Can’t thank you enough for your videos! Been following since wotlk and your videos alone made me go from sub 50 parsing to 90+. Amazing content and please keep it up! 🙌
I understand things a little bit better now, but it only reinforces my early decision to go with my Elemental shaman instead. This is way too much multi-tasking work for too little reward for me. Much respect for those of you who manage and keep doing it though :)
Agree with you on the shadow orbs. It feels great when I wait 12 seconds at the start of the fight to get a single orb so I can finally do full dmg, and there is nothing I can do about that rng. Wish the chance to get an orb from MF/SW:P would increase with mastery.
My record is 23 seconds into a fight to get my first orb. I wish I was recording because it would’ve been a great clip to add to this video because I was sooooo mad
Any good WA suggestions when to refresh the last dot? general rule of thumb to me has been under 3 seconds but maybe im clipping when i shouldnt. Also, you taught me today Flay has finally been fixed. When did they fix it?
@@kimandersen6174Let’s say mind flay has 10 ticks per channel. If you break your channel at 9 ticks, the 10th tick will be transferred to your next mind flay, giving it 11 ticks. This only works on the final tick and it also applies with your DoT’s. It is a passive called “Pandemic”
As for rotation with Bad RNG Orb on boss pull especially Heroic Domo, I usually precast mind spike 3 times for instant MB, shadowfield, shadow word pain, mind flay until i get an orb. Is this an optimum rotation? Thanks
No, you want to do regular opener. Only difference is that if you dont get any orbs by second mind flay, start dotting. For domo, important thing is to wait to use dark archangel until you get 100% buff. Also depending on strategy used by raid. Try not to move until you really need to.
On the gemming section I see it says chaotic shadowspirit diamond, but it's simming lower than burning shadowspirit diamond, just wanted to make sure that wasn't a typo.
In general - should we be refreshing dots to snapshot proc trinkets (i.e. volcanic), Power Torrent and any other beneficial buffs? If so to what extent?
Nice guide as always. Btw I do not think we still need FQ WA after this change, for chaining MF just recast it between 2nd and 3rd tick and it will carry over no?
hmmm, I'm guessing shadow orb # 2 and 3 do not increase damage as i thought it did. I was thinking you get to 3 shadows orbs, mind blast and update dots.
Would it be worth it at all to sacrifice some talents points somewhere to get Power Infusion? its right there and kinda tempting but idk if its good or not it kinda seems like it?
i stopped using quartz a while ago since its not displaying MF ticks for me (yes option is checked in settings), got so hyped seeing yours, enabled it and it still does not work :/
The shadow priest discord has a fix for Quartz pinned in the addons and weakauras channel. If you want to use quartz then go there and download the pinned file
Is MF clipping no longer a t hing? I remember it back from cata was on retail you should always clip before last tick. EDIT - ok I see you mention it at 15:41 but yet you don't clip it in the showcase video you ilncluded
Thanks for your great videos all the time! I have a question, since Cata is released quartz didn't show me the ticks of mindflay anymore and I see on your video that it's still working with your character - did you fix it anyways or how is this possible? Hope you answer me, I would be very grateful for it!
What addon are you using for floating combat text ? It shows up in a different position for you than mine does and it makes things easier to see. Mines just default and comes from my character.
Ive done a clean install of Quartz but for w/e reason it doesnt show me ticks on the cast bar - any idea ? I have the "Show Channeling ticks" box ticked
Which addon Shows me the Ticks from mindflay ? The old wa von luxthos was perfectly the castbar was shared in 3 pieces so u can perfectly Clip the mindflay , some an idea
Quick question about Shadowfiend in your opener. Wouldn't you want to get all your spellpower/intellect procs up before using it? Or is Shadowfiend's dmg dynamic?
Dots haven’t changed at all. The stats on your character when you cast them is what they have for the full duration, except for dots that get refreshed through other spells
@@Pants_Gaming thx for the answer i tested it myself now. yes snapshotting is still a thing probably will come back for some advice if i keep playing :)
Wait, have I been misunderstanding pandemic this whole time? I thought your next tick, regardless if it’s the last tick or not, gets added to the beginning of the refreshed dot.
Yeah I think a tick gets added regardless but the point is to time it in the last tick so you don’t lose damage. I.e if VT has 5 ticks and you cut off the last tick then you have a 4 tick VT and a 6 tick VT. But if you cast your second VT before the 4th tick in the first cast then you have a 3 tick VT and a 6 tick VT so you lose a tick of damage in your casts. The point is to maximize your damage by never losing a tick
Shadow orbs are the worst thing they could've done to the spec. I have fights where it procs on first pain tick and other fights where I cast mindflay 15 times before a proc. It makes every single pull like 90% RNG if you do well or not. not only on the opener though. you can have massive dry spells in the middle of a fight too and get no orbs whatsoever and empowered shadows can fade and if you get trinket procs you still want to fish for an orb before snapshotting because it's just that big of a difference. this completely ruins the flow of your rotation. any fight where there is multiple enemies you pretty much want to get pain out immediately. I'd say at about 4 targets with pain the chance of getting 3 orbs before empowered shadows wears off is pretty high and this will massively increase mind blast damage especially if you crit which you can mindspike a non primary target to get the increased crit chance. and if you have all item procs rolling it could be worth it to just double mindspike go back to primary target and instant mind blast for the guaranteed crit with huge damage multipliers.
I dont have much time for WoW this summer, just wondering how long it takes to go from 80-85 as spriest? How much time is needed for dailies to get pre-raid gearing? Im not looking to get BiS.
CORRECTIONS:
BiS Meta Gem: Burning Shadowspirit Diamond not Chaotic
Epic Gems come in P3 with Dragon Soul, not P2 with Firelands
If this is too complicated then check out my short for a simple Rotation Guide! ruclips.net/user/shortsSW5ffg65brE
I’m so glad that Pantsface is with us in Cata 🥰
Can’t thank you enough for your videos! Been following since wotlk and your videos alone made me go from sub 50 parsing to 90+. Amazing content and please keep it up! 🙌
Thanks man, I'm playing shadow priest for the first time in Cata and this has answered so many questions!
Thanks a bunch for this video, Pants. Your Algalon star killer vid really helped me in wotlk. Appreciate your work.
Thanks for this
Appreciate that!
your editing got better, keep it up, bestie
haha thanks. I switched the editing software I use which made everything a lot better
Your guides are awesome, would love a Cata phase 1 parse guide!!
I can play spriest now that the pants guide is out!
Another absolute gem of a video, thanks for the consistent and accurate information as always shadow priest king 👑
Happy birthday pumdog millionaire
Finally! :D I've been waiting for so long
lol sorry I exported it like 7 different times over the last few days continually making minor edits here and there. hope you like it!
orgen 😂
@@josefpeter1629 HORSE, its the best.
@@kiwiandapple503 Youre the best
@@Pants_Gaming all good my man! 🥳 Knew everything in the video but still nice to hear it straight from the pants for confirmation.
I’m back after 6 months and feel like I’m so behind but this video helped
Glad to see ya on cata!!
great video, always appreciate your depth of class knowledge!
Finally, my favorite SP Wow Classic content creator is back! I fear that you leave us out in cata
Great guide, thanks!
you are a giga chad ty for a real guide
Been leveling shadow priest currently at 84 just randomly pressing buttons. Definitely needed this guide!
Thanks so much for this!!!!
I understand things a little bit better now, but it only reinforces my early decision to go with my Elemental shaman instead. This is way too much multi-tasking work for too little reward for me.
Much respect for those of you who manage and keep doing it though :)
Ele is much easier
Pants literally saved my life
Tarecgosa staff waiting room 😍
big thanks for the help
Agree with you on the shadow orbs. It feels great when I wait 12 seconds at the start of the fight to get a single orb so I can finally do full dmg, and there is nothing I can do about that rng. Wish the chance to get an orb from MF/SW:P would increase with mastery.
My record is 23 seconds into a fight to get my first orb. I wish I was recording because it would’ve been a great clip to add to this video because I was sooooo mad
@@Pants_Gaming Hurts especially when BL is on pull :DD
In t13 4p your apparitions and shadowfiend will gen 3 orbs with each hit so there is no waiting anymore but sadly it is so late into the content
how do you get quartz to show mind flay ticks? i swear it used to in wrath
Just doesn't work no matter what you do ..
if you are in the classic shadow priest discord, there is a file to fix that
@@balthier1412 thanks man! Worked!
What dungeon dps do you think you should be doing before going to heroic?
Any good WA suggestions when to refresh the last dot? general rule of thumb to me has been under 3 seconds but maybe im clipping when i shouldnt. Also, you taught me today Flay has finally been fixed. When did they fix it?
Can you explain the Mind Flay tick ? I'm not really sure how it works still.
@@kimandersen6174Let’s say mind flay has 10 ticks per channel. If you break your channel at 9 ticks, the 10th tick will be transferred to your next mind flay, giving it 11 ticks. This only works on the final tick and it also applies with your DoT’s. It is a passive called “Pandemic”
There's no clipping no more when refreshing a spell
Is there a bug with Empowered Shadow? It used to proc on my priest but now I don’t see it
As a night elf shadow priest, I love the representation /cry
lol whoops. I totally forgot about NE
Oh hell yeah he's back
As for rotation with Bad RNG Orb on boss pull especially Heroic Domo, I usually precast mind spike 3 times for instant MB, shadowfield, shadow word pain, mind flay until i get an orb. Is this an optimum rotation? Thanks
No, you want to do regular opener. Only difference is that if you dont get any orbs by second mind flay, start dotting. For domo, important thing is to wait to use dark archangel until you get 100% buff. Also depending on strategy used by raid. Try not to move until you really need to.
On the gemming section I see it says chaotic shadowspirit diamond, but it's simming lower than burning shadowspirit diamond, just wanted to make sure that wasn't a typo.
I'll be honest... I didn't know that gem existed. I thought there was only a crit + % increased crit damage gem like in Wrath. Thats my mistake
Tnx alot ❤🎉❤🎉
Idk what i'm doing wrong . doing this exactly rotation months later in 370 gear but i can't even keep 20k dps.. :/
Should I let my mind flay cast all the way if mind blast comes on CD or cast is mind cast of bind flay after it tics?
You want to cast MB on CD right after MF ticks or ends. Might be worth interrupting if you’re going to miss out on last seconds of dark evangelism.
Solid vid
Worth to buy staff from Tol Barad for 85 tokens?
In general - should we be refreshing dots to snapshot proc trinkets (i.e. volcanic), Power Torrent and any other beneficial buffs? If so to what extent?
Nice guide as always. Btw I do not think we still need FQ WA after this change, for chaining MF just recast it between 2nd and 3rd tick and it will carry over no?
no you still want it. only casting MF -> MF is fixed with this. But mind flay into any other spell is when you want to have FQ
hmmm, I'm guessing shadow orb # 2 and 3 do not increase damage as i thought it did. I was thinking you get to 3 shadows orbs, mind blast and update dots.
It'll only increase the dmg of the next mindblast with more orbs, but the periodic dmg increase is the same.
The wait is over! The SP king has spoken!
DUring your opener demo, what is your very first buff? it almost looks like a wizard oil or something on your staff.
what about the mind flay macro/input lag? we still considering these?
hey, so basically you need to aim to refresh VT and DP at like 1 second before they fall off?
Yeah that’s pretty much how I time mine
Would it be worth it at all to sacrifice some talents points somewhere to get Power Infusion? its right there and kinda tempting but idk if its good or not it kinda seems like it?
take a look at the talent trees and think about this more
i stopped using quartz a while ago since its not displaying MF ticks for me (yes option is checked in settings), got so hyped seeing yours, enabled it and it still does not work :/
same here how fix
the addon Gnosis is what ur lookin for I believe
The shadow priest discord has a fix for Quartz pinned in the addons and weakauras channel. If you want to use quartz then go there and download the pinned file
@@Pants_Gaming god bless
Is MF clipping no longer a t hing? I remember it back from cata was on retail you should always clip before last tick. EDIT - ok I see you mention it at 15:41 but yet you don't clip it in the showcase video you ilncluded
You should clip mind flay at 2 ticks for any spell with a higher priority. But it’s extremely minor and not a big deal if you don’t do it
hi, what is the addon near your spell cast history that seems to predict next cast spell. thank you.
Nugkeyfeedback
Do you think I can heal in low level dungeons using shadow spec? I only have cape heirloom and decent greens/blues
You get dual spec at lvl 30. Just have a healing and shadow spec. I haven’t done a low level dungeon in a long time tbh
Thanks for your great videos all the time! I have a question, since Cata is released quartz didn't show me the ticks of mindflay anymore and I see on your video that it's still working with your character - did you fix it anyways or how is this possible? Hope you answer me, I would be very grateful for it!
There's a fix pinned in the shadow priest discord in the addons and weakauras channel
discord.gg/RECU7r4Grx
@@Pants_Gaming ty 👍
What is that weakaura or addon for the mind flay ticks on the cast bar
On how many targets is it worth to Mind Sear over just keeping dots up and maintaining your ST rotation?
Actually 3. Keep swp on two of them to refresh orbs, mb to refresh empowered shadows, and sear like crazy
So, is Enchanting useless for Spriest?
Do you clip mind flat for MB or to reapply dots?
What addon are you using for floating combat text ? It shows up in a different position for you than mine does and it makes things easier to see. Mines just default and comes from my character.
Ive done a clean install of Quartz but for w/e reason it doesnt show me ticks on the cast bar - any idea ? I have the "Show Channeling ticks" box ticked
the addon Gnosis is what ur looking for I believe
Which addon Shows me the Ticks from mindflay ? The old wa von luxthos was perfectly the castbar was shared in 3 pieces so u can perfectly Clip the mindflay , some an idea
Gnosis is the addon
Quick question about Shadowfiend in your opener. Wouldn't you want to get all your spellpower/intellect procs up before using it? Or is Shadowfiend's dmg dynamic?
it's dynamic
Does cata spriest still use the fake queue WAs and macros?
hey :) didnt they remove snapshotting of dots in wrath phase 1 ?
Dots haven’t changed at all. The stats on your character when you cast them is what they have for the full duration, except for dots that get refreshed through other spells
@@Pants_Gaming thx for the answer i tested it myself now. yes snapshotting is still a thing probably will come back for some advice if i keep playing :)
whats your weakaura? Heaviside one you linked looks very different from yours
mine is fojji. it's a paid WA which is why I didn't mention it
does mind flay actually work like dots ? becuase on pre patch i think it didnt. My quartz also doesnt show mf ticks anymore
Hey mate!
Is their a link to your plater profile. :)
Wait, have I been misunderstanding pandemic this whole time? I thought your next tick, regardless if it’s the last tick or not, gets added to the beginning of the refreshed dot.
Yeah I think a tick gets added regardless but the point is to time it in the last tick so you don’t lose damage.
I.e if VT has 5 ticks and you cut off the last tick then you have a 4 tick VT and a 6 tick VT. But if you cast your second VT before the 4th tick in the first cast then you have a 3 tick VT and a 6 tick VT so you lose a tick of damage in your casts. The point is to maximize your damage by never losing a tick
What general UI do you use? Is it elvui?
what addon are the floating damage numbers?
Arent epic gems introduced in the last phase?
Yup. Someone told me P2 and I believed them. Don't trust anyone on the internet :p
I want to be a horse race! 19:16
damn its so complicated kinda regret lvling sp... i could just make mage xD
It’s not. This is for people who want to minmax. Put up your dots and cast mind blast and flay and you’ll be fine
@@Pants_GamingOk thanks 😊
Shadow orbs are the worst thing they could've done to the spec. I have fights where it procs on first pain tick and other fights where I cast mindflay 15 times before a proc. It makes every single pull like 90% RNG if you do well or not. not only on the opener though. you can have massive dry spells in the middle of a fight too and get no orbs whatsoever and empowered shadows can fade and if you get trinket procs you still want to fish for an orb before snapshotting because it's just that big of a difference. this completely ruins the flow of your rotation. any fight where there is multiple enemies you pretty much want to get pain out immediately. I'd say at about 4 targets with pain the chance of getting 3 orbs before empowered shadows wears off is pretty high and this will massively increase mind blast damage especially if you crit which you can mindspike a non primary target to get the increased crit chance. and if you have all item procs rolling it could be worth it to just double mindspike go back to primary target and instant mind blast for the guaranteed crit with huge damage multipliers.
Time to farm digrats for orbs
I did this during prepatch.. it was not worth the hassle (I did a lot of testing with it). I know you were probably joking, but I was that crazy.
I just hate the SP mastery….
same man... same
orgen is best race
Shadowpriest feels terrible with these stupid orbs, I hate the changes
same. it does get better as you get gear but starting off it feels awful
getting bad rng on orbs feels awful
I dont have much time for WoW this summer, just wondering how long it takes to go from 80-85 as spriest? How much time is needed for dailies to get pre-raid gearing? Im not looking to get BiS.