@@frenziiii after game released people should protest and didnt play warrior at all untill blizzard will fix problems. one donkey with nick name indalamar made a video in beta where he kills 7-8 mobs 1 by 1 with potions and call it OP :D this is when my mage could pull 300mobs in mara and 1 pull full room lashers, 1 pull full room of elite satyrs. blizzard didnt do sht for whole vanilla and TBC with pummel being on GCD while mage counterspell is not, warriors can gain rage for absorb till Wotlk, only one class that need to break absorbs with white autoattacks :D stances did more harm to warrios, any other class barely need to change anyhting to use ability while warrior to use specific ability need to change stance and gear lol changing stances waste almost all rage :D wich you dont gain for absorbs and can gain by charge ability that work only out of combat has 5y blinzone so rogues with their 70% slow can kite slow that dont need to waste 10 rage and gcd like hamstring for 50% slow ;) and max 25y range so mage can shovel counterspell in your face to make you in combat... you can get 10 rage but lose HP) you can buff 3% crit but you will eat 10% more damage you can buff 100% crit but will eat another 20% damage and share 30 min CD for 3 abilities :)) NCIE job blizzard. imagine mage to use frost bolt and blink needed to rebuff different mage armor and he will get some penalty for it, imagine iceblock and evocation shared CD and had 30min cooldown :D . GJ
Bro, you are an absolute warrior and a must-watch! I've checked out all your videos, and they're amazing! Can I make a request for your next guide? Could you do one on Fury? I'd love to know how to play it and what to focus on. Every time I switch to Fury, I lose interest because I’m not sure about the priorities or how to play it properly. Thanks so much for the awesome content-keep it up! 👊
brooo thank you man, just gotten into wow classic anniversary and this is great knowledge to help me as a human warrior haha. take some great british shmeckels :)
Anger Management actually generates rage, 1 per 3 seconds AFAIK. So its nice even in prolonged pulls. You can also cheese it a little by bloodraging after killing a mob and keeping that generation on.
At 2 targets+ sweeping strike + cleave. overpower (huge dmg) with swordspecc/windfury you can spam hamstring for more overpower/extraswing proccs 40+ MS (Or bloodthirst i guess) But mostly you just pool rage for the next pull, so you can get those sunder stacks up real quick. Thats also why execute can be kind of a trap while lvling. It dumps all your rage to most likely overkill a target. So you have to slowly get your rage back for sunders on the next mob, instead of instantly stacking it on global cd.
@@ederofempires8793 Can't rend also proc extra swings? I know it can proc overpower. If so, shouldn't you use rend instead of spamming hamstring if the target is already slowed, since they cost the same rage?
@@JokisenTontsa rend can be dodged for overpowers, but it has no initial hit dmg and refreshing dots in classic resetts ticktimer, so spamming rend deals no real dmg since the first tick comes after 3s. also i'm not sure if rend proccs windfury etc without the initial hit.
The sunder armor is insanely underrated ability while leveling. And no one talks about it. Most of the guides tells you to spam heroic strike which makes leveling incredibly inefficient. When I switched to sunder spam I noticed an incredible increase in my rage generation and an overall leveling speed
I'm confused about the "extra" white hit during sunder armor? I'm sundering but it ain't giving me any more hits. Does he mean that the armor decrease is equivalent to hitting the mob an extra time?
@@Sen-xt5ojwhen you queue a heroic strike you cannot gain rage from the auto attack that it activates on. So a heroic strike is -15 rage but a sunder armor is -15 rage and then +Rage from auto attack. This little bit of extra rage adds up and also makes sure you have enough rage for Overpower/execute/revenge stuff like that.
Great video but i would like to add some minor tips if its ok. For range weapon: If it doesnt give any stats, always use throwing weapons, they are the fastest to pull with and you can do some kiting in clutch situations with them. Prot tanking: Read the talents in the prot tree and you'll find theres not much there to help you survive better than Arms or Fury when it comes to tanking, your shield is what will give you survivability and you can use that with fury and arms too. You need the extra threat from your arms or fury talents to hold aggro otherwise youre useless. If no one is hitting you, your extra survivability doesnt matter. Always have a macro for switching between weapons from dw/2h to 1h and shield. I would like to share a neat trick for tanking that i havnt seen anywhere else. Use your bloodrage after youve pulled a pack, you will get extra threat since youre buffing yourself which can be quite powerful in early dungeons (aswell as just using battle shout or demo shout just to keep aggro on packs) and will make sure the whole pack comes to you on the pull incase someone is maube buffing themselves or a renew or something is ticking on you and so on
Wow, your content is amazing, I subbed instantly after watching this video. Can't wait to watch the other stuff you got and everything that is to come. 🔥
I only use rend for pvp, it's terrible on mobs, execute is also terrible for leveling as it dumps ALL of your rage. I would only execute if the mob was potentially going to aggro others or for pvp otherwise it slows your leveling effectiveness.
@@joshuaphilbert7995 Agreed. Rend is useful to put on rogues and druids in PvP, so they have to use the Luffa when entering stealth again, or using vanish.
Great vid! Im a returning wow player as a rogue some 18 years ago. Decided to roll warrior this time. Your gyides have been amazing💪. We just need a macro vid now🙏
Really enjoying the content. Just dinged 40 and was following the Hamstring, 2-3 sunders before 50% and heroic strike when dumping rage. Now that I'm 40, I'm seeing conflicting strategies as the optimal rotation. DO I still Hamstring, do I still Sunder, is it efficient to Use WW on single mobs ever. If someone can provide the proper rotation, that would be greatly appreciated!
You have been such a great teacher in terms of helping me learning how to be a great tank at lower levels. I'm myself have been a Classic WoW player for over a decade, and tanking has always put me off with how confusing guides can be with conflicting views and such. I wanted a challenge this time and following your other low level tanking videos, I have had nothing but praise with even multiple people asking if I want to tank a dungeon they are doing and even being offered a raid spot for tanking. However, I am a bit confused with end game raiding as I'm nearing there now (about to hit 50) whether to go sword+shield or fury tank at first. I'm being depended on a tanking spot for a guild and don't want to let them down. Any other videos you can recommend for end game pre-bis type warrior tanks for raiding? Or if not do you plan on doing a video going in depth with that? Regardless, love the vibe and thought you put in your videos! Look forward to seeing more content from you!
The only problem I’ve found with these “non prot” warriors is that all they heard was “you don’t need to be prot to tank dungeons” and then turned your video off. They spam heroic strike, spam TC can’t hold aggro. Then when you say something they get all defensive, but details! Don’t lie. Thank you for the vid I just wish more warriors watched the hole thing 😝
What's crazy is warrior is my most played class but I only really picked ot up in dragon soul, always had a low level one as an alternative character, but he's as old as vanilla. Only got to like 10 before putting him on the bench, ty for your videos they're all great and helpful, I went 2 parry and 3 improved rend early on, since I plan to tank as arms till about the time I can duel wield properly (I think you said lvl 50 ish?)
Can you plz make a full on guide for tanking/Lving as a warrior which spells you should buy when to use them or which spells you can ignore if you want give multiple choices if you can, do showcases of how spells should work and how to use them like I watched your quick guide to tanking and I didn't really understand the whole battle shout thing like can you pull with it or does it work after you pull? Idk I really wanna tank with a warrior but I just feel like no one has made a good guide for it, kinda sucks and we're in 2024 for a game that came out in 2004, there should be a good tanking guide by now and no one has made one but I get it could take a a lot of time so I get why someone wouldn't want to do it. PS and macros, gear every lil detail if possible lol.
I'm a bit confused by some of the points you made in this video. I'm brand new to WoW (Lvl 38 Warrior). Currently using the Arms warrior leveling guide off of Wowhead. My primary concern is about defensive stance, as I am primarily just tanking at Scarlet Monastery right now. You recommend always applying hamstring. I can't even use that ability in defensive stance unless I charged to a pack of mobs and applied it to each once before swapping to it. Currently I use demoralizing shout and I alternate between revenge and sunder whilst tabbing between targets. I just picked up the Ravager and it's been helping me with AOE threat gen inside the Monastery. What is my rotation really supposed to look like? I'm really confused. In the gameplay you show it doesn't even look like you're using defensive stance. How are you even taunting targets? I can't generate threat to save my life on a single target against a higher lvl DPS without using the taunt ability, let alone control an entire room. Is there something I'm just blatantly missing?
I am in defensive stance. You can’t see my stance bar over my camera. Hamstring more applies to open world leveling. I use taunt in some circumstances, but since I save rage in between pulls I’m able to hold threat on targets without relying on taunt.
Heroic strike queuing while dual wielding. The number one tip to speed up mob grinding and killing while questing. It is like everything we learned in 2019 was forgotten and everyone went back to the 2004 guides to remake their videos. If you are dungeon spamming or tanking go arms, if you are questing or grinding go DW fury and learn how to heroic strike que and cancel, pretty easy with a slow mainland and a swing timer. Even just DW with heroic striking will give lower average kill times than arms with a slow 2h. waiting 3.8 seconds to kill a mob with 50 health adds up massively when you kill thousands of mobs. 2H arms FEELS strong, but averages slower kills and has more downtime than fury (if HS queing)
@@Average1212 Not sure where you get people are waiting 3.8 seconds when you should be saving rage per every mob. Sounds like a made up statistic. Considering you also get a free auto after a sunder. Sure if you’re loaded with rage 24/7, buffed out, have amazing gear, then I can see your side. But for beginner players, fresh server, and not the greatest gear, nor it being end game. Nah. Add sweeping strikes into the mix as well with a good 2H, which pretty much everyone gets nowadays. Appreciate the info though!
@@frenziiii I see you don't understand how heroic strike queing works. The 3.8 seconds is your average recommended weapon speed 2 hander. you can simply time your average of 20 mobs to test how many times you have overkill on a slow 2h, or just barley don't kill it and have to wait 3.8 more seconds to do dps, and every time you miss you wait another 3.8 seconds. When heroic strike queing and canceling your offhand has your specials table hit chance, To explain this simply you hit more often generate more rage and average faster kills as you don't ever have to wait 3.8 seconds for a hit. Like I said this was all tested to death in 2019, shown over and over again that dw fury WITH heroic strike queing and canceling produced much much faster average kill times when questing or grinding. Whit is bis in PVP at 60 des not hold when leveling. This is like people recommending a slow 2h pre lvl 30.......... pre 30 avg weapon dps is the only thing that matters as you literally have no instants to benefit from a slow weapon and all the downsides of a slow weapon every time you miss. As I said 2004 leveling logic when we went over all this in 2019.
HS queuing is mid in all fairness and very overrated. Needing to consistently upgrade 2 weapons is a pain in the ass and the faster kills are offset by more downtime. Its simply not efficient and there's a reason why not a single one of the top warrior players are recommending HS queuing as a levelling specc, terrible on pvp as well. It was experimented with in 2019 but ultimately most warrior players recommend SS cleaving and HS kiting when solo levelling. And as a warrior with a slow 2h you shouldn't really be missing too much as you should be targeting mobs a level or 2 lower than you. By far the most efficient way to level a warrior is to go fury 2h pre 30. The early 5% crit from cruelty is insane early game and using a slow 2h is obviously preferable for hamstring kiting which is definitely the most efficient way to mitigate damage and reduce downtime and you can weave SA's and rends in between. Hamstring kiting is particularly strong on fresh servers as you'll often be competing with other players for mobs and so you will naturally have more space to manoeuvre. After 30 its arms all the way, sweeping strikes is the best levelling ability we get by far and MS is solid at 40. SS cleaving is super efficient, 2 mobs every other pull and minimal downtime. You're completely overlooking the fact that downtime is super important and that survivability is generally better than damage output. Also its classic - all warriors should be tanking when levelling regardless of spec. This whole "dps warrior only crew" that seems very common since fresh is just cringe and they need to learn their class.
Also your statement that “pre 30 avg weapon dps is the only matters as you literally have no instants to benefit from a slow weapon”. 1) Overpower is scaled with weapon damage and is one of the most powerful abilities you have and you get it at level 12. 2) survivability is much higher with 2h weapon since you can hamstring kite and not reduce your dps. In fact this is only more effective the slower your weapon is, as the difference in hit speed between you and the mob is more equalised than if you had a fast weapon. This means that the difference in your dps - mobs dps is higher the slower your weapon is (assuming same weapon dps ofc). 3) getting a 2h weapon upgrade is much easier than getting 2 1h weapon upgrades. 4) cleave is much more rage efficient with a 2h weapon than 1h weapons, so attacking more than 1 target at a time has higher rage efficiency, and ofc sweeping strikes is more effective with a 2h base damage. All of these points are definitely in favour of 2h… but at the end of the day, do whatever find fun - most average players won’t notice the difference between the kill times : downtime ratio in optimum dw vs 2h builds. They will just notice a difference in how it feels - and that preference is down to them. If they want survivability or cleaving, 2h is better - if they want slightly faster single target kills but take a lot more damage and assuming they have good 1h weapons, they can go for that.
@@jackmilligan550 I was actually going to edit my post and mention Overpower but you covered it. Its one of (if not) the best abilities in the entire game.
From a healer standpoint yeah you might have more damage / threat but when you dual wield or 2h tank you get hit like a TRUCK and that causes us to burn all our man's to spam heal you when you can avoid a large amount of that damage with a shield
Perhaps an issue in your groups then. I make sure I am geared and consumed appropriately. I am currently tanking all dungeons with my barbarian warrior, no chest piece, and dual wielding with no issues at all on my stream if you’d like to see. Thanks for watching.
@@slackerpope Should always use defensive stance for the most part unless you’re popping sweeping strikes and switching back. Reduced damage taken and increases threat generated. Thanks for watching.
Does not give another auto attack. In the video I worded it odd, but what was meant that it does not affect your auto swings, meaning yes, you get your auto attack after sunder. Thanks for watching.
@@frenziiii so whats the point of sunder armor then, heroic strike does damage and with talents u can reduce the rage cost, how is Sunder Armor better? if both skills dont have anything to do with basic attacks, and one does cost 15 rage and the other one may cost 12 rage, and one does damage and the other dont... i dont get it how i am supossed to level with sunder armor only sorry i just want to improve, thats why i am asking
@@ismaeldeleija8165 Never take the heroic strike reduced rage talent. Sunder armor reduces the enemies armor, meaning you do more damage on your attacks, plus more rage generation. It is far more beneficial than using Heroic strike. Only use heroic strike if your sunders are already on the target and you have excess rage to use.
@@ismaeldeleija8165 Keep in mind that when you use Heroic Strike, it's replacing your autoattack, so it actually prevents rage generation for that swing.
im level 20 ish right now, what else can i spend my rage on besides heroic strike? I might even have a decent amount of rage after the mob is at 50% with sunders up. What should i do then? Also, when leveling my weapon skill, i find that rend is good to spam cause it is cheaper rage cost than hamstring Edit: me noob, just realized hamstring is same ragecost as rend
@@frenziiii indeed. Thanks, buddy! I just died in hardcore and this will be a nice boon. Btw. I normally avoid any kind of guides, but this was really good and useful.
@@dpmesse I think possibly it's that Heroic Strike doesn't generate rage, but replaces one swing attack that would have otherwise. So Sunder Armor might not give an extra attack, but keeps your regular attacks going instead of replacing them with Heroic Stike.
@@Gladiatorat It was poorly worded. Does not grant an extra swing, but does not reset your swing timer on auto. So essentially, yes, you are getting an auto right after your sunder.
That sunder tip, i feel like i havnt cleared mobs ever as fast as ive done now. 2 sunders, ocationally 3 -> hamstring dead full rage onto next mob, bandage after every 4/5 mobs
Hi, im a war into the 40s in hardcore, have almost perfect gear, all SM (except ravager, ww axe, and RFD gear) I want to know when It would be viable to swap to fury 2h or fury dual wield
Not sure why you'd wanna switch as it makes weapon progression twice the pain, and is, generally, not better for levelling than arms. However, i've heard from a decent amount of sources that switching to DW Fury after you get Thrash Blade from the Maraudon quest, is a decent time to do it if you want to do it pre-60.
@@juansebastiant Wait until mid or late 40’s if you really want to. This allows you to get the main talents in Deathwish, Flurry, Enrage, Off hand Spec and Bloodthirst. Thanks for watching.
You say go 3 improved rend, so that means you are specing deep wounds, but do you go first 5 talent points in Cruelty? Or just all in arms? and cruelty after MS @ 40? also, do you straight up just take rend off your bars after lvl 22?
@@xjudoflip7381 I take the 3 rend early, it’s a massive difference in leveling early. There is nothing wrong with starting Cruelty first. If I know I’m getting whirlwind axe early with help. I go straight down to arms and get Sweeping Strikes right at 30.
@@Chabaaa If you’re a new player, I always suggest 2H arms build first. It’s safer/smoother and really lets you get a feel for warrior. Once you get more experienced and wanting to get into a mid-max state, or looking to theory craft. 2H Fury or DW fury.
@@xraggarixtwitch I have a recent video going over builds. Right now on Doomhowl I’m doing a dual wield, arms warrior. But that is just because I’m trying a challenge.
Obviously I'm only lvl 20 so Idk what's the main damage ability I'll be using but if I'm not supposed to use heroic strike, do I just use the rage on overpowers and sunder armor? And you seemed to indicate stacking sunders would give me more rage. Or maybe I misunderstood you because I didn't read that in the ability generated rage. Lastly overpower seems really random. Like ya once in awhile I can use it if the circumstances are met but that's it. Doesn't seem unreliable to not ever use heroic strike and hope an overpower will come up.
@@PhilipPaul-vw7hu Sunders make your auto attacks hit harder, which gives you more rage. If you have more than 80% rage, then use heroic strike. Your biggest learning curve for Warrior is how to maintain having rage so that you never charge or walk into a mob with no rage. Start with 1-2 sunders, auto attack, overpowers, heroic strike with excess rage.
@frenziiii But I thought you only got extra rage if your auto crit. So if it does more damage period you'll get more rage? So doing 100 damage will give me more rage than an auto that did 76 damage? And again. Overpower has prerequisites in order to use. So people say it's better but it barely comes up as usable. Sometimes I'll go multiple fights without it popping up once.
@ Only can use overpower on dodges. If you take the improved overpower talent it gives you a 50% chance to critical strike on it, that is huge. Yes, more damage, more rage.
I'm in mid 20s and feel rend makes a difference in my dps. I only use heroic strike if it's my last mob for a while or I really need to finish something cause I'm going to die lol, otherwise def a rage dump
@@kyleh7056 When you get good weapons. Arms 2H tanking up to 45-50 is pretty common. I’m doing a dual wield challenge at the moment, so I started at 20. But you see most people make the switch when they get Thrash Blade, or the Sword of Omen, Vanquisher sword combo if you’re horde. Go White.
@@frenziiii thanks, that makes sense. Is there a good way to sim your 2h vs dual wield output to know when your 1handers overtake the 2h damage or is a target dummy the only way? Making a hardcore run so want to make sure I get what info I can.
@@frenziiii You also miss less with 2 handed weapons, with 2 one handed weapons you use off hand one and that has increased miss chance compared to main, and in lower levels you have no hit chance as a warrior, unless you play human/orc and use swords/axes you will loose damage and even then you will miss more with 2 one handed wepaons, that's why it's better to use 2 handed weapons while leveling, because 2 handed weapons count as main hand weapons.
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Of course!
@@frenziiii after game released people should protest and didnt play warrior at all untill blizzard will fix problems.
one donkey with nick name indalamar made a video in beta where he kills 7-8 mobs 1 by 1 with potions and call it OP :D this is when my mage could pull 300mobs in mara and 1 pull full room lashers, 1 pull full room of elite satyrs.
blizzard didnt do sht for whole vanilla and TBC with pummel being on GCD while mage counterspell is not, warriors can gain rage for absorb till Wotlk, only one class that need to break absorbs with white autoattacks :D
stances did more harm to warrios, any other class barely need to change anyhting to use ability while warrior to use specific ability need to change stance and gear lol
changing stances waste almost all rage :D wich you dont gain for absorbs and can gain by charge ability that work only out of combat has 5y blinzone so rogues with their 70% slow can kite slow that dont need to waste 10 rage and gcd like hamstring for 50% slow ;) and max 25y range so mage can shovel counterspell in your face to make you in combat... you can get 10 rage but lose HP) you can buff 3% crit but you will eat 10% more damage you can buff 100% crit but will eat another 20% damage and share 30 min CD for 3 abilities :)) NCIE job blizzard. imagine mage to use frost bolt and blink needed to rebuff different mage armor and he will get some penalty for it, imagine iceblock and evocation shared CD and had 30min cooldown :D . GJ
Bro, you are an absolute warrior and a must-watch! I've checked out all your videos, and they're amazing! Can I make a request for your next guide? Could you do one on Fury? I'd love to know how to play it and what to focus on. Every time I switch to Fury, I lose interest because I’m not sure about the priorities or how to play it properly. Thanks so much for the awesome content-keep it up! 👊
@@mcnbowen thanks for the kind words! I’ll look into it
I second this
Oh man i was the heroic strike guy this changes everything
Your tips have genuinely helped me improve as a tank, many thanks!
@@NeverQuiteAlex huge!
brooo thank you man, just gotten into wow classic anniversary and this is great knowledge to help me as a human warrior haha. take some great british shmeckels :)
Thank you so much!
Anger Management actually generates rage, 1 per 3 seconds AFAIK. So its nice even in prolonged pulls. You can also cheese it a little by bloodraging after killing a mob and keeping that generation on.
I noticed you mentioned after 22 Rend is useless. What should be our rotation after Sunder Armor and Demo Shout?
Can we get an answer on this one? Very curious myself.
At 2 targets+ sweeping strike + cleave.
overpower (huge dmg)
with swordspecc/windfury you can spam hamstring for more overpower/extraswing proccs
40+ MS (Or bloodthirst i guess)
But mostly you just pool rage for the next pull, so you can get those sunder stacks up real quick. Thats also why execute can be kind of a trap while lvling. It dumps all your rage to most likely overkill a target. So you have to slowly get your rage back for sunders on the next mob, instead of instantly stacking it on global cd.
@@ederofempires8793 Can't rend also proc extra swings? I know it can proc overpower. If so, shouldn't you use rend instead of spamming hamstring if the target is already slowed, since they cost the same rage?
@@JokisenTontsa rend can be dodged for overpowers, but it has no initial hit dmg and refreshing dots in classic resetts ticktimer, so spamming rend deals no real dmg since the first tick comes after 3s. also i'm not sure if rend proccs windfury etc without the initial hit.
@@ederofempires8793you’re right it doesn’t, hamstring after as cleave
Thanks so much. Always been a war at heart, and it's great to hear these tops going into anniversary.
The sunder armor is insanely underrated ability while leveling. And no one talks about it. Most of the guides tells you to spam heroic strike which makes leveling incredibly inefficient. When I switched to sunder spam I noticed an incredible increase in my rage generation and an overall leveling speed
I'm confused about the "extra" white hit during sunder armor? I'm sundering but it ain't giving me any more hits. Does he mean that the armor decrease is equivalent to hitting the mob an extra time?
Yup same. Would also like an explanation. And how does using a 15 rage ability 'generate' rage?
@@Sen-xt5ojwhen you queue a heroic strike you cannot gain rage from the auto attack that it activates on. So a heroic strike is -15 rage but a sunder armor is -15 rage and then +Rage from auto attack. This little bit of extra rage adds up and also makes sure you have enough rage for Overpower/execute/revenge stuff like that.
it’s because he doesn’t know what he’s talking about lol
@@overwatchmanzania4045 read my explanation above. He is right he just doesn't explain it very well
What would you say the rotation would be in dungeons? is it the same?
Great video but i would like to add some minor tips if its ok.
For range weapon: If it doesnt give any stats, always use throwing weapons, they are the fastest to pull with and you can do some kiting in clutch situations with them.
Prot tanking: Read the talents in the prot tree and you'll find theres not much there to help you survive better than Arms or Fury when it comes to tanking, your shield is what will give you survivability and you can use that with fury and arms too. You need the extra threat from your arms or fury talents to hold aggro otherwise youre useless. If no one is hitting you, your extra survivability doesnt matter. Always have a macro for switching between weapons from dw/2h to 1h and shield.
I would like to share a neat trick for tanking that i havnt seen anywhere else. Use your bloodrage after youve pulled a pack, you will get extra threat since youre buffing yourself which can be quite powerful in early dungeons (aswell as just using battle shout or demo shout just to keep aggro on packs) and will make sure the whole pack comes to you on the pull incase someone is maube buffing themselves or a renew or something is ticking on you and so on
Wow, your content is amazing, I subbed instantly after watching this video. Can't wait to watch the other stuff you got and everything that is to come. 🔥
@@forceunleasher Thanks!!
I use rend... I know it's bad but i just like it.. especially if it ticks the mob into execute range or finishes off a running mob
real feels
I only use rend for pvp, it's terrible on mobs, execute is also terrible for leveling as it dumps ALL of your rage. I would only execute if the mob was potentially going to aggro others or for pvp otherwise it slows your leveling effectiveness.
@@joshuaphilbert7995 Agreed. Rend is useful to put on rogues and druids in PvP, so they have to use the Luffa when entering stealth again, or using vanish.
very short and useful guide ty very much!
No problem!
This video is exactly what I was looking for, tysm.
Nice vid thanks. Was a good refresher
Thanks so much for the tips. I appreciate it a lot. It’s awesome how you help players around the world so much.
@@tioterren7731 thanks for the kind words! ❤️
Great vid! Im a returning wow player as a rogue some 18 years ago. Decided to roll warrior this time. Your gyides have been amazing💪. We just need a macro vid now🙏
Really enjoying the content. Just dinged 40 and was following the Hamstring, 2-3 sunders before 50% and heroic strike when dumping rage. Now that I'm 40, I'm seeing conflicting strategies as the optimal rotation. DO I still Hamstring, do I still Sunder, is it efficient to Use WW on single mobs ever. If someone can provide the proper rotation, that would be greatly appreciated!
You have been such a great teacher in terms of helping me learning how to be a great tank at lower levels. I'm myself have been a Classic WoW player for over a decade, and tanking has always put me off with how confusing guides can be with conflicting views and such. I wanted a challenge this time and following your other low level tanking videos, I have had nothing but praise with even multiple people asking if I want to tank a dungeon they are doing and even being offered a raid spot for tanking.
However, I am a bit confused with end game raiding as I'm nearing there now (about to hit 50) whether to go sword+shield or fury tank at first. I'm being depended on a tanking spot for a guild and don't want to let them down. Any other videos you can recommend for end game pre-bis type warrior tanks for raiding? Or if not do you plan on doing a video going in depth with that?
Regardless, love the vibe and thought you put in your videos! Look forward to seeing more content from you!
Thanks for the kind words! That means a lot. I’m looking into doing a bunch of videos right now and that’s on my list. Just busy with work atm!
I recently lvled a warrior on Deviate Delight, and this info is 100% accurate.
My experience is 100% better playing my warrior after finding your videos! Thank you, I plan to tank asap now.
Thanks for the kind words! Glad you're enjoying the content.
The only problem I’ve found with these “non prot” warriors is that all they heard was “you don’t need to be prot to tank dungeons” and then turned your video off. They spam heroic strike, spam TC can’t hold aggro. Then when you say something they get all defensive, but details! Don’t lie. Thank you for the vid I just wish more warriors watched the hole thing 😝
What's crazy is warrior is my most played class but I only really picked ot up in dragon soul, always had a low level one as an alternative character, but he's as old as vanilla. Only got to like 10 before putting him on the bench, ty for your videos they're all great and helpful, I went 2 parry and 3 improved rend early on, since I plan to tank as arms till about the time I can duel wield properly (I think you said lvl 50 ish?)
Does white attack also applies right after hitting sunder armor with 2h-weapon?
@@frozencreep18 Sunder does not overlap your auto attack. So a white attack will always come after.
Can you plz make a full on guide for tanking/Lving as a warrior which spells you should buy when to use them or which spells you can ignore if you want give multiple choices if you can, do showcases of how spells should work and how to use them like I watched your quick guide to tanking and I didn't really understand the whole battle shout thing like can you pull with it or does it work after you pull? Idk I really wanna tank with a warrior but I just feel like no one has made a good guide for it, kinda sucks and we're in 2024 for a game that came out in 2004, there should be a good tanking guide by now and no one has made one but I get it could take a a lot of time so I get why someone wouldn't want to do it. PS and macros, gear every lil detail if possible lol.
I'm a bit confused by some of the points you made in this video. I'm brand new to WoW (Lvl 38 Warrior). Currently using the Arms warrior leveling guide off of Wowhead. My primary concern is about defensive stance, as I am primarily just tanking at Scarlet Monastery right now. You recommend always applying hamstring. I can't even use that ability in defensive stance unless I charged to a pack of mobs and applied it to each once before swapping to it. Currently I use demoralizing shout and I alternate between revenge and sunder whilst tabbing between targets. I just picked up the Ravager and it's been helping me with AOE threat gen inside the Monastery. What is my rotation really supposed to look like? I'm really confused. In the gameplay you show it doesn't even look like you're using defensive stance. How are you even taunting targets? I can't generate threat to save my life on a single target against a higher lvl DPS without using the taunt ability, let alone control an entire room. Is there something I'm just blatantly missing?
I am in defensive stance. You can’t see my stance bar over my camera. Hamstring more applies to open world leveling.
I use taunt in some circumstances, but since I save rage in between pulls I’m able to hold threat on targets without relying on taunt.
@@frenziiii Okay thanks. I guess It's just difficult to tab and sunder large pulls.
Heroic strike queuing while dual wielding. The number one tip to speed up mob grinding and killing while questing.
It is like everything we learned in 2019 was forgotten and everyone went back to the 2004 guides to remake their videos.
If you are dungeon spamming or tanking go arms, if you are questing or grinding go DW fury and learn how to heroic strike que and cancel, pretty easy with a slow mainland and a swing timer.
Even just DW with heroic striking will give lower average kill times than arms with a slow 2h. waiting 3.8 seconds to kill a mob with 50 health adds up massively when you kill thousands of mobs.
2H arms FEELS strong, but averages slower kills and has more downtime than fury (if HS queing)
@@Average1212 Not sure where you get people are waiting 3.8 seconds when you should be saving rage per every mob. Sounds like a made up statistic. Considering you also get a free auto after a sunder.
Sure if you’re loaded with rage 24/7, buffed out, have amazing gear, then I can see your side. But for beginner players, fresh server, and not the greatest gear, nor it being end game. Nah.
Add sweeping strikes into the mix as well with a good 2H, which pretty much everyone gets nowadays. Appreciate the info though!
@@frenziiii I see you don't understand how heroic strike queing works.
The 3.8 seconds is your average recommended weapon speed 2 hander. you can simply time your average of 20 mobs to test how many times you have overkill on a slow 2h, or just barley don't kill it and have to wait 3.8 more seconds to do dps, and every time you miss you wait another 3.8 seconds.
When heroic strike queing and canceling your offhand has your specials table hit chance, To explain this simply you hit more often generate more rage and average faster kills as you don't ever have to wait 3.8 seconds for a hit.
Like I said this was all tested to death in 2019, shown over and over again that dw fury WITH heroic strike queing and canceling produced much much faster average kill times when questing or grinding. Whit is bis in PVP at 60 des not hold when leveling.
This is like people recommending a slow 2h pre lvl 30.......... pre 30 avg weapon dps is the only thing that matters as you literally have no instants to benefit from a slow weapon and all the downsides of a slow weapon every time you miss.
As I said 2004 leveling logic when we went over all this in 2019.
HS queuing is mid in all fairness and very overrated. Needing to consistently upgrade 2 weapons is a pain in the ass and the faster kills are offset by more downtime. Its simply not efficient and there's a reason why not a single one of the top warrior players are recommending HS queuing as a levelling specc, terrible on pvp as well. It was experimented with in 2019 but ultimately most warrior players recommend SS cleaving and HS kiting when solo levelling. And as a warrior with a slow 2h you shouldn't really be missing too much as you should be targeting mobs a level or 2 lower than you.
By far the most efficient way to level a warrior is to go fury 2h pre 30. The early 5% crit from cruelty is insane early game and using a slow 2h is obviously preferable for hamstring kiting which is definitely the most efficient way to mitigate damage and reduce downtime and you can weave SA's and rends in between. Hamstring kiting is particularly strong on fresh servers as you'll often be competing with other players for mobs and so you will naturally have more space to manoeuvre. After 30 its arms all the way, sweeping strikes is the best levelling ability we get by far and MS is solid at 40. SS cleaving is super efficient, 2 mobs every other pull and minimal downtime. You're completely overlooking the fact that downtime is super important and that survivability is generally better than damage output.
Also its classic - all warriors should be tanking when levelling regardless of spec. This whole "dps warrior only crew" that seems very common since fresh is just cringe and they need to learn their class.
Also your statement that “pre 30 avg weapon dps is the only matters as you literally have no instants to benefit from a slow weapon”.
1) Overpower is scaled with weapon damage and is one of the most powerful abilities you have and you get it at level 12.
2) survivability is much higher with 2h weapon since you can hamstring kite and not reduce your dps. In fact this is only more effective the slower your weapon is, as the difference in hit speed between you and the mob is more equalised than if you had a fast weapon. This means that the difference in your dps - mobs dps is higher the slower your weapon is (assuming same weapon dps ofc).
3) getting a 2h weapon upgrade is much easier than getting 2 1h weapon upgrades.
4) cleave is much more rage efficient with a 2h weapon than 1h weapons, so attacking more than 1 target at a time has higher rage efficiency, and ofc sweeping strikes is more effective with a 2h base damage.
All of these points are definitely in favour of 2h… but at the end of the day, do whatever find fun - most average players won’t notice the difference between the kill times : downtime ratio in optimum dw vs 2h builds. They will just notice a difference in how it feels - and that preference is down to them. If they want survivability or cleaving, 2h is better - if they want slightly faster single target kills but take a lot more damage and assuming they have good 1h weapons, they can go for that.
@@jackmilligan550 I was actually going to edit my post and mention Overpower but you covered it. Its one of (if not) the best abilities in the entire game.
From a healer standpoint yeah you might have more damage / threat but when you dual wield or 2h tank you get hit like a TRUCK and that causes us to burn all our man's to spam heal you when you can avoid a large amount of that damage with a shield
Perhaps an issue in your groups then. I make sure I am geared and consumed appropriately. I am currently tanking all dungeons with my barbarian warrior, no chest piece, and dual wielding with no issues at all on my stream if you’d like to see.
Thanks for watching.
Question: If I am tanking PUGs as Arms should I still be using Defensive Stance for the extra threat generation?
@@slackerpope Should always use defensive stance for the most part unless you’re popping sweeping strikes and switching back.
Reduced damage taken and increases threat generated. Thanks for watching.
I'm going to be a rebel and use heroic strike (from levels 1-8 when i get hamstring)
Big if true
what’s the addon that says in chat “immobilized for 10sec” example 1:45
It is a weakaura!
sunder will play an attack animation but it does not give another auto attack
Does not give another auto attack. In the video I worded it odd, but what was meant that it does not affect your auto swings, meaning yes, you get your auto attack after sunder. Thanks for watching.
@@frenziiii so whats the point of sunder armor then, heroic strike does damage and with talents u can reduce the rage cost, how is Sunder Armor better? if both skills dont have anything to do with basic attacks, and one does cost 15 rage and the other one may cost 12 rage, and one does damage and the other dont... i dont get it how i am supossed to level with sunder armor only
sorry i just want to improve, thats why i am asking
@@ismaeldeleija8165 Never take the heroic strike reduced rage talent. Sunder armor reduces the enemies armor, meaning you do more damage on your attacks, plus more rage generation.
It is far more beneficial than using Heroic strike. Only use heroic strike if your sunders are already on the target and you have excess rage to use.
@@ismaeldeleija8165 Keep in mind that when you use Heroic Strike, it's replacing your autoattack, so it actually prevents rage generation for that swing.
Great video thanks! What's your take on professions, is blacksmithing a must?
@@RobadobWiiPlaya Not for hardcore. HC or PvP you’ll want Engi/Mining. Blacksmith is fine for PvE or if you’re playing SF.
im level 20 ish right now, what else can i spend my rage on besides heroic strike? I might even have a decent amount of rage after the mob is at 50% with sunders up. What should i do then?
Also, when leveling my weapon skill, i find that rend is good to spam cause it is cheaper rage cost than hamstring
Edit: me noob, just realized hamstring is same ragecost as rend
24 warr atm finds me doing TCs after sunders rend hamstring etc.
What do u mean with ‚ u get a autohit with sunder armor‘ ? U mean when they evade u get overload?
Sunder doesn’t overlap your auto. So after your sunder, your auto will come. I know I worded it weird.
I didn't know that info about sunder!
I was just gonna say the same thing!
It’s a game changer!
@@frenziiii indeed. Thanks, buddy! I just died in hardcore and this will be a nice boon. Btw. I normally avoid any kind of guides, but this was really good and useful.
@@dpmesse I think possibly it's that Heroic Strike doesn't generate rage, but replaces one swing attack that would have otherwise. So Sunder Armor might not give an extra attack, but keeps your regular attacks going instead of replacing them with Heroic Stike.
@@Gladiatorat It was poorly worded. Does not grant an extra swing, but does not reset your swing timer on auto. So essentially, yes, you are getting an auto right after your sunder.
good tip on throw weapon, I didn't know Trolls got it free. Super helpful to know that make my decision to go troll even easier.
@@MDSROCK3 if you’re a mid maxer, their berserking racial is bis for generating threat. Thanks for watching!
That sunder tip, i feel like i havnt cleared mobs ever as fast as ive done now. 2 sunders, ocationally 3 -> hamstring dead full rage onto next mob, bandage after every 4/5 mobs
@@Hammdog glad it helped!
I hope this video mentioned carryover a spirit set
Hi, im a war into the 40s in hardcore, have almost perfect gear, all SM (except ravager, ww axe, and RFD gear) I want to know when It would be viable to swap to fury 2h or fury dual wield
Not sure why you'd wanna switch as it makes weapon progression twice the pain, and is, generally, not better for levelling than arms. However, i've heard from a decent amount of sources that switching to DW Fury after you get Thrash Blade from the Maraudon quest, is a decent time to do it if you want to do it pre-60.
@@juansebastiant Wait until mid or late 40’s if you really want to. This allows you to get the main talents in Deathwish, Flurry, Enrage, Off hand Spec and Bloodthirst. Thanks for watching.
At what level would you start dual wielding in arms spec?
@@impressivelawncare5843 If you’re going to dual wield arms you can start at 20 if you have good weps. I don’t switch to fury until into the 40s.
You say go 3 improved rend, so that means you are specing deep wounds, but do you go first 5 talent points in Cruelty? Or just all in arms? and cruelty after MS @ 40?
also, do you straight up just take rend off your bars after lvl 22?
@@xjudoflip7381 I take the 3 rend early, it’s a massive difference in leveling early. There is nothing wrong with starting Cruelty first.
If I know I’m getting whirlwind axe early with help. I go straight down to arms and get Sweeping Strikes right at 30.
Hi, great video! Would you say that its better to dual wield or to use a 2h?
@@Chabaaa If you’re a new player, I always suggest 2H arms build first. It’s safer/smoother and really lets you get a feel for warrior.
Once you get more experienced and wanting to get into a mid-max state, or looking to theory craft. 2H Fury or DW fury.
Sunders super underrated. Do your Sunders!
Very helpful video thank you bro
Great video! Can you share your spec you are runnig, or does it work with "regilar arms"?
@@xraggarixtwitch I have a recent video going over builds. Right now on Doomhowl I’m doing a dual wield, arms warrior. But that is just because I’m trying a challenge.
great video man ty
Thanks for watching!
what name plate addon are you using?
Plater. Great, simple addon and can customize a ton.
I am lvl 35 and i didnt took rend at all,just pressing sunders,hamstring and Demo roar,also execute is trap ability most of the times 😊
Obviously I'm only lvl 20 so Idk what's the main damage ability I'll be using but if I'm not supposed to use heroic strike, do I just use the rage on overpowers and sunder armor?
And you seemed to indicate stacking sunders would give me more rage. Or maybe I misunderstood you because I didn't read that in the ability generated rage.
Lastly overpower seems really random. Like ya once in awhile I can use it if the circumstances are met but that's it. Doesn't seem unreliable to not ever use heroic strike and hope an overpower will come up.
@@PhilipPaul-vw7hu Sunders make your auto attacks hit harder, which gives you more rage.
If you have more than 80% rage, then use heroic strike. Your biggest learning curve for Warrior is how to maintain having rage so that you never charge or walk into a mob with no rage.
Start with 1-2 sunders, auto attack, overpowers, heroic strike with excess rage.
@frenziiii But I thought you only got extra rage if your auto crit. So if it does more damage period you'll get more rage? So doing 100 damage will give me more rage than an auto that did 76 damage?
And again. Overpower has prerequisites in order to use. So people say it's better but it barely comes up as usable. Sometimes I'll go multiple fights without it popping up once.
@ Only can use overpower on dodges. If you take the improved overpower talent it gives you a 50% chance to critical strike on it, that is huge.
Yes, more damage, more rage.
@frenziiii Understood.
been saying it for years, rend has so much value up until about 22. so many people parroted that rend is useless as a warrior .
I don’t know why I can’t do it, but I got to 36 and fell off a cliff. And every warrior since I haven’t got over 20 lol.
@@lostchapters9359 30-40 is that burn out phase for a lot of people! I get the same way whenever I play Hunter.
Good video!
Thank you!
Right to the point ! Thank you ! Less is More !
You got it!
I like prot at low level i can face tank multiple packs so mages and locks can aoe instead of range pulling slow.
Am i gimping myself too hard going Nelf instead of Human? I like the nelf female animations more than human
@@GiggaGMikeE it’s whatever you want to play. Human racials are just to good for Warrior though.
Does this mean i should level up Sunder whenever i have the chance? Other guides suggest leaving it at level 1
You learn Sunder Armor after you do your level 10 warrior quest. Thanks for watching!
@ Yeah, I know. I mean, you can level up (like level 1, 2, 3, etc.) with your warrior trainer. I’m asking about that part and thanks for the video!
@@dpmesse Thank you for explaining that. Sorry didn’t catch what you meant @kiberslave300
@@dpmesse okay thanks very much!
@@kiberslave300 Absolutely get the upgrades! He explained it well below. Sorry didn’t know what you meant exactly!
Epic. Thank you
You bet
I'm in mid 20s and feel rend makes a difference in my dps. I only use heroic strike if it's my last mob for a while or I really need to finish something cause I'm going to die lol, otherwise def a rage dump
Rend can feel like a difference, but using that rage toward a sunder, the extra damage you get from that from autos will surpass the rend.
@frenziiii what about with hamstring kiting?
I didn’t know sunder trigger attack swings regardless of swing time. You sure?
@@Sufian12341 Your auto that is queued will come after the sunder. I apologize, I made it sound a little confusing in the video.
When would you recommend making the transition from 2h to dual wield tanking?
P.S. Go green
@@kyleh7056 When you get good weapons. Arms 2H tanking up to 45-50 is pretty common.
I’m doing a dual wield challenge at the moment, so I started at 20. But you see most people make the switch when they get Thrash Blade, or the Sword of Omen, Vanquisher sword combo if you’re horde.
Go White.
@@frenziiii thanks, that makes sense. Is there a good way to sim your 2h vs dual wield output to know when your 1handers overtake the 2h damage or is a target dummy the only way?
Making a hardcore run so want to make sure I get what info I can.
@@kyleh7056 The discord “Fight Club” has tons, and tons of information, graphs, simulators, anything you could ask for when it comes to warriors.
Intresting about overpower
What’s the berserker challenge can I see it lol
@@pizzaratlord Similar to the barbarian challenge. I’m doing no chest, dual wield only and no professions.
you have two castbars on each enemy nameplate
@@dimxbvg Yup. Helps me pay attention. Thanks for watching.
Just tank while leveling it’s hard to learn at first but very rewarding
Nice video
Glad you enjoyed it!
You mean while leveling on dungeons or in open world? Because to use sunder armor you have to be on defensive stance snd doing 10% less damage
I can’t tell if you’re trolling. Sunder can be used in all stances. Thanks for watching!
@frenziiii lol just realized, so whats better for leveling, dual welding or a 2hander?
@@mrbombastic6478 2H is easiest/smoothest
@@frenziiii
You also miss less with 2 handed weapons, with 2 one handed weapons you use off hand one and that has increased miss chance compared to main, and in lower levels you have no hit chance as a warrior, unless you play human/orc and use swords/axes you will loose damage and even then you will miss more with 2 one handed wepaons, that's why it's better to use 2 handed weapons while leveling, because 2 handed weapons count as main hand weapons.
Nice job
Thanks Chad!
So take heroic strike off my bar?
No. Only use it when you’re above 80% rage and have nothing else to press.
Frenzi rules
Thanks for the kind words!
Leveling arms!!! yes! ihate ppl who think because fury is good end game its good to level with.. NO.. that imp overpower is a carry!
biggest tip: don't tank dungeons with people you don't know
@@Qedo.T Eh. I do it all the time on stream. Sometimes you have to. Thanks for watching.
Go Green
@@gingyfrog792 Go white
so apparently i just suck at warrior LOL
@@combat0998 Always time to turn it around!
@@frenziiii yep spamming sunder armor RN. although i need to change from fury to arms now lol not sure the best talents