"You know what Staun? I think i dodged the bullet on this one after all. I hope she treats you as well as she's treated me. Peace out" -Spock basically
The cut that went deeper than any lirpa blade could ever go. Imagine this lady is telling him to his face that she would keep her lover; that he would be sleeping in Spock's bed, eating his food, and balling his wife while Spock would be somewhere in space. When would Spock finally snap and go crazy knowing all this? He did right by freeing her.
He actually did TWO of them. When T'Pau says, "Live Long and Prosper, Spock." He says, "I shall do neither!" THAT was NOT the customary reply to the farewell greeting!
Like most people, I’ve been through both of these scenarios, and neither is something I ever want to go through again. But yeah, if I had to choose one, then I would go with Denny Crane’s pick.
I swore that I would love you to the end of time! So now I'm praying for the end of time To hurry up and arrive 'Cause if I gotta spend another minute with you I don't think that I can really survive I'll never break my promise or forget my vow But God only knows what I can do right now I'm praying for the end of time It's all that I can do Praying for the end of time, So I can end my time with you Meatloaf
Frankly, T'Pring is one manipulative woman. Why couldn't she have simply said...hey Spock...yeah you know that thing where we were 5 yrs old and mind-link committed to marry each other? Yeah...I'm not feeling that anymore...cuz you're this famous Vulcan who joined Star Fleet and I'm not into being your keep the home fires burning broad. Nah...instead she pitted Spock against his OWN captain and his best friend...in FIGHT TO THE DEATH. So either Kirk dies or Spock dies. Spock went easy on her with that burn.
I thought of my beloved wife when I watched this segment. We spent 56 years together before I lost her to cancer last year. In my case, the wanting never stopped and the having was my life's blessing. Still can't believe she's gone.
“But he did not understand the price. Mortals never do. They only see the prize, their heart's desire, their dream... But the price of getting what you want, is getting what you once wanted.” - Neil Gaiman
"Having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting" is indeed logical. When your desire defines your expectations of a woman, you set yourself up for disappointment. The real woman will always be different from your fantasy idea of that woman.
I never really noticed this before , but this was some really good acting by Nimoy. He put on the stern stoic expression while tilting his head ever so slightly. It sounds trivial and easy to do, but it’s not. Seriously, it’s very subtle acting done extremely well.
Taking a woman from another man is a hallow victory. For if she was willing to go to such great lengths to switch, it means shes willing to do it again, once she gets bored of you.
Wise words. The same goes for a woman with emotional problems. When she enters a phase of instability and leaves you because of it, then it's likely she will leave you again, unless she solves the problem. And especially when you love that woman dearly, such a relationship will wear you down.
"Having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting." Spock's observations about emotion had such insight. This was perhaps the most enlightening expression ever spoken in any Star Trek episode. And yet, so logical.
I have referred to these lines in my life a few times...They are so true..Theodore Sturgeon, the great Sci -Fi author who penned this episode was spot on in his script.
Awesome acting here from all involved. You completely suspend your disbelief - these are aliens with an alien culture on an alien world. No cgi, minimal makeup. Just acting. Great stuff.
I've always thought that despite this series taking place in the 60s, these old school simple sets and makeup still make me believe that this is a feasible future. Star Trek TOS frankly holds up better than a lot of sci-fi in the subsequent decades.
Growing up with the Original series has been, quite literally, one of the guiding forces throughout my entire life. It has certainly helped me cope with all the evil that humanity is capable of, especially today's. I can honestly say, at 60 years of age, that I am glad that we, as a species, only live for a few, short decades. Living longer than that, would, in my opinion, drive any rational mind insane. Humanity is not designed for greatness....just a few small glimpses of it. We, unfortunately, will not "Live Long and Prosper"....We are not designed for it.
We are capable of much, Good or ill. I only wish that infighting and subversion were not such dominant traits as compared to “live and let live” or mutual cooperation for pragmatic reasons. Still, in our own ways we live, we strive, we prosper.
@@IRMentat ...when I was younger, I would see older people, in parks, at the mall and at other gatherings. They were just looking, watching. Most times they didn't look happy. Then, I thought it was because they were jealous of our youth. I think I know better now. Star Trek gave me hope, which I'm grateful for, that we could and would achieve great things. That we would evolve beyond what we were then. Unfortunately, today, I believe otherwise. The years may change, our knowledge of things may change, but, humanity is and will continue to be the same. We are, after all, basically animals. We are so easily prompted into letting go of civilized behavior. And the humans who so easily are willing to use our basic instincts against us. I don't believe that if a person was frozen and brought back to life, even after just 50 years, would be able to survive. I believe that the shock of what has transpired during that time would be to much to assimilate and adjust to. For me, Star Trek has become too much of a reminder of what we are not, and will not be. I now also understand why it seems as if so many old people seem to be living in their own little worlds...and get angry when reality intrudes. For me, I go to work, work hard and come home and, with dinner, watch what, in the end, is just a really great, positive fantasy about humanity...if it wasn't humanity. I know I should have kept these thoughts to myself. It's possible some young person could read them and trash any illusions they may have about the future. But, there is always the possibility that I could be wrong....I am humanity. Thanks for your thoughts. 🖖🙂
You have it exactly.... backwards. We ARE, in fact, designed for it. We are a spirit, we have a soul, and we live in a body. When we die, our spirit remains. At the return of Jesus, we will all be resurrected in bodily form once again. Those who have a relationship with Him in this world, will exist in Heaven for eternity. Those without a relationship with Him will exist in Hell for eternity. But we will live long. Whether we prosper or not is determined by where we go, which is determined by what we chose in this life.
My favorite scene next to Spock breaking down for a moment when he saw Kirk was still alive. It's funny how his Vulcan logic applies even today in everyday desire. R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy...you are truly missed.
I never thought about how T'Pring's whole speech is really just a long-winded way of sying "I don't want to marry you. You're not here, and I don't want to go with you to your ship."
Try reading the book Spock's World. It ties into this ending gloriously, and leaves Spock in one scene not even able to finish a sentence due to disgust.
She did not want to be the consort of a "legend". Translation: SHE wears the pants in her family. She wanted Stonn because she knew she could control Stonn.
Spock: Humans have a proverb: "One can not have their cake and eat it too." T'pring: That is illogical. Why should one invest in a cake, to not eat it? Bones: *whispers. Looks like someone left the cake out in the rain Jim. Kirk: Hush Bones! Spock: It does not rain on Vulcan, Doctor. The cake will stay here, uneaten as a symbol of boastfulness and wealth. It is wanting but not having. Tpring: You dare compare me to a cake? Spock: A confection of no nutritional value. A thing of beauty but little intrinsic worth. Tpring: That is not logical - you are not logical. I shall bring forth many small cakes in your image. Every seven years. Am I not worth the investment? Spock: In your case Tpring you are not. Tpring: Ooh! Your statement is not logical. I am beautiful, logical, wealthy, intelligent, titled and fertile. Spock: But not friendly. Tpring: But how illogical! How disgustingly --human. Spock: Friendship among all things keeps us alive. Otherwise, we merely exist. We become amoebas. Tpring: Now you call me .an amoeba! First a cake and then an amoeba. You have forgotten what it means to be a Vulcan, Spock. Spock: That is something I have never been allowed to forget, Tpring. Tpring: Then go. Leave us amoebas to our cakes. You are most illogical. Spock: For this I thank you. Live long and prosper. Tpring: Fuck off. *stomps off. Spock: Fascinating. Kirk: Hey hey hey Spock, go after her! She's a knockout. What a woman! Spock: Captain. Jim... please do not get involved. I know who and what it is that I désire. And it is not Tpring Kirk: You? You desire? How human. Spock: No Captain. It is quite Vulcan. The seven year itch has been in our blood for 70,000 years. It is logical and orderly. You humans would copulate every day if you could. Kirk: Indeed we would. Oh come on Spock, let's go home. You need a good Kringolian corlymphatic full body massage. Bones: And a bowl of hot plomeck soup. Spock: With friends like you, who needs Amok Time?
High five to Spock for slaying this right to this chick's face without even moving a muscle on his face. Not even his eyebrows for what he is known for
Really lost in a lot of people's memories is the difficult decision Kirk made to violate a direct order in order to save Spock. In later iterations the chain of command is so diluted that disobeying orders is nothing big, but in TOS it was a strict military chain. Kirk only violated orders twice here and once in the movies then for that to all backfire? Great writing indeed
Yep. A great episode that expanded what we know about Spock and Vulcan. And it did it with a twist about Vulcan mating habits that we all take for granted now as part of Trek canon.
Mister Spock speaks the truth. Indeed it is not logical that having will not always satisfy the want of something. After learning this, I found that I question what I want a lot more. Often, I simply deny myself a want because I come to conclude that having what I want will likely not give me satisfaction.
@@Stogie2112 Yep, Kirk would not want any wife. He tried that once and look how that turned out. By the way 2112 is in my top five favorite albums(the other 4 being, A Farewell to kings, Hemispheres, Power Windows and well they are all so good)
If only Spock didn't have to leave Zarabeth (All Our Yesterdays). That was a beautiful relationship cut short. She, to face a life of loneliness, and, he to resume his duty on the Enterprise. It was a story with a tragic end, much like KIrk's love story in "The City on the Edge of Forever".
Stonn: Was I just Spock-blocked? T'Pring: Logically, he refused to be what was known on Earth as a "cuckold." T'Pau: That half human half Vulcan got better game than his Captain!
Indeed. Arlene Martel and Leonard Nimoy died within 6 months of each other. Lawrence Montagne died in 2017. According to Wikipedia: "Born in New York, but later raised in Rome, Italy, Montaigne spoke several languages - a skill he used to his advantage in securing roles in international productions. He served in the United States Marine Corps and was only one platoon apart in the Parris Island boot camp from his future friend Steve McQueen."
They could group meld all day night! How many would be human and how many would be Vulcan? It's community experience sharing not necessary to scientific inquiry.
Like so many episodes, this scene illustrates that Vulcans are just as cunning, conniving, and aspirational as the 'emotional' species of creation. They just rationalize it as an efficient formula that need not be a secret. This gives the 'impression' of dispassion and reason, when it is merely a 'style' of 'unethicalness', naked ambition, and cultural corruption. Just as an array of emotions are ultimately just a 'style' for the same -- but 'not' its cause.
True. In The Enterprise Incident Spock plays the female Romulan commander to obtain their invisibility mechanism. And on the more benevolent side, Spock was willing to face the death penalty to do the rational thing and bring Captain Pike to Talos IV. And he rationalized compassion to plan the whole operation in a way that it would protect everyone else on the Enterprise from the death penalty.
@@MarvinFalz - Yes. And to put it concisely, when conclusively accused of lying, he definitively absolved himself by saying ‘I exaggerated’. (One of theeee best lines from Star Trek period)
Yeah, Spock is basically stating that T’Pring is a witch and Stonn will not be happy. Spock has no reason to burn Stonn, Stonn is an idiot who did not do anything.
@@gordondavis6168 He was ready to kill Spock to get at T'Pring. Spock's burn is directly at T'Pring, but indirectly at Stonn because he wanted her so bad.
I have never thougth about that until now, that Spock's problem wasn't his human side per se, but that he was brought up as a Vulcan. Vulcan's aren't natural logicians, they have to learn logic and meditation. They just don't have to deal with emotions, at least not as much as Spock has to.
@@bjugler Yeah, Vulcans had/have strong emotions and nearly killed themselves off long ago. But found a way to channel strong emotion in a more civilized way - into strong self-discipline (or suppression from the Human perspective). The point seemed to be to restrain those impulses, like Kirk saying, "instinct can be fought. We're killers, but we're not going to kill today" (Taste of Armageddon). For the Vulcans, the choice led to training and social pressure not to display much emotion and not to act on impulse in public. With pon farr as the remaining big scary exception. Basically, being composed rather than a hot-head. Spock's human heritage may mean he has weaker emotions overall than a full Vulcan but perhaps also weaker impulse control, perhaps pushing him to try to "over-compensate." Showing "contemporary Vulcans" as having a ritual that rarely - but sometimes - is "to the death" and supposedly lacks *any* negotiated escape hatch is dramatic but not odd. It served to make the Vulcans "look bad," indicating that Spock had probably been over-idealizing the "Vulcan ways." It's likely a prod by Sturgeon to reflect on rigid killer traditions in the US. (As an aside, Amok Time was made before "no-fault divorce" finally took hold in the US in the 1970s; same loosely applies to Women's Lib and Gay Lib, which were building but took off roughly in parallel to Trek going into syndication, 1969/70.) In any case, a fantastic hour of television with plenty to think about. ,
Thank you for posting this scene I remember seeing it when I was very young but could not remember how it went exactly. Many times in my life I personally have found it to be true.
Reminds me of a wedding I went to. It was a colleague who looked like a model. At the wedding I shook the grooms hand and he said tough luck!!! Like we both were competing for her. I never asked her out or anything. The hayesing part was that I bumped into her about 16yrs later and they were divorced!!!! Hahaha Mr. Spaaaaaeeewwwwwkkkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!
It’s simple we desire whatever, build it up in our mind and pursue it. In order to pursue something that is very desirable and often not easy to obtain we need to put it above everything else..this becomes our god if you like and our mind overplays what it will be like when we have it. When we obtain it we put it in the reality part of our brain not the desire part, this cannot re create what we expected thus the disappointment. In addition when we don’t have something it isn’t able to disappoint us that’s why we put it on a pedestal. In a nutshell what is being said is dreams and desire are better than reality and he’s correct.
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"You know what Staun? I think i dodged the bullet on this one after all. I hope she treats you as well as she's treated me. Peace out" -Spock basically
except Spock said it w/more class.
See also mental profanity, because he's still dealing with the fact that as far as he knows he just killed his captain and friend.
Right, enjoy the sociopath.
Alan Jackson said it in a song, "...someone else's problem now!..".
My first girlfriend was like her.
"I see no logic in preferring Stan over me." The greatest burn in all of Star Trek.
"nor I a work of art, madame"
The cut that went deeper than any lirpa blade could ever go. Imagine this lady is telling him to his face that she would keep her lover; that he would be sleeping in Spock's bed, eating his food, and balling his wife while Spock would be somewhere in space. When would Spock finally snap and go crazy knowing all this? He did right by freeing her.
Stonn's ears are creepy even for a Vulcan. They could've at least cast someone decent looking for that role!
In my opinion, the best burn was when Spock told Stonn that wanting is often preferable to having.
@@thomasdonlin5456 Yes! It was such a crafty way! Allen Jackson wrote a song, "She's someone else's problem now"!
Spock executes the first ever mic drop.
It's 300 years in the future
Mic-y Spock!
Just like Discovery!
@@alexxbaudwhyn7572 Hush yo mouth!
@@rascallyrabbit717 and yet still the first. it is not logical ...
He actually did TWO of them.
When T'Pau says, "Live Long and Prosper, Spock." He says, "I shall do neither!" THAT was NOT the customary reply to the farewell greeting!
"Congratulations, Stonn: you've won yourself a cold-hearted bitch that will do horrible things to you the minute she's bored."
Jumping to conclusion. They like each others mutually.
@@sammas2959 - but, "having is not so pleasing a thing as wanting". I think I read that in a fortune cookie.
💯Yes a manipulative lil thing !!
I'm just wild about Harry!
Gonna go back to the Enterprise, Chappell is there
‘Explain.’ ‘Specify.’ Always has been one of the best, shortest exchanges in television history. Priceless.
Translation-
Man: "WTF Is going on?"
Woman: "I don't know what you're talking about!" (as if she doesnt)
They call that being ‘pithty’. A lost art these days...unfortunately.
I liked it too.
"Explain" = "B*tch...you got some 'splainin to do!"
:"Specificy" = "To your drunk a$$? Who knows what the f*ck you runnin' your mouth about."
One of the best exchanges in STOS.
"It's better to want a woman you can't have than to have a woman you don't want."
- Denny Crane, "Boston Legal"
Did William Shatner play Denny Crane? Because if he did.....
@@warrenny He did indeed.
“Denny Crane.”
Denny Crane was still old Captain Kirk
So was T.J. Hooker 😀
Like most people, I’ve been through both of these scenarios, and neither is something I ever want to go through again. But yeah, if I had to choose one, then I would go with Denny Crane’s pick.
The burn of all burns, and Spock's way of warning Stonn that he is going to really regret being with T'Pring.
@Elle Dee He can still get out of it. All he has to do is say to the next guy "She's all yours dude" and then make himself scarce.
I swore that I would love you to the end of time!
So now I'm praying for the end of time
To hurry up and arrive
'Cause if I gotta spend another minute with you
I don't think that I can really survive
I'll never break my promise or forget my vow
But God only knows what I can do right now
I'm praying for the end of time
It's all that I can do
Praying for the end of time,
So I can end my time with you
Meatloaf
"Ston, all I have to say, is watch your back , and beware." T' Pring. The Green blooded Vulcan Bitch. Dr. Leonard McCoy. expert on judging Vulcans.
@@Cola64 It was long ago, and it was far away, and it was so much better than it is today.... :)
Frankly, T'Pring is one manipulative woman. Why couldn't she have simply said...hey Spock...yeah you know that thing where we were 5 yrs old and mind-link committed to marry each other? Yeah...I'm not feeling that anymore...cuz you're this famous Vulcan who joined Star Fleet and I'm not into being your keep the home fires burning broad. Nah...instead she pitted Spock against his OWN captain and his best friend...in FIGHT TO THE DEATH. So either Kirk dies or Spock dies.
Spock went easy on her with that burn.
Never really thought about it until Spock said it... but it IS often true.
It is. I suspect that his point is especially true about her. So he gave the guy fair warming about what he's in for.
Since their minds were locked together wanting has nothing to do with it.
Actually, it is Logical, and it is always true, even in solid marriages.
@@russell5078084
Fair warming ? really ?
😳
I thought of my beloved wife when I watched this segment. We spent 56 years together before I lost her to cancer last year. In my case, the wanting never stopped and the having was my life's blessing. Still can't believe she's gone.
I'm sorry for your loss.
Condolences for your loss
My condolences. You have been truly blessed.
That's beautiful, and beautiful that you keep the memory of it alive. Rock on.
You, sir, are the man.
That is Spock’s very polite way of telling Stonn that T’Pring is a bit&h and that Stonn will be unhappy with her.
Yep
Stonn gets Uhura in the end
In a fan film
@@BeyondDaX yes, but it was nichelle and the stonn actor, and many pro actors involved, so I call canon 😊
Of God's and Men fan film, Alan Ruck too
“But he did not understand the price. Mortals never do. They only see the prize, their heart's desire, their dream... But the price of getting what you want, is getting what you once wanted.” - Neil Gaiman
"Having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting" is indeed logical.
When your desire defines your expectations of a woman, you set yourself up for disappointment. The real woman will always be different from your fantasy idea of that woman.
Now THAT is logical
I have been guilty of this, and later understood that my own expectations were at fault, not the woman herself.
Took me a couple of failed turns to learn that lesson.
We all learn a valuable lesson
I never really noticed this before , but this was some really good acting by Nimoy. He put on the stern stoic expression while tilting his head ever so slightly. It sounds trivial and easy to do, but it’s not.
Seriously, it’s very subtle acting done extremely well.
Everywhere there is a universal truth. No matter how perfect she is, there is a man that was tired of putting up with her crap.
T'Pring eye makeup and eyebrows are just stunning.
Window dressing.
I remember watching this episode as a kid. As I grew into adulthood, I realized that truer words have never been spoken.
Having often brings disappointment.
Taking a woman from another man is a hallow victory. For if she was willing to go to such great lengths to switch, it means shes willing to do it again, once she gets bored of you.
Wise words. The same goes for a woman with emotional problems. When she enters a phase of instability and leaves you because of it, then it's likely she will leave you again, unless she solves the problem. And especially when you love that woman dearly, such a relationship will wear you down.
No one ever cheats just once.
I had several girlfriends of friends hit on me. Nope. Bros befoh...
"Stonn, she isn't yours. It's just your turn."
Yeah, but did you see how much bigger Stonn's ears were than Spock's? You know what that means, right?😂
Ston buddy, what are you thinking? Run baby run!
RIP Leonard Nimoy (Spock) (1931-2015)
RIP Arlene Martel (T'Pring) (1936-2014)
RIP Lawrence Montaigne (Stonn) (1931-2017)
irreplacable.
Great performances by all three! RIP!
"Having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting." Spock's observations about emotion had such insight. This was perhaps the most enlightening expression ever spoken in any Star Trek episode. And yet, so logical.
But he's so right. The Chase is always better than the Capture
I've always remembered that line from this episode as a sort of a mantra for my whole life in most aspects of my life, not just in relationships.
In the words of a song by Motorhead, The Chase Is Better Than The Catch, that can certainly apply here.
The victory of dopamine over oxytocin.
He's also reminding Stonn that he isn't being logical at all this entire time. Bad look for a Vulcan,
🤔 So many of the original shows touched on life lessons. This is one of the best.
Spock's pearl of wisdom is as perfect as it is timeless.
ICONIC SPOCK: After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as wanting. it is not logical but it is often true.
One of the BEST scenes EVER in all of the Star Trek Canon.
A lot of wisdom in this small clip.
I agree.
explain.
@@jv-lk7bc Specify
I have referred to these lines in my life a few times...They are so true..Theodore Sturgeon, the great Sci -Fi author who penned this episode was spot on in his script.
Sturgeon was a great writer and wrote one of my other favorite episodes, "Shore Leave".
Be careful what you wish for bro .
~Spock
I watched this episode over 20 years ago and now I finally understand that Spock was basically warning Stonn that he will NOT be happy with her
"Stonn, she isn't yours. It's just your turn."
SPOCK issuing the burn at 1:28 is priceless, and Stonn receiving it at 1:40 both flawlessly logical.
I always remember the look on Stonn's face at 1:41, that look of..."Hmmm, maybe I haven't thought this through".
Awesome acting here from all involved. You completely suspend your disbelief - these are aliens with an alien culture on an alien world. No cgi, minimal makeup. Just acting. Great stuff.
Aliens, who are different and still similar to humans and human culture. I wish they'd go back to this simpler way of doing film and Television.
I've always thought that despite this series taking place in the 60s, these old school simple sets and makeup still make me believe that this is a feasible future. Star Trek TOS frankly holds up better than a lot of sci-fi in the subsequent decades.
Spock is literally so smart I know it's obvious but he is amazing
Great dialogue
Growing up with the Original series has been, quite literally, one of the guiding forces throughout my entire life. It has certainly helped me cope with all the evil that humanity is capable of, especially today's. I can honestly say, at 60 years of age, that I am glad that we, as a species, only live for a few, short decades. Living longer than that, would, in my opinion, drive any rational mind insane. Humanity is not designed for greatness....just a few small glimpses of it. We, unfortunately, will not "Live Long and Prosper"....We are not designed for it.
We are capable of much, Good or ill.
I only wish that infighting and subversion were not such dominant traits as compared to “live and let live” or mutual cooperation for pragmatic reasons.
Still, in our own ways we live, we strive, we prosper.
@@IRMentat ...when I was younger, I would see older people, in parks, at the mall and at other gatherings. They were just looking, watching. Most times they didn't look happy. Then, I thought it was because they were jealous of our youth. I think I know better now. Star Trek gave me hope, which I'm grateful for, that we could and would achieve great things. That we would evolve beyond what we were then. Unfortunately, today, I believe otherwise. The years may change, our knowledge of things may change, but, humanity is and will continue to be the same. We are, after all, basically animals. We are so easily prompted into letting go of civilized behavior. And the humans who so easily are willing to use our basic instincts against us. I don't believe that if a person was frozen and brought back to life, even after just 50 years, would be able to survive. I believe that the shock of what has transpired during that time would be to much to assimilate and adjust to. For me, Star Trek has become too much of a reminder of what we are not, and will not be. I now also understand why it seems as if so many old people seem to be living in their own little worlds...and get angry when reality intrudes. For me, I go to work, work hard and come home and, with dinner, watch what, in the end, is just a really great, positive fantasy about humanity...if it wasn't humanity. I know I should have kept these thoughts to myself. It's possible some young person could read them and trash any illusions they may have about the future. But, there is always the possibility that I could be wrong....I am humanity. Thanks for your thoughts. 🖖🙂
Just like in Star Trek. Nothing short of alien intervention is gonna help humanity evolve as a species.
You have it exactly.... backwards. We ARE, in fact, designed for it. We are a spirit, we have a soul, and we live in a body. When we die, our spirit remains. At the return of Jesus, we will all be resurrected in bodily form once again. Those who have a relationship with Him in this world, will exist in Heaven for eternity. Those without a relationship with Him will exist in Hell for eternity. But we will live long. Whether we prosper or not is determined by where we go, which is determined by what we chose in this life.
Pass on what you have learned, it's the human way
Easily the most savage burn in TV history
It's fact. In life, the wanting is not the same as the having. I learned the hard way. 😢
T'Pring "If your captain were victor, he would not want me."
Spock: "Ummm.. about that..."
if it's female with two legs ...
My favorite scene next to Spock breaking down for a moment when he saw Kirk was still alive. It's funny how his Vulcan logic applies even today in everyday desire. R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy...you are truly missed.
Spock❤️ love this dialogue...very logical
That was just one of the many life lessons I received from the Star Trek universe.
Brilliant writing; just brilliant. RIP, Leonard.
This is probably the most insightful piece of advice Spock ever gave in the series.
Spocks way of saying, "the grass isn't always greener on the other side knucklehead"...
"The obsessions in the chasing, and not the apprehending. The pursuit, you see, and never the arrest." Tom Waits - Foreign Affairs
I never thought about how T'Pring's whole speech is really just a long-winded way of sying "I don't want to marry you. You're not here, and I don't want to go with you to your ship."
True. She just says it the Vulcan way.
Try reading the book Spock's World. It ties into this ending gloriously, and leaves Spock in one scene not even able to finish a sentence due to disgust.
These space @#$ ain't loyal...
This was added by DC Fontana and makes no sense.Not an ending Sturgeon would write.
She did not want to be the consort of a "legend". Translation: SHE wears the pants in her family. She wanted Stonn because she knew she could control Stonn.
Spock: Humans have a proverb: "One can not have their cake and eat it too."
T'pring: That is illogical. Why should one invest in a cake, to not eat it?
Bones: *whispers. Looks like someone left the cake out in the rain Jim.
Kirk: Hush Bones!
Spock: It does not rain on Vulcan, Doctor. The cake will stay here, uneaten as a symbol of boastfulness and wealth. It is wanting but not having.
Tpring: You dare compare me to a cake?
Spock: A confection of no nutritional value. A thing of beauty but little intrinsic worth.
Tpring: That is not logical - you are not logical. I shall bring forth many small cakes in your image. Every seven years. Am I not worth the investment?
Spock: In your case Tpring you are not.
Tpring: Ooh! Your statement is not logical. I am beautiful, logical, wealthy, intelligent, titled and fertile.
Spock: But not friendly.
Tpring: But how illogical! How disgustingly --human.
Spock: Friendship among all things keeps us alive. Otherwise, we merely exist. We become amoebas.
Tpring: Now you call me .an amoeba! First a cake and then an amoeba. You have forgotten what it means to be a Vulcan, Spock.
Spock: That is something I have never been allowed to forget, Tpring.
Tpring: Then go. Leave us amoebas to our cakes. You are most illogical.
Spock: For this I thank you. Live long and prosper.
Tpring: Fuck off. *stomps off.
Spock: Fascinating.
Kirk: Hey hey hey Spock, go after her! She's a knockout. What a woman!
Spock: Captain. Jim... please do not get involved. I know who and what it is that I désire. And it is not Tpring
Kirk: You? You desire? How human.
Spock: No Captain. It is quite Vulcan. The seven year itch has been in our blood for 70,000 years. It is logical and orderly. You humans would copulate every day if you could.
Kirk: Indeed we would. Oh come on Spock, let's go home. You need a good Kringolian corlymphatic full body massage.
Bones: And a bowl of hot plomeck soup.
Spock: With friends like you, who needs Amok Time?
So true. It’s like a boat. You’re happy to get one and happier to get rid of it. All pleasure is in the mind.
"A boat is a hole in the water into which you pour money". The same could also be said of a wife, except not in the water.
Damn, Spock applied the burn!
as only Spock could ..
The coolest and most crafty burn ever!
They didn't know how true that quote would be in this day and age....
Absolutely true.
Your idea can never be a match
with your experience.
One of the greatest quotes of our time ,delivered by the great Leonard Nimoy!
So gorgeous.
High five to Spock for slaying this right to this chick's face without even moving a muscle on his face. Not even his eyebrows for what he is known for
Spock, serving the dish cold...
Spock (in Khan impression): "Stawn, Do you know the Klingon proverb that revenge is a dish best served cold? Well, this is one cold bitch!"
Vulcan logic without Vulcan ethics, T'Pring was cold , and Spock's best line
you can't always have what you want but you can usually get what you need
How does it feel when Mick Jagger slaps you?
spock was my idol and still is
Ted Sturgeon wrote a KILLER script for this episode ... and the scene recorded here is but just one part of that brilliance.
Really lost in a lot of people's memories is the difficult decision Kirk made to violate a direct order in order to save Spock. In later iterations the chain of command is so diluted that disobeying orders is nothing big, but in TOS it was a strict military chain. Kirk only violated orders twice here and once in the movies then for that to all backfire? Great writing indeed
"‘Life is a progress from want to want, not from enjoyment to enjoyment." - Samuel Johnson.
Ooohhh, burn! The most logical burn of ALL TIME!! 🖖😜
A rather emotionally driven people, these Vulcans, aren't they?
Yes, and the children, whose parents both were Vulcan, pretty much hated Spock for having a mother from another planet.
Man do I miss the kind of writing we used to get on great shows like this!
My younger self never really absorbed this. Not until my late 40s really.
With age comes experience as well as wisdom
That's the mantra of many happy singles 🖖
one of the most profound things ever said on TV. Be careful what you pray for Stann old man.
Oooooooo, that was a burn hotter than Vulcan’s sun!!!
That's a cold burn.
And she deserved it. Spock's way of saying, "You can have her, but the bitch ain't worth it."
cold but 100% deserved.
@@jv-lk7bc - Yep.
This is so well-scripted. This entire scene from start to finish. An excellent episode. Wish all of them were as good as this one.
Yep. A great episode that expanded what we know about Spock and Vulcan. And it did it with a twist about Vulcan mating habits that we all take for granted now as part of Trek canon.
Mister Spock speaks the truth. Indeed it is not logical that having will not always satisfy the want of something. After learning this, I found that I question what I want a lot more. Often, I simply deny myself a want because I come to conclude that having what I want will likely not give me satisfaction.
The best Spock quote!
This has been one of my favorite sayings since the 70s.
It's right up there with, "The very young do not always do as they are told" ... SG -1.
Her logic was flawed. There was no humanoid woman Captain Kirk did not want.
She was speaking about Kirk wanting her as his wife.
@@Stogie2112 Yep, Kirk would not want any wife. He tried that once and look how that turned out. By the way 2112 is in my top five favorite albums(the other 4 being, A Farewell to kings, Hemispheres, Power Windows and well they are all so good)
Kirk would have been all over that vulcan biatch
My bet is that Kirk has paid out more child support than any other Starfleet officer in history.
Even logic must give way to the power of boners.
If only Spock didn't have to leave Zarabeth (All Our Yesterdays). That was a beautiful relationship cut short. She, to face a life of loneliness, and, he to resume his duty on the Enterprise. It was a story with a tragic end, much like KIrk's love story in "The City on the Edge of Forever".
That was hardly a relationship. It consisted of a roll on the furs.
She didn't stay lonely for long- there is a novel where she bores Spock's son
Stonn: Was I just Spock-blocked?
T'Pring: Logically, he refused to be what was known on Earth as a "cuckold."
T'Pau: That half human half Vulcan got better game than his Captain!
Big shout out to the actor playing Ston. Portrays that whole "for what we are about to receive" vibe like a champ.
"And I need you more than want you. And I want you for all time" - Wicheta Lineman Glen Campbell.
Phasers on . . . Stonn
Ive used that quote thru the decades.
IMDb and Wikipedia has the character names as T’Pring played by Arlene Martel and Stonn played by Lawrence Montaigne.
Indeed. Arlene Martel and Leonard Nimoy died within 6 months of each other. Lawrence Montagne died in 2017.
According to Wikipedia: "Born in New York, but later raised in Rome, Italy, Montaigne spoke several languages - a skill he used to his advantage in securing roles in international productions. He served in the United States Marine Corps and was only one platoon apart in the Parris Island boot camp from his future friend Steve McQueen."
"If Captain Kirk _did_ want me, he seems like he'd be down for group situations. And we would have Stonn." 🖖
those groovy Vulcans!
They could group meld all day night! How many would be human and how many would be Vulcan? It's community experience sharing not necessary to scientific inquiry.
@@EdiaStanfordBruce I really don't understand your last line there, I'm sorry hehe
ULTIMATELY, FLAWLESSLY: LOGICAL 🖖
May all have: An Extended and Fruitful Existence 🖖
Like so many episodes, this scene illustrates that Vulcans are just as cunning, conniving, and aspirational as the 'emotional' species of creation. They just rationalize it as an efficient formula that need not be a secret. This gives the 'impression' of dispassion and reason, when it is merely a 'style' of 'unethicalness', naked ambition, and cultural corruption. Just as an array of emotions are ultimately just a 'style' for the same -- but 'not' its cause.
True. In The Enterprise Incident Spock plays the female Romulan commander to obtain their invisibility mechanism. And on the more benevolent side, Spock was willing to face the death penalty to do the rational thing and bring Captain Pike to Talos IV. And he rationalized compassion to plan the whole operation in a way that it would protect everyone else on the Enterprise from the death penalty.
@@MarvinFalz - Yes. And to put it concisely, when conclusively accused of lying, he definitively absolved himself by saying ‘I exaggerated’. (One of theeee best lines from Star Trek period)
That's Spock for better you than me in so many words.
when I first saw this I thought "if thats how Vulcan women look no wonder they go through pon faar"
Reminds me when someone said "misery loves company" to being dumped for another.
This is basically Spock flipping the bird to T'Pring and Stonn.
I felt it was more of a warning to Stonn and a flipping of the bird to T'Pring.
Yeah, Spock is basically stating that T’Pring is a witch and Stonn will not be happy. Spock has no reason to burn Stonn, Stonn is an idiot who did not do anything.
@@gordondavis6168 He was ready to kill Spock to get at T'Pring. Spock's burn is directly at T'Pring, but indirectly at Stonn because he wanted her so bad.
They're both creeps. They deserve each other.
BOOM. Spock with the smack down.
Pleasing? That borders on feelings and emotion.
I have never thougth about that until now, that Spock's problem wasn't his human side per se, but that he was brought up as a Vulcan. Vulcan's aren't natural logicians, they have to learn logic and meditation. They just don't have to deal with emotions, at least not as much as Spock has to.
There is no emotion in being pleased (not pleasure) or satisfied (not satisfaction, just acceptance/acceptable)
I'm not sure how suppression of emotion would lead to an absence of any form of desire.
@@bjugler Yeah, Vulcans had/have strong emotions and nearly killed themselves off long ago. But found a way to channel strong emotion in a more civilized way - into strong self-discipline (or suppression from the Human perspective).
The point seemed to be to restrain those impulses, like Kirk saying, "instinct can be fought. We're killers, but we're not going to kill today" (Taste of Armageddon). For the Vulcans, the choice led to training and social pressure not to display much emotion and not to act on impulse in public. With pon farr as the remaining big scary exception. Basically, being composed rather than a hot-head. Spock's human heritage may mean he has weaker emotions overall than a full Vulcan but perhaps also weaker impulse control, perhaps pushing him to try to "over-compensate."
Showing "contemporary Vulcans" as having a ritual that rarely - but sometimes - is "to the death" and supposedly lacks *any* negotiated escape hatch is dramatic but not odd. It served to make the Vulcans "look bad," indicating that Spock had probably been over-idealizing the "Vulcan ways." It's likely a prod by Sturgeon to reflect on rigid killer traditions in the US. (As an aside, Amok Time was made before "no-fault divorce" finally took hold in the US in the 1970s; same loosely applies to Women's Lib and Gay Lib, which were building but took off roughly in parallel to Trek going into syndication, 1969/70.)
In any case, a fantastic hour of television with plenty to think about. ,
Thank you for posting this scene I remember seeing it when I was very young but could not remember how it went exactly. Many times in my life I personally have found it to be true.
Probably the best breakup scene of all time.
I have to remind myself of this all the time.
Spock is like well eff you. I a bloody legend. You are not worthy to carry the name Spock.
In the book Spock’s World,Stonn tragically understood Spock’s warnings!(too much Venus Drug and Viagra combo with Romulan ale chaser)
Reminds me of a wedding I went to. It was a colleague who looked like a model. At the wedding I shook the grooms hand and he said tough luck!!! Like we both were competing for her. I never asked her out or anything. The hayesing part was that I bumped into her about 16yrs later and they were divorced!!!! Hahaha Mr. Spaaaaaeeewwwwwkkkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!
It’s simple we desire whatever, build it up in our mind and pursue it. In order to pursue something that is very desirable and often not easy to obtain we need to put it above everything else..this becomes our god if you like and our mind overplays what it will be like when we have it. When we obtain it we put it in the reality part of our brain not the desire part, this cannot re create what we expected thus the disappointment. In addition when we don’t have something it isn’t able to disappoint us that’s why we put it on a pedestal. In a nutshell what is being said is dreams and desire are better than reality and he’s correct.
Spock’s warning to Stan is hilarious. He is actually saying “Dude you just bought yourself one conniving devious witch. Good luck fool”
She made him kill his best friend to achieve her ends... How can any sane man desire such a soulless bitch?!?
The best lines in TOS
After watching Strange New Worlds, I feel bad Spock. Chapel gets engaged to Roger Corby, T’Pring rejects Spock for Ston, leaving Spock alone.
Spock has Kirk, and he has Bones.
Kirk literally fought everything to get Spock back. Find you someone who would do that for you.
In the Star trek novel "The IDIC Epidemic" Stonn dies under mysterious circumstances and she's involved in an insurrection on Vulcan.
She's also involved in the novel Spock's World.
Earth terms ‘ Pre Nup’
Stonn's expression when he realizes that he's caught a sehlat by the tail is an underrated bit of acting.