Actually the best time to drink coffee IS around the time you finish your lunch. Once your body is on a decline the coffee helps give you that push and then once the food is truly being digested (after that 20-40 min time frame) you'll start to have that energy (unless you ate something that just slugs you). That's my method anyway. I read it somewhere and took it heart and it really works! Thanks for reading my TED TALK Comment.
My favourites as an enthusiast (not a pro): - PL 15mm - PL 25mm - Oly 45mm f1.8 - Oly 75mm - Oly 12-40mm f2.8 - Panasonic 14-140mm - Oly 75-300mm Wish list: PL 9mm. Having said this, there are so many awesome combinations of lenses that are great propositions. My priority has been (1) relatively fast, (2) strong value / price to performance, (3) smallish, cover a pretty full range of focal lengths. My criteria eliminated the f1.2 primes and PL 10-25mm and 25-50mm zooms but I recognise these are the lenses to get if quality is the priority. Great to have choices! Long live MFT!
Had to add a like and comment since this is like THE encyclopedia for M43 lenses and everyone is going ro reference this video for years. The only other review this comprehensive... is just from this dude but three years ago and that one is also dope 💯
Haha thanks for this comment! Sometimes with newer SEO stuff older info on these lenses can be hard to find and hopefully this can be some people’s starting place to find the direction they wanna go
1. Entertaining tier list. I'm just a hobbyist/budget-level Panny G95 owner and shoot quite a bit more stills than video (but still a fair bit of video) but still found this a fun video. I've got such a small fraction of these lenses (mostly in your D and C tiers) and I'll likely never be in the market for many of the exotic lenses. Nonetheless, this video reminds me of the incredible richness and diversity of choice in m43 system. And this video, of course, is just native glass - if you consider adapted lenses, well, it'd be a 3 or 4 hour video, right? 2. I know I don't have the highest standards, but as someone who's shot digital for over 20 years, it absolutely blows my mind how good the IQ and video quality you can get from entry level kit (and phones even!) these days -- heck, even over the last few years. Yes, there are still things that frustrate us at times and we always want to see better, but honestly, we really have it so, so good. 3. I'll be curious to see if the imminent introduction of a Panny phase-detect equipped G/GH model influences renewed interest in the format. Of course Oly has had it for years, but never had the same video feature set (even in the OM-1) as Panasonic. I'm definitely rooting for it, even if it takes me a few years before the G9m2s/G6m2s/GH5m3 approach my personal level of willingness to pay. Cheers!
Honestly even lenses in C I think are great and often offer something very unique! Mostly it’s the build quality or handling that suffers more than the actual optics. Sharpness and all that is kinda overrated imo haha. Most MFT lenses are made to a pretty high standard all things considered!
I find it interesting how the 9-18mm gets no love in the RUclips echo chamber, but I consistently get keepers out of it. Perhaps this exercise could be more compelling if you could share some of your sample photos taken with each lens as you rate them.
I have the Olympus 17 & 25 f1.2, and I can attest that these lenses are some of the best lenses I’ve ever used. The Olympus 40-150mm f2.8 is amazing for portrait work. The 9mm Panasonic Leica is just fantastic too. You didn’t give the Olympus 60mm macro much credit; this lens is fantastic!
What an epic, impressive, entertaining and exhaustive tier list! I learned a lot from this actually. It’s impressive how much you know about them. The PL 12-60 f2.8-40 is def one of my favourites. Definitely the best kit lens you can get imo. If Vazen sends you the anamorphics, can I borrow them after you’re done with them? 😂 Oh yeah, I don’t drink coffee after noontime. Beluga
Beluga. Thanks for making this. It's actually solid to get a bit of a commented overview of what is available. Currently looking at budget TTArtisans and 7Artisans line ups for fun.
I have used a few of each of their lenses and they both do decent work! Although the Mitakon Lenses have a special place in my heart for the F.95 and T1.0 Lenses.
Nice video. Understand that this is entirely subjective. Really good to hear your thoughts. My experience is that the 8-25mm is the more useful lens when compared to both the 8-18mm and 7-14mm. 7-14mm too bulky and heavy. Front element, filters, flare and barrel distortion, etc. Only downside when compared to the 8-18mm is lack of 2.8 aperature at wide end. But the focus clutch, long end being 25mm, build quality and semi-macro. Make it more of do everything lens. I also have the 9mm 1.7 so don't miss the low light. In many ways, It is the ultrawide brother of the 12-100mm (albeit without lens-is but for these focal lengths doesnt add that much if ibis is up to par). Anyways all the best.
I really wish I could get my hands on some Olympus lenses. I would be thrilled to take that 8-25 on a trip somewhere but alas I don’t need it personally (or so I?) I’d also love to try the 8-18 or 9mm but I’ve had the Laowa for a long time and that does the job for me. If I sold it though maybe I could justify one of these others…
@@lookylookie I know they look terrible, but just getting all the screenshots of the lenses and trying to remember what they all were was pretty crazy but it was fun as well so it evens out. Thanks for the subscribe and comment! Looking forward to seeing you around.
The Olympus 1.8 fisheye beluga lense can be be automatically "corrected" to be rectilinear in camera on some Olympus/OM models starting with the E-M1 II. Still photos only as far as I know.
@@RhettThompsonFilm I have the E-M1 II but the 1.8 fisheye is out of my price range so I just got the Laowa 7.5mm, which is great for the band shooting that I do.
It's a nice video and I mostly agree with your lens assessment. That said I was surprised to hear your praise of the closeup ability of the Leica 25-50. I have the lens and I felt compelled to go check again whether it is indeed great for closeups. It's not that great. Going through the entire zoom range with the focusing clutch ring set to closest focus, the smallest object I could capture along the wide side of the frame was 7.5cm across. That's not bac, but the Olympus 12-40 f2.8 blows the Leica 25-50 out of the water in the closeup comparison. I don't have the 12-40 anymore as I replaced it with the Leica 10-25, but I recall the Olympus being able to fill the long side of the frame with objects that were about 5cm across or maybe smaller. In the end it's not important how close you can shove a lens at an object, but the magnification you can achieve is what I think matters most.
We must be using different lenses with that assessment. In the 40-50mm range it has just about the closest focus and biggest reproduction of any lens I know of for micro four thirds. Blows the 35-100, Olympus 40-150, Olympus 12-100, Leica 42.5 and Olympus 45mm 1.8 and 1.2 well out of the water with typically double the reproduction. All those lenses are painfully far and usually have shorter focal lengths too. It’s not a macro by any means. The 12-40 specs say we’ve got a .3 magnification vs .21 so it is worse there but the aperture value is certainly something to consider too. I think the aperture is important to consider.
Hey Rhett…one of the more epic video I did watch..I agree mostly on All the lenses I tried curious jus where would you have put the adapted 18-35 sigma 1.8 which is a mythical légende in MFT. Having the Mitakon ciné set,it is much more versatile that I was first thinking ,like you said when closing it to T2 I use the set all the time in multicam setup for interview the 50mm got incredible compression… I love the pana 35-100 2.8 on gimbal with GH5s you got in live event concerts much more compact vs Canon 70-200 😂😂😂😂 So did you get the new pans GHxxx?😊
I think the 18-35 is certainly an easy S tier even though it’s adapted, although 50-100 I’d say that’s A tier. I do love the Mitakon set, do you have all four? I think I’ll have to review those soon.
@@RhettThompsonFilm Men you outdid even Gerald undone with this charts Tier👍👍👍👍👍 I have the whole Mitakon set 17,25,35,50 I even open one to see how it looks and because of a loosened screw on the 50mm which did not affect the image but was annoying soundwise so the inside is a lot of plastik and I could access it pretty easy not Special tork a la Apple but I needed probably to open la chambre noir I don't know who it calls in English the focusing zone which was to scarry to try but anyway I put everything back together and it is working just fine. T1-1.4 is with all lens pinkish dreaming ultra soft after it becomes better 1.4 color wise and that in pretty all models. Sharp at T2.8 sharpiest at 5.6 quasi modern and in all my glasses. What's cool and what I love is that when sweeping the lenses no need for expo or WB correction it pretty stays similar just the focal lens is changing it is good match for prosummer level of filming and I don t have the tools like Gerald Undone to make it scientifically correct. But they are great lenses and even when I put one on GH5,5s and BMPCC4K so 4 different models it is pretty easy toatch them because they have the same something wibe probably. Try them you will love the results...I don't know how it will act on pro set but for my usage they are great for artistic musical Videoclip even in classical music. Big fan of your channel stay put Fil
Hi Rhett, I agree with you almost 100%, but there are many lenses and I can't agree with all of them. In my opinion the Olympus 12-45 f4 pro deserves class A, because it is simply too qualitative, it is sharper than the 12-40 2.8, the Lumix 12-35, the 12-100 and the Leica 12-60, it is much more cheap, small and light of all these... For this reason it deserves class A. I tried the Olympus 300 f4 pro... it undoubtedly deserves the S class, it's too qualitative, a scary sharp image, the same goes for the Leica 200 mm f2.8, S class for it too... quality of image too higher than other prime numbers. (but have you evaluated the Leica 25mm f 1.4 and the Olympus 20mm f1.4?) Perhaps the Olympus 40-150 f2.8 pro could deserve another promotion, too much versatility, quality and usefulness all together (I think it is better than the 7-14 which in turn is better than the 12-40 :) ) Voigtlander super nokton 29.. f 0.8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! please try it... I heard that even at f 0.8 it offers a usable image, it must be fantastic! a sure S! but we still can't be sure until you try it. See you soon!
Interesting video. A lot of lenses/brands I have never heard about towards the end there. To me the reason to get into MFT was the (potential) compact size of the lenses (as well as the camera bodies), which seem to be something you are not too worried about. But isn't that a main reason to get into this system to begin with? (I think I have most of the "pancake" lenses from Lumix, i.e. the 14/2.5, 20/1.7 and 12-32/3.4-5.6) and they all fit into a small camera bag together with the Lunix GM5 and a 45-175 GX. Perfect for bringing on motorcycle trips.) I do almost only photos, but are not Power Zooms an advantage for making videos? I have the 14-42 GX as well as the 45-175 GX, and these were thought of as a good option for making smooth video zooms. (I have not used this feature much, as I take mostly photos, but video using manual zoom really stinks in my opinion. How do you get around this)? I also notice that the power zoom can be used while remotely controlling the cameras via the mobile app, which may be a gimmick, but quite impressive still. I do not think this is a feature in any APC or FF system. Regards Hallvard the Horrible
I do like the OPTION to have a small setup but as you correctly guessed its not really a top priority to me. I do like the idea of the power zooms but they are fairly average lenses and the zoom options were less than stellar in practice. Maybe if they had a 14-150 power zoom or something it would be nice but the overall package just wasnt doing it for me honestly although I', sure theyre good for someone out there!
@@RhettThompsonFilm Thank you for replying. Just wonder if you ever zoom when recording video, and if so how do you avoid the "jearkiness" (unsmooth) behavior you (or at least I) get when zooming manually?
Thanks for making this list Rhett. I hope you check the Sirui Nightwalker MFT lenses and include your opinion on the chat, to make your list more comprehensive. I appreciate your content!
Oh, you’re right! I actually might have recorded this video before they came out, but I would have loved to try those out or any ones from them honestly
Hi Rhett, I love the tierlist you made and the M43 videos you produce. I started videography a few months ago and am in love with the craft. I bought a GH6 with the 10-25mm f/1.7 as my first ever lens. Now, I'm looking for a supplementary lens with extra range for event photography (stand-up comedy shows, meet-ups in dim-lit cafes) and videography (informative cinematic travel videos of cities). Do you have any advice what lens would be best to get? I am doubting between the 25-50mm f/1.7 and the 35-100mm f/2.8. The first one since it is sort of a twin to the lens I already have, has multiple aperture levels, matches the imaging of my owned lens perfectly, and great for videography. The second for the extra range and Dual IS. The range of the first one concerns me when I want to capture people from a longer distance or make close-up shots of architecture details. Looking forward to an answer and some user experiences. Thank you so much in advance! 🙏
Congrats and welcome to the system! Personally I think the 25-50 is a little short for your needs, as in events that classic 70-200 look is definitely a standard for a reason. I’d you do weddings or events 35-100. If you do interviews and corporate I think the 25-50 is best.
Never seen a video like this, kudos to you for making it. On a funny note, I have the olympus 8mm body cap paired to my olympus Air, hooked up to my cell phone and get 16mp high quality images is well just fun, and c'mon 16mp images for the cell phone.... I have 13 olympus lenses mostly pro lenses, but I would put the 300 f4 in S bracket as I'm a bird/wildlife shooter, just a thought. Looking at some of the panasonic lenses to get away from my olympus fan boy guy thing, so this is very good and needed video. Cheers!
To be honest, I just recently used the 300 mm again and I’m inclined to agree with you. That lens is incredibly sharp and a joy to use. I may have to update this haha. I’d love to eventually check out that body cap lens too!
My favorite has been the Voigtlander 60mm. It's hard to replicate on other formats without being enormous. Even the Samyang EF 135mm f/2.0 is just about as wide and as heavy, but is twice the length.
I love the idea of the video but I couldn’t keep up with the constant switching back and forth between the lens photos you were showing. I was somewhat confused about what lens you were talking about. However I made it through most of the video and it is super helpful so I give the video a A/B!
Sorry to hear that! There’s so many lenses doing a proper job is hard. I beleive I talk about one lens at a time typically and usually announce it but yea the pictures aren’t super handy
@@RhettThompsonFilmIntended as constructive comment only because I love your channel and the idea of the video is fabulous. I have subscribed and will look forward to seeing more.
LOL, you put the Panasonic 9mm f/1.7 in S-Tier because it's in it's own class, but put the Olympus 12-100mm F/4 IS Pro in A-tier... a lens that's also in it's own class. There is NO LENS in the world that covers 24-200mm with an F/4 constant aperture... and has IS on top and only a 15cm focus distance.... and amazing weather sealing. This is a one lens do it all setup. For a LOT of people, this lens will NOT be coming off much. Come on bruh, be objective.
You haven’t watched many tier list videos before have you haha objectivity isn’t exactly the goal. You’re probably right though, I think that’s fair to put the Oly in S probably.
@@RhettThompsonFilm I haven't but... point I'm trying to make is that if you only had ONE lens to shoot an entire film or one lens to be 'stuck with' forever... the 12-100mm would be it. Doesn't matter how good primes are with DOF or sharpness (and it's not like the 12-100mm isnt sharp either), you're stuck at one focal length making it far too limiting. Go on a trek between all sorts of locations; mountains, forests, city, inside buildings, venues, etc. 12-100 will have you covered; sure f/4 isn't super wide open aperture, but it'll work in almost all situations, and at the 100mm (200mm FF equivalent) that's pretty respectable. The other thing is, too many times you just don't know what focal range you'd need; you can't predict it. It's not even that big of a lens anyway at just over 500g; less than the Panasonic 10-25mm f/1.7 you had in the S-Tier. So, for a do-it-all lens it's by far the most versatile lens on the market, and that includes APS-C and FF lenses, there are only a handful of lenses that come close, but each have some major tradeoff; Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8: A bit big and a little heavy, but 35mm isn't wide enough. Canon 24-105mm F/4 L IS: Same as the Olympus, but half the range. Canon 24-105mm F/2.8 IS: Massive lens, VERY expensive.... still half the range. Amazing aperture though. Fuji 16-80mm F/4 OIS: Good lens, but limited range and not as sharp as it should be for it's price Tamron 17-70mm F/2.8 IS: Excellent aperture, but not as wide at 17mm (25.5mm after APS-C math) but also short on range (70mm = 105mm) as it's APS-C only. Nikon 24-120mm F/4: Good lens, but a little soft at the long end and still almost half the zoom range. General 24-70mm F/2.8 lenses are all good, but the range is almost 1/3rd. And that's about all there is available across the board for all cameras available.... and with a lot of these, you really need to go full frame so if size is taken into equation, basically only Fuji makes sense with the X-S20 body and either a Fuji 16-80mm F/4 or the Tamron 17-70mm F/2.8. So yeah... class of it's own :)
It’s a wonderful lens, it doesn’t get the praise you captured because of the gap between m43 and FF. The f4 in m43 results in some areas being similar to f8 on FF
@@Koji-888 and bokeh is the most overrated shite in the world. Everyone thinks they are a portrait photographer. The environment needs some say for lots of images and video.
I think since you touched on some cine lenses that Veydra and Meike lenses should have been included. Although they have similar optics, there's enough differences to separate them.
I have a Lumix 25mm f1.7. Got it used for £70 ($90). Best budget and beginner lens ever. Close up, it's super sharp, far out, you have to step it down because it's not exactly sharp on my 12MP GF2, and the chromatic aberration can be horrible. The bokeh is super good close up, and never do I regret buying it, a great introduction to professional photography. You can adjust aperture, and focus manually, and coming from a phone, that's a big deal. The thing about pretty much all other lenses on your tier list is that they really aren't affordable. I got my whole setup for under £150, and that was still expensive to me.
The 17mm 1.2 is one of the best 35mm primes ever. Easily should be a S tier lens, good choice. I don’t do any wildlife but the 150-400 should easily be S tier for pro wildlife photographers. And move that 75mm 1.8 to S tier. Great for concerts.
Beloooooga. It's been months, but...could you make your tier list available in PDF? I can't read it on the screen when the video is in 1080 resolution.
Yea I messed up my OBS settings and the pictures arent exactly super clear either but I didnt want to photoshop like a hundred lenses haha. Ill see what I can do!
I really need to update my list of those lenses! I think that could be a good choice but honestly I find 50mm to start a little long for MY work but I can see it being amazing and I totally want one
@@RhettThompsonFilmI have both the 10-20 and 25-50 lenses, but I use the 25-50 for wide shots and the 40-150 for tighter shots during events. However, I have encountered situations where the extra reach would have been helpful.
Common man, the Olympus Big White lens (150-400 (500)) is the very essence of an S level lens. Nothing else like it by any manufacturer in any format. World class quality. And yes, completely niche. Love it or leave it. It’s the definition of your S level.
Glad it helped! Just make sure you take what I say with a grain of salt. A good amount is personal preference and what you like might not be the same as me!
Going to have to disagree on some of these lenses. For a start the Sigma f1.4 primes. Very definitely A tier, especially the 56, which pushes close to the S tier level. The Lumix Leica 45mm macro needs to be bumped down a level due to AF and poor value for money compared to the Olympus 60mm macro, while the Lumix 30mm macro goes up one due to great AF and value for money. The Leica Nokton 42.5 has to bump to S, just because of the look of the images it produces. The Leica 200mm also has to be S. Who cares if it is niche, for evening sports this is an essential and a full frame 400/2.8 has been a standard for sports news gathering for decades. The two Lumix PZ zooms continue to get underrated, including here. The power zoom is very useful for video, these lenses are amazingly small and light, very cheap on the used market, and the 45-175, is very sharp. These power zooms need to go up a tier.
If the lens was a little bit wider or more tele I’d agree but 24-80 vs 70 just doesn’t quite do it for me but that’s just me! The 25 pro tho…man I want it
I’ve used a lot of the Leica and the better Olympus lenses. I’d say you’ve got the ones I know about right. One disagreement is the Olympus 300mm F4. This lens is as sharp as any lens I’ve used, great IS combo with OM1 and knocking because F4 is slow? Come on, it’s a 300 mm lens. How much better can it get?
Yea it’s tough. The Leica 200 is a 2.8 but the 300 f4 is definitely in a class of it’s own. Or maybe in a class with that Leica. Might have underrated it but if I used it a bit maybe I’d get it
@@RhettThompsonFilm And it tough not to overcrowd the top tiers - there are so many good lenses from these two brands. I think as a wildlife lens the Oly is way better than the Leica 2.8 which needs the extender for similar reach. I’ve owned both, but the 300 is sharper and faster to focus.
I think the 15mm should be higher. That lens is so small and provides excellent IQ along with the aperture ring/mf switch. I honestly wished the 9mm was built the same way.
I dont understand why you recommend the lumix 42.5 1.7. it is sharp but it has the worst autofocus of all mft lenses i know. Its even in photos it is superslow, hesitant and unrelieable. I hate this lense with a passion and never used it with my gh5 as it is so awful. I tried it with my new gh7 and it is better but still almost unusuable. Yesterday i sat infront of my camere on the left side of the frame , autofocus was in human detection but the 42 refused to focus on me... No other lense does this and lumix has a lot bad focusing lenses.
It’s just for fun! If you’re informed that somebody about a lens, they didn’t know about before or give her some some extra information. That’s just a bonus, but we’d like to have fun around here and we can!
@@RhettThompsonFilm Wow. I’m her. You handled this Rob kid with kid gloves. I’m putting you on my “S” list for Super Respectful. Always love seeing hard working content providers exhibiting such restraint with these attention seekers. Thanks for this fun video. Subscribed. 💁🏻♀️
The 12-45mm is vastly better than the 12-40mm in my book. It's sharper than even the 12-100mm. Also it is actually significantly smaller than the 12-40 where it counts (it doesn't show so in images), which is width.
@@LadyBovine For the copies I have, that is actually true. My 12-40 2.8 is just fine, not terribly inspiringly sharp. My 12-100 is absolutely amazing in terms of sharpness. And my 12-45 surpasses even that slightly.
Actually the best time to drink coffee IS around the time you finish your lunch. Once your body is on a decline the coffee helps give you that push and then once the food is truly being digested (after that 20-40 min time frame) you'll start to have that energy (unless you ate something that just slugs you). That's my method anyway. I read it somewhere and took it heart and it really works! Thanks for reading my TED TALK Comment.
Great talk 😄 it’s true though
@@RedFrameTech I'm glad I'm not imagining it! It's helped me over the last couple years!
My favourites as an enthusiast (not a pro):
- PL 15mm
- PL 25mm
- Oly 45mm f1.8
- Oly 75mm
- Oly 12-40mm f2.8
- Panasonic 14-140mm
- Oly 75-300mm
Wish list: PL 9mm.
Having said this, there are so many awesome combinations of lenses that are great propositions. My priority has been (1) relatively fast, (2) strong value / price to performance, (3) smallish, cover a pretty full range of focal lengths.
My criteria eliminated the f1.2 primes and PL 10-25mm and 25-50mm zooms but I recognise these are the lenses to get if quality is the priority.
Great to have choices!
Long live MFT!
Had to add a like and comment since this is like THE encyclopedia for M43 lenses and everyone is going ro reference this video for years. The only other review this comprehensive... is just from this dude but three years ago and that one is also dope 💯
Haha thanks for this comment! Sometimes with newer SEO stuff older info on these lenses can be hard to find and hopefully this can be some people’s starting place to find the direction they wanna go
1. Entertaining tier list. I'm just a hobbyist/budget-level Panny G95 owner and shoot quite a bit more stills than video (but still a fair bit of video) but still found this a fun video. I've got such a small fraction of these lenses (mostly in your D and C tiers) and I'll likely never be in the market for many of the exotic lenses. Nonetheless, this video reminds me of the incredible richness and diversity of choice in m43 system. And this video, of course, is just native glass - if you consider adapted lenses, well, it'd be a 3 or 4 hour video, right?
2. I know I don't have the highest standards, but as someone who's shot digital for over 20 years, it absolutely blows my mind how good the IQ and video quality you can get from entry level kit (and phones even!) these days -- heck, even over the last few years. Yes, there are still things that frustrate us at times and we always want to see better, but honestly, we really have it so, so good.
3. I'll be curious to see if the imminent introduction of a Panny phase-detect equipped G/GH model influences renewed interest in the format. Of course Oly has had it for years, but never had the same video feature set (even in the OM-1) as Panasonic. I'm definitely rooting for it, even if it takes me a few years before the G9m2s/G6m2s/GH5m3 approach my personal level of willingness to pay.
Cheers!
Honestly even lenses in C I think are great and often offer something very unique! Mostly it’s the build quality or handling that suffers more than the actual optics. Sharpness and all that is kinda overrated imo haha. Most MFT lenses are made to a pretty high standard all things considered!
I find it interesting how the 9-18mm gets no love in the RUclips echo chamber, but I consistently get keepers out of it. Perhaps this exercise could be more compelling if you could share some of your sample photos taken with each lens as you rate them.
Same here.. 👍
This is a great list! Legitimately useful. Pretty exhaustive, too
I would put the 75mm 1.8 in S. The lens is super sharp, its fast and no competitor.
Yes, and at one point, the 75mm was the sharpest lens tested at dxo
I have the Olympus 17 & 25 f1.2, and I can attest that these lenses are some of the best lenses I’ve ever used. The Olympus 40-150mm f2.8 is amazing for portrait work. The 9mm Panasonic Leica is just fantastic too. You didn’t give the Olympus 60mm macro much credit; this lens is fantastic!
What an epic, impressive, entertaining and exhaustive tier list! I learned a lot from this actually. It’s impressive how much you know about them.
The PL 12-60 f2.8-40 is def one of my favourites. Definitely the best kit lens you can get imo.
If Vazen sends you the anamorphics, can I borrow them after you’re done with them? 😂
Oh yeah, I don’t drink coffee after noontime.
Beluga
That 12-60 is so solid! I use it all the time!
I wouldn’t hold your breath for those anamorphic lenses though haha
Loved that video. Great to hear of lenses that I didnt know existed. Please do a similar list for L-mount.
I just might!
Beluga.
Thanks for making this. It's actually solid to get a bit of a commented overview of what is available.
Currently looking at budget TTArtisans and 7Artisans line ups for fun.
I have used a few of each of their lenses and they both do decent work! Although the Mitakon Lenses have a special place in my heart for the F.95 and T1.0 Lenses.
By-the-way I bought the 100-300 Panasonic expecting aI would return it, was surprised how sharp it is stopped down a little, kept it!
@@billfortney7028 yea a little rough wide open but for the price it’s nice! I just broke mine sadly.
Nice video.
Understand that this is entirely subjective. Really good to hear your thoughts.
My experience is that the 8-25mm is the more useful lens when compared to both the 8-18mm and 7-14mm.
7-14mm too bulky and heavy. Front element, filters, flare and barrel distortion, etc.
Only downside when compared to the 8-18mm is lack of 2.8 aperature at wide end. But the focus clutch, long end being 25mm, build quality and semi-macro. Make it more of do everything lens.
I also have the 9mm 1.7 so don't miss the low light.
In many ways, It is the ultrawide brother of the 12-100mm (albeit without lens-is but for these focal lengths doesnt add that much if ibis is up to par).
Anyways all the best.
I really wish I could get my hands on some Olympus lenses. I would be thrilled to take that 8-25 on a trip somewhere but alas I don’t need it personally (or so I?)
I’d also love to try the 8-18 or 9mm but I’ve had the Laowa for a long time and that does the job for me.
If I sold it though maybe I could justify one of these others…
I’m liking and subscribing because that is a heap of work. Respect and thanks
@@lookylookie I know they look terrible, but just getting all the screenshots of the lenses and trying to remember what they all were was pretty crazy but it was fun as well so it evens out. Thanks for the subscribe and comment! Looking forward to seeing you around.
The Olympus 1.8 fisheye beluga lense can be be automatically "corrected" to be rectilinear in camera on some Olympus/OM models starting with the E-M1 II. Still photos only as far as I know.
That’s certainly helpful for Olympus shooters!! I didn’t realize that! I’m sure there’s some IQ loss but likely an acceptable trade off.
@@RhettThompsonFilm I have the E-M1 II but the 1.8 fisheye is out of my price range so I just got the Laowa 7.5mm, which is great for the band shooting that I do.
It's a nice video and I mostly agree with your lens assessment. That said I was surprised to hear your praise of the closeup ability of the Leica 25-50. I have the lens and I felt compelled to go check again whether it is indeed great for closeups. It's not that great. Going through the entire zoom range with the focusing clutch ring set to closest focus, the smallest object I could capture along the wide side of the frame was 7.5cm across.
That's not bac, but the Olympus 12-40 f2.8 blows the Leica 25-50 out of the water in the closeup comparison. I don't have the 12-40 anymore as I replaced it with the Leica 10-25, but I recall the Olympus being able to fill the long side of the frame with objects that were about 5cm across or maybe smaller.
In the end it's not important how close you can shove a lens at an object, but the magnification you can achieve is what I think matters most.
We must be using different lenses with that assessment. In the 40-50mm range it has just about the closest focus and biggest reproduction of any lens I know of for micro four thirds. Blows the 35-100, Olympus 40-150, Olympus 12-100, Leica 42.5 and Olympus 45mm 1.8 and 1.2 well out of the water with typically double the reproduction. All those lenses are painfully far and usually have shorter focal lengths too. It’s not a macro by any means. The 12-40 specs say we’ve got a .3 magnification vs .21 so it is worse there but the aperture value is certainly something to consider too. I think the aperture is important to consider.
The 12-100mm f/4 pro is my fall-time favorite lens. If the 40-150 f/2.8 pro had IS, it'd be a tough decision.
Hey Rhett…one of the more epic video I did watch..I agree mostly on All the lenses I tried curious jus where would you have put the adapted 18-35 sigma 1.8 which is a mythical légende in MFT.
Having the Mitakon ciné set,it is much more versatile that I was first thinking ,like you said when closing it to T2 I use the set all the time in multicam setup for interview the 50mm got incredible compression…
I love the pana 35-100 2.8 on gimbal with GH5s you got in live event concerts much more compact vs Canon 70-200 😂😂😂😂
So did you get the new pans GHxxx?😊
I think the 18-35 is certainly an easy S tier even though it’s adapted, although 50-100 I’d say that’s A tier.
I do love the Mitakon set, do you have all four? I think I’ll have to review those soon.
@@RhettThompsonFilm Men you outdid even Gerald undone with this charts Tier👍👍👍👍👍
I have the whole Mitakon set 17,25,35,50 I even open one to see how it looks and because of a loosened screw on the 50mm which did not affect the image but was annoying soundwise so the inside is a lot of plastik and I could access it pretty easy not Special tork a la Apple but I needed probably to open la chambre noir I don't know who it calls in English the focusing zone which was to scarry to try but anyway I put everything back together and it is working just fine.
T1-1.4 is with all lens pinkish dreaming ultra soft after it becomes better 1.4 color wise and that in pretty all models.
Sharp at T2.8 sharpiest at 5.6 quasi modern and in all my glasses.
What's cool and what I love is that when sweeping the lenses no need for expo or WB correction it pretty stays similar just the focal lens is changing it is good match for prosummer level of filming and I don t have the tools like Gerald Undone to make it scientifically correct.
But they are great lenses and even when I put one on GH5,5s and BMPCC4K so 4 different models it is pretty easy toatch them because they have the same something wibe probably.
Try them you will love the results...I don't know how it will act on pro set but for my usage they are great for artistic musical Videoclip even in classical music.
Big fan of your channel stay put
Fil
I would move the Olympus 12mm f2 and the Lumix/Leica 15mm f 1.7 both to A, other than that, I think you nailed it
@@billfortney7028 where were they and where would you move them?
Hi Rhett, I agree with you almost 100%, but there are many lenses and I can't agree with all of them.
In my opinion the Olympus 12-45 f4 pro deserves class A, because it is simply too qualitative, it is sharper than the 12-40 2.8, the Lumix 12-35, the 12-100 and the Leica 12-60, it is much more cheap, small and light of all these... For this reason it deserves class A.
I tried the Olympus 300 f4 pro... it undoubtedly deserves the S class, it's too qualitative, a scary sharp image, the same goes for the Leica 200 mm f2.8, S class for it too... quality of image too higher than other prime numbers.
(but have you evaluated the Leica 25mm f 1.4 and the Olympus 20mm f1.4?)
Perhaps the Olympus 40-150 f2.8 pro could deserve another promotion, too much versatility, quality and usefulness all together (I think it is better than the 7-14 which in turn is better than the 12-40 :) )
Voigtlander super nokton 29.. f 0.8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! please try it... I heard that even at f 0.8 it offers a usable image, it must be fantastic! a sure S! but we still can't be sure until you try it.
See you soon!
I'm with you brother I love my oly 12-45 f4
Interesting video. A lot of lenses/brands I have never heard about towards the end there.
To me the reason to get into MFT was the (potential) compact size of the lenses (as well as the camera bodies), which seem to be something you are not too worried about.
But isn't that a main reason to get into this system to begin with? (I think I have most of the "pancake" lenses from Lumix, i.e. the 14/2.5, 20/1.7 and 12-32/3.4-5.6) and they all fit into a small camera bag together with the Lunix GM5 and a 45-175 GX. Perfect for bringing on motorcycle trips.)
I do almost only photos, but are not Power Zooms an advantage for making videos? I have the 14-42 GX as well as the 45-175 GX, and these were thought of as a good option for making smooth video zooms. (I have not used this feature much, as I take mostly photos, but video using manual zoom really stinks in my opinion. How do you get around this)? I also notice that the power zoom can be used while remotely controlling the cameras via the mobile app, which may be a gimmick, but quite impressive still. I do not think this is a feature in any APC or FF system.
Regards
Hallvard the Horrible
I do like the OPTION to have a small setup but as you correctly guessed its not really a top priority to me.
I do like the idea of the power zooms but they are fairly average lenses and the zoom options were less than stellar in practice. Maybe if they had a 14-150 power zoom or something it would be nice but the overall package just wasnt doing it for me honestly although I', sure theyre good for someone out there!
@@RhettThompsonFilm Thank you for replying. Just wonder if you ever zoom when recording video, and if so how do you avoid the "jearkiness" (unsmooth) behavior you (or at least I) get when zooming manually?
Thanks for making this list Rhett. I hope you check the Sirui Nightwalker MFT lenses and include your opinion on the chat, to make your list more comprehensive. I appreciate your content!
Oh, you’re right! I actually might have recorded this video before they came out, but I would have loved to try those out or any ones from them honestly
Hi Rhett, I love the tierlist you made and the M43 videos you produce. I started videography a few months ago and am in love with the craft. I bought a GH6 with the 10-25mm f/1.7 as my first ever lens. Now, I'm looking for a supplementary lens with extra range for event photography (stand-up comedy shows, meet-ups in dim-lit cafes) and videography (informative cinematic travel videos of cities). Do you have any advice what lens would be best to get?
I am doubting between the 25-50mm f/1.7 and the 35-100mm f/2.8. The first one since it is sort of a twin to the lens I already have, has multiple aperture levels, matches the imaging of my owned lens perfectly, and great for videography. The second for the extra range and Dual IS. The range of the first one concerns me when I want to capture people from a longer distance or make close-up shots of architecture details.
Looking forward to an answer and some user experiences. Thank you so much in advance! 🙏
Congrats and welcome to the system! Personally I think the 25-50 is a little short for your needs, as in events that classic 70-200 look is definitely a standard for a reason. I’d you do weddings or events 35-100. If you do interviews and corporate I think the 25-50 is best.
Never seen a video like this, kudos to you for making it. On a funny note, I have the olympus 8mm body cap paired to my olympus Air, hooked up to my cell phone and get 16mp high quality images is well just fun, and c'mon 16mp images for the cell phone.... I have 13 olympus lenses mostly pro lenses, but I would put the 300 f4 in S bracket as I'm a bird/wildlife shooter, just a thought. Looking at some of the panasonic lenses to get away from my olympus fan boy guy thing, so this is very good and needed video. Cheers!
To be honest, I just recently used the 300 mm again and I’m inclined to agree with you. That lens is incredibly sharp and a joy to use. I may have to update this haha.
I’d love to eventually check out that body cap lens too!
Olympus 75 1.8 is S tier for me. Unique in what it offers and stellar image quality. I own the other 1.2 primes so I have a good point of reference.
Yes it s my lens for 4/3 !!
My favorite has been the Voigtlander 60mm. It's hard to replicate on other formats without being enormous. Even the Samyang EF 135mm f/2.0 is just about as wide and as heavy, but is twice the length.
Only thing that comes close I’ve seen is that Mitakon but that’s a modified full frame lens. The Voigtlander is MFT specific made
I love the idea of the video but I couldn’t keep up with the constant switching back and forth between the lens photos you were showing. I was somewhat confused about what lens you were talking about. However I made it through most of the video and it is super helpful so I give the video a A/B!
Sorry to hear that! There’s so many lenses doing a proper job is hard. I beleive I talk about one lens at a time typically and usually announce it but yea the pictures aren’t super handy
@@RhettThompsonFilmIntended as constructive comment only because I love your channel and the idea of the video is fabulous. I have subscribed and will look forward to seeing more.
This is the video I was looking for.
LOL, you put the Panasonic 9mm f/1.7 in S-Tier because it's in it's own class, but put the Olympus 12-100mm F/4 IS Pro in A-tier... a lens that's also in it's own class. There is NO LENS in the world that covers 24-200mm with an F/4 constant aperture... and has IS on top and only a 15cm focus distance.... and amazing weather sealing. This is a one lens do it all setup. For a LOT of people, this lens will NOT be coming off much. Come on bruh, be objective.
You haven’t watched many tier list videos before have you haha objectivity isn’t exactly the goal.
You’re probably right though, I think that’s fair to put the Oly in S probably.
@@RhettThompsonFilm I haven't but... point I'm trying to make is that if you only had ONE lens to shoot an entire film or one lens to be 'stuck with' forever... the 12-100mm would be it. Doesn't matter how good primes are with DOF or sharpness (and it's not like the 12-100mm isnt sharp either), you're stuck at one focal length making it far too limiting. Go on a trek between all sorts of locations; mountains, forests, city, inside buildings, venues, etc. 12-100 will have you covered; sure f/4 isn't super wide open aperture, but it'll work in almost all situations, and at the 100mm (200mm FF equivalent) that's pretty respectable. The other thing is, too many times you just don't know what focal range you'd need; you can't predict it. It's not even that big of a lens anyway at just over 500g; less than the Panasonic 10-25mm f/1.7 you had in the S-Tier. So, for a do-it-all lens it's by far the most versatile lens on the market, and that includes APS-C and FF lenses, there are only a handful of lenses that come close, but each have some major tradeoff;
Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8: A bit big and a little heavy, but 35mm isn't wide enough.
Canon 24-105mm F/4 L IS: Same as the Olympus, but half the range.
Canon 24-105mm F/2.8 IS: Massive lens, VERY expensive.... still half the range. Amazing aperture though.
Fuji 16-80mm F/4 OIS: Good lens, but limited range and not as sharp as it should be for it's price
Tamron 17-70mm F/2.8 IS: Excellent aperture, but not as wide at 17mm (25.5mm after APS-C math) but also short on range (70mm = 105mm) as it's APS-C only.
Nikon 24-120mm F/4: Good lens, but a little soft at the long end and still almost half the zoom range.
General 24-70mm F/2.8 lenses are all good, but the range is almost 1/3rd.
And that's about all there is available across the board for all cameras available.... and with a lot of these, you really need to go full frame so if size is taken into equation, basically only Fuji makes sense with the X-S20 body and either a Fuji 16-80mm F/4 or the Tamron 17-70mm F/2.8. So yeah... class of it's own :)
It’s a wonderful lens, it doesn’t get the praise you captured because of the gap between m43 and FF. The f4 in m43 results in some areas being similar to f8 on FF
@@jasonreese906 F/4 is the same in light gathering. Only depth of field is different.
With the smaller M43 sensor you won’t get as much bokeh. 🤷🏻♀️
@@Koji-888 and bokeh is the most overrated shite in the world. Everyone thinks they are a portrait photographer. The environment needs some say for lots of images and video.
I think since you touched on some cine lenses that Veydra and Meike lenses should have been included. Although they have similar optics, there's enough differences to separate them.
I have a Lumix 25mm f1.7. Got it used for £70 ($90). Best budget and beginner lens ever. Close up, it's super sharp, far out, you have to step it down because it's not exactly sharp on my 12MP GF2, and the chromatic aberration can be horrible. The bokeh is super good close up, and never do I regret buying it, a great introduction to professional photography. You can adjust aperture, and focus manually, and coming from a phone, that's a big deal. The thing about pretty much all other lenses on your tier list is that they really aren't affordable. I got my whole setup for under £150, and that was still expensive to me.
The 17mm 1.2 is one of the best 35mm primes ever. Easily should be a S tier lens, good choice. I don’t do any wildlife but the 150-400 should easily be S tier for pro wildlife photographers. And move that 75mm 1.8 to S tier. Great for concerts.
I think I would agree with all this. They’re all essentially in a class of their own. Although I’m sure I put the 17 in S
@RhettThompsonFilm you did just praising that choice.
Beloooooga. It's been months, but...could you make your tier list available in PDF? I can't read it on the screen when the video is in 1080 resolution.
Yea I messed up my OBS settings and the pictures arent exactly super clear either but I didnt want to photoshop like a hundred lenses haha. Ill see what I can do!
The only Olympus lens I have left is the 40-150, and I am considering replacing it with the Panny 50-200.
I really need to update my list of those lenses! I think that could be a good choice but honestly I find 50mm to start a little long for MY work but I can see it being amazing and I totally want one
@@RhettThompsonFilmI have both the 10-20 and 25-50 lenses, but I use the 25-50 for wide shots and the 40-150 for tighter shots during events. However, I have encountered situations where the extra reach would have been helpful.
Common man, the Olympus Big White lens (150-400 (500)) is the very essence of an S level lens. Nothing else like it by any manufacturer in any format. World class quality. And yes, completely niche. Love it or leave it. It’s the definition of your S level.
@@RobertSagan-p9f I agree haha it’s just so out of reach and so mystical I think I got scared. If I did this again I think I’d put it in S
Lumix 15 autofocus is slow?? What are you talking about? i'm pressing right full without pressing half, he's still focusing
Slow in video specifically compared to new lenses. Not the worst but not the best but totally fine for photography and single AF
did you miss Olys mighty little 12-50 PZ, or did I? the mini-beluga of all MFT-Lenses!
Ah beluga!
Idk I’m not super familiar with some of those more budget zooms from Olympus admittedly so I had some trouble telling them apart.
was a kit lens i believe. sharp like a spoon! has a fun macro function... U didn't miss much imho :)@@RhettThompsonFilm
That 12-50 put me off my dinner it stinks so bad.
this video was crazyyyy helpful
Glad it helped! Just make sure you take what I say with a grain of salt. A good amount is personal preference and what you like might not be the same as me!
Going to have to disagree on some of these lenses. For a start the Sigma f1.4 primes. Very definitely A tier, especially the 56, which pushes close to the S tier level.
The Lumix Leica 45mm macro needs to be bumped down a level due to AF and poor value for money compared to the Olympus 60mm macro, while the Lumix 30mm macro goes up one due to great AF and value for money.
The Leica Nokton 42.5 has to bump to S, just because of the look of the images it produces. The Leica 200mm also has to be S. Who cares if it is niche, for evening sports this is an essential and a full frame 400/2.8 has been a standard for sports news gathering for decades.
The two Lumix PZ zooms continue to get underrated, including here. The power zoom is very useful for video, these lenses are amazingly small and light, very cheap on the used market, and the 45-175, is very sharp. These power zooms need to go up a tier.
i agree with you on the sigma 56mm .. the other ones in the series are good but the 56mm is amazing.
I tried to use the list today - looks like it doesn't work anymore?
beluga - i have a weird appetite for long m43 videos
I love long videos haha the longer the better tbh
😂here for the jojo thumbail, stays for the content
Sounds like I need more Jojo thumbnails… it was actually my buddies idea haha but I was originally doing a fairly jojo pose which gave him the idea
@@RhettThompsonFilm 😉for luring more people, hell yeah 👍. But thanks for this video, im using this for future purchasing decisions🙏😎
12-40pro should be an undoubtable S and 25pro cannot match its price from every aspect
If the lens was a little bit wider or more tele I’d agree but 24-80 vs 70 just doesn’t quite do it for me but that’s just me!
The 25 pro tho…man I want it
I’ve used a lot of the Leica and the better Olympus lenses. I’d say you’ve got the ones I know about right. One disagreement is the Olympus 300mm F4. This lens is as sharp as any lens I’ve used, great IS combo with OM1 and knocking because F4 is slow? Come on, it’s a 300 mm lens. How much better can it get?
Yea it’s tough. The Leica 200 is a 2.8 but the 300 f4 is definitely in a class of it’s own. Or maybe in a class with that Leica. Might have underrated it but if I used it a bit maybe I’d get it
@@RhettThompsonFilm And it tough not to overcrowd the top tiers - there are so many good lenses from these two brands. I think as a wildlife lens the Oly is way better than the Leica 2.8 which needs the extender for similar reach. I’ve owned both, but the 300 is sharper and faster to focus.
12-50/3.5-6.3 and 14-150/4-5.6 are missing.
12-50 D. 14-150. C
Whoops 😬
I think the 15mm should be higher. That lens is so small and provides excellent IQ along with the aperture ring/mf switch. I honestly wished the 9mm was built the same way.
No Laowa 18mm?
Hmm I must have missed that one!
Olympus 20mm 1.4?
Did I miss that one??
@@RhettThompsonFilmyes was looking for that prime!
And the Panasonic 20mm unless I missed it.
I dont understand why you recommend the lumix 42.5 1.7. it is sharp but it has the worst autofocus of all mft lenses i know. Its even in photos it is superslow, hesitant and unrelieable. I hate this lense with a passion and never used it with my gh5 as it is so awful. I tried it with my new gh7 and it is better but still almost unusuable. Yesterday i sat infront of my camere on the left side of the frame , autofocus was in human detection but the 42 refused to focus on me... No other lense does this and lumix has a lot bad focusing lenses.
@@andersistbesser it’s been awhile since I used it but I’ve certainly used worse lenses for the system but I wouldn’t be shocked if it was slow.
Laowa 7,5 f 2 !
Did I miss that lens?
I love that the worst lens on DXOMark is a C 😂
nice
Thank you
A have the 7-14 pro an it’s nice lens
Jojo powa
Ok, I watched the video. What would be useful and earn you a subscribe is a list I could print out and consider in my reading room (toilet)
Beluiga?
You’re my hero
rent it boi
btw 12-100 f/4 not in s-tier is dink
Hahaha what did I put it in A? Idk you’re probably right it’s a solid lens
You are clearly more Panasonic oriented than Olympus/OM. At the very start You are mention Panasonic only. That already colors your view.
@@sietsewolters6652 if you watch the video you may disagree
Sigma 60mm is very good sharper than olympus 75mm 1.8 and cheap only 2.8 true
Huma baluga
this quality is so so so so so so so so so so bad
@@shakErekQ wym ❤️
What a Bizarre and Useless Video😂.
It’s just for fun! If you’re informed that somebody about a lens, they didn’t know about before or give her some some extra information. That’s just a bonus, but we’d like to have fun around here and we can!
@@RhettThompsonFilm Wow. I’m her. You handled this Rob kid with kid gloves.
I’m putting you on my “S” list for Super Respectful.
Always love seeing hard working content providers exhibiting such
restraint with these attention seekers. Thanks for this fun video. Subscribed. 💁🏻♀️
The 12-45mm is vastly better than the 12-40mm in my book. It's sharper than even the 12-100mm. Also it is actually significantly smaller than the 12-40 where it counts (it doesn't show so in images), which is width.
Vastly..? Are you sure you know what that word means?
@@LadyBovine For the copies I have, that is actually true. My 12-40 2.8 is just fine, not terribly inspiringly sharp. My 12-100 is absolutely amazing in terms of sharpness. And my 12-45 surpasses even that slightly.
Beluga
Amazing haha and I love this emoji you used as well
Haha! Yeah, the face is perfect!@@RhettThompsonFilm
Beluga