man gets to choose is when the blood has left the thinking head and entered the non thinking head....😂
But what about the men who dont want daughters they just sign away there parental rights to four daughters gave them to DSS.
Just what we need , more single moms without support and more men not taking responsibility. That should be great for society.
Women could make better choices about who they allow to get them pregnant. Then you have a better relationship for any possible consequences. But you women just ignore that solution.
@@fatmonkey4716 nope I agree. Obviously no one is advocating for reckless sex . But this world is not perfect. Men should know that not every woman believes in abortion , birth control doesn’t always work and pregnancy and childbirth can be deadly for a woman. Child support is not something unknown or a surprise. So given all of that information he should always protect himself . Simple. But from a societal perspective, saying to more men they can abandon their children even more than they already are (1 in 5 kids are being raised without a dad) is not good for society and will continue to be the downfall of the US
Unpopular idea; if two consenting adults decide to have a child out of wedlock, there ought to be a penalty- by deciding to have a child out of wedlock you by default forfeit your parental rights and the child then belongs to the state. The state will be the de facto parents and will be the sole decision makers of how the child will be raised while the state taxes the out of wedlock parent(s) in order to fund raising the child until it is 18 years of age. This should discourage people from carrying before marrying.
Secondly. Mandatory paternity test at birth. If the child doesn’t biologically belong to the presumed man, the same penalty as stated above is imposed but the mother is the one being taxed. That taxation is then used as a welfare system that is sustained by the collective of single mothers or out of wedlock parents. Marriage could be leveraged as a way to dissolve these penalties.
You and i both know thatthe state is awful at anything they do & would fuck it up. But it's def a smart idea- like have a set amt of $ that will be allocated to each child over time & give them item specific vouchers or debit cards. Then equally garnish their pays until that amt is paid back. Would totally disincentivize the whole of it
That sounds authoritarian as fuck. Like not even Stalin would do that 🤣
@@MegaRBN14 I’d call it, “Behavioral Incentives”. After all, no one is taking away your individual autonomy, it would just be holding individuals accountable. It’s really no different from how the foster care system operates; the only difference would be instead of taxpayer dollars funding it, it would be funded by the collective of individuals who decided to have children out of wedlock- there’s no reason for all taxpayers to be forced to fund someone’s bastard children.
Abortion isn’t about a “choice to become a mother”.
It’s only the choice to be the mother to a live child or a dead one.
Of course they should have a say, it is their child too. Why should they bear the financial responsibility only? There is a backlog of people wanting to adopt newborns. In convenience and interruption of a womans plans is a relatively small price to pay to save a human life that You 2 created.
Heavy disagree
The choice and responsibility inequality between the sexes is of course a problem for men, but there’s another way of casting the issue: High out of wedlock childbirth rates, and all the societal issues arising from it. The rates for this went up and have stayed high since wide availability of oral contraception and abortion. It’s a two-part problem of technology cheapening sexual decisions, and women being afforded most fertility choices, as detailed in this clip. If women knew they could not rely on a.) a biological father to whom they are not married; and b.) the state for child maintenance, the out-of-wedlock proportion of births would plummet. The traditional practice in many cultures of segregating single pregnant women prior to birth, and then compelling them to put their newborn up for adoption was harsh but had its own irrefutable logic.
If it is my body my choice, then by that logic it is your choice to be a single mother, and therefore you should not be able to garner a man's wages through child support - as the man had no choice.
Financial abortion rights for men should be an available option.
Men who have a lot of empathy and compassion and they really wanted children make wonderful fathers and should have equal time and responsibility with the children. However there are some men that two years after you’ve had your third child look at you and say you know I never really wanted kids And you’re thinking no you never mentioned that!!!!😮 maybe not so much
What do paternity tests at birth have to do with that?
I don't think a man should have a choice.
But I don't think a woman should have a choice either.
Because I believe the baby is a human being with rights.
The choice for both of the parents was made when they had sex.
If you can carry a baby, you have the right to.
Ya its called marriage
It's almost like we should take sex more seriously than we do rather than just a means of pleasure... because there are very real life changing consequences.
Best way to avoid any of it gentlemen, is just to be a *rolling stone*
Fake names, fake life, she keeps it? _Her problem_ , gone with the wind, get your *passports* gentlemen. 💊
If you had sex and got someone pregnant, you made a choice.
@@wanderer5200 The man made the decision at the moment he blew his load inside the woman.. Maybe you simply aren't aware that this is how pregnancy happens..
@wanderer5200 That's typically how biological life works. The sex with the smaller gamete fertilizes the sex with the larger gamete, who then carries the child to term. Life isn't fair. There are numerous differences between men and women, and those differences create "unfair" situations in life. Assuming you can level the playing field is childish.
The woman's choice should extent til the baby is 2 yrs old.
Come on man. Make an effort on the hair.
I think that the choice to have sex or not always comes with the fact there are unborn spirits that might show up in your life and u should have to now sacrifice for that kid because then the state will have to step in more and more and that's not good for people either.
Sex and parenting hood are literally intertwined I don't think believing anything is useful... It's just a way to hide your doubts or unknowns.
This is why people had more shame around sex in the past... Because nothing is just about you that's a mental game... Mental gymnastics
Woman here. Birth should only take place when both parents consent to it. If either the woman or the man doesn't wish to be a parent, she shouldn't carry it to term.
Men have Authority because they take Responsibility, women want Authority without Responsibility.
John 14:6
A better way: Short term marriage contracts, explained by Israeli Professor Sam Vaknin ten years ago in a video, Temporary Marriage. Why? Humans in the past lived short lives. Marriage as a life time contract came out of the fact, that technology in the past was low, so women depended directly for men to keep alive, plus people lived short lives. All that has changed. Women live till 85, men catching up. We notice divorce is very high now, while marriage and fertility rates are historically low. Is that a moral failure or is it a reflection of the fact that life is now long, birth control is common, and it's uncommon now to have enough in common to stay with one person, to stay for your whole life?
Women have few children now, I'm OK with women's reproductive freedom. But it changes the biological deal between the sexes, it changes the need for a lifetime commitment from a man. Men need a new deal too: The deal in the human past was: no reliable birth control meant women could get pregnant any time till 40 plus lots of offspring would die, plus women had limited ability in life, to look after themselves. So in the past a lifetime commitment made sense. Technology changed all that. Technology changed the deal between the sexes. We need to recognize, along with reproductive freedom for women, we need financial freedom for men, to pursue their own goals once the children can look after themselves. We have these conversations, talk about female reproductive freedom and men having no reproductive rights, in the context of assuming the deal between the genders is still the same, so men should be responsible in the same way as the past. Nonsense.
Our whole marriage system is basically stuck in the 1800s, it came out of a primitive rural Christian America with no birth control. In the 1800s the average American woman had 6 kids. Now, she sleeps with a variety of men in her 20s, maybe gets married at 30, maybe has one kid, with very limited reproductive potential left, since female fertility starts to expire at 30.
You basically just summarised you think a woman's worth is sex and making/raising babies then after that they're disposable and relationships/marriage holds men back.
@@hermitpermit2553 I have just summarized that without making/raising babies, there is no point to marriage. As to who is "disposable" I'll go to the evidence. Most estimates of who initiates divorce say, women are the ones that initiate divorce 70-80% of the time, not men. So ask yourself: how do women view men?
@@TimBitts649 I'm not sure you can equivocate disposable with unhappy, I think that is an emotive way to view it on your part. I do think people today are more focussed on their happiness and are less likely to put the work in through the times they are unhappy in a relationship. Some relationships are never going to work of course but we certainly have a focus on what is right for ME in our culture and wanting gratification. Id be interested to know the stats behind the reasons given for divorce. I was raised by two adults who probably would have divorced if they hadn't had a child but they were old fashioned and believed that the unit was for the child and so they made it work. They are now in their 70s and are companions in life, they have a lifetime of experience and memories, they love one another and respect one another and know the best and worst parts of each other.. you cannot replace that with someone new. Have you been in a rewarding long term relationship? Are you young? You don't seem to value what that companionship can offer which you need as you age.
@@hermitpermit2553 I'm not young, I've had very rewarding long term relationships, quite happy overall. So I value marriage. That's why I wrote my comment. It's about unpacking how it works, what changed.
If you want a really good video on what works in marriage, "A Diary of a CEO" has a good interview today with Drs. John & Julie Gottman. Might be the most knowledgeable people in the world on the topic. Thanks.
I’ve never understood the argument for “pro choice”. You made the CHOICE when you decided to have sex. If you’re not ready or not WILLING to accept the responsibility of a child, you shouldn’t be having sex. That’s all there is to it. If you don’t want kids, QUIT FUCKING! I don’t understand how/why that’s so difficult to grasp.
If you’re willing to have sex, you should be willing to accept the consequences of that action. Period. Women should have the child, and men should provide for that child.
IF YOU DO NOT WANT THE RESPONSIBILITY, DO NOT DO THE ACTION THAT LEADS TO THAT OUTCOME.
The oven is just the oven.
Nothing bakes if you don't put a load in it.
Men CONTROL reproduction if they just realize they do.
I've been a player my whole adult life, and did so without knocking any of them up.
someone did not watch the video
@@chuuuu1131 no you just don’t understand his comment
@@brandonthezdreamer2446 Oh I'm pretty sure I do.
It is very selfish of you to put others in a risky situation that you were lucky enough to avoid.
@@fatmonkey4716 is this comment in reply to lavishpatchkid? If so, he didn’t PUT anyone in a risky situation. The way you say that makes it out to be his fault that he slept with a lot of woman. But sex/sleeping around is still consensual meaning the woman put themselves into that situation too it’s not just him
This guy lost all credibility as soon as he said, "I'm pro-choice."
This channel is creating incels.
Possession is 9/10s of the law.
The first 4 minutes of this a rollercoaster of 'no, yes, maybe, definitely!, No! Yes. Too bad! Some get trapped. Do the deed be a dad."
The solution is obvious, uuhhhh duhhhh!!!!!!
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Men have the right to have sex and deal with the consequences, however she decides to handle it. And how she decides to handle it will depend on the guy & how it happened.
Energy is real. If a woman is forced to have sex & gets pregnant, that Energy transfers. If a woman get pregnant out of love, that Energy transfers as well.
And if doesn’t want the kid he should not be responsible for it financially, no more baby trapping
I think you're rubbing your crystals the wrong way moonshine. We're speaking of CONSENTUAL hanky panky. Folks who want to defend and hold to equivalence the man, the woman AND the child, must remind those that think women are some holy relic full of wisdom and judiciousness.
No
Why is it that you think men shouldn’t have a say? Genuine question.
@@brandonthezdreamer2446 I answered the question men do not have any rights when it comes to childbearing
@@deathtodiablo7402 ok yes that’s obvious you answered the question of the videos title, you didn’t explain why you think that way which is what my question is.
@@brandonthezdreamer2446 have you ever been married or had kids? literally watch the video. The guy said the only right men have are if we put the condom on or not and if it fails we’re still screwed, be on that the only right we have is to argue over how much we’re getting to pay which is inevitably already decided before you walk through the door
First vote, yaaaaaayy
If a woman can abort a pregnancy, then why do I have to pay child support? Either men get a choice, or no one does.
So prior to birth control women who engaged in sex and ended up pregnant when she wasnt married... she was shamed for it. At this time the man could easily walk away and she had no access to abortion and had to have the baby. She was "damaged goods" in the eyes of society. Men had all the power.
Fast forward to today... and women have all the power whether to go ahead or not with the pregnancy or not. Men you have your own power today and that is wrap it... do your part. Just because hormonal birth control exists doesnt mean you leave it up to the woman.
Ya its called marriage