THIS HAS HAPPENED IN BRAZIL. THIS HAAAS HAPPENED IN BRAZIL!!!!!!!! I won't mention the name of the freak shit. Refuse to advertise for that disgusting HIM.
@@johnpliskin8759 they ABSOLUTELY do. It means it's what illuminatti/globalists/whatever you wanna call 'em are pushing and force feeding as "beautiful", "valuable", "acceptable". That joke of the "woman for 6 months and wins woman of the year" actually DID happen in my country last year - maybe HE was a fucking transvestite for longer - point being is that thing even still has its ballsack (and let 'escape' the disgusting miniskirt in one of the shows of that freak) but nonetheless the red media (99% of the media) selected it as the woman of the year. The 'world' is _not_ crazy. It's just fine. Crazy are the poor useful idiots and slaves of the left/globalism.
I want to be accepting, I want to not have bigoted views. But when someone accused me of being transphobic because I said I wouldn’t sleep with a person who was biologically born a man, I really lost the plot. The lady was claiming that you don’t see her as a “real” woman, and I said she’s not. Then I was viewed as Hitler from that point on. Seriously, what is the world coming to. Are we helping people find their true self or exacerbating mental health issues.
I tend to not want to step on people's toes either, but these days I've also lost the plot a little. When the progressive types go after stuff like my sexuality being straight, and my preferences in women that I like, that's when I knew that mental illness is being propped up more and more now, without a care in the world.
I’m sad that’s what’s being pushed. I totally understand, it’s not phobic to not have attraction. You gotta be a little extra to want to hook up with me, I’m like a different category of woman that kept her penis… so that’s kinda weird if a guy wants a vagina. I can’t blame anyone who can’t cross that line. Plenty of dudes do, some have wives and are like 95% straight. I’m a woman* but I don’t expect everyone wants me, that’s illogical even for a biological female.
I just broke up with a long term off and on relationship because I didn’t agree with call a biological male a “she” in the privacy of my own life. I did not know this person and would probably never meet this person and she told me I was disrespectful and ignorant. It was absolutely mind blowing to me. Just thought I’d share my story on how insane these topics are and what damage they can cause.
If she can’t accept Science and facts she is not a keeper. Especially if she uses your own beliefs against you and throws it in your face and blackmails you emotionally. She can’t have her cake and eat it too. Goodbye, Jill.
@@waitin4winter The only reasonable interpretation of "I'm not going insane" is that you're sympathizing with the two speakers' points of view. If that's not what you meant, the disconnect between what you meant and what you said is your fault.
It's a tough one because especially in males, transition after puberty is dangerous and can be fatal. Transgendered people have died, because the hormones and surgeries were too much for their anatomy to handle. It's a scary game to play with someone else's life, even if its you're own kid. In my opinion, Age 16 should be the MINIMUM age to begin a hormonal transition and you should NEVER be legally allowed to undergo genital reconstructive surgery unless you are over age 18 and can prove you have taken specific psychological therapy's with EXPERTS in transgenderism and transitional surgery.
@@kaylaavirett2256 16 is too young. The body is still developing. A simple search on RUclips will find you a number of Trans people who have channels and even go on pro-trans podcasts who strongly regret their decision. Most say they needed to be treated psychologically rather than surgically. This is especially important to kids who are at the age where they're still growing, yet want to be different by any means. Next, look at the suicide rates. Then look why they're committing suicide. Hint: It's regret, not being stereotyped.
"What it is is homophobic" she nailed it. As a gay guy, i have felt this way for awhile. Parents seem to rather have a trans girl than a gay son anymore. A shame.
yep. some parents can't imagine their son as a gay man and engage with other guy in the future. but if that son become a "visually looking girl", then he can like boys, since he is a "woman"
I’m not gay, but my brother is, and I’ve always felt that it’s unfair for you guys. Being gay is just an attraction. It’s perfectly normal. Gender dysphoria is a legit mental illness. Lumping you guys with transgender is just a way to pander to multiple groups at once. I strongly believe the term “LGBTQ+” wasn’t created by a gay person, it was a politician who doesn’t care about gay or trans people, and they certainly don’t care about the opinions of either group, they just want your votes and prefer to pander to both of you guys at once. The same with just calling people “minorities” all at once. My dad is Mexican. My uncle is black. Those are two entirely different cultures, they’re not both “minorities”. These labels are just pandering in my opinion
@@bigpapi6688 Mexicans and blacks are minorities there’s many different minorities not just one. That’s kind of the point of why it’s called minorities in plural or “a” minority (as in one out of many). Homosexuality strongly parallels mental illness if you want to bring that into the equation. However, data shows it is strongly associated to pre-natal hormonal environment and insufficient testosterone levels in the womb. Hormones (or lack thereof) drive behavior. It can be said gay men have a very specific personality type, that while not a “personality disorder” it strongly parallels it. However, hormonally not psychologically. “Stereotype” gay men tend to exhibit avoidance, grandiosity, self trashing, attachment insecurity, psychopathy and other various psychological conditions and distortions but on very surface-level superficial ways vs. deep rooted psychological deficits and malfunctions. So, no, it’s not just an attraction. Of course everyone is to be respected but it’s not just that one man is gay and the other isn’t. It’s due to hormonal insufficiency in the pre-natal environment. And as grown adults, both men will present drastically differently personality-wise. You could even call it a third gender, as many cultures the world over have done. Male way Female way Gay way Gender dysphoria is more closely related to problems with Identity as a whole. Something totally different to hormones and homosexuality and the data that backs that up.
Humans were designed to do one of two things... 1) Give sperm for procreation or 2) Receive sperm for procreation. This means you can either be male or female. It’s really not that complicated.
@@bcs259 The overwhelming majority of your own species, humanity, are straight. Sperm from a biological human male meeting the eggs of a biological female human is how we get other humans. The process is called procreation which enables each and every living species on the planet to continue to survive. It's literally in the word that the process of procreation procreates. I will dumb it down so you cave people can understand. Male bear meets female bear. They have fun time. Female bear has bear children. Male bear happy. Female bear happy. Bear children grow up big and strong. Bear children have fun time with other local bears. Their female bears have bear children and live happily ever after. You understand? Me speak cave language. Must communicate, less words. Big words scary.
I am a lesbian and I grew up a tomboy. After hearing all the conversations, I'm glad no one made me transition. That's not who I was. You can't let children decide, you can be compassionate about their feelings but transitioning before 18 is a big no no.
@@Aaron-rd3cd I do shudder at the thought because for a while growing up I thought I must be a boy because I was attracted to girls. Trans ideology is a sign how homophobic our society is even today.
@@Aaron-rd3cd Nah I disagree. Pushing children to identify as trans is a problem, but isn't the norm by any means. This isn't as widespread as they make it seem.
"they want the best for their kids" ever hear the saying the road to hell is paved with good intentions? an abuser never tells you im here to abuse you. Never trust someone who talks about how good their intentions are/were.
@@NotKimiRaikkonen exactly, and once people acknowledge that and become open minded enough to self criticism, then will they see that being tolerant of bullshit like "gender spectrum" and "white privilege" is nothing but an excuse to divide people into boxes and point their finger at something that isn't even the cause of whatever issue they wanna fight for. The government isn't corrupt because of white people, it is corrupt because bad people exist, of ALL races. Identifying as something other than male and/or female (intersex) because you don't fit behaviorally/psychologically entirely as one or the other does not mean you are something new, it just means you have a different combination of masculine/feminine characteristics. So many non issues and distractions, all for bad people to keep us divided and conquered.
I was a massive tomboy from ages 10-13, if I had known what transitioning was I would have told you I was trans. Puberty hit and I stopped being a tomboy to a certain degree, I still like wearing some mens clothes but thats just a comfort thing. These kids are just finding themselves just give them some time to find out who they are!
Joe: “Bill Nye really isn’t a scientist, he’s a...science uhhh..what would you call it?” Me: “say science guy” Her: “personality he’s like a media personality” Me: omg Joe: “a promoter of science” Me: “A SCIENCE GUY.”
Grown ups having a grown up conversation without being shouted down. I would like it if Joe flipped the script and got someone in there who was super into transgenderism. I've taken it upon myself to listen to a few of these folks chatting about their lifestyle or who they are and I'm not going to lie... I have some problems with some of what they're saying. That doesn't mean I'm not like 80% supportive, it just means there's just a handful of aspects I just won't/can't embrace. I have learned they're super touchy about people whom aren't 100% in agreement with their thinking... that for me is always ared flag. Anytime someone is a hundred percent anything and then gives an ultimatum whatever the topic/subject is I can just about guarantee you there's something off
As a medical professional, whenever an MTF or FTM comes in for the primary care appointment, the MTFs have to take care of their existing prostate issues. When an FTM comes in for their estrogen level check up or to have a PAP test. When those things happen, they learn that their gender is a not a matter of thought, it’s a matter of fact, and they learn REALLY QUICK. I always thought the trans men are so agro because of all the extra testosterone running through their bodies.
It’s amazing that people who say that gender is a cultural construct and believe in science, deny the actual science and then push for a cultural construct of gender fluidity. 🤔
Those who claim gender is not a social construct are often conflating gender with sex; that's the issue. Sex is a biological concept that describes one's bi-modal destitution of reproductive autonomy, while gender is a sociological concept describing social expectations pertaining to masculinity and femininity. Since this is my field of study, I always find it funny how reactionaries on the internet have convinced themselves that gender expectations are somehow biological traits, while ironically accusing others of not understanding biology.
@@ScorpionXII Funny how now, historically, gender and sex are conceived as different things. Such an idea never existed, nor the idea of “social construction”, at least not explicitly. I’m not denying that social construction exists, but to somehow claim that an individual’s identification to a particular gender is somehow a process that is not biological in nature, but PURELY “socio-cultural” is beyond absurd. If gender is a pure social construction, which just means something constructed in the mind, why do people care so much about it? If it’s just an idea, a conception, it is entirely arbitrary and a spontaneous thing. Moreover, if it is a phenomena of the MIND it surely must follow the mechanical/neurological functions of the brain. Social construction sounds like it’s transcendental, like it’s beyond the “brain”. Beyond “human nature”. People should keep an open mind and test these claims appropriately, instead of blindly accepting them as truth with no questioning whatsoever.
@@1yanyiel When biologists separated gender from sex in the 1970s, they did so with the goal of separating all that which should reasonably be studied in biology from all that which reasonably shouldn't. Gender being defined in science as a set of social expectations pertaining to masculinity and femininity... such as grooming practices, clothing choices, speech patterns, and so on. If you wish to make the argument that dresses and shaved arm pits are a biological trait and not a social construct... you're free to, but the entire scientific field of biology disagrees with you. Anyways... the issue with reactionaries on this topic is that they have prescriptivist worldviews. The reason why they believe gender and sex are the same thing is because that's what they have prescribed as normal. If Harry Styles wears a dress... he's denying reality; as Candice Owens claimed recently.
@@ScorpionXII Can you at least address my argument. Because I understand what you're saying, I just want to make sure you understand me. I will copy/paste again my main argument. "If gender is a pure social construction, which just means something constructed in the mind, why do people care so much about it? If it’s just an idea, a conception, it is entirely arbitrary and a spontaneous thing. Moreover, if it is a phenomena of the MIND it surely must follow the mechanical/neurological functions of the brain. Social construction sounds like it’s transcendental, like it’s beyond the “brain”. Beyond “human nature”" At least from the evolutionary standpoint, everything that you said is correct. In fact, our social nature cannot exist precisely without our biological sub-structure. That includes the possibility of creating social constructions (Which is just culture). BUT, there has been clear studies on how male and female species show different behavioral tendencies in a very "natural" way. Other studies have shown how men's brain differ from women's brain in certain ways. So what biology is saying is that both "masculine" and "feminine" traits already pre-exist within us and pre-determine certain things about our behavior. It is not a "pure" social construction, it comes from a pre-determined biological structure. So here's the take: biology predetermines some "gender-like" behavior on us, and gender social constructs are things that have been conceived by human beings through many cultures through time and it is BASED on those pre-existing behavioral patterns. It doesn't make any sense either that people naturally, no matter what the socio-cultural background they have, feel a natural attraction identify themselves with a gender in itself. That is exactly the premise behind many parenting nowadays that follow the LGBT community on how to raise their children. Instead of imposing a certain gender, the child will naturally identify with whatever gender during his/her social development. So, with all these arguments laid here, to say that gender is a pure social construction is a very unsophisticated way to look at this, considering how important it is to our "identity" and the very weird/bizarre way it manifests in humans lives.
@@1yanyiel You could use this logic to argue that pizza is a biological reality because humans created it using their natural brains which gave them the requisite sense of taste that gave them the predilection with which to invent it. It's also important to know that this logic is a naturalistic fallacy; the assumption that all that manifests from natural descriptive traits are by definition objective good/true. It's also an is/ought fallacy because you're drawing a conclusion on what ought to be based on what is; that is... sexual characteristics that lead humans to socially construct gender roles. “Other studies have shown how men's brain differ from women's brain in certain ways” Untrue... all brains are the same, but they develop differently during hormone washes due to a process biologists call brain feminization. “So what biology is saying is that both "masculine" and "feminine" traits already pre-exist within us and pre-determine certain things about our behavior” Yeah just like pizza. Anyways... it seems your naturalistic fallacy is the basis of this entire paragraph so I'm going to skip this. “It doesn't make any sense either that people naturally, no matter what the socio-cultural background they have, feel a natural attraction identify themselves with a gender in itself” This argues the exact opposite of what you said earlier. “That is exactly the premise behind many parenting nowadays that follow the LGBT community on how to raise their children” Gender provides no real benefit to children; especially considering the fact that the gender roles of “boy/girl” has only been a thing for about 100 years. We used to used to assign the gender role of “boy” to all kids, and “man/woman” were assigned to adults only; this is still the case in some countries. All kids wore dresses and were practically indistinguishable from one/another; this was not a denial of biology, this was merely an example of why gender is an arbitrary social construct. “Instead of imposing a certain gender, the child will naturally identify with whatever gender during his/her social development” This is false. Kids naturally identify with whatever social construct that are around them. If that's man/woman, then that's man/woman. Girls behave like girls because every other girl behaves like a girl; it's the same with language. If you're born in Ireland, you're going to have an Irish accent. Capitalism also plays a role in these social construct, since one walk through the toy section at Walmart will give you a sense of how arbitrary gender roles are. “So, with all these arguments laid here, to say that gender is a pure social construction is a very unsophisticated way to look at this” It's the most academically accurate and most philosophically consistent way of looking at it.
@@ryguy891 Sean beats him as an interviewer just because he really works hard to ask the best questions. Hot Ones is a more structured show anyway, so he has the time to write them beforehand. They'd be a bald-headed dream team.
I agree with pretty much everything that Joe says in this video except for when he says that Bruce Jenner becomes a woman. He changed his name to Caitlin but he's not a woman.
@@Gabpt It's somewhere between 2013 and 2015 that this thing went mainstream. If you talked to an average person around 2011 or 2012, everyone would agree there are two genders and you can't magically transform from one to the other.
BennyOcean Yes that was what was suggesting that is we go back just 10 years almost everything was pretty normal but the last 5/6 years it went mad very fast
People shouldn't be afraid to have conversations like this just because they feel that they might be ridiculed, it's ridiculous that we can even have a slightly challenging conversation without being crucified
The few people that I know that idenify themselves genderfluid (or whatever they call themselves) are legit diagnosed by a psychiatrist with a personality disorder (sorry for bad english)
I have 4 older sisters and my dad was on the road a lot. I played a lot of baseball and soccer, basketball... hockey. I also played dolls with my sisters sometimes (Ken doll lol) and at no point did that make me a girl. My wife played soccer and rugby and was referred to as a Tomboy. In 2021 we'd both be pushed down some gender fluid path b.s. confused as fudge.
Same thing for me. Had a sister and nothing but female cousin my whole youth. You can imagine how many girly things I did, and we’ll nothing happened. Thinking that because you enjoy playing with dolls or putting on Make-up isn’t only highly sexist, it’s also really childish imo.
The "Thaddeus whatever his name is" interview was insane. The whole interview and the guys idea about gender broke down completely. The interesting thing is that it didn't happen because Rogan was trying to "own" him, or played gotcha or attacked his premise. The guy made his "the sexes don't exist, no one is born a man or woman," and Joe merely asked him to clarify what he was saying, that he didn't know what he meant by that and asked him to expand, and that's when everything went tits-up. *-Debate tip: if your argument falls apart when all you're being asked is to explain the argument you're trying to make, you should either find a different one or never bring it up around anyone with half a brain. He didn't even get to the point of defending the argument, just to explain what it was.
@CrazyStacey1970 What do you mean? You already said what they are. They're hermaphrodites. An anomaly, not some third gender. And only one of the sex organs function in a hermaphrodite, not both.
CrazyStacey1970 that’s a mutation. A combination of both genders. Nothing new. No third gender and definitely not an identity. We are a binary species, and believing otherwise just makes you kind of gullible.
The true delusion is that children can "be left to make their own conclusions". People learn from other people. That's how we work. If you aren't actively teaching and training your children, somebody else is.
The thing is children want love and see that they get more of it when they behave in ways their feminist mother wants. Only years later after low self esteem will they realise. The mental health crisis among boys is already over the top
There is a perfect Hitchens quote that I try to live by: “Don’t take refuge in the false security of consensus.” Just because everyone repeats the same talking points doesn’t make them any more truthful or accurate.
@@mosslinden5058 I've seen videos of gender fluid people saying something exactly along those lines, like today I identify as a man because I feel tough, tomorrow I may identify as a woman because I want to wear a dress. I can't find the video anymore, otherwise Id link it. What do you think is the argumentation why someone feels like a man today and a woman tomorrow?
@@JoBT42 frankly, I don't understand it whatsoever, as I do not have gender dysphoria of any kind. It's classified as a type of OCD, so perhaps it just comes and goes just like regular OCD does for some people. I just wish people (mostly leftists) would acknowledge it as the mental disorder that it is, and stop trying to normalize it as a behavior that doesn't require treatment.
There's one very important male-female trangender issue that''s complety overlooked, in my opinion. I believe many men really struggle to be a strong, masculine male in this world. I believe transitioning is a way out.
Schizophrenia: I hear voices! Regular person: They're not real. Gender dysphoria: Im a woman in a mans body! Regular person: Hmmm... Yeah that makes sense, I think you're right.
The neurological scans of trans individuals shows that their brains are more like their chosen gender, before transitioning begins. Their brain structure is somewhere in the middle of both sexes; however there are leanings toward their chosen gender that become more pronounced after hormonal therapy. The overarching question is are we our bodies or are we our brains or some kind of combination of both? www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/
I'm SO happy that people with the perspective of these two are finally comfortable & feeling safe to express their opinions about gender ID, sexuality, mental health. The attacks endured by the opinions that lean conservative are disgusting & liberals, rights & progressives attacking & claiming a group are scary stupid. To pass classes & be able to get degrees.... Schools are either fudging grades due to pure desperation of losing funding or someone is laughing to the bank with wads of cash from cheat sheets.
As a gay man I connected with one of the ideas put forward which was that these children are likely to just grow up gay. I've always felt a little unaligned with some of the trans community's positions - especially involving children - but I struggle to really find ways to disagree with the ideology without being collectively shamed. LGB people are collectively pressured - explicitly and implicitly - to 'side' with the trans community, any opposition is read down as cis privilege, patriarchal and/or hateful, which is just totally absurd because the concern is certainly not coming from a place of wanting to oppress anyone. I really do feel like parts of the community at this point have been legitimately hijacked.
Just as any other major community on the globe, it's all compromised by crazy people that want to ruin or change everything under the false pretense of "compassion". The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I agree with these kids actually being Gay and for some reason, the lack Parental acceptance or self acceptance of their Sexuality, they take a path that flips it to Heterosexuality. I'm fine with openly disagreeing with People on this matter, especially with straight, white, liberal, women, who couldn't find their asshole with a funnel if their life depended on it.
You gotta stop being afraid of people labeling you phobic for asking questions. Because people are going to label you something else if you DONT ask the questions. You lose either way. So you might as well ask what you want to ask and find truth. REAL truth, and just forget the rest. You will never please everyone
"gender fluid" in my day was just someone playing around with their style, dressing differently, acting differently, having fun pretending to be someone else. They didn't actually believe they were not men or women. What has happened? Never thought the 80s would be considered normal.
They don’t understand the concept of emotions. When you feel more feminine or more masculine through the day it’s most likely emotionally driven, based on like you said a chemical imbalance at best and a mental disorder at worst.
I’m generally left leaning on most social issues, I believe homosexuality is a real thing and something in their brains simply makes them attracted to their own sex, but I will NEVER accept the idea of being transgender or gender fluid. Just because you FEEL like you’re of the wrong sex doesn’t mean you can go around pretending to be something else. I have yet to hear a good argument for it and once I do I will gladly accept the concept of being transgender. It’s like feeling like I should be Asian then I go around and change my last name to Nguyen and talk in an Asian accent, people would look at me strangely and I don’t see how gender is any different.
Exactly. For me I'm all for someone to do whatever the fuck they want on their personal time. BUT once they start preaching and social lynching people for questioning their beliefs and enforcing them onto innocent children, THAT'S when I have a massive problem with the trans movement.
kevin15776 she doesn’t use her nasal cavity only to talk... unlike every woman in my home state of California. I can’t stand listening to ‘valley girls’ talk... I want to rip my ears off.
If you support people "being transgender", you support gender roles. Identifying as another gender means that you think that men and women think, behave, and act differently.
Gary Flores Ask your teacher why-with certain species of bears, female bears always stay with the cubs and the fathers never do. Ask if that’s a “social construct” or if it’s in their biology to do so. Ask why male babies are drawn to certain toys and female babies are drawn to other toys; ask how that’s possible if the “social aspect” of gender has not yet been able to be “ingrained” in their personality. Tell your teacher they’re wrong and that science/biology says otherwise. I’m not kidding. You should call out your teacher. That’s fucking disgraceful. You should bring some research to class and present it to your teacher.
But they are different their are studies that show that a male brain and a female brains are different. You can even see this on the surface like how men when confronted with a problem from another person try to fix it and women will hear them out strictly emotionally.
My wife grew up playing with dolls and was girly AF (according to her parents) she then became a veterinarian. She also said that playing with dolls and animal toys led her to her interest in veterinary medicine. Her parents are super rural, vegetable and fruit farmers, blue collar people, they actually pushed her to get dirty, help on the farm etc. her dad would laugh as he talked about her saying that she would literally be like “no daddy, my hands will get yucky, my dress will get yucky”
“Inflating” is a great way of putting it, its come to the point where some trans women look down on natural women and call is “cys scum”. Things are out of balance and out of whack.
It's because Transexuals go the extreme to be feminine in order to compensate for not being a biological female. They put more in to their makeup and appearance than many women do, so it makes them feel better to look down on "average" women. This is all driven by sexual culture. These transexuals are vying for many of the same men that the women are, so it's competition.
No, find me some trans women who look down on cis woman and are trying to gain power over them, there are none. Most trans people just want to be fucking left alone and not be the targets of harassment and also have the respect granted to them that is granted by default to any other group of people
DIVISIONINCISION what??? There are plenty of cus woman who use more make up than trans women, as well as trans women who don’t wear any makeup. So please what is your point? I mean I’ve heard them all before but you just sound like a crazy person
bad bad mc bad when you say demand acceptance all that usually means is asking people not to be openly transphobic. So what is wrong with that exactly? I’m honestly laughing at the fact that you think that comment is somehow expressive of reality
bad bad mc bad “yeah I don’t really want to be the target of harassment and want my identity to be respected” that sounds to me like something pretty reasonable for anyone to ask and is usually exhibited to most people by default already. Now stop and ask yourself why you think trans people wanting to have the same protections and to be treated with the same respect granted to every other group of people is somehow them demanding acceptance, then you’ve got a long road to reality ahead of you
Where can I find the full podcast with her? The link under the video does not work with me at all. And, I looked it up and can't find the full clip. Was it deleted for some reason? Please someone help
Joe has an advantage Hollywood type people don't have. They know if they ever want get movie roles from the far left directors and producers who run Hollywood, they have to toe the left wing line. Rogan doesn't have that problem. All he has to do is make sure he doesn't go so conservative that RUclips starts to undermine him.
(1:57) To the point where: 1- Grade school teachers are instructed to withhold a child's differing gender identity from parents. And 2- In the US depending on the state, your child can be taken from their home if the parents refuse to acknowledge that child's alternative gender identity.
Part of being progressive and open minded is to identify concepts that are extreme and calling them out and moving on. Being progressive is not accepting everything blindly.
@@KhaoticFrosty A liberal and progressive leftist are two very different things. Anyone slightly right of a progressive leftist are deemed as alt-right Nazis. I'm quite liberal but have been called Nazi right winger many many times by these morons.
I’m trans-class, meaning despite what my bank account may say, I belong to the 1% of the 1% wealthy elite. Now fetch me my yacht and some butter croissants peasants.
Your self categorised social status says this but your biology doesn't, and I'm assuming by the wit of your comment you fall short of the necessary inbreeding to be part of the 1 percenters,
I’m a fucking giraffe. And if you say I’m not? You’re hateful! Wait…it’s fluid. Now I’m an alligator! And alligators bite. So if you have a problem with me biting you? You’re hateful!
Yes, Bill Nye has an undergrad degree in mech engineering. However, he no longer works in the field and hasn't in many years. He left it a long time ago to pursue a television career. "The Science Guy" is a character he came up with-- he's fiction. When he plays the part, he is doing so as an actor, not a scientist. When he talks about things like climate change and human sexuality, he's not doing so as an authority in these areas-- he isn't an expert on these topics. He's a media figure, not a researcher. Rogan and his guest are correct in describing him as such.
Thank you, I've never seen his show but you can't discredit what someone's say just because he's not a scientist. Not when he's quoting the science and working in collaboration with scientists. He's just the face of something.
AiguilleVoodoo If you haven't seen his shows, then there isn't much point to commenting. Recent episodes, particularly the one about gender as a spectrum, have shown a leaning towards progressive ideology rather than science. When a show is peddling pseudoscience, then it's relevant to point out that the information given isn't real science and its host is a character and not actually an expert. It's all part of critical analysis.
Leaning towards a progressive ideology?... I am a progressive for sure but as a logical individual, I do not deny the science when it comes to this issue. I mean, do what you want to do and feel however you want, but that doesn't mean you can magically change the gender you were born with. Labeling all progressives as being science deniers is as logical as labeling all conservatives as being nazis, know what I'm sayin?
"I am a progressive... but." Whenever there's a "but," it indicates that whatever comes after it will contradict what came before. Gender theory has been espoused by mainstream progressive activists, politicians and public figures like Nye. That you don't personally believe it, just means that you aren't in lockstep with them on this issue. However, it is still progressive doctrine. This is fine. Most people don't support their political "side" 100% on every issue. It's more about percentages. Also, to be fair, I think Rogan raises a good point in the podcast, which is that both sides of the political divide practice "selective" science acceptance.
All of the comments here seem to be interchanging the 2. Im very confused. Isnt there only 2 sexes, male and female, and then "infinite", or so they say, genders?
@@madnessman1520 Only people who say that shit are followers of Ben shapiro. His arguments are driven purely for religious reasons and these dumb ass sheep's are following him like he's stating facts when in reality he's just a sad little jew trying to stay relevant.
@@antibull4869 No, no it's not... Asking for a percentage if impact on something unprecedented is absurd. it'd be like asking what percentage did the Beatles have on rock and roll in 2020... Well there's a lot of variables. They are %100 responsible in one way, and %0 in another. Some bands may not even like The Beatles but are inspired by a band who was...So what is it? %33, %50? you can't put a percentage on this.
I’m fine with calling someone by different pronouns (within reason) and I’m fine with them deciding to take hormones or have surgery to change their body. Not necessarily because I believe all of them were “born in the wrong body” I do it because I believe every adult should have the freedom to do whatever they like (within reason) and if that’s what they want to do to be happy and I can help them live their freedom by saying he instead of she I’m all for it. But where I draw the line is when children become involved. Children are so so incredibly influenced by their surroundings and can change their mind about something in a heart beat. They are vulnerable and should never be put on something that will permanently affect their body for the rest of their lives unless it is a life dependent reason and should not be taught anything beyond proven true biological facts by anyone but their parents and even then anytime before 5/6 grade when kids start experiencing puberty is ridiculous and just not essential for a child’s well being.
Lol no it’s the dictatorship from these crazy fools, they chastise you for having an opinion and label you as “transphobic” eventhough they don’t like labels
This conversation opened the door to understanding how much we need the mixture of science and spirituality. The break away that happened centuries ago needs to heal and come back. We would better understand all the confusion that we are feeling.
I identify as Michael Jackson. My pronouns are "He/Heeeeee".
This is an amazing comment
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Shi SHIMONA!
@@braydo525 deserved more likes for sure.
😂😂😂😂😂
"Woman for 6 months and wins woman of the year"
LMAO
And they said Men wouldnt win everything after they had a sex change
THIS HAS HAPPENED IN BRAZIL. THIS HAAAS HAPPENED IN BRAZIL!!!!!!!!
I won't mention the name of the freak shit. Refuse to advertise for that disgusting HIM.
Its funny how it basically is saying men can be better women than women
like those rankings mean anything
@@johnpliskin8759 they ABSOLUTELY do. It means it's what illuminatti/globalists/whatever you wanna call 'em are pushing and force feeding as "beautiful", "valuable", "acceptable". That joke of the "woman for 6 months and wins woman of the year" actually DID happen in my country last year - maybe HE was a fucking transvestite for longer - point being is that thing even still has its ballsack (and let 'escape' the disgusting miniskirt in one of the shows of that freak) but nonetheless the red media (99% of the media) selected it as the woman of the year. The 'world' is _not_ crazy. It's just fine. Crazy are the poor useful idiots and slaves of the left/globalism.
I want to be accepting, I want to not have bigoted views.
But when someone accused me of being transphobic because I said I wouldn’t sleep with a person who was biologically born a man, I really lost the plot.
The lady was claiming that you don’t see her as a “real” woman, and I said she’s not. Then I was viewed as Hitler from that point on.
Seriously, what is the world coming to. Are we helping people find their true self or exacerbating mental health issues.
I tend to not want to step on people's toes either, but these days I've also lost the plot a little. When the progressive types go after stuff like my sexuality being straight, and my preferences in women that I like, that's when I knew that mental illness is being propped up more and more now, without a care in the world.
I’m sad that’s what’s being pushed. I totally understand, it’s not phobic to not have attraction. You gotta be a little extra to want to hook up with me, I’m like a different category of woman that kept her penis… so that’s kinda weird if a guy wants a vagina. I can’t blame anyone who can’t cross that line. Plenty of dudes do, some have wives and are like 95% straight. I’m a woman* but I don’t expect everyone wants me, that’s illogical even for a biological female.
@@brookeconroy6466 You are a man, and any man who has sex with you is a homosexual.
Its not the world, its just the western world......
@@SensitiveRUclipsCensorship a good and important point
I just broke up with a long term off and on relationship because I didn’t agree with call a biological male a “she” in the privacy of my own life. I did not know this person and would probably never meet this person and she told me I was disrespectful and ignorant. It was absolutely mind blowing to me. Just thought I’d share my story on how insane these topics are and what damage they can cause.
People have the right to transition..but people also have the right to not deny fact.
Sounds like you dodged a bullet
Good for you Shawn! You dodged a bullet
So you’re in the off phase again?😂
If she can’t accept Science and facts she is not a keeper. Especially if she uses your own beliefs against you and throws it in your face and blackmails you emotionally. She can’t have her cake and eat it too.
Goodbye, Jill.
I'm grateful for shows like this that reassure me that I'm not going insane.
That's called living in a bubble. You are misinformed if anything in this video is profound and not anti-science.
@@waitin4winter The only reasonable interpretation of "I'm not going insane" is that you're sympathizing with the two speakers' points of view. If that's not what you meant, the disconnect between what you meant and what you said is your fault.
How long until it gets banned by You Tube?
@@waitin4winter He's insane is what he's saying
@@EnragedTurkey No, he saw an SJWs get owned playlist. He's actually really informed.
I don’t think children should be allowed to physically transition either. Those are irreversible effects.
Lets change your body to match your mental illness. Sounds like a good idea right.
It's a tough one because especially in males, transition after puberty is dangerous and can be fatal. Transgendered people have died, because the hormones and surgeries were too much for their anatomy to handle.
It's a scary game to play with someone else's life, even if its you're own kid. In my opinion, Age 16 should be the MINIMUM age to begin a hormonal transition and you should NEVER be legally allowed to undergo genital reconstructive surgery unless you are over age 18 and can prove you have taken specific psychological therapy's with EXPERTS in transgenderism and transitional surgery.
@@kaylaavirett2256Avirett this is America you don't need a doctor's note.
@@kaylaavirett2256 16 is too young. The body is still developing. A simple search on RUclips will find you a number of Trans people who have channels and even go on pro-trans podcasts who strongly regret their decision. Most say they needed to be treated psychologically rather than surgically. This is especially important to kids who are at the age where they're still growing, yet want to be different by any means.
Next, look at the suicide rates. Then look why they're committing suicide. Hint: It's regret, not being stereotyped.
Where I'm from you need to be 18 or older to get a tattoo. Maybe it should be the same for cutting off your penis.
"What it is is homophobic" she nailed it. As a gay guy, i have felt this way for awhile. Parents seem to rather have a trans girl than a gay son anymore. A shame.
yep. some parents can't imagine their son as a gay man and engage with other guy in the future. but if that son become a "visually looking girl", then he can like boys, since he is a "woman"
Its not, she's not basing her argument in science. She denies that a gender spectrum even exists, even though people like intersex individuals exist.
I agree too. Most gays’ parents (not all) would like a daughter over a gay son. It’s just the male dominated Anglo sphere we live in…
I’m not gay, but my brother is, and I’ve always felt that it’s unfair for you guys. Being gay is just an attraction. It’s perfectly normal. Gender dysphoria is a legit mental illness. Lumping you guys with transgender is just a way to pander to multiple groups at once. I strongly believe the term “LGBTQ+” wasn’t created by a gay person, it was a politician who doesn’t care about gay or trans people, and they certainly don’t care about the opinions of either group, they just want your votes and prefer to pander to both of you guys at once. The same with just calling people “minorities” all at once. My dad is Mexican. My uncle is black. Those are two entirely different cultures, they’re not both “minorities”. These labels are just pandering in my opinion
@@bigpapi6688 Mexicans and blacks are minorities there’s many different minorities not just one. That’s kind of the point of why it’s called minorities in plural or “a” minority (as in one out of many).
Homosexuality strongly parallels mental illness if you want to bring that into the equation. However, data shows it is strongly associated to pre-natal hormonal environment and insufficient testosterone levels in the womb. Hormones (or lack thereof) drive behavior. It can be said gay men have a very specific personality type, that while not a “personality disorder” it strongly parallels it. However, hormonally not psychologically. “Stereotype” gay men tend to exhibit avoidance, grandiosity, self trashing, attachment insecurity, psychopathy and other various psychological conditions and distortions but on very surface-level superficial ways vs. deep rooted psychological deficits and malfunctions.
So, no, it’s not just an attraction. Of course everyone is to be respected but it’s not just that one man is gay and the other isn’t. It’s due to hormonal insufficiency in the pre-natal environment. And as grown adults, both men will present drastically differently personality-wise. You could even call it a third gender, as many cultures the world over have done.
Male way
Female way
Gay way
Gender dysphoria is more closely related to problems with Identity as a whole. Something totally different to hormones and homosexuality and the data that backs that up.
Humans were designed to do one of two things... 1) Give sperm for procreation or 2) Receive sperm for procreation. This means you can either be male or female. It’s really not that complicated.
Ummmmmmmm… gender is different then sex and you’re a big mean transphobic!!!!!
than* I can’t even let a spelling mistake go when I’m pretending to be a liberal
@@MrEvanNoyes I know you’re kidding
Appeal to nature is fucking cringe tbh… it can lead you to really weird conclusions with that philosophy
@@bcs259 The overwhelming majority of your own species, humanity, are straight. Sperm from a biological human male meeting the eggs of a biological female human is how we get other humans. The process is called procreation which enables each and every living species on the planet to continue to survive. It's literally in the word that the process of procreation procreates.
I will dumb it down so you cave people can understand. Male bear meets female bear. They have fun time. Female bear has bear children. Male bear happy. Female bear happy. Bear children grow up big and strong. Bear children have fun time with other local bears. Their female bears have bear children and live happily ever after.
You understand? Me speak cave language. Must communicate, less words. Big words scary.
I am a lesbian and I grew up a tomboy. After hearing all the conversations, I'm glad no one made me transition. That's not who I was. You can't let children decide, you can be compassionate about their feelings but transitioning before 18 is a big no no.
Exactly, I'm actually terrified of that. people raising children as "they"
That’s interesting because it’s extremely likely that if you had been born more recently you would be a trans man
@@Aaron-rd3cd I do shudder at the thought because for a while growing up I thought I must be a boy because I was attracted to girls. Trans ideology is a sign how homophobic our society is even today.
@@Aaron-rd3cd Nah I disagree. Pushing children to identify as trans is a problem, but isn't the norm by any means. This isn't as widespread as they make it seem.
My daughter is a tomboy. She's not thinking about sex, or who she's attracted to yet. I want her to have a chance to grow up.
“In 10 years time they’ll be no men, no women, just wankers” - Renton
🤣🤣
And we on the other hand are colonised by wankers.
Just men of u look what we doing
@@xx7850 try typing that again. This time without having a stroke.
@@tylerdordon99 Top notch quoting here. 👍
"they want the best for their kids" ever hear the saying the road to hell is paved with good intentions? an abuser never tells you im here to abuse you. Never trust someone who talks about how good their intentions are/were.
Everyone has good intentions. Peoples definitions of good are different.
Hitler, Pol Pot, Chairman Mao and Stalin all had good intentions...
@@NotKimiRaikkonen exactly, and once people acknowledge that and become open minded enough to self criticism, then will they see that being tolerant of bullshit like "gender spectrum" and "white privilege" is nothing but an excuse to divide people into boxes and point their finger at something that isn't even the cause of whatever issue they wanna fight for. The government isn't corrupt because of white people, it is corrupt because bad people exist, of ALL races. Identifying as something other than male and/or female (intersex) because you don't fit behaviorally/psychologically entirely as one or the other does not mean you are something new, it just means you have a different combination of masculine/feminine characteristics. So many non issues and distractions, all for bad people to keep us divided and conquered.
I identify as a light switch. My pronouns are "On/Off".
Underrated comment.
I'm so offended
💡💡🔦🔦
Good one
Remember the term "tomboy"? Let's bring that back instead of trying to chemically manipulate children who can't yet think for themselves🙄
The left wont allow it
Exactly! Children are not capable of making such a drastic decision.
We used to call them “butch” or “bull dyke” for the particularly husky ones.
Seriously
I was a massive tomboy from ages 10-13, if I had known what transitioning was I would have told you I was trans. Puberty hit and I stopped being a tomboy to a certain degree, I still like wearing some mens clothes but thats just a comfort thing. These kids are just finding themselves just give them some time to find out who they are!
Joe: “Bill Nye really isn’t a scientist, he’s a...science uhhh..what would you call it?”
Me: “say science guy”
Her: “personality he’s like a media personality”
Me: omg
Joe: “a promoter of science”
Me: “A SCIENCE GUY.”
Lol
hahahahahahaha
Bill's preferred pronoun(?).
Its funny because he isn't a scientist, but the whole "science guy" is like a loophole nobody really noticed.
cant say guy its not gender neutral enough
Grown ups having a grown up conversation without being shouted down. I would like it if Joe flipped the script and got someone in there who was super into transgenderism. I've taken it upon myself to listen to a few of these folks chatting about their lifestyle or who they are and I'm not going to lie... I have some problems with some of what they're saying. That doesn't mean I'm not like 80% supportive, it just means there's just a handful of aspects I just won't/can't embrace.
I have learned they're super touchy about people whom aren't 100% in agreement with their thinking... that for me is always ared flag. Anytime someone is a hundred percent anything and then gives an ultimatum whatever the topic/subject is I can just about guarantee you there's something off
If you think Males and Females are the same then just look at Cows and Bulls. They’re the same animal.
The patients are running the asylum
Make Asylums Great Again
Well done
nice one!!😀
amazingly phrased
You mean conservatives.
This girl’s voice is so calming omg
She ought to make Headspace podcasts or something lol
Did you just assume gender?
Kind of sexy too
Well now that's sexist
She identifies as a gender fluid Siamese Cat, how dare you stereotype Haley T...You think so old fashioned!
Bill Nye isn’t actually a scientist!?!?!?!?
I’ve been lied to!😱
Nope, just a science guy.
I think he is an engineer of some sort 🤷🏼♀️
Joe Rogan is the “science guy?” Dumbass
As a medical professional, whenever an MTF or FTM comes in for the primary care appointment, the MTFs have to take care of their existing prostate issues. When an FTM comes in for their estrogen level check up or to have a PAP test. When those things happen, they learn that their gender is a not a matter of thought, it’s a matter of fact, and they learn REALLY QUICK. I always thought the trans men are so agro because of all the extra testosterone running through their bodies.
If a black man says he thinks he was born or feels like he’s a white man inside people would call him insane y’all should keep it consistent
In the next 5 years I guarantee you you’ll be able to change your race...
Big laff.
I’m stupider than the Guy I’m replying to, but saw it here first bro
@@jebowar6679 *Racism Drops to 0% as everyone identifies as Caucasian*
Look at woahvicky
"Are we indulging crazy people?"
Yes. Yes you are.
@@ts8404
Yes, yes...let's start circling the semantic deconstruction drain and arguing about the definition of crazy.
Trik Stari , because, now, it is suddenly wrong, to just call them crazy. We have to pretend they are normal. As crazy as that is.
@@ralphholiman7401 Worse than that, they expect us to participate in their delusions.
Doctor Duct tape then just don’t participate in it. If a man tries to make me call him a woman I just laugh at him lmao
@@jebalitabb8228 , I just walk away when that happens, because I know mentally unstable people can be dangerous if upset.
When he said Bruce was the Kardashians whipping boy for years when he was the only one in the house with talent 🤣🤣🤣
Those K shows are about emasculating white men and promoting interracial breeding.
This conversation needs to happen every other week. People are nuts ,very touchy on this subject.
It’s amazing that people who say that gender is a cultural construct and believe in science, deny the actual science and then push for a cultural construct of gender fluidity. 🤔
Those who claim gender is not a social construct are often conflating gender with sex; that's the issue. Sex is a biological concept that describes one's bi-modal destitution of reproductive autonomy, while gender is a sociological concept describing social expectations pertaining to masculinity and femininity. Since this is my field of study, I always find it funny how reactionaries on the internet have convinced themselves that gender expectations are somehow biological traits, while ironically accusing others of not understanding biology.
@@ScorpionXII Funny how now, historically, gender and sex are conceived as different things. Such an idea never existed, nor the idea of “social construction”, at least not explicitly. I’m not denying that social construction exists, but to somehow claim that an individual’s identification to a particular gender is somehow a process that is not biological in nature, but PURELY “socio-cultural” is beyond absurd. If gender is a pure social construction, which just means something constructed in the mind, why do people care so much about it? If it’s just an idea, a conception, it is entirely arbitrary and a spontaneous thing. Moreover, if it is a phenomena of the MIND it surely must follow the mechanical/neurological functions of the brain. Social construction sounds like it’s transcendental, like it’s beyond the “brain”. Beyond “human nature”.
People should keep an open mind and test these claims appropriately, instead of blindly accepting them as truth with no questioning whatsoever.
@@1yanyiel When biologists separated gender from sex in the 1970s, they did so with the goal of separating all that which should reasonably be studied in biology from all that which reasonably shouldn't. Gender being defined in science as a set of social expectations pertaining to masculinity and femininity... such as grooming practices, clothing choices, speech patterns, and so on. If you wish to make the argument that dresses and shaved arm pits are a biological trait and not a social construct... you're free to, but the entire scientific field of biology disagrees with you.
Anyways... the issue with reactionaries on this topic is that they have prescriptivist worldviews. The reason why they believe gender and sex are the same thing is because that's what they have prescribed as normal. If Harry Styles wears a dress... he's denying reality; as Candice Owens claimed recently.
@@ScorpionXII Can you at least address my argument. Because I understand what you're saying, I just want to make sure you understand me. I will copy/paste again my main argument.
"If gender is a pure social construction, which just means something constructed in the mind, why do people care so much about it? If it’s just an idea, a conception, it is entirely arbitrary and a spontaneous thing. Moreover, if it is a phenomena of the MIND it surely must follow the mechanical/neurological functions of the brain. Social construction sounds like it’s transcendental, like it’s beyond the “brain”. Beyond “human nature”"
At least from the evolutionary standpoint, everything that you said is correct. In fact, our social nature cannot exist precisely without our biological sub-structure. That includes the possibility of creating social constructions (Which is just culture). BUT, there has been clear studies on how male and female species show different behavioral tendencies in a very "natural" way. Other studies have shown how men's brain differ from women's brain in certain ways. So what biology is saying is that both "masculine" and "feminine" traits already pre-exist within us and pre-determine certain things about our behavior. It is not a "pure" social construction, it comes from a pre-determined biological structure. So here's the take: biology predetermines some "gender-like" behavior on us, and gender social constructs are things that have been conceived by human beings through many cultures through time and it is BASED on those pre-existing behavioral patterns.
It doesn't make any sense either that people naturally, no matter what the socio-cultural background they have, feel a natural attraction identify themselves with a gender in itself. That is exactly the premise behind many parenting nowadays that follow the LGBT community on how to raise their children. Instead of imposing a certain gender, the child will naturally identify with whatever gender during his/her social development. So, with all these arguments laid here, to say that gender is a pure social construction is a very unsophisticated way to look at this, considering how important it is to our "identity" and the very weird/bizarre way it manifests in humans lives.
@@1yanyiel You could use this logic to argue that pizza is a biological reality because humans created it using their natural brains which gave them the requisite sense of taste that gave them the predilection with which to invent it. It's also important to know that this logic is a naturalistic fallacy; the assumption that all that manifests from natural descriptive traits are by definition objective good/true. It's also an is/ought fallacy because you're drawing a conclusion on what ought to be based on what is; that is... sexual characteristics that lead humans to socially construct gender roles.
“Other studies have shown how men's brain differ from women's brain in certain ways”
Untrue... all brains are the same, but they develop differently during hormone washes due to a process biologists call brain feminization.
“So what biology is saying is that both "masculine" and "feminine" traits already pre-exist within us and pre-determine certain things about our behavior”
Yeah just like pizza. Anyways... it seems your naturalistic fallacy is the basis of this entire paragraph so I'm going to skip this.
“It doesn't make any sense either that people naturally, no matter what the socio-cultural background they have, feel a natural attraction identify themselves with a gender in itself”
This argues the exact opposite of what you said earlier.
“That is exactly the premise behind many parenting nowadays that follow the LGBT community on how to raise their children”
Gender provides no real benefit to children; especially considering the fact that the gender roles of “boy/girl” has only been a thing for about 100 years. We used to used to assign the gender role of “boy” to all kids, and “man/woman” were assigned to adults only; this is still the case in some countries. All kids wore dresses and were practically indistinguishable from one/another; this was not a denial of biology, this was merely an example of why gender is an arbitrary social construct.
“Instead of imposing a certain gender, the child will naturally identify with whatever gender during his/her social development”
This is false. Kids naturally identify with whatever social construct that are around them. If that's man/woman, then that's man/woman. Girls behave like girls because every other girl behaves like a girl; it's the same with language. If you're born in Ireland, you're going to have an Irish accent. Capitalism also plays a role in these social construct, since one walk through the toy section at Walmart will give you a sense of how arbitrary gender roles are.
“So, with all these arguments laid here, to say that gender is a pure social construction is a very unsophisticated way to look at this”
It's the most academically accurate and most philosophically consistent way of looking at it.
Me: Today I’m an extremely rich person.
My bank account: Nah stick to genders bruh
There are people out there who REALLY THINK they ARE Sherlock Holmes.
We don't see police forces lining up to ask them to solve crimes....
today i’m a pixie, tomorrow i’m a wood elf
💀
I’m just a caveman. Everyday. Had to stop shaving since all the razor companies started hating men.
@@Thor-Orion okay that was a good one.
When a transgender changes their gender then says that gender isn't a thing.
Omfg that's brilliant 😂
Today, I identify as.....🤔.....a helicopter 🚁
@@Only2GendersCommonSense Nice one joke
OMG, brilliant
Absolutely! What's the point in changing if you're changing from something that doesn't exist to something that doesn't exist? You are exactly right.
Joe Rogan is one of the best interviewers around. He's calm, even, open minded, listens, has great perspective, and has great guests.
Unless the debate is about drugs.
@@Ham77ify You should try DMT
@@VortexMMA_ one episode doesn’t take away from the rest. No one’s perfect and don’t expect them to be
Sean from hot ones bests Joe
@@ryguy891 Sean beats him as an interviewer just because he really works hard to ask the best questions. Hot Ones is a more structured show anyway, so he has the time to write them beforehand. They'd be a bald-headed dream team.
She nailed it with “it’s parents who want to feel special”
Bam Childish parents, playing victim and expecting sympathy.
@@codyeidschun3937crybullies
I agree with pretty much everything that Joe says in this video except for when he says that Bruce Jenner becomes a woman. He changed his name to Caitlin but he's not a woman.
Could you image having this conversation 20 or 30 years ago
michael murphy Even 10
@@Gabpt It's somewhere between 2013 and 2015 that this thing went mainstream. If you talked to an average person around 2011 or 2012, everyone would agree there are two genders and you can't magically transform from one to the other.
BennyOcean Yes that was what was suggesting that is we go back just 10 years almost everything was pretty normal but the last 5/6 years it went mad very fast
They had it... under mental illness
@@BennyOcean it's harder to change your name than your gender
"I think it's parents that want to be special"! Bang! Nailed it!
Makes me think of that Jazz kid’s Momz
Yeah, remember back in 04 when all the parents wanted their child to be autistic so that they could say they were special.
2400dimension no I do not.
@@2400dimension I think Jenny McCarthy is to blame for making it look glamorous
@@BreakfastBananas Spoken like a jedi that's dealing in absolutes.
People shouldn't be afraid to have conversations like this just because they feel that they might be ridiculed, it's ridiculous that we can even have a slightly challenging conversation without being crucified
This conversation solidifies my perspective that we as a species are destined to self destruct.
The few people that I know that idenify themselves genderfluid (or whatever they call themselves) are legit diagnosed by a psychiatrist with a personality disorder (sorry for bad english)
Your English is alright, ffs I feel bad for that type of people tbh
@@Iamrich00 Yeah, they're just lost :/
Age of empires lol
Well they need help, we should not make fun of them not believe their shit
Those people have been decieved.
"Is it just me,
or it is getting crazier out there..?"
Reilpikram 😳
naaaa it has alwars bin carzy out there, in one way or a another
@@MegaDixen It was a quote buddy but yea
@@kingnothing2161 we live in a society
Without a doubt.
I have 4 older sisters and my dad was on the road a lot. I played a lot of baseball and soccer, basketball... hockey. I also played dolls with my sisters sometimes (Ken doll lol) and at no point did that make me a girl. My wife played soccer and rugby and was referred to as a Tomboy. In 2021 we'd both be pushed down some gender fluid path b.s. confused as fudge.
Same thing for me. Had a sister and nothing but female cousin my whole youth. You can imagine how many girly things I did, and we’ll nothing happened. Thinking that because you enjoy playing with dolls or putting on Make-up isn’t only highly sexist, it’s also really childish imo.
@@Moon-lk8uc lol I forgot my 2 cousins Illona and Suzanna were always there too. Childish societal mindset indeed
The "Thaddeus whatever his name is" interview was insane. The whole interview and the guys idea about gender broke down completely. The interesting thing is that it didn't happen because Rogan was trying to "own" him, or played gotcha or attacked his premise. The guy made his "the sexes don't exist, no one is born a man or woman," and Joe merely asked him to clarify what he was saying, that he didn't know what he meant by that and asked him to expand, and that's when everything went tits-up.
*-Debate tip: if your argument falls apart when all you're being asked is to explain the argument you're trying to make, you should either find a different one or never bring it up around anyone with half a brain. He didn't even get to the point of defending the argument, just to explain what it was.
Multi gender? We are living the movie "Idiocracy".
@CrazyStacey1970 What do you mean? You already said what they are. They're hermaphrodites. An anomaly, not some third gender. And only one of the sex organs function in a hermaphrodite, not both.
Her name says it all lol
@@JSpivey91 Word
CrazyStacey1970 that’s a mutation. A combination of both genders. Nothing new. No third gender and definitely not an identity. We are a binary species, and believing otherwise just makes you kind of gullible.
@CrazyStacey1970 what about people with 6 finders or two heads, hmmmmm?
The true delusion is that children can "be left to make their own conclusions". People learn from other people. That's how we work. If you aren't actively teaching and training your children, somebody else is.
It's always BOTH!
And that's BS because you have to be 18 to vote, 21 to drink, 16 to drive etc. The surgery is PERMANENT!!!!
It all depends on the environment they're put into and a number things can be considered here.
The thing is children want love and see that they get more of it when they behave in ways their feminist mother wants.
Only years later after low self esteem will they realise.
The mental health crisis among boys is already over the top
@@davidregi7571 I swear the Democratic Party will make Humans go extinct. They are so self-destructive.
I’m keeping my last two marbles damn it! 🤣
There is a perfect Hitchens quote that I try to live by: “Don’t take refuge in the false security of consensus.” Just because everyone repeats the same talking points doesn’t make them any more truthful or accurate.
Everyone is a mix of masculine and feminine that doesn’t mean we are a mix of male and female! Ffs.
Ffs?
@@GroupConglomerate It means "For fucks sake".
I don't think anyone is arguing that. There is a difference between sex and gender.
@@mosslinden5058 I've seen videos of gender fluid people saying something exactly along those lines, like today I identify as a man because I feel tough, tomorrow I may identify as a woman because I want to wear a dress. I can't find the video anymore, otherwise Id link it. What do you think is the argumentation why someone feels like a man today and a woman tomorrow?
@@JoBT42 frankly, I don't understand it whatsoever, as I do not have gender dysphoria of any kind. It's classified as a type of OCD, so perhaps it just comes and goes just like regular OCD does for some people. I just wish people (mostly leftists) would acknowledge it as the mental disorder that it is, and stop trying to normalize it as a behavior that doesn't require treatment.
- “Excuse me, where is the nearest bathroom?”
- “Gender fluid?”
- “Yes. There will be a lot of that.”
Family Guy
Shouldn't the Dr.or nurse when asked the babies gender reply it's unknown.,LOL
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There's one very important male-female trangender issue that''s complety overlooked, in my opinion. I believe many men really struggle to be a strong, masculine male in this world. I believe transitioning is a way out.
"Bill Nye isn't actually a scientist. Anyway, here's my opinion on science."
Schizophrenia:
I hear voices!
Regular person:
They're not real.
Gender dysphoria:
Im a woman in a mans body!
Regular person:
Hmmm... Yeah that makes sense, I think you're right.
The neurological scans of trans individuals shows that their brains are more like their chosen gender, before transitioning begins. Their brain structure is somewhere in the middle of both sexes; however there are leanings toward their chosen gender that become more pronounced after hormonal therapy. The overarching question is are we our bodies or are we our brains or some kind of combination of both?
www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/
@@zwbruno90 So your saying it's a disorder.
Jeffrey Warren no, I’m saying their brain physiology & chemistry are more like the sex they identify as
@@zwbruno90 So I need a brain scan to tell my gender?
I'm thinking that mental illnesses will die out, we will see it as a part of them and celebrate it...now that's a scary world to live in
labels make people feel special
Hyper labeling of society
You misspelled suicidal.
My daddy told this about experts. "experts can always be counted on to say whatever you pay them to say"
Why would someone who says there’s no difference between a man and a woman go through all the hassle to change their gender
I will not sacrifice truth just to make someone feel happy.
Joe "today I'm a pixie, tomorrow I'm a woodelf" Rogan
Even though I’m 5’4 I feel 6’8 today. Tomorrow I think I’ll be 3’11
lmao
@Adam Smith And here I thought you were a great economist
I feel like a 6'8 pixie that plays basketball with a tutu.
I identify as a non-taxable entity
16:29 "I would like to live in a world where there's no racism at all, so you could mock everyone equally"
I'm SO happy that people with the perspective of these two are finally comfortable & feeling safe to express their opinions about gender ID, sexuality, mental health. The attacks endured by the opinions that lean conservative are disgusting & liberals, rights & progressives attacking & claiming a group are scary stupid. To pass classes & be able to get degrees.... Schools are either fudging grades due to pure desperation of losing funding or someone is laughing to the bank with wads of cash from cheat sheets.
As a gay man I connected with one of the ideas put forward which was that these children are likely to just grow up gay. I've always felt a little unaligned with some of the trans community's positions - especially involving children - but I struggle to really find ways to disagree with the ideology without being collectively shamed. LGB people are collectively pressured - explicitly and implicitly - to 'side' with the trans community, any opposition is read down as cis privilege, patriarchal and/or hateful, which is just totally absurd because the concern is certainly not coming from a place of wanting to oppress anyone. I really do feel like parts of the community at this point have been legitimately hijacked.
Just as any other major community on the globe, it's all compromised by crazy people that want to ruin or change everything under the false pretense of "compassion".
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I agree with these kids actually being Gay and for some reason, the lack Parental acceptance or self acceptance of their Sexuality, they take a path that flips it to Heterosexuality.
I'm fine with openly disagreeing with People on this matter, especially with straight, white, liberal, women, who couldn't find their asshole with a funnel if their life depended on it.
Do you follow Gays Against Groomers now?
Caitlyn Jenner getting the Woman of the Year award tells me that men are better at being women than women.
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Bros will always beat women in competition just look at how we are pushing TERFs out of feminism hahah do one ladies the boys are back in town
Lmao!
Bruce killed someone, become a woman and became woman of the year in what 6 months. And nobody mentions the killing now he’s a she.
The Pondering bruce is pretty republican in politics.
He was also the first woman on the wheaties box.
You gotta stop being afraid of people labeling you phobic for asking questions. Because people are going to label you something else if you DONT ask the questions. You lose either way. So you might as well ask what you want to ask and find truth. REAL truth, and just forget the rest. You will never please everyone
I thought bill nye had a bachelor’s in mechanical engineering? Close enough to a scientist to me lmao
"gender fluid" in my day was just someone playing around with their style, dressing differently, acting differently, having fun pretending to be someone else. They didn't actually believe they were not men or women. What has happened? Never thought the 80s would be considered normal.
You don’t know the difference between sex and gender.
A gender fluid person who change gender daily, has a chemical imbalance at best, have mental disorders at worst.
They don’t understand the concept of emotions. When you feel more feminine or more masculine through the day it’s most likely emotionally driven, based on like you said a chemical imbalance at best and a mental disorder at worst.
It’s called liberalism or leftism
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Today, I identify as.....🤔.....a helicopter 🚁
br 1251 ... then you should be at the “chop” .... eey see what I did there
I’m generally left leaning on most social issues, I believe homosexuality is a real thing and something in their brains simply makes them attracted to their own sex, but I will NEVER accept the idea of being transgender or gender fluid. Just because you FEEL like you’re of the wrong sex doesn’t mean you can go around pretending to be something else. I have yet to hear a good argument for it and once I do I will gladly accept the concept of being transgender. It’s like feeling like I should be Asian then I go around and change my last name to Nguyen and talk in an Asian accent, people would look at me strangely and I don’t see how gender is any different.
Exactly. For me I'm all for someone to do whatever the fuck they want on their personal time. BUT once they start preaching and social lynching people for questioning their beliefs and enforcing them onto innocent children, THAT'S when I have a massive problem with the trans movement.
"No one is 100% one way or another"
She obviously hasn't seen Jocko...
The man has an atmosphere of testosterone wherever he walks.
I love when she says "mmhmmm". I could listen to her voice all day.
Simp
kevin15776 she doesn’t use her nasal cavity only to talk... unlike every woman in my home state of California. I can’t stand listening to ‘valley girls’ talk... I want to rip my ears off.
@@gavinsilva3919 c'mon, let him have his moment
What are you banging on about lmao
@@gavinsilva3919
Dumb ass.
If you support people "being transgender", you support gender roles. Identifying as another gender means that you think that men and women think, behave, and act differently.
They say it's a social construct, but I tend to think this is a natural result of evolution, and can be seen through the world.
In my sociology class they teach gender is a social construct and sex is biological
Gary Flores Ask your teacher why-with certain species of bears, female bears always stay with the cubs and the fathers never do. Ask if that’s a “social construct” or if it’s in their biology to do so.
Ask why male babies are drawn to certain toys and female babies are drawn to other toys; ask how that’s possible if the “social aspect” of gender has not yet been able to be “ingrained” in their personality.
Tell your teacher they’re wrong and that science/biology says otherwise.
I’m not kidding. You should call out your teacher. That’s fucking disgraceful.
You should bring some research to class and present it to your teacher.
Gary Flores demand a refund
But they are different their are studies that show that a male brain and a female brains are different. You can even see this on the surface like how men when confronted with a problem from another person try to fix it and women will hear them out strictly emotionally.
My wife grew up playing with dolls and was girly AF (according to her parents) she then became a veterinarian. She also said that playing with dolls and animal toys led her to her interest in veterinary medicine. Her parents are super rural, vegetable and fruit farmers, blue collar people, they actually pushed her to get dirty, help on the farm etc. her dad would laugh as he talked about her saying that she would literally be like “no daddy, my hands will get yucky, my dress will get yucky”
The original full length video is not available anymore. Good thing I predicted this when it came and already downloaded the video
So glad RUclips hasn't removed this little gem.
Sucks they removed whole podcast
@@xtremecreationspoolspa6406
Whats her name? Is it available on Spotify?
“Inflating” is a great way of putting it, its come to the point where some trans women look down on natural women and call is “cys scum”. Things are out of balance and out of whack.
It's because Transexuals go the extreme to be feminine in order to compensate for not being a biological female. They put more in to their makeup and appearance than many women do, so it makes them feel better to look down on "average" women. This is all driven by sexual culture. These transexuals are vying for many of the same men that the women are, so it's competition.
No, find me some trans women who look down on cis woman and are trying to gain power over them, there are none. Most trans people just want to be fucking left alone and not be the targets of harassment and also have the respect granted to them that is granted by default to any other group of people
DIVISIONINCISION what??? There are plenty of cus woman who use more make up than trans women, as well as trans women who don’t wear any makeup. So please what is your point? I mean I’ve heard them all before but you just sound like a crazy person
bad bad mc bad when you say demand acceptance all that usually means is asking people not to be openly transphobic. So what is wrong with that exactly? I’m honestly laughing at the fact that you think that comment is somehow expressive of reality
bad bad mc bad “yeah I don’t really want to be the target of harassment and want my identity to be respected” that sounds to me like something pretty reasonable for anyone to ask and is usually exhibited to most people by default already. Now stop and ask yourself why you think trans people wanting to have the same protections and to be treated with the same respect granted to every other group of people is somehow them demanding acceptance, then you’ve got a long road to reality ahead of you
“Is your dog gender fluid?” I lost it😂
4:59
Little did he know 4years later people identify as pixies and elf's xD
"Gender Fluid?" "Yes there will be a lot of it." -Family Guy
Gryphon that’s great
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Lol what ep whas thst
@@nomorebs3626 It was the one about SJWs and it is spot on, as with all of Seth's target acquisitions.
@@gryphon9507 thnx
Male to Female and Back Again. A Tale by J.R.R. Tolkien.
Frank Mauri How binary. There are at least Silmarillion genders.
Man in the Moon Touché😏
Seems more something grr Martin would write
Hahaha
@@andyisabeast7782 tweet it and see if that fat hairy burrito takes the bait.
Where can I find the full podcast with her? The link under the video does not work with me at all. And, I looked it up and can't find the full clip. Was it deleted for some reason? Please someone help
Once again Joe is spot on. Nice to hear someone famous that hasn’t lost their shit.
Not even a joke, he seems like a very down to Earth guy.
@@spacecowboy1438 I wanna fuck him too.
It's funny that nowadays we give praise to liberals for simply accepting reality.
@@tastybritches6644 Fuck me instead
Joe has an advantage Hollywood type people don't have. They know if they ever want get movie roles from the far left directors and producers who run Hollywood, they have to toe the left wing line. Rogan doesn't have that problem. All he has to do is make sure he doesn't go so conservative that RUclips starts to undermine him.
I’m grateful for good real conversations
that can’t be censored by fear of the media.
No censored yet.....
If you're Peter, then you're Wendy, that's multiple personalities. There's already a term for that.
(1:57) To the point where: 1- Grade school teachers are instructed to withhold a child's differing gender identity from parents. And 2- In the US depending on the state, your child can be taken from their home if the parents refuse to acknowledge that child's alternative gender identity.
Part of being progressive and open minded is to identify concepts that are extreme and calling them out and moving on. Being progressive is not accepting everything blindly.
But you can't be so open minded that your brain falls out.
I thought that's what liberal meant. And that progressive meant that you want extreme change from the status quo.
roman maslovskiy progressive now means dismantling societal norms whether beneficial or not
Progressive historically has been another name for Socialist. So no wonder you get that kind of wacky shit.
@@KhaoticFrosty A liberal and progressive leftist are two very different things. Anyone slightly right of a progressive leftist are deemed as alt-right Nazis. I'm quite liberal but have been called Nazi right winger many many times by these morons.
I’m trans-class, meaning despite what my bank account may say, I belong to the 1% of the 1% wealthy elite. Now fetch me my yacht and some butter croissants peasants.
Your self categorised social status says this but your biology doesn't, and I'm assuming by the wit of your comment you fall short of the necessary inbreeding to be part of the 1 percenters,
@@Kw-sv2mo damn you didn't have to do this human being like that(gotta be gender neutral)
@@458hot3 what?
I'm 100% niggga
@@hatoftricks7132 no one cares but you.
I’m a fucking giraffe. And if you say I’m not? You’re hateful! Wait…it’s fluid. Now I’m an alligator! And alligators bite. So if you have a problem with me biting you? You’re hateful!
In my day we collectively grew long hair to announce our fluidity.
Yes, Bill Nye has an undergrad degree in mech engineering. However, he no longer works in the field and hasn't in many years. He left it a long time ago to pursue a television career. "The Science Guy" is a character he came up with-- he's fiction. When he plays the part, he is doing so as an actor, not a scientist. When he talks about things like climate change and human sexuality, he's not doing so as an authority in these areas-- he isn't an expert on these topics. He's a media figure, not a researcher. Rogan and his guest are correct in describing him as such.
Thank you, I've never seen his show but you can't discredit what someone's say just because he's not a scientist. Not when he's quoting the science and working in collaboration with scientists. He's just the face of something.
AiguilleVoodoo If you haven't seen his shows, then there isn't much point to commenting. Recent episodes, particularly the one about gender as a spectrum, have shown a leaning towards progressive ideology rather than science. When a show is peddling pseudoscience, then it's relevant to point out that the information given isn't real science and its host is a character and not actually an expert. It's all part of critical analysis.
Leaning towards a progressive ideology?... I am a progressive for sure but as a logical individual, I do not deny the science when it comes to this issue. I mean, do what you want to do and feel however you want, but that doesn't mean you can magically change the gender you were born with. Labeling all progressives as being science deniers is as logical as labeling all conservatives as being nazis, know what I'm sayin?
"I am a progressive... but." Whenever there's a "but," it indicates that whatever comes after it will contradict what came before. Gender theory has been espoused by mainstream progressive activists, politicians and public figures like Nye. That you don't personally believe it, just means that you aren't in lockstep with them on this issue. However, it is still progressive doctrine. This is fine. Most people don't support their political "side" 100% on every issue. It's more about percentages. Also, to be fair, I think Rogan raises a good point in the podcast, which is that both sides of the political divide practice "selective" science acceptance.
Tooth Decay well said
The guest's name is Dr. Debra Soh
Thanks!
Powerful comment
thank you. couldn't"t find that anywhere.
Thanks
Joe Gallagher click the link in the description lol
I'm progressive...I don't believe in bs. Stop dividing people.
People can't seem to grasp the difference between sex and gender.
All of the comments here seem to be interchanging the 2. Im very confused. Isnt there only 2 sexes, male and female, and then "infinite", or so they say, genders?
This conversation came so close to getting to the core issue of physical characteristics vs personality characteristics.
I love what Deny said; "I think parents want to be special."
Every time I go to KFC I identify as black so I do not make any of the patrons uncomfortable
I identify as a dog. My pronouns are “woof” and “grrr”.
Genetics don't care about your feelings.
Fuck off with your jew agenda.
@@GoodayBrah what TF do you mean Jew agenda
@@madnessman1520 Only people who say that shit are followers of Ben shapiro. His arguments are driven purely for religious reasons and these dumb ass sheep's are following him like he's stating facts when in reality he's just a sad little jew trying to stay relevant.
@@GoodayBrah Name a few instances where he points to the Bible or the torah to back up his argument, I know you can't because he doesn't
@@Yuki-bk2my Clearly not done your research. Don't come here stating shit when you've barely considered doing the research you're questioning. Idiot.
“What percentage?” That’s such a Jordan Peterson reply.
Thats cause its a smart thing to say😂
Jordan is Rogan’s Therapist
@@antibull4869 No, no it's not... Asking for a percentage if impact on something unprecedented is absurd. it'd be like asking what percentage did the Beatles have on rock and roll in 2020... Well there's a lot of variables. They are %100 responsible in one way, and %0 in another. Some bands may not even like The Beatles but are inspired by a band who was...So what is it? %33, %50? you can't put a percentage on this.
Steve D what the fuck are you talking about
@@steved8714 tf u on bruh
I’m fine with calling someone by different pronouns (within reason) and I’m fine with them deciding to take hormones or have surgery to change their body. Not necessarily because I believe all of them were “born in the wrong body” I do it because I believe every adult should have the freedom to do whatever they like (within reason) and if that’s what they want to do to be happy and I can help them live their freedom by saying he instead of she I’m all for it. But where I draw the line is when children become involved. Children are so so incredibly influenced by their surroundings and can change their mind about something in a heart beat. They are vulnerable and should never be put on something that will permanently affect their body for the rest of their lives unless it is a life dependent reason and should not be taught anything beyond proven true biological facts by anyone but their parents and even then anytime before 5/6 grade when kids start experiencing puberty is ridiculous and just not essential for a child’s well being.
I identify as a billionaire. I need the decimal point moved in my bank account.
“ if we’re talking anything else you’d be f-ing crazy “ BAM ! there it is !!
12:07 "I could be accused of being transphobic for asking"
That foreshadowing tho
Lol no it’s the dictatorship from these crazy fools, they chastise you for having an opinion and label you as “transphobic” eventhough they don’t like labels
@@clementeen couldn't agree more
joe rogan is transphobic lmao dont have to watch this video to know that
@@user-qv9wq8vh9c ah shut the fuck up Tyler. God you and your type are the most toxic people on the Earth. Do us a favor and fuck all the way off.
"I'm not gonna go out like Bruce Jenner" 🤣🤣🤣
This conversation opened the door to understanding how much we need the mixture of science and spirituality. The break away that happened centuries ago needs to heal and come back. We would better understand all the confusion that we are feeling.
He joked about being a pixie or a wood elf that gave me flashbacks to the internet's "kin" phase. Elf-kin, wolf-kin, viking-kin, bird-kin... hilarious