Alastor: a Hazbin Hotel Character Analysis (part 4 of 4)
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- The final installment of my Alastor series, though I'm already scripting some endnotes, so go ahead and follow if you haven't already.
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I don't know about that, if you look at his shadow which shows his true feelings, his shadow was very excited to take on Adam. Maybe he was starved after making that shield and his mind was addled by hunger. Also Zestial said that the rumor was that he fell TO holy arms, meaning that he would have been DEAD dead. Maybe he had to make a deal to recover from being mortally wounded by holy weapons, although you'd think he would have been more careful about facing Adam.
Where to start! I really like you brought up Mimsy in the context of Alistor’s deal/promise what ever.
I don’t think it is a coincidence that husk brings up alistor’s chain the same episode he acts out of character and is called out for not being his usual self by a different old friend. I think a lot of people lazer focused on what Zestrial said and his call out of Alistor’s disappearance and the rumors. While people liked the confirmation of the back story she gave. Her call out is more interesting.
We do not know to much about Alistor and what his life in hell has been like for decades. She does. It is easy to take his answer to vaggie in the first episode as the truth because it feels plausible. He is a sadistic self centered guy. Why wouldn’t he want a front row seat to failure!?
I think i have only stumbed across one other youtuber who discussed the significance of Alistor kicking out Mimsy.
Aside from his confidence and possibly not having a choise, i think he might have thrown himself into the fight with the sharks because he needed an outlet for his anger. He had a pissing contest with Lucifer and then got called out by husk. He probably wasn’t in a great mood and put on more of a show then he needed to.
The other reason floated is he has enough belief in or commitment to the hotel and charlie that he feels he must enforce the rules. I mean he sits with the group watching Angle’s “show and tell” I don’t think he is remotely interested in adult films and don’t think any promise to help charlie would cover this. He sits through some of the trust building shenanigans and he even hangs out during the group relax time before the fight.
The only group activity i can think of him skipping is the group bar hang out with cherri bomb. Funnily enough i actually forgot he wasn’t there. It’s easy to miss with all pf the new characters and trying to juggle the recurring cast. Also nifty is there. Maybe he just crashed on the couch or something and didn’t feel like being around that many people. But my point is some of the social activities are probably not covered by what ever deal he made meaning his participation was more voluntary and that could point to a bond with charlie. He could just hang out because his calendar is blank what else is there. Might as well get the entertainment he told vaggie he wanted. It could be to throw off charlie and vaggie or anything else.
So when he enforces the rules against an old friend. He could be trying to keep a good thing going. He knows that mimsy will bring fights and messes and probably pick fight with Vaggie and possibly piss off charlie and he needs to nip that in the bud. But he also could be keeping charlie and the hotel safe. I don’t think we get to see husk react to Alistor kicking out mimsy but i wonder if he thought it was wired. Him pleading with Alistor to send her packing earlier points to him knowing this behavior is unusual and unlike mimsy and possibly nifty he knows more about the deal alistor is trapped by.
I don’t know how coherent this is. I think you made a good observation that Alistor kicking out minsy is string evidence that he does not have the autonomy that he pretends he has. Charlie and probably Vaggie take this at face value. While they do have some idea who he was it probably just rumor and maybe seeing him is passing. Maybe if he has more moments of people who have know alistor longer like Mimsy, Husk, Rosie, Zestial many even Vox vaggie could pick up on it and realize that alistor is trapped.
Liked a caged animal alistor could eventually snap and lash out to escape possible hurting charlie to do so. It will not matter if they have a bond is Alistor is desperate enough he may stab charlie in the back to save himself. Which plays into your season three idea!
Last point on Minsy, some people thought she was an anti-Semitic characature. She was not intended to be. She is supposed to be a chicken demon. That is why her nose is like that. I tend does not absolve impact of course. I would not mind if she got a redesign if/when she comes back. Make her more bird like, more chicken feather and i think people will be less offended. I don’t know, it was a small blow up when the show was reaching people who were not already neck deep in the fandom.
Yeah, I really like Mimsy, and I was surprised to find out that people REALLY don't like her. I won't pretend the similarities aren't there, but I think it's also possible that people start from a place of hating her and work backward. Never mind the fact that there's stronger evidence for Charlie being Jewish than Mimsy, even if she was... her character design is in line with all the other freaks in the show. It's not like they all look normal and Mimsy looks like this. No.
I also have questions for people who don't like her. What do they have against a plus sized possibly Jewish flapper girl living her best afterlife?
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Aw, thank you!
I really love your content (also first because sayign that when you comment first is a thing apparantly), especially your stuff hazbin hotel becuase it feels more authentic and analytical rather than just followign common fan rhetoric.
In terms of my thoghts on Alastor, lillith, etc. I am of the belief that Eve is somehow involved becuase I feel what we know about lillith (ie she felt herself equal to Adam and is likely quite stubborn as she refused to bottom(I know that specific interpretation is from other sources but hehe) and made good from beign made queen of hell) it feels kind of out of character for her to make a deal with Adam. It sort of involves a level of submission, but she was totally against this. But who was literally designed to submit to Adam? Eve. Thus comes the theory that it was Eve disguised as lillith we see in heaven at the end of season 1.
From this there are 2 possibilities. 1: Something happened to Lillith 7 years ago due to Eve and in desperation and care for her little girl she turned to Alastor as a last resort to ensure Charlie remained safe while Lillith was comprimised. 2: Eve has been masquerading as lillith for far longer, perhaps even to the extent that she's charlie's mother (potential backing for this is in conventional lore that lilith can't bear children). This potentially also explains why she kept charlie and lucifer apart and then seperated from him. But 7 years ago something happened and Eve made deals with Adam and Alastor.
I definietely want the second idea to be true just because of how batsh*t crazy it is but if eve is "lillith" the first seems more likely.
I like that so much! I also really hope Eve makes an appearance.
And thank you! I don't see any reason to be anything but authentic and original. Popular speech doesn't need to be repeated.
@@chloeeastwood6696 there are some mysteries that the show wants to hide in plain sight. Like keekee the cat. A literal key to the hotel. Hangs out with Sir Pentius night before he asends. She seems more traumatized after the battle then fat nuggets and Lucifer uses her to rebuild. It feels like most of the picture is there. We are just missing one or two holes in very middle. If that makes sense.
I think eve is in a similar boat. They set her up at the beginning and then leave a gapping hole. Whenever we see adam there is the question where is eve? Woman who follows around Adam isn’t eve. And then adam kick it a second time and then lute talks to Lilith but there is still not a clear look at her face. We are ment to know we don’t have all the pieces but clues are waved in our face.
@@BecauseICantEdit so i re read your comment so i can. Respond better. There are a lot of people speculating and Eve lilith saw at some point. And how much of this Lucifer knows. A lot of people fixate on the necklace and horns. As well as possible infertility of lilith. That last one to might explain why it took so long for Lucifer to have an heir. Ans while he may not know everything going on with lilith and eve he may know more than he lets on to charlie and us.
During the fight with Adam Lucifer says that Adam’s fist wife liked what he had to offer and so did the second and made a gesture for oral sex. He says with publicity. Charlie could have heard this and realized her dad has slept with eve after eloping with lilith. This does open the door to a intentional surrogacy. But it is not definitive so maybe Lucifer doesn’t know.
As for Lilith being the one Alistor made a deal with… it is all speculation. Having been in this fandom for quite a while there was a lot of fighting about whether Vaggie was an exorcist or not. The fans were in a similar boat. There wasn’t a lot to go on but there were clues. At the time i remember people saying her general look and showing up with spear was too obvious. And then Medrano lamp shaded this telling fans sometimes the obvious is true.
So i have made the case not to discount Lilith being the one who made a deal with Alistor specifically in the grounds that it is too obvious or not elaborate enough. Do i believe it? Well…. Yes. As of now.
For me i am more interested in the Lilith eve heaven situation. Who did we see? It was probably lilith but who knows. Lute probably would not be in the loop and she seems to low ranking. Although it would certainly be a twist if she was pretending to be loyal to adam and played him tor a fool. Also who else knows. Does sera know?
In conclusion I don’t know, i have conspiracy theories and i am very interested.
Side note there was a funny fan comic where Emily wants to take charlie to see a beach during her visit in episode 6 and Sera fanatically jumps in and suggests something else and distracts the two and takes them away from the beach. Hinting she knows but Emily doesn’t. I am sure it didn’t happen but it is funny to imagine.
Yeah, speculation over paratext is always like that. I can't wait to get my answers in Season 2.
Yeah, WHY is alastor so sensitive about this secret?
I don't think it's UNHEARD of for an overlord to be in a soul contract with another entity, considering just HOW common selling one's soul is in hell......
Right? I'm so curious how this is going to go