Pokemon But I Only Care About Getting Insanely Rich
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- Опубликовано: 29 фев 2024
- I played Pokemon Fire Red to see how much money the game would let you collect - without using any of the "money glitch" methods (VS. Seeker, recurring items, etc.) If you played the game optimally trying only to make the most money - what is the net value of your cash + items? Let's find out!
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Turns out the real treasure was the 60 mandatory friends we made along the way ❤
When is the Q-nuzlocke (Quzlocke)?
No.
and that, my friends, is where being a pokemon millionaire is different than being a real one.
To be a REAL millionaire, you _start_ with 60 friends... and then one by one you throw them all under the bus for the sake of profit 🤗
While fake-grinding up Meowth, did you minimize your attack EV's? That would raise the chance of needing more hits further.
And for the later battles, wouldn't it just have been better to use 6 Meowths, or eventually Persians?
When you stream and are inside the game at the same time. 11:18
Fun fact getting rich as hell was the goal of the the MC of the Sun and Moon manga. He named his Alolan Meowth “Cash”
I didn't know about this but I've been playing pokemon emerald with mostly bug types (just cause I like em) and I have a money theme. Cash, Money, Dollar, Yen, Change, and the Unnicknamed Shedinja beat Flannery this morning
@@popeval6654 You should name the Shedinja Charon or Obol (in reference to charon's obol) since it relates to the coin you place on a dead person so they can pay the ferryman to cross the River Styx.
You can probably guess why it would be for Shedinja
@@popeval6654...how did you beat flannery, a fire type gym, with shedinja...was yer shedinja just...very fast?
@@WevTheGamma IIRC because shedinja only has one HP originally any item that operates like sturdy made it indestructible, this would be patched in later games
@@d3str0i3r wait...that worked in hoenn????-
I truly never thought I'd see a run where Foresight is useful. Incredible work
Not even a pre-gen4 monoFighting run?
@@ceulgai2817 I dunno lol. Didn't think too much about it
@@ceulgai2817fighting types learn other mobes tho
@@rubutu8408 Mostly Normal moves when it comes to physical attacks.
@@ceulgai2817 most learn dark type moves, and if the fighting pokemon has another typing. So foresight isnt even useable with fighting type monolocke
Here's the thing though. You want to maximize the number of times you use Pay Day to maximize payout. A Lvl 100 Meowth with Pay Day will steamroll a lot of competition, but also 500 Pokedollars every attack.
So the best Meowth is one with the lowest Attack IV's and EV's to ensure that Pay Day hits the lowest while paying out the most
All the better if you can manage to get its attack lowered by six stages, probably through Baton Pass.
Ah, but a level 100 Meowth with the lowest attack might not be able to get through Giovanni or Bruno. I think to maximize Paydays, you would need to determine what the lowest possible level is that you can beat any given battle while using exactly your PP in Payday, barring crits.
You will also want max defence and heath Iv and ev’s to survive long enough
Use 6 Meowths too.
@@nickbourgade8473 That might require more Meowths, though.
The best part of the Pokémon economy is that its based off Yen, which equivocates 100 yen to about 1 dollar. So the final total is about 1/100 what you might think
In AUD it would be about $21,457.38
Well for a kid 20k does seems like 2 million...
2,138,041 of today's yen would equal 14,121.15 USD. However, pokémon Fire Red came out in 2004. Adjusting for inflation ¥2,138,041 in 2004 is ¥2,416,462.82 today, or $15,956.05 American.
That's just over 9 months of the average rent in the US or 2 years and 3 months in Tokyo prefecture (the real-life equivalent to the Kanto region.)
@@LuckySketcheskanto is based on kantō
it's like 150 now in current economy lol
8:20 you can actually keep the S.S. Anne from going away by deliberately fainting inside the ship after getting the HM. That way you can return later for greater profit. (It's the only way to get that lava cookie in fact).
But was it worth it since he loose money by fainting
He would lose money by blacking out though. For the least possible profit loss, he would have to skip Misty and catch a level 2 mon. After beating the ship rival and before getting the HM, he would have to deposit his party into the PC, withdraw the level 2 mon, then get Cut and lose a battle on the ship. This way, he would lose only 100 for not selling a ball and 16x2 for lossing a battle (because in FRLG, money lost for blacking out is dependant on number of badges obtained and level of mons in your party).
@@acdcljb I think poisoning doesn't make you lose money if you faint out of battle, at least in FR/LG
@@saxor96 I think it does, though? Either way, is there a convenient place to get poisoned near the ship?
@@acdcljb Route 5 has Odish with poisonpowder in Fire Red, so that could be an option.
But I don't remember them mentioning any money lose when you faint outside of battle... Maybe it just skips the text but the loss still happens.
two potential money misses
1. all items return 50% of their value if you sell them, except pokeballs which come with a free premiere ball if you buy a stack of 10, and I'm pretty sure they hold value too
2. if you're poor (or invested everything) you are let into the safari zone for free to avoid softlocking
Premier balls are not in FRLG for some reason. The second money miss is definitely a way he could’ve saved money though!
I'm not so sure on that second one because investing in this game necessarily incurs a loss of half the money. I can't think of a time where it's worth it to save those 500 by losing half the previously established net worth.
@@NickJamNGit is, though since he would have spent at least that much on ultra balls afterward. It's also a case of pathing, where he could have cleared the safari zone for free before running back to bully all of the early game trainers.
You can spend the money on cheaper things for a smaller loss
The price of the item doesn’t matter if it’s 50% of everything. 1x100/2=10x10/2
9:31 You CAN however lose infinite money gambling. Stay out of the casino, kids. They smell really bad.
Hear me out: You can make infinite percent of your money (this is a joke)
You can only lose 100 percent of your money but can win 2000 percent ofnit
The casino can only take all the money you have, not infinite. Short selling on the stock market on the other hand... You borrow shares, sell them, and then are obligated to rebuy and return them after a set time. If the stock goes down, you profit. If it goes up, you lose. If it goes waaaaay up, you might lose way more than you have.
If you got the bike using the voucher, even though it’s a key item, I’d say it’s still worth an extra million in your total net worth (or $500,000) if you’re going by what it should be sold for
If he got the voucher and never swapped it for a bike would it keep its total value?
@@GivenForver no the voucher isn’t worth anything but the bike does have a value. It’s like how a coupon isn’t worth anything but it can be used to buy something worth something that coupon is for
could've been further optimized by using a low attack IV Meowth, thus getting more attack in each battle because it deals less damage
And also by keeping it at the minimum level possible that still lets you complete the fights. (Or even investing more Pokeballs into more lower-levelled Meowths.) But doing all that optimally would make the routing absurdly difficult.
@@MrCheezeI don't know if lowest possible level would be optimal, but at minimum you'd want a Meowth that just barely missed the one-shot (save scumming until you needed a maximum low roll, so that Meowth was as high level as possible) and then you'd switch in your level 100 for maximum coins on the overkill finisher. It would make the routing absurd, especially since you'd need to keep catching and leveling them up, but given that you only need a single level 20 Payday to pay back the pokeball on every Meowth (10 with the amulet coin) it would be well worth it from a strictly financial standpoint.
@@PerfectlyGenericUser You're giving me even more ideas, true optimality is even crazier than I thought. I'm thinking now about a minimum-level minimum-attack Meowth holding brightpowder, which means that your opponent can keep missing every turn while you keep chipping away 1hp at a time with Pay Day... and then finally they hit you when you're out of PP or they're at 1HP, to make sure it doesn't actually gain experience (after one or more low-levelled Meowths, you can swap to a high-levelled Persian at the end for cleanup if necessary).
@@MrCheeze Yeah, being truly optimal would require obscene amount of RNG manipulation. Unfortunately I don't think you can get a level 1 pokemon with Payday in FRLG, so you're stuck with a level 18 Meowth as your weakest option without trading shenanigans. So you'll want five min-attack Meowths at level 18 OR the highest possible level to deal 1 damage to the opponent on a low-roll, plus a single level 100 Persian. Get the pokemon down to 1HP with Meowths - or as close as you can get with all 100PP of Pay Day on them- then finish them off with the Persian
Other musings I couldn't get to work:
PP Ups would probably pay for themselves if there's enough trainers with the total bulk to warrant it
Having them be Burned is optional, I'm uncertain if the extra cost to heal them would be worth the extra uses of a higher-level Payday you'd get as a result.
I can't figure out a good way to reliably get a 6-stage attack drop onto your own pokemon but if you could Baton Pass a drop onto them you could use MUCH higher level pokemon while still dealing chip damage.
Using a Leppa Berry or even an Ether to get more uses of Pay Day is worth it, but no PP-restoring items can be infinitely purchased in FRLG so any acquisition of them wold technically violate the repeatable farming clause.
If you can trade pokemon from another game, oh boy. You can get Pay Day on a level 1 Hoppip through breeding in gen 2. Between the lower level, no STAB, and lower Attack, you can guarantee you'll be doing chip damage on dang near anything, ensuring all 100+ uses of Pay Day in every possible encounter, and at a significantly higher level than meowth can achieve.
Becoming a rich Pokémon master to show mom she'll regret kicking you out at 10 the story of true revenge
Even if it was for a brief moment, seeing Mr. Nido being at level 100 was such a nostalgia trip. That was the first mon I ever got to level 100
You forgot to get the bike voucher from Mr. Pokemon, giving you an asset that's effectively worth one million.
This was your best video by far. I genuinely laughed at some jokes and the editing was good. I’d love if u do ur future vids in this format.
It makes me wonder what the sweet spot for level is since at some point a lower level might get more pay day uses which equates to more coins being dropped from a battle.
What I think could have worked was having 2 mons. 1 the lvl 100 meowth and 2 a Persian that is around 18 levels above its competition late game. The meowth cleans up the trainers until Persian comes to constantly hit pay days before it dies switching back to the meowth to finish the job.
i hate to be that guy but surely it would have been better to buy 10 pokeballs at a time to get a free premier ball instead of buying ultra balls (to preserve net worth)
Well, it would be if it wasn't Fire Red or Leaf Green. Premier Ball cannot be obtained in those, only via trade with R/S/E
@@kirua258 damn that sucks
Glad to see you back!
17:39 This immediately made me think of the Energy Guru from R/S/E who occasionaly sells stat boosters at half price. Unfortunately that only happens after you have entered the Hall of Fame.
Though I doubt you can reach the money cap in R/S/E at all, since there is no Pokemon that learns Pay Day in Hoenn as far as I know.
In the Emerald battle frontier, you can earn battle points, and with those, you can buy vitamin items. Once you have a streak going it's actually pretty easy to get to the money cap in Emerald. As for RS... yeah I don't know.
You can trade a Skitty for a Meowth in the Battle Frontier in Emerald too, so you can actually have Pay Day in this game.
The battle frontier battles are repeatable and therefore banned
When I saw your names for yourself and Blue, I cracked up and immediately paused the video to write this.
This reminds me of a thought i once had:
Since Team Rockets main objective is making money,
Why didn't they just amass an army of goons, give all of them 6 meowth that know pay day, and go to some basement and have them fight each other only using pay day. That should generate so much money and no one could complain.
Meowth money /could/ be pushed a tad further, because a level 100 meowth will kill things in one hit. Cuz money scales linearly, and damage output is /roughly/ quadratic (damage has a term for level and attack, which is linear+ a constant) a level 1 meowth would net the most money if it knocked out a pokemon...
but... PP is a thing, and if a level 2 meowth and a level 1 meowth both didn't kill a mon then the level 2 meowth is better. So what you'd want, for each trainer, is a team of weak ass meowths (that through some heavenly providence survive) that get to spam out all their PP, and in the process leave all the opponents mons on 1 HP, whence the lvl 100 boy can knock them out.
It's so stupid complicated, and would strictly involve savestates to get minimum damage rolls, but it's there, I guess...
What a fantastic video! Thanks for going through hell planning and playing all of this do we don't have to. I was lying awake in bed for countless nights, thinking about how rich you could be in Pokémon. The curse is now lifted
I heard they're holding the last guy who had a million liquid pokedollars in a Cinnabar island gulag until he tells them how he did it.
I checked your channel like 15 times after the previous video, you are the most underrated pokemon nuzlocker in my opinion. Love from India
Don't forget that it's pokedollars, which are equivalent to yen. So divide by 100 to get roughly the USD value, and you get about 21k, which is still pretty solid pocket money for a 10 years old child in the 90s
The assumption that being at max level will lead to maximum profit is not necessarily true
Lower levels but more repetitions can be more profitable
But the math get messy quickly.
The level of exp management required would be insane
Let's say a level 100 Meoth would one shot a trainer Pokemon. But a level 60 would two shot it. That means the level 60 has made more money than the level 100 on the same trainer.
Great video! I was super excited when I saw you posted a new one. Didn't disappoint.
My preferred in FRLG is the nugget bridge nugget loop, repeating method so obviously doesn’t apply to the vid.
So glad to see you back after a brief period of time.
So happy to see you back, I missed your great content!
Definitely one of your best videos yet! Great writing, editing choices, and it felt more personal. Also... next stream when? 👉👈
Thank you! No planned streams right now but definitely will have some soon. 🙏🏻
Absolutely amazing and entertaining throughout the whole video :D
You really outdid yourself with that one!!
Awesome video. You nailed this new format
Great to see you back Rylockes! Amazing video as always
Could probably have made more by using covet or theft on trainers as well. Snorlax learns covet in its 40s and if you then breed it, you might get a low level snorlax with covet which therefore won't deal too much damage to the opponent so you could still cash out on the paydays or you just roll with the initial snorlax.
This is even less impressive when you consider that Pokédollars are based on Yen, so you really only made about 15,000 dollars in USD.
Ah yes, the Husuian saying from Calaba states that "All lives touch other lives to create monetary policy favorable to the ones who seize financial opportunity and allocates their investments well"
This is a really neat video concept!
Honestly it seems like the same vibe to just use a gillion paydays on wild pokemon for infinite money. But this video was entertaining in an unhinged way.
It also illustrates how you can only get so far with legit work, and to be a billionaire requires... a little more rule bending and stepping on toes, let's say
Question: would it have been better for the E4 to bring more Pay Day users vs. PP restoring items? I guess the question is whether the price of a Pokeball is greater than an Ether + Leppa Berry 🤔
Edit: Oh, you said the Ether was $600, so I think the answer is yes, you save some money by catching and bringing another Meowth!
yoooo welcome back! missed ur vids
A few thoughts:
1. Since a bike is being sold in-universe for $1,000,000, I think you could get one with the voucher and consider your net worth increased by $1,000,000 even if the mechanics prevent you from selling it in-game, but that really comes down to semantics.
2. I'd argue auto-leveling Meowth is technically breaking your own rules. Consider the following:
- If Meowth only knows Pay Day when caught, then it cannot be leveled without Rare Candies or fighting Pokemon
- If you fight wild Pokemon, you can't use Pay Day without breaking the repeatable exploitation rule.
- You'd need to fight trainers until learning another move so that you could then use that to grind instead of Pay Day
- You can't assume rare candies since they aren't available in enough quantity to reach 100 at that point and using them costs money that would've had to be factored in.
- Struggle training is also out since you'd have to get potions to keep HP up and there's no knowing how many it'd take to reach 100 (plus there's that pesky Pay Day PP needing to be used up to get to the point of struggling).
For number 2, the fix is probably something simple like teaching it a TM move that does damage for grinding or using enough candies/trainers that it learns a move, but I don't think it really damages the challenge to the point of it needing redone. It really just struck me as an interesting paradox to consider. This was a really fun video overall and I enjoyed the editing and tone of it!
he could also have switch trained the meowth on wild pokemon using his starter
Using foresight WAS JUST BRILLIANT
does payday not create coins when it misses? Otherwise spamming it against ghosts until you run out of PP then switching in a Ghost-killer Pokemon sounds way more profitable...
It's not equivalent to dollars, it's equal to yen or cents
Calling Poke, "dollars" is one of my Pokemon pet peeves
Game developed by Japanese company, produced by another Japanese company, for a Japanese console, and based in a pseudo-Japanese region.
Americans: Oh the currency must be USD!!!
Annoying US-defaultism.
@@garethdwright91 To be fair, they called it "dollars" (not in Japan, but still).
Great vid! Thanks for the entertaining experiment 🤑
You forgot the lava cookie before ssanne
Pokedollars are clearly based on Yen and 2,138,041 yen is only 14,339 usd.
In 2004 when FRLG came out the exchange rate was .0095 so it was more like 20,311, which would be about 33,000 today when adjusted for inflation.
14k when you’re 10 is crazy tho
You are the reason why spoiler shields exist
💀 easy money
this was such a fun video and cool idea, though you could have kept track of how much money you converted into ultra balls and technically "lost" so you could have a more accurate final assessment :*
still impressive work on the run though, I wonder will someone crazy enough to optimize it ever step up? stuff like getting the perfect IVs on meowth to maximize defenses and minime damage dealt so you can use payday more times, TASing and manipulating RNG in the safari zone to catch every pokemon in one ball (plus perfect routing to cover the most areas), i lt would be impressive honestly
Love this new subscriber for sure!
a few other methods, you can use Thief (which is learnable by many pokemon, including meowth), to steal an item, so if we know what pokemon have items that, when stolen, are worth more than the pay day hit (or when we'd otherwise not get a OHKO thanks to not being STAB), we can also directly convert actions into items.
Chekhov's Abra was such a good storytelling method lmao
Act that it said "41 pokemon caught" after all of that made the deus ex Abra seem less important
I had no idea foresight worked on after switching for a normal type, damn i didn’t know that.
Wild Shellder: **appears**
10 Year Old Me: "Oh nice, my favourite Pokemon! Murkrow, snatch his pearl. Got it? Perfect, bye bye shell thing." **running noises**
converting the pokedollars to yen, then to usd, it's only a bit less then 200k
Your math is way off, it's like 12K USD
This was a really entertaining vid👌
You could calculate your net worth on how much the items cost, and not what the mart buys them back for. Almost like collectibles which are worth x on paper but will never sell for that
Maximizing your earnings in Pokemon is mainly to purchase the expensive TMs you want or need as early as possible and buying a bunch of healing items to knock out Pokemon as fast as possible and go to Pokemon Centers as infrequently as you can so you can beat the game quickly. Beating the game quickly is important because there's 50 11 Pokemon games to play, especially ROM Hacks.
The king is back!
Missed you man
Ways you might be able to make more:
1) Self burn/use attack lowering moves and baton pass to get your meowth to be able to use more paydays per battle
2) Spend a tiny amount more catching more meowths at different levels so you can have lower attack stats for the same reason (e.g. you might be able to get 2 attacks with a level 70 meowth vs 1 with a level 100)
The comedic story telling made this video so entertaining to watch! W video dude
Man, that ending is depressing. No matter how much money you get, you can't buy that goddamn bike...
just discovered u from ur 100x sapphire, loved this video too!
"Grinding on the trainer and collecting money" oh dear
Huh, I NEVER knew mushrooms spawned there, and I feel like I am about to find a bunch of things I never knew in this video.
Love that you named your character Bezos
Should have maxed out Moewth's EVs when setting it to level 100. Depending on which pokemon you fight, you could (probably) put nothing into attack in order to minimize that stat.
Also, changing Meowth's IVs so it has 0 attack might have helped as well.
Probably not the biggest deal though since it's probably doesn't increase the number of times you can use pay-day by much.
That Good Morning rip at the beginning caught me off guard harder than it should've
This would be a lot better if Meowth wasn’t artificially leveled up…
9:19 You made a mistake you could have gave the girl fresh water (cost 200) instead of lemonade (cost 350) so you would have ended up with 150 more pokedollars.
have you compared what will you get via evolving meowth and getting more money thanks to lvl vs using as weak meowth as possible and using more moves / battle? hitting pay day three times at level 34 gets you more money than ohkoing at lvl 100
A bit of micro that could've added value is buying standard Pokeballs in sets of ten to get the free premiere ball which if I remember correctly still sells for value so you'll be able to add that to the final count
Return of the King
Great idea, cant believe it hasnt been done before
Your videos are super funny! :D
Great video as always!
One tiny optimization I can see to save a buck: Breeding pokemon is free, until you get them out of the daycare. But you don't need to pay for eggs, so those are virtually free pokemon.
By catching a female Meowth up front, you can then get a male Eevee, get to the daycare on four island, deposit the eevee and meowth, then run around until you get 5 baby meowths, which you can then cheat up to lvl 100. This frees the masterball to be used instead of a pokeball on one of the 60 mandatory for Cerulean Cave, and you may be able to get through Giovanni & the Elite 4 with all meowths, meaning lower damage, more paydays, more $$$ at the end.
If you reaaaally want to optimize at the cost of the playthrough's runtime being longer, ensure all the meowths are bold or calm natured, so their attack stat is even lower.
Optimization Idea: Get Cut from traded Pokémon so you can save SS Anne Trainers until after Amulet Coin
I recently learned that, similar to "Pokémon" being called "Pocket Monsters", the Japanese version of "Pokédollars" is "Pocket Money", and I just think that's adorable! 🥰
You truly are a cool guy! I missed one rap, your voice is cut out for singing!
One thing I believe would work in theory, but definitely way too annoying to do in practice, is to use a Delibird on all non mandatory trainers up to that point. You're limited to 15 uses of present per Delibird (without PP UP) and assuming each use of the move heals the opponent, you can use some extra pay days for more cash. Assuming pay day isn't a OHKO, this can likely help out in several battles making the use of 5 pokeballs on them a worthwhile investment. The fact it's only a 20% chance to heal the opponent though would make this run a REALLY tedious experiment, even if a way was cheated in to make it heal every time.
If trading from other games is allowed, 5 Smeargles from Emerald with 4 presents could quadruple the results.
I'm confused - does the whole "get Cut, get fainted to escape the ship, go back to ship" no longer work in remakes? Surely the profit from going back to ship later would outweight one-time loss fee?
Idk if its possible or not but when you said investing i immediately thought that you could buy items whose value increases in the johto games so its actually investing, im not sure if such sn item exists or not
It's funny that they make the bike worth a million dollars, just so it's impossible to buy it on your own. You have to find the guy with the voucher.
Can’t you optimize more by getting meowths with lower attacks and more ev’s /natures in defense and hp?
I think your videos rly improved a lot with the added facecam
I like how you refer to the game as FireRed but you’re playing LeafGreen
That last twist joke got me, good woek
you can juice your returns a lot by breeding a meowth with charm and psych up, lowering pay day's damage output to 1/4 of the normal amount. this is a substantial improvement worth conservatively 1.5-2x total returns over the course of the run
if you're willing to trade from RSE, it's possible to make infinite money in a single battle with a skitty using assist:
- skitty holds leppa berry to restore PP and knows assist and charm
- party consists of a pokemon that knows psych up, a pokemon that knows present, a pokemon that knows a recovery move, a pokemon that knows recycle, and a pokemon that knows pay day
- spam charm and assist against a resilient opponent (giovanni's rhyhorn for example). smack them with assist continually for tiny damage with pay day and present, while force-healing them with present
- never run out of PP because you recycle the leppa berry
- never run out of HP because of unlimited healing moves and using present to heal your opponent for much more than they take from -6 pay day and recoil from -6 struggle
this can easily be made finite by taking the leppa berry out, thus staying in line with the original rules. with multiple skitties in the party you can probably 10-20x the number of pay day hits per battle this way
it's a lot more involved than the original plan of charm and psych up, which gives you the best improvement for not too much additional work
Missed you bro
I think the bike is a joke… the money cap is an absolute troll…
still not able to afford that bike
Only 2 minutes in and I already had to smile and look away in shame by me getting caught of guard with the naming of your character.
This ought to be good
great video
Now do this in EVERY POKÉMON GAME
needed about 50 more meowths of varying lvls to maximize pay day usage
Very nice! Your next run will use the Nugget Bridge glitch, and your character will be named Elon. The main challenge will be seeing how many times you have to repeat the glitch before you max out.
oh that's a nice cover of Good Morning in the intro
Is it really optimal to be level 100? I mean, if you two shot à pokémon at level 51, it's better than one shot at 100
You know there are going to likely be several people (myself included) who want to see this continue in other games!!! ;)
i’m sorry, was that opening song from Omori with the gen 3 sound font???