What Makes Miraculous Fans Stay?
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- I think when you’re knee deep in the Miraculous fandom it’s easy to get swept up in all its flaws. After all there are quite a lot of them. And that can be therapeutic in a way, not feeling like you’re completely insane for questioning the writing of a children’s cartoon where a lot of other people agree with you. But there does seem to really be a lot of complaining, and I realise I am majorly guilty of this with my platform and sharing my thoughts on the smooth brain writing. So today I thought I’d touch some grass, take in a breath of fresh air and talk about what makes this show special and why we as fans really do love it so much. Enjoy.
It’s a soap opera, terrible writing, that goes nowhere, romance plots that go around forever, and yet just as much of a hook to get you to keep watching,
It may be a dumpster fire but it's MY dumpster fire. 😔🔥🗑
Its genius really
just quit the fandom if you dont like it none is holding u
FR
I admire how Miraculous can simultaneously be atrocious all around and really enjoyable at the same time
I'm still looking for the second part
For me, it is how unique it is: blending fantasy and superheroes, a combination that could and should have been done before but has only been a minor part of DC and Marvel. Furthermore, the villains are mostly demonically-possessed civilians rather than more conventional villains, quite unique. And the heroes wield personified primordial concepts of reality; very unique, not at all like most super-heroes. Plus, the villains are often actually challenging; rather than seeing an expert fighter with advanced technology and tons of resources and prep time beating on older, smaller, less-trained, poorer, and less-prepared antagonists, as DC's most popular example. The main pair are constantly dealing with often very unique and unpredictable threats; rather than a repeat roster of the usual suspects doing the same sorts of things repeatedly ad nauseam. Furthermore, the primary protagonist being a local goofy girl and her love interest trying too hard to be perfect but still being a very likable person beyond that is more interesting than a perfect future Queen from an unrealistically idealized place, or a straight-cut-by-the-books farmboy with absurd powers, or a completely overrated mental patient who never loses. So, for me, it is how unique it is. MLB is such its own thing and that is why I like it despite its many flaws. It should remain unique and never try to emulate other franchises. Another thing I like is the fact that Adrien does not let loss and misery control his life. He is such a strong person and it is a shame that they turned him into a construct of the peacock miraculous, as it removed most of his personal agency as well as most of the sincerity, depth, and complexities of his relationships. No matter who he lost, how much he was isolated to the point of imprisonment, or how much he was treated more as an object than a person by most people, he did not let that sour him or cause him to lose faith in the potentials of others. Even when most miraculous were lost, he never lost faith that they would still defeat his father in the end; even when Ladybug gave up, he never quit not for a second. I cannot get over how much I like him. He could submit himself to every woman in Paris; but instead commits himself fully to the only ones he has any genuine connection with (who are both the same person). Despite being raised by terrible people and only ever having anything resembling a friendship or sibling-esque bond with two dark souls, he still has a clear and true moral compass. This is how you know his truth: he has every reason to be like Chloe or Felix, but he is not. Adrien, it is not how you are alike...it is how you are NOT.
If you can adapt with the cringe then you can laugh at it's astrocities.
We call that a love and hate relationship. Which is also what I have with the show miraculous.
@@ReginaMacKenzie1994Cof Sailor Moon cof
The thing that keeps me going is my desire to see it through to the end. Even with all the show's problems, I've been watching the show since the very beginning. I've watched things go absolutely insane, for better or worse, so I might as well see how it all ends. Even if it's not satisfying, at least I can say my patience was rewarded.
For me, it is how unique it is: blending fantasy and superheroes, a combination that could and should have been done before but has only been a minor part of DC and Marvel. Furthermore, the villains are mostly demonically-possessed civilians rather than more conventional villains, quite unique. And the heroes wield personified primordial concepts of reality; very unique, not at all like most super-heroes. Plus, the villains are often actually challenging; rather than seeing an expert fighter with advanced technology and tons of resources and prep time beating on older, smaller, less-trained, poorer, and less-prepared antagonists, as DC's most popular example. The main pair are constantly dealing with often very unique and unpredictable threats; rather than a repeat roster of the usual suspects doing the same sorts of things repeatedly ad nauseam. Furthermore, the primary protagonist being a local goofy girl and her love interest trying too hard to be perfect but still being a very likable person beyond that is more interesting than a perfect future Queen from an unrealistically idealized place, or a straight-cut-by-the-books farmboy with absurd powers, or a completely overrated mental patient who never loses. So, for me, it is how unique it is. MLB is such its own thing and that is why I like it despite its many flaws. It should remain unique and never try to emulate other franchises.
For me its the potential for greatness, that just falls short. I want to analyze it thoroughly so i dont make the same mistakes and i cant do that if im not watching
Same!! Its the curiosity of what will come, how is gonna end
Same here
Here is my reason before watching the video:
-The show is ass
-The writing is ass
-The fandom is ass
-The producers are ass
-The story is ass
-The finale is ass
So why do i keep watching it? Because of the concept and the characters. Since 2017ish, 12 years old me absolutely fell in love with the concept of highschool teenagers having romance drama and a superhero alternate life to deal with. The idea that an identity reveal one day would cause the ships to sail and the promise of father-son face off at the end made me glood to the screen (that's glued but written like gloob)
19 yo me knows that the promises were empty but i still absolutely adore the mlb concept and its just like, after so many years, i cant stop now
Truly the only thing keeping me here is the fact I already invested 8+ years of my life into this show
Might as well suffer with the others
Hell ya trauma bonding 🤧
Same, wasted too much time on it to NOT know how it ends
Sunk cost fallacy. Hang in there
@@Rachel-lo6if Sunk cost fallacy has always been the bane of my existence
I never stop to think about it, but even tho I have not been here since the beginning, still has been FIVE YEARS since i got here, and that's fucking A LOT, we really are all in this together, trauma bonding over this show
This show is similar to the likes of the phrase 'so bad that it's good.' But the way Astruc represents himself online, it's a bit like a cult.
One thing the fandom agreed on is they hate how he acted online
@@fatherplatypus2316 Rightfully so.
Astruc acts a little bit like a wannabe cult leader
Another thing I like is the fact that Adrien does not let loss and misery control his life. He is such a strong person and it is a shame that they turned him into a construct of the peacock miraculous, as it removed most of his personal agency as well as most of the sincerity, depth, and complexities of his relationships. No matter who he lost, how much he was isolated to the point of imprisonment, or how much he was treated more as an object than a person by most people, he did not let that sour him or cause him to lose faith in the potentials of others. Even when most miraculous were lost, he never lost faith that they would still defeat his father in the end; even when Ladybug gave up, he never quit not for a second. I cannot get over how much I like him. He could submit himself to every woman in Paris; but instead commits himself fully to the only ones he has any genuine connection with (who are both the same person). Despite being raised by terrible people and only ever having anything resembling a friendship or sibling-esque bond with two dark souls, he still has a clear and true moral compass. This is how you know his truth: he has every reason to be like Chloe or Felix, but he is not. Adrien, it is not how you are alike...it is how you are NOT.
Maybe it's because he has no character beyond being Marinette/Ladybug's simp.
@@mayotango1317 Sure he does. He wants to be free of modelling, wants sincere connections, wants to be free from his restrictive parents, wants to save the world, wants to make his parents proud, and more.
@@ReginaMacKenzie1994 The pre-Season 3 Adrien, yes. The now Adrien just want Marinette.
@@mayotango1317 He vocalized his celebrity fatigue in Risk (S4) and openly confronted and defied Gabriel multiple times in S5.
@@ReginaMacKenzie1994 And in "Confrontation" he put in his form that "I don't know what to do in life all I knows is that I just love Marinette", even Chloe is so right that that's pathetic and then calling him a "daddy's puppet". And yes we saw Adrien being ignored by Grabiel, but when Marinette used the same arguments in the finale he immediately started crying. Mary Sue powers, as Cyrus the Great would say.
The worst scene in MLB was when Marinette almost kissed Adrien bc she thought he was a statue. And her monologue before that. I had to mentally prepare for this scene 10 minutes.
As a Marinette stan, season 3 really was her worst season and I think if it didn’t exist, more people would like her character. But I also have to remember she is the female mc and people love hopping on the trend to hate the female mc.
Even worse is that this is the supposed reason Adrien fell for her
@@AnimationStation3000 I refuse to believe that is when Adrien developed his feelings. I strongly believe he developed them when he gave her that damn umbrella 😭
@@josratubangura I'm right with you
A lot of shows have female MCs that are well like anne from amphibia and luz from the owl house, to name a few. @josratubangura
I like the new animation but the old animation was such a special part of the show for me lol. Whether people liked it or not, it will always hold a place in my heart.
The Reverse Special is pretty much why I'm still here. It reminded me of how much Marinette and Adrien actually had to go through, whether that was self love or acceptance. Idk, just having it there as a reminder of why I love this show and its characters makes me want to watch more.
I agree. When I left the fandom and show for a while and then came back, I was disappointed with the finale of Season 5 but the reverse special really pulled me back in (that and ShadyBug is op lol!)
@@josratubangura sometimes I forget how much the characters actually went through, so this really made me appreciate and respect them more. I just wish it was explored more.
The fanfics for sure. Speaking of which, you should review some of the popular ones if you need MLB content between seasons!
Another thing I like is the fact that Adrien does not let loss and misery control his life. He is such a strong person and it is a shame that they turned him into a construct of the peacock miraculous, as it removed most of his personal agency as well as most of the sincerity, depth, and complexities of his relationships. No matter who he lost, how much he was isolated to the point of imprisonment, or how much he was treated more as an object than a person by most people, he did not let that sour him or cause him to lose faith in the potentials of others. Even when most miraculous were lost, he never lost faith that they would still defeat his father in the end; even when Ladybug gave up, he never quit not for a second. I cannot get over how much I like him. He could submit himself to every woman in Paris; but instead commits himself fully to the only ones he has any genuine connection with (who are both the same person). Despite being raised by terrible people and only ever having anything resembling a friendship or sibling-esque bond with two dark souls, he still has a clear and true moral compass. This is how you know his truth: he has every reason to be like Chloe or Felix, but he is not. Adrien, it is not how you are alike...it is how you are NOT.
I won't lie, I stay because I feel like I owe it to my 2015 (9 year old) self to finish the series. Like, I NEED to see it through. I've dug myself too deep into the fandom, to just leave. My hyperfixation with this show can't just be abandoned.
(I love this show despite its flaws😭😭😭. I can't get enough❤❤❤)
It’s just… nostalgia for me. It brings me back to a really happy and good time in my life, when I was younger. It’s so silly and atrocious but still brings me back every time. It brought me friendships and helped me learn to draw humans better.
And also, Kagami.
i keep on watching because part of my younger self really wants to see how the story ends, even if its not good anymore. the old animation holds a special place in my heart and brings back nostalgia for a time where things were good w the show. as a kid, i was so invested and excited to see the story unfold.
i remember always staying up till 3am to watch the french dub air on tf1 and leaving mean comments under gloob for spoiling everything and reading fan theories on tumblr which was my go to place to interact w everyone in the fandom lol.
i may not like the show as it is anymore but i do have my own version that i made in my head that is 100x better than the writers could ever do lmao, so when i watch the new episodes i just redo it in my head until it makes sense.
About kwami lore, I think it's very very neat that the hero outfit tailors itself to the holder's sense of fashion and imagination. It makes me want to draw so much fanart!
Id say it's the hope of the love square coming full circle. Or just seeing lielas downfall. But even still it's a miracle the shows still going and that can be great
It’s justified not because it’s true, but because said terrorist WON. Said terrorist created a NEW WORLD, no wonder he’s called a hero in that world
I’m from Italy and as a child I didn’t used to watch this show, even if I knew it from Disney Channel. Then, I started watching it thanks to my best friend and at the beginning I really enjoyed it. After some months, I understood how many problems this show has got, but despite everything I’m fond of it. Not for the plot, but for the italian voice actors: they have dubbed a lot of cartoons and series that I used to love during my childhood and I hold their voices in my heart forever.
From my point of view the real problem in this show is the writing, especially Thomas Astruc, who’s so rude with every person on Twitter….
I also like the very unique soundtrack, and many of the songs in the movie. The theme of Cat Noir's Broken Heart perfectly captures the feeling of star-crossed-lovers and that theme that plays in Protection when the two are watching clouds together perfectly captures what young love feels like; especially considering that it was once Gabriel and Emilie's exact spot; hinting at the fact that Gabriel is an omen of what Marinette could be like if she lets love poison her. No other superhero franchise has such a distinctive and profound soundtrack; they usually center around action and tend to lack a more subtle or emotional soundtrack. I LOVED THE MUSIC THAT PLAYED THROUGHOUT RISK-STRIKEBACK! Risk's theme was downright chilling, as was the scene that played when Gabriel sent the akuma to him: the sun setting over Paris as the last classical akumatization was about to occur, it just oozed "End of an Era".
Yeah there is a lot to complain about and wish the series was kept to the original plan. The plan to aim it to young adults/teens & making it dark. Also how Felix was Marinette’s original love interest too. However I still watch it bc it could improve, enjoy hearing Cristina, Bryce, Faye & Andrew voicing the characters (especially watching it in French/European Spanish) and mostly to see what will happen next.
They do have great ideas to improve the writing such as the Paris Special & movie but it’s mostly from who is writing the script. Also I did make some friends from us watching the series & bonded over it
I've watched this show from the very beginning and I enjoy it. Even though it has problems, I will continue to watch it until the end.
Another thing I like is the fact that Adrien does not let loss and misery control his life. He is such a strong person and it is a shame that they turned him into a construct of the peacock miraculous, as it removed most of his personal agency as well as most of the sincerity, depth, and complexities of his relationships. No matter who he lost, how much he was isolated to the point of imprisonment, or how much he was treated more as an object than a person by most people, he did not let that sour him or cause him to lose faith in the potentials of others. Even when most miraculous were lost, he never lost faith that they would still defeat his father in the end; even when Ladybug gave up, he never quit not for a second. I cannot get over how much I like him. He could submit himself to every woman in Paris; but instead commits himself fully to the only ones he has any genuine connection with (who are both the same person). Despite being raised by terrible people and only ever having anything resembling a friendship or sibling-esque bond with two dark souls, he still has a clear and true moral compass. This is how you know his truth: he has every reason to be like Chloe or Felix, but he is not. Adrien, it is not how you are alike...it is how you are NOT.
Honestly, the show overall does have its moments of being decently written. I just wish it was more consistent about it. I'm hoping that with the Agreste arc being finished, season 6 will be an improvement.
There are actually lot of reasons I’m still staying despite my violent disgust towards Marinette in the season 5 finale. First off. Adrien and Plagg’s friendship. That is a core part of the show. Also Feligami. Yes. They needed more time to develop as a ship. But it felt more satisfying than Adrienette’s ahem dragged conclusion. Also Duusu! I hate Reflekdoll so much! Especially because of Ladybug aka Lady Noire’s nasty and cruel attitude! But what made this episode worth that pain. Was Duusu! The kwami of emotions! Her voice in the English dub is so good! And fits her perfectly! I remember being such a nervous wreck because I was worried she’d sound bad. But no. They made her sound adorable and squeaky but not grating! And people say the miraculous English dub is bad. Ha! I don’t think so! What else? Oh! The Lukadrien moments. Those are great! And as much as I have a complicated relationship with Zoe’s character. I really hope she and Adrien get an episode or more together. Because though I ship them. I also would adore seeing them bond together as friends. Without Marinette getting in the way. Because not everything is about her. Even if people think otherwise. I’m also staying to see Marinette be held accountable for her actions in the season 5 finale of course. Because I’m pretty sure forgiving a terrorist is a very high crime of punishment. How high? I sadly don’t know. I also want Adrien to separate himself from Marinette. Because frankly. She’s done enough damage to him in my opinion.
In my imaginative au,Zoe is a Muslim actor who have issue with the whole concept of superheroes, their purpose and being a role model to people. After meeting ladybug and being a superhero once,she ended up enjoy being one and have more good view on superheros. Yes,she hold the bee miraculous but only in a short time period because she's afraid Chloe will found out she's Vesperia and in order to not make her sad, she gave up her miraculous and continue on her dreams as an actor. She still got a miraculous at the end which a butterfly miraculous in that one episode/arc where she bonded with Nooroo and end up getting him. Her superhero name is Papillon.
I do think more people are interested in the potential ML’s premise and world offer than the actual execution. You can see this in the number of fan made works set in the ML universe or rewrites.
I think part of this is like the video says; the world ML has build is fun and colourful, it’s a world people want to imagine stories in.
But I think it’s also how new and fresh the world of ML is, so many other superhero stories at the moment are all parts of pre-existing universes, Marvel or DC being the biggest and most obvious. ML however is still new enough that the rules of the world, as well as what can and cannot happen within it, haven’t been set yet. It’s not quite a blank canvas but there’s still a freedom where people can create whatever stories they want without the foundation of what is already there setting restrictions on the creativity.
These factors make it joyful to imagine stories because there’s so much creative potential, which is why there’s also frustration with the actual show; instead of making the most of the creative potential they’ve insisted on a narrative status quo where progress is teased but immediately walked back. And it gets even more annoying when characters get their personalities changed to worse versions of themselves just to keep the narrative where it is for the sake of the “will they, won’t they” nonsense. There’s a freedom to do anything but instead the creators have chosen to do nothing
Your reviews are the only things Keeping me attached to this dhow
I stood, because I was on a fanfic-phase back then. I also liked to hear the amount of possibilities the show had, if things had been done by Zag or major people of the fandom, even other show writers.
Despite being way outside the target audience I binged the whole thing while unwell over the summer. As well as the positive things you point out (and you're right, the love square is absolute genius), I'd add that the direction is mostly very lively and dynamic, and the dialogue is snappy and sometimes really funny. I was also watching it in French, which sounds so much better than the dub. I think bingeing it was the only real way for me to get through it. Otherwise my interest would have faded between seasons.
I just can’t stop watching. It’s like an addiction.😂 Yes it’s bad writing and the pacing is terrible…but I just can’t stop watching it
For me is just the insane potential that this show has, If only they hadn't exhausted all their brain cells on the lore and saved some for the writing towards the end
I think there's a lot of good things about this show, as you listed them yourself, but there's also just so much garbage and bad writing that kind of sinks all those good things down because it's impossible to ignore the bad shit. Also I feel like every single fan of MLB knows that this goddamn show had SO MUCH POTENTIAL, only to be wasted like that and we get whatever the hell we got in the last seasons 😢
In all honesty I can say that most of his fans are only interested in this series for "what could have been" and not for the disaster it is now.
I'm not surprised that's why the fanfic versions of Miraculous are superior to the tv canon.
Guilty pleasure, so bad but it makes it good. But really the times when there are good moments, they are great. The concept is very interesting and the relationship dynamics are probably what keeps me. Plus the movie was actually pretty good and looking at the Paris special and season 6, they actually look like their improving their work.
The thing you said... about the Bare Bones being good but the meat on the bones tasting a little bit funky... I think that really is the best analogy to describe miraculous I've ever heard. I still really love the show and I keep coming back for more but... sometimes I wish that the meat was just a little bit better seasoned
i couldn't agree more!! i was going through my miraculous phase -again- until this week, i rewatched a lot of episodes from S1 and S2, and even some from S3 as well, and my heart was filled with joy, the giggles this show gave me in the early seasons! it all came back to me, and believe me, i go through this phase every once in a while and it never gets old. however, after S5 i got extremely burnt out from miraculous, i was so upset about everything, and it was sooo hard to get over it. and i made the mistake of rewatching some episodes from S5 just to remember what it was like, and oh boy, the discontent came flooding back to me, and i was immediately shut down on my little phase. so yeah, i relate 100% with everything said in this video. we come back for the love we once had, and we hope for it to change back to what it was before. i could spend hours talking about what i love about miraculous, but i could also spend hours talking about everything i hate about it.
Before I watch the video, here's my reasons:
1. Most of the time, the story will be a letdown, but there are little moments where the show comes through, like that Marichat kiss? My goodness, that was one of the best scenes in the whole show...you know, before the whole, 'Oh yeah, our identities! We can't do this!' thing.
2. The idea of a superhero couple never gets old, and them knowing who the other is would actually make it ten times more fun. Cat Blanc was a good episode because one could rescue the other or protect the other, or just have even funnier banter as they fought, and even though some writers are afraid to change or advance the concept of the story like that, that's what people want to see! The story advance! I swear, we'll still be interested even if they know each others' identities!
3. I have to admit though, because the show never changes, it's easy to watch because you know for the most part, there won't be any surprises.
4. We all pick certain ships for a reason, like superhero couple, high school sweethearts, superhero sweeps girl off her feet or superheroine sweeps guy off his feet, and people will WAIT for episodes of that ship no matter what. My favorite is Marichat, so I keep waiting for those episodes for sure.
5. I really like the magic aspect of it and how they're ancient jewels and forces of the universe. I've never really seen a show like that and I feel like that makes it really special.
6. I was really sad when Master Fu was booted because he added more mystery and lore that the other guardian dude can't replace. He was like a Gandalf and I liked that. 🤣
Edit: Honestly, I really loved your video! I like how you don't straight up hate on one character only, you're not just angry ranting, and I completely agree with your analysis. The love story and magic really does have so much to offer when they're not trying to backtrack or stretch it out. 🤣
They stay because of Hope a dying one where the show will get better or the love square thing but since that's over and was quite irritating. Hopefully the rumors about season 6 being an reboot are somewhat true. Also fanfiction is honestly keeping this show afloat
For me, it is how unique it is: blending fantasy and superheroes, a combination that could and should have been done before but has only been a minor part of DC and Marvel. Furthermore, the villains are mostly demonically-possessed civilians rather than more conventional villains, quite unique. And the heroes wield personified primordial concepts of reality; very unique, not at all like most super-heroes. Plus, the villains are often actually challenging; rather than seeing an expert fighter with advanced technology and tons of resources and prep time beating on older, smaller, less-trained, poorer, and less-prepared antagonists, as DC's most popular example. The main pair are constantly dealing with often very unique and unpredictable threats; rather than a repeat roster of the usual suspects doing the same sorts of things repeatedly ad nauseam. Furthermore, the primary protagonist being a local goofy girl and her love interest trying too hard to be perfect but still being a very likable person beyond that is more interesting than a perfect future Queen from an unrealistically idealized place, or a straight-cut-by-the-books farmboy with absurd powers, or a completely overrated mental patient who never loses. So, for me, it is how unique it is. MLB is such its own thing and that is why I like it despite its many flaws. It should remain unique and never try to emulate other franchises.
Honestly, I watched like 3 episodes a few years ago and dropped it because I hate monster of the week stuff, but then I watched the movie this year and it piqued my interest so I gave it another chance and binged 5 seasons. I’m super keen to see how Adrien reacts when he finds out he’s a senti being, and the eventual reveal, but at this point imma be an old woman by the time this show is done! 👵🏻💀😢😮💨
I think it's terrible, but I'm invested--kinda. I was in and out of S5.
It is a mystery that it is better not to know...
I love the secret identity and the reactions when some people find out or learn.
I was a fan of this show since I was a kid but I really REALLY hate it now. I stayed for so many years but I just can't anymore. This show is one of the WORST that exists, and I think it doesn't deserve even the half of the fans that have
It's really simple: the quality is self evident and it's a good show
Right, if it actually sucked as much as people say it would not be successful. Many mistakes are made and much potential goes without being manifested; but that doesn't make it a bad show.
@@ReginaMacKenzie1994 Reading all the comments on the video just makes me think that a lot of people are in an absuive relationship with the show and I just don't get what they like about any particular episode considering the complaints
@@thanatosdriver1938 I only speak for myself, but I can name several episodes I liked: Risk, Strikeback, Frozer, the one with Lila as Hoaxer, etc.
Invest enough time in something, and eventually you'll decide that quitting now will be a waste.
People are literally just wanting to see how bad the show can get. I mean, after they called a terrorist as a hero, im genuinely curious how much worse it could get
Tbf the people who called Gabe a hero didn’t know he was a terrorist
I stuck around for the memes and fanfics 😎🍿
I just want to watch the world burn (technically happened since the old lore says the wish destroy the world)
Even though I haven’t touched the actual show in a little bit, I can say that the reason why it took me so long to stop watching was…that Miraculous, despite it’s flaws, had so much potential. It was pretty unique for its time and the premise was ambitious.
But potential can only go so far when the reality is so disappointing. And I had to realize that in order to break away from the actual show.
But I think for the fandom, it’s the lovesquare. People are stubborn and they wanted to see the Adrienette (and probably the other quadrants) through despite all the reasons not to want them canon. I still to this day believe that the lovesquare single handedly kept people locked in this show. Without it, it probably would have faded into obscurity by now. (I was never too into the lovesquare. And I gave up on it pretty early on in S3. I was more into the action, lord and characters which…fucking tanked-)
Overall, Miraculous is what I’d like to call a sandbox show. The premise (and some lore and character establishment) is good enough to make re-writes and original stories based off of them but when you actually take apart the show objectively, there’s not much there to really appreciate.
the thing about Miraculous is the show has so much miss potential and moments where it makes you stay to wonder why the things that happen happen
they really just forgot Cat Noir existed
I agree, the lore is insanely good and interesting and the love square and the characters, especially the main characters are insanely good and the designs (even the season 6 animation looks pretty good), miraculous ladybug has had me in a chokehold since I was 10, I’m 19 and still in that chokehold and I’m not leaving cuz I’m emotionally attached and obsessed, my mom compared me to a football fanatic, which she’s not wrong cuz I 100% agree with her which makes since cuz I have ADHD so even tho I don’t have a lot of interests and hobbies, the ones I do have I’m obsessed with and emotionally attached to It for life, I started watching the show in the beginning of season 1, at that time the most recent episode at that time was Lady WiFi so I got caught up pretty quick, for specifics I found the show either March or April 2016 when I was in 5th grade cuz I remember I found the show after I moved to Houston (I didnt live there that long tho), I’m glad I found it early, not saying I wouldn’t bringe watch multiple seasons to get caught up but I’m just glad I only had to watch a few episodes to get caught up, I’m not leaving cuz I’m obsessed and also cuz all the good stuff in general about miraculous ladybug, even tho it has its moments (some insanely bad like the season 5 finale), but the good moments is what keeps me and also hoping for the show to improve so that too and it has improved a lot compared to season 1 (season 5 is my favorite season even tho the season 5 finale is the worst finale in miraculous), but the main thing is my obsession to miraculous ladybug, but I swear if it doesn’t end before I die I’m gonna be mad, like at the latest pls end in my 20s or 30s, I think 30s is more realistic so pls end in my 30s just not on a cliffhanger, I just don’t want to die and miraculous not even being done yet
I’m waiting to see Marinette and Adrian end up together
"It's so bad that it's good" is the only way I can describe the show.
I’ve been watching this show since the premiere on Disney, if you’re going to stay for the first few seasons of a show you may aswell stay for the entire thing
Everything changed when Disney came on board as part of the production line-up and then got exclusive rights to air the show. Which was somewhere in the middle of season 3. Then season 4 - 5 was classic Disney slowly killing the creative team with their demands. You can clearly see the before and after Disney eras, reflect the quality of the writing and character development.
I love the miraculous shadybug and clawnoir special,we need a spin off or an episode dedicated to them
Me and my sisters watch it like its drama TV. Its so insane that its good. Keeps you on your toes despite the repeated plots.
I feel like at this point where just looking for someone good. Something that’s not bad cringe, and characters that aren’t stupid and stalkish.
Fair points and opinions, personally I am just curious about what will happen and hope for things to improve.
Seriously ! People here on youtube literally make money hating on miraculous really needed this video !
I'm just here for the fanfics now
The fan content. The show is interesting with interesting ideas but lousy execution but the fans take those ideas and freaking cook
I just watched shady bug and claw noir. Ugh. It’s so good
The fanfiction is very good, even better than the show most of the time
I’m here still for the lore and overall story. I just like superhero shows
I wanna leave the fandom. But. I'm too deep in the hole and can't easily get out. Is it a bad show? Yes, and no.
It is a good show and can be enjoyable. But some choices of the writers can be bad. Leaving Adrien out of the end of the Agreste arc, not letting him be a main character, ruining Chloé's redemption arc! And making Gabriel a sympathetic villain, LAST MINUTE!
So. Miraculous ladybug is like a hole that's once you go too deep. You're stuck.
literally loll
That's the ironic thing about Miraculous Ladybug 🐞, it's objectively bad at the end of the day
Don't forget that the producers had the kahones to have Ladybug and Cat Noir kiss. Twice. And it wasn't plot contrived
These comments are just coping mechanisms to explain the fandoms sunken cost fallacy
So who r u to say that the show is objectively bad ?
It's like a vicious cycle: Fans hate this show more than everything yet they still stay and watch it 'cause they got so invested that they're unable to let go... Personnaly I still love the show despite its many flaws and I just hope things will get better overtime.
I’d say it’s mainly two things. 1. Sunk cost fallacy. Most people are this far in and think they’d lose more if they dipped out than if they had just stuck with it. So they stay. 2. Pathological addiction. This works on the majority of people whether they realize it or not and they’re all feeding it, constantly. Misery loves company. Here’s one little moment, dopamine rush. Three episodes later: here’s another little moment-dopamine rush. Five episodes later. Moment. Dopamine. Hook is in you, you’re addicted and you don’t even realize it. You give every excuse in the book: just one more episode, just a couple more. Next episode takes steps back. Dopamine crash. Now you’re desperate for the hit because you had anticipation and the excuses grow. Just a handful of episodes and you’ll get another dopamine hit, right? No. Well when we get to mid season there will be a dramatic turn and? No. it’ll be better next season and finally go somewhere interesting? The longer you hang on the harder it’s going to be to drop. Remember that ANYTHING can be an addiction- this teenage soap opera isn’t any different.
im here after 8 years because im still waiting for the writing to get good because i know the potential is amazing
At this point I'd say it's morbid curiosity more than anything else. People wondering how this trainwreck will unfold. That, and the fact that many of us have devoted at least eight years of our lives to this show and want SOMETHING for all the time and energy invested into it.
I'm just here for the world building no matter how atrocious a show is I'll stay just to see how everything unfold
My favorite voice actress is in it, Cristina Vee. Miraculous is how I found out about her.
The reason I stay though is because I just want to see the end of the story.
I stayed for Adrien/Cat Noir,Nino,the Kwamis,Luka,Kagami and the Dupain-Cheng family
And the Awakening Movie
“Oh…it’s so cute and so irritating too!”
~ Rose in S5E22
ML is like car crush.Is something horrible but you are amazed of wtf just happend and cant stop looking away.
Okay. Off topic, "Guilty!" killed me! 😂😂😂
There’s a lot of fanservice in miraculous. For every bad episode there’s an episode where the writers give us something we’ve been craving. Like I’ll complain all about season 5’s finale, but the Marichat content that we got during Determination, Passion and Elation was amazing and honestly made me rate the season much higher than it probably deserves. Season 4 was objectively a good season. Season 3 had the really cool Introduction of new hero’s, which kept me hooked. Season 2 awnsered a lot of fan theories and season 1 has nostalgia. Every season of Miraculous has something to offer that kinda makes me forget about how bad the show gets.
For myself i have mostly given up on this show. Season 4 just killed any enjoyment i gey from the show. But i have a lot of interest in the movie, while i wasnt really into it being a musical i loved how they did the characters and it honestly made more since then the show
I think i stick around mostly cause i think there is a lot of potential with the concept of Miraculous. Like the idea behind it is interesting and i think that the show could be amazing but it fails to actually fulfill that potential or do much with its characters and will make characters act a certain way that feels Out of Character for said character to make a plot work. Its something that i see in fanfic often where they need a character to be a certain way to fit the plot rather fit the plot to the character and it feels disappointing but you stick with it as other then that it is interesting and the concept is just that good.
I will also say that i was sticking it out with Miraculous as i really was drawn in by the Agreste family drama but now that thats resolved im not sure if there is much more to keep me in the fandom especially with how anti-climatic it was in the end.
Honestly my favorite thing about the Miraculous fandom is basically all the fans agree that the show is kinda shit, but we all still like it. its like watching a dumpster fire but damn if you can't look away from it and just chat about the whole thing with others also watching
It’s a train wreck, but I can’t look away
i keep watching for
1.akumatized villains every time ep is revealed or trailer i try to figure out what villain is from victim identity, what akumatized object is, what their power is, and starting from season 4 magical charms
2.miraculous who holder going to be and what jewel power will be
3.seeing lila getting comeuppance and it to stick
4.watch it for so long that i'm willing to look pass some issue from show
Sort of off-topic, but I notice some similarities between Adrien and Drizzt Do'Urden (a dark elf hero of a very terribly written fantasy series): both are the only objectively good people from their families, both decide to become heroes, both are treated as sex objects and nothing else by most women despite their many talents, etc. Even the people in their origin tales are similar: Gabriel is analogous to Matron Malice (both are tyrants, Malice is Drizzt's mother), Emilie is analogous to Zaknafein (Drizzt's father was the only one in the family he ever really loved, much like Adrien and his mother), Chloe is basically like all three of Drizzt's sisters in one (Briza, Maya, and Vierna), Felix has similarities to Dinin (Drizzt's brother), and Natalie was the biggest supporter and most loyal confidante of someone who ultimately caused her death much like Patron Rissyn.
I would say that in some way Miraculous is so good it's bad and at the same time so bad it's good if that makes sense.
I started watching the show for its hilariousness and plot which over time deteriorated when they seem to focus more on just the Love Square and Battles than plot and character development but I've stuck around for it.
I'll admit I was ready to quit watching the show when the romantic factor between Marinette and Adrien was getting too much and became all the episodes ever focused on besides the battles and not development in plot which led to a lot of continuity errors in plot and some annoying twists that made no sense.
However, the show still had some of its humor and I have been very curious to see how far it goes with the secret identities thing and the villain's comeuppance.
Honestly, in regards to Miraculous, I'd say the Movie told in Jeremy Zag's perspective handled all the plot factors nicely especially with the final battle between Adrien and Gabriel which should've happened in the show but didn't and the identity reveal.
So in a way my biggest curiosities were solved but I still want to see where this goes with the show's plot even though I know there will be MANY times it will annoy me with how its plot is handled but I love it either way.
I'd also say that Fanfiction and Fanart is one of the factors that still keeps me hooked on the show as I love the creativity in fans as they reimagine and retell the show in amazing ways that has me going back to the show to wonder how it could have been if it happened that way.
Although, I wouldn't exactly turn to Miraculous as a way to teach kids about curbing toxic traits as they didn't quite confront Marinette's stalking tendencies to stop it but rather gave an excuse to justify it or rather the factor of questionable trust in friends who, even if they've known for so long, somehow fall for the stupidest lies to ever be spoken against you that can easily be debunked but they still believe it and never truly apologize for that.
Anyways, Miraculous is both good and bad in its own way and the curiosity of seeing how far the plot will go is what has me sticking around now.
Lila is the only reason why I will still watch the show. I hate Marinette and I want to see how she will face consequences and Lila is the only hope here.
If they upgrade her, Lila has the potential to be archnemesis material. They had better not disappoint here, because this is a chance to really get a fresh start and renew interest and faith.
Sorry but she never face consequences.
Lila is as much a Mary sue as marinette, she could say anything and everybody believes her even when the things she says are absurd
@@zombie5591 Lila faced consequences. Marinette never did.
@@Icy-be5vl not realy she got exposed for one lie, after that she still was a Mary sue, just look at the Finale, she somehow got into Gabriels hideout without elevator and got his miraculous which was somewhere in the water(which she couldnt even have known). And she also did all did while ladybug should also be there searching for the miraculous.
Sometimes the relationship between Miraculous and its fanbase feels like an abusive one.
Give development to the characters who had no story arc, some of the best arcs come from Anime
Lol so true about the ships. I’m guilty. Really enjoyed Marichat! lol
Only for Adrien ❤
What a funny day to get such a video recommended. I was literally contemplating on why I'm still a fan. I really have absolutely no clue why I'm even here. The first reason I stayed was I was a Lukanette and Adrigami shipper (sorry 💀) then I stayed after Season 3 was because of the Miraculous Ladybug Anime Alternate Universe I was creating.... However now after the Season 5 Finale I'm not sure anymore. The finale completely shattered my AU since I was looking forward to the ending as my AU was pretty dependent on the original series. Should I even continue my AU like... Why is a random animated series for children giving me existential crisis😭
I already gave up on Miraculous honestly, i only watch this channel's reviews to see how the series's going nowadays.
Genuinely at this point I have no answer why I still bother
I like it because it’s funny and cool plot twists
I don't even watch Miraculous (tried to once, couldn't really get into it;maybe I'll try and pick it up again someday), and this video was just like _a balm to my soul._ 😁😂.
I only stayed for the kwami lore,then it went with teenage romance then I stopped caring 🤷♀️
I stay because it isn't really bad but there was potential for it to be so much better. If it wasn't for a certain man child, it would've been so much more!
People keep tuning in to have reference for the fanworks that take the canon material and do it better. That's more or less it lol
yes
I love the show but the only thing I hate about the show is that they made a 14 years old girl into a stalker. Marinette deserves better. She is my favourite character.
This is nonsense. Marinette is not a stalker. I advise you to look up the definition of a stalker.
@@maximilianschussler8126she is one before they toned her character down in s4 and 5. She literally broke in Adrien house and traveled to a different state/country to follow him. Her back story was an explanation but it is just said. Even Mari stan like myself and many others know marinette was a stalker in the show.
Hey at least the writers toned her down in S4 and 5. Where she learned from her mistakes and she stopped stalking adrien. And finally they are together now.
@@IceyWolftb I seriously believe you don't know what a stalker actually is. Please look up the definition and criteria of "stalking" and compare both to Marinette's actions. She has never been a stalker in the entire show (being obsessed doesn't have to be connected with stalking). She "trespassed" into Adrien's room; "breaking into" is a different criminal offense. However, both terms ain't considered stalking. Travelling to another state or country at the same time as your friend or crush does is completely legal and not stalking either. Most of the fandom wrongfully think that Marinette would be a stalker, but since neither the official definition nor any points of the criteria of the crime of stalking are matching with any of her actions or her behaviour, she simply can't be a stalker. It's not like stalking would be an opinion. And I'm not saying any of this because I'm trying "defend" or "protect" Marinette or her actions. I'm just trying to explain that the term "stalking" ain't appropriate to describe her behaviour.
She’s not a stalker…but she’s still a creep. There’s more to say about her being a terrible partner to Chat as Ladybug though.