As a car enthusiast, it feels almost criminal the way that Toyota let the Celica die. Because it's cancelation marked the beginning of the end for Toyotas long history of producing quality sports, and sporty, cars. And places the Celica as possibly the last new, great, and innovative design they ever produced. Which is a shame, given that much of the greatness and recognition Toyota is known for, remarks back directly to the Celica. Particularly the Supra, the Camry, and even the SW22 MR2, which used it's 3SGE/GTE drivetrain and chassis components. But, it wasn't meant to be... After all of the issues with warranty repair on the original 2ZZ engines the new Celica launched with, due to people over revving them to keep them on the higher cam between shifts, Toyota added that terrible soft RPM rev cut to the engine in later models. This thoroughly gutted it's performance, and dropping nearly a full second on it's 0-60 times. This change cut down on the number of warranty repairs for sure, but mostly by virtue of decreased sales, not improved reliability. As enthusiasts simply walked away to other brands, as the sport compact scene heated up in the early 2000s. And then because of those low sales, they eventually canned the GT-S model altogether. Not deterred by this, Toyota felt that the best way forward was to get the "sporty" crowd to buy their base model GT...after all, it had the same engine as the MR2 Spyder, and that was a real sports car. Ugh... And what better way to make the GT sporty, than to double back tape some garish body kits on to it (which by now we're mostly sold as automatics), and call it "sport tuned styling". Of course no GT-S lover is that stupid, and they never fell for it, affectionately calling the TRD body cladding "TuRD kits". Because no one was going to buy a GT, and then pay the GT-S level premium, for an ugly looking car that couldn't go fast, and possibly even slower because of the weight and drag. After that sales failure, the car was eventually discontinued, and that was that. Unfortunately, right along with it went any other good sporty car that Toyota ever made. They even canned the Matrix, which still had the old 2ZZ power train, complete with the 6 speed manual, living on as the representative of the Celica, despite being it's fat GM built bastard cousin. But even that was too much fun for the Prius Brigade, and it too had to die, sacrificed on the alter of Camrys and Corollas, before their Prius elder gods. It's nice to see Toyota coming back to their roots and making a new Supra, and channeling their inner tofu merchant in the Sub...I mean...GT-86. But it would be even nicer if they would stop re-panelling decades old chassis designs, crammed with more emissions crap and cup holders in them, and stopped borrowed/shared design platforms with Subaru and BMW, and actually turn back to the sports car technology powerhouse they where, making new ground breaking designs in house, that we're truly Toyotas. Probably never happen, but I can hope and dream. The Celica is dead...long live the Celica.
As a previous owner of an '82, '83 and current own of an '03 GTS, this is sort of a punch in the gut. However, I enjoy this guy's vids as well as reading your comment above. Thanks for taking the time to break all that down.
I am a 2013 Mustang GT driver who agrees 100 if not 200 percent with this statement. How in the hell did they not do an 8th generation and give it a really god run? I hope this car comes back. It was the original Japanese badass.Still is.
reason people hate 7th gen is that it has garbage engine. It isnt reliable, which Toyota was and is known for. It does look decent, Beauty is in the hand of the beholder, but I wouldnt say its a good looking car for me at least. It doesnt have cool story behind it, and its probably biggest reason Celica was killed of
@@gansior4744 What are you on about, the 2ZZ (gts) doesn't burn oil and it's the same engine used in the freakin' Lotus Elise. As for reliability, I haven't heard much negative. I see the 7th gen with sky high miles all the time.
I have a 1991 Celica 5gen 2.0Gti 16v. 28 years old yet it still hits 60mph in 8secs dead. 40 to 60 in 4 secs and 30 to 70 in 7.8 secs. And it sticks to the road like a snail. Such an underrated car because of its turbo 4x4 big brother.
Have an 88' Supra and I liked it so much that I picked up an 01' GT-S as my new daily recently. Pretty amazing car and I've never been in one that revved like she does.
I bought a 1981 Celica GT Coupe 5-speed in 1985 when I was in high school. I drove it to the limit and beat the hell out of that car for about 8 or 9 years before I finally sold it to get something newer. I regret that to this day. I have never loved the car as much as I loved that Celica. If I ever came across the same model that has been well-loved with reasonable miles I would pay pretty much anything for it today.
I really love the second generation (1978-1981) Toyota Celica, because it reminds me of other cars from that time (Ford Mustang II, Chevrolet Monza, Buick Skyhawk, Oldsmobile Starfire, Pontiac Sunbird)!
The funny thing is, me and my teacher were talking a few months back about how the new Camry just looked way too sporty and how cool it'd be to see a 2+2 Coupe version dubbed the "Camry Celica", but I had no idea that the Camry was originally derived from the Celica. It'd be a cool return to form if that unlikely event happened.
Thanks man. You are one of the better RUclipsrs out there that actually listen to your fans and try to meet their expectations. I rev my engine to you🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
New Supra tests are out and looks like you were spot on the money for specs back in your speculation video goes to show your rnd is well on point witch is why I love your channel 👍
The main reason the 7th gen failed is because the MR2 spyder ate the sales and vice versa. Honestly they should have killed the Celica and gone all the way with the MR2 with a 2ZZ GT-S option. The MR2 could compete with lotus elise and other sports cars in that era.
Last mr2 didnt sell for shit. Kind of a disappointment after the sw20 turbo car, last gen had no balls. Celica still had speed with the GTS but it was no all trac or GT4 thats for sure
The 7th gen is faster than the 5th gen GT4 and 4th gen All Tracc, only 6th gen is faster from a dig, but even on corners 7th gen does better, i have a GT4 6Th gen, a 1st gen and a 7th gen, believe me, the 7th gen mine is the european t-sport and it handles better
3sgte puts down more power stock for stock only limiting factor i could see is the weight of the awd but even then all tracs arent heavy. 3sgte can be turned up to 10 with just bolt ons and a simple tune. 7th gens are no slouch and they do handle well id take one over an rsx
I own a 1979 Celica Supra until thieves stolen my car mess up with engine throw at the farm in Fresno, Cali. I like celica supra pretty much. Wish Toyota continues making Celica again.
Awesome celica is an under rated car there are many different trims I have a 6th gen celica with a 5sfe and a gt4 spoiler and body kit that I love it looks fast but no one needs to know it's the most reliable engine ever 5sfe could also be turned into a 5sgte with a 3sge head there's many ways to mod a celica!!!
I own the 20th anniversary celica GT-R, this came with 4 wheel steer and active suspension. Did you have any information on these? they are quite rare like the GT4 RC with only 5,000 made also.
Your content is super great glad I found it. Dont even remember how long ago I sub...when your channel gets bigger let me know if you need help lol I'm fairly local to you haha. Keep up the work.
There was an All-trac for sale near me and i seriously considered selling an organ to pay for it. It's a shame the Celica has such a pedigree only to turn into the disaster of its final generation. But that's the car market in general. Affordable performance is disappearing. On another note, I keep thinking of what cars would be neat to see a video on and got to thinking on how videos on the histories of popular engines and even less popular but sill great ones might be received on your channel. Keep up the good content!
Thoughts from an old fart... I've had Corvettes, MGB's, an old opal, 240Z and now a 370Z (which I love) but man the fun I had my senior year of high school in 1977 driving a silver silica GT liftback...
Not exactly true. It might've lowered it's figures in the US but it was already declining in everywhere else and there wasnt really any demand for it. Also in US it was at that time that everyone was ditching their sports cars and were looking for something more economical.
@@MidshipRunabout2 true. But the final blow was the Tc. Ironic that celicas before were camry based. The last celica was corolla based. And the Tc was what the celica should of been. Camry engine and all.
As a car enthusiast, it feels almost criminal the way that Toyota let the Celica die. Because it's cancelation marked the beginning of the end for Toyotas long history of producing quality sports, and sporty, cars. And places the Celica as possibly the last new, great, and innovative design they ever produced. Which is a shame, given that much of the greatness and recognition Toyota is known for, remarks back directly to the Celica. Particularly the Supra, the Camry, and even the SW22 MR2, which used it's 3SGE/GTE drivetrain and chassis components. But, it wasn't meant to be...
After all of the issues with warranty repair on the original 2ZZ engines the new Celica launched with, due to people over revving them to keep them on the higher cam between shifts, Toyota added that terrible soft RPM rev cut to the engine in later models. This thoroughly gutted it's performance, and dropping nearly a full second on it's 0-60 times. This change cut down on the number of warranty repairs for sure, but mostly by virtue of decreased sales, not improved reliability. As enthusiasts simply walked away to other brands, as the sport compact scene heated up in the early 2000s. And then because of those low sales, they eventually canned the GT-S model altogether.
Not deterred by this, Toyota felt that the best way forward was to get the "sporty" crowd to buy their base model GT...after all, it had the same engine as the MR2 Spyder, and that was a real sports car. Ugh... And what better way to make the GT sporty, than to double back tape some garish body kits on to it (which by now we're mostly sold as automatics), and call it "sport tuned styling". Of course no GT-S lover is that stupid, and they never fell for it, affectionately calling the TRD body cladding "TuRD kits". Because no one was going to buy a GT, and then pay the GT-S level premium, for an ugly looking car that couldn't go fast, and possibly even slower because of the weight and drag. After that sales failure, the car was eventually discontinued, and that was that.
Unfortunately, right along with it went any other good sporty car that Toyota ever made. They even canned the Matrix, which still had the old 2ZZ power train, complete with the 6 speed manual, living on as the representative of the Celica, despite being it's fat GM built bastard cousin. But even that was too much fun for the Prius Brigade, and it too had to die, sacrificed on the alter of Camrys and Corollas, before their Prius elder gods.
It's nice to see Toyota coming back to their roots and making a new Supra, and channeling their inner tofu merchant in the Sub...I mean...GT-86. But it would be even nicer if they would stop re-panelling decades old chassis designs, crammed with more emissions crap and cup holders in them, and stopped borrowed/shared design platforms with Subaru and BMW, and actually turn back to the sports car technology powerhouse they where, making new ground breaking designs in house, that we're truly Toyotas. Probably never happen, but I can hope and dream.
The Celica is dead...long live the Celica.
U nailed it. 2zz was flawed while 3sge was solid
bigbuckoramma i want the fifth generation celica
LazyGeekgamer HD is dead channe
That's a great generation, I have the GT-S and I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world
As a previous owner of an '82, '83 and current own of an '03 GTS, this is sort of a punch in the gut. However, I enjoy this guy's vids as well as reading your comment above. Thanks for taking the time to break all that down.
Celica is coming back 2023
Even though everyone hates the 7th gen, i personally like the underdog. Bought it as my first car and never looked back.
I am a 2013 Mustang GT driver who agrees 100 if not 200 percent with this statement. How in the hell did they not do an 8th generation and give it a really god run? I hope this car comes back. It was the original Japanese badass.Still is.
reason people hate 7th gen is that it has garbage engine. It isnt reliable, which Toyota was and is known for. It does look decent, Beauty is in the hand of the beholder, but I wouldnt say its a good looking car for me at least. It doesnt have cool story behind it, and its probably biggest reason Celica was killed of
@@gansior4744 What are you on about, the 2ZZ (gts) doesn't burn oil and it's the same engine used in the freakin' Lotus Elise.
As for reliability, I haven't heard much negative. I see the 7th gen with sky high miles all the time.
The Celica was/still is, a class car and is almost iconic in some respects. Seriously underrated.
one of the best car i have own is my 94 GT4 got it this year from japan and its spotless with only 40,000 miles it was a long long hunt to find
I have a 1991 Celica 5gen 2.0Gti 16v. 28 years old yet it still hits 60mph in 8secs dead. 40 to 60 in 4 secs and 30 to 70 in 7.8 secs. And it sticks to the road like a snail. Such an underrated car because of its turbo 4x4 big brother.
Have an 88' Supra and I liked it so much that I picked up an 01' GT-S as my new daily recently. Pretty amazing car and I've never been in one that revved like she does.
Toyota NEEDS to bring back the all trac turbo with a 6pd manual!
Go buy a Subaru STi or a Ford RS,
@@SANYUR those weighed 500 pounds more
How do you still have 31k subs? Your content is worth 500k subs
I bought a 1981 Celica GT Coupe 5-speed in 1985 when I was in high school. I drove it to the limit and beat the hell out of that car for about 8 or 9 years before I finally sold it to get something newer. I regret that to this day. I have never loved the car as much as I loved that Celica. If I ever came across the same model that has been well-loved with reasonable miles I would pay pretty much anything for it today.
Feels awesome to have seen the channel grow since 3k!
My first car was a 94 and I absolutely loved it. I want to get my hands on a GT-Four from that generation and baby it for years to come.
I really love the second generation (1978-1981) Toyota Celica, because it reminds me of other cars from that time (Ford Mustang II, Chevrolet Monza, Buick Skyhawk, Oldsmobile Starfire, Pontiac Sunbird)!
Im happy this car is being talked about again my first car was a 1990 gts it was the best all-rounder ive ever had
I know this video is kind of old, but I’m watching it for the first time. You did an excellent job.
Thanks!
I had a mk2 & 3. I love all generations of the Celica. I only hope that Toyota brings it back. One of my all time favorites.
The funny thing is, me and my teacher were talking a few months back about how the new Camry just looked way too sporty and how cool it'd be to see a 2+2 Coupe version dubbed the "Camry Celica", but I had no idea that the Camry was originally derived from the Celica. It'd be a cool return to form if that unlikely event happened.
As a fan of the Celica, I'm very happy to see you giving tribute to this car. I'm looking forward to get myself a 7th gen Celica in the future
This has got to be one of the best videos on RUclips.
There is so much detail in the 6th gen u missed. Its the best generation. Maybe u can review my SS3 one day. Its the type r direct competition
Toyotas talking about bringing back the mr2, also the celica as an awd coupe im hype
As an 18 year old I just bought a 90 GTS and I dont regret it at all
Great vid thank you, I have a 1997 ST205 GT-Four and its fantastic. Fingers crossed Toyota bring back another GT-Four type Celica.
Thanks man. You are one of the better RUclipsrs out there that actually listen to your fans and try to meet their expectations. I rev my engine to you🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
I hope they do return the Celica but as long they keep it away from BMW..
FINALLY! I’ve been waiting for this lol love the Celica
New Supra tests are out and looks like you were spot on the money for specs back in your speculation video goes to show your rnd is well on point witch is why I love your channel 👍
Great to hear.
Finally a video where the carlos sainz makes appearance thx for noticing it im so happy
5th gen proud owner! We need a new celica all track /gt four
Same here
The main reason the 7th gen failed is because the MR2 spyder ate the sales and vice versa. Honestly they should have killed the Celica and gone all the way with the MR2 with a 2ZZ GT-S option. The MR2 could compete with lotus elise and other sports cars in that era.
No man, not at all, MR2 stopped selling before the celica did
3520xdxd I wonder if lotus and Toyota made a deal to not put the 2zz into the mr2 in order to not have competition with th Elise.
Last mr2 didnt sell for shit. Kind of a disappointment after the sw20 turbo car, last gen had no balls. Celica still had speed with the GTS but it was no all trac or GT4 thats for sure
The 7th gen is faster than the 5th gen GT4 and 4th gen All Tracc, only 6th gen is faster from a dig, but even on corners 7th gen does better, i have a GT4 6Th gen, a 1st gen and a 7th gen, believe me, the 7th gen mine is the european t-sport and it handles better
3sgte puts down more power stock for stock only limiting factor i could see is the weight of the awd but even then all tracs arent heavy. 3sgte can be turned up to 10 with just bolt ons and a simple tune. 7th gens are no slouch and they do handle well id take one over an rsx
Thanks you very much Mr. Gary for listen the fan´s request, great video
I own a 1979 Celica Supra until thieves stolen my car mess up with engine throw at the farm in Fresno, Cali. I like celica supra pretty much. Wish Toyota continues making Celica again.
Dang! That sucks man.
I have a V gen GT-4 with swaped engine from VI gen GT-4. Very grippi and fast car in the corners.
Scotty would love this
My dad own t180 now I want it forgot ae86 and supra that car is perfect for me along with the gt86
Proud owner of an RA65. Long live the Celica.
Nothing short of 350hp/AWD will work now for a Celica return.
Thank you for this upload! Love it!...i requested the Celica history i think a year ago, thank you!!!
I have a first gen Celica. Gonna get it smogged next week
Nice work bro... i own a celica carlos sainz edition 2370/5000... its like driving the ferrari daytona from miami vice pilot :)
Awesome channel! Love the content that was provided. I've learned so much from it.
Gr3at video very informative and I love how you show the facelifts as well :)
Awesome celica is an under rated car there are many different trims I have a 6th gen celica with a 5sfe and a gt4 spoiler and body kit that I love it looks fast but no one needs to know it's the most reliable engine ever 5sfe could also be turned into a 5sgte with a 3sge head there's many ways to mod a celica!!!
mivecturbo 4g63 not on a stock 5s bottom end lol
Been waiting for this video!!!!
Iv an ss3 celica ,love it
Would love to see a new celica gt4, also would like to see a new MR2
Love these videos from you
I just buy my own Toyota celica gt panasonic edition and i love it
Quinta e sexta gerações, minhas preferidas.
The Scotty Kilmer intensifies
awesome cars! Thanks
GT4 FTW!
I own the 20th anniversary celica GT-R, this came with 4 wheel steer and active suspension. Did you have any information on these? they are quite rare like the GT4 RC with only 5,000 made also.
The three brothers are the Toyota Supra, the Celica, and the Toyota MR2.
Love my 7th gen.
awesome i have a 1994 celica to
Thank you man!!!
Your content is super great glad I found it. Dont even remember how long ago I sub...when your channel gets bigger let me know if you need help lol I'm fairly local to you haha. Keep up the work.
There was an All-trac for sale near me and i seriously considered selling an organ to pay for it. It's a shame the Celica has such a pedigree only to turn into the disaster of its final generation. But that's the car market in general. Affordable performance is disappearing.
On another note, I keep thinking of what cars would be neat to see a video on and got to thinking on how videos on the histories of popular engines and even less popular but sill great ones might be received on your channel. Keep up the good content!
I've got an engine one planned 😉
That is awesome! I look forward to it. Seems I can find a ton of car history but engines less so.
Scotty Kilmer approves😂 now don't get me wrong he is right about Toyota and Celica they last a long time.
Missing the 7 gen Philips versión, Tsunami, TRD sports M and the action package...
But still afear video.
Cool info
Celica
Here in germany the gts is called TS and has 192 Horsepower
FINALLY!!!!!
You should do all the group a rally cars mate ,,,, give the yaks some education 😂 on why there is 2.0 turbo 4wd road going cars ,,,
I hope Toyota bring back the celica....please God...I want a new Celica with rear wheel drive...
Just stick a Celica badge on the new Supra and there you have it!
It's the 86
5gen celica was my first car 🙂
Just bought one😁
Wow i got one a 2001 it a cool car
Do a Civic one
"silly car", love the GT4s
I have a 2000 Toyota Celica Gt
Any body know why Toyota decided not to bring the turbo version for the 6th generation .. it's a shame
Bro do one about the Honda Prelude
In the works 😉
@@GTContent thanx tuner brother I will definitely be looking forward to that
Now in 2023 Toyota wants the celica back
Thoughts from an old fart... I've had Corvettes, MGB's, an old opal, 240Z and now a 370Z (which I love) but man the fun I had my senior year of high school in 1977 driving a silver silica GT liftback...
4th gen looks like a lowered roof audi s2 but it came before the s2
The gen7 celica GTS has 2zzge motor not 2zzfe ;)
We always get shafted in the US
Isaac Martinez have you been in other countries to be able to say that? US gets more models and cheaper too!
Hmm...wasn't the scion tc supposed to be the next gen "celica"???
bluestitchd nope. People just see it that way
But what about the beams?🙈
kid, what i want to know is where to import a 205 from canada in the next few years.
Toyota killed the celica themselves. With the scion tc. Which had mkre space torque more amenities and a lower price.
Not exactly true. It might've lowered it's figures in the US but it was already declining in everywhere else and there wasnt really any demand for it. Also in US it was at that time that everyone was ditching their sports cars and were looking for something more economical.
@@MidshipRunabout2 true. But the final blow was the Tc. Ironic that celicas before were camry based. The last celica was corolla based. And the Tc was what the celica should of been. Camry engine and all.
6th Gen is the Best Gen !
Thumbs up if u agree
The Celica turned XYR.
Got a second gen sitting in my driveway🤤😍
First!
Americans pronunciation of celica = Dumb :P . It's also a shame how the style pretty much went down hill after the first one
Thanks you very much Mr. Gary for listen the fan´s request, great video