How scary would it be to have a young daughter claiming to be trans, when you know it's actually 99% likely she isn't, but every institution is applauding her decision and encouraging her along.
@Scott Purcell Literally this. Talking to my son and his friends, and remembering from my youth, you spend all your time trying to fit in - with ANY group that will make you feel welcome and special. Then you make life-changing decisions and get locked in. With gender and sex it's even harder to change your mind later for fear of judgment from peers "Oh, they can't make their mind up". So you end up stressed and angry and trapped. Trying harder and harder to convince yourself and others around you. Having said all this, most people definitely know what they want gender/sex wise, and it's only a good thing that society is growing more excepting each day.
The child trans surgery is interesting to me. A 10 year old child wouldn’t be charged as a adult for murder because they don’t understand the finality of death. That same 10 year old understands the finality of gender surgery but not death? 🤔
yeah I'm pretty sure 10 year old knows more than anyone else on the planet how they feel about themselves, and furthermore hormone therapy or hormone blockers can be undergone without permanent effect, and btw killing someone else is a horrible crime and stupid straw man argument against letting individuals live how they choose
Or they're not allowed to: Get married Vote Drink Serve in the military Work Smoke Drive Open a bank account Enter a porn site Watch specific movie ratings without adult supervision Ok ok y'all ll get my point
Speaking from experience. I grew up as a Tom Boy. I wore boys pants because they were comfortable and easy for me to run around and be the wild child that I was. (Also, to those who watched WWF back in the day, always like the Hardy Boyz pants, thought they were cool at the time.) I prefer to get down and dirty and do a hard days worth of work. There were even days I would dress like a tom boy with heels just because I wanted to. Yet today I consider myself a Girly Girl who is not afraid to do a man's work. Personally I do not believe my behavior had anything to do with my gender identity. More had to do with "This is what I like at the time"
Me too. I’m such a hetro woman and yet I grew up loving soccer and preferring male company as it was simpler (not because I was trying to date) funnily enough emotional strength seems to be a common factor in all my female friends. They don’t sweat the small stuff , hate gossip all are however very female! 🤷🏻♀️ and who cares 🤣🤣
Me too Amber, although I'd describe myself as very feminine now. Had a short period at about age 11 when I wished very hard that I were a boy...reflecting now, how with overzealous adult influence that could have led to a transition were I currently 11. That thought also brings up an enormous disparity between the rigidity and traditional nature of my parents, who almost pathologically resisted change. This new generation of parents is apparently, quite pathologically, pro-change. Let them become adults first.
Guinevere Pendragon yep and I think I said when I was around 4 “when I grow up to be a boy like Phillip”. Phillip was my older brother who I idolised and was this little person who was cool. His gender was irrelevant , I just wanted to be him. Heaven forbid if I had “progressive” parents. 🙄
Amber, from my experience, the best Women I've known are ALL "Tomboys," especially ones that Love the idea of being with real men, admire and respect good men - NONE are Feminists!
Joe is killing it these days with the guests he's having on. Abigail Shrier and Debra Soh, two women who are standing up for the human rights of teens and children despite the incredible cost. THANK YOU for having the courage to support these women.
Puberty is a very difficult time for all people. I think I wanted to be a boy when I was 12 too. Please let children go through puberty and at least graduate high school before they make these kinds of decisions.
Im a 28 y/o trans woman from Ireland. Yet again, thank you Joe and huge shout out to Dr Soh for this conversation and book. I will be buying it! You cannot put a price on good conversation. Its crazy that the only place I feel I can voice an actual opinion is on the comments section of one of Joes videos. I think this is why Joe appeals to me so much, its written all over his face how he genuinely wants everyone to be happy. If he disagrees with anything you believe, it will almost certainly come from a place of caring and I appreciate this type of media sooooo much. Thanks again x
...not to be prudish...but the over sexualization of society is leading people to ask kids to decide their “sex” before their primary sex hormones have even really kicked in.
Jessica well, maybe there’s some confusion because in english, it’s called sex, but whether you feel like a boy or feel like a girl is a different question than whether you want to have sex with men, women, or both. Sexual feelings typically don’t start until puberty. You’re right that it’s too early to ask kids about that. But sexual identity is something else. “Feeling like a boy” or “feeling like a girl” are questions you can ask children and it has nothing to do with where they want to stick their pp and vajayjay. That being said, if a doctor diagnoses gender dysphoria, It might be a good idea to wait with serious transition until they’re adults.
@@jeremythompson5151 Again, you too are confusing Sexual identity with Sexual preference. There's nothing sexual about feeling like a boy or a girl. I have never seen anyone advocating for the removal of the "child" label. I think it's just in your head, dude.
@@BartvG88 Its not an open advocating for the removal of the child category. Its the idea that kids can choose to take hormones before 18. The implication is that if you can choose your sexual identity at 4, what other things can you now consent to and choose?
Of course it is, and it's by design, imo. How else can the "struggle industry" (which sadly is a thing) be guarenteed continued existence? The activists are the most easily manipulated into anger and are the tools of the struggle grifters at the top.
yup took me about 5 years of reactions to the left to go from progressive, to libertarian, to basically nazi. The right wing didn't push me there, the left did.
It's okay to be confused, just so long as it doesn't lead to *questioning,* which is clearly a bigoted practice invented by the white man to keep the (insert minority of the day depending on political polls) down.
@@Vic2point0 LMAO...."questioning" is a "bigoted practice invented by the white man"....That will more than likely make the list of top 5 dumbest shit posted on the internet today.
yeah this is a load of crap. good for her she wrote a book. the book is a huge overthink about invented struggles. man needs things to worry about and people are way too comfortable now.
@@darbycrashed4256 dont you think he was kidding? Jesus I hope he was kidding (I'm assuming Vic is a he), the end part, "insert blah blah blah" definitely sounded sarcastic 🤷♂️
Hank Hill Well... the ‘woke’ crowd IS LITERALLY saying that schedules are “the white mans invention”, & “mathematics is the white mans invention to keep minorities down.” I’m not even fucking kidding.. a chart of all of this crazy shit was literally on the BLM WEBSITE (along with a ton of other absurdly insane claims), until they took it down - probably because they saw that the majority of people saw that to be absolutely absurd, & rightly so.
Imagine getting backlash for saying we shouldn’t pump our children with hormone suppressants/opposite sex hormones and that we should stop medical sex procedures for children. Good luck world
Along with banning Medical sex procedures for children, Circumcision should be banned its crude and an out dated procedure. Cutting boys who have no choice n the matter
@@sunnywaffles There are still major medical benefits to that (don't argue this point it's just cleaner) plus massive religious implications. You essentially be denying Jewish men their right to be Jewish, not an overstatement.
Imagine getting backlash for being in complete opposition with all of the studies on the subject while simultaneously masquerading as "the one who believes in science"? For example de Vries, McGuire, et al, 2014 found among other things that after undergoing the transition path of puberty blockers in adolescence -> HRT -> SRS (SRS is only ever performed in adulthood btw) the patients well-being was "similar to or better than same-age young adults from the general population" and none of the patients ever reported any regret. It is Debra who is the anti-science one when it comes to this debate.
totally agree and whats most annoying is when politically motivated tactics (left right alt etc.) are being supported by quasi scientific reseach. just looking at everyone as unique would help but good luck with waiting for that.after 2k years of catholic ideology that will never happen.
We don't let children drink beer even if they want to because they see mommy and daddy do it. Why would we let a child make such an adult decision as transitioning?
I think it state sanctioned child abuse, and doctors, academia, the press, and government should be ashamed of themselves for letting it happen. Its a political hot potato.
Then there's the psychological effects on the parents who have to live with the guilt of making a decision with the best of intentions but having the worst of consequences. Plus there will be siblings, grandparents, friends who will also be affected.
Although he called himself a meathead a couple of times in other episodes, Rogan clearly has a brain that takes info like a sponge and an openness to ideas that should make a lot of intellectuals blush. Pretty sure that guy must be on the gifted end of the iq spectrum. He no simpleton.
Remember a decade or two ago, there was the term "Tom boy" and that's as far as we went as a society. Now it's "she picked up a baseball bat so she must be a man! Change her sex while she's 6 years old"
In the 2nd wave, we talked about the problem of pathologizing little boys who gravitated to "girl stuff" like dresses and dolls, sending them to psychiatrists or abusing them in an attempt to "fix" them. Everything old is new again.
Dr. Soh is bang on. In Calgary, Canada there is a group of upper middle class school teachers and administrators who actively encourage teen girls to transition. Parents are the last to know, and are publicly labeled as bigots by the zealots and their children. It almost feels like grooming.
This is the case here too in Colorado. Your kid can go around as the opposite sexl, using a name they prefer and the teachers go along with it and you won't even get a heads up from the school. Its kind of shady. Because what business is it of yours? Talk about the underworld. And if you bring it up to the teachers they are the first to tell you oh no this is real and how dare you question what your 8th grader is doing. Riiiiight.
I had to wait until I was 35 to have my tubes tied but children can have a sex change? This seems a little unbalanced to me. I'm pretty far left and I strongly believe adults can do whatever they want with their bodies but children shouldn't be making life altering decisions.
@Sienna Waters I was severely ill for 6 months and had multiple potentially life threatening surgeries a few years ago because 5 different doctors all told me that my pain was due to a minor UTI and/or psychological. Meanwhile, I had two softball sized cysts wrapped around each ovary and my colon was wrapped around one of them. You deserve to live a life that is free of pain. Don't be afraid to tell multiple doctors where to shove it until you find a doctor who actually listens and treats you with respect. Also, you don't need to be cured of questioning any aspect of yourself... it's okay to be who you really are regardless of whether that person fits into other people's black and white categories. Best of luck to you.
I thought his reaction was odd, I know a lot of tomboy's in research STEM fields who very similar to Dr Soh. They tend to concentrate in academia, many have PhD's, smart, focused, result driven, and some of most productive people their departments. Most I know are completely hetero even if they can a bit low on empathy department but I think that's just par for the course.
Very interesting topic. My wife’s best friend is a girly girl, but she drives a big suv, loves football, and can drink people under the table with some Busch lights. It doesn’t need a damn label, she just has tomboy tendencies. Fuckin dumb that the world is trying to diagnose these things
@Doomer K Kid try it out on campus, it's definitely changed in the last 5 years. Some girls are deeply offended while back in the day the same girls thought it's cute. It's actually mind-boggling.
@M Z "I can’t imagine prehistoric women being kind and nurturing." That says more about you than it says about prehistoric women though. What, you think all prehistoric children grew up as sociopaths, devoid of motherly love? What makes you think the next generation of girls would not immediately have decided to do better by their own kids?
Frankly, if I could change gender when I was 12, I would have done it. I was genuinely uncomfortable with my gender when I was young. I started getting weird looks from men and boys. Thank goodness I grew up before "transitioning" was a thing. I survived by wearing shapeless clothes, boyish hair and being awkward and miserable for years. It was not until I was 21, when I started to get comfortable with my gender and could handle sexual attention. It was a gradual process . If I look at pictures from the last 8 years, I can see that I dress more and more feminine. I see that I have more and more female friends. This would be unthinkable for my 15 year old self.
Today I'm glad I'm a woman and would not exchange the experience I had when I was pregnant for anything. It's scary to think that teenagers today, who share my past discomfort, have the opportunity to change gender. Is just robbing them from growing up.
Yeap and that story is not unique, if anything that is the way of it. I mean myself and all my guy friends were literally afraid to talk to girls, I was even on the wrestling team and during season we got to go in front of the whole school during preps rallies and there were cheerleaders just for wrestlers called Wrestlerettes, plenty of reason for confidence is the moral of the story but still when you have it on a pedestal you are going to be nervous, was a weird time. Even though I never had any transitional thoughts or preference switch ideas, having an option available to potentially fit in easily would likely have been alluring for the wrong reasons and damage could have been done just to make a rough time in my life easier in the short term. Honestly that not feeling comfortable in your own skin that is all to common around the high school years is an opportunity for growth and that is what you described.
Thank you Layla for sharing your perspective. I was similar to you, spent my teens feeling boyish and out of place with my female peers. I shopped in the male section of clothes, and dreamed of attending an all boys school. My high school was an all-girls Catholic school with an emphasis on social communication and conformity. Complicating the situation was bullying I received, and all the conflict I got stuck in. Also a trouble-maker. In my twenties, I was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome. Although not everyone in my shoes has it, there is an interesting correlation between autism and 'transitioning.' But what if, when I was younger, people assumed that I was secretly trans? What if, in a foolish idea to gain my peers acceptance, then I'll pretend that I'm trans? Another problematic issue is that teenage girls go through puberty, and may struggle to handle it. You experience new sensations, hormones, emotions, and attractions. The 'trans' concept may offer comfort to teenagers who hate puberty. My understanding of gender and sexuality was shallow as a teenager. Now as an adult, I love being female. I want kids someday, and I'm comfortable with my gender. I can't imagine having a different body, if anything, I'm really protective over what I do with it.
Thank you for sharing, I never had a feeling or thought about being in the "wrong" sex when I was a teenager, but I was a bit more feminine than and there were teased about it and who knows if the options were available to transition what I would have done. From being a hyper kid that had a lot of friends when I became a teenager I became depressed and turned inwards a lot and just stayed away from social situations, I still had great friends from my childhood however, then all of a sudden I went the opposite way around 16 and started partying drinking and going crazy, lost my feminine side of me. Turned out I got diagnosed Bipolar at the age of 30 :) who the hell knows what the underlying issues is, especially when you are kid or a teenager. I did not figure it out until I was 30! I live in Sweden just for context.
This is such an important message. Many, many people will be very uncomfortable and awkward throughout their adolescense, but for the vast majority it will eventually get better. I worry that some activists are pathologising normal, albeit negative and difficult, experiences for political ends despite the lifeling consequences misguided youths may have to suffer.
we've literally gotten to the point of "best friend" bad parenting that parents are letting their kids change genders without questioning it at all... all of our problems right now stem from bad parenting
That was due to States deciding that parenting was too complicated for us plebs and installing significant hurdles and threats of losing our kids for the dumbest shit. Imagine being told that you are a neglectful parent because you allowed your child to hurt themselves. The exact situation was a three-year-old headbutting her dad and getting a temporary red mark, no bruise, not a bump, just a red dot that lasted for 30 minutes. Combine that with the 3rd wave feminists attacking anything male and the deflecting of responsibility by our Bureaucrats and politicians, and we have the cluster fuck we have now.
I’ve always found it interesting that if a boy wears pink and likes dresses, he has to be ‘girly’, gay or trans... I feel that being actually ‘woke’ could mean that instead of saying he might be trans, they could say he is just a boy that likes pink and dresses, and no other label has to be put on him... I’ve never understood why people jump to thing instead of just accepting that that’s just what the child might like.
yes! you can be a feminine man and a masculine woman, and still be a man, and still be a woman. The shame is that society still punishes men who are feminine and woman who are masculine. We all have testosterone and estrogen in differing amounts. One shouldn't have to hide in the shape of the opposite sex to be accepted. That's the crime
@@mohammednabil5254 that's your opinion. That doesn't mean that person is actually homosexual. He might be gay or maybe he just likes to have a dress on or wear pink. What he does to his body doesn't affect you. Maybe because you don't understand? And that's why you say it's "gay asf"?
Joe’s attitude towards the backlash is exactly what makes his podcast so popular. He’s a secure man who knows who he is and isn’t afraid to stand up for that.
Exactly! I've got a friend who just a couple years ago was a bigger fan of and generally a supporter of JRE, for the most part we agree on the same values and hold similar interests, share a darker & twisted sense of humor than most . . . but for some fucking incoherent and indefinable reason he's now super skeptical and adversarial against Joe & much of his guests. He's not actually a woke SJW but can't help but abstractly take that side and when I try to get a real concrete reason why I get an obnoxious history lesson going back hundreds of years and even into this pretentious academic semantics that are suppose to show me how everything "anti-woke" personalities say are actually negatively affecting real genuine social change, like because we point out the lunacy in what's called the far far Left we are really hurting and misrepresenting these people and issues. Like WTF! NO! That's exactly what the nonsense lunatics are creating, that is why they're counterproductive and the transparent virtue signals are making these issues into a mockery especially for those uninterested in looking at the full context or bigger picture! Idk how it could be any more clear. The individuals who can admit "I Don't Know" & show honest humility, "Idk but I'm looking at it genuinely and authentically," and have not lost their sense of humor and aren't blindly loyal towards rhetoric and agenda are most likely on the correct side and hold sanity, because myself at least, despise even having to pick any side or use vague and tainted labels like right or left or red or blue, etc. If anything I'd say Honest as possible & Authentic towards my point of view -against- The Disingenuous & Despicable!!! I almost think this friend of mine is playing a long con on me just to drive me insane! Very sorry but I just had to get that out! Hope all is well with yourself and your world and thankyou for any possible patience & common ground that may be shared here.
Plus he doesn’t have to worry about Hollywood and msm to pay him. We are curious about this and he is asking about what us regular people want to know about in most of his podcasts these days.
@@Jack_MoG I don't know specifics or about other areas, but my mother is a teacher in Arizona so I know a little bit about that system. They have some sort of "improvement plan" that is customized for the individual student. It is a nightmare for teachers, but it is part of getting those delicious Federal tax dollars back they took from our paychecks. Our schools do have some good prep systems and trade programs though.
I saw him on America's Got Talent as a comedian....painful bit. He won't be famous for comedy but he will be famous for being hospitalized for COVID lol
I worked in Woodstock, NY in my youth, had many gay friends and well remember gay prejudism. We've come a long way in accepting homosexuality. Now we are swinging too far. Going to far is damaging women and children. Biological men performing in women's sports, using women's locker- and bathrooms, taking awards from women is a violation of women's rights. This is hurting gays and women.
how are we "swinging too far"? Gender is a spectrum because of multitude of effort put into researching. People nowadays are just denying the scientific and medical consenses on gender. Gender and sex arent the same thing. if you really want to learn i can link a google document of research!
Gehrig75 Please explain how a person can possibly be a homophobe AND “have many gay friends”? If a person is phobic about something why the fuck would they pursue any close relationship whatsoever??
@@skurinski do you have anything to prove this? here is sort of short google document with all the facts you need. docs.google.com/document/d/1vbxCBsFqX_J5xJTmoh-s_zrhGOYGdkIZH7UmNeUtv2k/edit?usp=drivesdk
Uptalking, valley girling, and fake vocal fry are anything but soothing. It's everything wrong with how people today talk, and it lessens her credibility. Her voice actually makes it difficult to get through this.
@@devina.j.2165 lol wtf are you talking about gender is not social maybe sexual preference is social but we have males and females in the human race in very rare cases we have anomalies like hermaphrodites
Just saying there's a lot of men that will completely fall in love with a girl who is like Tom boyish or feels that she's not a girly type girl... Just saying that there's someone who will love you just the way you are naturally
Yeah but not everyone cares about someone falling in love with them, I personally really don’t, it doesn’t make more or less to have someone who is in love with me
I'm one of them, I like tall and short-haired women that wear pants...Couldn't tell you why, I just do. The thing that turns me off, is any characteristic of a bully.
The Problem is that feeling upset has become taboo. It is no longer acceptable for people to feel sadness, disappointment, or get their feelings hurt and the solution to this is to force everyone else to agree with your bullshit opinions. As if the rest of us don't also have hard times.
I’m masculine too and people don’t see me that way. The trans thing bothers me because they are essentially telling tomboys that they’re not women because they don’t act a certain way.
Random Guy - Always been way too feminine; even thought myself better off being a girl when I was really young. Nowadays I’ve realized that it’s not femininity at all, but just, being patient and calm and introspective that I like, and that as much as I roll my eyes at chad behavior and aggression and dominance games, that other aspects of masculinity like being decisive and problem-solving and stoic are things I like very much. It mostly came down to my interests being kitsch and me being emotionally hypersensitive and in my head too much that made me feel insufficient as a male. My problem nowadays though is that everytime I hear of some celebrity that I actually find attractive for being no-bullshit and sporty and assertive, I find out she’s gay and it’s like I guess I’ll die alone.
Its actually quite bigoted. They believe men/women can only act or feel a certain amount of ways. Anything beyond that, then you must be something else. That puts you in a box. If you step out of that box, you are no longer a woman?... wtf?
Sooo...back in the day when bullies would call tomboys 'Dikes' and 'Lesbos'....they were right?! Amazing how the bigots go full circle...some just become SJWs it seems.
Children have wild imaginations. So....... so why is that in custody cases the child can't decide who to live with, or they can't vote, ect. but they can decide that they are trans? That should be decided only post puberty.
Medically speaking the only thing trans people under 18 can take are puberty blockers which have a pretty marginal effect on the body (men being shorter, slightly lower bone density) and the effects are largely reversable. Also, the trans recedivism rate is less that a percentage point and quite rare to within the trans community that they change their minds later in life. however, a vast majority of trans people do express positive attitudes toward puberty blockers that have taken them or claimed they would have (but didn't have access/knowledge/etc) liked to have them.
@@ericsalazar4027 are you kidding? A marginal effect on the body? Pretty much negating puberty on boy, and giving young girls facial hair will have a drastic impact on their psyche and how they'll view themselves as they grow into adults. Not to mention the neurological changes that aren't well known. Those are not marginal changes. You don't have as much control as you like to think you do.
I'm neither a girly girl nor a super masculine girl, but I am one. A woman, born female. I used to say I want to be a boy when I was little all the time. I used to play with all the so-called male toys, didn't like my dolls and protested any effort my mother made to get me to wear dresses. I wanted to be a boy. I wore boy's clothes. I remember stuffing toilet paper in my pants because I thought that I was just born wrong and would have been better if I had been born differently. It was an exciting thought - it would explain everything, if I was just the wrong kind of girl. All my interests (soccer, gaming, cars, trains) aligned and I think nowadays, you'd definitely call that trans. My parents didn't know anything about that, though, so they thought I was just trying to imitate my brother. They let me do my thing, let me wear my brother's old clothes, let me play with guys. Nowadays, I think that that was my saving grace. By the time I hit puberty, I was seriously despising my body, I rejected wearing bras until my breast growth was too hard to ignore. Even then, I hated them and wished them gone. I cried bitterly when I got my first period, and I tried to hide that from everyone for the first year. I did not want to accept the reality - that my female body was doing its thing. At school, there were no gay or trans people, so I never said anything. It was only when I started falling in love with other girls in my class that I began to realize in what way I was different from my peers. When I was younger I dreamed of myself as a guy so I could someday marry a woman. I hid it for a long time, but by the time I was 18, I finally admitted to myself that I am a homosexual female. I'm a lesbian. It took some more years until I got really comfortable with the idea of being attracted to women in this way, mind you. The more I accepted myself as a lesbian woman, the easier I found it to re-align my feelings with myself, so to speak. I do not feel "gender". I don't know what I am supposed to feel like as a woman! I like different things, but that doesn't make it a gender, in my eyes. I like soccer - but that's not a gender, it's a hobby. I was also diagnosed with autism, which is, I have read, remarkably common in the trans population. I am what you'd call a desister, I think. I grew into myself and am now a happy homosexual woman in my mid-twenties.
I can't fault you for being who you are. We both love women, so common ground. I'm hetero but often mistaken for being gay. I just have a certain swish about me, I guess. I don't try to compensate. I was born to have an air of effiminacy. Hell, I'm artistic. still consider myself a rugged mountain man.
I am transgender and I transitioned when I was thirty literally came out the day before Caitlin Jenner . Which was odd timing. I think trans people embarrass the ones like me who don’t whine and complain about people talking about gender at all. I knew when I was little so many signs added up once I figured it out. I just hate that those type of trans people that are so extreme and I have to be attached to them. Just know so many of us changed before this popularity came out Nd most of us don’t over react like them . I’m totally open and hav helped many people transition advice and just share kindness so thank you for doing the work you do !!!
Devan Ashton thank you!! Those activists shouldn’t represent you nor the LGBTQ group, so much respect for you must not have been so easy and people that would be considered “normal” don’t have the courage most of the time to be themselves just to be happy! Really stories like yours made me realize that some time ago and from there decided to live my life to the fullest just for me to be happy, not always easy it’s normal to feel the pressure to conform but have to stick by it and not be part of the sheep
*_Placing this here because YT won't let me top-post because I'm right too much of the time:_* Matter is energy, right? Energy is a spectrum right? Every 'thing' is .... a 'thing', right? Except computers. Those do 'binary'! But besides bits (which are only theoretical, and made possible by an extremely complex, brute-force abstraction layer) only 'male and female' is said to be an absolute binary construct. Could we be emotionally attached to gender identity... and therefore in complete denial of what we actually are? Nah!
Have you ever thought about committing suicide after transitioning or are you now healthier mentally than before? Would you have committed suicide if there wasn't the possibility to transition (parallel universe or we live 1958, etc.)
Did Dr. Soh cut shapiro off? I didnt see that but when you have conversations on topics that are controversial and then invite extremely reputable professionals on the podcast, things can get heated and people talk over people its just about being in the moment and listening with a rebuttal at the ready
@hasanl234 Exceedingly rarely are kids forced to transition. There's the Reimer case where a young boy had a botched circumcision and the parents raised him a girl with the supervision and encouragement of some deranged doctor who believed gender is 100% influenced by one's environment. Reimer, unsurprisingly, did not grow up to feel like a girl. He detransitioned back to male when he found out his parents had lied to him and fell into a deep depression, subsequently killing himself. Very tragic case, but to my knowledge the only case of its kind. The other guy who told you to "do your research" and, rather fittingly, linked you a Blaire White video, is a deranged conspiracy theorist. Luna (born James) Younger has NOT been forced to transition. Her father is a deeply conservative Christian and has touted that Luna's mother has allegedly "forced their son to be trans". Blaire White routinely ridicules and lies about other transgender people and is in no way a reliable source of information. Everything she says should be taken with a huge grain of salt.
@@dougdimmadome4841 Your "arguments" about Blair White and the father in the Younger case are classic ad hominem fallacy. Can't argue with the message, so attack the messenger. I'm an atheist, but I have no doubt that some conservative Christians are better parents than some atheists. In the cases where a parent, sometimes with the support of gender ideologues, manipulates a child into adopting opposite-sex social traits and the transitioning path, the line between manipulation and force is meaningless because of the psychological power of parents and the inability of a child to give meaningful consent on such a profound life decision. That inability to give meaningful consent is the reason why sex with children is a crime, even if the child "wants" it. Genuinely gender-dysphoric kids are in a horrendously difficult situation and parents who manipulate their normal kids into entering that situation are engaged in child abuse.
@@gcrav I fail to see where you even attempted to rebut anything I said. 1) Pointing out that the father is religiously motivated consistutes an adhom now? Yeah, okay. 2) Conservative Christians can definitely make better parents than some atheists. It's all a matter of whether they feel entitled to indoctrinate their young. 3) My contention is with the right's failure to provide evidence that the child in this situation has indeed fallen prey to manipulation. They are, of course, very eager to side with the man who touts explicitly anti-LGBT sentiment. Have you considered the possibility that the mother is not the one trying to enforce her personal biases? This is the issue I have: Whenever a young boy, trans or no, expresses desires that are stereotypically girly and the boy's parents are anything but staunchly opposed to the very notion of trying to accommodate him in some way, a certain side of the political aisle like to jump immediately to the most deranged of conclusions and claim that the boy in question is being tricked by gender ideologues. I truly do wonder whether you have even once considered the possibility that we are delving into the deluded, obtuse and conspiratorial by maintaining that gender ideologues grooming young boys is some kind of common practice. Why does the right believe a boy in a dress is inherently sexual? We don't seem to treat little girls the same way (at least not here in the EU, Americans are truly strange creatures). It's either a case of grown men fetishising little boys and projecting their revolting desires onto those of us who see nothing innately sexual in gender nonconformity; or it's a case of fetishising femininity, *or* it's a case of rampant homophobia or transphobia.
No you guys will not be able to talk about anything due to cowardliness! Wake up America, what da f is wrong with you. Turned from a country i dreamed to move to, to a country that only standup comedy makes me want to visit for a week tops. Hurts to watch. Honestly. No trolling. You let 5% of the population dictate the narrative. You literally forgot what democracy and freedom of speech is. The left turned me, a leftist all my life into almost a Republican/Centrist - which I call just a regular reasonable person.
@@hachelyd_i3232 That would be true if hormones were used on adolescents and children. But that's not the case. The usage of hormones or sex reassignment surgery is illegal for minors: www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jan/05/high-court-to-decide-if-children-can-consent-to-gender-reassignment What is legal are puberty blockers, that temporarily block hormones and have been proven to be both reversible and improve the mental health of those prescribed: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puberty_blocker Please don't talk about a subject you clearly know nothing about.
@@goduvideo7995 you're using wikepedia as a source, gtfo of my face. I was referring to parents that allow their kids to be pumped with hormones that don't even belong in their bodies. Kids shouldn't be taken seriously when it comes to transgenderism.
@@hachelyd_i3232 I brought two sources The Guardian and Wikipedia. The guardian states how it was legislated illegal for minors to undergo hormone therapy or gender reassignment surgery. And Wikipedia is simply the definition of hormone blockers, because I don't believe you know what they are. But at least I have sources, can't say the same for you. Anyway, because you didn't like those I bring you a Nature article, one of the most reliable research publications in the world: www.nature.com/news/largest-ever-study-of-transgender-teenagers-set-to-kick-off-1.19637 It states how hormone blockers have been proven to be reversible and helpfull on transgender individual's mental health. And your idea that hormones can be prescribed to children is not only false but illegal. I'll restate my source because I guess you don't want to read it: www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jan/05/high-court-to-decide-if-children-can-consent-to-gender-reassignment
@jackass dumb As the child of an alcoholic your kids will deep down "FEEL" that you're distant. My alcoholic parent didn't function well, but even if she had it wouldn't be a good solution. Find help. There are better ways to raise a family.
You can't avoid that. Human beings are fundamentally tribal in nature. To be part of a team, group or anything. Every species in the animal kingdom has its own pack, group or territory. Humans too are no different. We evolved by being part of a tribe or group. Group identity is something hardwired into our DNA as a species. Throughout our evolutionary past, many tribes fought and clashed against each other, some joined together. It was brutal yes, but its how we evolved.
@Hannibal The right divided the country? You just let any credibility. The left has been using our differences too divide the country into classes for years in order to secure voted and power. Gender and race....... They've made identify politics the core of their platform. But yeah, the right divides.....please.
@Hannibal Keep yapping troll. Your point is ludicrous and completely without merit. Typical lefty. Accuse the other side of the thing you're actually guilty of doing.
We are all just people, but we are not equal and never will be. The problem today with the whole "woke" movement is they are confusing the phrase "treat everyone equally", with trying to treat every single social instance with equal representation. Treat everyone equally means that we SHOULD treat everyone with equal RESPECT. I should respect your beliefs, I should respect your boundaries. You should have the same equal opportunities as everyone else. However, that does not mean that we ARE equal. Men and women are biologically not equal. Men are stronger, overall men are more aggressive, tend to engage in riskier behavior. People in general arent equal. Some men are taller, stronger, smarter than each other. Should they hire weaker men for more physical jobs, just to be more diverse? The problem is, you cant represent every single group in a work place. People will always have to be grouped. Should we force more women into STEM fields when they are naturally more drawn to social work? No. Because that would be changing their nature for some forced diversity. Trying to get rid of labels means making things harder to diagnose. It means holding each other back instead of moving forward with efficiency. Men and women are naturally better and more interested in different things, with no regard to social influence. If 80% of men naturally leans towards STEM fields should a workplace look to hire 50% of women in those fields so that the population is equally represented? Think about it.
I've been having this thought so often. People are SO divided and they cling to those labels and agressively fight others who dare use the word transexual instead of transgender for instance. - it's unhealthy. We're individuals.
The woke-ism is just being coopted to keep everyone in a frenzy about ever less important social justice issues, so we never have public discourse on economic justice. If you actually gave a shit about black or trans lives (or anyone's), focusing on things like fair wages and drug laws would do more for them than any amount of reduction in police violence could ever do.
Do you really need a political home though? I think the party system holds us back so much due to team loyalty. I just want a decent human with good intentioned ideas and a realistic way to implement them. I don't care what their political status is so long as they do a good job
Translation: since social Marxism invaded the Democratic Party, I’ve felt politically homeless. This is why conservatives are the cool kids. They actually have principals and can have a conversation where we don’t start by calling the opponent racist, xenophobic, sexist, and grandparent killers.
@@SNNY-SKTR It's not about the parties or the leaders. You misunderstood what I meant. I'm saying it's the people. That the Cultural Post Modern neo Marxism that has grown out of college campuses like Evergreen that has infected the masses like a plague in the name of the left is anti traditional left. The woke radical left isn't Liberal. Political correctness isn't Liberal. It's not about caring about racial or gender inequality, it's about the Marxist critical theory nonsense that has infected the BLM movement of Identify politics and neo feminism and all the stuff that Bret Weinstein and Jordan Peterson and Christina Hoff Sommers is referring to that they have personally dealt with, before it spread out into the real world. The left is no longer Liberal. The PEOPLE on the left are no longer Liberal. An entire generation of kids who were helicopter parented and told they were great without having achieved anything and placed on drugs to avoid having to feel bad feelings only to wake up as adults and realize that life and reality doesn't treat them that way. Huddled in their safe spaces with their trigger warnings and microaggressions. Fed the ideology that they are oppressed and that's the reason they aren't winners. Believing that every little social inequity and marginalization is to blame for their failure when really they are the weak. When really marginalization and identity is divided into Infinity, when really the only thing you should base things on is on the individual and not collectivist group identity. They're angry because they were told they were special. The one thing I'll agree with the radical progressives on is the blame on the DNC itself for trading Populism for being a plutocracy-kleptocracy ever since the Clinton's took power in the mid 90's. That's when the DNC stopped being the party of labor and stepped away from what the left party should be. But like I said, my point wasn't about parties, I'm talking about the people. Liberalism is dead. And radical woke progressivism killed it. And now that social marginalization has become social popularity currency, the front line victims are all the young girls who are transitioning only to later regret it. And it's the fault of the institutions and all the doctors who are allowing it. Whom are too afraid of the mob to take a stand. Mark the words of Abigail Shrier and Debra Soh and Jordan Peterson. There's gonna be an avalanche of lawsuits coming in the next few years by devastated people who were ruined by transitioning as kids and later wanting to detransition and having their lives ruined.
@@jalander8817 I agree that the right is more willing to have discussion then the drones on the progressive left. But don't make the mistake of believing that there isn't a danger of authoritarian nationalism bigotry coming from the plutocracy kleptocracy autocracy on the right as well. Trump's populism is a lie. But if you're referring to simply conservative people and not the leaders in power, I agree that the people on the right are more willing to engage in debate and discourse, because they aren't shackled by political correctness or infected by wokeness. But just in the way that progressivism has usurped liberalism, I'm afraid that the same polarization is taking place on the right and extreme authoritarian nationalism is also usurping moderate conservatism. Both left-of-center and right-of-center moderates are the victims of the extreme polarization taking place.
Meh. I'm guessing it was click bait to deal with a likely declining if not nosediving market share in the face of so many other resources for men's health.
Problem is when they start in theirs own bedroom and noone cares because they can do what they want with is ok but next they try to expand more and more, and before people find out what happend they already agree with stupid ideology. Just like Jordan Petrson say, we dont knew where is the point when the left cross normal and start bo behave worst than far right.
Joe , Dr.Debra , what an important subject you have brought to the world. A large percentage of Society needs to hear what both of you have to say . Thank you for such great journalism.
I am a transgender woman who thinks that the mainstream "gender ideology" is bullshit and that gender is innate and immutable. That's why I wasn't able to "cure" myself out of being transgender and suffered so much in my life from refraining from transition, until 4 years ago when I finally did. I think that the current ideology is actually pushed by a group of people with ulterior motives who hijacked the trans "movement" to gain virtue-signalling points in order to further their hidden agenda despite all the backlash they will create for us, because they do not care about us, we are just tools to them. What ironic is that their entire ideology is actually completely contradictory to what it means to be trans. If gender (or sex, or whatever you want to call it) were just a social construct, then why transition at all? Why not just "change your construct"? Believe me I tried, for 30 years, and here I am now, Chad turned into Stacy. The sad part is that I know from first-hand experience that trans youth are lost, feel isolated and need a sense of belonging and purpose, and the "trans groups" in universities and elsewhere give them an opportunity to feel they are surrounded and part of something bigger than themselves, and sadly their minds become infected with this very damaging ideology without them even realizing it, as they are not taught to think anymore, but rather to denounce and go on ideological witch hunts. Aaaanyhow. At 37:38, Dr. Soh sends an invite stating that she would like to speak with someone from the community. I'd be very interested to speak with you, Dr. Soh.
Thank you for sharing your experience! I hope you find more places to share your story, you seem to be a very articulate, thoughtful person, and your voice is very much needed right now.
someone once told me that most transsexual people are gender fluid. i didn't get it then and after months of thought i still don't get it. the best i can work it out is that these gender fluid transsexual people must have wrongly thought they were transsexual and transitioning didn't give them peace
Joe Rogan has been consistently uploading episodes with great guests. I love this podcast. As a painter I can put my headphones in while I work and just listen to the podcast. It’s great!
@@buzzlightyearandco Maybe don't listen to Bill Burr whilst you paint in that case; especially not his podcasts where he rags on painters (though they are funny). I will just leave this here ruclips.net/video/wW9Q717t8XI/видео.html
S L it actually helps me when I paint. Because if I become too focused on the painting I don't do well. Sometimes Joe Rogan will distract me and give me a breather and then I can come back to what I was doing and it works out great
I also dont get how they let transwomen play on girls and women's sports. That is just blatantly unfair. The victories (for TW) and losses (for TM) tell a very clear story. Many of those who transition from m to f have a tremendous advantage. They've swept titles and set new world records (also keeping the female athletes from their rightful wins) in a whole range of different sports, yet not a single transmale has done either in any sport! Ask yourself why that is. I dont see how there is anything meaningful anyone else could possibly say on the subject. The performances dont lie. It past time we right this wrong before we continue down this grossly unfair path. Athletes only get that one shot and they absolutely bust their ass to win. This amounts to the end of women's sports/ How long until someone fields an all transfemale team?
@Mookayla the pendulum shouldn't exit. The fact that woke SJW politics are shouting down science and common sense is frightening. What is it going to take to make your pendulum swing? Will a trans male have to beat a biologoical female to brain damage in MMA before common sense prevails? Our society should be beyond that
@@scottlindsey8313 Interesting. Trans people, and others, have been murdered and beaten and bullied for.... Well that is still going on today. So I do not like how you take small isolated incidents and pretend it is the norm. And please do tell what science you are referring to? What "woke sjw and more buzzwords" are you talking about? The MMA ppl are woke? Their the ones who let her fight.
Mookayla I was pretty against trans women in sport for a while but it was only a personal opinion until I saw Noel Plum actually look into the studies and data shown on Transwomen in sport and I think his stance is the most reasonable by far. Sports should regulated in accordance to fairness and it’s unfair to have a person who is naturally producing high levels of testosterone to compete against a group of people who naturally produce little to no testosterone, akin to doping. His studies are in reference to track but I think some obvious parallels can be drawn. For one thing, he says that a competitor should not be compared to others of the group but instead what the competitor would be like if they didn’t have the contentious condition in question. IE, in your example of Fallon Fox, we shouldn’t compare Fallons muscle mass and testosterone levels to her competition, but instead compare those things to what Fallon Fox would have been like had she been born a normal female. That I think really seals it as without a male puberty, Fallon would not have the levels of testosterone and muscle mass she has now. They would be significantly less if she was a female. Hence Fallon had an unfair advantage and should have been disqualified until she met the requirements to fight. That being a reduction in the relevant elements for the sport. But like Noel I think regulations like this can only stretch so far and it’s not the best solution we can come up with. I like his suggestion of having the female category being protected for biological females and an open category for all genders and sexual capacities, but I can also see where it might also not be the best solution, particularly for transmen or those with intersex conditions who would be put at a disadvantage going against biological males... But we live in a very imperfect world so a perfect solution that makes everyone satisfied is not likely to come. It’s just managing what we can at this point.
Basically, the reason it's considered a transphobic position is because saying that trans women shouldn't compete with cis women invalidates their position as a woman. But, the issue is, they're asking to be treated as cis women when they aren't cis. They are trans.
I think the “outrage” from trans activists is manufactured. They make people think everyone’s opinion on trans acceptance is settled, so if you don’t agree, they attack and make you the bigoted outlier, then you fall in line. Then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Not so much trans activists themselves but the neoliberal machine often copts these movements and distorts them. Poor trans activists (where the real struggle is) don’t even have the resources to get their message that far, thus neoliberals play their message to their own tune. It’s sick and I wish this didn’t happen so often.
Yeah but those trans activists attack even real trans who's opinion differ from them, take for example Blair White who is against trans kids and who said that Mai in trans community are against that.
It may be exaggerated. However ppl have lost their jobs or being banned from university or teaching not for discrimination but for not acknowledging the concept of several genders. Eg the femminist Germaine Greer lost her position at university because she said she didn't believe in other genders. I'm not one for 'isms' so I'm not femminist or even interested in her but that seems rather unfair. She said she would be happy to use the preferred pro nouns out of respect but couldn't acknowledge that gender reassignment actually changes your biological gender. Jordan Peterson got hell too. My politiu views don't align with his but that should not mean his job is threatened because he doesn't believe in changing language to cater to dysphoria.
@@Canyoutakemebackwhereicamefrom Yeah it's terrible that people get fired for those opinions. My point is that people get fired because of **perceived** mob outrage, which is manufactured on Twitter and other social media platforms, probably by a tiny number of people who want everyone to *think* that all people on their side. So then you have real people (like university staff, journalists, or scientists) that are scared into becoming or siding with the "mob."
@@happinessisafulltank yeah I would agree that the trans activists are a minority. But it is hard to know what is what. So much of our perceived reality is really just an illusion created by media, marketing, government and powerful corporations. It is important to always question the narrative and try to remain objective. Ppl should not be censored for asking questions. But there are also far more important issues to address in this world than gender identity. Climate change, distribution of wealth and power, poverty, war etc. Makes one wonder how we got our priorities so fucked up? Don't you think?
It’s terrifying to think that if I grew up 10 years later it would’ve been possible for my parents to put me through a sex change if I randomly said “I’m a girl”... dude I don’t even stand by the shit that I said 2 years ago.
Exactly , I'm not personally affected by the issue on the show, but I do know (from a lot of lost years miss spent as 20 and 30 something year old) that whenever or if you feck around with chemicals and brain chemistry the is always a big price , without mentioning surgery... No hate just love , think carefully people .
I agree wholeheartedly that the far left ideology is forced throughout media, and our school systems now. My cousin is a conservative 10th grader who gets threatened for even mentioning his beliefs in public school (Los Angeles), when left kids are shouting out ideas like white shame and teachers openly support & promote those radical left ideas. Children shouldn't be political or ashamed of themselves for personal beliefs...they should be kids. Educators shouldn't facilitate political aggression/oppression in our youth.
The mass media is completely corporate controlled and now exists to protect the status quo. They don't allow any aternative to consumerism capitalism. The media completely crushed Bernie Sanders because he represented change and threatened the billionaires that OWN the mass media. Joe Rogan is the only liberal media left in the world because he actually allows people with different views on the air. The people on Joes show would never ever be allowed on the mass media. No fresh ideas are allowed on the corporate controlled mass media. Whats even worse is they have tricked a lot of people into thinking the opposite.
I think a lot of people who claim to be persecuted for being right wing, really just tend to have said something nasty about gay people, minorities or transgenders. Sometimes those very people would be in the class, or they have friends or family that are from those groups, in an entire classroom its good odds somebody has a connection. Guess what, you say nasty things about somebodies friends or family then they won't like you. A lot of people don't realise you can be right wing and still respect those people.... Many people, especially children, don't know how to discuss these topics respectfully, it can be hard even for adults sometimes.
I consider myself fundamentally liberal. I was recently injured and decided to finish high school in my down time after 20 years out of school. It is terrifying what they are teaching kids. Facts mean nothing if they conflict with the woke propaganda machine that the school system has turned into.
I don’t think we should have kids oppress their political curiosity. We should just focus on teaching them to respect people with different opinions and how they should interact with such people. Stifling political curiosity and activism in teens is what leads to political apathy later in their adult life which has ALREADY led to a lot of problems. Ironically, one of those problems is political extremism taking over national politics.
Either or, Joseph, either or. Either it has made the interviews extinct - or they still exist. They clearly still exist, or under which interview do you think you've commented?!
Social Media has a HUGE hand in making circumstances what they are today. Giving stupid people voices and those people are leading other stupid people. Blind leading the Blind basically.
@@josephwiacek8123 Hehe. I got what you MEAN to say from the original statement. It's not complicated in any way. By trying to simplify it, however, you didn't get rid of the original mistake. You're still claiming they've gone - and that they're still there at the same time. This is not Schrødinger's cat. Quite obviously, they still exist, they just moved.
Thank you for this important program. My best friend has a daughter who came home from school one day saying she wanted to transition to be a boy. She is from broken family and is 11 years old. My advice to my friend was to tell her daughter that she did not need to make this decision NOW. That she could wait until she was older and that it was no problem. Her daughter had NEVER BEEN TOLD that she did not need to make this huge decision in her life now. I am happy to say that the daughter was relieved and much more relaxed now that this pressure has been taken away from her.
I'm glad she's ok. Tbh MOST girls would be a boy if given the option. Can we blame them for not wanting to be "the weaker sex," get periods & give birth? But after puberty, most of us (>96% historically) lead heteronormative lives. What we're seeing now, at least in NY where I work, is 25% of girls self-identifying as LGBTQIA+. Whether that's bc "diversity is celebrated" in modern culture or there's another reason, idk
This is not odd, I am very feminine (according to people around me) but most of my interests align with typical male interests, there are lots of women out there like that.
Yeah, I’m not sure I agree with her on binary gender. Gender is a word that literally came about to describe stereotypical sex roles. Binary sex, yes. Sex differences, yes. But binary gender? Mmm no.
@@Endbringer42 I had a conversation with a progressive about wearing rainbow colours. It came down to people who say that rainbow colours push politics and they said all white men and I said really only ass holes say that. They couldn't comprehend a small minority of jerks make a lot of regular people look bad. So I brought up TERFs and misandry in the feminists community. I said are they jerks or are they representive of all feminists just like how ass holes are representative of all men. They just said it's derailment and problematic. The point is they are capable of believing contradictory statements like double think in George Orwell a 1984. To see it first hand was incredible. They are incapable of seeing individuals because it is problematic, challenges their religion of Marxism, and forces them to confront the fear that they aren't the good guys.
One month later.... "California requires correctional facilities to house transgender inmates based on gender identity". lol. Newsom is freaking crazy.
When I was in high school, in the mid 2000s, my friend group went from one lesbian to only lesbians. Over a decade later ALL those girls (other than the one girl who was homosexual all along) are married to men and have children. An anecdote maybe, but it's important to realize how trendy it was for these girls to fit in.
My cousin who was basically me and my brothers sister was a girl and moved to a new school and her first friend was a lesbian who was an actual lesbian and still is but the rest of there friend group 3 more girls and a guy said they were gay including the guy they all have boyfriends and the guy has a girlfriend today besides the original girl who said she was gay to just thought I’d chime in seeing our story’s are so similar
In my area around that same time it was being vegan. Was always hilarious finding those same people out having a burger on the weekend. At least that trend didn't have life long impacts like the subject being discussed today.
@NoPain NoGain in a place with no laws, a deserted island, age doesn't have any relative influence on rights or what's allowed. Relevance, none. Australia is a separate sovereign country but that doesn't mean this issue doesn't exist.
Hmm, arbitrary numbers chosen for political reason based upon emotional propaganda creating a popular opinion. Why would you suggest adding a bright line to an individual choice issue that will never have a realistic answer? You just want to create new laws to control people based upon some arbitrary set of conditions created by other individuals? The reason people start early is because it is much easier to get far better results, especially prepubescent. Think of it as creating a law to prevent sexual intercourse until a person reaches an age where sex drive has declined. People would make much better choices given their maturity and experience and absent the desire to feed their sexual drive. The end results might be better for your intentions but does that warrant the delay, the infringements, the control given to others? On the other hand, we do require parents to assume legal responsibility and liability for children until age 18. So saying making tobacco less available to children under 18 is a parents duty or choice. Clearly the majority of parents agree that a law preventing the sales of tobacco to children is what they want. I'm not in agreement with the idea of dictating to a shop owner what they can or can't do in order to achieve what parents fail to do is an unjust law. You are suggesting replacing parenting with government regulation. Limiting individual choice not to prevent harm to others but based upon ????? Some conclusion or result that you haven't stated or reasons not given. One of my best friends was totally screwed up by his parents, does that mean his parents broke some law or some combination of laws would have protected him from harm? The law that might help far more people... Keep your opinions to yourself, live your life and accept that others have the same right to make their own choices good or bad. If people want to transgender then let it become normal until it's a it is a decision like what music you listen to. It is an unfortunate reality that time passes and once a decision is made you can't change that point in time. You can't undo in your 40s what you did in your teens. Laws should be very specific and proven to be greatly necessary before we even consider going that route.
Children do not know who they are! You can support them all you like but to change their sex on a medical level is child endangerment. A child dose not truley know and UNDERSTAND the consequences to their choices, on how life altering it truly is. If children cannot be held responsible for their choses why would you give them the biggest choice of their life? And if so then on a case to case basis to protect the child he or she should be given all the facts and then have a specialist board determine if its in the best interest for that child. If there is a court to rule if adults are competent why not one for something that decides the childs whole life. I just know when I was that age I still didnt have a clue.
You obviously missed all of the parts where she's dancing around reality. She is only prepared to go so far. Brave to a point. (And Bravo is for addressing men. Perhaps that was a nod to her male ID). Brava, lady.
For someone that talks more than most people. its ok if he repeats stuff in my eyes (we even know its coming)...try talking to one person for 3 hours without repeating nevermind 1500 odd........we all love too listen afterall.
And as a man that's taken gear (testosterone), I know that even when Health & Normal growth are concerned: ·· 18-is Def still TOO YOUNG; Any Legit person with Fitness knowledge should agree I waited until almost 23 to start & was always safe about it & researched everything prior...
omnivore gains ~ VERY TRUE.. - Unfortunately, most don't even realize it! ·· it begins as young as High School & the kids don't know what they're causing long-term... ·· It took EVERYTHING I had to wait until I was 23, but I 'became a man' much younger than all my friends; But yes I agree, most should wait until 25+ of they're thinking about it.. ·· And DO THE RESEARCH! PCT after every cycle! I could go on but they never like to be lectured!! LoL. Be smart & safe if you choose to do it! For anyone debating.... Take care..!! 👍💪💪👊🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪🙃💪🙃
@omnivore gains I agree, but we let 18 year olds make all sorts of other life altering decisions, I see no reason to hold another back. Im not for transitioning children, but late teens is something different. Especially, if you know your kid. My son is the most self aware teenager I've ever met, if he told me he wanted to transition and he held on to that for a few years I would allow him to transition at 16 or 17 (not that I get much choice). My daughter however, who is a wonderful child and probably the sweetest individual in my life, pretty much changes with the wind and doesn't do much self exploration. If it were her wanting to transition, it would be a different conversation. Either can dress and act how they'd like and use whatever pronoun but actual changing hormones needs to be on a case by case basis.
People Assigned Male at Birth that are actually women will have a very hard time if they don't use puberty blockers before the age of 11. Assigned female at Birth men are less impacted by taking testosterone later in life.
I highly disagree with how she is saying porn isn’t an addiction. Each thing that she described of what she saw from people, are exactly the DSM criteria for most substance use disorders. We used to say there were not food addictions because of the same lack of “withdrawal” qualifier and now we have binge eating disorder in the DSM. As a therapist, I’ve seen many people with a porn addiction that is the same as alcohol. What she is saying about the coping skills and assertiveness training...literally that’s the foundation of any good addictions treatment.
It sounded like she even admitted she was defending it out of fear that people will call porn bad. Which is not a good reason to say it can’t be addictive.
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How scary would it be to have a young daughter claiming to be trans, when you know it's actually 99% likely she isn't, but every institution is applauding her decision and encouraging her along.
I guess they're taught to push it as a positive in the work place
They'd be swept up in the stunning and brave rhetoric
Lol we're in a pandemic and in the apocalypse... nobody is getting a sex change
@Scott Purcell Literally this. Talking to my son and his friends, and remembering from my youth, you spend all your time trying to fit in - with ANY group that will make you feel welcome and special. Then you make life-changing decisions and get locked in.
With gender and sex it's even harder to change your mind later for fear of judgment from peers "Oh, they can't make their mind up". So you end up stressed and angry and trapped. Trying harder and harder to convince yourself and others around you.
Having said all this, most people definitely know what they want gender/sex wise, and it's only a good thing that society is growing more excepting each day.
It’s scary. Clinic wanted to prescribe hormones after 20 minute consultation and I have been bullied ever since. Entire community celebrating.
Joe Rogan 2013 -2019: Have you tried DMT
Joe Rogan 2020: Have you tried Vitamin D
I lol'ed
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Great comment 👍
You do you 😂😂😂
maybe not everybody’s, but this is my favorite comment
The child trans surgery is interesting to me. A 10 year old child wouldn’t be charged as a adult for murder because they don’t understand the finality of death. That same 10 year old understands the finality of gender surgery but not death? 🤔
BINGO!!!
There are no children getting SRS surgery, and there hasn't been for decades
Guess who created "hate speech" term, ADL: open.lbry.com/@ERTV:1/e-r-traductions-e-michael-jones:d
yeah I'm pretty sure 10 year old knows more than anyone else on the planet how they feel about themselves, and furthermore hormone therapy or hormone blockers can be undergone without permanent effect, and btw killing someone else is a horrible crime and stupid straw man argument against letting individuals live how they choose
Or they're not allowed to:
Get married
Vote
Drink
Serve in the military
Work
Smoke
Drive
Open a bank account
Enter a porn site
Watch specific movie ratings without adult supervision
Ok ok y'all ll get my point
Speaking from experience. I grew up as a Tom Boy. I wore boys pants because they were comfortable and easy for me to run around and be the wild child that I was. (Also, to those who watched WWF back in the day, always like the Hardy Boyz pants, thought they were cool at the time.) I prefer to get down and dirty and do a hard days worth of work. There were even days I would dress like a tom boy with heels just because I wanted to. Yet today I consider myself a Girly Girl who is not afraid to do a man's work. Personally I do not believe my behavior had anything to do with my gender identity. More had to do with "This is what I like at the time"
Me too. I’m such a hetro woman and yet I grew up loving soccer and preferring male company as it was simpler (not because I was trying to date) funnily enough emotional strength seems to be a common factor in all my female friends. They don’t sweat the small stuff , hate gossip all are however very female! 🤷🏻♀️ and who cares 🤣🤣
So you were like Lita then?
Me too Amber, although I'd describe myself as very feminine now. Had a short period at about age 11 when I wished very hard that I were a boy...reflecting now, how with overzealous adult influence that could have led to a transition were I currently 11. That thought also brings up an enormous disparity between the rigidity and traditional nature of my parents, who almost pathologically resisted change. This new generation of parents is apparently, quite pathologically, pro-change. Let them become adults first.
Guinevere Pendragon yep and I think I said when I was around 4 “when I grow up to be a boy like Phillip”. Phillip was my older brother who I idolised and was this little person who was cool. His gender was irrelevant , I just wanted to be him. Heaven forbid if I had “progressive” parents. 🙄
Amber, from my experience, the best Women I've known are ALL "Tomboys," especially ones that Love the idea of being with real men, admire and respect good men - NONE are Feminists!
Its been 19 seconds, where is the time stamp guy???
yeah I can't wait this long, unacceptable
Two posts above you
Dude wo subhe tak AJyega time stamps sooja abh
1 minute ahead of you.
yeah I can't wait to see that endorsement of his shit music again
Wait, his friend Michael Yo got sick? I've never heard Joe mention that
Then watch the show more lmfao
I wonder if his lung capacity is low.
Joe:Have you heard about Saunas?
(Virus expert says saunas don't make a difference)
Joe:Yes but heat shock proteins.
Bro did you hear about Michael Yo?
He was on the show a month ago Yo.
Joe is killing it these days with the guests he's having on. Abigail Shrier and Debra Soh, two women who are standing up for the human rights of teens and children despite the incredible cost. THANK YOU for having the courage to support these women.
It gives me hope, it seems more people are fighting back against this. I’m glad he used his platform to spread both of their ideas
Puberty is a very difficult time for all people. I think I wanted to be a boy when I was 12 too. Please let children go through puberty and at least graduate high school before they make these kinds of decisions.
Bring on Matt Stone and Trey Parker
C'mon on down to South Park and have yourself a really good time
Yes! I've been wanting this for YEARS!! yes!!!!
YEARS
I dont know, they say you shouldnt meet your heros
As much as I would love that, I hightly doubt that will ever happen.
Im a 28 y/o trans woman from Ireland. Yet again, thank you Joe and huge shout out to Dr Soh for this conversation and book. I will be buying it! You cannot put a price on good conversation. Its crazy that the only place I feel I can voice an actual opinion is on the comments section of one of Joes videos. I think this is why Joe appeals to me so much, its written all over his face how he genuinely wants everyone to be happy. If he disagrees with anything you believe, it will almost certainly come from a place of caring and I appreciate this type of media sooooo much. Thanks again x
You're a 28 year old man who's convinced themselves they're a woman. Biology is biology sorry!
@@TheMeaster85 she deserves to have inclusion and voice and is being respectful so you do the same
@@TheMeaster85 I am a transgender woman which does make me biologically male and I am not debating that. Thanks for the input though. you so smart xx
@@weyldproductions7969 Thank you :)
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Joe: Im up to 9 friends who got COVID
Me: I'm up to 3 friends, 3 total friends.
👏👏👏😂
3 more than me champ.
Jake M right there with ya buddy.
Me: What are friends?
It’s a start
...not to be prudish...but the over sexualization of society is leading people to ask kids to decide their “sex” before their primary sex hormones have even really kicked in.
Jessica well, maybe there’s some confusion because in english, it’s called sex, but whether you feel like a boy or feel like a girl is a different question than whether you want to have sex with men, women, or both. Sexual feelings typically don’t start until puberty. You’re right that it’s too early to ask kids about that. But sexual identity is something else. “Feeling like a boy” or “feeling like a girl” are questions you can ask children and it has nothing to do with where they want to stick their pp and vajayjay. That being said, if a doctor diagnoses gender dysphoria, It might be a good idea to wait with serious transition until they’re adults.
It's about removing the category of child to begin with so that pedophilia can be normalized. I give it 5 years from now
@@jeremythompson5151 Again, you too are confusing Sexual identity with Sexual preference. There's nothing sexual about feeling like a boy or a girl. I have never seen anyone advocating for the removal of the "child" label. I think it's just in your head, dude.
@@BartvG88 Its not an open advocating for the removal of the child category. Its the idea that kids can choose to take hormones before 18. The implication is that if you can choose your sexual identity at 4, what other things can you now consent to and choose?
@@jeremythompson5151 And what if you let the gays get married? Next thing you know you can marry your horse!
My sister recently asked my nephew if he was a boy or a girl...
His response: "I'm Thomas the Train"
careful with that! if the wrong people hear him, they would do all is in their power to help him transition to an actual train!
I also identify as a train but don't think kids should commit to steam engine conversion until they are adults
@Joanne James Look at their TikTok or Snapchat and you find them as puppies again.
IM A DEER. NO! A Female DeeR.
I identify as an attack helicopter!
The woke cult is creating more sexists and racists than they are eliminating.
So true. How do they not realize this?
Of course it is, and it's by design, imo. How else can the "struggle industry" (which sadly is a thing) be guarenteed continued existence? The activists are the most easily manipulated into anger and are the tools of the struggle grifters at the top.
yup took me about 5 years of reactions to the left to go from progressive, to libertarian, to basically nazi. The right wing didn't push me there, the left did.
Because they are sexist & racist themselves.
Just look at that Robyn Di Angelo book.
She is racist to the very core.
all of it is man made now
"I'm not a bigot, but i am confused" ....we all are Joe, we all are...
It's okay to be confused, just so long as it doesn't lead to *questioning,* which is clearly a bigoted practice invented by the white man to keep the (insert minority of the day depending on political polls) down.
@@Vic2point0 LMAO...."questioning" is a "bigoted practice invented by the white man"....That will more than likely make the list of top 5 dumbest shit posted on the internet today.
yeah this is a load of crap. good for her she wrote a book. the book is a huge overthink about invented struggles. man needs things to worry about and people are way too comfortable now.
@@darbycrashed4256 dont you think he was kidding? Jesus I hope he was kidding (I'm assuming Vic is a he), the end part, "insert blah blah blah" definitely sounded sarcastic 🤷♂️
Hank Hill
Well... the ‘woke’ crowd IS LITERALLY saying that schedules are “the white mans invention”, & “mathematics is the white mans invention to keep minorities down.”
I’m not even fucking kidding.. a chart of all of this crazy shit was literally on the BLM WEBSITE (along with a ton of other absurdly insane claims), until they took it down - probably because they saw that the majority of people saw that to be absolutely absurd, & rightly so.
I was a total tomboy. Still kind of boyish. Married with 7 kids. Stay at home mom for 17 years. So happy my parents just let me be myself.
Anyone else want Dr Soh to start a podcast called "Soh What?"
soh buttons!
Soh O
Yes
I want her to start one called "Me Soh horny"
@@mikemichaels4500 and you'd be the guest every episode, right? :)
Imagine getting backlash for saying we shouldn’t pump our children with hormone suppressants/opposite sex hormones and that we should stop medical sex procedures for children.
Good luck world
Along with banning Medical sex procedures for children, Circumcision should be banned its crude and an out dated procedure. Cutting boys who have no choice n the matter
My favorite Joe Rogan clip ever!!ruclips.net/video/yVcd6YbSgBA/видео.html
Joe should run for president with debra the VP
@@sunnywaffles There are still major medical benefits to that (don't argue this point it's just cleaner) plus massive religious implications. You essentially be denying Jewish men their right to be Jewish, not an overstatement.
Imagine getting backlash for being in complete opposition with all of the studies on the subject while simultaneously masquerading as "the one who believes in science"? For example de Vries, McGuire, et al, 2014 found among other things that after undergoing the transition path of puberty blockers in adolescence -> HRT -> SRS (SRS is only ever performed in adulthood btw) the patients well-being was "similar to or better than same-age young adults from the general population" and none of the patients ever reported any regret. It is Debra who is the anti-science one when it comes to this debate.
Soh: "... alienating them from these issues..."
Joe: *she said alien.. focus Joe focus*
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Pro comment!
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Time stamp?
I think people conflate the idea of a gender spectrum with simply just being an individual.
totally agree and whats most annoying is when politically motivated tactics (left right alt etc.) are being supported by quasi scientific reseach. just looking at everyone as unique would help but good luck with waiting for that.after 2k years of catholic ideology that will never happen.
Early transition is child abuse. Let them be who they are and once they’re adults they can make the changes.
DS P 100%
That's what usually happens when a kid wants to change their name and that has no real consequences
We don't let children drink beer even if they want to because they see mommy and daddy do it. Why would we let a child make such an adult decision as transitioning?
I think it state sanctioned child abuse, and doctors, academia, the press, and government should be ashamed of themselves for letting it happen. Its a political hot potato.
If you can't even legally HAVE sex, how can you be allowed to surgically change you sex?
It won't just be a wave of lawsuits. It will be a wave of suicides. This issue is heartbreaking.
Plus it's not in a generation that's actually needed. We don't have a surplus of young people in the West, quite the opposite.
That is SO sad but it is SO true.
Then there's the psychological effects on the parents who have to live with the guilt of making a decision with the best of intentions but having the worst of consequences. Plus there will be siblings, grandparents, friends who will also be affected.
@@Zdeno33 Self-rightousness won't seem so woke then will it. It's incredible it has support in any way, shape or form.
😂
This simple guy with an MMA background is impacting social issues more than any stupid pundit on any platform. God Bless the Rogans of the world!
who would have thought it would be the Fear Factor guy.
Y59 xxv
ruclips.net/video/K3-A-qeExXo/видео.html This is amazing
Joe rogan is far from simple lol
Although he called himself a meathead a couple of times in other episodes, Rogan clearly has a brain that takes info like a sponge and an openness to ideas that should make a lot of intellectuals blush. Pretty sure that guy must be on the gifted end of the iq spectrum. He no simpleton.
Remember a decade or two ago, there was the term "Tom boy" and that's as far as we went as a society. Now it's "she picked up a baseball bat so she must be a man! Change her sex while she's 6 years old"
Tomboy erasure is real.
@Sienna Waters
He didn't mean your take, the OP.
Amirite?
In the 2nd wave, we talked about the problem of pathologizing little boys who gravitated to "girl stuff" like dresses and dolls, sending them to psychiatrists or abusing them in an attempt to "fix" them. Everything old is new again.
I just canceled my subscription to men’s health magazine.
I can’t condone ignorance on that scale.
#boycott men’s health magazine!
what's a magazine?
That a boy! Good on you. I stopped by P&G products after the revolting Gillette ad. Let's choke out the demand for post modern B.S.
No you didn't. Picts or it didn't happen
This is the funniest Joe Rogan video clip 😂 ruclips.net/video/yVcd6YbSgBA/видео.html
Gender Neutral Health is a way better magazine anyway.
Dr. Soh is bang on. In Calgary, Canada there is a group of upper middle class school teachers and administrators who actively encourage teen girls to transition. Parents are the last to know, and are publicly labeled as bigots by the zealots and their children. It almost feels like grooming.
What's a bang on
@@destytayzo77 another way to say absolutely correct.
Yup Canadian institutions are messed up coast to coast
Almost?
This is the case here too in Colorado. Your kid can go around as the opposite sexl, using a name they prefer and the teachers go along with it and you won't even get a heads up from the school. Its kind of shady. Because what business is it of yours? Talk about the underworld. And if you bring it up to the teachers they are the first to tell you oh no this is real and how dare you question what your 8th grader is doing. Riiiiight.
Joe Rogan: Have you taken Vitamin D(MT)?
Haha :)
D(ick)
Lol I’m done
@@roldiny fucking hilarious
LOL!! I am seriously gonna miss these comments sections fam 😞
I had to wait until I was 35 to have my tubes tied but children can have a sex change? This seems a little unbalanced to me. I'm pretty far left and I strongly believe adults can do whatever they want with their bodies but children shouldn't be making life altering decisions.
@Sienna Waters I'm so sorry to hear that. Keep fighting to be pain free!
Agree, they are still growing and developing. Especially the mind.
@Sienna Waters
What's the issue?
They make pedophilia illegal (and very rightly so) but allow kids to decide what their sex should be. Nice.
@Sienna Waters I was severely ill for 6 months and had multiple potentially life threatening surgeries a few years ago because 5 different doctors all told me that my pain was due to a minor UTI and/or psychological. Meanwhile, I had two softball sized cysts wrapped around each ovary and my colon was wrapped around one of them.
You deserve to live a life that is free of pain. Don't be afraid to tell multiple doctors where to shove it until you find a doctor who actually listens and treats you with respect. Also, you don't need to be cured of questioning any aspect of yourself... it's okay to be who you really are regardless of whether that person fits into other people's black and white categories. Best of luck to you.
What Debra describes is what we used to call tomboy.
I thought his reaction was odd, I know a lot of tomboy's in research STEM fields who very similar to Dr Soh. They tend to concentrate in academia, many have PhD's, smart, focused, result driven, and some of most productive people their departments. Most I know are completely hetero even if they can a bit low on empathy department but I think that's just par for the course.
Very interesting topic. My wife’s best friend is a girly girl, but she drives a big suv, loves football, and can drink people under the table with some Busch lights. It doesn’t need a damn label, she just has tomboy tendencies. Fuckin dumb that the world is trying to diagnose these things
@Doomer K Kid try it out on campus, it's definitely changed in the last 5 years. Some girls are deeply offended while back in the day the same girls thought it's cute. It's actually mind-boggling.
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@M Z "I can’t imagine prehistoric women being kind and nurturing." That says more about you than it says about prehistoric women though. What, you think all prehistoric children grew up as sociopaths, devoid of motherly love? What makes you think the next generation of girls would not immediately have decided to do better by their own kids?
Frankly, if I could change gender when I was 12, I would have done it. I was genuinely uncomfortable with my gender when I was young. I started getting weird looks from men and boys. Thank goodness I grew up before "transitioning" was a thing. I survived by wearing shapeless clothes, boyish hair and being awkward and miserable for years. It was not until I was 21, when I started to get comfortable with my gender and could handle sexual attention. It was a gradual process . If I look at pictures from the last 8 years, I can see that I dress more and more feminine. I see that I have more and more female friends. This would be unthinkable for my 15 year old self.
Today I'm glad I'm a woman and would not exchange the experience I had when I was pregnant for anything. It's scary to think that teenagers today, who share my past discomfort, have the opportunity to change gender. Is just robbing them from growing up.
Yeap and that story is not unique, if anything that is the way of it. I mean myself and all my guy friends were literally afraid to talk to girls, I was even on the wrestling team and during season we got to go in front of the whole school during preps rallies and there were cheerleaders just for wrestlers called Wrestlerettes, plenty of reason for confidence is the moral of the story but still when you have it on a pedestal you are going to be nervous, was a weird time. Even though I never had any transitional thoughts or preference switch ideas, having an option available to potentially fit in easily would likely have been alluring for the wrong reasons and damage could have been done just to make a rough time in my life easier in the short term. Honestly that not feeling comfortable in your own skin that is all to common around the high school years is an opportunity for growth and that is what you described.
Puberty is uncomfortable for pretty much everyone. I'm so grateful I'm not a teen in 2020.
Thank you Layla for sharing your perspective. I was similar to you, spent my teens feeling boyish and out of place with my female peers. I shopped in the male section of clothes, and dreamed of attending an all boys school. My high school was an all-girls Catholic school with an emphasis on social communication and conformity. Complicating the situation was bullying I received, and all the conflict I got stuck in. Also a trouble-maker.
In my twenties, I was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome. Although not everyone in my shoes has it, there is an interesting correlation between autism and 'transitioning.' But what if, when I was younger, people assumed that I was secretly trans? What if, in a foolish idea to gain my peers acceptance, then I'll pretend that I'm trans? Another problematic issue is that teenage girls go through puberty, and may struggle to handle it. You experience new sensations, hormones, emotions, and attractions. The 'trans' concept may offer comfort to teenagers who hate puberty.
My understanding of gender and sexuality was shallow as a teenager. Now as an adult, I love being female. I want kids someday, and I'm comfortable with my gender. I can't imagine having a different body, if anything, I'm really protective over what I do with it.
Thank you for sharing, I never had a feeling or thought about being in the "wrong" sex when I was a teenager, but I was a bit more feminine than and there were teased about it and who knows if the options were available to transition what I would have done. From being a hyper kid that had a lot of friends when I became a teenager I became depressed and turned inwards a lot and just stayed away from social situations, I still had great friends from my childhood however, then all of a sudden I went the opposite way around 16 and started partying drinking and going crazy, lost my feminine side of me. Turned out I got diagnosed Bipolar at the age of 30 :) who the hell knows what the underlying issues is, especially when you are kid or a teenager. I did not figure it out until I was 30!
I live in Sweden just for context.
This is such an important message. Many, many people will be very uncomfortable and awkward throughout their adolescense, but for the vast majority it will eventually get better.
I worry that some activists are pathologising normal, albeit negative and difficult, experiences for political ends despite the lifeling consequences misguided youths may have to suffer.
we've literally gotten to the point of "best friend" bad parenting that parents are letting their kids change genders without questioning it at all... all of our problems right now stem from bad parenting
That was due to States deciding that parenting was too complicated for us plebs and installing significant hurdles and threats of losing our kids for the dumbest shit.
Imagine being told that you are a neglectful parent because you allowed your child to hurt themselves.
The exact situation was a three-year-old headbutting her dad and getting a temporary red mark, no bruise, not a bump, just a red dot that lasted for 30 minutes.
Combine that with the 3rd wave feminists attacking anything male and the deflecting of responsibility by our Bureaucrats and politicians, and we have the cluster fuck we have now.
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Indeed
Can’t forget in the UK and Canada if you tell your child they aren’t trans they get taken from you, and the parent gets arrested for assault.
Tagerrun ! Source?
I’ve always found it interesting that if a boy wears pink and likes dresses, he has to be ‘girly’, gay or trans... I feel that being actually ‘woke’ could mean that instead of saying he might be trans, they could say he is just a boy that likes pink and dresses, and no other label has to be put on him... I’ve never understood why people jump to thing instead of just accepting that that’s just what the child might like.
I remember saying something similar like 3 or 4 years ago in college and just getting blank stares
That’s gay asf if a boy wears pink and a dress what do u expect
yes! you can be a feminine man and a masculine woman, and still be a man, and still be a woman. The shame is that society still punishes men who are feminine and woman who are masculine. We all have testosterone and estrogen in differing amounts. One shouldn't have to hide in the shape of the opposite sex to be accepted. That's the crime
hello MD no u cannot that’s against nature
@@mohammednabil5254 that's your opinion. That doesn't mean that person is actually homosexual. He might be gay or maybe he just likes to have a dress on or wear pink. What he does to his body doesn't affect you. Maybe because you don't understand? And that's why you say it's "gay asf"?
It just seems like people confuse gender with having different personalities. How did we get here?
IonaJonas well there are a crazy amount of personality disorders that lead to gender dysphoria
the State is disgenic.
yup. We don't need to redefine major words in our language. We have words like personality.
@chan farthing what is toxic masculinity?
pc culture
Joe’s attitude towards the backlash is exactly what makes his podcast so popular. He’s a secure man who knows who he is and isn’t afraid to stand up for that.
Well said, It seems to be getting rarer these days.
Exactly! I've got a friend who just a couple years ago was a bigger fan of and generally a supporter of JRE, for the most part we agree on the same values and hold similar interests, share a darker & twisted sense of humor than most . . . but for some fucking incoherent and indefinable reason he's now super skeptical and adversarial against Joe & much of his guests. He's not actually a woke SJW but can't help but abstractly take that side and when I try to get a real concrete reason why I get an obnoxious history lesson going back hundreds of years and even into this pretentious academic semantics that are suppose to show me how everything "anti-woke" personalities say are actually negatively affecting real genuine social change, like because we point out the lunacy in what's called the far far Left we are really hurting and misrepresenting these people and issues. Like WTF! NO! That's exactly what the nonsense lunatics are creating, that is why they're counterproductive and the transparent virtue signals are making these issues into a mockery especially for those uninterested in looking at the full context or bigger picture! Idk how it could be any more clear. The individuals who can admit "I Don't Know" & show honest humility, "Idk but I'm looking at it genuinely and authentically," and have not lost their sense of humor and aren't blindly loyal towards rhetoric and agenda are most likely on the correct side and hold sanity, because myself at least, despise even having to pick any side or use vague and tainted labels like right or left or red or blue, etc. If anything I'd say Honest as possible & Authentic towards my point of view -against- The Disingenuous & Despicable!!!
I almost think this friend of mine is playing a long con on me just to drive me insane!
Very sorry but I just had to get that out! Hope all is well with yourself and your world and thankyou for any possible patience & common ground that may be shared here.
You just described a woke SJW.
Plus he doesn’t have to worry about Hollywood and msm to pay him. We are curious about this and he is asking about what us regular people want to know about in most of his podcasts these days.
Lmao you are delusional
I can’t wait for another super cut of Joe Rogan falling in love
I like how content creators make him look bad when we definitely know he didn't say that exact words. Oh the wonderful world of the internet 😂
This is my favorite Joe Rogan supercut ruclips.net/video/yVcd6YbSgBA/видео.html
Lamar Jackson that was hilarious bro 😂
Lamar Jackson I couldn’t take more than a minute. I was laughing to hurt. Was gonna bust a gut
Joe only breaks his no video podcast rule for a few and she's definitely one
You don't understand the resistance to this? Here it is:
IT WOULD HURT THE CHILD'S FEELINGS TO LEARN THEY MIGHT BE WRONG.
@@Jack_MoG That isn't a thing.
@@Jack_MoG IF WE DID NOT FALL DOWN WE WOULD NEVER WALK. I AGREE WITH YOU
@@Jack_MoG
I don't know specifics or about other areas, but my mother is a teacher in Arizona so I know a little bit about that system. They have some sort of "improvement plan" that is customized for the individual student. It is a nightmare for teachers, but it is part of getting those delicious Federal tax dollars back they took from our paychecks. Our schools do have some good prep systems and trade programs though.
azchris1979 WTH? Are you being sarcastic?
It's about the feelings of a small group of activist adults.
Every time Joe mentions Michael Yo the CDC counts it as a positive case.
I need to get this out. I was born Canadian into an American's body. Sorry
Guess who created "hate speech" term, ADL: open.lbry.com/@ERTV:1/e-r-traductions-e-michael-jones:d
There's hope. I was born a Canadian, but I've lived as an American for 20 years of my life. I knew at 3 years old.
@cheap cigs You're speaking literally. Adam's speaking metaphorically - it seems that he prefers the Canadian progressive morality
It sucks to be Canadian right now. Our PM is a crook.
you apologized
you ARE canadian
Micheal Yo will be famous for being the guy that got hospitalized for covid
😂😂😂
Right ever single episode .. he is a legend now :)
I saw him on America's Got Talent as a comedian....painful bit. He won't be famous for comedy but he will be famous for being hospitalized for COVID lol
You can see it coming too
I think at this point Joe is trying to make it a meme.
I worked in Woodstock, NY in my youth, had many gay friends and well remember gay prejudism. We've come a long way in accepting homosexuality. Now we are swinging too far. Going to far is damaging women and children. Biological men performing in women's sports, using women's locker- and bathrooms, taking awards from women is a violation of women's rights. This is hurting gays and women.
how are we "swinging too far"? Gender is a spectrum because of multitude of effort put into researching. People nowadays are just denying the scientific and medical consenses on gender. Gender and sex arent the same thing. if you really want to learn i can link a google document of research!
"had many gay friends" "we are swinging too far" classic homophobe rethoric
Gehrig75 Please explain how a person can possibly be a homophobe AND “have many gay friends”?
If a person is phobic about something why the fuck would they pursue any close relationship whatsoever??
@@brudo2103 gender is NOT a spectrum. It is 99% linked to biological sex. Exceptions to the rule dont make it a spectrum.
@@skurinski do you have anything to prove this? here is sort of short google document with all the facts you need.
docs.google.com/document/d/1vbxCBsFqX_J5xJTmoh-s_zrhGOYGdkIZH7UmNeUtv2k/edit?usp=drivesdk
Michael Yo had covid-19 in case anyone didn't know
Ya but he was on the road for a while, that makes it nearly a death sentence
Joe trolling yall niggas starting the pod with Vitamin D and Michael Yo. 😂
lol
He was deficient in Vitamin D in case you didn't know
Michael Yo probably just over reacted
Debra’s voice is so soothing. I really hope she narrates her audiobook.
This is the craziest Joe Rogan video clip ever!! 😳
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Uptalking, valley girling, and fake vocal fry are anything but soothing. It's everything wrong with how people today talk, and it lessens her credibility.
Her voice actually makes it difficult to get through this.
Yeah I noticed after a few mins it started giving me an ASMR like response, makes it easier to listen/watch in my case as long as I'm not too tired.
I thought I was the only one thinking that she has the soothing kind of voice. Man I can listen to her talk all day.
Indeed, her voice is Soh soothing
I love how her book's title is perfect lure for people's whose ideology might never be challenged inside their circles.
@Ibn Hazm she was misdefining gender the whole time. Its 100% accepted in the scientific community that Gender is social full stop.
@@devina.j.2165 lol wtf are you talking about gender is not social maybe sexual preference is social but we have males and females in the human race in very rare cases we have anomalies like hermaphrodites
@@leonardorodriguez9919 You're conflating biological sex and gender.
@Devin A.J. VànZee Big false.
@Novemdecillion They’re the same thing. Inventing new definitions to suit your politics is invalid.
Just saying there's a lot of men that will completely fall in love with a girl who is like Tom boyish or feels that she's not a girly type girl... Just saying that there's someone who will love you just the way you are naturally
Just sayin...
Yeah but not everyone cares about someone falling in love with them, I personally really don’t, it doesn’t make more or less to have someone who is in love with me
I'm one of them, I like tall and short-haired women that wear pants...Couldn't tell you why, I just do. The thing that turns me off, is any characteristic of a bully.
@John Sampson So there are no women who have a crush on K-pop guys right? Lol ok.
The Problem is that feeling upset has become taboo.
It is no longer acceptable for people to feel sadness, disappointment, or get their feelings hurt and the solution to this is to force everyone else to agree with your bullshit opinions. As if the rest of us don't also have hard times.
I’m masculine too and people don’t see me that way. The trans thing bothers me because they are essentially telling tomboys that they’re not women because they don’t act a certain way.
Random Guy - Always been way too feminine; even thought myself better off being a girl when I was really young. Nowadays I’ve realized that it’s not femininity at all, but just, being patient and calm and introspective that I like, and that as much as I roll my eyes at chad behavior and aggression and dominance games, that other aspects of masculinity like being decisive and problem-solving and stoic are things I like very much. It mostly came down to my interests being kitsch and me being emotionally hypersensitive and in my head too much that made me feel insufficient as a male.
My problem nowadays though is that everytime I hear of some celebrity that I actually find attractive for being no-bullshit and sporty and assertive, I find out she’s gay and it’s like I guess I’ll die alone.
SamWallace Art Lmao! We need to find a tomboy message board. You can find a date and I’ll find some friends.
Its actually quite bigoted. They believe men/women can only act or feel a certain amount of ways. Anything beyond that, then you must be something else. That puts you in a box. If you step out of that box, you are no longer a woman?... wtf?
Sooo...back in the day when bullies would call tomboys 'Dikes' and 'Lesbos'....they were right?!
Amazing how the bigots go full circle...some just become SJWs it seems.
@@fortusvictus8297 ruclips.net/video/Ev373c7wSRg/видео.html
Children have wild imaginations. So....... so why is that in custody cases the child can't decide who to live with, or they can't vote, ect. but they can decide that they are trans? That should be decided only post puberty.
There's a reason why the suicide rates have only gone up since the documentation of "trans" people began
Medically speaking the only thing trans people under 18 can take are puberty blockers which have a pretty marginal effect on the body (men being shorter, slightly lower bone density) and the effects are largely reversable. Also, the trans recedivism rate is less that a percentage point and quite rare to within the trans community that they change their minds later in life. however, a vast majority of trans people do express positive attitudes toward puberty blockers that have taken them or claimed they would have (but didn't have access/knowledge/etc) liked to have them.
Good point children can't enter a legal contract either
@@ericsalazar4027 are you kidding? A marginal effect on the body? Pretty much negating puberty on boy, and giving young girls facial hair will have a drastic impact on their psyche and how they'll view themselves as they grow into adults. Not to mention the neurological changes that aren't well known. Those are not marginal changes. You don't have as much control as you like to think you do.
Dennis D. Chest binders have very permanent effects on girls’ development as well, from my understanding.
Dr. Debra Soh: "I think people would pay a lot for your advice."
Joe Rogan: "I don't think they would."
Spotify: "Hold my beer!"
esp after that ep of how bad spotify makes it for the artists like The Black Keys.
Lmao good one xD
@Ba Doai irrelevant waste of comment space.
Fucking A!
Spotify doesn't want his advice, just his listeners
I'm neither a girly girl nor a super masculine girl, but I am one. A woman, born female. I used to say I want to be a boy when I was little all the time. I used to play with all the so-called male toys, didn't like my dolls and protested any effort my mother made to get me to wear dresses. I wanted to be a boy. I wore boy's clothes. I remember stuffing toilet paper in my pants because I thought that I was just born wrong and would have been better if I had been born differently. It was an exciting thought - it would explain everything, if I was just the wrong kind of girl. All my interests (soccer, gaming, cars, trains) aligned and I think nowadays, you'd definitely call that trans. My parents didn't know anything about that, though, so they thought I was just trying to imitate my brother. They let me do my thing, let me wear my brother's old clothes, let me play with guys. Nowadays, I think that that was my saving grace. By the time I hit puberty, I was seriously despising my body, I rejected wearing bras until my breast growth was too hard to ignore. Even then, I hated them and wished them gone. I cried bitterly when I got my first period, and I tried to hide that from everyone for the first year. I did not want to accept the reality - that my female body was doing its thing. At school, there were no gay or trans people, so I never said anything. It was only when I started falling in love with other girls in my class that I began to realize in what way I was different from my peers. When I was younger I dreamed of myself as a guy so I could someday marry a woman. I hid it for a long time, but by the time I was 18, I finally admitted to myself that I am a homosexual female. I'm a lesbian. It took some more years until I got really comfortable with the idea of being attracted to women in this way, mind you. The more I accepted myself as a lesbian woman, the easier I found it to re-align my feelings with myself, so to speak. I do not feel "gender". I don't know what I am supposed to feel like as a woman! I like different things, but that doesn't make it a gender, in my eyes. I like soccer - but that's not a gender, it's a hobby. I was also diagnosed with autism, which is, I have read, remarkably common in the trans population. I am what you'd call a desister, I think. I grew into myself and am now a happy homosexual woman in my mid-twenties.
I can't fault you for being who you are. We both love women, so common ground. I'm hetero but often mistaken for being gay. I just have a certain swish about me, I guess. I don't try to compensate. I was born to have an air of effiminacy. Hell, I'm artistic. still consider myself a rugged mountain man.
“Are you taking vitamin D?” - My new pick up line
She wants that D... She wants that D... that vitamin D😉 Sounds like a hook.
Lol 🤣
I am transgender and I transitioned when I was thirty literally came out the day before Caitlin Jenner . Which was odd timing. I think trans people embarrass the ones like me who don’t whine and complain about people talking about gender at all. I knew when I was little so many signs added up once I figured it out. I just hate that those type of trans people that are so extreme and I have to be attached to them. Just know so many of us changed before this popularity came out Nd most of us don’t over react like them . I’m totally open and hav helped many people transition advice and just share kindness so thank you for doing the work you do !!!
Devan Ashton thank you!! Those activists shouldn’t represent you nor the LGBTQ group, so much respect for you must not have been so easy and people that would be considered “normal” don’t have the courage most of the time to be themselves just to be happy! Really stories like yours made me realize that some time ago and from there decided to live my life to the fullest just for me to be happy, not always easy it’s normal to feel the pressure to conform but have to stick by it and not be part of the sheep
*_Placing this here because YT won't let me top-post because I'm right too much of the time:_*
Matter is energy, right? Energy is a spectrum right? Every 'thing' is .... a 'thing', right? Except computers. Those do 'binary'! But besides bits (which are only theoretical, and made possible by an extremely complex, brute-force abstraction layer) only 'male and female' is said to be an absolute binary construct. Could we be emotionally attached to gender identity... and therefore in complete denial of what we actually are? Nah!
Have you ever thought about committing suicide after transitioning or are you now healthier mentally than before? Would you have committed suicide if there wasn't the possibility to transition (parallel universe or we live 1958, etc.)
Dr. Soh is amazing and anyone notice how patient she is and she never cuts off joe and vice versa
You cut Joe off, you don't get another invite.
Did Dr. Soh cut shapiro off? I didnt see that but when you have conversations on topics that are controversial and then invite extremely reputable professionals on the podcast, things can get heated and people talk over people its just about being in the moment and listening with a rebuttal at the ready
She’s Canadian, eh? Terminally polite.
Forced transitioning is a form of conversion therapy.
@hasanl234 Exceedingly rarely are kids forced to transition. There's the Reimer case where a young boy had a botched circumcision and the parents raised him a girl with the supervision and encouragement of some deranged doctor who believed gender is 100% influenced by one's environment. Reimer, unsurprisingly, did not grow up to feel like a girl. He detransitioned back to male when he found out his parents had lied to him and fell into a deep depression, subsequently killing himself. Very tragic case, but to my knowledge the only case of its kind. The other guy who told you to "do your research" and, rather fittingly, linked you a Blaire White video, is a deranged conspiracy theorist. Luna (born James) Younger has NOT been forced to transition. Her father is a deeply conservative Christian and has touted that Luna's mother has allegedly "forced their son to be trans". Blaire White routinely ridicules and lies about other transgender people and is in no way a reliable source of information. Everything she says should be taken with a huge grain of salt.
@hasanl234 in the middle east, gay men are forced to transition
@@dougdimmadome4841 Your "arguments" about Blair White and the father in the Younger case are classic ad hominem fallacy. Can't argue with the message, so attack the messenger. I'm an atheist, but I have no doubt that some conservative Christians are better parents than some atheists. In the cases where a parent, sometimes with the support of gender ideologues, manipulates a child into adopting opposite-sex social traits and the transitioning path, the line between manipulation and force is meaningless because of the psychological power of parents and the inability of a child to give meaningful consent on such a profound life decision. That inability to give meaningful consent is the reason why sex with children is a crime, even if the child "wants" it. Genuinely gender-dysphoric kids are in a horrendously difficult situation and parents who manipulate their normal kids into entering that situation are engaged in child abuse.
@@gcrav I fail to see where you even attempted to rebut anything I said. 1) Pointing out that the father is religiously motivated consistutes an adhom now? Yeah, okay. 2) Conservative Christians can definitely make better parents than some atheists. It's all a matter of whether they feel entitled to indoctrinate their young. 3) My contention is with the right's failure to provide evidence that the child in this situation has indeed fallen prey to manipulation. They are, of course, very eager to side with the man who touts explicitly anti-LGBT sentiment. Have you considered the possibility that the mother is not the one trying to enforce her personal biases? This is the issue I have: Whenever a young boy, trans or no, expresses desires that are stereotypically girly and the boy's parents are anything but staunchly opposed to the very notion of trying to accommodate him in some way, a certain side of the political aisle like to jump immediately to the most deranged of conclusions and claim that the boy in question is being tricked by gender ideologues. I truly do wonder whether you have even once considered the possibility that we are delving into the deluded, obtuse and conspiratorial by maintaining that gender ideologues grooming young boys is some kind of common practice. Why does the right believe a boy in a dress is inherently sexual? We don't seem to treat little girls the same way (at least not here in the EU, Americans are truly strange creatures). It's either a case of grown men fetishising little boys and projecting their revolting desires onto those of us who see nothing innately sexual in gender nonconformity; or it's a case of fetishising femininity, *or* it's a case of rampant homophobia or transphobia.
Joe "I tell Doctors what vitamins they should be taking" Rogan.
she thought omega's were vitamins lol
She isn't a medical doctor
Vitamins can't be patented, so they don't have time to teach anything practical about them during all those years of med school.
Doctors don’t know shit about nutrition
Vitamins take Joe Rogan
Joe you're an absolute treasure. Keep grinding man
Why did Twitter cancel this?
We are really going to get to a point where we will not be able to talk about anything due to cancel culture.
No you guys will not be able to talk about anything due to cowardliness! Wake up America, what da f is wrong with you. Turned from a country i dreamed to move to, to a country that only standup comedy makes me want to visit for a week tops. Hurts to watch. Honestly. No trolling. You let 5% of the population dictate the narrative. You literally forgot what democracy and freedom of speech is. The left turned me, a leftist all my life into almost a Republican/Centrist - which I call just a regular reasonable person.
Владимир Бадалян it likely hasn’t turned you. You probably already were
Its just crazy to me that out of all the social media out there, its twitter controlling society.
Just stop using twitter. Seriously. Leave it for the birds, the cuckoos.
DO YOUR PART FOR SOCIETY AND REFRAIN FROM TWITTER
could you elaborate on the context?
"The only way to fight those stereotypes is to say 'I'm still a woman.' You don't have to be super girlie to be a woman." YES.
The saddest part about the current treatments for gender dysphoria is that they clearly pose a danger to children who are not typical to their gender.
@@barkerm9 citation needed.
@@hachelyd_i3232 That would be true if hormones were used on adolescents and children. But that's not the case. The usage of hormones or sex reassignment surgery is illegal for minors: www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jan/05/high-court-to-decide-if-children-can-consent-to-gender-reassignment
What is legal are puberty blockers, that temporarily block hormones and have been proven to be both reversible and improve the mental health of those prescribed: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puberty_blocker
Please don't talk about a subject you clearly know nothing about.
@@goduvideo7995 you're using wikepedia as a source, gtfo of my face. I was referring to parents that allow their kids to be pumped with hormones that don't even belong in their bodies. Kids shouldn't be taken seriously when it comes to transgenderism.
@@hachelyd_i3232 I brought two sources The Guardian and Wikipedia. The guardian states how it was legislated illegal for minors to undergo hormone therapy or gender reassignment surgery. And Wikipedia is simply the definition of hormone blockers, because I don't believe you know what they are.
But at least I have sources, can't say the same for you. Anyway, because you didn't like those I bring you a Nature article, one of the most reliable research publications in the world: www.nature.com/news/largest-ever-study-of-transgender-teenagers-set-to-kick-off-1.19637
It states how hormone blockers have been proven to be reversible and helpfull on transgender individual's mental health.
And your idea that hormones can be prescribed to children is not only false but illegal. I'll restate my source because I guess you don't want to read it: www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jan/05/high-court-to-decide-if-children-can-consent-to-gender-reassignment
If Micheal Yo got a $1 for every time he’s mentioned..
He would be a millionaire! This is my favorite Joe Rogan moment ruclips.net/video/yVcd6YbSgBA/видео.html
He hasn't been mentioned in awhile though
True
Lol
7 dollars....... hed have like 7 dollars
Joe - always trying to hand out some vitamin “D” to the ladies
My favorite Joe Rogan clip 😂 😂 ruclips.net/video/yVcd6YbSgBA/видео.html
NA that's Bryan Callen
@@anthonytorridson5360 thanks, funny shit. I don't listen anymore because he's a shill.
lololol
😂😂😂Faxx
"or you can drink all day and ruin your lif-"
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I like to think the algorithms have a sense of humor.
I like to think they're just this effing shit in 2020 :D
@jackass dumb hardest working liver on the planet right here
@jackass dumb As the child of an alcoholic your kids will deep down "FEEL" that you're distant. My alcoholic parent didn't function well, but even if she had it wouldn't be a good solution.
Find help. There are better ways to raise a family.
Does beer even count as drinking ?
Part of the problem is our obsession as society with labeling people and separating everyone into groups. Can't we just be people?
You can't avoid that.
Human beings are fundamentally tribal in nature.
To be part of a team, group or anything.
Every species in the animal kingdom has its own pack, group or territory.
Humans too are no different. We evolved by being part of a tribe or group.
Group identity is something hardwired into our DNA as a species.
Throughout our evolutionary past, many tribes fought and clashed against each other, some joined together.
It was brutal yes, but its how we evolved.
@Hannibal The right divided the country? You just let any credibility. The left has been using our differences too divide the country into classes for years in order to secure voted and power. Gender and race....... They've made identify politics the core of their platform. But yeah, the right divides.....please.
@Hannibal Keep yapping troll. Your point is ludicrous and completely without merit. Typical lefty. Accuse the other side of the thing you're actually guilty of doing.
We are all just people, but we are not equal and never will be. The problem today with the whole "woke" movement is they are confusing the phrase "treat everyone equally", with trying to treat every single social instance with equal representation. Treat everyone equally means that we SHOULD treat everyone with equal RESPECT. I should respect your beliefs, I should respect your boundaries. You should have the same equal opportunities as everyone else. However, that does not mean that we ARE equal.
Men and women are biologically not equal. Men are stronger, overall men are more aggressive, tend to engage in riskier behavior. People in general arent equal. Some men are taller, stronger, smarter than each other. Should they hire weaker men for more physical jobs, just to be more diverse? The problem is, you cant represent every single group in a work place. People will always have to be grouped. Should we force more women into STEM fields when they are naturally more drawn to social work? No. Because that would be changing their nature for some forced diversity.
Trying to get rid of labels means making things harder to diagnose. It means holding each other back instead of moving forward with efficiency. Men and women are naturally better and more interested in different things, with no regard to social influence. If 80% of men naturally leans towards STEM fields should a workplace look to hire 50% of women in those fields so that the population is equally represented? Think about it.
I've been having this thought so often. People are SO divided and they cling to those labels and agressively fight others who dare use the word transexual instead of transgender for instance. - it's unhealthy. We're individuals.
'Men's Health' editor: "Let's put out a hit piece on one of the most influential, healthy 50+ year old men that once graced our cover."
Are men even reading that nowadays?
@@yuribigboss only in doctors offices and waiting rooms...
More than likely to seem progressive. All about trying to stay relevant
@@yuribigboss I think your comment should say "Are men even reading nowadays"?
I mean their former editor in chief was greg gutfeld, I kinda expect them to be virtue signally more than most.
I'm surprised there isn't a small box in the corner of Debra's Skype screen, with Peter Schiff still talking about gold.
Hahahaha this was hilarious
I lol'd
I don’t get it.
Glad u will disappear after the Spottify Move
LMAOOOOOOOI
Ever since radical progressivism has usurped liberalism, I've felt politically homeless
The woke-ism is just being coopted to keep everyone in a frenzy about ever less important social justice issues, so we never have public discourse on economic justice. If you actually gave a shit about black or trans lives (or anyone's), focusing on things like fair wages and drug laws would do more for them than any amount of reduction in police violence could ever do.
Do you really need a political home though? I think the party system holds us back so much due to team loyalty. I just want a decent human with good intentioned ideas and a realistic way to implement them. I don't care what their political status is so long as they do a good job
Translation: since social Marxism invaded the Democratic Party, I’ve felt politically homeless.
This is why conservatives are the cool kids. They actually have principals and can have a conversation where we don’t start by calling the opponent racist, xenophobic, sexist, and grandparent killers.
@@SNNY-SKTR It's not about the parties or the leaders. You misunderstood what I meant. I'm saying it's the people. That the Cultural Post Modern neo Marxism that has grown out of college campuses like Evergreen that has infected the masses like a plague in the name of the left is anti traditional left. The woke radical left isn't Liberal. Political correctness isn't Liberal. It's not about caring about racial or gender inequality, it's about the Marxist critical theory nonsense that has infected the BLM movement of Identify politics and neo feminism and all the stuff that Bret Weinstein and Jordan Peterson and Christina Hoff Sommers is referring to that they have personally dealt with, before it spread out into the real world. The left is no longer Liberal. The PEOPLE on the left are no longer Liberal. An entire generation of kids who were helicopter parented and told they were great without having achieved anything and placed on drugs to avoid having to feel bad feelings only to wake up as adults and realize that life and reality doesn't treat them that way. Huddled in their safe spaces with their trigger warnings and microaggressions. Fed the ideology that they are oppressed and that's the reason they aren't winners. Believing that every little social inequity and marginalization is to blame for their failure when really they are the weak. When really marginalization and identity is divided into Infinity, when really the only thing you should base things on is on the individual and not collectivist group identity. They're angry because they were told they were special. The one thing I'll agree with the radical progressives on is the blame on the DNC itself for trading Populism for being a plutocracy-kleptocracy ever since the Clinton's took power in the mid 90's. That's when the DNC stopped being the party of labor and stepped away from what the left party should be. But like I said, my point wasn't about parties, I'm talking about the people. Liberalism is dead. And radical woke progressivism killed it. And now that social marginalization has become social popularity currency, the front line victims are all the young girls who are transitioning only to later regret it. And it's the fault of the institutions and all the doctors who are allowing it. Whom are too afraid of the mob to take a stand. Mark the words of Abigail Shrier and Debra Soh and Jordan Peterson. There's gonna be an avalanche of lawsuits coming in the next few years by devastated people who were ruined by transitioning as kids and later wanting to detransition and having their lives ruined.
@@jalander8817 I agree that the right is more willing to have discussion then the drones on the progressive left. But don't make the mistake of believing that there isn't a danger of authoritarian nationalism bigotry coming from the plutocracy kleptocracy autocracy on the right as well. Trump's populism is a lie. But if you're referring to simply conservative people and not the leaders in power, I agree that the people on the right are more willing to engage in debate and discourse, because they aren't shackled by political correctness or infected by wokeness. But just in the way that progressivism has usurped liberalism, I'm afraid that the same polarization is taking place on the right and extreme authoritarian nationalism is also usurping moderate conservatism. Both left-of-center and right-of-center moderates are the victims of the extreme polarization taking place.
As a trans person, thanks for this
Katie Kat Meow god bless you.
hugs sis
Funny that Men's Health would write an article dissing the guy whose probably done more for men's health than anyone on the planet.
Meh. I'm guessing it was click bait to deal with a likely declining if not nosediving market share in the face of so many other resources for men's health.
The same guy who wrote that article also wrote an article about how Joe Rogan stays fit during quarantine... Gotta get that cash.
Men’s Health was always trash. 99% of every magazine is redundant information and not necessarily sourced by A-tier scientists.
Just say no to obvious stupidity, especially when it hurts children
Problem is when they start in theirs own bedroom and noone cares because they can do what they want with is ok but next they try to expand more and more, and before people find out what happend they already agree with stupid ideology. Just like Jordan Petrson say, we dont knew where is the point when the left cross normal and start bo behave worst than far right.
ruclips.net/video/K3-A-qeExXo/видео.html This is amazing
It's sad that they have to defend themselves just to speak freely.
right?!
No kidding. When Joe said “in your opinion”.... I was thinking damn all those crazy ass hit pieces are taking a toll on him lol 20:00
SOUNDS LIKE you are talking about the people in Hong Kong who disagree with the rioters.
Im Toronto, not sher what all ya saying but after watching da hole vid all let yaa know what i think.
Not even to speak freely, to speak about the scientific method and the truths it has revealed over decades of careful study.
So glad you brought her back! She's one of the most insightful, honest, educated speakers on this topic.
Her background looks like she is in a horror film waiting for someone to sneak up from behind her and freak her out
Yeeaaaa
It looks like she's sitting in the world longest and narrowest hallway.
After 2 years joe finally got his second date
Pro
yup :P
I thought I'd seen her before in the studio. She looked sexier live. Sorry for being a sexist pig.
😁😂
Leo Madsen Her voice is great and yes she’s attractive. Great episode though
I love that joe, deep dives into topics and tries to understand them. Conversations about gender should not be stifled but encouraged !
I like u
Nick Pavloff 😊
Joe , Dr.Debra , what an important subject you have brought to the world. A large percentage of Society needs to hear what both of you have to say . Thank you for such great journalism.
I am a transgender woman who thinks that the mainstream "gender ideology" is bullshit and that gender is innate and immutable. That's why I wasn't able to "cure" myself out of being transgender and suffered so much in my life from refraining from transition, until 4 years ago when I finally did. I think that the current ideology is actually pushed by a group of people with ulterior motives who hijacked the trans "movement" to gain virtue-signalling points in order to further their hidden agenda despite all the backlash they will create for us, because they do not care about us, we are just tools to them.
What ironic is that their entire ideology is actually completely contradictory to what it means to be trans. If gender (or sex, or whatever you want to call it) were just a social construct, then why transition at all? Why not just "change your construct"? Believe me I tried, for 30 years, and here I am now, Chad turned into Stacy.
The sad part is that I know from first-hand experience that trans youth are lost, feel isolated and need a sense of belonging and purpose, and the "trans groups" in universities and elsewhere give them an opportunity to feel they are surrounded and part of something bigger than themselves, and sadly their minds become infected with this very damaging ideology without them even realizing it, as they are not taught to think anymore, but rather to denounce and go on ideological witch hunts.
Aaaanyhow. At 37:38, Dr. Soh sends an invite stating that she would like to speak with someone from the community.
I'd be very interested to speak with you, Dr. Soh.
Thank you for sharing your experience! I hope you find more places to share your story, you seem to be a very articulate, thoughtful person, and your voice is very much needed right now.
I bet you still got that D tho
someone once told me that most transsexual people are gender fluid. i didn't get it then and after months of thought i still don't get it. the best i can work it out is that these gender fluid transsexual people must have wrongly thought they were transsexual and transitioning didn't give them peace
So you're a terminally confused man. Sorry, I had to translate your statement for people who are not insane.
Attempting Anonymity it looks like society's crudely experimenting on children
Debra is so level-headed about this hot potato. I like her.
Xanax
Agreed! Very measured in her reactions and choice of words
She's very likable!
and she's cute, always a big plus lol
@@youngvolki1745 meh, i mean she looks fine but, cute is a stretch imo.
Joe Rogan has been consistently uploading episodes with great guests. I love this podcast. As a painter I can put my headphones in while I work and just listen to the podcast. It’s great!
You on Instagram?
I listen to JRE and paint too!
@@buzzlightyearandco Maybe don't listen to Bill Burr whilst you paint in that case; especially not his podcasts where he rags on painters (though they are funny). I will just leave this here ruclips.net/video/wW9Q717t8XI/видео.html
Dochness I am not :( I don't use very much social media other than reddit and youtube.
S L it actually helps me when I paint. Because if I become too focused on the painting I don't do well. Sometimes Joe Rogan will distract me and give me a breather and then I can come back to what I was doing and it works out great
I also dont get how they let transwomen play on girls and women's sports. That is just blatantly unfair. The victories (for TW) and losses (for TM) tell a very clear story. Many of those who transition from m to f have a tremendous advantage. They've swept titles and set new world records (also keeping the female athletes from their rightful wins) in a whole range of different sports, yet not a single transmale has done either in any sport! Ask yourself why that is. I dont see how there is anything meaningful anyone else could possibly say on the subject. The performances dont lie. It past time we right this wrong before we continue down this grossly unfair path. Athletes only get that one shot and they absolutely bust their ass to win. This amounts to the end of women's sports/ How long until someone fields an all transfemale team?
@Mookayla the pendulum shouldn't exit. The fact that woke SJW politics are shouting down science and common sense is frightening. What is it going to take to make your pendulum swing? Will a trans male have to beat a biologoical female to brain damage in MMA before common sense prevails? Our society should be beyond that
@@scottlindsey8313 Interesting. Trans people, and others, have been murdered and beaten and bullied for.... Well that is still going on today. So I do not like how you take small isolated incidents and pretend it is the norm.
And please do tell what science you are referring to?
What "woke sjw and more buzzwords" are you talking about? The MMA ppl are woke? Their the ones who let her fight.
Mookayla I was pretty against trans women in sport for a while but it was only a personal opinion until I saw Noel Plum actually look into the studies and data shown on Transwomen in sport and I think his stance is the most reasonable by far.
Sports should regulated in accordance to fairness and it’s unfair to have a person who is naturally producing high levels of testosterone to compete against a group of people who naturally produce little to no testosterone, akin to doping.
His studies are in reference to track but I think some obvious parallels can be drawn. For one thing, he says that a competitor should not be compared to others of the group but instead what the competitor would be like if they didn’t have the contentious condition in question. IE, in your example of Fallon Fox, we shouldn’t compare Fallons muscle mass and testosterone levels to her competition, but instead compare those things to what Fallon Fox would have been like had she been born a normal female.
That I think really seals it as without a male puberty, Fallon would not have the levels of testosterone and muscle mass she has now. They would be significantly less if she was a female.
Hence Fallon had an unfair advantage and should have been disqualified until she met the requirements to fight. That being a reduction in the relevant elements for the sport.
But like Noel I think regulations like this can only stretch so far and it’s not the best solution we can come up with. I like his suggestion of having the female category being protected for biological females and an open category for all genders and sexual capacities, but I can also see where it might also not be the best solution, particularly for transmen or those with intersex conditions who would be put at a disadvantage going against biological males...
But we live in a very imperfect world so a perfect solution that makes everyone satisfied is not likely to come. It’s just managing what we can at this point.
@@kimmiewise1044 lol. I agree especially with the last part you said.
Basically, the reason it's considered a transphobic position is because saying that trans women shouldn't compete with cis women invalidates their position as a woman.
But, the issue is, they're asking to be treated as cis women when they aren't cis. They are trans.
1 minute in and we've had the obligatory reference to Michael Yo getting covid. I can rest easy now.
I think the “outrage” from trans activists is manufactured. They make people think everyone’s opinion on trans acceptance is settled, so if you don’t agree, they attack and make you the bigoted outlier, then you fall in line. Then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Not so much trans activists themselves but the neoliberal machine often copts these movements and distorts them. Poor trans activists (where the real struggle is) don’t even have the resources to get their message that far, thus neoliberals play their message to their own tune.
It’s sick and I wish this didn’t happen so often.
Yeah but those trans activists attack even real trans who's opinion differ from them, take for example Blair White who is against trans kids and who said that Mai in trans community are against that.
It may be exaggerated. However ppl have lost their jobs or being banned from university or teaching not for discrimination but for not acknowledging the concept of several genders. Eg the femminist Germaine Greer lost her position at university because she said she didn't believe in other genders. I'm not one for 'isms' so I'm not femminist or even interested in her but that seems rather unfair. She said she would be happy to use the preferred pro nouns out of respect but couldn't acknowledge that gender reassignment actually changes your biological gender. Jordan Peterson got hell too. My politiu views don't align with his but that should not mean his job is threatened because he doesn't believe in changing language to cater to dysphoria.
@@Canyoutakemebackwhereicamefrom Yeah it's terrible that people get fired for those opinions. My point is that people get fired because of **perceived** mob outrage, which is manufactured on Twitter and other social media platforms, probably by a tiny number of people who want everyone to *think* that all people on their side. So then you have real people (like university staff, journalists, or scientists) that are scared into becoming or siding with the "mob."
@@happinessisafulltank yeah I would agree that the trans activists are a minority. But it is hard to know what is what. So much of our perceived reality is really just an illusion created by media, marketing, government and powerful corporations. It is important to always question the narrative and try to remain objective. Ppl should not be censored for asking questions. But there are also far more important issues to address in this world than gender identity. Climate change, distribution of wealth and power, poverty, war etc. Makes one wonder how we got our priorities so fucked up? Don't you think?
It’s terrifying to think that if I grew up 10 years later it would’ve been possible for my parents to put me through a sex change if I randomly said “I’m a girl”... dude I don’t even stand by the shit that I said 2 years ago.
Exactly , I'm not personally affected by the issue on the show, but I do know (from a lot of lost years miss spent as 20 and 30 something year old) that whenever or if you feck around with chemicals and brain chemistry the is always a big price , without mentioning surgery... No hate just love , think carefully people .
I agree wholeheartedly that the far left ideology is forced throughout media, and our school systems now. My cousin is a conservative 10th grader who gets threatened for even mentioning his beliefs in public school (Los Angeles), when left kids are shouting out ideas like white shame and teachers openly support & promote those radical left ideas. Children shouldn't be political or ashamed of themselves for personal beliefs...they should be kids. Educators shouldn't facilitate political aggression/oppression in our youth.
Save the kids!
The mass media is completely corporate controlled and now exists to protect the status quo. They don't allow any aternative to consumerism capitalism. The media completely crushed Bernie Sanders because he represented change and threatened the billionaires that OWN the mass media. Joe Rogan is the only liberal media left in the world because he actually allows people with different views on the air. The people on Joes show would never ever be allowed on the mass media. No fresh ideas are allowed on the corporate controlled mass media. Whats even worse is they have tricked a lot of people into thinking the opposite.
I think a lot of people who claim to be persecuted for being right wing, really just tend to have said something nasty about gay people, minorities or transgenders. Sometimes those very people would be in the class, or they have friends or family that are from those groups, in an entire classroom its good odds somebody has a connection. Guess what, you say nasty things about somebodies friends or family then they won't like you. A lot of people don't realise you can be right wing and still respect those people.... Many people, especially children, don't know how to discuss these topics respectfully, it can be hard even for adults sometimes.
I consider myself fundamentally liberal. I was recently injured and decided to finish high school in my down time after 20 years out of school. It is terrifying what they are teaching kids. Facts mean nothing if they conflict with the woke propaganda machine that the school system has turned into.
I don’t think we should have kids oppress their political curiosity. We should just focus on teaching them to respect people with different opinions and how they should interact with such people.
Stifling political curiosity and activism in teens is what leads to political apathy later in their adult life which has ALREADY led to a lot of problems. Ironically, one of those problems is political extremism taking over national politics.
Debra Soh Fine.
Idread damn bro chill
Idread simppp
@Idread she has a lesbian face actually. like the dead face
Brian I get it, really I do... but why you guys gotta act so damn thirsty in the comments all the time...
Idread, did you just assume a gender??? HOW DARE YOU
Cancel culture has made truthful, free thinking, honest, interviews extinct. And because of Joe’s bravery he’s going to be a billionaire
Either or, Joseph, either or. Either it has made the interviews extinct - or they still exist. They clearly still exist, or under which interview do you think you've commented?!
Social Media has a HUGE hand in making circumstances what they are today. Giving stupid people voices and those people are leading other stupid people. Blind leading the Blind basically.
Patrick- I guess I have to simplify my statement. Although these conversations have disappeared, Joe still has them, and is Rich because of this.
@@josephwiacek8123 Hehe. I got what you MEAN to say from the original statement. It's not complicated in any way. By trying to simplify it, however, you didn't get rid of the original mistake. You're still claiming they've gone - and that they're still there at the same time. This is not Schrødinger's cat. Quite obviously, they still exist, they just moved.
Joseph Wiacek cancel culture only has power because of capitalism
Men’s Health needs to grow a set.
This is the best Joe Rogan video clip 😂 ruclips.net/video/yVcd6YbSgBA/видео.html
Men’s Health is garbage. Used to read them in the late ‘90s early 2000s until I realized it’s just the same shit every year.
It's a she-male
Men's health is a ken doll pos mag
when she was going on about feeling like a man ive never felt more gay in my life
lmao
I'm a man and can't answer that question, i only know what it's like to be me!
@@Imsuper656 ...
I-
Yeah that was funny when she debunked her own argument
"You have no idea the physical toll, that three vasectomies have on a person."
- Michael Scott
Snip-snap-snip-snap-snip-snap
Imagine being a doctor of sexology. Best business card ever.
I'd assume she was hitting on me if she gave me that business card.
"I'm sorry, I'm married."
@@KB-rh4vd I am something of scientist myself..
Thank you for this important program. My best friend has a daughter who came home from school one day saying she wanted to transition to be a boy. She is from broken family and is 11 years old. My advice to my friend was to tell her daughter that she did not need to make this decision NOW. That she could wait until she was older and that it was no problem. Her daughter had NEVER BEEN TOLD that she did not need to make this huge decision in her life now. I am happy to say that the daughter was relieved and much more relaxed now that this pressure has been taken away from her.
I'm glad she's ok. Tbh MOST girls would be a boy if given the option. Can we blame them for not wanting to be "the weaker sex," get periods & give birth? But after puberty, most of us (>96% historically) lead heteronormative lives. What we're seeing now, at least in NY where I work, is 25% of girls self-identifying as LGBTQIA+. Whether that's bc "diversity is celebrated" in modern culture or there's another reason, idk
my daughter is in a group where they all think they are bi, and one thinks she is trans. our kids are being brainwashed, and confused.
This is not odd, I am very feminine (according to people around me) but most of my interests align with typical male interests, there are lots of women out there like that.
'Feminine' is a construct, it's a role people want you to adopt based on your sex!
Yeah, I’m not sure I agree with her on binary gender. Gender is a word that literally came about to describe stereotypical sex roles. Binary sex, yes. Sex differences, yes. But binary gender? Mmm no.
Nothing wrong with a woman in having the same interests that men do. I hope my future wife likes watching the NFL with me someday. Most guys dig that.
beltalowda you are a genius! So original!
How to eliminate group identity politics: Treat everyone as individuals.
Yep. The same goes for racism, sexism etc. It really is that simple.
That is the opposite of what the progressive movement believes, which is why they're the real bigots.
@@Endbringer42 I had a conversation with a progressive about wearing rainbow colours. It came down to people who say that rainbow colours push politics and they said all white men and I said really only ass holes say that.
They couldn't comprehend a small minority of jerks make a lot of regular people look bad. So I brought up TERFs and misandry in the feminists community. I said are they jerks or are they representive of all feminists just like how ass holes are representative of all men. They just said it's derailment and problematic.
The point is they are capable of believing contradictory statements like double think in George Orwell a 1984. To see it first hand was incredible.
They are incapable of seeing individuals because it is problematic, challenges their religion of Marxism, and forces them to confront the fear that they aren't the good guys.
The BORG disagrees
@DarthYuYevon That's nonsense.
Woke culture: preaching tolerance but practicing intolerance...the irony
Intolerantly teaching tolerance. 😆
If you’re truly tolerant, you have to be intolerant of intolerant people. They’ve just mistaking who the intolerant ppl are
deep af eva
Zombies. Undead.
Only for them, not for anyone else. Control mechanisms and agendas
Do you know how many phases I went through before I turned 18? Thank God I wasn’t able to make permanent life decisions through any of them.
Goth for life
It’s hilarious to picture irreversible Goth/Emo people at 60 years old
Most goth chicks I knew are still delicious today.
One month later.... "California requires correctional facilities to house transgender inmates based on gender identity". lol. Newsom is freaking crazy.
When I was in high school, in the mid 2000s, my friend group went from one lesbian to only lesbians. Over a decade later ALL those girls (other than the one girl who was homosexual all along) are married to men and have children. An anecdote maybe, but it's important to realize how trendy it was for these girls to fit in.
My cousin who was basically me and my brothers sister was a girl and moved to a new school and her first friend was a lesbian who was an actual lesbian and still is but the rest of there friend group 3 more girls and a guy said they were gay including the guy they all have boyfriends and the guy has a girlfriend today besides the original girl who said she was gay to just thought I’d chime in seeing our story’s are so similar
Interesting. That wouldn't fly in Croatia where I'm from. That chick wouldn't be popular in here class.
@@peaceofcake2153 This isn't the 2000's anymore
In my area around that same time it was being vegan. Was always hilarious finding those same people out having a burger on the weekend. At least that trend didn't have life long impacts like the subject being discussed today.
This is true when I was in school majority of girls turned lesbian for a phase
If there an age min for smoking (21 in ca) and drinking why not life altering choices?
lowkey college should be put under the category “life altering choices” as well and then we make an age minimum
If they aren't old enough to pay for it themselves I don't think they are old enough.
@NoPain NoGain in a place with no laws, a deserted island, age doesn't have any relative influence on rights or what's allowed. Relevance, none. Australia is a separate sovereign country but that doesn't mean this issue doesn't exist.
Hmm, arbitrary numbers chosen for political reason based upon emotional propaganda creating a popular opinion.
Why would you suggest adding a bright line to an individual choice issue that will never have a realistic answer?
You just want to create new laws to control people based upon some arbitrary set of conditions created by other individuals?
The reason people start early is because it is much easier to get far better results, especially prepubescent.
Think of it as creating a law to prevent sexual intercourse until a person reaches an age where sex drive has declined.
People would make much better choices given their maturity and experience and absent the desire to feed their sexual drive.
The end results might be better for your intentions but does that warrant the delay, the infringements, the control given to others?
On the other hand, we do require parents to assume legal responsibility and liability for children until age 18. So saying making tobacco less available to children under 18 is a parents duty or choice. Clearly the majority of parents agree that a law preventing the sales of tobacco to children is what they want. I'm not in agreement with the idea of dictating to a shop owner what they can or can't do in order to achieve what parents fail to do is an unjust law.
You are suggesting replacing parenting with government regulation. Limiting individual choice not to prevent harm to others but based upon ????? Some conclusion or result that you haven't stated or reasons not given.
One of my best friends was totally screwed up by his parents, does that mean his parents broke some law or some combination of laws would have protected him from harm?
The law that might help far more people... Keep your opinions to yourself, live your life and accept that others have the same right to make their own choices good or bad.
If people want to transgender then let it become normal until it's a it is a decision like what music you listen to.
It is an unfortunate reality that time passes and once a decision is made you can't change that point in time.
You can't undo in your 40s what you did in your teens. Laws should be very specific and proven to be greatly necessary before we even consider going that route.
Children do not know who they are! You can support them all you like but to change their sex on a medical level is child endangerment. A child dose not truley know and UNDERSTAND the consequences to their choices, on how life altering it truly is. If children cannot be held responsible for their choses why would you give them the biggest choice of their life? And if so then on a case to case basis to protect the child he or she should be given all the facts and then have a specialist board determine if its in the best interest for that child. If there is a court to rule if adults are competent why not one for something that decides the childs whole life. I just know when I was that age I still didnt have a clue.
My daughter says shes a cat...do I feed her cat food? Expect her to use a litter box? To not do it would be discriminatory, right?
Are you really that dumb?
@@declanp1 No he makes a great analogy and point you can't derail. Deal with it.
Im offended that you haven't signed off on her Cat reassignment surgery.
@@declanp1 Seems like only dumb people call others dumb, thanks for proving the point. Wow... 🙈
Is it a she or he cat?
I had no idea joe rogan was in his 50s, he is in amazing shape.
DMT, Elk meat killed with a bow, float tank, sauna for heat shock proteins, weed, vitamin D, vitamin C, ZINC, and let’s not forget......HGH & TRT.
Kevin Harris every podcast in short 😂
He looks like he is in his 50s to me..
Fillemexicaine36 you must live in healthy part of the world. Go to some blue collar towns
@@Fillemexicaine36 Same.
Omg. She’s so amazing. She’s articulating the facts. People are so afraid to discuss sex and difficult issues. Bravo, lady.
You obviously missed all of the parts where she's dancing around reality. She is only prepared to go so far. Brave to a point. (And Bravo is for addressing men. Perhaps that was a nod to her male ID). Brava, lady.
For someone that talks more than most people. its ok if he repeats stuff in my eyes (we even know its coming)...try talking to one person for 3 hours without repeating nevermind 1500 odd........we all love too listen afterall.
😂 my favorite Joe Rogan clip ruclips.net/video/yVcd6YbSgBA/видео.html
Agreed
you dont have to be sorry for him dude
He said ages ago if your like that your watching too much of me. Even I hate that about me lol.
Hes awesome!
I don’t have kids but you better believe I wouldn’t let my 12 year get a tattoos, So hormones? 😳 That’s an 18+ decision.
And as a man that's taken gear (testosterone), I know that even when Health & Normal growth are concerned:
·· 18-is Def still TOO YOUNG; Any Legit person with Fitness knowledge should agree
I waited until almost 23 to start & was always safe about it & researched everything prior...
omnivore gains ~ VERY TRUE.. - Unfortunately, most don't even realize it!
·· it begins as young as High School & the kids don't know what they're causing long-term...
·· It took EVERYTHING I had to wait until I was 23, but I 'became a man' much younger than all my friends; But yes I agree, most should wait until 25+ of they're thinking about it..
·· And DO THE RESEARCH! PCT after every cycle! I could go on but they never like to be lectured!! LoL. Be smart & safe if you choose to do it! For anyone debating....
Take care..!! 👍💪💪👊🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪🙃💪🙃
@omnivore gains I agree, but we let 18 year olds make all sorts of other life altering decisions, I see no reason to hold another back. Im not for transitioning children, but late teens is something different. Especially, if you know your kid. My son is the most self aware teenager I've ever met, if he told me he wanted to transition and he held on to that for a few years I would allow him to transition at 16 or 17 (not that I get much choice). My daughter however, who is a wonderful child and probably the sweetest individual in my life, pretty much changes with the wind and doesn't do much self exploration. If it were her wanting to transition, it would be a different conversation. Either can dress and act how they'd like and use whatever pronoun but actual changing hormones needs to be on a case by case basis.
People Assigned Male at Birth that are actually women will have a very hard time if they don't use puberty blockers before the age of 11. Assigned female at Birth men are less impacted by taking testosterone later in life.
Shit + 25 at least. Most are still idiots till 30s
I highly disagree with how she is saying porn isn’t an addiction. Each thing that she described of what she saw from people, are exactly the DSM criteria for most substance use disorders. We used to say there were not food addictions because of the same lack of “withdrawal” qualifier and now we have binge eating disorder in the DSM. As a therapist, I’ve seen many people with a porn addiction that is the same as alcohol. What she is saying about the coping skills and assertiveness training...literally that’s the foundation of any good addictions treatment.
Any behavior can become an addiction if it turns into a coping mechanism
It sounded like she even admitted she was defending it out of fear that people will call porn bad. Which is not a good reason to say it can’t be addictive.
@@loolovesyou Agreed.
You mean aside from her pointing to actual research, where it turns out that it isn't an addiction.
NOPE, the DSM isn't the Bible, it changes frequently.
Until 1973 DSM was against Homosexuality.