Norm: The Disillusioned Autist (Fallout Season 1)
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Hey everyone, it's Lindsay from your favorite Fallout channel that you’ve totally subscribed to! Right? Right? Anakin? 😂
This is the long-awaited Norm video. A lot of people relate to Norm, and for good reason. I’m unabashedly projecting my autistic qualities onto him because I do what I want. Because I’m autistic.
In this video, I talk about how Norm's experiences mirror real-life struggles with autism, privilege, and finding your place in a society that’s not built for you. I explore the nuances of his character and how he’s shaped by his environment, touching on everything from his interactions with his family to his journey throughout the vault trinity. This isn’t just a breakdown of his character; it’s a look into how the themes of Fallout connect to the real world, especially for those of us on the spectrum.
If you're curious about autism, enjoy character deep dives, or just love Fallout, check it out! I get pretty candid about my own autistic experience and how it shapes my perspective. And if you’re new here, hit that subscribe button for more deep dives and rants.
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Hi Lindsay. Thank you. I'm a privileged old, straight, white, male (5 strikes against me right there for some), who has led a life of wondering why I don't seem to fit in. The way you've combined the topics of Fallout and autism in this video, has had me spellbound. Your explanation of the way that autistic people interact with others, kept ticking all the boxes. When you said autistics are canaries in coal mines, I yelled 'yes' at my screen. I have called myself that, unable to articulate why I can tell that things don't add up yet others seem oblivious, and even worse, just don't seem to care. I was immediately drawn to Norm as a character in the series, that affiliation probably due to seeing so much of myself in it. I've been going back-and-forth about the worth of trying to get a diagnosis - like I need another label - I've seen how those are abused - versus the benefit of knowing one way or another. I think this video has shown me - there is a realistic probability that I am Norm - undiagnosed, trapped in a society that doesn't understand me. I really appreciate the effort you put into your videos. Thanks again.
THIS COMMENT BLEW MY MIND! Thank you soooooo much for sharing. Sometimes I can really get up my own ass feeling like I'm just spinning my wheels and not really doing anything, thanks for the bitch-slap of love. 😂😂
Also, curious, how did my use describing it as a "tool" work for you? I was thinking about exactly what you said - a lot of autistic people are seeing how tribalism is destroying society, so the last thing they want is a label. So I wanted to make sure I framed it as a tool instead for that exact reason because it's a valid concern.
@@lindsaysfallout You are definitely adding value to the world. Even if your videos were "just" Fallout videos, they're high-quality and worthwhile. When you add your unique perspective, they are stellar. I found the use of the tool analogy pretty good - to focus on how diagnosis provides a way to engage with the world, a mental tool to apply to daily life. Sure, there are better plumbers out there - but if you've got water all over your floor - you're the plumber on duty!
@@TheK5K awww shucks!
I've been going through this myself as an adult woman. Being undiagnosed and having the realization as an adult why... It's mind blowing. Hugs from me to you
Apple trees don't grow in vaults. Jello is shelf stable and made of bone meal. The dead are recycled in vaults. This is recurring symbolism. Lucy is holding an apple in her flashbacks and Maximus demands and apple from Thaddeus. While on the subject, Betty claims to have buried Norm's mother's PipBoy with her. They don't bury their dead and they don't waste technology.
I wondered about the jelly mould symbolism - the bone meal angle - that's so Fallout. Yeah, yummy yummy Jello - tastes just like Mom used to make...or just like Mom.
@@TheK5K the apple is great too. It reminds me of The Apple of Discord and the Garden of Eden. It is temptation and also the prize that goes only to the most worthy. Lucy holding the apple is perfect because she's an innocent fool, and the presence of apple trees in Shady Sands as well as their absence in the wasteland symbolizes cooperative civilization being a return to Eden which was again destroyed by the sin of the unworthy.
Why do people prefer Jello to Apple pie? They don't know any better, and as a result they don't demand better.
There very much are Vault biodomes, certainly in some atleast
If they have crops growing trees isnt that much of a stretch.
@@xqzqcv7950 just like dogs, there is no room for trees in a vault. They're an unnecessary drain on resources.
@@TrismegistusMxThere is definitely dogs in a few Vaults, thats were purebreds that still exist in canon will likely have come from. Like Belgian Malinoises
And the ones that did experiments on animals, dogs would be involved there
Hydropods, hydrodomes etc trees in general will eventually more than make up for the space they take in what they produce.
The food and the wood, which can be used for tools etc
Eventually it wont be a drain but a surplus
My bet.....Betty poisoned the raiders. She is prewar, they aren't even human to her.
Yeah to your point, i really liked how they amplified how "uncivilized" raiders are in the show, to play into that "less than human" perception. I mean let's face it, that's the role raiders play in the games too - the people we feel less bad for killing because they aren't "one of us." I love how they keep us aware of these things.
@@lindsaysfallout you rock, thanks for expressing your views!
I don’t normally comment on videos but I know it helps the algorithm so I’m being brave here and telling you your videos and channel are amazing, I’m glad I found them!
@@ThaddeusKE I really appreciate that and I hear you, sometimes I just wanna “say something to communicate encouragement” 😂
@@lindsaysfallout yes exactly lol, I can never seem to find the right words though
i love you as mr house!! it looks so good. the AI images make me pretty sad though, would rather real royalty free images
@@rabbitcrime4086 AI is an extremely complicated issue and really simple judgmental comments do more harm than good. For corporations it may be a way to screw over small artists but for small artists like myself it’s a lifeline to make independent living possible and I don’t appreciate being judged on the same scale as organizations who have significantly more resources.
EDIT: If you watched my Privilege Ignorance video you may recall a part when I pointed out how arrogant Lucy looks worrying about intellectual property when talking to a person is trying like hell to just basically survive. I can't afford to take anti-AI rhetoric seriously because I need it to eat. And if you don't believe I actually need it to eat, and that using royalty free images to do what I do would be just as easy, you don't have a clear enough picture of what I do and what I'm up against to contribute any input worth my consideration.
I plan to make a video on my main channel about this that I intend on being my final declaration of self-defense on the matter.
I was going to say the same thing about Lindsay as Mr. House.
if you want to be religious, go to church.
Anti Ai-art is supporting artists the way you think. Those vocal minorities arent artist, they are capitalists and business people who gatekeep.
Art comes from inside the heart and soul, and anyone who thinks otherwise is honestly(in the nicest way possible of saying this) braindead.
if you see it, get angry, or have some moral grand-standing on what would be better.... you are a bad horrible hateful bigot and gatekeeper. and im tired of people pretending they care about art when its just trying to control "their" community and their sense of ego. Those "artists" you hear complain about AI are a very vocal MINORITY.
i know human nature is lame, and history love to repeat itself, but lets skip the witch burning for once please.
@@lindsaysfalloutThis response is really confusing, I look forward to this video, as I can’t really comprehend the difference between AI generated art and using stock photos making a sizable difference for your needs, but I’m just as open to learning new things and reaching new understandings.
@20:34 Fist in the air moment! I've never heard anybody express this perspective this clearly and publically. It's very similar to my own concept of self. Thank you for the representation!
Co-verseers is *very* satsifying :)
Norm uses his small frame to squeeze into places he shouldn't be.
Your very insightful explanations of the autistic experience in specific contexts have actually given me the push I need to get a formal evaluation. I am a 52-year-old woman, but I'm tired of feeling like a stranger in a strange land in my own life without knowing why.
Also, I love Fallout and your videos. ❤
Your videos are so unexpectedly funny. Twice in less than five minutes I’ve belly laughed. Well researched and created regardless, the humor is an unexpected bonus.
wowza you could not have slid into my algorithm at a better time - good to know I'm not the only one! Special interest in people and society, and fallout, comin' right up
@@existencehurts94 Hi! Welcome aboard! *waves*
Loved Norm! Hope we get to see him back in season 2!
Norm does not uphold the norm 😂
I’ll see myself out now 😅
Thanks for breaking through my tortured genius attitude. It was small but it was there. We all have to live on this floating rock together and values aren’t real outside of the living’s social interpretations.
Neurotypical values aren’t always my own, some of their motivations escape me. It may set my nervous on fire when my injustice sensitivity is activated. (Just as I set theirs on fire when I question a social role or attitude they enjoy)
But ego can blind you, no matter which side your on. It paves the way for hate and aggression and leaves you open to manipulation
@@nicknack-snack2 I love this. It really means a lot to me that you trusted me enough let me break through. I know how that ego defense feels so I know it wasn’t easy. Others may not get it but I know for some of us it truly takes guts to admit we’re not impervious geniuses 😂
Excellent analysis! It completely escaped me that Norm was likely being setup the whole time! I caught all of Betty’s ominous expressions but wasn’t sure of the significance other than showing that she was suspicious and up to no good lol.
I also really appreciate you sharing all of your knowledge on autism. Even though I don’t have an official diagnosis, I feel like you’ve helped me understand myself better. 💕
Needs more train references
@@soupxv213 this made me literally lol 😂 here have a train 🚂
I’ve had some suspicion for a while that I may be autistic. I’ve lived my whole life (38 years) feeling very other. I often explain to my family and friends that I sometimes feel like an alien, studying society like an anthropologist or animal behavioralist. I feel like Jane Goodall. I love humans. I want to understand their behaviors and I try to respect them and participate. But at the end of the day I am not one of them and I know this.
Watching this has me feeling seen. You even said the words feeling alien. I intend to bring this up with the doctor soon. But I felt like it’s worth sharing.
I’ve enjoyed your video essays!
Just found your channel and its really for me. My special interests are Fallout and Autism too. I'm 40 , now in the diagnosis process
@@fdfrancisdaniele yay! I think Fallout has a strong draw for a lot of us folks of the spectrum because of how personalized/autonomous it is.
If you're not sure if you're on the spectrum, look up Wired's AQ test. It changed my life.
Thanks, I ran through this last night - I have a score worth following up!
Thank you Lindsay.
This description of the neurodivergent experience describes my brain better than I ever could 😯
Thanks! I’m always working on trying to explain it better! ❤
Hello Lindsay, I mostly wanted to send some good wishes and encouragement as a disabled and autistic man I feel your really on point with this analysis so yeah I felt very seen watching this and will be checking out your other vids
@@Applejuice42 thank you that really means a lot to me! ❤️
Such a great video!!
While watching the show, my brain immediately went to "it's not that deep" mode when seeing Betty's reactions to Norm. Seeing your perspective on how that can all be signs of manipulation fucking blew my mind.
I have ADHD predominantly inattentive type; the psych told me there are overlapping symptoms. But holy hell I'm starting to think it might be more than overlapping symptoms.
awesome channel and work by the way.
Only 5 minutes in, your thesis is fire. I already agreed even without having gotten to all the details that I am delighted to get to. Norm is an adorable character. He is kind of pathetic, and I love him for it. I don't know why, I just think he's great. Potentially in part because I am autistic and very disillusioned with modern society.
Also, I think that disclaimers are cool. I think it's really cool to acknowledge that you're also selling autistic help stuff on the side. Frankly it's really cool how that is admitted without being turned into an ad. I think that's why a lot of people get upset with that kind of stuff, I think it's because people feel like it's a back door ad that they were tricked into watching.
@@hopefulbadger2160 omg this comment made my night, thank you. I was really working at trying to hit a really nuanced tone, and it sounds like you’re taking everything exactly as I intended it. It’s a relief! I’m an absolute nutter butter about being understood, thanks for so explicitly confirming that I was 😂
@@lindsaysfalloutyeah you nailed it! The video as a whole was awesome and I'm excited to watch the new one you dropped recently?
HOLY SHIT I had a feeling I was going to enjoy this video, but the early take of Norm being a performance by a person of colour embodying (undiagnosed, neurodivergent) white male disillusionment is just...>*chef's kiss*<
(NB I am a white, raised-male/non-binary, late-diagnosed autistic in my late 30s, I was a teenage edgelord - thankfully not full-on fascy but there were close calls - I see these pitfalls around so many of my peers and kids still growing up like I did)
another really great video. i just want to say that i love Chet. he just want a simple life. hes not going to get one.
Very good video! this is a great explanation of alot of things, thank you for putting this out into the world! ALSO this make me so excited for more, I cannot wait until you get into Maximus's story!!
The Ms. House graphic is absolutely slaying me
@@Eighthplanetglass thank you! It’s a playable mod too, I may upload it to the nexus eventually
Lol I did the "dun dun dun!" Onomatopoeia at the same time.
woa, perfectly in time for my dinner after an overstimulating day at work
I'm living the fallout show videos, do you have any thoughts on Maximus? I personally found him very autistic (traumatized/propagandized too ofc) and have been missing your analysis on my favorite character of the show
Awesome. I just randomly check if I'd missed anything on your channel yeserday haha.
Great video asswell as you're whole channel keep up the great content ❤❤❤
YES
Love this as an autistic trans nb person and only thing that would've made my socks roll up and down more would be some of my special interest (historical materialism in analyzing the political economy of, say, the coverseers and power dynamics ^_^)
@@quantumevent ha! Would be a great topic but probably beyond my pay grade 😆
What! I thought I would have to wait longer for this! Ahhh! I'm so excited, Lindsay!! Thank you! (I shall edit this comment when I finish watching the whole thing hahaha)
Edit: One of my favorite storylines in the series was the vault stuff with Norm - that's why I was so excited for your take on it. But I would have never read into all the things you brought up in this video. It makes me wonder if we watched the same thing? Your media literacy is on a level I want to be on. Hahahaha! But really, it makes a lot of sense. I always felt that I was missing something in my read of his character because yeah, he's smart, but his hyper-fixation was something else. I mean, it was fun rooting for him to get to the truth but there was really something I couldn't quite put my finger on. He's autistic. Of course! But at the same time, it made me sad to learn, too. With that new lens, you can really see how most people in his life have mistreated him. Plus, I never considered that he was being manipulated into killing the raiders or marching himself into Vault 31. It makes me have more sympathy for Norm. But beyond Norm, your video really sheds a beautiful light on the autistic community. It helped me understand the community's struggles on a day-to-day and made me consider how I can show up better as a friend, family member, coworker. I hope your video reaches the intended audience because it's an important message to hear: You are all braver than I could ever hope to be.
Thanks so much for working on this before taking your break! I also understand how it feels to have something weighing on your mind and itching to get it out. I hope this project was as fulfilling for you as it was fun for us! You listing your next video ideas is so exciting! But please take your time for the next one. I hope you don't feel any pressure because we'll always be ready to hear what you have to say, any time you're ready. Take care, Lindsay! 🥰
@@belle132 looking forward to it! 😆
@@lindsaysfallout I tried to not be so yappy this time. How'd I do? Hahaha
Enjoyed the video. I was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome in 1994 and it's funny how much I don't think about that or my autistic behaviors on a daily basis. I enjoyed your oversharing about the cry before the recording session; oversharing being another autistic trait that you seem to have skipped over in the video. I would enjoy a breakdown video on Mr House because, and I think I'm going to offend you now, I have never played New Vegas.
I use Wondershare Filmora for all of my editing needs and I like it other than the fact that it only seems to render videos in 1080p and I'm not 100% sure why. Since most of the footage I get off my dashcam is only recorded in 1200, I haven't felt the need to upgrade.
@@nikkihavers6432 Thank you! This comment is awesome. I love how comprehensive it was, very autistic 😂 I wonder if at some point in this comment thread I could respond to another autistic with just “bleep bloop” and see if they just “bleep bloop” back and we can freak everyone out wondering if we’re having an actual conversation 😂
It's funny you say that, I had an experience several years ago where I sat down with a "non-verbal" child and played. We had an entire conversation for about an hour while we shared some toys and neither of us uttered a single sound.
@@nikkihavers6432 isn’t that the best? There’s something special about winning a kid’s trust without having to talk to them 😂 I used to do that kind of work, I probably never will again, but I’m glad I’ve had the experience
Norm Everblunt... I think I found the name for my next DnD character
Wow, subscribing to you was SUCH a good choice
@@pterodummy aww thank you!
Never in my life I've been so early D:
FYI I volunteer at an organization that teaches kids with autism and other mental illnesses how to ride horses as part of their therapy. I help out in their lesson. I just wanted to say.
@@homerj806 that’s awesome!! Autistic people love horses, it’s a thing for sure! A friend of mine is really involved in the world of horses out here in Portland and I could totally reach out at any point, but there’s always 1 million things to do but maybe I could use some horse friends 😂
This was an awesome video and I kind of hope you do a video about the queer reading of the relationship between Moldaver and Lucy's mom (who I sadly can't remember the name of)
@@Snakepit_Media Cool! I’ll roll that around the ol’ noggin. So funny that people talk about Moldaver and Rose as a queer “reading” and the like, when from my view they explicitly told us the two were lovers. I mean, I don’t mean that exactly literally, but the implication wasn’t ambiguous. But maybe that’s just coming from me because I’m an autistic lesbian who studied film subtext 😂
@@lindsaysfallout tbh I immediately saw the "they were lovers" hints but a lot of people I've noticed have taken the implications to be ambiguous, or entirely as a friendship, which is totally ok mind you, but I'd like to just see more fans of the fallout series talking more about it.
@@Snakepit_Media well between autism, fallout, and lesbians we pretty much cross my favorite topics!
@@lindsaysfallout lmao same!
@@Snakepit_Media you’re in luck, there will be a short on the topic in the upcoming week 😂 💅
This really interesting analysis.
Hey now, I'm a privileged white NONBINARY (AMAB) who gravitates to contentious online arguments and I already KNOW I'm autistic, lol
Maybe more privilege 😅
As a parent of two autistic kids who was told for years by "experts" that his children weren't autistic, preach on, dude. Please keep spreading knowledge. Thanks.
lol..."Wasteland Chad" 🤣🤣🤣
Ouch I may be autistic oh well ain't changing my day😂
As a GWM with AuDHD, I identify too much with your narrative.
People maintaining a several hundred year infrastructure without manufacturing don't bury PIPBoys...
"the autism demands it" made me lol-sob. A happy lol-sob though, I think. ;)
@@domongart9331 I’m glad! I thought that turned out so funny too!
Algorithm delivered me here. I'm only 15 minutes in but I've already subbed because I'm AuDHD and three of my special interests are neuropsych, philosophy, and fallout.
Also, not male but masc anyway (NB/afab), white, with a past flirtation with the far right to the point of cringe humor and bad takes (and now a far left libsoc because thats what makes sense to me [we have robots and enough food, money, housing for all. Why is anyone going without and working hard for not nearly enough money?])
@@rdarkstorm8414 Masc AFAB high five! 🖐️ Also, friggin exactly. We have all the resources, there’s no reason people should have to break their backs like this anymore… I could go on and on. That’s why I have multiple RUclips channels 😂
Made it to the end and I have a spicy take: Caesar is also autistic, and he never got off of 4chan. Probably specifically /pol/.
Also this was an excellent video and I'd probably be interested in subbing to your other channels. RUclips makes that difficult on mobile for no reason
One thing I disagree with you about is your assessment of labels
Both in the sense that labels like Democrat and Republican help me personally understand where to categorize a person I'm speaking or listening to, but also in that they help us narrow down ideas and groups to more accurately understand what is and is not being criticized
"Progressives" is a WAAAAY huge label, that includes anyone from what could be called the center, all the way to the far left.
Labels also allow us to determine ideology, and at least in my personal opinion, the scenes you mentioned to me is more of a critique of Neo Liberal ideology, not "progressives" seeing as Neo Liberalism is not at all what could be called a "Progressive" ideology.
Well considering how emotionally attached people are to their labels, you can see how I was kind of in a bind here. You appear to have a really firm idea that there are "correct" and "incorrect" words to use in this context, but it's a lot more like there are a bunch of different words and labels that hit a bunch of different people a bunch of different ways, so when someone like me is in front of a microphone presenting to the general public, I have to not only balance what's true and not true, but also balance what terminology I'm expecting my audience to be familiar with. From that standpoint, picking a really general word (or as you put it a WAAAAY huge label) was really my best shot at getting the point across. Even if the people watching this video don't call that group "progressive," hopefully they get what group I'm talking about, and I'll let them swap out the word in their own mind to their liking.
So yeah, you're not wrong if you disagree with me, but if you think there was one way for me to be "correct" here, that's where I disagree with you.
I started this video just because it's about the Fallout TV show, and I've enjoyed your other videos on the subject. I'm a straight white male nearing 40, and for the past year or so I've been wondering about the possibility of being autistic.
I've learned that it's not like how it's portrayed in movies and TV. I'm still not sure if I am autistic or not since some of the characteristics you describe here also describe me, but others don't. For example, two of the typical symptoms I've always heard about, not making eye contact and not understanding sarcasm, don't apply to me at all. I understand the eye contact thing doesn't necessarily apply to everyone, but what about the difficulty with sarcasm?
When you say you take the progressive side of most issues despite taking issues individually, I think this is because each side of an issue comes from either the progressive or conservative axiom, and you follow the rational conclusion of that progressive axiom. So really the rational side of any issue is determined by what fundamental axiom you accept as true. It would honestly be irrational to be evenly progressive in some ways and conservative in others (I say this as somebody who mostly leans conservative)
@@rhysjones8105 I hope I remember to look up this framing later, looks interesting!
Lol, you haven't offended me once. Then again, I spent 30 years on the road so not a whole lot of things actually offend me anymore
I❤U
@@gabrielgeorge5900 you too! ❤️
Ceci n'est pas une autism.
The more of your videos I watch the more I wonder if I’m neurodivergent as well as traumatized. I was diagnosed with PTSD during chemotherapy. When I was a kid I was diagnosed with major depressive disorder. What if that diagnosis hid what was really going on? Huh, time to go back to the psychologist.
@@sanctuary6689 technically PTSD is respected as a form of neurodivergence. So welcome aboard 😆
I’ve had some suspicion for a while that I may be autistic. I’ve lived my whole life (38 years) feeling very other. I often explain to my family and friends that I sometimes feel like an alien, studying society like an anthropologist or animal behavioralist. I feel like Jane Goodall. I love humans. I want to understand their behaviors and I try to respect them and participate. But at the end of the day I am not one of them and I know this.
Watching this has me feeling seen. You even said the words feeling alien. I intend to bring this up with the doctor soon. But I felt like it’s worth sharing.
I’ve enjoyed your video essays!