Making a 5 Speed Crown Vic Transmission Install Day Plus Wiring Part 3
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Most all credit for this swap goes to @p71c1 @bpbuilds and @neverendingcarproject Special thanks also to @bstfordchannel923 and @PanzerPlatform
Give this man his roses!!! Thank you so much for this informative wiring process!
My pleasure!
It's cool to see you teaching your son to drive stick. Brings me back to my dad teaching me in our old bug.
Thank you Lego. He literally had to figure this out. A true crash course if you will. We swapped the transmission on a Saturday and he had to drive it to school on Monday. Hills and all lol. He is a true professional at it now. When you ride with him it's smooth and flawless and just sounds good.
For me as a german and long years manual transmission driver it's so crazy to see you guys change the automatic transmissions...i was glad to drive automatic hahaha - but i see it seems to be a cool thing with crown vics
I could totally see this being the case. Thanks for checking it out!
Three pedals is the way to go. Awesome stuff!
Agreed! Thanks FRC
The reason for having to jump those two wires for the speed signal is this. On newer vic's with a turbine speed signal (not for sure on year but I think 05 and up) the computer uses the turbine speed signal and compares it to the vss or output speed sensor. It wants to see the two signals match somewhat closely. If it sees too much of a difference it thinks the transmission is slipping and it will either greatly reduce power or shutoff to prevent transmission damage. Jumping those two wires together it will see both signals as identical and this fools the computer into thinking everything is just fine.
That might be the best explanation I've ever seen anyone give for that wiring mod and it's necessity. Thanks for the info tumbleweed.
@@PNW_Car_Mods Glad to help!
So mines running rich and and trans speed sensor code pops up as well so if I do that wire trick would it work? Lol my transmission is brand new the guy already replaced that sensor
@@Macksmadvic What transmission are you running Mack?
@@PNW_Car_Mods I’m not even sure rn I’ll look around at it when I go out there but I assume it’s the engine wire harness cuz it’s feeding false codes to my cpu so that’s what we’ve come too
The fork should have a return spring.Nice job on the swap I watched way back when you 1st got car.
Ramman! long time no see. Glad you're still here.
Sweet I'm doing my manual swap on an 03 Grand Marquis right now but I'm using a Ford performance billet steel flywheel with an exedy stage 2 clutch with a tr3650
Nice job Neil. That should be enough clutch to throw anything you want at it in the future. Well until the trans blows up lol.
This car is so much cleaner than mine.
I wish cars looked like this where I live.
If u ever wanna trade let me know :)
BP where you been brother? Long time. Yeah cars don't rust nearly has bad around here like yall have to deal with. I could never live in the rust belt.
Man, that looks like a pain in the ass. If I weren't so lazy I'd totally 5-speed swap my P71. Unfortunately I am lazy so I guess it's never gonna happen. I guess I'm stuck with built automatic once mine finally bites the dust. Great job on yours tho. I guess I'll just have to buy yours from you one day and call it a boom done. That's the easy way to 5-speed swap.
I hear ya hollywood. Some things were easier than anticipated and others have just been frustrating. It's coming along though. Very much driveable at least. Few bugs to touch up on
Awesome stuff. Will have to watch the rest of this series. I have a vic I recently welded the diff on/have taken it to the track, but the automatic kills me! Will have to more seriously consider doing this swap.
Also nice job driving stick for the first time. What an awesome project for you guys
Thanks 100. He definitely picked it up straight away!
I always wondered what it would be like to drive something like this around with a welded diff?
@@PNW_Car_Mods I am only a few weeks into driving it with the welded diff but so far so good. I definitely had to change my driving pattern when in the rain. Slight accelerations while coming around a wet corner etc while cause the rear end to come out
It definitely made it a lot more predictable/controllable while sliding. And of course accelerating from 0 where I previously might have one wheel peeled now it spins for a half second max.
I swear, Isaac is the luckiest young man in the world to have you as a dad.
-Chuck
Awww. You're far too kind Chuck!
Hell ya my vic was 5 speed last year fully redoing it this year and making it a 6 speed manual along with stage 3 mhs heads and stage 2 turbo cams fully built and forged block. Abunch of other stuff
That sounds like a hell of a build! We briefly thought about going 6 speed but it's like there is a tipping point in manual swapping cheaply to pole vaulting into many thousands of dollars of a build lol.
@@PNW_Car_Mods yea but for my build it was either t56 swap or I end up going automatic again and we gotta save them manuals
@@doaburnout1205 Will you be going to fully hydraulic clutch or will it be cable?
@@PNW_Car_Mods hydraulic
For a first time manual user, he did REALLY well!!! I sucked at first.
I agree! I think it worked out well that we did the install over a weekend and then he had school on Monday so mentally he knew he needed to figure it out right away. There also lots of hills on our area which can be very intimidating for people learning to drive manual. Of course now he's flawless. He also now has a T56 6spd SS Camaro.
This is awesome. Definitely gonna be doing this soon. Where did you get all your info to do the swap?
Zach check out the original series at youtube channel Crown Vic Performance. Literally everything is there to know how to build from start to finish including building your own clutch brake pedal box. BP Builds just about as thorough. If you didn't watch our first two videos check those out as well. We have enough info in our videos you should be able to build and complete the swap. The only thing I didn't show which I kinda regret now was showing you all how I did the crossmember modification. Thanks for tuning in.
The wiring is where I get a lil crazy
It's very important to get it right or you will be very frustrated with the end result.
Great project ! When you LS Swap it I have mounts for you !
That dream is still alive albeit a ways off yet. Thanks Sids.
sweet
Thanks cole. :)
if yall partake in any smokey burnouts make sure to bring your audience along!
Amazing!!!
Thanks!!
Excellent build, but he better not be doing any extended burnouts LOL
lol I don't think it has enough power. Especially if we put a track lock diff in it.
11inch clutch comes in 96 in up 10 inch was 79 thru 85 10 n half was 85 thru 93
I knew that at one point in time but it has definitely been lost over the years in my brain cell frying.
Nice!
Thanks for stopping in Vincent. :)
You could have used they flywheel from a mustang 96 and up with 4.6 manual 5 speed 8 bolt patern theres 2 bolt paterns 6 and 8.
Your spell checker went nuts but I think I know what you are saying.
Take dat junk 3650 slash t45 out and go with a T k o tremec or t56 magnum 6speed.
Do you happen to have a cleaned up archive of your process to follow I have an '06.. transmission is still strong but one day when it goes.. I would not mind doing the swap and having everything boxed up to do it..
I just dropped transmission before and put them back ain't nothing like a ride up of what to do in order precisely absolutely great video nonetheless and a lot of people commenting with very factual information I guess the most sensitive part to me is understanding the wiring and where to put everything
Unfortunately not at this time. The problem with a video like that at least from me is the thing would be 2 hours long and nobody would watch it. The guy that pretty much pioneered this swap has a youtube channel Crown Vic Performance. He has a 10 part series on doing a full swap over a weekend. Less building the pedals. It takes a lot of poking around. I bet I have at least 50 hours or more of searching the internet and youtube trying to make sure this swap went as smooth as possible. This car is a daily driver for my son and needs to stay operational so once we committed to this we had to make it work or he had no car. There are a few more videos planned for this swap on this car but I just have to get off my ass and get them done.
Forgive me if I sound dumb, but is a tune required for a 5 speed swap? If so, do I just call Mo's speed shop asking for a 5 speed tune?
You will have a wrench light on your dash forever if you don't get the tune. That is correct. He's done thousands of these tunes for crown vic guys and is super knowledgeable on the swaps. His support even after house was second to none.
I am currently doing a swap on my 1997 crown Victoria and my dtr sensor is an 8 pin connector and I can’t find a diagram for it and am unsure which wires to splice into
Do you watch Panzer Platform? You may want to email him and see if he can send you the schematics. IIRC he has access to them.
Thank you so much !
Hey i have a question. Why is the tune needed? Could you run the car with the stock computer or would the car go into limp mode because the transmission is gone?
I don't know that it will go into limp mode. I think you will just have the wrench light stuck on forever which for many is an OCD annoyance. The PCM is looking for a lot of now missing inputs from the automatic that are now gone.
So what tune is needed from mo's speed shop? Do I need to buy a tune or just edit the vehicles parameters like how high itll rev in neutral with the tuner? And if I need to buy a tune how do I ask for it, like do I just say "I need a tune for a 5 speed swapped crown vic"
Yup to all of the above. Most if not all use the SCT X4 hand held with Mo's tune. I literally just emailed them and told him what we were doing and after a few questions were answered on our end he mailed the tuner and tune. His follow up support was second to non. He did have to make a few tweaks for us. Also helped troubleshoot a stubborn occurrence of the wrench light being on. These cars with the manual tune drive kind of funky until you get used to it as the revs like to stay high in between shifts but generally speaking after a day of driving it you don't even notice it anymore. BP also had the same thing with his car.
I wonder how well this swap would work on a 2011 Town Car.
I would think it would work totally fine. Should be same platform as far as I know.
@@PNW_Car_Mods I'm thinking mostly computer-wise because the system may be more complicated. Sensors,analytics and WTF was THAT kinda shifting, ya know?
How did u get the u-joint to fit in the yoke. I’ve order two yokes and the same moog u-joint and I can’t even get the center piece to fit into the yoke. The axis hits the top of the yoke no matter which way I try to put it in. It seems like the joint is just ~ 2mm too long.
Are you saying that you can't get the locks in place? Is this an after market yoke or a factory piece? I intentionally found a factory yoke out of a Mustang.
The FRPP yokes do that. Crap castings. I had to grind mine down slightly to get the bar cross to fit. That was with a Moog 448 joint.
Did you ever make the video about sealing up the hole around the shifter?
Long story short. Yes and no. We hated the cheap hurst or B&M style rubber boot so much we couldn't bare to put that out. It works but it looks like trash. Soon we will get a leather boot made for it and a better trim ring. I still have a couple videos to make on completion of the 5 speed swap but that got put on hold when I blew up the motor in our corvette. Keep patient and we'll get back to it.
@@PNW_Car_Mods Awesome, looking forward to it.
I want to do this with my crown vic, i cant find a peddle kit however, adtr says they are out of stock and i have been checking for months for a re stock
They are very hard to find now without making your own. I have considered going into production but I simply don't have the time nor am sure about all the liability problems.
Info on your clutch pedal set up
That trans mount you had to replace, was that a crown vic mount? I am assuming it was, just getting a parts list together right now and wanting to make sure i have everything covered.
Yup. Stock replacement crown vic trans mount.
What exhaust are you guys running? Getting ready to do this exact swap soon but for an F100 Chassis swap project!
all stock police interceptor dual exhaust except the stock mufflers are cut out with 14 inch Magnaflow Magnapacks in their place. They are just fancy expensive glasspacks really.
Hello just subscribed. Would it be possible to send me a list of parts to do the swap just bought an 08 police Interceptor without the adjustable pedals
Unfortunately MR Big I don't really have a list compiled that I can just post anywhere. I will say that if you check out the other two videos in this manual transmission swap series that every single part needed to make this work is talked about or listed in their respected descriptions IIRC. There is a pretty thorough list on crown vic dot net of what you need as well.
Ok np thank you
Did you get a used transmission or did you have it rebuilt and how many miles was on it if it was used
Arnie the transmission is straight out of a wrecked 2002 Mustang. Not exactly sure on mileage but most if not all transmissions you buy from a wrecking yard anymore come with a 3 to 6 month warranty. It also came with the Steeda tri ax shifter so that was a bonus score.
One question, do you need to change the gear differential swap manual transmission
You don't really have to although I would say if you have 2.73 rear gear you may find 5th gear in the transmission almost useless unless you are going over 70mph. We have 3.27 gear and it cruises very nicely on the highway at 65mph. I would like to put 3.55 or 3.73 gear in the car some day and the overdrive would still be very nice on the highway.
@@PNW_Car_Mods thank you
Is the tune Necessary?
Maybe not entirely necessary but you will never get the wrench light to go out without the tune.
Hi I’m doing a 5 speed swap on my 08 crown vic where did you get the pressure plate bolts I have a 11 inch clutch ?
Pressure plate bolts we got from Orielys Auto Parts. They were dorman flange head grade 10.9s I don't remember the specific size but I think I mentioned it one of the videos.
@@PNW_Car_Mods Thanks I found them luckily they got in stock.
Hi can tell me what switch used for the clutch safety switch
You can use just about any 2 wire threaded brake light switch for the clutch safety switch. Just have to figure out how you want to mount it. If you go back and watch part 1 you can see how I mounted the switch and which one I used. It is wired up now nad works.
What kind of center console is this?
Do a google search for Nenno Products. We also have a short video of the console on the channel as well.
@@PNW_Car_Mods Thanks, found it.
Did you use the stock wire ong harnesses for crown Vic’s or did you get a new one
Stock harness with new pigtails added where needed.
What about reverse switch for reverse lights?
it is using the OEM 3650 reverse light switch using a new pigtail harness merged into the auto wiring harness. It's in the video somewhere. If you go to part 4 I believe I show full blown wiring diagrams.
I've contemplating on doing the swap but my brain goes to mush. Was it really that easy 🤔
If you can find a pedal assembly and gas pedal bracket it really is that easy.
Hey I was curious, did you already have the sct tuner and then bought the tune? Doing this swap and already have the tuner
No. We bought the whole thing as a package from Mo's
Do you know if a 2001 grand marquis needs to have the crank shaft signal modified also??
I am not 100% sure on that. I think it's only on 2005 and up. I work on so much different stuff that its hard to remember little details like that unfortunately. If you go to BP Builds youtube channel I'm pretty sure he has a video that is specific to that wiring change and I am sure that he listed the years affected.
where you guys located?
Pierce County Washington
What trans did he use
TR3650
@@PNW_Car_Mods thanks man looking into doing the swap on my 02 grand Marquis
Hello did you have to modify the u joint to make it fit with the stock p71 driveshaft? Mines doesn’t fit
yes, it requires a 1350 to 1330 conversion u joint. It is in this video.
@@PNW_Car_Mods did you have to block the trans cooler and or what you do to the transmission cooler line?
Did you have take off or make a block off plate?
@@samuelalonsogonzalez7591 We just cut them off at the front crossmember and let them drain out. Didn't care about ruining them.
For the clutch and brake pedal for you are they hard to press down for you or I need to fix mines
Awesome I have a 5 speed p71 as well and after 30 mph the rpm’s hang when you push in the clutch and don’t drop all the way until going less than 30 mph.. did you ever have that type of issue? Thanks
Walker are you using the Mo's tune? The RPMs are real lazy to return to idle on this car even with the Mo's tune. He worked on it a bit by playing with the timing to make it better but it's still not like driving a mustang by any means. It's kind of annoying but you get used to it after a while. I can't say with this tune that there is a defined cutoff of 30mph for us. It's pretty much acts like that at any speed and any gear.
@@PNW_Car_Mods Wouldnt that mostly be related to the flywheel as well? As with a heavier fly wheel, the revs are going to hang alot.
@@MikeKraemer87 That's a damn good question Mike. Certainly possible. I know when I discussed this with Mo's it didn't come up. It's just a little frustrating as we have owned 2 valve mustang in the past and it never drove like this. I know it's two totally different PCMs so don't get me wrong there. You learn to ignore it after a while.
No hydraulic clutch?
No. While it is certainly possible to go hydro it is way simpler and way cheaper to stick with the tried and true fox chassis cable clutch.
Hi did the driveshaft slide right in without modifying the slip yoke?
You have to install a 31 spline yoke and a hybrid moog u joint to make this work. also if police interceptor I highly recommend the fabtech 5/8" driveshaft spacer.
@@PNW_Car_Mods I just ordered the 31 spline yoke, I have the fabtech spacer just wanted to see what else I needed thanks again much help.
The T3650 transmission up to what year mustangs can i use
2001 to 2004. The 05 and up are a different animal.
Is that a jeep center console?
Negative pete. It is purpose made for Crown Vic Police Interceptor from Nenno products. We have a video on putting it in probably a year and a half ago. It's not perfect but it looks and works better than the 25 dollar piece of crap amazon deals.
@@PNW_Car_Mods awesome, thank you.
What year is this car?
2011
what gauge wire did you use for the pcm jump?
I think it was a piece of 18g. It doesn't need too be big. It's just a signal. Could probably be 20g and be just fine.
@@PNW_Car_Mods does this apply to everything done? I could use all the same wire?
@@ZerkSaysWTF I think that's fair to say you could use 18g everywhere as in the back up lights, speed sensor, and clutch safety switch.
What would it cost to do this swap? Labor and parts
I would say a safe bet would be around 1600 in parts and 1500 in labor. Could be much cheaper depending on the amount of used parts you use. Obviously we didn't have to pay labor in our case. The complication in pricing for this is finding a pedal assembly if you can't fabricate one yourself.
@@PNW_Car_Mods that's awesome, I'm looking at a grand marquis 2009 for 2500 and was thinking about buying it to do this swap...without this swap I wouldn't think about buying the marquis lol...thank you and keep up the great work
How much did you charge for this?
In the current market this would probably be upwards of 2k dollars
@@PNW_Car_Mods labor only I assume¿
Do yoy use the auto trans’s trans mount?
The actual rubber mount? if that is what you are asking, yes OEM auto mount bolts up to the manual.
@@PNW_Car_Mods gotcha, Been debating if it’s worth to buy a new one or just re use?
@@ziggy760 ours was actually broken so we had to buy a new one from the local parts store.
@@PNW_Car_Modsthanks for the info. Been coming back to this video and channel many times to grasp a full understanding. I’ve got my 3650 finally in now I’ve got to start wiring
@@ziggy760 ziggy I go over even more of the wiring with diagrams in part 4!
I ll bet my 03 grand marquis gs would smoke that p71
There are a million cars out there that will smoke a stock crown vic.
Can i get the tr3650 swap parts list real quick please
Not really. It takes a lot of research to pull this off without a hitch. If you search the internet there are some lists out there on crown vic dot net. I probably had a solid 10 hours of research and still had hurdles to overcome
Feel me on what tranny and all parts used
Check out part 1. Mustang Tremec TR3650. Mustang clutch and flywheel. Mustang driveshaft yoke. Mustang Shifter. Mo's speed shop custom tune.