This scene is so sad, especially when Claire saying the amount of time needed to forget Jaime doesn’t exist. For Frank, Claire is his Jaime. That’s why he took her back after she disappeared and never gave up hope she’d return. While I love Claire and Jaime together, Frank’s life (at least in the show) was wasted loving a woman who loved someone else while also raising that man’s child who served as a constant reminder of him.
exactly .. the difference between Frank and Jamie was like night and day ... Jamie would literally kill for Claire ... I don't think I could say the same about Frank
@@MsJimmysgirl the difference is that Jaime kept frank alive in their relationship and they mentioned him a lot. Frank tried to completely erase Jamie and even burnt Claire’s clothes from that time. He could accept ALL of her including her experiences without him instead of allowing her to talk and grieve about it.
They ruined each other's lives and I felt terrible about Frank, he was pretty amazing, amorous, totally a gentleman. His only mistake was that he was deeply in love with Claire and Brianna and he could never escape about his feelings.
In my opinion frank have an affair but this was when she was disappeared so for me it’s justified. And when he get her wife back he finds that her wife it’s in love with someone else so he broken. And when he try to forget about that and trying to be happy Claire. Tell him that they have a separate marriage so for me this affair. It’s justified because he was afraid and sandy Counsells him
What a devastating scene to watch. I have no doubt that Claire truly loved Frank, but thrust into circumstances no one could’ve imagined or predicted, they were stuck in a toxic orbit around Brianna with this cavernous despair quietly consuming them. Frank was such a good man, but always felt betrayed that Claire couldn’t extinguish her love for Jamie. My heart breaks for them both.
In the video you can see Frank's voice catch when he says "I want to spend the rest of my life with a woman who loves me." In the books, Frank was diagnosed with a terminal illness and knew that he was going to die within the next few years (the car accident was unexpected and sped things up). Frank intended to take Bree to England to lead her to finding out the truth about her real father. Frank knew that Bree would one day go to the past and spent most of her childhood preparing her for the past: teaching her how to shoot a gun, hunt animals, etc. It was a terrible situation Claire and Frank were put in, but they made the most out of it for Bree's sake. Part of the reason why Frank stays with Claire for so long is because he didn't want her to make the impossible decision to choose between Jamie and Brianna. If they divorced, Frank was afraid that Claire would leave Brianna and Frank to go back to Jamie. Frank didn't want to take the chance and so stayed with her until Brianna was old enough (18 years old). He knew Claire would return to Jamie one day and he gave Claire the freedom to more easily choose. I loved Frank's character and the complexities of this relationship!
@@jennaheroldin6659in one of the most recent books, Brianna discovers evidence that Frank was aware Jaime was still alive and that Brianna would travel back in time.
I'm not far enough into the story yet, so can anyone tell me whether Frank ever finds out about Claire's horrors with Black Jack Randall and that he looks identical?
@@rowanaforrest9792 he does, although we never get a direct scene. Bri finds a letter saying that frank will research him no more because he was not the man he thought he was
Though I’m completely on Claire’s side of the argument here, when Frank asks that question I do feel sorry for him, because it becomes clear that when he took her back twenty years ago, he thought Claire could call back in love with him after a while. All he ever had to do was ask her, and she would have made it clear that it wasn’t possible, but to see his heart break again that final time is gut wrenching.
Well, He says that Brianna can decide, but he already decided for her. The trip to England is not a suggestion, it is a decision that he has already taken, without consulting Brianna or Claire .In addition, Brianna doesn't know Sandy and suddenly now she is going to live with her and leave her mother in another country. Frank looks a little insensitive and dominant here.Frank wants to do things his way and could make them easier: first divorce, then introduce Sandy to Brianna and then invite Brianna to live with them. He could have given Claire and Brianna time to accept the changes. But no.
LJO 1977 Yes, and that is why I’m completely on Claire’s side, because what Frank is doing is over the line in so many ways, as you say - but I also pity him in that moment
@@liol3409 If Frank had gotten the divorce earlier what was to stop Claire from taking Brianna and skipping town? The courts weren't really big on men's parental rights back then, Frank would have stood NO chance of getting custody. And Frank is right. If Brianna doesn't want to go, she doesn't have to. But both Claire and Frank know that at this point in her life Brianna will choose Frank every time.
@@xaviervega468 The ethical justifications for Frank's actions are not given by Brianna's reaction. Also, if you saw Chapter 7 of season 4, Brianna didn't have her decision so clear and that she didn't know that living with Sandy was part of the arrangement. No one criticizes Frank's intention of wanting to have a home with Brianna and Sandy, the problem is how he poses it. He doesn't give Claire or Brianna time to take over the changes.
Xavier Vega complete obvious why would she choose frank over her mum when her mums staying put . She wouldn’t leave before graduating that’s dumb of frank to think that and besides that all her friends are in Boston she knows no one in England at all . And most courts back then sided with the mother than father and frank is stepfather at best no reason for bree to not stay with the mother she loves
These two when getting into arguments is top-notch acting. It's almost like you are not watching actors but eavesdropping on a couple having a real argument.
Watching this makes me miss Season 1-2 Claire where she still loved Frank. I still have yet to finish the book, but in the show I feel quite sorry for him.
Its not about whether she loved Frank, she always loved Frank, he was her first love. She'll always hold a special place in her heart for him, hence why she still wanted to protect his existence in the past despite now loving Jamie because it was neither of their fault this situation happened. Obviously its easier said going back and thinking things will be the same. Its just tragic that they didn't try a little harder to work it out.
I love Claire, Jamie and Claire forever. And while I understand, the anger in the scene she has been incredibly unfair to Frank. Has been a good father to a child who was not his, provided for and still loved his wife while Claire has existed in this time with 1 foot in the door having to settle. Where as frank stuck out being in a marriage that he was not the first choice (ironically) until Brianna was grown. Claire really doesn’t have a leg to stand on here. Especially when she brought up adultery… and then instantly said you can’t prove it,...despite the fact that you could just look at Brianna.... But I do love outlander for the fact that they treat their characters as people full and complexed rather than just characters. Especially love how Frank was an alpha male in his own right and a good man instead of reduced to a cliche. Brilliantly acted by both parties
You said it perfectly. Frank was a deeply caring man. I really did cry at Tobias' last episode where Bree see's his apparition in the past. He deserved his second chance at happiness too.
In the book "Voyager": Chapter 19; "To Lay A Ghost" Frank also accuses Clair of having an affair with Joe Abernathy and told her that everyone thinks so because she and Joe spent so much time together. Almost a full page is devoted to his racial prejudice ranting about why Clair always invites the Abernathys to their social functions and parties referring to "those sorts of people" at which point Claire asks "Black people, I suppose you mean?" Then he thinks Claire is "dragging" Brianna into dangerous situations by associating with black people. Then Frank tells Claire that al least with him Briannna won't end up "f____g" a black man! Frank sees Brianna being friends with Joe's son (which they are just friends) but this bothers Frank. Yep, Frank was laying that prejudice on thick in the books.
malvinia wyatt blalock yep I felt he was rather racist and selfish here ! What kind of man takes a daughter away from their mother low blow frank and she wasn't going to want to leave Boston anyway !
I was disappointed at some of the relationships here in the show compared to the book. Frank and her are different. And the most upsetting was her and Jenny. I was expecting the teary amazing reunion between her and Jenny and instead got a lot of arguments and pent up anger. I do love this TV series but I wish the same amount of effort would go into the making of the other relationships that go into making her and Jamie's.
Unhealthy Obession I meant in the book not the show he accuses her of having an affair with dr Joe Abernathy her African American colleague in a very bigoted racist way .
It's quite cruel that he wants to take the daughter to another continent with a woman Brianna does not know. Frank shows that Brianna's feelings do not interest him either. He could make things simpler. First divorce, then introduce Sandy and then invite Brianna to live with them in England. But no, he wants things to be done his way and that was the real problem with his relationship with Claire. She could never find a supportive companion in Frank. Despite being a modern and educated man, he just wanted a housewife. With Frank, Claire languishes. With Jamie, she shines. Imagine the scene of the red dress with Frank. No way. That's the reason why she couldn't forget Jamie and love Frank again. Jamie made her feel powerful. That feeling could not be felt with Frank
LJO 1977 very well said ! To me it’s with frank she’s restrained almost caged with her emotions for fear of upsetting him . With Jamie she is her true self flaws and all and it’s because of the selfless love he has also his compassion , empathy and kindness . It is a real soulmate connection . Look at the final chapter of DOA where Brianna is talking to roger about how she wants their marriage to be using Claire’s marriages as examples she doesn’t want one like frank and Claire’s which she says is one of obligation and duty . She wants one more like Jamie and Claire’s one of love and equality . Her words not mine , bear in mind she has only observed Claire and Jamie for less than a year at the time and grown up in the other marriage so her words speak volumes .
I don’t think Frank wanted her to be just a housewife. He did “ allow” her to be a doctor. He was resentful of that the fact that she disappeared for 3 years, only to return and never love him again. He wanted the Claire that loved him with passion as she did before she went through the stones. Can’t fault him for that. ( I am referring to tv Frank, book Frank was something else)
Ariel H I think he’s a self centered arsehole sorry but he is and weak and a wimp it’s all about me me me with him he doesn’t deserve nor can he handle the strong independent thinking woman Claire is regardless if it wasn’t Jamie someone else would’ve torn their marriage apart
@@michelleflood8220 then how did he marry her in the first place? He was able to handle her just fine before she disappeared and came back with another mans child.
We find out later that he knew she went back to Jamie after he received her obituary dated sometime in the 1770s when he asked for a divorce. He knew he wanted his own life at that point. Brianna was old enough to make her own decisions at that point.
I felt bad for Frank. He was a good man that wasted his life on a raw deal. I wonder if part of the reason she couldnt love him anymore was because when she saw him, she saw Captain Randle.
Randall was certainly part of the reason. I genuinely believe that Frank and Claire could have talked it all out, and worked things out. Claire would have realised that she didn't need to fear Frank at all, because he takes after Alex (his real ancestor), not Black Jack. And Frank would maybe have realised that Jamie was just doing what anyone in love would have done, and that he gave Frank and Claire a child. One that Frank himself could never have had, since he was sterile.
Frank was good man... He met his death inhappily. But he could not love Claire that much the way James does. Well Frank had Claire with him for some years before she went to the stones and had her still for another 20 yeara after she returned; infact claire was with Frank for most of her blossom days of her life but she didnot felt that strong bond of love with him which she found in James. Frank once claimed he loved her unconditionally but went furious when he learned the child was not his despite knowing himself he cannot become a father because of his medical problems. Eventually he love Brianna like his own daughter but he forced Claire to leave her past (James) behind and warned her to never speak of it or of Jamie ever again. Frank fid learned that Claire may returned to Jamie but he ignored it and ignored Claire and her way. In a way, Frank did loved Claire but he could not give his life to Claire, he did not acccep Claire of who she has becaome after the stones' story, a part of him and his heart filled with obsession and envious... If he could have really loved Claire more than anything he could have had a happy marriage life, He would not have commited adultry and he would have never gone into an intention of getting divorce on Claire. And we cannot blamed Claire for loving Jamie so much. She too had left Jamie and accepted her fate to save their daughter as a vow given to him. She tried and fell back into Frank who never allowed her to talked about Jamie again. May be that one of the reasons she could not feel the freedom to liberate the pains the already carried.. James had Claire for only three years before Culloden War. He risked his life from very beginning just to make sure she was safe and hid his feelings about her. He accepted Claire in everyway she was and she is. He would die for her many times and let her live. He listenned to Claire when she talked of anything without ignorance, about Frank, about herself. He allready forgiven Claire before she would apologize. He had nevr had a good life ever since Claire disappeared. But He love her still in his heart and he would sacrifice for her again if he have to. And most he still love her so strong when she came back after 20 years. James' love for Claire is powerful and so strong that even Claire herself cannot describe. Thus, they deserved each other. They went through so much pains and hardtimes during wars and battles and the challenges that stood infront of them. But they fought hard and they always fought together and they will fight still. It's time to let them love and live happily...
I believe Frank is paying for Black Jack’s karmic debut. Frank couldn’t have children so he ends up raising Jamie’s child. Alex’s illness ; Black Jack’s brother was a karmic debt situation as well a good guy who suffered with sickness. Those in Black Jacks family line payed for his inhuman behavior.
It was hard for me not to be pissed at Claire during this storyline. Like, yeah Frank’s vanilla pudding to Jaime’s chocolate mousse, but GIRL! This guy just wants to be a good dad and a good husband. Lay off a little! He could’ve ditched the second Claire said she was pregnant, but he hung out! Bonded with Brianna! He was a good dude! And don’t come at me with “he cheated.” Claire HARDCORE cheated first.
Frank raised a child that isn’t even his. He cares so much for Brianna and rarely any guy like that would do so. Frank was much more closer to Bree and it shows. She cares about her dad (Frank) even after she found out the truth about Jamie. You have to know that Claire broke him a lot and he’s had enough of it, but he’ll still love Brianna.
Well, it's quite cruel that he wants to take her daughter to another continent with a woman Brianna doesn't know. Frank shows that Brianna's feelings don't interest him either. He could make things simpler. First divorce, then introduce Sandy and then invite Brianna to live with them in England. He says that Brianna can decide, but he already decided for her. It is not a suggestion, it is a decision he has already made, without consulting Brianna or Claire.
@@liol3409 Frank did that because he knows that Claire is going to die in the fire with Jamie at Fraser's Ridge. That was the whole reason for the divorce. He waited until Bri graduated from high school. If Frank didnt died in that car accident, him and Claire was eventually gonna sit down with Bri and explain the whole situation about Jamie to her.
Soni Eloïse no they wouldn’t have because frank made Claire keep Jamie a secret from Brianna her whole life he made it a condition of their marriage so doubt that would’ve happened . He put the stone up thinking she might take bree to Scotland and find out that way but frank wouldn’t have mentioned Jamie to bree because he wanted her to think of him alone as a father so to me that’s self centered and selfish of him . To me that’s the major difference between him and Jamie and the way they love Claire franks way is selfish and narcissistic , jamie and for that matter Brianna’s is selfless , compassionate and shows more respect and empathy than frank
I still consider frank the most honorable man(yes including Jamie). He tried his best in an impossible situation and loved a child that wasn’t his and went through torment for years. And when he finally wanted to stop living a lie and be truly happy he died
I can understand both sides and it is difficult for both. I think in the long run if Claire had brought up Brianna without Frank it would have made her happier, it would have been difficult for both but then there wouldn't be this issue. But then Brianna would have never had a father and I think that was what was most important. That Brianna was taken care of.
Daniella Whanger yes I feel it's two people who no longer love each other as Claire has already met her soulmate but they make the most of a bad situation for brees sake but I think bree from a young age maybe eleven or so could see her parents didn't love each other and we're living seperate lives albeit under the same roof !
"Without that constant reminder, (Read Brianna looks just like Jamie) might you have forgotten him with time?" "that amount of time doesn't exist" See this is where I lose sympathy for Frank he lived as he wanted to for 20 years Claire OFFERED him an out and he said no and then when Bree is nearly grown and he still tries to "Take her away" and I think what stings the most for him is there was always a part of him that was waiting and Hoping that HIS Claire would forget about Jamie and come back there's a line Jamie says at the end of the 4th book "I'm a jealous man but not a vengeful one, I'd take you from him my Sassenach. But I'd not take him from you." That's what makes Jamie a better man. Frank Tried so hard for so long with the wish that never saying his name would take Jamie from Claire Wow that was an essay
This scene is very heartbreaking for both characters,both of them destroyed and long for a love that was lost in the past...Frank for so many years hoping that Claire will eventually heal and come back like it was during 1945 when she was still in love with him,while Claire was unable to forget and continue to love Jamie through the memories that affected her present life,both of them were unable to move on and can't grasp the present. The acting in this scene is very moving,Tobias and Cait really nailed this scene.
I feel bad for Frank, he was a good man, but Claire didn't try to go to the past. They were thrown into a precarious situation and handled it the best they could. But trying to take her daughter away...
She was his daughter too in every way that counts. And like Frank said, he's not taking Bree anywhere, he's gonna let her make that choice. He's just confident that Bree will choose to go with him. And for good reason, Frank did the heavy lifting in raising her.
Aimee Robinson I think it's like his four or five times great grandfather is Alex not sure but yes bJr is his multiple times great granduncle not grandfather take it from someone who knows all about how to do genealogy!
Cassandra765 I do feel frank is more like Alex Randall than he's given credit for but you can't blame him for leaving but bit hard for Claire to forget jamie when she has a daughter who resembles him so strongly isn't it . They were pretty much living seperate lives anyway before this , what I didn't like was that sandy woman attacking Claire at the wake little did she know he was leaving Claire for her !
I don't blame him for leaving. It's more the way he went about it that bothers me. His behavior in this scene felt so petty and vengeful and I feel like that's unfair considering Claire had already offered him a divorce.
Cassandra765 true she did offer even before bree was born but he chose to stay but he still could have left before she was grown and still see him he loved bree is why he didn't take her up on it !
I think trying to convince Brianna to go to England with him is Frank's way of punishing Claire for not loving him all those years. He practically says it when he saying, "You can't look at her without thinking of him." Love Frank and he did get the short end of the stick, but what an asshole move.
Only reason he didn't was because he would have lost Brianna. The courts didn't really favor men's parental rights in those days, and he didn't trust Claire not to take Brianna and leave.
He never stopped loving her but is was a selfish love rooted in need to possess and control and fear of loss , Jamie loved her with pure passion it was selfless and freeing
LOL what???? Frank is the one that raised another man's baby for 20 years. All Frank wanted was for Claire to love him like she did before she disappeared. But Claire couldn't do it because she was in love with Jamie.
You know, if he had married his blonde student, she would just be in the same position he is in now. And Claire would be his Jaime. The cycle would never have been broken.
If only he didn’t look like the monster. They would’ve had a happy marriage. Perhaps Claire should have experimented with some professional help to forget the monster and recognize Frank for the wonderful man he is.
Since returning from 18th century, Claire sees through the face of her first husband Frank, the vile indirect ancestor Jonathan Wolverton Randall who psychologically martyred her and other husband Jamie Alexander Malcolm Mackenzie Fraser.
She is an Alpha widow. The Alpha hit that and now she can't think of anything else, but will string along a beta that pays her bills and raises her daughter.
Frank was hardly soft. He was a WWII vet. He's also the one that taught Brianna how to shoot, how to hunt, and how to camp. Also he beat the brakes off those robbers in season 1
SO PRETTY MUCH IF YOU ARE UP TO DATE NOW WE ALL KNOW WHY FRANK WANTED TO TAKE BRIANNA BECAUSE HE WAS AFRAID SHE COULD GO BACK IN TIME LIKE HER MOTHER AND HE WAS RIGHT AND I LOVE THAT HE PREPARED HER FOR IT ......NOW IF YOU HAVE NOT GOT TO THAT PART IN THE SERIES YET, DON'T WORRY IT IS WORTH WATCHING IT ACTED OUT........TOBIAS MENZIES DID NOT GET ENOUGH CREDIT FOR HIS DUAL ROLE.
I don’t feel sorry for frank at all. He is the one that made the choice to ask Claire to come back to him. I think had he divorced her she would have raised Brianna in Scotland and would have raised her to know her father she would have probably found out sooner that Jamie was alive and both her and Bree would have went back together and Jamie would have had a chance to raise his own kid but it was Franks selfish desire to have a child that prevented that. He denied her the right to tell Bree the truth about Jamie so of course she had to bottle up her love and feelings for him. He wasn’t blind he knew she didn’t love him and he could have left her for any one of the women that he cheated with but he waited till Bree was almost an adult so that he could try to take her from Claire. He knew he wouldn’t stand a chance of taking her when she was younger as he wasn’t her dad but thought if he waited he could have it all. He talks about finally wanting a life with a wife that loved him and yet he knew Jamie was alive and that Claire loved him and he never gave her that chance did he. I find him pathetic and manipulative and I didn’t like him after he did that. Plus how could she ever look at him the same way again when Jack was what she would see. I wonder if she ever told him the truth about his oh so perfect ancestor
Totally agree with you here, I feel the same, that Frank was selfish and actually held her back, he knew everything else and never told her what he found in his research... It was really hard for Claire to know that Jamie was dead and she had to continue living for Brianna's sake... If they divorced this last time, Frank would marry Sandy and Claire would find out about Jamie (or even sooner, if she was able), but instead Frank died and it was too much stress on Brianna, who was only in the 2nd year of university... It was a little bit better for Jamie, to know that Claire and the child are alive, but what drove him absolutely crazy was his jealousy, thinking about her with Frank "day and night", to the point of total incoherence, he was like a walking dead for 18 years, and then married that harpy, who wouldn't touch him... Awful...
@@ellarealestate the thing that pissed me off was that frank had given up on Claire a long time ago. Once he started having affairs he no longer wanted her or their marriage he admitted he only stayed with her for the sake of Brianna. So why not be honest and tell her years ago that Jamie was alive why not be a decent person and tell her the truth and allow her to go be with the man she loved. He knew she wouldn’t take Brianna into the past. He was just being spiteful
@@susanpark3451 LOL Frank gave up on Claire??? Other way around, Claire didn't even bother to try and make it work. And Claire is just mad here that Frank has a better relationship with Bree than she does. Claire was selfish and distanced herself from Bree because she reminded her too much of Jamie.
@@xaviervega468 I never said frank gave up on Claire so I’m not sure why your throwing that sentence at me. I get that frank loved Claire and wanted to make the relationship work with her but once he realised Claire was never going to love him and that she was always going to love Jamie he could have left at any point to have that happy life but he knew he was sterile and he wanted Bree so he stayed with her to keep her in his life that’s why he is worse than Claire. He knew Jamie was alive and he never told her cause he knew she would take Bree and run back to him so he denied Jamie his own daughter to keep her for himself he waited till she was 18 and tried to use his closer relationship to try to convince her to leave her own mother. Claire wasn’t the best mother cause her pain over losing Jamie effected their relationship cause she looked so much like her dad but ask yourself this if she knew Jamie was alive all those years ago she could have taken Bree back and once with Jamie well you see how she is. Bree said it herself she had never seen her mum so happy like she is with Jamie and frank denied them that time together to be petty and selfish
I never felt bad for Frank! He was an awful character and I hated how Claire went back to him and let him “parent” her and Jamie’s child, even though I know she had no choice
Him knowing she would travel back it must have so hard, after spending trying to Piece something on the wrong pieces- they where to affraid to move away from eachother that they never saw what they had was toxic
What was he supposed to do run out on them so Claire and spin a lie about how her dad doesn't love them? Frank stayed out of love for both of them and Claire returns that love by stomping all over him.
@@LeafyTheLeafBoy he got his life ruined by this bitch Claire. He was a good husband that was forgotten on a whim by his harlot wife without explanation. He deserved better.
@@steverozi8970 Looks like we didn't watch the same show. She cared about him and tried many MANY times to go back to Frank before circumstances made her stay. Eventually, she fell in love and chose to stay. But Frank was never "forgotten on a whim" and she wasn't a "harlot." He didn't deserve what happened to him but stop vilifying Claire when it was clear how much she loved him for a while before things changed
Frank isn't taking anyone. He's letting Bree make her own choice. He just knows bloody well that Brianna will likely choose him over Claire. Claire knows it as well, which is why she's so upset.
I feel so bad for Frank. He just has one simple wish, to live with someone who loves him. He gave up everything in the hope of Claire's love. He loved Bree more than Jamie would have loved her.
They both had major faults, but due to being separated first by the war then her going through the stones, experiencing something new, loss of a child then having Bree knowing what was coming it kept building. Then when she returns there’s no words to describe such horrors, the impact it would have on someone emotionally, mentally and physically is indescribable. Neither one is innocent, it wasn’t easy and you can’t blame them for wanting better. They went about it wrong, mostly attitude wise. Very realistic tho, great acting.
Claire is such a damn hypocrite. She's cheated on Frank every day of their marriage since she came back. He was good enough to raise her child, put her through medical school, but not good enough to put the memory of Jamie aside.
happybkwrm thing is that you can't help how you feel and she didn't love Frank Claire was very upfront about the whole thing, she never tried to hide what happened, so Frank has no one to blame but himself. She did try, she did ask for a divorce when Brianna was younger and Frank refused because he was afraid that the courts would grant custody to Claire since mothers were more favoured and then he would be prevented from seeing Brianna. Then when he does suggest a divorce he threatens to take away her daughter? By having her move with him to London? That's low. At that time there weren't as many options for woman as there are today.
So she let him fall in love with her child and then wanted a divorce... Brianna was closer to Frank. By the time he asked for a divorce, she could choose to go with him. He wasn't kidnapping a child. And now Claire decides to abandon her daughter to find a man she hasn't seen in twenty years? I'd never walk away from a daughter for a man.
I can never know how it would feel to have to leave the love of my life as Claire had too and I am sure she tried to set his memory aside, but when a love is that powerful I am sure that its not something you can fully do, so you just have to live with it. It seems to me that she really tried and Frank was the one who never let her forget it. She didn't want to leave Brianna or have Brianna feel like she was abandoning her which is why she initially gave up the search for Jamie. It was Rodger who brought the search back to her and even then she told him that she wasn't going to continue. If it were my mom and I came to the realization that she was that deeply unhappy then I would do the same thing that Brianna did, because I would want my mom to be happy if it meant being reunited with the lover of her life.
Also how could she EVER look at him the same and not see his ancestor who he happens to look exactly like and not think of all the awful things he did to her and Jamie, that is something that you could never get over.
I wonder if Frank decided to split from Claire after finding out she had returned to Jaime through correspondence with the preacher but, a part him couldn't believe it so he had to ask her outright, and her response was "doesn't exist." Gut wrenching really... admitting the truth you always known all along.
Ok, sé que a este Frank lo hicieron menos racista e infiel que en los libros, pero igual lo odio, porque se ve como una víctima cuando él también tomó sus propias decisiones. Habría podido divorciarse hace años, pero eligió quedarse y condenar a una mujer que lo amaba a ser la amante. Jamie, siendo del Siglo XVIII, resulta ser más comprensivo y abierto con Claire que Frank, que al final sólo quería que ella se quedase en la casa. A Jamie le cuesta al principio, pero siempre le dio autonomía para tomar sus decisiones. La ve como una líder, confía en sus opiniones y la escucha. Y también los amigos de Jamie resultan ser más abiertos al liderazgo de una mujer que los colegas intelectuales de Frank.
Luis Rosales no es el protagonista común, porque su virilidad no se pone en duda por haber sido violado por otro hombre, ser menos inexperto sexualmente que su pareja o aceptar que ella destaque en muchas situaciones. Sí, es atractivo físicamente como muchos protagonistas, pero tiene otros aspectos que no son tan comunes, como su genuina curiosidad por el mundo del que viene su mujer y estar dispuesto a cambiar su mentalidad, no sólo por amor, sino porque es capaz de reconocer que es lo correcto.
Javier Adriazola claro, no me había dado cuenta que una serie con viajes en el tiempo no era realista. Obviamente, estoy hablando del universo de la serie, no tomándola como la generalidad, aunque siempre hubo personajes que se salieron de la norma dominante.
Seriously who takes Frank's side on this, the show is about Claire and Jamie. Claire upfront told him everything and her cheating does not exsist cause neither did Frank so is not cheating at all. And how could she look at Frank and not see Randall after all the horrible shit he did to her and Jamie like ewww. He waited till Brianna was grown to get a divorce.
yah... but you forget none of that was frank's fault. frank was just some guy who married a woman and suddenly this woman disappeared from his life and then she came back and was pregnant and saying how she had fallen in love with some other dude and then he has to raise the child his wife had with another man. Not only that, but his wife looks at him like he's a monster because of stuff his ancestor did, even though he's a completely different person. the show may be about claire and jamie, but that doesn't stop people from having the ability to think for themselves and have empathy for frank, as someone who got caught in the middle of a time-travelling clusterfuck. we all like claire and jamie, but that doesn't mean we can't also see frank's side and acknowledge that his situation was just as difficult as claire's and jamie's.
How was anything that Jack Randall did Frank's fault? She disappeared from his life for 2 years, comes back pregnant with another man's child, and Frank is good enough to raise that child with her. He hoped beyond hope that Claire could fall in love with him again and it never happens. Who wouldn't be a little bitter? And if Frank had gotten a divorce earlier you know damn well Claire would have gotten custody of Brianna. So yeah I don't blame Frank one bit for waiting.
Es stellt sich auch die Frage, warum ist sie bei ihm geblieben obwohl sie ihn nicht mehr geliebt hat. Es war schon herzlos Franks Liebe zur ihr als Vater und Versorger zu benutzen. Und sie hat ihn dadurch die Chance genommen sich neu zu verlieben. Ein sehr trauriges Leben für ihn!
@@slaonestephens7575Sie ist doch eine kluge Frau! Sie hätte trotzdem gehen können. Denn sie dachte das Jamie tot ist und somit hätte sie bis ans Ende ihres Lebens SO leben wollen? Wer einmal die wahre Liebe kennen gelernt hat, gibt sich nicht mehr mit weniger in einer Beziehung zufrieden. Lieber alleine ALLEIN als zu zweit ALLEIN
@@simoneknospe954 Naja ich glaube die zeitlichen Umstände hatten darauf einen Einfluss es waren halt die 1940s. Da war eine Scheidung nochmal was anderes als heutzutage
Ja da hast du recht und sie wollte sicher einen realen Vater für ihre Tochter. Aber ein Leben ohne Liebe wäre traurig und furchtbar, egal zu welcher Zeit
SPOILER ALERT: I have only read to book three, but this fight in the book is better in my opinion and Frank is NO saint. Brianna is 18, but has not graduated yet and is telling Clair that he is stealing her to England to finish her senior year and it’s also because of his racism (yes it is only 1966, but I thought Britain was supposed to be better with their racism(better not perfect)). He does not want Bri to date the black boys that are family or friends with Clair’s doctor friend and says “everybody thinks you are having an affair with that doctor friend of yours.” Clair does file back about him having many affairs and Frank is shocked to hear this he then says, “you could have given a dang (actually swear, though).” Clair replies back, “I always said I would have given you up if I asked for it.” After Frank dies we also learn that he knew early on (I believe) that Jamie survived Culloden. He also continued to worship Black Jake Randall even after Clair told him everything. There relationship in the book was different too though. They switched the getting on each other nerves part. When Clair first comes to the hospital Randell shouts, “my wife comes back three years later and pregnant and I cannot confront her about it?!” In Boston they go about their normal lives. I believe they have one bed not two and he has several women not just one.
I don’t know How I could do that if I was man living in that time with that type of power boooy. I wouldn’t care what happened to her I would kicked her to the side and some people saying that Jamie would have killed for her, and I couldn’t say the same for frank wasn’t he looking for her for years and paid her bills 💵 and took care of her and her daughter that wasn’t even his. This character is tripping ☺️
I love how the writers KEEP INPERSISTANT TO FAVOR FRANK, treating Claire just like a cheater/traitor and a bitch and that's it, it's very funny considering this IS CLAIRE'S STORY, NOT FRANK'S !!! ; I get it that the writers love Tobias Menzies (i love him too) but they really, really tried to ruined the MAIN character in favor of a character who only appeared for THREE seasons ?? ; Ok .............. !!! .
Sorry but facts are facts. Frank was the one who really tried to make it work and Claire was the one that didn't make the same effort. Her love for Jamie was just too strong.
My sympathies lie mainly with Frank. In the Starz series, he's a good man who stays with Claire for Brianna's sake, even though she's not his biological daughter. Frank also shares very little of Black Jack's ruthlessness - even when he was mad at Claire in episode 1 of Season 2, he couldn't bring himself to hit her. In an ideal world, Frank and Claire would have given it another go. Frank could have helped Claire make peace with losing Jamie, even though she would never have forgotten him entirely. Frank and Claire would have worked together to build a caring and content marriage, one based on trust rather than violence and bitterness. And would they have ever told Brianna the truth about her real father? That's something they could have revisited and redecided too.
You know I first started out liking Frank before Claire went through the stones and I did feel bad for him after she disappeared but he slowly starting turning into Black Jack and this seen truly made me dislike him. Breanna wasn't his to try to take from Claire no matter how much he loved her because she was still Jamie's. I know it must have been hard for Frank to try to love a woman that no longer loved him in the hopes she would forget about Jamie. You can't blame Claire for what happened nor Frank but he should have asked for a divorce instead of cheating on her and then trying to take Breanna away after she turned 18. It wasn't Claire's fault what happened to her and she never intended to fall in love but it happened and yes every time Claire would look at Breanna she would be instantly reminded of Jamie. I am sure it was just as hard for Claire to look at the man that she once loved and was constantly reminded of Black Jack, again not her fault.
Brianna is Frank's daughter in every way that counts. Not Jamie's fault he couldn't raise her, but the hard truth is Jamie was little more than a sperm donor at this point. Frank was the one that put the work in, that's what being a father means. Also Frank is correct when he say "I don't think I'll have to" He did the heavy lifting in raising Brianna, so he knows bloody well Brianna will likely choose to go with him., he's not forcing her to do anything. Claire knows it as well, that's why she's so pissed. As far as divorce, family courts are stll very unfair to men now, they were EVEN WORSE back then, men stood very little chance of even getting joint custody. Yes Claire more than likely wouldn't have kept Bree from Frank, but Frank is also correct that Claire hasn't been vey good about keeping her other promises to Frank.. Why would he trust her on that.
Honestly I can't bring myself to watch past season 2 and the more clips I see of the following seasons the less I want to. Claire is as selfish and hypocrite as they come... She ruins the story for me. There, I said it.
@Eye0ftheSt0rm I don't think she ruined his life. She was up front with him about her love for Jamie. Frank should have left in the beginning.Yes, he was hoping she'll fall in love with him again but that isn't Claire's fault that she didn't. Noone is at fault.
One thing Claire is at fault for is she made promises she couldn't keep. She should have told Frank from the beginning that her heart would always belong to Jaime.
Chandra Robinson It’s not that simple. They both had done their share of wrongdoing. However, in this telling I’d say that she had done the lions share of mistakes. I don’t know too many men in real life who would stay with a woman who was carrying another man’s child regardless of the circumstances. In some societies, she’d be publicly shamed or even killed if her extramarital affair was made publicly known. The fact that he stayed with Claire knowing Brianna wasn’t his child and didn’t just drop her like a bad habit says a lot. He also waited until she was grown before wanting to divorce her mother. He wasn’t perfect but he wasn’t a total asshole either. Nothing was black and white which make this a good story.
This scene is so sad, especially when Claire saying the amount of time needed to forget Jaime doesn’t exist. For Frank, Claire is his Jaime. That’s why he took her back after she disappeared and never gave up hope she’d return. While I love Claire and Jaime together, Frank’s life (at least in the show) was wasted loving a woman who loved someone else while also raising that man’s child who served as a constant reminder of him.
The sanest comment here. "For Frank, Claire is his Jaime." This is perfect.
Claire came back as an Alpha Widow. Frank will never measure up.
'while I love Claire and Jamie', nice you love cheating.
It is not accurate. He had another rel with a woman he loved and that truly loved him.
@@brocklanders6969 this has got to be the dumbest comment in the feed
The first love vs the love of her life 😢 Frank was a good man in the show, Claire just couldn't love him anymore after falling for Jamie.
exactly .. the difference between Frank and Jamie was like night and day ... Jamie would literally kill for Claire ... I don't think I could say the same about Frank
He paid her bills, gave her respectability and raised her daughter.
@@MsJimmysgirl the difference is that Jaime kept frank alive in their relationship and they mentioned him a lot. Frank tried to completely erase Jamie and even burnt Claire’s clothes from that time. He could accept ALL of her including her experiences without him instead of allowing her to talk and grieve about it.
I dont like, clair at all
I don't really have any idea why good men are the one who finally lost their lives. But women always find another love in every tv show
They ruined each other's lives and I felt terrible about Frank, he was pretty amazing, amorous, totally a gentleman. His only mistake was that he was deeply in love with Claire and Brianna and he could never escape about his feelings.
He cared so deeply that he had a long stable affair? Yeah no
In my opinion frank have an affair but this was when she was disappeared so for me it’s justified. And when he get her wife back he finds that her wife it’s in love with someone else so he broken. And when he try to forget about that and trying to be happy Claire. Tell him that they have a separate marriage so for me this affair. It’s justified because he was afraid and sandy Counsells him
pfft he cheated on her.
@@bellal320 well she cheated on him basically 200 years ago lmao
@@LPSCANDY10 bruh, she never thought she would see him again
"That amount of time doesn't exist." 😭
SoSallyCanWait best line in this episode!
Damn that was insane
What a devastating scene to watch. I have no doubt that Claire truly loved Frank, but thrust into circumstances no one could’ve imagined or predicted, they were stuck in a toxic orbit around Brianna with this cavernous despair quietly consuming them. Frank was such a good man, but always felt betrayed that Claire couldn’t extinguish her love for Jamie. My heart breaks for them both.
In the video you can see Frank's voice catch when he says "I want to spend the rest of my life with a woman who loves me." In the books, Frank was diagnosed with a terminal illness and knew that he was going to die within the next few years (the car accident was unexpected and sped things up). Frank intended to take Bree to England to lead her to finding out the truth about her real father. Frank knew that Bree would one day go to the past and spent most of her childhood preparing her for the past: teaching her how to shoot a gun, hunt animals, etc. It was a terrible situation Claire and Frank were put in, but they made the most out of it for Bree's sake. Part of the reason why Frank stays with Claire for so long is because he didn't want her to make the impossible decision to choose between Jamie and Brianna. If they divorced, Frank was afraid that Claire would leave Brianna and Frank to go back to Jamie. Frank didn't want to take the chance and so stayed with her until Brianna was old enough (18 years old). He knew Claire would return to Jamie one day and he gave Claire the freedom to more easily choose. I loved Frank's character and the complexities of this relationship!
Does the book lay this put as a reason or is that your interpretation?
@@jennaheroldin6659 from the book. It’s not as obvious until the characters do their own analysis of Frank and his actions (later books)
Yes this is what I also gleaned from reading the books. Frank knew they would go back.
@@jennaheroldin6659in one of the most recent books, Brianna discovers evidence that Frank was aware Jaime was still alive and that Brianna would travel back in time.
Felt bad for him but that had to be hell for her.....missing Jamie and living with the spitting image of Black Jack Randall.
I'm not far enough into the story yet, so can anyone tell me whether Frank ever finds out about Claire's horrors with Black Jack Randall and that he looks identical?
@@rowanaforrest9792 he does, although we never get a direct scene. Bri finds a letter saying that frank will research him no more because he was not the man he thought he was
I doubt Claire would tell him EVERYTHING BJR did to Jamie I would probably feel too much like betrayal of him
I feel so bad for Frank because he didn’t deserve any of what happened to him throughout the show
Though I’m completely on Claire’s side of the argument here, when Frank asks that question I do feel sorry for him, because it becomes clear that when he took her back twenty years ago, he thought Claire could call back in love with him after a while. All he ever had to do was ask her, and she would have made it clear that it wasn’t possible, but to see his heart break again that final time is gut wrenching.
Well, He says that Brianna can decide, but he already decided for her. The trip to England is not a suggestion, it is a decision that he has already taken, without consulting Brianna or Claire .In addition, Brianna doesn't know Sandy and suddenly now she is going to live with her and leave her mother in another country. Frank looks a little insensitive and dominant here.Frank wants to do things his way and could make them easier: first divorce, then introduce Sandy to Brianna and then invite Brianna to live with them. He could have given Claire and Brianna time to accept the changes. But no.
LJO 1977 Yes, and that is why I’m completely on Claire’s side, because what Frank is doing is over the line in so many ways, as you say - but I also pity him in that moment
@@liol3409 If Frank had gotten the divorce earlier what was to stop Claire from taking Brianna and skipping town? The courts weren't really big on men's parental rights back then, Frank would have stood NO chance of getting custody.
And Frank is right. If Brianna doesn't want to go, she doesn't have to. But both Claire and Frank know that at this point in her life Brianna will choose Frank every time.
@@xaviervega468 The ethical justifications for Frank's actions are not given by Brianna's reaction. Also, if you saw Chapter 7 of season 4, Brianna didn't have her decision so clear and that she didn't know that living with Sandy was part of the arrangement. No one criticizes Frank's intention of wanting to have a home with Brianna and Sandy, the problem is how he poses it. He doesn't give Claire or Brianna time to take over the changes.
Xavier Vega complete obvious why would she choose frank over her mum when her mums staying put . She wouldn’t leave before graduating that’s dumb of frank to think that and besides that all her friends are in Boston she knows no one in England at all . And most courts back then sided with the mother than father and frank is stepfather at best no reason for bree to not stay with the mother she loves
These two when getting into arguments is top-notch acting. It's almost like you are not watching actors but eavesdropping on a couple having a real argument.
Watching this makes me miss Season 1-2 Claire where she still loved Frank. I still have yet to finish the book, but in the show I feel quite sorry for him.
Its not about whether she loved Frank, she always loved Frank, he was her first love. She'll always hold a special place in her heart for him, hence why she still wanted to protect his existence in the past despite now loving Jamie because it was neither of their fault this situation happened. Obviously its easier said going back and thinking things will be the same. Its just tragic that they didn't try a little harder to work it out.
@@kylephantom4 HE LOOKED TOO MUCH LIKE BLACKJACK RANDALL TO MAKE IT WORK
@@virgoqueen8950 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
I love Claire, Jamie and Claire forever. And while I understand, the anger in the scene she has been incredibly unfair to Frank. Has been a good father to a child who was not his, provided for and still loved his wife while Claire has existed in this time with 1 foot in the door having to settle. Where as frank stuck out being in a marriage that he was not the first choice (ironically) until Brianna was grown. Claire really doesn’t have a leg to stand on here. Especially when she brought up adultery… and then instantly said you can’t prove it,...despite the fact that you could just look at Brianna....
But I do love outlander for the fact that they treat their characters as people full and complexed rather than just characters. Especially love how Frank was an alpha male in his own right and a good man instead of reduced to a cliche. Brilliantly acted by both parties
You said it perfectly. Frank was a deeply caring man. I really did cry at Tobias' last episode where Bree see's his apparition in the past. He deserved his second chance at happiness too.
Frank deserved so much better. He was a good husband and father to Brianna.
In the book "Voyager": Chapter 19; "To Lay A Ghost" Frank also accuses Clair of having an affair with Joe Abernathy and told her that everyone thinks so because she and Joe spent so much time together. Almost a full page is devoted to his racial prejudice ranting about why Clair always invites the Abernathys to their social functions and parties referring to "those sorts of people" at which point Claire asks "Black people, I suppose you mean?" Then he thinks Claire is "dragging" Brianna into dangerous situations by associating with black people. Then Frank tells Claire that al least with him Briannna won't end up "f____g" a black man! Frank sees Brianna being friends with Joe's son (which they are just friends) but this bothers Frank.
Yep, Frank was laying that prejudice on thick in the books.
malvinia wyatt blalock i know! But its funny how the show wants to paint him like a saint so desperately
malvinia wyatt blalock yep I felt he was rather racist and selfish here ! What kind of man takes a daughter away from their mother low blow frank and she wasn't going to want to leave Boston anyway !
I was disappointed at some of the relationships here in the show compared to the book. Frank and her are different. And the most upsetting was her and Jenny. I was expecting the teary amazing reunion between her and Jenny and instead got a lot of arguments and pent up anger. I do love this TV series but I wish the same amount of effort would go into the making of the other relationships that go into making her and Jamie's.
@@michelleflood8220 racist in this scene...how?
Unhealthy Obession I meant in the book not the show he accuses her of having an affair with dr Joe Abernathy her African American colleague in a very bigoted racist way .
It's quite cruel that he wants to take the daughter to another continent with a woman Brianna does not know. Frank shows that Brianna's feelings do not interest him either. He could make things simpler. First divorce, then introduce Sandy and then invite Brianna to live with them in England. But no, he wants things to be done his way and that was the real problem with his relationship with Claire. She could never find a supportive companion in Frank. Despite being a modern and educated man, he just wanted a housewife. With Frank, Claire languishes. With Jamie, she shines. Imagine the scene of the red dress with Frank. No way. That's the reason why she couldn't forget Jamie and love Frank again. Jamie made her feel powerful. That feeling could not be felt with Frank
LJO 1977 So true!
LJO 1977 very well said ! To me it’s with frank she’s restrained almost caged with her emotions for fear of upsetting him . With Jamie she is her true self flaws and all and it’s because of the selfless love he has also his compassion , empathy and kindness . It is a real soulmate connection . Look at the final chapter of DOA where Brianna is talking to roger about how she wants their marriage to be using Claire’s marriages as examples she doesn’t want one like frank and Claire’s which she says is one of obligation and duty . She wants one more like Jamie and Claire’s one of love and equality . Her words not mine , bear in mind she has only observed Claire and Jamie for less than a year at the time and grown up in the other marriage so her words speak volumes .
I don’t think Frank wanted her to be just a housewife. He did “ allow” her to be a doctor. He was resentful of that the fact that she disappeared for 3 years, only to return and never love him again. He wanted the Claire that loved him with passion as she did before she went through the stones. Can’t fault him for that. ( I am referring to tv Frank, book Frank was something else)
Ariel H I think he’s a self centered arsehole sorry but he is and weak and a wimp it’s all about me me me with him he doesn’t deserve nor can he handle the strong independent thinking woman Claire is regardless if it wasn’t Jamie someone else would’ve torn their marriage apart
@@michelleflood8220 then how did he marry her in the first place? He was able to handle her just fine before she disappeared and came back with another mans child.
We find out later that he knew she went back to Jamie after he received her obituary dated sometime in the 1770s when he asked for a divorce. He knew he wanted his own life at that point. Brianna was old enough to make her own decisions at that point.
All I can see is the superb acting from these two!!! Caitriona and Tobias nailed this scene!!!
I felt bad for Frank. He was a good man that wasted his life on a raw deal. I wonder if part of the reason she couldnt love him anymore was because when she saw him, she saw Captain Randle.
Randall was certainly part of the reason. I genuinely believe that Frank and Claire could have talked it all out, and worked things out. Claire would have realised that she didn't need to fear Frank at all, because he takes after Alex (his real ancestor), not Black Jack. And Frank would maybe have realised that Jamie was just doing what anyone in love would have done, and that he gave Frank and Claire a child. One that Frank himself could never have had, since he was sterile.
God, my favorite scene of season 3. Love her emotion. You can feel her heartbreak.
Frank was good man... He met his death inhappily. But he could not love Claire that much the way James does. Well Frank had Claire with him for some years before she went to the stones and had her still for another 20 yeara after she returned; infact claire was with Frank for most of her blossom days of her life but she didnot felt that strong bond of love with him which she found in James. Frank once claimed he loved her unconditionally but went furious when he learned the child was not his despite knowing himself he cannot become a father because of his medical problems. Eventually he love Brianna like his own daughter but he forced Claire to leave her past (James) behind and warned her to never speak of it or of Jamie ever again. Frank fid learned that Claire may returned to Jamie but he ignored it and ignored Claire and her way. In a way, Frank did loved Claire but he could not give his life to Claire, he did not acccep Claire of who she has becaome after the stones' story, a part of him and his heart filled with obsession and envious... If he could have really loved Claire more than anything he could have had a happy marriage life, He would not have commited adultry and he would have never gone into an intention of getting divorce on Claire. And we cannot blamed Claire for loving Jamie so much. She too had left Jamie and accepted her fate to save their daughter as a vow given to him. She tried and fell back into Frank who never allowed her to talked about Jamie again. May be that one of the reasons she could not feel the freedom to liberate the pains the already carried..
James had Claire for only three years before Culloden War. He risked his life from very beginning just to make sure she was safe and hid his feelings about her. He accepted Claire in everyway she was and she is. He would die for her many times and let her live. He listenned to Claire when she talked of anything without ignorance, about Frank, about herself. He allready forgiven Claire before she would apologize. He had nevr had a good life ever since Claire disappeared. But He love her still in his heart and he would sacrifice for her again if he have to. And most he still love her so strong when she came back after 20 years. James' love for Claire is powerful and so strong that even Claire herself cannot describe. Thus, they deserved each other. They went through so much pains and hardtimes during wars and battles and the challenges that stood infront of them. But they fought hard and they always fought together and they will fight still. It's time to let them love and live happily...
I believe Frank is paying for Black Jack’s karmic debut. Frank couldn’t have children so he ends up raising Jamie’s child. Alex’s illness ; Black Jack’s brother was a karmic debt situation as well a good guy who suffered with sickness. Those in Black Jacks family line payed for his inhuman behavior.
Well they both have red hair how could she not be reminded of him
Lady DC exactly and their eyes are the same too and having seen Sophie with sam and cait at comic con she truly looks like she'd be their daughter !
It was hard for me not to be pissed at Claire during this storyline. Like, yeah Frank’s vanilla pudding to Jaime’s chocolate mousse, but GIRL! This guy just wants to be a good dad and a good husband. Lay off a little!
He could’ve ditched the second Claire said she was pregnant, but he hung out! Bonded with Brianna! He was a good dude!
And don’t come at me with “he cheated.” Claire HARDCORE cheated first.
Tbh he cheated first during the war.
Never try to take a child from a mother. Frank is sorry for the scene, but Claire behaves like a mother, fighting for her child.
Frank raised a child that isn’t even his. He cares so much for Brianna and rarely any guy like that would do so. Frank was much more closer to Bree and it shows. She cares about her dad (Frank) even after she found out the truth about Jamie. You have to know that Claire broke him a lot and he’s had enough of it, but he’ll still love Brianna.
Well, it's quite cruel that he wants to take her daughter to another continent with a woman Brianna doesn't know. Frank shows that Brianna's feelings don't interest him either. He could make things simpler. First divorce, then introduce Sandy and then invite Brianna to live with them in England. He says that Brianna can decide, but he already decided for her. It is not a suggestion, it is a decision he has already made, without consulting Brianna or Claire.
@@liol3409 Frank did that because he knows that Claire is going to die in the fire with Jamie at Fraser's Ridge. That was the whole reason for the divorce. He waited until Bri graduated from high school. If Frank didnt died in that car accident, him and Claire was eventually gonna sit down with Bri and explain the whole situation about Jamie to her.
Soni Eloïse no they wouldn’t have because frank made Claire keep Jamie a secret from Brianna her whole life he made it a condition of their marriage so doubt that would’ve happened . He put the stone up thinking she might take bree to Scotland and find out that way but frank wouldn’t have mentioned Jamie to bree because he wanted her to think of him alone as a father so to me that’s self centered and selfish of him . To me that’s the major difference between him and Jamie and the way they love Claire franks way is selfish and narcissistic , jamie and for that matter Brianna’s is selfless , compassionate and shows more respect and empathy than frank
Yep, and Frank more than most knows how much Brianna means to Claire. It's a dick move.
I still consider frank the most honorable man(yes including Jamie). He tried his best in an impossible situation and loved a child that wasn’t his and went through torment for years. And when he finally wanted to stop living a lie and be truly happy he died
Jamie let Jack Randall do whatever he wanted to his body to let Claire free?
I can understand both sides and it is difficult for both. I think in the long run if Claire had brought up Brianna without Frank it would have made her happier, it would have been difficult for both but then there wouldn't be this issue. But then Brianna would have never had a father and I think that was what was most important. That Brianna was taken care of.
Daniella Whanger yes I feel it's two people who no longer love each other as Claire has already met her soulmate but they make the most of a bad situation for brees sake but I think bree from a young age maybe eleven or so could see her parents didn't love each other and we're living seperate lives albeit under the same roof !
if Caitrionas teeth get any whiter on the close up am going to need sunglasses to watch outlander cause her mouth's all I could focus on.
"Without that constant reminder, (Read Brianna looks just like Jamie) might you have forgotten him with time?"
"that amount of time doesn't exist"
See this is where I lose sympathy for Frank he lived as he wanted to for 20 years Claire OFFERED him an out and he said no and then when Bree is nearly grown and he still tries to "Take her away" and I think what stings the most for him is there was always a part of him that was waiting and Hoping that HIS Claire would forget about Jamie and come back
there's a line Jamie says at the end of the 4th book
"I'm a jealous man but not a vengeful one, I'd take you from him my Sassenach. But I'd not take him from you."
That's what makes Jamie a better man. Frank Tried so hard for so long with the wish that never saying his name would take Jamie from Claire
Wow that was an essay
This scene is very heartbreaking for both characters,both of them destroyed and long for a love that was lost in the past...Frank for so many years hoping that Claire will eventually heal and come back like it was during 1945 when she was still in love with him,while Claire was unable to forget and continue to love Jamie through the memories that affected her present life,both of them were unable to move on and can't grasp the present. The acting in this scene is very moving,Tobias and Cait really nailed this scene.
Tobias and Caitriona had so many powerhouse scenes. Just Brilliant together!
I feel bad for Frank, he was a good man, but Claire didn't try to go to the past. They were thrown into a precarious situation and handled it the best they could. But trying to take her daughter away...
She was his daughter too in every way that counts. And like Frank said, he's not taking Bree anywhere, he's gonna let her make that choice. He's just confident that Bree will choose to go with him. And for good reason, Frank did the heavy lifting in raising her.
HEY CLAIRE TAKE A BOW I LOVED THAT LINE THE AMOUNT OF TIME DOSENT EXIST
Frank wasn't to blame because his three time or more Great-uncle was a Evil son of Bitch, Frank was a good man.
Aimee Robinson I think it's like his four or five times great grandfather is Alex not sure but yes bJr is his multiple times great granduncle not grandfather take it from someone who knows all about how to do genealogy!
I agree. I still think Frank is a good man even if I don't agree with some his behavior in this episode.
Cassandra765 I do feel frank is more like Alex Randall than he's given credit for but you can't blame him for leaving but bit hard for Claire to forget jamie when she has a daughter who resembles him so strongly isn't it . They were pretty much living seperate lives anyway before this , what I didn't like was that sandy woman attacking Claire at the wake little did she know he was leaving Claire for her !
I don't blame him for leaving. It's more the way he went about it that bothers me. His behavior in this scene felt so petty and vengeful and I feel like that's unfair considering Claire had already offered him a divorce.
Cassandra765 true she did offer even before bree was born but he chose to stay but he still could have left before she was grown and still see him he loved bree is why he didn't take her up on it !
Oh my, these poor unhappy people 😭 I can’t even imagine living this way!
He deserved better. I wish he had more time to get married again with someone who loves him back...
Fwlt sorry for frank. All he asked for was love
Claire looks so beautiful here i feel sorry for frank but randal is always in my mind when i look at him. Jamie is the love of her life
I think trying to convince Brianna to go to England with him is Frank's way of punishing Claire for not loving him all those years. He practically says it when he saying, "You can't look at her without thinking of him." Love Frank and he did get the short end of the stick, but what an asshole move.
Frank got the short end of the stick, should've left her long ago
Only reason he didn't was because he would have lost Brianna. The courts didn't really favor men's parental rights in those days, and he didn't trust Claire not to take Brianna and leave.
The most beautiful words spoken to date in the series.
He never stopped loving her but is was a selfish love rooted in need to possess and control and fear of loss , Jamie loved her with pure passion it was selfless and freeing
Poor Claire. She's trying to make their marriage work, but Frank is being ungrateful.
LOL what???? Frank is the one that raised another man's baby for 20 years. All Frank wanted was for Claire to love him like she did before she disappeared. But Claire couldn't do it because she was in love with Jamie.
@@xaviervega468this is why you never take a western woman serious
Thank you for posting S 3. I don't have Starz. Decided to wait for the DVDs.... Long wait!
Same here.
B Panek it's like $10 a month for the starz app and the first month is free... in case you didn't know that option?
The season plays on W just in case
Netflix as outlander
I didn't know. Thank you!
You know, if he had married his blonde student, she would just be in the same position he is in now. And Claire would be his Jaime. The cycle would never have been broken.
If only he didn’t look like the monster. They would’ve had a happy marriage. Perhaps Claire should have experimented with some professional help to forget the monster and recognize Frank for the wonderful man he is.
Since returning from 18th century, Claire sees through the face of her first husband Frank, the vile indirect ancestor Jonathan Wolverton Randall who psychologically martyred her and other husband Jamie Alexander Malcolm Mackenzie Fraser.
She is an Alpha widow. The Alpha hit that and now she can't think of anything else, but will string along a beta that pays her bills and raises her daughter.
Frank was hardly soft. He was a WWII vet. He's also the one that taught Brianna how to shoot, how to hunt, and how to camp. Also he beat the brakes off those robbers in season 1
I think a surgeon would be making as much or more than a college professor thus paying her own bills and some of his?
Thank you from me as well! I love this show!
SO PRETTY MUCH IF YOU ARE UP TO DATE NOW WE ALL KNOW WHY FRANK WANTED TO TAKE BRIANNA BECAUSE HE WAS AFRAID SHE COULD GO BACK IN TIME LIKE HER MOTHER AND HE WAS RIGHT AND I LOVE THAT HE PREPARED HER FOR IT ......NOW IF YOU HAVE NOT GOT TO THAT PART IN THE SERIES YET, DON'T WORRY IT IS WORTH WATCHING IT ACTED OUT........TOBIAS MENZIES DID NOT GET ENOUGH CREDIT FOR HIS DUAL ROLE.
I don’t feel sorry for frank at all. He is the one that made the choice to ask Claire to come back to him. I think had he divorced her she would have raised Brianna in Scotland and would have raised her to know her father she would have probably found out sooner that Jamie was alive and both her and Bree would have went back together and Jamie would have had a chance to raise his own kid but it was Franks selfish desire to have a child that prevented that. He denied her the right to tell Bree the truth about Jamie so of course she had to bottle up her love and feelings for him. He wasn’t blind he knew she didn’t love him and he could have left her for any one of the women that he cheated with but he waited till Bree was almost an adult so that he could try to take her from Claire. He knew he wouldn’t stand a chance of taking her when she was younger as he wasn’t her dad but thought if he waited he could have it all. He talks about finally wanting a life with a wife that loved him and yet he knew Jamie was alive and that Claire loved him and he never gave her that chance did he. I find him pathetic and manipulative and I didn’t like him after he did that. Plus how could she ever look at him the same way again when Jack was what she would see. I wonder if she ever told him the truth about his oh so perfect ancestor
Totally agree with you here, I feel the same, that Frank was selfish and actually held her back, he knew everything else and never told her what he found in his research... It was really hard for Claire to know that Jamie was dead and she had to continue living for Brianna's sake... If they divorced this last time, Frank would marry Sandy and Claire would find out about Jamie (or even sooner, if she was able), but instead Frank died and it was too much stress on Brianna, who was only in the 2nd year of university... It was a little bit better for Jamie, to know that Claire and the child are alive, but what drove him absolutely crazy was his jealousy, thinking about her with Frank "day and night", to the point of total incoherence, he was like a walking dead for 18 years, and then married that harpy, who wouldn't touch him... Awful...
@@ellarealestate the thing that pissed me off was that frank had given up on Claire a long time ago. Once he started having affairs he no longer wanted her or their marriage he admitted he only stayed with her for the sake of Brianna. So why not be honest and tell her years ago that Jamie was alive why not be a decent person and tell her the truth and allow her to go be with the man she loved. He knew she wouldn’t take Brianna into the past. He was just being spiteful
@@susanpark3451 LOL Frank gave up on Claire??? Other way around, Claire didn't even bother to try and make it work. And Claire is just mad here that Frank has a better relationship with Bree than she does. Claire was selfish and distanced herself from Bree because she reminded her too much of Jamie.
@@xaviervega468 I never said frank gave up on Claire so I’m not sure why your throwing that sentence at me. I get that frank loved Claire and wanted to make the relationship work with her but once he realised Claire was never going to love him and that she was always going to love Jamie he could have left at any point to have that happy life but he knew he was sterile and he wanted Bree so he stayed with her to keep her in his life that’s why he is worse than Claire. He knew Jamie was alive and he never told her cause he knew she would take Bree and run back to him so he denied Jamie his own daughter to keep her for himself he waited till she was 18 and tried to use his closer relationship to try to convince her to leave her own mother. Claire wasn’t the best mother cause her pain over losing Jamie effected their relationship cause she looked so much like her dad but ask yourself this if she knew Jamie was alive all those years ago she could have taken Bree back and once with Jamie well you see how she is. Bree said it herself she had never seen her mum so happy like she is with Jamie and frank denied them that time together to be petty and selfish
@@susanpark3451 Considering Frank did the heavy lifting in raising Brianna, I don''t think it's that selfish to want to keep Brianna in his life.
Poor Frank. She was awful to him.
An academy award scene just awesome
Breathtaking performances.
I never felt bad for Frank! He was an awful character and I hated how Claire went back to him and let him “parent” her and Jamie’s child, even though I know she had no choice
Him knowing she would travel back it must have so hard, after spending trying to Piece something on the wrong pieces- they where to affraid to move away from eachother that they never saw what they had was toxic
That catch in his voice KILLS ME
Although I feel for frank, he stayed in that toxic marriage. Also trying to take her child 💩
What was he supposed to do run out on them so Claire and spin a lie about how her dad doesn't love them? Frank stayed out of love for both of them and Claire returns that love by stomping all over him.
He was a much better parent to Brianna than Claire was.
Now Poor Frank is dead, she free now, but was it all worth it.
Frank is a cheater,racist and a asshole so yes Its Worth it
@@LeafyTheLeafBoy he got his life ruined by this bitch Claire. He was a good husband that was forgotten on a whim by his harlot wife without explanation. He deserved better.
@@steverozi8970 Looks like we didn't watch the same show. She cared about him and tried many MANY times to go back to Frank before circumstances made her stay. Eventually, she fell in love and chose to stay. But Frank was never "forgotten on a whim" and she wasn't a "harlot." He didn't deserve what happened to him but stop vilifying Claire when it was clear how much she loved him for a while before things changed
@@LeafyTheLeafBoy Claire cheated first. Everyone’s a racist, but especially in the ‘50s. And he’s far from an asshole. Was a better Dad than most.
@@harvestmoonproductions4904 he may be a good father but he is not a good husband
Seems like he wants to take Brianna for revenge.
Frank isn't taking anyone. He's letting Bree make her own choice. He just knows bloody well that Brianna will likely choose him over Claire. Claire knows it as well, which is why she's so upset.
I feel so bad for Frank. He just has one simple wish, to live with someone who loves him. He gave up everything in the hope of Claire's love. He loved Bree more than Jamie would have loved her.
ya
I wouldn't go that far. Jamie would have adored Brianna.
@@xaviervega468 He does. Even enough to let her go - as far as he knew back then - forever, before she was even born.
They both had major faults, but due to being separated first by the war then her going through the stones, experiencing something new, loss of a child then having Bree knowing what was coming it kept building. Then when she returns there’s no words to describe such horrors, the impact it would have on someone emotionally, mentally and physically is indescribable. Neither one is innocent, it wasn’t easy and you can’t blame them for wanting better. They went about it wrong, mostly attitude wise. Very realistic tho, great acting.
BJR comes out of Frank shell
She didn’t deserved Frank.
This fight was so good it hurts. God. ❤❤❤
Claire is such a damn hypocrite. She's cheated on Frank every day of their marriage since she came back. He was good enough to raise her child, put her through medical school, but not good enough to put the memory of Jamie aside.
happybkwrm thing is that you can't help how you feel and she didn't love Frank Claire was very upfront about the whole thing, she never tried to hide what happened, so Frank has no one to blame but himself. She did try, she did ask for a divorce when Brianna was younger and Frank refused because he was afraid that the courts would grant custody to Claire since mothers were more favoured and then he would be prevented from seeing Brianna. Then when he does suggest a divorce he threatens to take away her daughter? By having her move with him to London? That's low. At that time there weren't as many options for woman as there are today.
So she let him fall in love with her child and then wanted a divorce... Brianna was closer to Frank. By the time he asked for a divorce, she could choose to go with him. He wasn't kidnapping a child. And now Claire decides to abandon her daughter to find a man she hasn't seen in twenty years? I'd never walk away from a daughter for a man.
Its fictional for one, its not like its real life. I dont want to give anything away but who knows what the future holds.
I can never know how it would feel to have to leave the love of my life as Claire had too and I am sure she tried to set his memory aside, but when a love is that powerful I am sure that its not something you can fully do, so you just have to live with it. It seems to me that she really tried and Frank was the one who never let her forget it. She didn't want to leave Brianna or have Brianna feel like she was abandoning her which is why she initially gave up the search for Jamie. It was Rodger who brought the search back to her and even then she told him that she wasn't going to continue. If it were my mom and I came to the realization that she was that deeply unhappy then I would do the same thing that Brianna did, because I would want my mom to be happy if it meant being reunited with the lover of her life.
Also how could she EVER look at him the same and not see his ancestor who he happens to look exactly like and not think of all the awful things he did to her and Jamie, that is something that you could never get over.
thank you so much for uploading clips from the latest eps - do you plan to upload more from this episode? or is youtube not letting you :(
I wonder if Frank decided to split from Claire after finding out she had returned to Jaime through correspondence with the preacher but, a part him couldn't believe it so he had to ask her outright, and her response was "doesn't exist." Gut wrenching really... admitting the truth you always known all along.
Ok, sé que a este Frank lo hicieron menos racista e infiel que en los libros, pero igual lo odio, porque se ve como una víctima cuando él también tomó sus propias decisiones. Habría podido divorciarse hace años, pero eligió quedarse y condenar a una mujer que lo amaba a ser la amante. Jamie, siendo del Siglo XVIII, resulta ser más comprensivo y abierto con Claire que Frank, que al final sólo quería que ella se quedase en la casa. A Jamie le cuesta al principio, pero siempre le dio autonomía para tomar sus decisiones. La ve como una líder, confía en sus opiniones y la escucha. Y también los amigos de Jamie resultan ser más abiertos al liderazgo de una mujer que los colegas intelectuales de Frank.
Pero Jamie es el protagonista común no tiene nada de especial
Luis Rosales no es el protagonista común, porque su virilidad no se pone en duda por haber sido violado por otro hombre, ser menos inexperto sexualmente que su pareja o aceptar que ella destaque en muchas situaciones. Sí, es atractivo físicamente como muchos protagonistas, pero tiene otros aspectos que no son tan comunes, como su genuina curiosidad por el mundo del que viene su mujer y estar dispuesto a cambiar su mentalidad, no sólo por amor, sino porque es capaz de reconocer que es lo correcto.
@@liol3409 es solo ficción si vamos a la realidad los hombres del siglo XVIII eran mucho más machistas y cerrados que los del siglo XX.
Javier Adriazola claro, no me había dado cuenta que una serie con viajes en el tiempo no era realista. Obviamente, estoy hablando del universo de la serie, no tomándola como la generalidad, aunque siempre hubo personajes que se salieron de la norma dominante.
I lost all sympathy for Frank when I found out he cheated on Claire during the war…
Seriously who takes Frank's side on this, the show is about Claire and Jamie. Claire upfront told him everything and her cheating does not exsist cause neither did Frank so is not cheating at all. And how could she look at Frank and not see Randall after all the horrible shit he did to her and Jamie like ewww. He waited till Brianna was grown to get a divorce.
yah... but you forget none of that was frank's fault. frank was just some guy who married a woman and suddenly this woman disappeared from his life and then she came back and was pregnant and saying how she had fallen in love with some other dude and then he has to raise the child his wife had with another man. Not only that, but his wife looks at him like he's a monster because of stuff his ancestor did, even though he's a completely different person. the show may be about claire and jamie, but that doesn't stop people from having the ability to think for themselves and have empathy for frank, as someone who got caught in the middle of a time-travelling clusterfuck. we all like claire and jamie, but that doesn't mean we can't also see frank's side and acknowledge that his situation was just as difficult as claire's and jamie's.
Ruthie Blondet only idiots take his side.
How was anything that Jack Randall did Frank's fault? She disappeared from his life for 2 years, comes back pregnant with another man's child, and Frank is good enough to raise that child with her. He hoped beyond hope that Claire could fall in love with him again and it never happens. Who wouldn't be a little bitter? And if Frank had gotten a divorce earlier you know damn well Claire would have gotten custody of Brianna. So yeah I don't blame Frank one bit for waiting.
@@xaviervega468 exactly!
venomusdrake 288 Only idiots see a complex situation like this in black and white.
Es stellt sich auch die Frage, warum ist sie bei ihm geblieben obwohl sie ihn nicht mehr geliebt hat. Es war schon herzlos Franks Liebe zur ihr als Vater und Versorger zu benutzen. Und sie hat ihn dadurch die Chance genommen sich neu zu verlieben. Ein sehr trauriges Leben für ihn!
In den Büchern hat Sie ihn die Scheidung angeboten er wollte aber nicht. Frank wollte Claire kontrollieren und wollte sie nicht gehen lassen
@@slaonestephens7575Sie ist doch eine kluge Frau!
Sie hätte trotzdem gehen können. Denn sie dachte das Jamie tot ist und somit hätte sie bis ans Ende ihres Lebens SO leben wollen? Wer einmal die wahre Liebe kennen gelernt hat, gibt sich nicht mehr mit weniger in einer Beziehung zufrieden. Lieber alleine ALLEIN als zu zweit ALLEIN
@@simoneknospe954 Naja ich glaube die zeitlichen Umstände hatten darauf einen Einfluss es waren halt die 1940s. Da war eine Scheidung nochmal was anderes als heutzutage
Ja da hast du recht und sie wollte sicher einen realen Vater für ihre Tochter. Aber ein Leben ohne Liebe wäre traurig und furchtbar, egal zu welcher Zeit
@@simoneknospe954 da stimme ich dir voll und ganz zu.
SPOILER ALERT:
I have only read to book three, but this fight in the book is better in my opinion and Frank is NO saint. Brianna is 18, but has not graduated yet and is telling Clair that he is stealing her to England to finish her senior year and it’s also because of his racism (yes it is only 1966, but I thought Britain was supposed to be better with their racism(better not perfect)). He does not want Bri to date the black boys that are family or friends with Clair’s doctor friend and says “everybody thinks you are having an affair with that doctor friend of yours.” Clair does file back about him having many affairs and Frank is shocked to hear this he then says, “you could have given a dang (actually swear, though).” Clair replies back, “I always said I would have given you up if I asked for it.” After Frank dies we also learn that he knew early on (I believe) that Jamie survived Culloden. He also continued to worship Black Jake Randall even after Clair told him everything. There relationship in the book was different too though. They switched the getting on each other nerves part. When Clair first comes to the hospital Randell shouts, “my wife comes back three years later and pregnant and I cannot confront her about it?!” In Boston they go about their normal lives. I believe they have one bed not two and he has several women not just one.
Was this after or before Frank knew Cliare would return back to Jamie??
That amount of time doesn't exist
I don’t know How I could do that if I was man living in that time with that type of power boooy. I wouldn’t care what happened to her I would kicked her to the side and some people saying that Jamie would have killed for her, and I couldn’t say the same for frank wasn’t he looking for her for years and paid her bills 💵 and took care of her and her daughter that wasn’t even his. This character is tripping ☺️
I love how the writers KEEP INPERSISTANT TO FAVOR FRANK, treating Claire just like a cheater/traitor and a bitch and that's it, it's very funny considering this IS CLAIRE'S STORY, NOT FRANK'S !!! ; I get it that the writers love Tobias Menzies (i love him too) but they really, really tried to ruined the MAIN character in favor of a character who only appeared for THREE seasons ?? ; Ok .............. !!! .
Sorry but facts are facts. Frank was the one who really tried to make it work and Claire was the one that didn't make the same effort. Her love for Jamie was just too strong.
My sympathies lie mainly with Frank. In the Starz series, he's a good man who stays with Claire for Brianna's sake, even though she's not his biological daughter. Frank also shares very little of Black Jack's ruthlessness - even when he was mad at Claire in episode 1 of Season 2, he couldn't bring himself to hit her.
In an ideal world, Frank and Claire would have given it another go. Frank could have helped Claire make peace with losing Jamie, even though she would never have forgotten him entirely. Frank and Claire would have worked together to build a caring and content marriage, one based on trust rather than violence and bitterness. And would they have ever told Brianna the truth about her real father? That's something they could have revisited and redecided too.
I stopped watching this show just for frank, i felt very bad for him, he had no part in it, why destroy such character
Ouch 💔
Poor Frank. Claire sucks.
Sorry Frank you conned her into marrying you knowing full well she loved someone else then blamed her for your pain.
Claire was so horrible to him for no reason at all.
Frank's only crime was not being Jamie.
Try to take? Brianna made her position pretty clear on which parent she'd choose.
That's why Claire is so mad. She knows bloody well Bree will choose to go with Frank.
Frank is a victim
I hate Claire So much
I think Frank cheated on her during the war too.
He did.
Damn. It’s been 17 years? Poor Frank.
You know I first started out liking Frank before Claire went through the stones and I did feel bad for him after she disappeared but he slowly starting turning into Black Jack and this seen truly made me dislike him. Breanna wasn't his to try to take from Claire no matter how much he loved her because she was still Jamie's. I know it must have been hard for Frank to try to love a woman that no longer loved him in the hopes she would forget about Jamie. You can't blame Claire for what happened nor Frank but he should have asked for a divorce instead of cheating on her and then trying to take Breanna away after she turned 18. It wasn't Claire's fault what happened to her and she never intended to fall in love but it happened and yes every time Claire would look at Breanna she would be instantly reminded of Jamie. I am sure it was just as hard for Claire to look at the man that she once loved and was constantly reminded of Black Jack, again not her fault.
Brianna is Frank's daughter in every way that counts. Not Jamie's fault he couldn't raise her, but the hard truth is Jamie was little more than a sperm donor at this point. Frank was the one that put the work in, that's what being a father means. Also Frank is correct when he say "I don't think I'll have to" He did the heavy lifting in raising Brianna, so he knows bloody well Brianna will likely choose to go with him., he's not forcing her to do anything. Claire knows it as well, that's why she's so pissed.
As far as divorce, family courts are stll very unfair to men now, they were EVEN WORSE back then, men stood very little chance of even getting joint custody. Yes Claire more than likely wouldn't have kept Bree from Frank, but Frank is also correct that Claire hasn't been vey good about keeping her other promises to Frank.. Why would he trust her on that.
Honestly I can't bring myself to watch past season 2 and the more clips I see of the following seasons the less I want to. Claire is as selfish and hypocrite as they come... She ruins the story for me. There, I said it.
Am I the only one who doesn't feel sorry for Frank? Does that make me a bi***?
@Eye0ftheSt0rm Yeah, that makes sense. I respect your opinion, he had had a right to step out on her she did years before.
@Eye0ftheSt0rm I don't think she ruined his life. She was up front with him about her love for Jamie. Frank should have left in the beginning.Yes, he was hoping she'll fall in love with him again but that isn't Claire's fault that she didn't. Noone is at fault.
One thing Claire is at fault for is she made promises she couldn't keep. She should have told Frank from the beginning that her heart would always belong to Jaime.
Chandra Robinson It’s not that simple. They both had done their share of wrongdoing. However, in this telling I’d say that she had done the lions share of mistakes. I don’t know too many men in real life who would stay with a woman who was carrying another man’s child regardless of the circumstances. In some societies, she’d be publicly shamed or even killed if her extramarital affair was made publicly known. The fact that he stayed with Claire knowing Brianna wasn’t his child and didn’t just drop her like a bad habit says a lot. He also waited until she was grown before wanting to divorce her mother. He wasn’t perfect but he wasn’t a total asshole either. Nothing was black and white which make this a good story.
@@jeniserobinson8585 Claire is at Fault for everything, Frank is punk for not ditching her ass from the begining
Claire was immature to love anyone
Just can't trust women
Thats not fair. Cause some Men sure as hell cant be either
LMAOOOOO...............DON'T TAKE THIS PERSONAL, SOME MEN AIN'T SHIT EITHER