The Surprising Evolution Of Modern Women's Preferences In Men - Eric Weinstein
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Chris and Eric Weinstein discuss the current state of masculinity. Why don't modern women respond to classical masculinity according to Eric Weinstein? What does Eric Weinstein see as the current disparity between the two genders? Why are men not as attracted to the financial success of their partners versus women according to Eric Weinstein?
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What mic stand is that?
You are right chris as you said Short answer: no. Modern women don't know what they want. It depends on their feelings. But their reptilian brain and reprpductive hormones tell them to follow hypergamy
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The reason the current social trends contain so many seemingly self-defeating features is that they were designed by your society's geopolitical adversaries for the purpose of defeating you.
Its sad that you never really let Eric finish his original point, because I think that he was about to make some interesting points. I think that a lot of this "Red Pill Alpha Guru" view that what women REALLY want is a trad right-wing alpha holding a tiki torch shouting about who specifically will not replace them.... And I think that a lot of this is cope.
I can't remember who said it, but from my own experience I'd have to agree that "Most boys want a good girl who will be bad just for them and most girls want a bad boy who will be good just for them."
That's incredibly well put.
Facts 💯
This is very true.
Lovely to say, doesn't really work like that though does it
@@zzzzzz69 I think it would- and perhaps did for centuries- except that we live in an era when the personal has become political. Therefore, rather than becoming naturally smitten with someone many people worry about how mate selection might affect their perceived popularity among their so-called peers.
For me, Aragorn from Lord of the Rings will always be peak masculinity. That guy protects his friends, leads his people, isn’t afraid to fight against a hoard of orcs but he also sings, enjoys poetry, and cherishes the woman he loves. I always wanted to be like him.
He's a fictional character
@@TogsintheWopWops-qb1ffNo, he is real. Middle-Earth is right next to Scotland. Did you not take geography bro? This is elementary school stuff.
@@TogsintheWopWops-qb1ff Being a fictionnal character doesn't make him less a masculine model for young men.
There is a massive difference between characters and reality. This is why women aren't satisfied with finding a man cause they can't tell the different between men and a character. Aragon is just a character, don't try to be him be yourself and if people don't like you it's their problem, let them deal with it.
@@kenmiles7409 I think the point is not trying to be someone else you are not, but finding inspiration in someone's virtues and good examples and trying to apply them in your own life.
To the comment about the advice given to young men, specific to watering down ambition- as a 28 year old male, I realize every day how grateful I am for my old man. He is a retired naval aviator, survivor of stage 4 cancer, successful business man and overall excellent father. My dad never let me feel sorry for myself and told me to shoot for the stars cause if you miss you still get the moon. He demanded effort and made sure my brother and I didn’t half ass anything. He made sure my brother and I respected our selves and others around us. Maybe more young men need strong dads
Maybe? Hell no! There are a great many young men who need strong dads.
But the moon is closer then the stars so how would you miss the stars first ?
@willcasler4809 i find that the current problem can only demand a great of a solution as a nuclear world war because that's the only way the world as a whole can start from scratch
with fresh men. i say that because the watering down comes from men who were watered down by other men who were watered down by.... you see my point.
current young men cannot just 'buy' strong dads and become better, a strong dad needs to raise them to BE strong men hence - my nuclear war suggestion.
the war will also be beneficial because it will restore men back to necessity to push for utmost greatness in themselves which are pillars of what makes a great man, and most importantly great fathers, so, again, young men can't just buy strong dads and they can't just replace the fathers they have.
my naive solution is: its 100% up to young men to realize this and change for the better, to which i would say: have you heard what Andrew Tate and young men mentors perpetuate!!!
While these men are "becoming better" they're loosing a lot of time to raise and be strong dads to their sons, hence, they're still enduring the problem and not solving it.
I am a strong advocate for peace which is odd considering in the same paragraph I'm promoting war but, I simply can't see any other way. the snowball has grown so large currently, stopping it would require more than it's worth...and I know that implies sacrificing men and their lives but... I JUST simply can't see any other way.
I've just re-read my comment and it's probably something a military would post as an ad asking for funding in their war efforts during WW1 or something, but...again, I see no other way.
I would incredibly love to hear a better solution from you.
Amen!
@@ianlloyd4301right over your head
Just remember men, what women “say” vs. what they “emotionally respond to” are two very different things. Stand your ground, chase your purpose, lift weights, make money, and focus on where you’re going
100% i was coming here to say the same. Stay the course, improve yourself. The guy in the gym has a better selection of women than the guy sitting at home doing nothing to improve himself physically, additionally the guy with the European luxury car has a better selection of women than guy riding the public bus.
Absolute facts
Women are divorcing males left and right, so pay attention to that. Observe what their reasons are.
Great comment
@@OmegaSupremeWCheese If you live in central London the bus/tube/public transport makes much more sense than a car - driving a car would make you look like an idiot.
I work extremely hard in a female dominated environment. It raises eyebrows..the stress my ambition causes to female colleagues has caused so many issues such that management continually try to level the playing field as if my endeavour is 'oppressive' to women. You couldnt make it up!!
Cupcakes?
Been there, survived the experience - barely. I did learn a lot about women, in my mid 20s, however.
Look at it this way: not only does your presence give women someone to blame, but more work gets done by your being there and working diligently.
@@drivethruabortion280 yes please, with icing!
@@tetedur377more work gets done with them at the home, not at work 🤣🤣. Ask Iceland when all their women went on strike how “detrimental” it was to the work force.
Psychologist Are you ?😅
That societal tendency to “water down” over ambitious or highly capable people is universal. I was challenged by my uncle why I stood out so much to make the other cousins look bad in school. I told him if I don’t try hard enough, what are we here for. Now I’m raising an ambitious boy who crushes at school and whatever activities he dedicates himself to. We are here to become our best version. The ultimate respect comes from self.
Much nuance and caveats are needed. It's the delicate balance to let our kiddos crush it where they're naturally excelling at WHILE keeping our own desires and egos as parents aside. The extremes of both poles are equally damaging....just in different ways. It ain't about us. Easy to say, hard to live by in a daily basis.
Congrats for your kiddo and wish you both all the best :)
Totally agree. Mediocrity becomes the norm. I was surprised at the reaction of people to our daughter receiving tuition and passing the UK 11+ test. Genuinely think seeing ambition in others reminds people of the person they once were or want to be. Essentially jealousy and insecurity packaged up and passed off as concern!
True, to be less is unfair to yourself.
Oh boohoo, people like you are genuinely successful individuals who get a kick out of coslaying as underdogs.
You have shamed me. In an almost good way. Thanks
My step father was literally the Marlboro man. My mom was the primary breadwinner top level leadership of a major corporation. It didn't matter in their relationship because he was so masculine he didn't need to dominate. They both knew their roles and they both took the lead in different situations. My mother never tried to demasculinize him and I believe its why they lasted and part of why he truly loved her and did everything he could to protect and take care of her.
I think this is core. It isn't really money itself that is the issue, but people tend to use money as an easy marker of status. I couldn't care less what a guy earns and didn't even know what some of my exes were brining home. I care that they can cover their own share of the bills and not just dating me for money. But above that, I couldn't care less. However, I DO want someone taller than me, as physical security is something my brain focuses on as a marker of masculinity. I could date a tall guy who earned much less, as long as he was a decent person. I think other women are the same. Some focus on confidence as a main marker, which is where you get the 'bad boy' groupies. All are looking for 'masculinity', but different markers will attract different women.
I'm a man and I want my wife to make more money than me. I encourage her to level up all the time. The more she earns, the less I need to earn 😅
Money has no correlation with masculinity. Society has gotten this wrong, mostly due to incorrect assessment from “experts”, everyone else just followed along since it gets eye balls and clicks. That being said, main failure in marriages (i seen), mostly due to lack of respect, communication and people trying to step on each others gender role.
Mr. Weinstein is right about elitism. I was never a math wiz, stellar athlete, or master of literature, but I always admired those who set meritorious examples against which I could measure my own personal inventory and take positive action to make myself a better person tomorrow than I was yesterday. Regarding dreams for your future, you're really only ever competing with your current yourself.
I used to both bowl and play darts - like, league and tournament play. I was better at both for having played against some of the top names in those sports, and when I played in tournaments, I played at unbelievable levels, both in partnership and against major league players.
I never was, and never will be at their level. That's not even a fantasy. But having those role models upped my game overall to where I could hold my own and often beat other non-elite bowlers and darters.
@@tetedur377
Well said
@@tetedur377and that, my friend, is worth more than gold
I don’t agree because a lot of the things we consider elite are arbitrary.
Like most sports, like acting, like music. It’s arbitrary and random luck that society decided to have a popular game of football instead of hockey.
That’s why I don’t respect “elites”, their “skill” just happens to be valued in society arbitrarily. But being good at kicking a ball isn’t innately elite
The only problem I've ever seen with elitism is when an elite perceives their existence as common because their perception of reality becomes distorted. Other than that it's usually fine.
I was looking for - as my brother said at my father’s eulogy - “A Man Against Whom I Judge Other Men and a Man Against Whom I Judge Myself”. It is a difficult search.
Women from the beginning of time have argued with other women about what other women should be attracted to, in this way lower the competition for what they are actually attracted to. Add this to the phenomenon of feminism, and you get a mess.
I've noticed time and time again that the biggest thing that women want is to have what _OTHER_ women want.
@@johng3029I see, it's the hive mind. Good luck on not being stung by any of those "bees."
@tomsmith6513 I fortunately found a great girl but I agree women think in a very collectivist sort of way, men tend to value competition and independence more
Really? Since the beginning of time? References?
Or more importantly, tell men that they want nice, kind gentlemen to see who will comply and who are the ones who are the natural alphas who won't.
I think a lot of women want a masculine man, but are scared to word it that way for fear of being called "gender normative", or mockingly called "trad"
The new words just keep coming. I gotta remember these. 😄
I'm not sure if it's that specifically, I think it's more of a general status thing. No one wants to be low status, and being a stay at home mom is seen as low status. Being a mom is a lot of work done in the dark and only they and their families see the fruit of the labor. No one is going onto a podcast showing off the results of their great parenting skills. The other thing is, they don't want to have to rely on a man, but they want a man they can rely on. There's a difference of being dependent and choosing to depend on someone.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@cokebottles6919 Women want their cake and eat it too. What's new.
I don’t know any women around me that are afraid to say that.
A woman’s perceived ideal changes when they feel threatened, scared, unsafe, or insecure. At those times they seek out strong men. Never feel ashamed for being a strong man. A strong man not only protects and provides, but loves his family, is level headed and in control of his impulses, and provides a safe, loving, and joyful home for his wife and family.
Geez this one has me conflicted. I am a very driven individual. But one of the worst mistakes I ever made was investing that ambition into a company I worked for. Be ambitious and driven but don’t forget to balance that with not missing out on life itself. My biggest regret in my 40’s is not “I should have started my own company” it is having worked myself to death to be the best for nothing. Success is not in building wealth. I find so much more fulfillment in working as a volunteer and refusing to work any job that requires more than 40 hours a week. I’m debating starting a business not to be “successful”, but to have more control over my schedule.
I would tell any young man; figure out what you are good at that will make you a living and is reliable, invest in perfecting that skill and yourself, then leverage that so you can work less and spend more time doing things that really matter. Being a father, a husband, a mentor, a gentleman. Someone that is ready to help others when able and willing to say it is enough so you do not tire out.
I hear you brother.
@@maxhobbs5512 money does not equal happiness but you will never make it to happiness without it if you are growing up in the USA. Life is all about competition. Take any depressed man, give him a Ferrari, a hot girlfriend who adores him and a purpose - the “depression” will disappear instantly. Being a man is about keeping all parts of your life under check. Fitness, family, friends, wealth and intelligence. If you miss any one of those things you are a lesser man for it. You could take the most successful man in the world, but if he’s not fit, with a great friend group and happy family around him - he’s just another rich dork.
I live in Washington state and see this first hand with all the tech dorks here. Sure they are rich but they are still borderline women with how they act and hold themselves. I’m moving up the ranks and things are changing very quickly for me. I am fit, 6’5, friendly, smart, intelligent and also dangerous. 4 years ago I was nothing like this and just another dork. I’ve slowly leveled up in every part of life and the way people act towards me is noticeable. Just driving around a 6 figure car and getting out of it arouses mystery and interest. If you are a high tier man in this society you can make it very far and achieve things you couldn’t even imagine. It’s all about drive and putting in so much work people think you are crazy.
@@mayeramschelrothschild3126you forgot to add how humble you’ve become as well. 😂
@@trippmoore I’m the most humble man in the world, you’ll never meet anyone as humble as me
The destruction of ambition hits home for me. My entire upbringing was this. Everyone in my life would tell me to not try at things and to not gravitate to things that interested me. Now in my 40's I'm wondering about all the possible life options I could have taken if people didn't get out of my way.
40s here too. Ignored all of that. Especially from my mum. Life is too short.
Guys aways seem 2 get better with age. 40 is like the beginning and then 50 is refinement and it just gets better. Graham Hancock, Clint Eastwood. Hot. Lol. Jordan Peterson, Eminem... hot. They weren't before. 🤷♂️ idk
Don't ask for people to get out of your way. Move them outta your way. You aren't asking for anything. You are acting.
@@kevinstroupyup, so now we just need a fuckin Time machine to go back in time to raise ourselves better, so we don't end up programmed to "stay in our lane"
That’s the ticket
When I moved to Alaska I remember seeing a bumper sticker that said: "Alaskan women: we've become the men we wished we'd married." If that doesn't sum up the toxicity and weirdness of the current relationship between the sexes then nothing does.
Living in Alaska I bet they feel that much more than those in temperate more comfortable climates.
Hmmm...wonder if they prefer either Timber Wolves or Bears to men?.....😂
I'm a very masculine guy, I like camping, working on my jeep etc etc. I'm not rich, I'm average looking...I'm just an ordinary "bloke". From the moment I activated Hinge (dating app) my phone blew up with messages like "thank god, finally a masculine, dominant guy". Many, many that I had conversations with gave feedback like "I've been told all my life that I need to take charge and be more aggressive and dominant - but it made me miserable, I've finally accepted that what makes me happy is a man that takes charge, organises the outings, looks after me and is assertive in life (and in bed)". That last bit surprised me, how many came straight out and said they were seeking to be dominated in bed - not bdsm but just a man that takes charge and makes them feel protected and allows them to be vulnerable and safe. I'm in a wonderful relationship now but this really surprised me and the best advice I could give to a single guy is just embrace your masculinity and ignore the loud minority that you probably don't want to date anyway.
I'm curious, what did you write in your profile exactly? Just that you're a good mechanic, enjoy camping, know your way around a toolbox, etc?
lol! I also facepalmed
@@gardenstatewny Not so direct as that - I had pictures of my jeep (it has a built on hot outdoor shower for the beach and a bbq attached to the back, since replaced with a pizza oven) and just commented that I did all the work myself (my jeep is pretty awesome lol), pictures of what I like to do... pictures of me at the beach, surfing, on a farm, sculpting (which is one of my hobbies) and playing banjo. In the text I was very, very direct, one of the paragraphs reads "Let me lead with confidence, I enjoy positive masculinity in all things. I love organising events, picnics, cooking, being a strong and validating listener. I like to take charge both in life and when we're alone and intimate together. Let me be the secure embrace that empowers and recharges you."
Edit: these things are all true by the way, I wasn't trying to scam anyone...I do like being the person my partner can lean on and all the other stuff :)
@@gardenstatewny I would also point out, I thin one of Chris's past videos talked about that a huge percentage of women seek a masculine and dominant guy but a far smaller percentage of men are comfortable in that role meaning those that are get very sought after.
@aPeaceOfAdam you wrote you love ORGANISING picnics, COOKING, you're a good listener..... and you matched that with muscly looking pics when doing farm work, surfing and car work (your jeep). I don't think you realise this is VERY FAR from being the "average bloke" :D most guys, especially city ones, Don't have any idda how to fix a car, do not do farm work and..... mostly 99% of red pill will say "never in my life i'd touch the kitchen cause that's a woman's job" and "and she should shut up and give me peace, i don't need to hear about how hard her day was". So basically, you're a unicorn!
Mike is so right on his comments about calling people arrogant who are ambitious. That happened to me by everyone around me. Eventually I believed them and lost all confidence. Just recently got it back and really trying to get disciplined again and make myself of my myself. The lesson is to keep toxic people out of your life.
Mike? Their names are Chris and Eric. You are so arrogant! Lol. 😉
Outward brash ambition is not a good trait and people respond poorly to it. What people like is competent ambition but the line between them can be very fine and open to perception. To one group an ambitious person can be seen as a leader and to another group that person can be seen as a controller.
I was one of those until I realized I was just being jealous of someone's motivation that I didn't have at that moment...
I started to seriously self reflect, read about stoicism which changed my entire outlook & now I am becoming the best version of myself while encouraging everyone I meet to read Marcus Aurelius "Meditations" the Gregory Hayes edition & "Outtwitting the Devil" by Napoleon Hill....
Your entire mind will shift...❤🙏
Life is beautiful now everywhere I go & road blocks are amazing lessons that I no longer dread...
I feel everyone just needs to eat better, work out daily & read books that resonate, taking notes & journaling along with waking up daily & going to sleep, being grateful for everything in your life...
Everything will start to change....🤗
Ambitious or ass kissers to the boss and snitch on everyone to earn brownie points?
Don't be beta why would you let weak people destroy your confidence? Be a man get in the gym, read your Bible, stop wasting you time on things that are stupid like video games, and when you go out in public walk with authority. Your life will change.
I was called ambitious by an outsider in my leadership looking in on my career, that nonchalant remark put everything into perspective during a difficult time in my life. I am still grateful for that slip of the tongue, it emboldened me & reinforced my determination, it tempered My steel. My blood, sweat & tears, applauded. People don't realize how much it means to someone to be ... Appreciated. Validated.
Im a traditional wife. I have a masculine man. We got alot of hate from the neighbors since I am a traditional wife. Women are painfully jealous. Its a sad state of society.
What makes you think other women are jealous?
@@wyleecoyotee4252they probably have to do the „so called“ man’s job in their relationship which causes hardship and long-Term undesirability towards their men and that’s why they could be feelings a little bit of jealousy seeing different dynamics that actual functioned throughout all human history !😂
@@KidRipable
You think a woman looking after her own home would resent a tradwife?
I don't see that happening.
@@wyleecoyotee4252 ask the majority of women in the world they might as well tell you that they not necessarily want to resent their own home for the rest of their lifetime instead of moving into men made home including „feminist biasism“.
@@wyleecoyotee4252 look at the kind of things women say to each other on content that promotes that lifestyle for women. some of them consider it a betrayal of the sisterhood to have a healthy relationship with a man. they'll say things like you're "setting us back 50 years" by cooking dinner and cleaning the house
from everything i've seen, the attraction part is actually "easy". you just need to be visibly interested in, good at, and open about something, whatever it is. for example if you like music you just need to be SEEN to be enjoying it, passionate, and DOING SOMETHING about it. MAKING something happen.
i'm in my 30s and only just got into my first band. should have done it 10 years ago but i was always so painfully self conscious. i still think we're garbage. doesn't matter... if you step up on a stage (even a shitty open mic stage) people are waaay more impressed than i thought they would be. everyone wants to pat you on the back and chat with you because you are "the man in the arena". i believe this signals to women "i care about something and i'm brave enough to go after it" and i believe that's what they care about most.
the HARD part of all this is actually being somewhere that the right type of women are present. here in the UK they don't seem to leave the house unless they're going somewhere mainstream like a club or bar. it's so difficult to get that social proof, to have encounters with available women, and to actually get over that first hurdle towards going on a date.
Society is so celebrity driven. Even being a teacher or professor puts a person on display where others develop crushes on them. It appears where ever a person is put on display at a non threatening distance, enables another to access their attributes, possibly making them desirable. Women watching construction workers do their thing or a surgeon, etc will impress them. Many musicians have been asked, "why did you become a musician, or join a band?". Many answer the same, "to get the girls.". Many straight women like masculine men and many are looking for other types. As there are many different types of females and so on in today's society. Some aggressive and not so aggressive. If you want to meet someone with high standards then you must be aware of where you would find them. But very little is normal today. With the introduction of tvs with mega channels, home computers and other devices, people are more isolated and lonelier than ever. My heart goes out to anyone still searching for that someone special. As they say, 'many a mistake has been made in he wake of loneliness.''. And as the Chinese say, 'Life without love is a slow death'.
The best to you all!
You shouldn’t need to prove all that to get a date. All you need to get the date is some balls.
See a woman you like, start up a conversation with her then ask her out. Not hard if you don’t care about getting shot down. How do you do that?
To answer a question with a question, why is it that you don’t experience “approach anxiety” when you start up a conversation with a man? Get it? Don’t start a conversation with a woman with the intention of getting a date. Start a conversation with a person that happens to be a woman just like if you start a conversation with a person that happens to be a man. The sex of the person should be unimportant otherwise it will come off as creepy, needy, validation seeking, etc.
If you do this, instead of looking like you are seeking their approval and your self esteeem is based on you getting it or not (ie. weird and creepy) you can treat the interaction as a test of whether or not she is worthy of your time and continued persuit of a sexual encounter. But again, that is not the goal of starting the conversation just as it isn’t when you start a conversation with a guy you don’t know.
If she engages you genuinely and facilitates the conversation in a jovial manner then she’s receptive. Any other reaction and she’s not. And if not then politely end the interaction. Now you can move on without feeling rejected because you weren’t seeking her approval. But you did find out something about her attitude and that disqualifies her to you. Win win.
Now, if she did respond positively then keep it up. Continue the interaction the same way you would with a man. As long and the conversation is flowing in a positive direction then don’t derail it. But as soon and the conversation slows down, as it naturally should, or if there’s an awkward moment of silence, or if you just need to end it because you got your coffee and need to get back to band practice or whatever you are doing that’s more important, that’s when you need to pull the trigger.
This is the point where it all changes and you no longer treat this like you would if it was a man you were taking with. You got to switch from a friendly conversation with another person to a masculine man in pursuit of, ultimately, further interaction with her of a sexual nature. Should be easy to get the first date now and she didn’t need to see you performing for her attention. And the fact that you have an artistic ambition will be something that naturally comes up next time you see her. Plus it will increase her attraction to you so you are practically guaranteed a second date.
You don’t know how well set up you are my friend. Now all you got to do is find your balls. 😂
Good luck mate
Women are not interested in men’s personal hobbies or preferences. They are more focused on stability and character because it is much more impactful to their existence than a man’s love of music or arts.
I'm proud of you and your courage.
The social proof can only come from someone in her social circle, unless your an "super cool or important" person like a rocker/ celebrity/government official. Therefore the average guy needs to try to talk and make friends with other men or women who have friends that are single. Essentially a social network needs to be created for social proof.
This is my constant battle with loved ones. I enjoy work. Love what I do. It makes me happy and fulfilled when I solve problems and take a leap forward. It has nothing at all to do with money. I'd do it for free. But everyday loved ones are battering me and guilt tripping me with, "you need to relax, you need to enjoy life, go on a vacation." I don't enjoy vacations or sitting around 3 weeks doing nothing. It doesn't give me any joy. I want to create something, build. This segment hit home.
It is a gift. Most men don't have it. For most men beer and watching sports after shift is all they need. You are a prize from social stand pooint. It is a prize for a woman to have a man who is wired in such a way that he must provide no matter what. It is rare. Uncommon. It attracts leeches and parasites who are exactly opposite and are willing to go for a free ride along your side but only as far as getting the benefits go. They don't want to support in the times of hardship. Make sure that your wife always supports you in these pursuits. If she doesn't then keep in mind she isn't worth the rare prize that you are to her. So she better start supporting you too -- emotionally, psychologically, intellectually. Is she can't, she isn't worth you.
Do what's right for you. Stand on your own two legs.
The pursuit of greatness is the best thing I ever did for myself. My physical health, mental health, personal relationships, and finances have never been better. It’s made me my best version and in return I’m all able to take better care of those in my life.
Yes. Real women want masculine men! My hubby is not a big muscular man and I’ve never questioned his masculinity. He provides and I feel safe. He takes away worries and makes life easy. I’m very feminine and we both live life by our gender roles. Happily.
I find it interesting that there can be so many different types of successful couplings. I guess we need to learn what we want for ourselves and from our partners and not just be impressionable in the age of extreme egalitarian views.
Or real women have different preferences.
@@JuniperGal-ek2puno, real woman are feminine
@@MrSwagMan-l1h"real women are feminine" no, being feminine isn't something you have to be to be a woman. Do you ascribe to modern gender narratives too?
@@cosmo588 "Feminine" is relative; a much better way to put it perhaps, is that real women are not _afraid_ of expressing their femininity and/or being feminine, in spite of the constant browbeating of societal norms and/or the projections levied by their miserable academic peers described by Eric in this clip.
The reason my parents' marriage worked out was summed up perfectly by a quote i heard a long time ago.." a woman wants a man to admire and a man wants a woman to admire him"..
Good recent quote "would your mother have chosen your father if she had had tinder when they got together?" Says a lot.
@@cdurkinzthey're still going to choose the strong masculine man on Tinder😂 I would tell everybody just to go outside and look at who women are dating🎉 the movie Twister has produced a thousand memes because women were attracted to the strong masculine man🎉
This is not the whole truth. A man still needs a woman whom he respects. If she has totally subsumed her own life such that his goals are achievable he most likely will no longer see the challenge in (re)-winning her approval or admiration and gravitate towards someone who does stimulate him mentally.
Never forget: you have what women say they want; what they think they want, and what they actually respond to.
Almost never are the 3 things the same thing.
This is actually a great comment. 100% true.
Bingo.
Only one addition: and all three of those things change constantly…throughout the month.
Don't watch the mouth, watch the hands -Peter B Parker (Spider verse)
@@kc6810 oh no, they definitely want the top 10%, if you arent one of those dudes you arent even human to them, just a thing to be exploited, and they wont think twice about doing it.
"...destroyed by enforced helplessness."
This is the only sentence fragment this man has ever made with which I completely agree.
King David, from the Bible, he could slay giants, write beautiful poetry and dance in front of the public, protect his people, even give grace to his enemies. Made big mistakes but learned from them
Everybody had forgotten God nowadays.
But you know what ?
Those that will remain after ww3 ,will turn to him with all their heart ❤️!
Luke Skywalker, in the OT, could slay rancors, move objects with his mind, and only used the Force for defense, never attack.
Both king david and luke skywalker are both imaginary characters; the stories that they both come from are both fictional. In david's place, he's from a fictional storybook, written by humans and based on mythological malarkey and superstitious hogwash.
😂 'Nuff said....😂
Oh, and god is just another imaginary character from that same fictional storybook, written by humans and based on mythological malarkey and superstitious hogwash too.
A friend of mine who was in a high managerial position quit after all of the upper managers were basically replaced by women. They had a performance review (which he always aced) but this one lady gave him a negative one. The negative comment she left? He is "too confident". Mind you he was in charge of supply and training other workers in this major US chain store.
I definitely want a masculine man. Not an aggressive one but one that will protect me and stand up for me in the rare moments that I need that. I am so sick of being the man in my relationships. 🤷🏻♀️
You have got to choose on the basis of character. Seeking men with achievements and who state their character traits and are open about them.
If you can't find one you're very likely not what a masculine man is looking for
"Women become the men they want"
@jayc342009 And its gross
Yeah now u know what men are always expected to do, being the 'man' in a relationship does generally suck and leave you with the shorter end of the stick nowadays... As a man, I think I've only ever felt okay playing the 'mens' role a couple times within one of my relationships because I truly loved the girl and I was her first. Problems happened when I felt that she didn't show me enough care, love or desire so resentment built on my end which ruined the relationship. Honestly I'd wish I didn't have to play the 'men' role but in relationships where the woman deserves it, I'll do it for her to make her happy.
I like how there just a random drill press in the back of the room that probably hasn't been used for 20 years.
They are going to make some cabinets after they finish talking
It is A computer generated background
Men like to buy power tools but not use them.
its a fake background..
All of Eric’s value seems to be placed on career and professional status. There is as much or more value in falling in love, having a life with that person, raising a family creating a home with love and cooperation. That is a wonderful goal with value to society and culture and humanity
I agree a 100% but also his opinion is true for a lot of people.
These pseudo Alpha motivational channels cause widespread humiliation and the erosion of dignity in most males. Most work hard but never get on. If we all got on society would collapse because no one would be valued by doing the drudgery jobs.
Career and professional status are fed by the illusions of gaining happiness through consumption. Individualism above a functioning communal society, community. When our ‘advanced’ Western societies have provided the basics, at affordable prices, for their entire populations, we will deserve the term successful.
For now that ideal is ridiculed by the bankrupt free market ideology which states that the trickle down of relative success will solve everything. All that’s accomplished is a middle where avarice thrives but virtual signalling altruism for its own images benefit evades that. That ethos places value on all these motivational channels encourages, success for the individual, with philanthropic capitalist altruism creating avaricious profits.
Happiness isn’t by success as the only metric where it’s relative attainment is measured by materialistic consumption, buying things, or emotional consumption, buying experiences. You can’t buy happiness in either form. The sooner the silent majority revolt against the vociferous minority pushing that idiocy, the better.
Nope, he’s got a wife and kids.
@@user-up3dj3dh5edo you have a family if you're working 60-80 hours a week and you spend no time with them?
At the start of the postcast he called those men insane and then worships them in the same 15 mins.
This makes no sense.
@@seemlesslies Eric is not interesting in the family aspect. He is talking about how American society is losing edge and is lacking the kind of people with insane ambition and unusual values/skills that propel us forward especially technologically. Although I personally think his perspective is flawed, as the improvement of technology is not always something that we need.
I believe every man should strive to work hard in whatever discipline it is they pursue. Give your heart and live to make yourself proud that every Sunday you look back and say “I gave it my all, let’s try and get better next week”. Men and women will respect you if you think this way I believe
Facts.
yeah just don't be a loser
Not only every man, every woman too. If a woman wants to be a homemaker (raising kids) and a supportive wife, she should strive to constantly improve and do better at that. I don't think this is a gendered thing. As a man I'm also looking for women who put in their all in whatever they do and aren't sitting around not doing much.
@@adelb7897 You made a strong point there sir, couldn’t have worded it any better!
Don't give everything you have to any corporation. They will work you to death and just replace you. Hard work really just gets you a sore back, that's my experience. The promotion will go to somebody's niece or nephew. 😊
What a great video. 14:00 my husband told me exactly this. And we are now 50 years old. So it started back in the 1990s at least. Telling men NOT to be too ambitious. While telling women they need to be ambitious. A man who says he wants to be his own boss and make a lot of money will be chastised by society while women are looked down on for NOT wanting that.
I always wanted to be nothing but a wife and mother. I ended up going to college at age 20 because, honestly, I didn't know what else to do. I did not see men my age who I could see being a provider. And I was absolutely flamed for saying that. Again, this is the early 1990s. And I was living in a suburb in Florida. It's not like I was living in a modern city. So many women are told they need to be their own provider and never to depend on a man. And then they look around and think, yeah I guess they are right.
My husband and I have both done very well for ourselves. But only because we quickly undid the role reveral that we were programmed with. I've supported his career and took care of our home and family. My husband says now he can see what went wrong with men of our generation. Single mother households or if parents are still married, households have become matriarchal. Mothers are too easy on their sons. Fathers need to turn their sons into men. A man cannot even think of being a husband and father until he has become his own man first. And that only comes from hard times. Living an easy life with mom and dad just makes men soft. A man needs to get out on his own and learn how to support himself. Become a man first. Then later he can think of finding a wife and becoming a father.
For women, feminism has caused women to think that it's not enough to take care of a husband, children and home. While some women truly are career women, most are not. However, I can assure you, the "girl boss" stuff will die a quick death if women between 18-25 could see men who they know can be future providers. For so many women like me, it was true fear that I'll never be able to depend on a man. This is not to blame men for how women are. I honestly place most blame on mothers for pushing daughters too hard and being too easy on sons. But it all begins in the home. Boys in high school should start being primed for a career path and getting out on their own. Become a man and watch how fast women fall in line. Even the most hard-core feminist can turn into a soft feminine woman when she's around a masculine man. Men are not only happier being masculine, but women are happier too.
Men are reluctant to become providers today because they know that a woman can lie in their bed for 5 years after signing some documents and then walk away with the house, the car, and half of everything else that the man worked for to provide her. Then the court assigns to the woman, half of his net income in child support. They become providers without access to women or the children they made with them. So why do it?
In Moscow in 1950 there were twice as many women in their 30s than men in their 30s. This was in result of WW2, Great Hunger, Great Terror that all happened in late 1930s and early 1940s in the USSR. The tragic historical events affected men much more than women with net result being twice as many women than men in society. From genome analysis of over 300,000 samples we know that in the span of the last 5 million years twice as many women had children than men. From our species genome analysis about 40% of men who ever lived had children and as many as 80% women did. This is equilibrum for our species -- about 2 women per 1 men. If we are not in this equilibrum, like we haven't been since the end off ww2 -- all kinds of weird social phenomena happen. Like the one described by you. Interestingly for our species the balance is to have many more women than men in the dating pool. When these is 1 man per 1 woman we are in inbalance. Resulting in social awkwardness possibly followed by unrest, resulting in war, that will put things back into balance. In Poland there lived 36 milion people before Russia attacked Ukraine. Now we also have 2.5 million refugees, mostly women with their kids. At least 1 milion additional women in the "dating pool". With the same number of men. Trust me it is much harder to find a feminist here nowadays. And yes these moms have their men in Ukraine. Mostly dead or injured soldiers who can't escape the country. Or with PTSD or alcoholics. They haven't seen them in 2 years too. So many of these Ukrainian women are actually looking for new partners. I understand this is anectodal, but yes, somehow feminism ins't the thing in Poland anymore -- since all these ukrainian women settled here. If there ever is war with China in the US -- mostly men will die in the war. It is hard to be a feminist with all these women competing for small number of men who survived the war. I hope this never happens. Just wanted to throw another perspective into this.
People do not tell men to be unambitious. Why do people make shit up like this?
@@paulb7207 So if there’s a war going on, why are the Ukrainians still letting Russia ship gas through the pipeline all the way across the country. Russia has controlled the Crimean region for hundreds of years.
I know this is an older post, but the reason for this is that Feminism in the 60s thought they could level the playing field by simply getting rid of "oppressive" ideas. But by the early 90s it was understood that that simply didnt work. Equality was dropped and equity was picked up. And in order for men and women to have equity a finger had to be put on the scale.
Women could not compete with men, certainly not with the top tier men, so they had to make adjustments. Thats when you saw the start of the idea of blanket privilege, systemic issues and the like. It wasnt womens fault. It wasnt the fact that the average woman who wanted to have kids had to drop from the work force for around 4 years which would put her behind any male peer, even the worst. So that had to be corrected for.
But you cant correct for individual choice. All you end up doing is creating a new oppressive system that prevents men from exceling and then women state with lament, "Where have all the good men gone?" And they simply do not understand, you murdered them.
This type of discussion makes me feel less crazy. Much love to anyone who relates
Yes on wanting a masculine responsible loyal man who also can shoot an intruder. He doesn't have to be Brad Pitt. He needs to be a strong man who lives by values.
Sadly, virtue and values are not required in a world where it is easier than ever to sleepwalk through life.
Shooting guns are for people that can't fight
Archie and Edith singing "Those Were the Days" - "And you knew who you were then / Girls were girls and men were men" - comes from a time when women and men were much happier overall because they grew up knowing their place in society. Men got a job to provide for a wife and kids, married their sweethearts when both were in their early 20s. Girls had boyfriends in high school they went steady with and married when she finished school. A couple years later the kids were coming. The wife stayed home and tended the children while the husband worked. They lived simple lives for the most part - but they were happier than the men now days being blasted for masculinity and women coming home every night to four cats.
Nobody is satisfied being average anymore... and it ends up ruining everything!
I stopped caring about what women want, caring about what women want has led to the partial collapse of the country.
Bingo.
Less about women's wants and more about women's don'ts.
Woman are happier in their place and society thrives.
@@holysquire8989 Women are never happy. At best, they are less unhappy.
@@holysquire8989
A woman's place is anywhere she wants to be
Another crucial element to add to the conversation is that a lot of men in their later years look back and wish they had not worked so much. They wish they could have built better relationships with their families and friends.
A lot of men do nothing of the sort. Most may look back at the mistakes but they will absolutely view the success with rosy tinted glasses. Only a small fraction who went too far such as those with compulsive behaviours may have regret or men who had a catastrophic event or decision turn against them have regret. The men that have no family are the most likely to have regret.
As a man you don't need a family. You just need kids @@Art-is-craft
@@Art-is-craftmost do when their death bed is by themselves because they don't have any relationships lol.
Older men are always trying to buy back their youth what are you talking about.
No one lays on their deathbed and says "I wished I had spent more time at work"
@@seemlesslies those men who sacrificed everything for a successful career, will always have a leech or two trying to snatch that last pearl
I disagree with the work sentiments. My wife and I are in the same industry and she is arguably better than I at 90% of what we both do. I’ve only been in the industry for a short time comparative to her entire professional experience being in this industry. I switched professions and joined her industry as an SME from my own which is defense/military oriented. That being said, the way we handle work stress is extremely different. She and I spend almost every day after work talking through her problems, deconflicting work place quagmires, gaming solutions, etc. What my wife values in me, to get to the point, is that I’m a man who brings solutions to the entire constellation of life’s problems. I have principals and moralities that are incorruptible and I stand on them. I apply them to every scenario and will not bend on many things, not out of stubbornness or pride but out of self preservation. Strict adherence to my sense of self gives my wife a coherent and methodical course to follow. I think more than anything, people and not just women, want someone with a firm grasp on reality to follow. They want someone who can make sense of the blur that is modern life, someone who can introspect and reflect on what has worked and hasn’t as well as someone who can observe what is going on in the world and reliably arrive at accurate and timely conclusions. I think this also reinforces the rugged Marlboro man sentiment because there is some sort of exoticism surrounding the idea of the guy who rejects modernity and embraces tradition knows something that other men don’t. He’s more in touch with the forgotten ways, the ways that shepherded humanity for most of our history. Being adaptable, dependable, physically strong, emotionally resilient, competitive, hungry for success, constantly learning and pursuing new opportunities, etc are all hallmarks women look for but don’t admit they seek. Be that and your wife will be happy with you and people will want to be around you. A girl wants to show her dad someone better than he was.
Ambition is so important when a person is in their early 20s because they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. It is wrong to limit people who are young because you are essentially limiting them in life
Beautiful videography! The colors, angles, cuts, and wide-angles make this genuinely a beautifully filmed episode.
I grew up without school none after first grade. I was ignorant but ambitions.
- at 12 started mowing grass around the neighborhood and converted that into a small landscaping company.
- at 18 got my real estate license and started investing in flipping repossessed homes.
- at 34 I started a small tech consulting company primarily for the government sector.
-40 on track to replace my active income with passive income and be completely debt free.
All of these efforts started as interests that I pursued while always working a full time job and living on a shoestring budget. I am happy. But something is broken or different in me because I feel compelled to do more but society tells me to have a better ‘work life balance.’ Outside of the grind, I’m just stressed not killing it. One of the happiest memories I have was literally staying up for two days straight studying to pass a certification test that I failed prior to the study marathon. After I passed the test, I was dizzy, exhausted, probably lost weight due to not eating, but I was the happiest I’ve ever been.
Back when I was in university, I was top of my class. Unfortunately I got paired with the weakest and truly laziest guy in the class for experiments etc. Unfortunately for me this guy was also a "minority". When I would do the experiments entirely by myself due to his lack of input, including one time where he got a static shock from one of the pieces of equipment and refused to participate further, I refused to give him the results due to me doing all the work.
He complained to the year head and when I explained my side of it, he understood thank god because he could see with his lack of effort with his own eyes. But due to his minority status, the university implemented a policy of rotating lab partners each time, to cover their ass in case they were accused of racism.
What I learned most from going to university was that I really should have done a trade.
You can still do a trade if you are you enough. What field do you work in. It sounds like engineering.
@@Art-is-craft His post sounds like bs tbh.
@@sup1e no regular racism. the real racism that allways is against white people. wha t sounds bs to you is the concept of people working hard
@@sup1e Nah! My significant other is currently dealing with a PHD student, of a so called "minority". Not only does it appear that this person is incapable of reading (ie follow instructions) but he expects someone who has been longer in the game than equivalent age years of the student, to nanny him in mobilization to the job site. Pathetic. My significant other's father took early retirement from lecturing (over 20 years ago) in engineering due to being "pressured" to pass the profitable (international) students (ie asians).
You are out of touch. TOTALLY.
They don’t WANT masculine until they NEED masculine.
The same goes for men... But in current times men need the feminine more than the feminine needs the masculine. Men are looking for the feminine in the outside world, but women insist on being masculine or just not being there at all for them. So men have to integrate the feminine inside themselves. Only way. With men integrating the feminine I don't mean "be gay" or "be trans" or whatever, but look for the feminine aspects of your consciousness and tap into that, while simultaneously retaining your basic masculinity.
Actually that's not true
Absolutely! These guys are killing it, cooking from 7:00 to 14:21 non-stop! We definitely need more space for exceptional people to do exceptional things without any constraints. I've been feeling this way for years. It's frustrating to see support for mediocre individuals while incredibly talented people are discouraged.
💯💯💯Eric Weinstein is absolutely right. Raw ambition should be completely encouraged.
Raw ambition doesn’t have to be
ambition in comunistic west bhahah
Nope. It shouldn't be suppressed though but that is a different thing.
From a woman 's perspective (albeit not all knowing): Masculine men are attractive (doesn't mean you have to be stereotypically masculine). When 'masculine' traits move towards a toxic level [i.e: insecurity based: aggression, possession, obsession, arrogance, etc] typically it translates to short-term 'bad boy' attraction. When the traits are healthier [i.e. assertive, commitment, ambition, confidence, etc] they do much better in the long-term. Honestly, though these traits and many others can be attractive in either sex (often expressed differently) when they are coming from a secure place (or moving towards a secure place). As for the society portion.... maybe? I think it's a bit more nuanced then that... there's a lot of romanticism, impatience, poor understanding, and insecurity out there on all sides...
It's not short term because the woman leaves the bad boy, it's because he leaves her.
Women sure love writing about obsessed, possessive, aggressive bad boys that fall in love with them forever in their romance novels.
You typed a ton and said very little.
@@alexieyevcasanova7898 And you said absolutely nothing.
@@unapologeticanti-feminist3205 I think there's some nuance to your first point. Yes, it's typically the bad boy that leaves rather than the woman doing it. But I think the women who typically fall for the bad boys in the first place and actually try to be with them are broken. They are the ones who try to fix the bad boys.
The healthy and stable women don't even go for the bad boys. Or when they do, they don't stay. Not to say the stable ones aren't attracted or tempted but they know better to not to stray into temptation. Much like how some men know better than to try for the crazy broken women. Some still do, but a lot don't.
Sure, the guy can leave too.
Doesn’t really matter who leaves.
The romance novels are also short term ‘bad boy’ attraction. They then become the ‘good guys’ the girls wanted to begin with. It’s a fantasy I guess. Not really my thing. Kinda like the fantasy of porn 🤷🏼♀️ Both a romanticized version.
“Ludicrous get out the way” got me. 😂 Great conversation guys. Love these
The question they’re both tip-toeing around is, “how do we put an end to feminism without women losing their minds”?! Women wanted equality, and now that they’ve got it, they’re complaining about their lack of dating options. You can’t make this stuff up folks.
It's not your problem. Just walk away. Walk away from the situation. Let it be someone else's problem.
Equality isn’t here yet. Double standards still exist.
@@JuniperGal-ek2puWomen are not sexually attracted to men who are their equal. Women are hypergamous & want to adore & look up to their man. Not across or down at him. Those guys get friendzoned.
@@CommanderTexas Another random man telling women what they want 😂
@@JuniperGal-ek2pu. Yep. Like when a guy gets pulled over by a cop, he gets a ticket. When an attractive girl gets pulled over by a cop, they let her off ticket free. Oh, the irony
Learned helplessness is this time's greatest sickness. Teach a promising young man that his efforts are inconsequential and you'll eventually kill his spirit, which is worse than physical death.
I agree, great comment.
learned helplessness is bad for both men and women
Most of your efforts are inconsequential. The odds you're gonna make something of yourself working at McDonald's your whole life are basically 0. Hard work is rarely rewarded. Opportunities are given to the people who are perceived to be competent, the people that are perceived to be competent rarely are.
@@Nick-ij5nt In my experience, that's absolutely not true. Also, even if it was true, it's a bad life policy. Just keep trying man, you'll get there.
@@omarwest2430 I'm not saying you should never work hard, obviously you should, but it's pretty difficult to be motivated if you know your hard work won't get you anywhere.
The discussion about pushing talented people down is spot on. That is why I started my own business. They hate smart capable people and would rather keep them down. Society progresses by those who push the boundaries. You can see it in the schools too. We aren't pushing the best and brightest forward anymore. There are a lot of people that are bigger, faster, stronger, and smarter than me and I want them as the Wizard says in the Wizard of Oz to be "great men who dare to do great deeds." Then I can aspire to be the best I can be with what I got and we are all better for it. If you aim for the stars and land in the clouds you still went further than if you hadn't tried or if we look back to Karate Kid "show me paint the fence." Somehow America lost itself and I don't think it was an accident, I think that is how you destroy a nation.
Feminism lowered the bar by peer pressure and then character assisnated masculinity to eliminate the competition in some places.
theres actually something to this..
I really appreciate that you have chosen this time to put this clip out.
Thanks.
That Marlboro Man thumbnail pic is my uncle Tim. I knew he was a Marlboro Man but have never seen the pictures.
Just as well else you may have started smoking in school.
Good looking bloke
Always found him a handsome man!!!❤
How many 🚬🚬🚬 did he smoke a day
Im pretty sure the guy on a poster is Darrell Winfield
Some thoughts:
1. You talk about the difficulty in overcoming people who try to bring down the extremely ambitious by telling them they shouldn't be so ambitious. This seems to me a ridiculously easy barrier to overcome compared to what most normal humans who have addicted family members or who struggle to make ends meet or whose parents can't multiply 7x8 have to overcome. So someone thinks you shouldn't be ambitious. Learn to ignore them without cutting them down. Just get on with you life, I'd say.
2. In tech in the olden days, one of the problems was that ambition didn't just manifest as open and fair competition. Engineering involves a lot of very specific information which you can't just know by thinking harder, like where is the repo. If someone gives you an architecture diagram of the system and explains some guiding principles, you have a huge leg up over someone who just has the URL of the repo. And if you know the architecture and how to set the parameters for certain effects and so on, it's not in your best interest to share that information with someone whose job you covet, so information gets siloed, and progress is stymied. You're more inclined to share your diagram with someone who looks like you and has a similar background, someone you relate to, historically, someone male. You need a solution to the problem that there are many ways not to establish an even playing field without actually breaking the law.
3. Maybe men on average have bigger appetites for sex. And maybe traditional marriage is about giving men ready access to sex in exchange for physical protection and money to the woman. If that's true, then if women are not physically in danger and have their own income, they'll be less likely to want a long-term relationship.
you are completely right about you're third point. you should read the book called women have better sex under socialism.
@@anonanon7553I would just like to point out......that she used eastern and western germany as her study points......nothing else needs to be said.
Imagine actually trusting a single publication coming from Eastern Germany about human well-being.
As a 74 year old man, I have always wanted to be more vulnerable revealing my faults to the women in my life, I have learned over and over revealing my faults is a mistake. Women may say they want a soft and vulnerable male but if you do become too vulnerable they will immediately lost respect for you and start looking for another man. It doesn't seem logical. But no matter a women's background, at their core they want a confident and somewhat unapproachable male in their life.
You are 100% correct?
Absolutely 💯.... Three divorces proved this point.
This is a hard lesson I learned also. In short, women have no idea what they want or, best case scenario, want everything all at once. Either way is a terrible scenario for all involved
"Why are we not allowed to build better men?" So well put.
I disagree. For a given number of job or college admission openings, anything that you do to "elevate" the opportunities for one group of people will, by definition, relatively lower the the opportunities for those not in that group. Companies and government entities favor women right now. I am talking about the overwhelming majority of people, not the tiny minority of people like CEOs or politicians.
Additionally, society in the the USA generally promotes women and puts down men. When was the last time that you heard someone mention "toxic femininity" or even use the word misandrist? We hear "toxic masculinity" and misogynist used all the time. Instead of asking the question "Why are we not allowed to build better men?", why not stop discrimination based upon sex?
Hey Chris I have learned alot from your channel thank you so much
How many romance novels feature romanticized one-night stands?
My guess is that there are two different axes of attraction: sexual attraction, and husband attraction. All sexual attraction and no husband attraction is one-night stand zone, all husband and no sexual is friend zone, both is the prince charming. Many romance novels display men with lots of sexual attraction, and potential for husband attraction that isn't realized until the protagonist helps him realize it.
A lot of people will say they support things in principle but then they reject it in practice.
I think the question is wrong. You could ask "What kind of women do men want?" and be just as confused.
Women like all sorts of men, and the preferences change and vary for each woman. In general women these days need to get back to work at some point because 1. people can't live on one income anymore and 2. women need to be able to provide for themselves in case that the man they are with turns out to be unable or unwilling to be in a solid relationship. Returning to work after a break is not easy, which means a "good man" should be someone who is willing to help in the house and with the kids. That's how it is, if the man is masculine or not it doesn't matter for women on a day to day basis, as long as he is reliable person, can take responsibility and is a realist.
Women who lived before the late 20th century didn't need to rely on themselves. Somehow the human race survived for thousands of years despite women not relying on themselves and men getting into trouble, screwing up, dying, going to jail, going bankrupt or not being around, etc. Things were worse then and yet, we got through it.
Women do not seek weak men that sit around talking about their inner feelings. Nor do they want psychopaths. Women seek men that have character and are stable.
I watched a video the other day with Jordan Peterson interviewing an Evolutionary Biologist and they discussed a woman who's on birth control pills will choose a more effeminate man compared to who they'd choose if they weren't on the pill. I mentioned that to a young man who's a biology major and he said there have been instances where a woman on the pill gets married and she divorces when she gets off the pill because her hormones are different.
I have never thought about it but yeah if they're off the pill over time they would go back to a normal chemical balance
Correlation doesn't equate causation, but it's a hell of a correlation.
I’ve been happily married all my adult life, something I’ve noticed is that many of my female relations, female friends, friends partners, my wife’s friends etc, will marry a man…….until someone richer, funnier, more handsome, successful, comes along, whereas the men seem to marry for life… Discuss.
I disagree. Being able to geniunly find interest in another person until the end of your life is a matter of personal development. It's good when people of the same level find each other. But it's often when it's disbalaced. So, no. Both genders could be slutty in a realationship.
@@SIBIRIAKcom Sure, I wouldn’t argue with your view. My comment was based on my experience but it’s not a view of the world in general.
What a brilliant conversation. One of the best. I will need to watch this several times just to unpack it all. Fantastic
Agreed
My unpopular opinion in today's polarized society where everything needs to turned, twisted, labelled, agreed and filed in compartments (right now genders seems to be the craze) is that I think preferences differs wildly between individuals, from wanting masculine muscular men, hairy burly men, clean shaven men, to wanting the tortured artist, the funny and social comedian, the intellectual, etc etc etc etc. I know, very controversial that individuals have a mind of their own and the fact that my neural galaxy map in my head matches no one else and therefore I can not fully file them into "women think this.." convenient compartment based on my bias and unique view of the world. That's just simplifying the human mind. imo ofc
cos u dont understand how averages and generalisations work - youre an absolutist
@@spiff1 you see, none of these buff masculine men that advocate that really what women want is basically themself, I.e. buff masculine men, actually present any data for their “women want…”, “men think…” or “people are…” statements. No data from studies, no link to studies, how big sample sizes were and how strong of a correlation that was detected. A weak correlation will not help the majority of men and women trying to find a partner.
The good old saying correlation does not imply causation is good to keep in mind here.
And thank you for proving my point about labelling and filling each other into compartments based on our own biases!
Biology and instincts are central to male and female existence. Women judge men on character and stability, men judge women on feminine traits and agency.
In hunter gather human tribes women required males to be good at hunting and capable of defending them, males judged females on the ability to gather food and to raise the family. Without these traits humans would not exist today. And those traits are still emanating from biology.
@@apatheliac
It depends on how far you go back. Hunter gatherers would have been purely based on physicality. Remember we are not taking about fake steroid men but men who proved through their actions.
There's a huge difference between two people agreeing to try and solve a problem verses trying to convince the world why no "One" is willing to agree.
12:37 "How do we get rid of the administrators necessary to return universities to being universities?"
"AFUERA!!!"
Hombre de cultura
Women in power have caused this problem. I’m now being told I’m job interview (by women) we no longer support that ambitious work place.
Yes.
There are very few women in actual power. Any that do make it in government tend to have either competence or are put into power by a cohort of men.
“Enforced helplessness” it’s comforting to finally match a phrase to a feeling.
I wouldn’t say I’m an uber confident or uber competitive male but I’ve always been unaffected by other people’s amazing levels of competence and expertise. Quite to the contrary, I revel in their exceptional natures and simply appreciate them. But I also don’t elevate them above myself generally speaking as human beings. Why is this so difficult for so many people? And do they not recognize how toxic it is to be jealous or coveting another person’s innate abilities?
Besides, most people refuse to put in the level of effort it takes to be that good at something.
So just be grateful for what you have that you didn’t have to sacrifice in order to reach those heights. We make choices; the choices highlight what we value.
Just try to learn to be okay with you just as you are or else go apeshit and pursue that dream.
It’s all good.
That's real confidence.
Dilbert uses Dogbert's Dating Service:
Dogbert: "Modern women want a strong man who takes charge. Later, they'll divorce him as a controlling jerk."
Dilbert: "You mean that women will stay married to a weak man?"
Dogbert: "I didn't mean to give you the impression that you could win."
-Scott Adams
Many of the points made in this video are made and expanded on in Ayn Rand’s ‘Atlas Shrugged”
Who is John Galt?
This utilitarian discussion of “how/where can I find this person who not only benefits me in doing all that I want but also one whom I can mold every aspect of to my liking or to how I see fit?” I think is the root cause of misery for people when it comes to relationships, in essence nothing but expectations, demands, dead and hollow, then why wonder what is wrong here?!
They are discussing two independent things which at a certain thresholds become diametrically apposed.
It’s real simple, what do you REALLY want and why?! And who are you really?
Any serious/committed relationship necessarily requires not only real affection or “duty” but mix of trust, empathy, honest communication, faithfulness and a good/great deal of compromise if it is to withstand let alone thrive in the face twisting, wearing, tearing and trying forces of close relationship dynamics.
Ambition (true ambition) doesn’t accept compromise, and it doesn’t settle, see the problem here?
It so happens that the truly ambitious (who want to be of the oh so sought after 1%) preach to all people “forget about this whole wishy washy, touchy-feely nonsense, you should be more like me, ambitious, disagreeable and ever so unyielding or uncompromising.
Then the people who may be of the opposite predisposition (naturally agreeable, sensitive empathetic and caring) get offended back and you get this whole dumb tug of war culture that wants to force and convert people to “the right” way of living life, hah, keep looking for “the hack” for that foolishness all you want.
If everybody truly needed to strive to be that “1% of so called success chasers” they would no longer be “the 1%” now would they? Nor would there be anything special about the whole thing, eh?
Conversely you can’t force or teach empathy, creativity, love or altruism, those are character traits you either have/embody or you don’t.
Make up your mind about that truly matters to you or find that out for yourself, there is no way out.
I appreciate your thought-out tangent, it legitimately pinpoints some things that I need to think about in a better way. Trying to balance my individual wants and needs with the collective wants and needs of others has caused a great source of confusion in my life. I think a lack of love and affection has led me to seek out many things that I don't truly want or need.
@@meme6335 You ‘re welcome, just expressed my thoughts on these prevalent discussions.
Best of luck with your life.
@@Beesoyou can tell the entire talk is just elitist ranting without any real fore thought into the complexity of how society works.
He calls the men that work extreme hours insane and then tells you to worship them.
He says we need to build better men for a women acting like a man? What?
This dude makes zero sense.
Women want real masculine men even if they don’t know it. The older you get, the more you long for a person who can take a lead and bring the family forward. As a woman, it’s so frustrating and tiresome being the masculine and the feminine person in a relationship. Lot of modern men are soft, have a weak mind, no ambition, afraid of responsibility... You have to drag the man with you, because they don’t know how to lead a family. Same way as women have not been taught, how to support a man or how to value and use the feminine power. I think the tides are changing though… women are realizing, that if men are weak, women are weak.
This was said by a female that does not let the male lead. As usual. And even if you're right, it's you paying the price for the other 10 women he tried to lead and wouldn't let him lead before he met you. And women are not showing any signs of changing, but to maybe become more masc.
@@grantwithers
I bet the moment the man starts to lead this little "lady" the battle starts.
you aren't worth protecting anymore.
Or women have different preferences.
Eric's question is the big dilemma of communism. As Jordan Peterson said, the threat of Communism will always be here, because there will always be people blaming their plight on others.
I think you and Peterson missed the point of communism. Communism isn’t about blaming plight on others. Ironically it’s about hard work in a communal setting where the government owns the means of production. In late stage capitalism the elites blame their plight on the working class and convince you that immigrants are the source of your problems and not neo-feudalist practices and neoliberal policies.
Eric, you're describing excellence not elitism.
What frustrates me about this conversation is that it's the exact same conversation every, single, time. Another thing is it's the same people that are spoken about. STEM, entrepreneurs and business types. Like what? Less than 1% of the population. They're always used as examples and talking points when they're not reflective of society as a whole. It's just constant regurgitation from the social media types. Jordan Peterson used these people as an example as that was the types of people he treated. Now it's just stuck in peoples minds and it's all we hear about.
Eric Weinstein you are exceptionally brilliant, your way of looking at things is mind boggling unique. You should do more podcasts for humanity.
I struggled so hard in life bc of those people saying how dare you be smart driven and build things. These people need to go some where. Just bc i was born elite doesnt give them the right to destroy me.
I would advise reading and studying Machiavelli. It may help you to temper your self so that others do not react in a negative way.
What nirvana wood shop is this being recorded at?
I want a close look at the radial arm saw.
Lol
When he closed his eyes to formulate his response to the first question you could tell he’s very thoughtful
There is so much muddling of concepts - people want to avoid the muddling with new concepts, and then the muddling starts a new round. "Women prefer masculine men", that's the first empirical round. Then comes the next level - do we mean hyper masculine, toxic masculine, or positive masculine? Next level: do we mean masculine in mind or body? What do we mean by women - a statistical mean of women's attitudes, or the most intellectually brilliant women in the workforce?
What do we mean by healthy? Healthy for the average or for every category? Healthy for every age group? For every body type? And what about gender? What about happiness and life-satisfaction?
What elite do we really admire and want to promote? The intelligent, the kindest, the most altruistic, the most athletic, the most mathematically endoved, the most balanced and peaceful, the most caring, the best chess players, the Nobel Price winners, the richest, the most fashionable, the most musical, the most shameless power-grabbers, the most inventive, the most traditional, the best sellers, the most logical, the most imaginative, the most entertaining....
What is toxic masculinity?
@@Art-is-craft Lying, cheating, manipulating, taking advantage of, scaring, self-righteousness, bossing, etc with an air of having the right to do it all, because of traditional masculine roles of domineering unreflectingly. If a woman does these things with an air of that she is entitled to it because she is one of the so called weaker sex - that is toxic femininity.
There is positive masculinity and positive femininity, too, in opposite to the negative traits above. These are more dependent on subjective taste - stick to your variety.
Yes, of course we do.
What kind of women want feminine men?!
My dad was a builder, he didn't make lots, but he worked damn hard for his family. I chose a man with similar principles.
Commited, hardworking, and covered in tats!
He usually lets me get my way, but when he puts his foot down, he means it, and I love him all the more for it.
This is more important than it seems to most people, but here's a proof of how important good fathers are for children. You were raised with a good masculine model so you knew what to look for. On the flip side, I spend my 20s chasing women like my mother just to realize she was a selfish blackhole of victimhood. Now i flee those like the plague, but i lost a good chunk of my young adult life trying to build a castle on sand...
@overtaker12
Possibly everything happened the way it needed to?
You could now help teach younger men what not to chase, from what you went through with your experiences...
There is always an upside to a downside...
If you haven't found the one, just focus on you & she will appear..
There are still alot of good women out there...
Someone told me stop fucking with peasants & wait for your king...
Same as for anyone I believe vice versa...
Just focus on becoming the best you with confidence & humbleness...
Watch what happens...
@@loveme77527 Ah yes, the "everything happens for a reason" mentality. Nice feeling, but very naive and main character syndrome kind of view of the world in my opinion. I would never DARE tell someone victim of abuse of ANY kind that it "happened for a reason".
"the is always an upside to a downside".... what a empty series of words.... no, there isn't always in real life. Sometimes a rapist get away and the victim dies, sometimes millions of jews are gazed cause of some lunatic on Meth who wanna pin all the evils of the worlds on them. thinking the world is a place who always rewards those who deserve it is a nice feeling, but a lie... Unless you think it was worth it for them to die so we could learn a lesson? witch would be even more twisted...
I won't keep going cause I think I made my point, but your fortune cookie phrases might make you feel better, but they aren't the reality nor are they helping anyone.
I am doing better and building myself up, but i almost offed myself before that...
You did say something true in all that though, there are still a lot of good women out there and I hope i can be so lucky as to find one.
We all want strong, principled loyal partners.
@@reneelibby4885Be honest you want the most attractive man to be loyal to you but the truth is HE NEVER WILL cause what attracts you to him also attracts other girls & he has ALL the options 😂
Gentlemen, live free and enjoy.
A man that can control & speak his mind into existence is the ultimate threat! Take accountability & learn from mistakes. Quitting isn’t an option
8:03 This was such a powerful moment in this clip/interview. Such a beautiful question.
It all kinda goes together, if you think about it: single, working mothers with children who have no fathers. The making of weak men who are purposeless and aimless, and hyper-sexualized girls / young women who seek bad partners at an immature age because they're seeking a protector... the deletion of competition that determines hierarchy (everyone passes their school grades now)... the unreliability of the media and "facts"; the growing inactivity and apathy of individuals; the collapse and entropy of our society. More control from the government over those who are mentally unstable, drug-dependent, and lack support from partners, parents, and local communities. Marxism. It's all a power struggle!
Not Marxism, its all a result of Christianity
It's simple Marxism, which leads to Communism indeed. It's that simple. You're completely right.
Calling every problem Marxism isn't really an argument.
The fixation of Across and above relationship being solely based on salary is not representative or fact. Equity in a relationship does not mean a mirror image and also following the same vein mean they are both at the top of the same game. People look for partners that they can look up to in areas that complement them, not a mirror image.
Equity of interest, curiosity, passion and authenticity is what people look and stay for.
speaking of men being told to not have ambition: i find it interesting that all of my male teachers have preached to not be mediocre and have pushed me, while few female teachers have ever told me done this.
I always hear what people want when it comes to looks, never about one’s morals, intelligence, and personality. And then we whine why we always get bums and sociopaths for friends and lovers? I am NOT saying looks aren’t important. They are! But one’s interior life is just as important if not more so!!!! Yet nobody wants to talk about that! I wonder why??
Looks are important even when we're not talking about people. What kind of bananas would you buy from the supermarket?
If you're talking about friendship, sure, however, you mate with your body, looks is all that matters when you're talking about mating.
It is not looks it is superficial behaviours. We are in an age of the superficial with some people ignoring natural characteristics in favour of shiny buttons. This is not a new phenomena.
My experience is that I'm frequently met with judgement and criticism for voicing any preferences in the looks department. Everything I say regarding morals, intelligence, and personality is generally ignored in favor of deconstructing my preferences in a woman's looks.
Chris… great discussion… couldn’t stop wondering about the warehouse setting. My ADD kept getting the better of me!
"Why are we not allowed to build better men?" -> There it is. A mic drop if I ever heard it.
I graduated in 1973. Determined to have a forever employment so I wouldn’t have to be dependent on a disappointing man.
I wasn’t looking for a man to do anything for me to succeed, just don’t impede me or us. Was married at 20, employment as ICU nurse and other hospital jobs, for 20 years, 40 yrold son, still married 49 yrs.
I encourage anyone reading this to go enter a race. It doesn't matter what kind of race, whatever you can do. For me, it is bicycles, mainly because cars get really expensive. But the point is to go out there and do something as hard as you possibly can. Chances are you will be beaten in your first event and many thereafter. At least you did something to the best of your ability. If you keep with it, chances are you will improve, though it is statistically unlikely that you will become the absolute best. That puts you in a better (and more humble) place than the guy that sits lazily on the couch thinking he could win the whole thing if he tried. The loser isn't the last one across the finish line, it's the one that never crossed the starting line. It doesn't really have to be racing, just absolutely go for it in some pursuit where you can't cheat and where you are evaluated against your peers. It's so much more rewarding than wasting away on the couch.
What a fabulous episode bro! A must watch for young men like me who are really struggling to understand the modern expectations.
I forgot the source but:
Never take yourself serious. Always take your work serious.
That is horrid advice. Sounds like something a sociopathic manager would tell his people. Why on earth would I take something as pointless as work more seriously then I take myself?
@@peteschaub7561 it’s clear you aren’t doing work that you genuinely enjoy or are interested in. “Work” isn’t the same thing as “employment”.
@@sf356 yes, like 99.9% of humanity for all of history, I work to provide for my family. This idea that you're supposed to get deep meaning out of what you do for money is an absurd modern conceit. I get a more profound sense of satisfaction out of simple chores like splitting and stacking firewood than I ever have at work.
@@peteschaub7561 good luck in creating excuses as to why you can’t enjoy your source of income. Avoiding purpose in your work is more of a modern conceit than getting paid for sincere interest in a subject. You sound miserable. Carry on.
@@sf356 I'm not miserable lol. I love my life. I never said that I hated my job, that I'm not good at it, or even that I don't think it's fun sometimes. But to think that I get some kind of profound purpose from a 8 to 5 corporate job is laughable. I'm a father of 3 with a great family. I'd quit my job in a second and never look back if it made their lives better.
My wife is 6’1”, and I’m a little over 6’3”. She married me when we were both young army medics, and 52 years later we’re still going strong. Thankfully we were both looking for someone who we loved to share life with, not for some perceived prestige reasons.
Stanley Jordon is an incredible guitarist!
I WILL DO 1 PUSH-UP EVERY LIKE THIS COMMENT GETS...
That's one more for me 😂
Get to work! 😂
Why???
Do you think you'll be more attractive? Fine if you're doing it for health, but I don't personally announce it.
@@fay5479 Did you watch the video, lol? Ambition for the sake of ambition is manly. Ambition is watered down by feminism and critical race theorists. Feminism deems ambition to be toxic masculinity. Critical race theorists claim ambition and hard work are vestiges of white imperialism.
when Eric says "this is ludicrous, get out the way" he didn't know he was meme-ing Ludacris