Mine plays Mario Party. It’s group hug until the big dumb red spells come out. Thieves Auction, Warp World, Scrambleverse, worldfire. And any others u might be able to think other (other than goblin game but now I’m considering it)
Honestly not a very good strategy I'd think, if it's obvious you're targeting them they could just play kingmaker and help your opponents out with everything they've got until they die
@@enbyrogue3740I disagree, getting the group hug player out of the game early is best for the table. I’m not saying hard target them but they gotta go 😂
@@shonmatthew but the whole point is you won’t be getting to your game plan because everyone’s hands will be full and there will always be interaction for everything making the game last a long time. Therefore the enabler is gonna have to go 😂😂
@@Aubsty are you sure about that? even with the extra draw effects fueling yourself, a good group hug deck that wants to actually win will be running all of the pillow fort pieces to keep themselves alive. sure, one attack from a big creature kills them, but when you need to pay 16 mana just to attack with one, it gets difficult.
This script was goofy lol. The first two guys attacked each other at the same time and the guy in red was asking for more card draw then complained about all the card draw
Group Hug is my favourite archetype and I very quickly realized that the Group Hug player is public enemy number one. My solution to being targetted relentlessly was Gluntch Group Hug with zero win cons. My only goal for the deck is to never win a game and I make my opponents roll dice for gifts like it's D&D. It's become my pet deck and it's surprisingly fun. I am Planechase.
group hug decks are often killed to prevent being kingmaker. thats why i prefer my breena the demagogue deck for group hug, as i have enough interaction usually to also check players who start to overly run away with the game due to stuff i give out. it ironically makes the table not kill me for king making, or ill force a win in someone else when im being tabled by someone.
I run a group hug deck that hurts everyone for taking advantage of me and rewards attacking each other. With Breena, the demagogue I make everyone try to hit each other while I make a small pillow fort so they lose cards/mana if they attack me while goading other creatures my opponent controls and gives them double strike so they kill themselves. It's basically controlling them without getting rid of them. The bad thing is that when 2 of the opponents are left, I can't do 1v1 pretty well
@@charlesmwolf hmm thanks, I mostly have cards that take advantage of people drawing cards and then taking damage as a wincon, but I think I'll do that
It's like those depictions of hell where everything seems great, but then you get addicted and drained of your life before you realize it. That's why it's important to remember that group hug will still hug you even if they're at 1 life.
Goes well with anything that makes an opponent lose life when they draw. I have a nekusar the mindrazer deck that has all the fun draw and wheel effects with creatures/enchantments that punish draw fun stuff
This only works if everyone’s deck is around 6/10 power level. Not mentioning cedh, but if you are playing a good deck which includes high efficiency staples( tutor, low mana combo piece, high quality creatures), you will love this guy helping you
It definitely depends. If your meta has very volatile decks I would never play hug, especially ramp or mana doubling. My Council of Four deck really only needed a howling mine to churn out bodies and draw, with some politicing you're all set to win
Imo it also depends on what else is at the table. If you've got some other mills and or wheels happening, well.... I've seen 4 players with 50 cards in yard on turn 6.
I was just thinking I don’t even have a Green deck that doesn’t love any Hug that doesn’t *inflict* a hardcore mana-pinch. What about the Hugs that go crazy with the free Place Permanent voting sorceries?
I made my group hug with lots of draw and lots of extra mana and land drops for everyone. My win cons are using Jace to deck myself and win, or using the obscene mana I’m producing for Helix Pinnacle.
I had a Xyris the Writhering Storm deck that was originally Group Hug until I got tired of my group pulling out their best decks. It slowly changed and is now the BBEG deck at our table.
I was working on a Kynaios and Tiro group hug deck with a Pride/Love subtheme in the art and flavors (using some of the Pride Across the Multiverse cards/alt-arts, and things like Secret Rendezvous from Strixhaven, and Run Away Together from Eldraine). I kinda wanna work on it again now that I know I can either do a Second Sun win condition for White, or use the Blue “Yall Draw till you deck out” win con you demonstrated here.
Every commander deck from 2011-2014. Howling Mine, Font of Mythos, Rites of Flourishing. Everyone draws 4 cards or more a turn and plays 2 lands at least lol
Group hug is a tough one. I love it personally but you gotta go into the game knowing that you probably won’t win (depending on your build) and plenty of players may not even appreciate that you helped them out. Always have tricks unless you’re happy to just lose at some point. Alt win cons or mass stealing can work..
Absolutely going in my Actual Group Hugs Kenrith deck. (The deck runs a handful of goofy you win cards but otherwise has no real game plan outside drawing everyone cards and ramping everyone a lot)
We love group hug! That said no lies detected. It's inverse stax: control the tempo and build everything faster but build a deck where you thrive in that environment. 🤗🤗🤗🤗
Had a monoblue force draw deck. I didn't like how mill played so instead I made people draw their deck, of they attack me mass bounce or tap their field
I had a recent game where I purposely decked myself due to an opponents Forced Fruition, the final spell I cast purposely was Angels Grace. The look on everyone’s face was priceless.
They only work in less volatile metas. If drawing 7 or getting fast ramp could mean they insta win, I wouldn't risk it. Council of Four works amazingly off the back of some light hug
I once made a group hug deck with the primary intention of casting a large "each player draws x cards" spell so that there would be a tie between all players. True group hug. Everyone wins.
ive been trying to make my zedruu deck use her ability but not be group hug by swapping stuff instead of just donating, its pretty fun people think its group huh then its like... nah ima just take your stuff 😂
wow you just give your opponent the tool to deck you. you have never see a Forced Fruition at work do you it seem innocent at first you cast 2-3 spell and you have 21+ cards in hands sweet you think I had enough I will remove it 28+ the blue player after you cast a countspell he draw 7 cards probably more counter and the player with the Forced Fruition probably as a bunch to and now it dawn on you how many spell can I still cast before I die can I kill three other player with 7 spell 6spell ... oh shit
Group hug decks are my favorite. I don't care that they made me draw 200 cards. That's just me revealing cards from the top of my library until I've revealed 200 non-land cards and or put my library back in a random order for the remaining, all thanks to Abundance.
Random question, is Nekusar in some twisted, possibly masochistic way a group hug commander? "Listen, you are all drawing exactly what you wanted, so stop crying already."
Funny story I played with a group hugger in the group, and one of the other players was targeting him and say he has to leave, and I was like Noo leave him alone and I pretty much protect him😂 and some guy comes around the corner, and like you still playing, and the group hugger, was like yes I have a simp protecting me, at the end i won 😂😂
Every time an opponent has played forced fruition, I've gained control of the game. If you lose due to it, you need to put more removal in whatever you're playing.
I played a 5 person game of commander using Nekusar. One kid killed him every time he came out so nobody got any value off of him. I was just trying to be nice
It really depends on what you’re playing it in. If you’ve got cards that punish draw like sheoldred (or Chains of Mephistopheles if your pod is OK with proxy’s) you kinda just don’t care that much
If your deck can’t outmaneuver a group hug deck after it gave you a super boost the first 4 turns of a game. That’s purely a skill issue. Every time I target a deck like this. They squirm so bad because you killing them is the only right choice they don’t want the table to acknowledge.
I like watching my opponents waste all their extra resources trying to kill the group hug player making it easy to take them out. Idk why people hate it, it just makes a casual pod more fun and chaotic. Not every game needs to be ultra competitive
I like to think that my Nekusar deck is not evil, just an alternative group hug type deck. The fact that you normally take 4/5 damage each time you draw a card is irrelevant.
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To quote the MaldHound! There’s 3 main kinds of group hug: I want to win, I want to choose who wins, and I want to play Mario party!
Can they get it, though?
Mine plays Mario Party. It’s group hug until the big dumb red spells come out. Thieves Auction, Warp World, Scrambleverse, worldfire. And any others u might be able to think other (other than goblin game but now I’m considering it)
I choose who wins
@@lashedsuns4529they cannot because we didn’t consent to the hugs
Also Accelerator Group Hug "I only have limited time to play a game so let's make it quick"
Forced fruition + Smothering tithe = profit
Also orcish bowmasters and Notion Thief
Also orcish bowmasters and Notion Thief
Also orcish bowmasters and Notion Thief
Also orcish bowmasters and Notion Thief
Also orcish bowmasters and Notion Thief
The friend of my enemy, is my enemy.
Group hugs die first
Honestly not a very good strategy I'd think, if it's obvious you're targeting them they could just play kingmaker and help your opponents out with everything they've got until they die
@@enbyrogue3740I disagree, getting the group hug player out of the game early is best for the table. I’m not saying hard target them but they gotta go 😂
Sure if you wanna waste your time removing the group hug player, instead of turbo'ing your gameplan like the other two players and fall behind.
@@shonmatthew but the whole point is you won’t be getting to your game plan because everyone’s hands will be full and there will always be interaction for everything making the game last a long time. Therefore the enabler is gonna have to go 😂😂
Nah honestly they just aren't gonna compete with early aggro. If you don't like a deck just ask not to verse it sometimes but they will just sit out
"You put all those wonderful cards in your deck, don't you wanna see them all?"
Folio of fancies is my favorite group hug win con. All the mana doublers, see what the table does, then draw and mill them out
I had it out with Red Death. The pubstomper drew 50 cards in a turn. I activated folio and then forced them to draw with their win on the stack
Wait, so a group hig deck actually Wins?
@@Stayner yes they can have win cons,but not all do
Give me mana and cards and i just win ??? Even average decks will kill before you mill them out
@@Aubsty are you sure about that? even with the extra draw effects fueling yourself, a good group hug deck that wants to actually win will be running all of the pillow fort pieces to keep themselves alive. sure, one attack from a big creature kills them, but when you need to pay 16 mana just to attack with one, it gets difficult.
Master of the Feast, "Any pleasure when taken in excess is torment"
This script was goofy lol. The first two guys attacked each other at the same time and the guy in red was asking for more card draw then complained about all the card draw
Group Hug is my favourite archetype and I very quickly realized that the Group Hug player is public enemy number one. My solution to being targetted relentlessly was Gluntch Group Hug with zero win cons. My only goal for the deck is to never win a game and I make my opponents roll dice for gifts like it's D&D. It's become my pet deck and it's surprisingly fun.
I am Planechase.
group hug decks are often killed to prevent being kingmaker. thats why i prefer my breena the demagogue deck for group hug, as i have enough interaction usually to also check players who start to overly run away with the game due to stuff i give out.
it ironically makes the table not kill me for king making, or ill force a win in someone else when im being tabled by someone.
@@charlesmwolf that's why group hug plays pillow fort cards to make attacking them very annoying.
I run a group hug deck that hurts everyone for taking advantage of me and rewards attacking each other. With Breena, the demagogue I make everyone try to hit each other while I make a small pillow fort so they lose cards/mana if they attack me while goading other creatures my opponent controls and gives them double strike so they kill themselves. It's basically controlling them without getting rid of them. The bad thing is that when 2 of the opponents are left, I can't do 1v1 pretty well
@@andresvelazquez5922 do you also build revel in riches into a wincon?
@@charlesmwolf hmm thanks, I mostly have cards that take advantage of people drawing cards and then taking damage as a wincon, but I think I'll do that
Played Kyanios and Tiro for years but permanently retired them to make Shadrix
It's like those depictions of hell where everything seems great, but then you get addicted and drained of your life before you realize it.
That's why it's important to remember that group hug will still hug you even if they're at 1 life.
This type of thing is why i always have a nekusar the mindrazer deck in the back pocket
Laughs in jace
THIS is why I love group hug. ESPECIALLY in with white. Playing approach of the second sun is perfect
Goes well with anything that makes an opponent lose life when they draw. I have a nekusar the mindrazer deck that has all the fun draw and wheel effects with creatures/enchantments that punish draw fun stuff
I should make one of these..... for a friend of course...
This only works if everyone’s deck is around 6/10 power level. Not mentioning cedh, but if you are playing a good deck which includes high efficiency staples( tutor, low mana combo piece, high quality creatures), you will love this guy helping you
It definitely depends. If your meta has very volatile decks I would never play hug, especially ramp or mana doubling. My Council of Four deck really only needed a howling mine to churn out bodies and draw, with some politicing you're all set to win
Imo it also depends on what else is at the table. If you've got some other mills and or wheels happening, well.... I've seen 4 players with 50 cards in yard on turn 6.
I was just thinking I don’t even have a Green deck that doesn’t love any Hug that doesn’t *inflict* a hardcore mana-pinch.
What about the Hugs that go crazy with the free Place Permanent voting sorceries?
I made my group hug with lots of draw and lots of extra mana and land drops for everyone. My win cons are using Jace to deck myself and win, or using the obscene mana I’m producing for Helix Pinnacle.
I had a Xyris the Writhering Storm deck that was originally Group Hug until I got tired of my group pulling out their best decks. It slowly changed and is now the BBEG deck at our table.
My friend brought put an old deck last weekend Nekusar which is more of this in giving extra draws, but also damage for every draw.
I was working on a Kynaios and Tiro group hug deck with a Pride/Love subtheme in the art and flavors (using some of the Pride Across the Multiverse cards/alt-arts, and things like Secret Rendezvous from Strixhaven, and Run Away Together from Eldraine). I kinda wanna work on it again now that I know I can either do a Second Sun win condition for White, or use the Blue “Yall Draw till you deck out” win con you demonstrated here.
Add wedding ring from crimson vow!
@@isaacjohnson3674 Already planning it!
I adore my Monoblue groupdraw deck. It's so fun
Forced fruition is one of my favorite carda in my Kami of the Crescent Moon deck. That alongside hive mind + windfall
My selesnya group hug laughs at your need for blue but understands the power of jace.
Every commander deck from 2011-2014. Howling Mine, Font of Mythos, Rites of Flourishing. Everyone draws 4 cards or more a turn and plays 2 lands at least lol
Group hug is a tough one. I love it personally but you gotta go into the game knowing that you probably won’t win (depending on your build) and plenty of players may not even appreciate that you helped them out. Always have tricks unless you’re happy to just lose at some point. Alt win cons or mass stealing can work..
Absolutely going in my Actual Group Hugs Kenrith deck. (The deck runs a handful of goofy you win cards but otherwise has no real game plan outside drawing everyone cards and ramping everyone a lot)
That was my exact idea when building my Kwain, Itinerant Meddler edh deck. Too much of a good thing becomes a bad thing at some point.
I have a build on moxfield that the main goal is making everyone else deck out but it can do laboratory maniac and approach of the second sun wins
We love group hug! That said no lies detected. It's inverse stax: control the tempo and build everything faster but build a deck where you thrive in that environment. 🤗🤗🤗🤗
Had a monoblue force draw deck. I didn't like how mill played so instead I made people draw their deck, of they attack me mass bounce or tap their field
I had a recent game where I purposely decked myself due to an opponents Forced Fruition, the final spell I cast purposely was Angels Grace. The look on everyone’s face was priceless.
I’m a fan of forced fruition and then later when they have crazy hands dropping the og Jin Gitaxis
happened in my friend group game and i had the eldrazi precon w infinite hand and i was playing with kozilek. man i was countering everything.
Forced fruition is one of my favorite cards
They only work in less volatile metas. If drawing 7 or getting fast ramp could mean they insta win, I wouldn't risk it. Council of Four works amazingly off the back of some light hug
just as a reminder, forced fruition is a cast trigger, not on resolve. enjoy those counter battles...
...until i put my graveyard back into my library and my Niv-Mizzet, Baron has a hungry look in his eyes
I once made a group hug deck with the primary intention of casting a large "each player draws x cards" spell so that there would be a tie between all players. True group hug. Everyone wins.
Thats why i love that card, at first your opponent is like hell yeah free cards and then oh my library is gone.
Group hug just means quick death in my pod.
My group hug is Nekusar the Mindraizer, hug with barber wire
It's a so full stratedy, Mill's much more mischievous little brother...
"Go to end step and discard Gaea's Gift.
ive been trying to make my zedruu deck use her ability but not be group hug by swapping stuff instead of just donating, its pretty fun people think its group huh then its like... nah ima just take your stuff 😂
Forced Fruition + Notion Thief. Thanks for the cards.
wow you just give your opponent the tool to deck you. you have never see a Forced Fruition at work do you it seem innocent at first you cast 2-3 spell and you have 21+ cards in hands sweet you think I had enough I will remove it 28+ the blue player after you cast a countspell he draw 7 cards probably more counter and the player with the Forced Fruition probably as a bunch to and now it dawn on you how many spell can I still cast before I die
can I kill three other player with 7 spell 6spell ... oh shit
I have a Black/Red/Blue GH deck that I call "the Devils Deal."
Because it looks like I'm the tables friend, until I want something in return.
My blue braids deck likes to hug, A LOT!!
I have an enchantement deck with that card in it, and 4 fate unravvelers, everytime you draw a card, you take 1 damage
Group hug decks are my favorite. I don't care that they made me draw 200 cards. That's just me revealing cards from the top of my library until I've revealed 200 non-land cards and or put my library back in a random order for the remaining, all thanks to Abundance.
I miss Island Sanctuary decks.
Random question, is Nekusar in some twisted, possibly masochistic way a group hug commander?
"Listen, you are all drawing exactly what you wanted, so stop crying already."
I remember when I played forced fruition and then mind slavered all my opponents. Good times
its all group hugs until the shared fate comes out.
"Haha yeah OK, cast farewell"
Plot twist I play laboratory maniac and deck out winning the game, thanks friend
Funny story I played with a group hugger in the group, and one of the other players was targeting him and say he has to leave, and I was like Noo leave him alone and I pretty much protect him😂 and some guy comes around the corner, and like you still playing, and the group hugger, was like yes I have a simp protecting me, at the end i won 😂😂
Dream Halls + Forced fruition. and watch the Suboptimal decks buckle under the abundance
My Titania Voice of Gaia would just trample over it.. or disenchant the FFruition
my group hug gives lots of mana to the whole table and then I cook everyone with yurlock
Every time an opponent has played forced fruition, I've gained control of the game. If you lose due to it, you need to put more removal in whatever you're playing.
Hoping and praying nobody has any enchantment removal in the rest of their deck
Forced fruition + nekusar the mindrazer
My biggest gripe is when group hug players try to pretend they’re actually helping and get mad when you attacked them 🙃
This is why you always have a contingency plan to replenish the graveyard.
except that everyone drawing a ton of cards means "someone" will have a cheap graveyard exiler ready
Yeah I love group hug! It's just friendly mill 😂 everyone gets everything they want, and they get to see their whole deck in their hands!
I played a 5 person game of commander using Nekusar. One kid killed him every time he came out so nobody got any value off of him. I was just trying to be nice
According to Dante, paradise is a ring of hell
My group hates my xyris group hug deck because snakes be scary when drawing a lot of cards
Forcing opponents to draw cards is flying close to the sun. Surely SOMEONE is going to draw an answer to the fruition plus a bunch of gas
This is why curses are the goat
And this is why I make sure to target the Group Hug player early to keep them on a short lease.
Phelddagrif foreva
My favorite way to play, have them get lost in the sauce and then just shut the lid overthem with something like forced fruition
Group hug should be renamed to Monkeys Paw at this point.
Ah yes forced fruition i have it in my kenrith group hug deck.....i usually combine it with smothering tithe
man, in my pod, someone plays Forced Fruition and they are guaranteeing a loss.
It really depends on what you’re playing it in. If you’ve got cards that punish draw like sheoldred (or Chains of Mephistopheles if your pod is OK with proxy’s) you kinda just don’t care that much
If your deck can’t outmaneuver a group hug deck after it gave you a super boost the first 4 turns of a game. That’s purely a skill issue. Every time I target a deck like this. They squirm so bad because you killing them is the only right choice they don’t want the table to acknowledge.
Hive Mind and Pacts on stand by….
Just recycle your graveyard into your library in any number of different ways.
I run Forced Fruition and Possibility Storm together in my group hug deck, you don’t get the spell you want, AND you draw 14 cards😈
Don’t call me out like that. Just drink the kool aid and everything will be fine
I actually won a game last week by copying Forced Fruition with Storm of Saruman. Good times.
It's all fun and games until the group hug deck pulls out a surprise Nekusar
Fighting vs a Nekusar deck and not wanting to draw is an odd thing
I like watching my opponents waste all their extra resources trying to kill the group hug player making it easy to take them out. Idk why people hate it, it just makes a casual pod more fun and chaotic. Not every game needs to be ultra competitive
I wish forced fruition also affected myself
I call my group hug deck my 2nd place deck. Bc i almost never win but everyone wants me around on there turn.
First rule of Stax: Gaslight
Sheoldreds good friend xD
14 damage each spell.
Said no group hug deck ever xD one eldrazi and u 😭.
I will be honest everytime my opponent plays forced fruition i end up winning usually the next turn.
My group hugs only win con was rise of the second sun
Laughs in Nekusar
nah it just put a target on you Forced Fruition does not need him
*Multiple* Windfalls? The other players are definitely running Thas.Oracle and Lab Man.
Me playing Lab Man:
Or you know, just win with Thassa's Oracle + Demonic Consultation
@@B1gLupuextremely loud incorrect buzzer
@@alexalex543211 Why?
@@B1gLupubecause you can play something doesn’t mean you should.
@@grantbosworth6418 if your opponents arent going to stop you from winning, you should just take the win and be glad. Its a game, the goal is to win.
hey there group hug nekusar here(:
I'll take that deal everyday.
I like to think that my Nekusar deck is not evil, just an alternative group hug type deck. The fact that you normally take 4/5 damage each time you draw a card is irrelevant.
Idk, most group hugs I play against just end up turboing the combo deck at the table to a win
farewell ⛄️
Forced Fruition + Xyris